UniFi Cloud Gateway MAX! Setup & Comparison | UCG-Max Ubiquiti Networks

[@ApexOneTech]

FYI, No-storage option for $199 out now: store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/cloud-gateways-compact/collections/cloud-gateway-max/products/ucg-max-ns?variant=ucg-max-ns?a_aid=apex AND you can get buy a separate tray if needed for future upgrade with third-party NVMe. Sweet deal! More info: kzbin.infotj5S5r9umwg?feature=share

[@DwayneBrown]

We still don’t know if we’re going to be able to add our own storage? Some people are saying it doesn’t come with a storage cradle.

[@ApexOneTech]

@@DwayneBrown kzbin.infotj5S5r9umwg?feature=share

[@travispittman5287]

You have to buy the sled for $20 If you get the no storage option ​@@DwayneBrown

[@lj75cu]

Hello @ApexOneIT, I love your videos and I learn a lot. Sorry for my grammar, I use a translator because I am Spanish. I intend to update my home network. I have gigabit fiber internet. I would like to update a network so that it lasts at least a few years since technology advances very quickly. I am not very expert in networks but you explain it very well and I am learning. My intention to do it once is to put a Cloud Gateway Max, a Pro Max 16 Poe switching (for future connections) and a pair of U7-Pro APs. I have more than 50 home automation accessories, most of them with WiFi. If in the future the internet provider changes to 2.5 or 5 or 10 gigabit, I will be prepared, that is my intention. What do you recommend? I am right.

[@shortygfx]

Just one mention from my side. I run UCG Max for about some weeks now. Got it as it got out. This thing gets really really hot, especially on the side, where you see those ventilation shafts. What helped me was to position this thing vertically. But i ended up placing a noctua 120mm fan on that thing. Also: if you place it vertically the mini display will also turn. Thats a nice feature.

[@cue03]

How much has the 120mm fan helped the temps? Did you perform a before/after? Are you using all the ports and multiple features such as ids/ips, firewalls and vlans or is it a relatively flat simple network? Are cameras currently in your coming figuration writing to the nvme drive?

[@ApexOneTech]

Yes! Display auto-rotates--even upside down if needed. There's a wall plate adapter out there now for this unit as well. And thanks for the tip. Did you check what the internal temp was reading in Console > About?

[@shortygfx]

@@cue03 Hey there! Yes, i did before and after. Without the fan and device positioned horizontally the temps were around 75 - 79 Celsius. Without doing hardly anything. After i flipped the thing vertically the temps dropped to 65-66 with also doing nothing. After i configured my network (multiple vlans, VPN, IDS/IPS on 3 Networks enabled, almost 40 individual fw rules, 3 additional unifi devices) the device was sitting at around 80 Celsius again horizontally. After i put the fan on the device itself, the temps are now stable at around 58 - 60 Celsius. Sadly i dont have any camera yet, but will order shortly.

[@shortygfx]

@@ApexOneTech hey lad! Yes, there you can get the temps reading where i was observing it also.

[@cue03]

@@shortygfx Very helpful information. Thank you for the details. Two more questions please. What model of the Noctua fan did you get? And how did you mount/position and power the fan?

[@PDQuig]

Thanks for this video. I'm looking to replace an eero network in a 3,300 sf house. I want better admin controls and security. Current ISP coax cable feeds my Arris SB8200 modem but there is no ethernet for PoE anywhere in the house. Speed is only 500 Mbps but 1G fiber is coming. Am I correct in thinking that a UCG Max can replace the eero router and 2 or 3 U7-Pro Wall access points (with a PoE Adapter for each) would work? I don’t care if it’s a bit of overkill. I don’t think I need a switch since 4 ports are available on the Max for a VOIP phone and wireless printer. Thanks!

[@mandalaprayoga]

this is really game changing 1 device but many function

[@ApexOneTech]

At 2.5 G, yeah it’s great!

[@rickmcintosh3570]

This is such a beautiful platform.

[@ApexOneTech]

100%!

[@2QRh6g1I]

What I don't understand is the new Cloud Gateway Ultra and Max use a "Quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 at 1.5 GHz" while the older CloudKey Gen2 Plus uses an "Octa-core ARM Cortex-A53 based chip APQ8053 at 1.8 GHz (up to 2.2GHz per core)". Now the CloudKey isn't a gateway/router, yet it has a more powerful version of the processor. Feels like UniFi cheaped out on the processor for the new Cloud Gateways.

[@kashisrinath007]

How do you feel about the new U7-Pro and U7-Pro Max?

[@ApexOneTech]

I just got it and will be testing it

[@NatesRandomVideo]

Been running mine for a few weeks. The downside right now is the lack of low end 2.5G switches in the Ubiquiti lineup to pair with it. The enterprise 16 switch at almost $500 is way too high end for most needs this gateway will be handling. (Home 1 gig internet / fiber.) Additionally my particular ISP would have preferred to drop straight into a fiber SFP which is not an option here, so I had to get a media converter SFP to Ethernet. The USW Ultra needs a 2.5G version. It’s a great option for distributing 1G and boatloads of PoE (cameras) but it’s a swing and a miss for high internal data rate while mixing in a 1G fiber connection. For most folk if they don’t need massive PoE, the Lite 8 is a better option because it’s Layer 3 and the Ultra is only Layer 2. Great box. It needs the supporting switch made.

[@ApexOneTech]

I do wish for a cheaper, smaller, PoE 2.5G switch. The Pro-Max-16-PoE is probably the cheapest option at about $400.

[@NatesRandomVideo]

@@ApexOneTech yeah, they're just missing adding it... can find non-Ubiquiti ones online for sub-$100 now. The chipset is clearly available, even for fanless...

[@carbpumper]

The UDM-SE is still the best option. The little gateways don’t have PoE, only one has WiFi, and one has camera storage. When will an all-in-one device come out besides the Dream Wall?

[@ApexOneTech]

Always depends on use-case. Which is why it's great to have several options. Even the UDM-SE is not best for business use. The built-in ports don't have the same features as a separate PoE switch. Notability, link aggregation.

[@wvansluisveld3011]

The Max sounds like a great product if it could connect directly to the new U7 pro with 2.5 and power it through POE. Lacking this feature is a huge miss, which could have been solved if there would have been an Max Switch with 2.5 and POE. However that doesn’t exist either unless you want to buy enterprise at enterprise prices. The form factor of the 16 port switch is too large to match with the UCG max. People who buy maxes want to avoid needing a rack.

[@mironchen9714]

Maybe try 2.5G PoE switch from other brand for now?

[@wvansluisveld3011]

@@mironchen9714 I think I may take the route of sticking to my Netgear 308EP for now. My main PC and NAS will be the main consumers of multigig and can be connected to the UCG Max without POE requirement.

[@ApexOneTech]

The Max Pro 16 is close, but yeah, I'm hoping that they come out with a more affordable Enterprise 8 PoE type switch without the SFP+ ports.

[@merbesfield]

I own a small business and we don’t really need internet, but we really need security. We need 14cameras. Trying to decide should we go with one of the Unifi products or just keep it simple and get a Reolink stand alone NVR system. Confused. Thanks

[@ArnoSchmidt70]

The No Storage version has no SSD tray included. You have to buy it seperate for 20$.

[@ApexOneTech]

Correct. kzbin.infotj5S5r9umwg?feature=share

[@piksfactory]

So question im new into this, if i have two access points, do they work together as a mesh system or separate with two different connections?

[@ApexOneTech]

They work together. You shouldn’t typically notice it switching from one AP to the next.

[@master_the_mind]

Great Video!!! Question can you add multiple subnets on the router...

[@ApexOneTech]

Yes, absolutely

[@ronald0122]

we only need a budget 2.5gb switch

[@yuhsinchen5610]

does it support the door access hub? great video btw, very helpful

[@ApexOneTech]

It can run the Access app. To power something like the UA-Hub, you'll need PoE++ from another switch.

[@larhaveman6205]

I have a reolink camera system - can I use this gateway and switch set up for internet access along with a non-unifi camera system?

[@ApexOneTech]

Yeah. But to be clear, you won't be using UniFi Protect. You'll still have all your Reolink gear but just plugged in to the UniFi switches.

[@GregLees-t1j]

if someone was to buy this would they still need a cloudKey?

[@ApexOneTech]

Nope. This has the "cloud" feature built-in.

[@cheebengkoh8208]

Do we really need the NVMe SSD for a start if we not using Unifi Protect?

[@CorruptionInc1]

It's unlikely you'd need the storage if you're not using Protect.

[@ApexOneTech]

NO. There's a no storage option out now. kzbin.infotj5S5r9umwg?feature=share

[@serogas5]

Thank you! You helped me to decide between udm pro and gateway max. I clearly now know that i need gateway max with my u7 pro, u7 pro max and for future want to add cameras and ring door. Ring door should be capable, right ?

[@ApexOneTech]

Yes! But depending on how many cameras you want (including doorbell) and if you want 24/7 recording, you might need a larger drive.

[@serogas5]

Awesome, thank you! ​ 😊@ApexOneTech

[@johnersj7099]

Great video. I have 10Gb FTTH. 7Gb in real world. 8 Annke PoE cameras into an Annke NVR. 4 floors. It is a house/home installation. I would like wifi on each floor. About 80sqm per floor. How would you deploy? Would you use the DM SE? Or the MAX? I do not want cloud subscriptions. I just want to be self contained, but I would like the NVR to be stored in a secure room away from the network core.

[@ApexOneTech]

You'll want to go with U7 wireless access points if you really get those internet speeds. And you'll want your PoE switch to be 2.5GbE. So that should be at minimum the Pro Max 16 PoE that has 4x 2.5G PoE ports included. That's assuming you need 4x wireless access points. You may get away with 2 or 3 access points though with something like a U7 Pro Max. For the Gateway, you'll want the UDM Pro Max if you'll be using full IDS/IPS which then throttles your internet down to 5Gbps. The UDM Pro gets you down to 3.5Gbps which is why you wouldn't want that. store.ui.com/us/en/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/udm-pro-max?a_aid=Apex&chan=yt

[@shreyasdube]

I already have a 2-month old UCG-Ultra and was looking to add Protect with 2 2k cameras. Curious which of these 2 options you would recommend for adding Protect. Option 1: Keep UCG-Ultra, get the Cloud Key for $249 (the $199 one is no longer available) Option 2: Sell UCG-Ultra, get UCG-Max (no storage or the 500GB one). Hopefully, I can sell the Ultra for $100, so this would be a $279 - $100 solution. And then I can buy a 1TB SSD later for $50 - $80. Price-wise, these cost about the same +/- $20, but system design-wise, I have 2 separate devices for Network and Protect so that allows me to scale different devices as need. I'm leaning towards Option 1 but curious if you had a suggestion. Thank you!

[@ApexOneTech]

I don’t like the hassle of selling. Since you already have the Ultra, I would do what you suggest with Option 1. Nice to have separate devices for future upgrades. And you could save $50 to get the CloudKey+ with the HHD instead. Try bhphotovideo.com to see if they have it in stock.

[@weholmes5315]

Same here. My 6 month old UCG Ultra does everything I need except Protect. So I'm getting the Cloud Key mainly to use SSD instead of hot NVME. Plus I don't need 2.5G now and don't want to upgrade all my switches. Cloud Key is an easy add-on! 🤔

[@shreyasdube]

@@weholmes5315 I ended up with UNVR with a 4TB HDD (not SSD). I've read that SSDs are not a good fit for surveillance applications. They're giving a free G4 Bullet with UNVR these days so that was a helpful nudge in that direction vs CloudKey with SSD.

[@EsotericArctos]

Although it may run "all" the unifi apps, you have to be aware that these compact gateways are only suited for small deployments, even smaller than the UDM Pro. If you run Protect, Network and one of the other apps at the same time, they do get a bit slower with performance and this will need to be taken into account when considering these devices. It's great to see Unifi releasing more devices, but I would still consider a separate gateway and controller installation if you have more than half a daozn unifi devices. Unifi do have some good options now compared to what they use to have. It is good to see them finally bring their gateway selection up to scratch. By the way. The "no storage" option doesn't come with the SSD sled, so that is something to consider.

[@marinicallcc]

At the first presentation I was super happy to buy the UCG-MAX-2TB. Then I have read some comments on KZbin about the hot temperatures due to fanless construction. And now is out-of-stock. In Italy the store present UCG-MAX-2TB at 540€ and the UDM-PRO+8TBHDD at 707€ (or 527 if you buy a 2TB HDD on Amazon). Hard choise. Considering also the fact that I have always been in Ubiquiti family for a long time and these are super devices up to 10 Gbit link even if my ISP max rate is 30 Mbit (I live in mountain Italy, I can switch to Starlink to gain 150-200Mbit but this isn't the point). I don't know how to do.

[@EsotericArctos]

@@marinicallcc They don't run too hot, about the same as other unifi fanless equipment. Unifi's fanless stuff always has run warm, even the USG did a bit. It's not concerning though as the components used by UI are high quality and last the long term. Personally, I would say don't buy the 2TB version. Get the cheapest version without storage, even if you need to pay Unifi $20us for the SSD tray, then buy your own SSD to go into it. They can take many different sizes of SSD's, including different physical sizes, and UI charge a ridiculously high amount for even a 2TB SSD on top of the price of the device with no storage included. As a note, these are only up to 2.5gbps as they have 2.5gbps WAN and LAN, but if your ISP is capped at 30mbps, I'd go for the cheaper UCG Ultra or run your own controller and get the UXG Lite. If you want to use Protect, then I believe the UCG Ultra can run Protect, but I can't remember if it had internal storage or needed external storage. The UDM Pro is a different device, but the original UDM Pro is not a lot more capable than the UCG Ultra and Max, when you consider all the LAN ports on the UDM Pro are 1gbps and the processor only supports about the same number of cameras in Protect. The UDM MAx would be a better option if you wanted rack mount and to go bigger. UDM Pro/SE/Max also have fans, so you need to consider the noise, though the active cooling would be keep things running cooler

[@ApexOneTech]

True, it’s not for a large deployment. For context, with 2x 2k cameras and 1x 4k camera, I get 3 days of continuous recording on 500GB. No Storage option is great though if you need 2.5 gig LAN and something quite for your desk. I don’t need see any performance issues with mine. Nothing like with the UX that took quite some time to load the dashboard.

[@marinicallcc]

@@EsotericArctos Thank you a lot for response! I thought that the Ubiquiti SSD are expensive due to the continuos performance in case of Protect is active. Any SSD would be equivalent? I'm planning to deploy 4 2K cameras: so the UCG-Ultra is not an option. The UDM-SE has the PoE included that with the fans are two points that bring me to indecision.

[@marinicallcc]

@@ApexOneTech I don't know why in Ubiquiti are so slow to update their website. In the "Capacity Calculator" is still missing the UCG-MAX so the only way to get idea of Protect time recording is other users. This device is still missing also from Design Center...Anyway if you play with the slider on UDM-SE you can get on 1TB HDD a capacity of 3 Days with 5 x 2K Camera + 1 x 4 K Camera that confirm your experience on 500 GB!!!

[@19thpar3]

Great video, I’m debating between the $199 max and the $379 dream machine. I have frontier fiber 2gb. Really just going to use it for network no cameras or anything else. I guess my concern would be only 1.5 gbs with ips on vs the 3.5 on the dream machine. I have a 3000sqft house with cat 6 up stairs and cat 6 downstairs. Was gonna hard wire 2 mesh 6 and another 2 mesh 6 just to expand. Would love your thoughts. I also need one switch that does 2.5 gb

[@ApexOneTech]

Long term, the UDM is better. UCG Max seems to get quite hot. Especially if it won’t be sitting on a desk in a nice cooled room. And, like you said, with full IPS you’ll never get 2 gig. Although, you’ll most likely never saturate that 2 gig WAN I assume unless you’re really peak transferring massive amounts of data over the internet-but that’s a different question. The 2.5 gig LAN ports will work just fine if you have something like a server that can actually use that.

[@mrpulf88]

I have a Linksys router and looking to put a U7 outdoor externally to get wifi in the garden, will that connect straight to my router or do I need a gateway of some sorts?

[@ApexOneTech]

You don’t have to get a gateway. This video is for you: Add UniFi Access Point to Existing Network | Step-by-Step kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2fPaJJjorymmMU

[@dirtydevver]

i saw ad blocking as an option in your video but you skipped over it, i was wondering how good is this feature in unifi as that may save having to mess around wih pi hole or adguard home

[@wakkadakkaify]

it's less configurable than pihole, and more restrictive in some ways. It's okay to replace pihole unless you want more control

[@ApexOneTech]

I haven't messed with it much so I don't deploy it for small business. But, maybe worth looking into for home for a simpler setup.

[@_Trakman]

what do you need the storage for? what do you lose if you don't get the storage?

[@bluearcherx]

Unifi Protect camera NVR

[@ApexOneTech]

To store video footage if you use UniFi Protect cameras. Otherwise, you're fine with the no-storage option.

[@nonsonoinmatrix]

Hey, thanks for the great video! For a wifi only usage would it be fine not to use the USW Ultra and connect the U6+ directly to the UCG Max?

[@ApexOneTech]

The U6+ plus needs power that the UCG Max itself cannot provide. You need either a PoE switch added between the UCG Max and U6+ or a PoE Injector/adapter: UniFi PoE on Amazon amzn.to/48S0FtW

[@DanWalshTV]

It's a cool device for smaller/home installations that want both UniFi Network + Protect, it's just unfortunate how much they're charging for storage, esp given they use relatively cheaper Kingston drives in them. It's also very disappointing that the no-storage variant does not come with a storage sled, preventing you from using your own drive without first buying one of theirs. It's a scummy up-sell tactic on Ubiquiti's part. I hope that changes in the future or they at least sell the sled at a reasonable price (it really should be included though). I'm waiting for some kind of UDR refresh (maybe a UDR Max) that I can easily recommend to friends/families, my home is already full UniFi but it's hard to recommend their current line-up for homes, at least if you need cameras too.

[@ApexOneTech]

Looks like they listened to feedback. Can buy a tray and add your own storage: kzbin.infotj5S5r9umwg?feature=share

[@NunoMorais89]

Hello, vey nice video. Please give me your advice: I currently have 2 Wifi 7 APs and a 16 port Pro Max Switch. I pretend por purchase a cloud gateway to truly take advantage of the Unifi ecosystem, and in the future probably I will get another 2/3 Wifi APs. I am currently upgrading my Internet fiber speed to 10Gb. What gateway do you recomend in order to talke advantage of the 10Gb at least for my desktop work station?

[@ApexOneTech]

That’s some fast internet! You’ll need a Unifi gateway that supports a 10G WAN connection. Then, you’ll need a 10G network switch. A minimum, the switch would be the USW-Flex-XG. $300. This one has the regular RJ45 Ethernet ports. Or, it’s easier to just get the Aggregation switch that has 10G SFP+ ports. This one you can connect directly to your Unifi Cloud Gateway. That’s what I would do. In terms of the cloud gateway that you need: at minimum UDM-Pro. That can handle 10g internet but only without threat detection. If you turn that on, it will go down to 3.5G. A UDM-Pro-Max will get you 5G with full threat detection. But if you want full speed 10g internet without compromise, you’re looking at the EFG. It’s a pretty $2k. store.ui.com/us/en/category/cloud-gateways-enterprise-scale/products/efg?a_aid=Apex&chan=yt

[@ApexOneTech]

Also, remember that you’ll need a 10gig port on your workstation as well.

[@NunoMorais89]

Thanks for you detailed answer. It seems that UDM Pro Max would be the way go. Just another question: I’ll just use the 10Gb in one or maximum 2 work stations. In this case I’ll still need the Aggregation Switch? Or I just can use the 10 SFP port of the UDM Pro Max directly to the workstation? Also my current USW 16 Pro Max POE has two 10Gb SFP ports, could I use one of them?

[@DarenVampire]

Hey, there is a question that I have been searching but have no answer to. I have a small home (100sqm), connected endpoints are: 1 laptop 1 PS5 1 TV 1 U7 Pro AP (Do I need an injector or anything) 3 G5 Turret Ultras My internet is giving me 3 gbps but I want to future proof in 5 years. There are 2 ways I can consider 1. ISP > UCG Max > 8 PoE switch > 3 G5 Turret Ultras + 1 U7 Pro Max AP 2. ISP > UDM Pro Special Edition > 3 G5 Turret Ultras + 1 U7 Pro Max AP I am not sure if this setup is deployable. Any help is appreciated!

[@ApexOneTech]

Either work as long as the PoE budget allows for it. Check the UDM Pro SE and the 8 PoE switch to see if the max PoE budget will power all your devices. Note that G5 Turret Ultra just needs PoE but the U7 Pro Max needs PoE+. One other thing, you'll only get 1.5Gbps internet with full threat detections turned on the UCG Max. UDM Pro SE will give you 3.5Gbps.

[@KrispKiwi]

i was gonna get this but then the heat was a nope

[@ApexOneTech]

It does get quite hot I noticed myself. But quality components inside means it should last.

[@ronescholz-nielsen3559]

I have the UCG-Max and U7 Pro Max on order - already have the 8-port Enterprise switch.. Perfect match with my Nuc gen12’s with 2.5G lan - looking forward to setting it all up. I currently have the gen1 Google wifi, which won’t cut if for my 1G wan and wifi 6/7 devices. Great video - keep em’ coming Bogdan :) greetings from Denmark

[@ApexOneTech]

Thanks for the feedback! That switch is a good match! I'm hoping that come out with a more affordable Enterprise 8 PoE type switch without the SFP+ ports.

[@GadgetBoyea]

I have the same Google gen1 setup and am looking at moving to U7 pro with UCG-Max. This was a helpful video

[@jeffrey8859]

Thanks for this video, can the interfaces of the CGM be configured with LACP ?

[@ApexOneTech]

no link aggregation with the UCG Max

[@nizmister]

What brand NVMe does the Max come with?

[@CorruptionInc1]

From the reviews I've seen they're Kingston. The particular model number wasn't provided.

[@sebastiansimon9737]

I have the UXG Max and the Cloud Key 2 and the (not the Cloud Gateway Max). Is that an equally good setup? If not, why? Both devices together have 1GB more than the Cloud gateway Max.

[@ApexOneTech]

The UCG Max at 1TB is $350 but the UXG Max and CloudKey+ at 1TB is $400. Spec wise, nearly all the same. So your setup might be more robust, and easier to upgrade components in the future, but for $350 all in one, the 1TB UCG Max seems pretty good.

[@_Trakman]

is there a 2.5Gbps switch with POE? I'm paying for 2000/2000, so don't want to limit myself to 1GbE

[@ApexOneTech]

Good thinking. Yes, there's the USW-Pro-Max-16-PoE and the USW-Enterprise-8-PoE

[@beyondearth6418]

@@ApexOneTech Overpriced, underwhelming toys. Go Mikrotik RB5009 or Netgate 4200, you won't regret it.

[@wackerman7259]

Great video.

[@ApexOneTech]

Thanks!

[@yotubemcka8601]

So how would the UCG cloud max handle 8 camera's and ips/ids on a 1Gb link with 8 users behind it. as Well as having 2-3 Wireguard VPN Connections. Is it powerful enough to handle all this. or should you look at something else..

[@ApexOneTech]

It can handle that. But be sure the UCG Max is not tucked away in a warm closet but in a cooled room. And, consider how you want that Protect data recorded. With 8 cameras, you definitely won’t get any significant 24/7 recordings. It would be recordings based on AI detections and motion. Btw, that happens on the camera itself.

[@pgee8702]

Protect now has a NAS storage option now...is the SSD required for this to work with the NAS

[@ApexOneTech]

Yeah. So far you can only archive, or export, to a NAS

[@cottagekeeper]

I have 27 mbps download. I want to replace my Linksys router what do you recommend? I also want to add cameras in the future.

[@ApexOneTech]

How much sqft do you need to cover? You might be okay with a UniFi Express (UX) and a CloudKey+ (for your NVR). It depends how many cameras you want to add. If you want an alternative to the UCG-Max, at your internet speed, you'll be fine with a UDR. There is a big limitation on the number of cameras though.

[@oliverp7375]

Get the UDR

[@L0rdLogan]

I upgraded to the UCG Max as I wanted the 2.5gb ports.... You can't LAG on Unifi gateways, so a UDMP was out of the question

[@ApexOneTech]

Yeah, I should've mentioned that. No UniFi gateways have port aggregation but nearly all the switches do except for USW-Flex, USW-Flex-Mini and USW-Ultra.

[@andressebatianVarela]

Hello, what do you recommend to improve the connection in a house? The Cloud Max, the Ultra, the Express? For home automation, cameras from other brands, online games? Etc. Thank you very much.

[@ApexOneTech]

Depends on many factors. First one starting with your internet speed. Reach out for more help.

[@vilikarac6776]

Protect is great if it only worked with 3rd party Cameras... Unifi bullet cams are too expensive imo..

[@ApexOneTech]

You can! Super limited but you can add 3rd party cameras that support ONVIF. Just released. See this video from @MactelecomNetworks kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5_Uinawitt3gNk

[@sourjyaguha]

i believe the NS $199 version will not come with the storage sled so you would not be able to put in storage unless there is custom built available in the market for cheap

[@ApexOneTech]

I heard the opposite, that there will be a sled but now I'm also reading that Ubiquiti is saying there won't be a sled for the non-storage option. We'll see once it actually comes out. I wish they would include the sled.

[@sourjyaguha]

@@ApexOneTech I am praying too as this would be perfect for our plans but knowing ubiquiti i am pretty sure they will put in a plastic flap instead of giving the sled - and charge 49 or 99 for the sled after, if at all.

[@Bishplz316]

speaking to ubiquiti threw emails about this, the NS option will not ship with a sled and there is not plans to sale a sled separately.

[@ApexOneTech]

@@Bishplz316 I think they fixed this. Tray will be available for $19 and support third-party storage. kzbin.infotj5S5r9umwg?feature=share

[@xcr00ks]

They have the 2.5g Max, now they need the 2.5g ultra switch.

[@ApexOneTech]

Their Pro-Max-16 is kinda a desk, or wall-mounted, switch. But yes, hopefully there can be a smaller, more affordable one. Maybe something similar to the Enterprise 8 PoE in terms of form factor.

[@1979SFC]

Im looking for a setup for home security. Im thinking 7 cameraes. 1 dorbell and 2 wifi routers.. my plan is using a CG max 1TB and a lite 16 pos switch. then there is ekstra ports for internet in rooms aswell. does it sound like a viable solution??

[@ApexOneTech]

If you only need Unifi for camera security, and not networking, you can consider the CloudKey+ or UNVR instead. The NVR is room for full size hard drives and can work with your existing, non-UniFi network. However, if you want ongoing full UniFi, this cloud gateway max would great. Just realize that if you turn on 24/7 recording on all the cameras you listed, the 1TB won’t give you much playback history. I haven’t put 7 cameras on the UCG Max yet so I can’t tell you how many days of footage you’ll get. But, if you’re okay with only recoding smart detections, then this would be a perfect solution.

[@ApexOneTech]

I should also mention, make sure you PoE switch will have enough PoE budget to support all your cameras and APs.

[@1979SFC]

@@ApexOneTech I also have 2 wifi ap and thinking of the doorbell

[@wolfgangk4952]

Hi. How you find the comparison table ?

[@ApexOneTech]

Go here and scroll to the bottom: ui.com/us/en/cloud-gateways

[@riad_ahmed]

can i buy the no storage option and install my own nvme without buying anymore addons?

[@ApexOneTech]

No. You’ll need to get UniFi’s $19 tray

[@JaphethStauffer]

So my current setup is a Zyxel USG110 router going to a 24 port POE switch, and from that comes out my Unifi Gen 1 Cloud key and 2 access points. Am I understanding that this UCG MAX would replace my Zyxel, and Cloud Key? If so, can I transfer my customizations I made to my Zyxel to this as I have a static IP and need to access things within my network from outside?

[@ApexOneTech]

Yes, it’ll replace your cloud key and your router. Just setup your cloud gateway max with the same settings or whatever settings you need. Since you’ll be replacing both your router and cloud key, I would set up the UCG Max from scratch. You can backup some UniFi application config files though if you’ll like and restore to the UCG Max.

[@JaphethStauffer]

@@ApexOneTech thank you!

[@wolfgangk4952]

Ok, i find . It`s a new topic

[@davidc5323]

Hi ,Can you use other switches with the UCG-MAX ?. I have 8 port netgear poe swtich and then convert my existing to asus router to access point via wifi or is it all proprietary to Unifi.

[@ApexOneTech]

Yeah, you definitely can. You just can't manage the third-party switch from the UniFi dashboard but you'll see the devices connected downstream. And, yes, also can add the Asus router as an access point. You'll have limitations though so eventually, you'll go down the UniFi rabbit hole and get all their equipment ;)

[@serogas5]

Will 512gb be anough to run only ring door notifications with video recordings ?

[@tonygerassi1502]

I have 6 G4 pros and 1 doorbell on a 8TB drive recording continuous. It can hold just over a months worth of footage. It means each TB hold about 4 days of footage, which means a TB could hold just under a month of 4k footage. which means 512GB should be able to hold around two weeks of 4k and around a month of 2k for a doorbell on continuous recording

[@ApexOneTech]

512gb get’s me 3 days continuous recordings with 2x 2k and 1x 4k cameras. So with one 2k doorbell, you’ll probably get 2 weeks I’m estimating.

[@serogas5]

Cool thanks. Im planning to buy without storage and insert one of my 2tb nvme memory. I think thst should be plenty for now with 1 camera and 1 door bells :) 😊​@ApexOneTech

[@j340_official]

Does it support more than 2 TB?

[@ApexOneTech]

I haven’t personally done so but I know others that have installed third party 4TB and it worked without an issue.

[@shadow_kamui22]

HI one question I know ubiquity sells option up to 2TB but I wonder if I get the none storage and I have a 4TB NVMe will it recognize it? I know some times some devices are limited on how much storage they can recognize

[@ApexOneTech]

I've already read that someone just did that without an issue. I can't guarantee it though. Just buy the same type of NVMe, a quality one, and it should work.

[@shadow_kamui22]

@@ApexOneTech thanks

[@gregsonberlin3782]

@@ApexOneTech So the rumor is wrong that the no-storage version wouldn‘t have an ssd-latch?

[@ApexOneTech]

​@@gregsonberlin3782 It will not come with a SSD tray but Ubiquiti will sell a tray for the no-storage variant.

[@dnldnl4880]

I’m looking at removing my netgear mesh and going unifi my biggest concern is need one AP that is not wired back to the the network 2 AP can have wired backhall but one need to be in mesh mode and I want to keep all AP u7 is possible any ideas?

[@ApexOneTech]

U6-Extender would be easiest at $150 but of course is not U7. All UniFi APs basically do mesh. U6-Mesh also great option. No idea if UI is coming out with U7 versions. But consider if you really need that in the first place. If you really do, you should be able to power on the U7-Pro and mesh it.

[@davidealbiero]

In case of CGU, when I enable IDS/IPS, I am limited to 1Gbps but is it a limit for each lan port, or on the wan?

[@Aerith17]

All ports are 1gbps. So, yes :)

[@ApexOneTech]

The LAN ports are 1G on the UCG-Ultra so it won't matter.

[@philtoy9241]

Can NAT be disabled?

[@ApexOneTech]

Depends on your ISP. There’s internet settings on UCG Max to set it up with appropriate VLAN ID or whatever else your ISP needs to bypass their router. Unfortunately, sometimes it’s hard to get that info from the ISP.

[@freestylesystemsTV]

Why, why, why doesn't it include PoE??? It's just stupid not to have it... Ugh

[@Sh4veD4ve]

Adding PSE would increase internal heat a LOT - it would likely self-destruct. The power transformers in particular for PSE are the primary problem - they usually need some sort of heat dissipation on them.

[@ApexOneTech]

Yeah this max already runs really hot. At least with the current software .

[@pbrigham]

Synolgy do NOT has 2.5GB connections, yeah you can connect both 1GB of the Nas to 2 ports 1GB on the switch and use one of the 2.5GB ports on the switch to connect to yours computer 2.5GB port, you will get 2GB ( 1GB + 1GB ) from the NAS if you have Multichannel active. The other option is to pay an arm and and a leg fro the Synology 10GB network adapter.

[@ApexOneTech]

Yes, that's one option. I meant the latter: getting the 10 gig adapter but just using it up to 2.5. Why? Because 2.5 is enough 99% of the time.

[@pbrigham]

@@ApexOneTech Synology do NOT have 2.5 Nics, you can connect the 2 ports of the Synology NAS ( 1gb + 1gb ) to the switch and have a max of 2 GB in multichannel if yours computer has a 2.5GB Nic.

[@drivewayjunkie]

Anyone notice theirs getting hot?

[@ApexOneTech]

What’s the internal temp you’re seeing?

[@danightryder]

If only it had POE. Missed opportunity in my opinion

[@ApexOneTech]

Would probably be difficult to package and manage heat

[@bluearcherx]

they forgot rule number 1, never give away feet for free

[@beyondearth6418]

I'm so sad and disappointed to see this device. It would have been perfect, if it wasn't for its software suite which horribly lacks modern traffic SHAPING capability that other devices such as the Mikrotik routers via RouterOS, and Netgate via pfSense+, or EdgeRouter (UISP) offer out of the box. For me, to be unable to fine tune my own network traffic other than by setting hard limits is unacceptable. So I will never buy into this underwhelming ecosystem until Ubiquiti/UniFi ups its game.