Undercover RV tech reviews East to West Della Terra from Forest River

[@reid7524]

I have been following you for a while and you are doing a great service for the consumer and the RV industry as a whole. Some manufacturers are making changes because of the public awareness of these issues. Keep up the good work. I have learned a lot even though I have a lot of experience with RV's. You have made be a better consumer.

[@SpykersB]

Agree 👍

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks! I'm so glad that the videos are helpful!

[@jcm4863]

I have a East to West 2700 NS ENTRADA. MY PROBLEM IS THAT MY SHOWER WATER GOES INTO my black tank😮. I found this out when I went to Forrest River about it😢. We thought 🤔 it wasn't registering right but they said it was designed that way and wouldn't fix it. To me that's 😧 because we have to dump every day. I told them the grey tank was useless. They said it is what it is 😮. How do I fix this problem 🤔, My investigation is I remove the back cover behind the toilet and go under the floor to the other side of the RV to the underside of the sink and tap in. You need to do a video on this type of RV. If you have a better way please let me know. Thanks for your videos 😊

[@jcm4863]

This has everything in this RV that you described in this video. But if you have a better way to do this without cutting into the floor let me know 😊

[@adamash8150]

We found out about Thermofoil countertops the hard way. A plastic bottle of bug spray was left on a counter. It reacted with the top and left an ugly scar. Thanks GD.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Oh that is a new one for me! I'll add that to my list of ways thermofoil can get damaged.

[@rvnut1133]

The moment I saw VERY famous KZbinr promoting this RV I knew to stay away from it. This person promotes anything for clicks and money. And here you go confirming my suspicions. Thank you.

[@undercoverrvtech]

You are welcome, thanks for watching!

[@roadtripwarriors7458]

Don't keep us in suspense! Who was promoting this unit?

[@laurieyehle3256]

Can you do a video listing some RVs that have GOOD plumbing? Ive seen a lot of your videos saying everything is good but the plumbing. Why not give a list of brands that you have found with good or very easily fixable plumbing? Thanks for all you do. Its great that you are providing such knowledge to us consumers!

[@undercoverrvtech]

That is actually included in my RV Shopping class. I have a database with grades and you can just sort by the plumbing grade if you want :-) Here is the link to see what all is included, undercoverrvshopper.com/ Thanks for watching!

[@angie-xy5sf]

Thanks Charles

[@jerrytalley802]

Thanks Charles, lol

[@JG-ti7id]

Thanks to Charles!!! tytyty jacob for your content!!! this is great info

[@undercoverrvtech]

You are welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@juliebaird4156]

Thanks, Charles!

[@johnhaithcock1919]

Thanks Charles. I love these reviews and have looked at all of Mr Rigors videos. Great knowledge being shared with us. Every RV is different so his checklists and info is invaluable.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Glad to hear, thanks for watching!

[@jerrytalley802]

I wish I had found your channel a year ago, I would have bought your course for sure. I looked for months, and settled on a Jayco 263 RBS. I know it may not be as good as some, I felt it was the best I could do, without getting the more custom built units and they’re double the price and more. I’m going to watch your videos, check all my plumbing, and hope I can get to it to fix any bad connections if they in fact did this. Jayco has a 2 year warranty, double most manufacturers, so at least I have twice as long to get them to fix things, lol As I use my camper, I’m getting a not so pleasant opinion of the rv industry. 3rd time out, our slide door to the bedroom came unlatched on one side of the track. I brought some tools so removed the valance, clipped it back on. On the way home, it shook loose again. I took it back apart, bent the clip a little put it back, now nice and tight. Then I noticed the door frame is MDF, so wonder if the screws will hold up long term. I hate that junk, now seems the counter tops are that crap too. Oh, well, guess we need to keep hot pans off, and caulking in good shape? Thanks

[@timf6916]

Good information

[@robertboyer5498]

Hmmm. Doesn’t inspire confidence in our choice last fall, since we bought a FR product. Different division, but still owned by them. We bought a Wildwood 22ERAS because it’s beautiful. I would love to see you look at one and see if we totally Effed up. 😂

[@ElaineGarza-cg7dz]

Thank you Charles

[@emegarry1]

wish I seen this three years ago, lol. I have East to West Della Terra 27kbh. but, I dont 'camp' I am a vendor at a number of fairs and use it for those weeks. about 6 times a year. thankfully I have not had those issues (I think because I dont use it nearly as much as most would) but I will definitely keep an eye on those fittings. thanks.

[@tristanthompson300]

Would love to see a video on the Jayco SLX/STX/Baja lineup!

[@HamiltonMechanical]

3:10 Thanks for telling us the name LOL. My biggest surprise was they didn't wrap it all the way around the sink cut out.... on an undermount sink :p glad I caught that before it got too wet. but yeah, I was like really guys? LOL Also nice to know about the frame cracking, that's one I hadn't found in my past couple years of research. I have a 2020 2800KBH and i love the crap out of it. Yeah, the plumbing is stupid. Vinyl and Pex clamps do not mix! LOL but easy enough to fix I suppose.

[@andyhipp1270]

Do you have any thoughts on the new 2024 Heartland Corterra 28.1 BH?? Thanks Charles, I’ve been looking for a hot minute but after watching some of these videos I’m gonna make sure it gets inspected!!

[@samuelgarza2994]

Could you do either kz connect or a forest river vibe. Those are 2 that I'm looking to perhaps purchase later this year early next year

[@dennisspangler3139]

I really enjoy your videos. Have you ever reviewed KZ Connect travel trailers? By the way thanks Charles.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Not yet! There is a KZ Durango 5th wheel in my database, but I've not had opportunity to see their travel trailers yet. Bet thing if you are seriously looking to buy one is to do my shopping course. Here is the link to see what both the free and paid versions include, undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/ Thanks for watching!

[@Mike01212]

Review the 2024 grand design 2670 mk , enjoy your videos.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks! I don't even need to look at that particular one to say it has bad plumbing. Grand Design is very consistent about that. Hopefully they will get enough customers feedback to make changes. If this is a factor that matters to you I would encourage you to tell your RV salesperson. Thanks for watching!

[@dianasexton1590]

Thanks. I was leaning toward purchasing East to West, but will reconsider after watching this video. This will be my 1st rv purchase. I don't want to buy a lemon. That would bite. lol

[@faithfarmforever4795]

we Love our Grand Design Imagine 17MKE - have had zero issues - and most GD owners will tell you if there are issues GD works hard to make it right - now GD plumbing is supposedly terrible (in how they run it) - but I'd rather have hard to get to plumbing over a camper that falls apart before you even get it home or... In fact we need to trade up to a bunk house for grand kids however in looking at independent rv reviews on Google I've decided I may keep our 17MKE and maybe convert the slide/recliner sofa into a bunk area - cuz most reviews suck - and Forrest river are typically the worst..(even on a outdoors brand rv the drawer slides were mounted wrong, the shower leaked, not to mention the drawers fronts plastic coated film was falling off - and and outdoor brand rv is one of the most expensive out there - so I think I'll skip the risk and keep the great one we have.. (we are goimg into our 3rd year of ownership and have camped about 20 times with zero issues)

[@michaelbardwell6398]

So, what about the 2025 model of east to west. We sign tomorrow morning on a Silverlake 1800rb. Same thing with the plumbing?

[@TheBrianV]

Thanks for this. Im literally ready to go look today at a E/W 260BHLE for $19k in central TX. Not sure if Im going to bail, just because of bad plumbing....

[@undercoverrvtech]

I never know how extensive bad plumbing will be until I inspect a unit. Sometimes there are few but still easy to access bad connections, sometimes there are a lot and in hard to reach places. If you want more info about exactly what to look for you should sign up for my free rv shopping course. It will be a few days before you get the plumbing info but that will go over everything you should look at. undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/ You can get instant access and the grading app with the paid version but if you are not in a hurry to buy the free is a ton of info. Thanks for watching!

[@JG-ti7id]

Free? Nice! I'm pretty sure I'm getting the paid version after I see how dang good the free version is. With all of the great info you provide us on this channel I'm so freakin excited! Glhf​@@undercoverrvtech

[@user-ktm890rider]

Jacob I was looking at the East to West Alta toy haulers do you know if they’re also using the MDF thermofoil?

[@JeffinTD]

I wonder why the rv industry uses Pex B? At least in my neck of the woods professional plumbers seem to use Pex A. It’s considerably more flexible, and as I understand it when bought in commercial quantities the expansion fittings are cheaper. Power expander tools, though, are not.

[@kitkatwalker8552]

If the plumbing is bad designing, should the water pump be lowered in pressure or should buyers of RVs invest in a water pressure regulator to be used at the water spigot?

[@MikeS-g5g]

Yes always use a pressure regulator

[@undercoverrvtech]

Always use a pressure regulator when connected to city water. If you already have a badly plumbed RV, lowering the water pressure below 55psi can reduce the chance of developing a leak, but manufacturers really need to just plumb their rvs better. Plumbing is supposed to withstand twice the rated PSI in testing, there is no reason it should be leaking at 55psi.

[@terrycarlson568]

I is important to realize that ( code ) is a minimum standard there for east to west is a minimum built trailer

[@colbymorain58]

What are you thoughts on the Jayco 32BHS

[@jerrytalley802]

I would love to see how much it would actually cost to upgrade all rv cabinets to solid wood. At the least, they should offer an up charge to get it done. I love how the new brainiacs that are all about opinions want to argue the facts in the field that the rv techs have discovered. QUESTION; are the only manufacturer that do it right,mtge ones that charge $60,000 for a size/style camper that others charge $30,000 for. I’m being serious because it seems the quality designated brands by the experts, are out of most peoples price range?

[@stephenchavis5667]

you should do a review video on the Coleman 17B I've owned one for almost 2 years and I'd like to get ure take on the Camper

[@undercoverrvtech]

Done! kzbin.infoB3XKO3QFu0Q

[@StressLessCamping]

You absolutely hit the nail on the head with the statement about RV companies responding to warranty claims. I suspect that MANY of us make repairs to the plumbing in our RVs in the campground or back home which doesn't trigger a warranty claim at all. This is how we did it. This is how most everybody that I know of does it. I used to be an RV warranty administrator at a dealership and I never saw people come in with popped cheapo tires nor plumbing issues and the kinds of things that are real problems but not something the RV industry sees through the way they monitor things. Your videos about RV plumbing, I suspect, may actually cause a change in the industry and that would be a good thing. Sure, that RVIA sticker gets the RVIA more marketing dollars but, to we consumers, it isn't worth the foil it's printed on.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Thanks! Some change is already happening, Brinkley now uses a pre-made flex hose assembly on their water pump instead of pinch clamps. But on models with plumbing in the slides they still do the pinch clamps...So some are good some are bad! Lol

[@staceymiller4765]

What do you think of the forest river Sable brand?

[@reproverebukeexhortevangel2131]

Are all Forest Rivers built similiarly? We are looking at the 2024 Surveyor Legend 252rble.

[@linkfloyd4908]

Just my opinion, but yes and no. Yes in that there are common build themes across the RV industry. No, in that Forest River has a wide variety of brands, many built at different facilities by different crews.

[@undercoverrvtech]

Link Floyd is correct that there are many brands and plants and differences in how RV's are made between them. I've reviewed some Forest River that get a passing grade and others that I would avoid. If you want to browse grades in my database that can give you a starting place. Ultimately I reccomend going through my shopping course and grading the particular unit you want to understand the pro and cons, and what I would consider dealbreakers. You can do the free 60-day course, or if you get the paid version you get the database and grading app as well. Here is the link to see what all is included with both, undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/ Thanks for watching!

[@roberto.peterson9917]

meets code code is the minimum required there nothing to stop anyone from exceeding code or using best products available. my rv has Pex pipe mixed with the white hose when connecting to appliances like sink and shower 🚿 toilet

[@undercoverrvtech]

Keep an eye on those flex connections, especially the hot side. Many RVs are plumbed with PEX all the way up to the faucet and toilet, there is really no need to use flex.

[@richardkoch8752]

Please do a review or give a opinion on the trailers on my short list: Win. Micro Minnie, Geo Pro, Little Guy Max, Nash 17..............I know I'm asking for much.............but what the heck? 😷

[@undercoverrvtech]

I'm so sorry to hear that! Hopefully you have been able to get it to a shop by now.

[@tomekgajewski9964]

Hello Sir. Any reviews on Cross Roads RV? I'm picking up a new 2022 Volante BH 270 fifth wheel.

[@undercoverrvtech]

I can't' say for certain without looking at that unit, but in a quick look at a comparable listing I see what appears to be the BAL Accu-Slide system on the slide which I recommend avoiding. It is a maintenance headache and can fail in a way that bends the wall framing and totals your RV. Or it creates leaks in the slide out roof. I have not seen a Volante in person to look at the plumbing, that is the biggest question I would have about it. If you haven't checked out my shopping course yet you definitely should. undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/ Also, if you want consulting on RV shopping just shoot me an email to [e-mail] and I'll get you the details on what I offer. Thanks for watching!

[@jerrytalley802]

We looked at these campers and thinking we saw a lot a quality issues?

[@patrickmckowen2999]

👍

[@marcusaponte1287]

Would you say all the east to west products are made the same? The Alta, for example?

[@undercoverrvtech]

I've not looked at the Alta, but usually there are similar construction methods within each manufacturer. I say that, but I just discovered that Alliance has been doing bad plumbing in their Delta travel trailers whereas their 5th wheels that I've looked at are all plumbed correctly. Bottom line is you need to take a close look at any RV you are planning to buy because things change so much constantly even with each manufacturer. My shopping course is designed to help you assess RVs like I do, and I offer consulting if you need more personal help. Here is the link to see what all is included in both the free and paid versions, undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/ Thanks for watching!

[@kevincampbell4816]

We bought a Rockwood made by forest river in 2019, biggest mistake ever! Will NEVER own another forest river product. Customer service is absolutely horrid or non existent. We have spent a lot of money repairing this rv.

[@yankeesusa1]

That can happen with grand design and others as well. Forest River has so many rvs at different qualities. Example, flagstaff and rockwood is completely different than buying a salem fsx. It’s all about research and even making sure you have an inspection done before buying. In the end though, all rvs require maintenance and you have to be willing to learn to do your own repair or save money to hire someone to do it for you.

[@SpykersB]

You might want to stress in your plumbing video, (which i know u know) u buy a rv with bad plumbing n it leaks, the dealer will simply fix your leak exactly how it was when it leaked via the manufacturer original install. So no dealer will correct the bad plumbing, they will simply fix with another bad fix. That shocks a lot of newbees who buy a bad plumbed rv. 🍻

[@undercoverrvtech]

Yes, I know I've said that before but will say it again. I'm going to be making another couple videos about the plumbing issue soon. Thanks for watching!

[@georgek719]

Dometic customer service is horrible. I don't know how you can give it anything above a 4.

[@sassas5492]

That's horrible, there is absolutely no reason any RV manufacture should do bad plumbing work. The little extra time, and cost to do it right the first time would be well worth it. Some other popular RV's that would be awesome if you can review/ Heartland Cyclone Heartland Trail Runner Jayco jay flight Coachmen viking/clipper same camper just different decals Forest River salem/wildwood same camper just different decals Gulf Stream Conquest/Ameri-Lite/Innsbruck, etc, same camper just different decals Coachmen Catalina Keystone passport Dutchmen Kodiak Cruiser MPG Shasta Coachmen Freedom Express Coachmen Apex Alpha Wolf Forest River Ozark Keystone Bullet

[@Luv2camp316]

What a shame they defend a known problem in the plumbing. It must keep their PR person busy making up new excuses as to why it’s the customers fault.

[@jerrytalley802]

I’m glad we didn’t buy one, especially the cheap cabinets and plumbing

[@NanaGram]

Thanks Charles