Understanding how to size a Seiko Pin and Collar and/or Regular Pin Watch Braclet

[@johnmasinter2576]

NOTE: On the Seiko Monster bracelet, the collar inserts into the outer link. On the modern 62Mas / MM200, the collar goes into the middle link as in your video. This difference was driving me nuts until I watched enough videos to see it both ways.

[@JustWatches1]

This is a super important detail! I actually just got a monster and noticed that about the collars. That design seems almost worse, because it is hard to get the collar to seat while you drive the pin. Glad the video helped :)

[@GDLOTKIDOG]

What about the pins holding the case to the bracelet. I pushed those out and I am having a difficult time getting the collar sunk where I am comfortable that the bracelet won’t fall off. Should I put the collar into the inside of the lugs then hammer the pin through? I put the pin through and tapped the collar on as good as I could. But after watching this video I am wondering if I should have the collar inside inside of the lugs not outside pushing it in? Any thoughts? Thank You

[@ELJOTA34]

This is 4 years late, but I just want to give you a hale and hearty thank you! You may have just saved my marriage. I got a Seiko Monster and lost two collars on the first attempt to resize. Holed up in my work area with the intensity of going into battle for round two. An even worse failure with bent pins. Ordered an entirely new bracelet and the S-936 tool. Thanks to you, I know exactly where the collar belongs. The drawing idea is great. You have a teacher's soul. Thanks!

[@JustWatches1]

Glad I could help :) Thank you for the kind words!

[@AnthonyVogt-t3t]

Quite frankly, the best way to adjust these is to immediately order a replacement bracelet or strap. These are almost designed to be ridiculously complicated. Dumb!

[@jamess4748]

Great tutorial, this was the 5th video I found and the only one that proved useful. I appreciated the diagrams and explainations. Also having both pin/collar methods in the one video helped me identify the system I had. As a novice this was the most important revolution. I've now adjusted my watch bracelet myself, thank you!

[@JustWatches1]

I'm really glad to hear it was helpful, especially when compared to other videos!

[@sonyman2112]

Best explanation on KZbin Thanks.

[@JustWatches1]

sonyman2112 thanks :)

[@M123OCT]

That's a great video. If I can add one tip, I keep the plastic film that usually covers a new watch, on the dial etc. Then, when it comes to those last few hammer taps, when you need the pointy tool thing to make the pin sit just below the bracelet surface, I hammer through the plastic. Then, if it slips, you don't scratch your bracelet.

[@JustWatches1]

This is a really clever idea! Thank you! :)

[@solomonaries9510]

I realize I am quite off topic but do anyone know of a good website to stream new movies online?

[@lawrenceridge3907]

@Solomon Aries I would suggest flixportal. You can find it on google =)

[@solomonaries9510]

@Lawrence Ridge Thank you, signed up and it seems like a nice service =) I appreciate it!

[@lawrenceridge3907]

@Solomon Aries No problem :)

[@seanman22001]

horrible system.. better get a new bracelet

[@JustWatches1]

Apparently, and I don't know for sure, but pin and collar is the most secure of all the systems. Still prefer screw links myself.

[@bullwingsc6216]

What a stupid method. I am so sick of this pin and collar crap. Time for Seiko to step up their game in 2023

[@JustWatches1]

I agree, bring us screw links :)

[@tonetone4523]

Excellent excellent excellent tutorial. Bravo. If someone can’t do it with your explanation then they should not do it themselves

[@JustWatches1]

Thank you, and I agree :P

[@chocloditelensman]

On my citizen watch the collar is on the opposite side of the arrow.

[@JustWatches1]

Oh interesting, good to know. That is why I always try to draw a picture while sizing so I don't get mixed up :)

[@mariagarciagarcia5391]

And the hole is bigger.

[@rodneymounsey4168]

Thank you very much, lucky I was taking a link out, lost a collar. Trickier than I thought but got it done. Thanks for the guidance, cheers!

[@JustWatches1]

I'm really glad it helped! :)

[@steelsteez6118]

Sarb owner here. At 22:28 on the opposite end of the micro adjust side of the clasp, the folding arm hinge attaches to a small H link endlink. Is there any possible way that you could check if this small H link also uses a normal pin and collar like the rest of the links do? I've been stuck for hours trying to put it back together (took it apart a long time ago trying a new clasp) and there is no place to rest the collar. The collar will simple go through either of the holes on the H link. Also, if you look at the holes of the H link endlink, they happen to be larger than the rest of the holes of the other links where the pin fits through which leads me to believe it's a different size but not sure. Is there any way you could check if a thicker pin and/or collar system is used on this H endlink? You are my last hope lol, been searching the forums for hours and can't find anything. I'm thinking it uses a thicker and/or shorter pin than the rest of the links or I'm not doing something right.

[@steelsteez6118]

Good talk, good talk...............

[@JustWatches1]

I don't have this watch anymore so unfortunately I can't check :( Were you able to figure it out?

[@cheeseblog]

First..... Thank you. Well done. Second.... Hopefully I’ll be able to always get watches with screw pins.

[@JustWatches1]

Most welcome! Yes, screw pins are the best, I wish all watches had them!

[@starscream984]

Hi does anybody know the reference number of the collars for spb143j1? I bought it second hand and there was a couple missing. I tried google it but couldn't find anything

[@amcgrady]

Nice video! I just received my first Seiko with pins/collars in the bracelet & it was very frustrating removing links & then finding out that 2 of the tiny collars had fallen out--I found 2 on the floor which saved the day. Don't know why Seiko changed a very tried and tested pin setup, but thanks for the video 🤓

[@JustWatches1]

The pin and collar system is a mystery, haha! I am pretty darn good at it at this point, but it is still my least favorite sizing system.

[@jordyb9073]

Just bought my Sarb035 today and this video saved me from losing it all!!! So thankful for your time in this video!

[@JustWatches1]

You are most welcome! I know the feeling haha.

[@gonzchi]

Really good video to understand pin & collar , thank you.

[@JustWatches1]

Thank you, I'm glad it helped :)

[@61814_]

Okay, my watch doesn't have arrows on it. It's pins appear same on both side. What do I do? It's a titan watch btw... From Calcutta Titan metal mechanicals NR90140SM01.

[@JustWatches1]

If there are no arrows it might be pin and collar (you can go either way with those). Did you figure it out yet?

[@ErdemYildirim_]

With this video, I can able to adjust my Seiko Helmer. Thanks!

[@JustWatches1]

So glad it helped!! Enjoy the Seiko :)

[@garyberger]

Thank you for the very clear instructions, brief and to the point.

[@JustWatches1]

You are welcome, glad it helped!

[@virginiadelagarza5874]

I really love your video. You are very patient in explaining every detail. Where can I get the right magnifying glass to see the pin closeup? Thxs!!🙏 🧐

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it was helpful. You might consider magnification glasses, even just a 2x or 3x could help quite a bit! Amazon has tons of them!

[@BeatPoet67]

Thanks dude. I was a bit perplexed how the collar fitted!

[@JustWatches1]

Really glad it was helpful!

[@adwaitetiwarycfa7087]

Fantastic explanation. Bravo!

[@SM-io8ol]

New subscriber , this video alone made me want to subscribe. Thank you again

[@JustWatches1]

Thanks and welcome aboard :)

[@nettech321]

Best explanation of the pin and collar I have found! Thanks!

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for stopping by :)

[@mariatrifonova8829]

Great job! Thanks so much! Very helpful tutorial!

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it was helpful!

[@billt1954]

Excellent helpful video, many thanks👍

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it was helpful! :)

[@OrCabdiel]

Wow bro THANK YOU so much you literally saved me,

[@JustWatches1]

Glad I could help :)

[@hominse2366]

Thank you, great video.

[@JustWatches1]

No problem, hope it was helpful :)

[@kane45777]

This was excellent thank you!

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it was helpful, I recorded it after finally getting good at sizing bracelets (it took a while)!

[@FoxJigButterflyEveryone]

Excellent video on the difference. Thank you

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it was helpful!

[@williamanderson8883]

Great job now I know what to do

[@JustWatches1]

Glad I could help!

[@romanarndt2235]

Excellent video. Big thanks

[@JustWatches1]

Most welcome!

[@OrCabdiel]

Wow bro THANK YOU so much you literally saved me!!

[@ScottOrtiz]

Extremely helpful, THANK YOU! Collar drop in the carpet almost had me in tears. Our Shark vacuum with clear waste catch saved my bacon TWICE on this simple watch band resizing adventure.

[@JustWatches1]

So glad the video was able to help! And thank goodness for the clear waste catch haha!

[@sojourner2013]

Hi, Mine was your second example. Difficult to find an example. Yes, it was stressful until I saw your video. Well done. You made my day. Wearing my Seiko BFK again. God bless you.

[@JustWatches1]

I'm so glad it was helpful and reduced your stress! Godbless :)

[@wrinkledm]

I very much appreciate your post. I quickly and successfully shortened the band on my Seiko watch. :)

[@JustWatches1]

So glad the video was helpful! :)

[@johnybrokeit]

That helped me a LOT! Thank you! And i enjoyed your calm way of explaining the process. Cheers!

[@JustWatches1]

So glad it helped, you are welcome! :)

[@reyrueda8412]

Great instructions. Thanks

[@JustWatches1]

You're welcome!

[@TimRobertsen]

Great video! I just wanted to point out one thing, at about 19:30. You might want to push the pin in so that you are pushing the collar into its seat, instead of pushing/hammering it out of its seat (and potentially bumping it against the outer lug with each hammer stroke). I could be wrong in this, but as far as I know, the collar only goes into one side of the center-lug, thereby giving it a seat in the center-lug.

[@JustWatches1]

I believe you are correct. I have also learned since making this video that sometimes Seiko makes bracelets where the collar sits on the outer edge of the link. I really dislike those, haha!

[@TimRobertsen]

@@JustWatches1 Heheh! Yeah, it's always fun when they change up something which people already are confused by:p

[@SM-io8ol]

Great detailed explanation! Thank you

[@brianwest1501]

What about the collar??

[@JustWatches1]

check out the timestamps, pin and collar is the second half of the video

[@yoheff988]

Superb explanation 👍 Where to get those replacement pins? They break easily.

[@JustWatches1]

I am not sure if they are universal, but if you are looking for Seiko pins check Long Island Watch.

[@andrewcheung6942]

Thanks a lot. this is very detail video to let us know how to fix it. It can really make it easy. Thanks again.

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it helped :)

[@9tiesimonsomething]

Good job (8

[@JustWatches1]

Thanks you kindly :)

[@mrbacchus6127]

Guys - 12:14 for the dreaded pin and collar system. I am currently stuck with a Hamilton Jazzmaster bracelet. No arrows, collar in the middle, I can remove links but not put them back together. Very frustrating.

[@JustWatches1]

Thanks for the time stamp, I have to figure out how to add those :) Sorry to hear about the bracelet on your Jazzmaster.

[@mrbacchus6127]

@@JustWatches1 I brought it to a local watchmaker and had the satisfaction of him struggling a bit with it lol

[@Napoli-DM10]

Excellent video - I appreciate your attention to detail and very good explanation/guidance!

[@JustWatches1]

Glad you enjoyed it :) Drawing the pictures really helps me figure it out haha

[@tmmusic711]

Excellent! Thank you

[@JustWatches1]

Most welcome!!

[@tmmusic711]

@@JustWatches1 So, i bought a set of pin and collar pins but the collars are doubles. More specifically, it's two collars attached that is scored down the middle. What is the best way to cut the collar? Many thanks for your help!

[@gonzchi]

Great drawings ! :)

[@JustWatches1]

Thank you so much 😀

[@TpEric62]

Thanks for the video

[@JustWatches1]

Most welcome. Hope it was useful :)

[@TpEric62]

@@JustWatches1 certainly

[@ashrees4843]

Life saver

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it helped :)

[@Ilovejewelry06]

Really appreciate the pictures to see what actually is going on in there!

[@JustWatches1]

You are most welcome l!

[@jamescal1885]

Very excellent explanation! Thank you ~

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it was helpful! :)

[@davidcoleman2463]

I need to take out a few links. One on each side. Do I need to take the clasp right off ? I want the watch to be even . Thanks .

[@JustWatches1]

You don't need to take the clasp off. I usually end up taking a few links off of each side and putting it on and just seeing where the clasp lands. If it is too far in one direction, I move a link from the longer side to the shorter side and that usually corrects it. Hope that makes sense, and good luck :)

[@davidcoleman2463]

@@JustWatches1 thank you . I should get my Seiko sarbo35 tomorrow ( Amazon ). I did order a watch kit at the same time .

[@Ta_nuz]

Toppest demo mate. Best job.🙋

[@JustWatches1]

Glad it was useful!

[@1occulas]

Talk too much. Boring!