Ignition #82 GRAND FINALS - TSM | ZeRo [W] (Lucina) vs Ned [L] (Cloud)

[@space-majin2972]

ZeRo's reaction time to every option people throw out is inhuman.

[@doonified]

the man spends legit all the time he has on this game, beside YT. He is considered the best in the game. of course he's gonna be fucking spider man on the field

[@Josh_ua]

Year late response but I think it's a mix of reaction time and being able to adapt and read to what your opponent will do.

[@totalishnc]

Zero's Lucina is art in motion

[@matthewmeeks9802]

Lucina has no tipper, at no point was zero spacing for a tipper. It doesn't exist

[@SerFloortje]

Matthew Meeks technically she has tipper hitboxes on downsmash DB and a few others... but they don't do jack shit and sometimes screw Lucina up due to launch angle

[@394bowser]

That's very interesting. I always thought the complete opposite since Leo always crushes people with that tipper f-smash/f-air/side-B

[@zachmac3824]

Pha Tsaur He didn't say he didn't space for it. He clearly does. He just doesn't expect everything he wants to tipper, so he reacts rather than planning for the tipper. But yes, this is why Lucina is used at all. Personally, I prefer her.

[@ReverseLogic0]

yeah every time they mentioned it I just get a little bit more agitated at their lack of knowledge

[@alexli223]

Matthew Meeks we need to have more Lucina players to spread the knowledge. But I can kinda understand since Lucina dair can meteor spike if hit in the exact middle of the blade. That might be what they are referring to.

[@NesuProps]

You noticed ZeRo no longer needs to pick-up Diddy Kong to counter Cloud, this is when the other top players have to worry, when an underrated character like Lucina easily took set off on top tier characters.

[@ShinyKelp]

I don't think Lucina is underrated anymore. I usually see her be put at around 15th close to Marth which is pretty fair if you ask me.

[@nickh4676]

Zero's a badass.

[@Ze33roX]

Zero's Diddy *ResidentSleeper* Zero's Lucina *Kreygasm*

[@DirePlot]

ZeRo's Diddy *Kreygasm* ZeRo's Lucina *Kreygasm*

[@linguicaguy]

Stocke ZeRo *Kreygasm*

[@Axeman3000]

Stocke Ally *Kreygasm*

[@Castorxd635]

I don't know why but ZeRo's Lucina gets me hyped. Now I want to pick her even if this makes me look like a For Glory scrub.

[@Krissj100]

Dayum, ZeRo's Lucina bodying one of the best Clouds, I really hope we'll see ZeRo use Lucina more in big tournaments as well, and against other top players than Ally.

[@ShinyKelp]

Krissj100 Ned is like 5th best, but he's quite far from the other 4. And yet, he took a set from zero before komo and tweek (with cloud) could.

[@pog7547]

Zero is too good

[@ryngtolu4334]

Who is ZeRo? I thought this guy was persistent blade.

[@nathansims2461]

Lucina has no tipper.....I'm callin some fake news here boys.

[@Thelolzorbots]

it's an alternative fact

[@zeng58]

Nathan Sims she has a tip but it’s a little shorter

[@rumpleforeskin7032]

set of the year is zero and tsu

[@ShinyKelp]

Zero vs Ranai, 2017 version

[@Niceguyhidden]

Rumple Foreskin Doubles set of the year is ZeRo/Nairo vs Captain Zack/Pink Fresh at Royal Flush GF

[@finklemeire603]

These commentators really love Ned don't they

[@pendalink]

Finkle Meire Ned's their boy

[@finklemeire603]

I could tell with Ned's buster sword so far up their asses

[@GravityFree29]

Finkle Meire ngl. Ned is my boy lol.

[@finklemeire603]

Tom Wdovech nothing wrong with that lol. Just seemed to largely be Zero does something good - Neds not far behind Ned does something good - that was amazing Not very close - ZeRo may be ahead but Neds bringing it back!!! Maybe tone down the bias a little nothing wrong with preferring one player over another especially when Ned's been around longer

[@GravityFree29]

Finkle Meire to be fair, ned kind of got bopped. you see that easily. so there's no point in me saying the obvious while commentating haha. I was trying to point out what he was doing well in a bleak situation. there was a moment where ned and zero were both in shield and zero was faster on the grab by a few frames. he really was ahead of ned just enough the whole set to make it look one sided. Ned played well although he lost. zero just had his number.

[@martinluther123]

0:26 This guy is on the fucking money. Give this man a beer. I've been saying that since I saw that match, glad someone agrees.

[@Sud0wood0]

Ignition's probably the only local tourney i watch consistently now. Layout's nice and all the commentators are good

[@Ze33roX]

No MSM? :(

[@mmoxz2366]

Spencer Holmes LOL These comentators are pure ass at least for this set

[@Xerion1]

Lucina is about to ride Zero's back to the top of the tier list lol

[@TheMrmike12]

Casually watching this set again almost 5 years later

[@Wrecklessomar]

I come across so many Lucina's on For Glory nowadays thanks to Zero haha :)

[@SamurottProductions1]

Wrecklessomar The last time I was on FG, it was infested with Marth players, and that was even before the rise of Leo...oh gosh

[@NipahAllDay]

Wrecklessomar I hope you weren't referring to me

[@joshttale]

Wrecklessomar yeah, and even if you've played her for as long as i have, you just know ppl are gonna assume you're bandwagoning, but in the end it rly doesn't matter

[@sonicloud7774]

Zero is GOD TIER.

[@JCAST98]

Ally is screwed lmao

[@kingnellyboi6303]

Not Interested ally took a set last week

[@pjbutter8284]

Sam Adam ZeRo is up against Ally 2-1 with lucina though

[@kingnellyboi6303]

PhillyChezSteakums yeah so if they are trading sets then how is he screwed? Zero usually has a perfect record against the top 10 so ally is by far his hardest opponent

[@pjbutter8284]

Sam Adam I never said he was screwed. I just think ZeRo will start winning more of their sets because of marios struggle against swords. Ally proved he can beat ZeRo's lucina but it does mean ZeRo won't lose to Ally every time now. It's more of a toss up now in terms of who will win.

[@kingnellyboi6303]

PhillyChezSteakums All I said was ally took a set last week to show that he wasn't necessarily "screwed". I thought you were defending the fact that he is "screwed" since u replied to my factual statement that "ally took a set 3-1" by saying zero is up in sets

[@MrHaifresse]

Damn Ned is actually fucking good...

[@MrHaifresse]

But Zero... is Zero...

[@Suikoden7thst]

why does the dude talk about tipper

[@pog7547]

Godfather Suikoden because he's a shit commentator

[@Xerion1]

Welp, prepare for the reign of Lucina to begin.

[@sircadet9035]

Soo that why there a lot of crappy lucain in fg lately.

[@xenophacilus5895]

People are saying Lucina was nerfed hard in Smash Ultimate... hopefully this doesn't stop Zero from using her... I know I'm not gonna stop maining her

[@LifeTechni800]

Xenophacilus who’s saying that ? Everyone’s tier list has her and Marth at top tier I think we’re good

[@xenophacilus5895]

There was this video called "50 more changes in Smash Ultimate". The comments, when I read it, were talking about how nerfed Bowser Jr., Luigi, and Lucina are.

[@LifeTechni800]

Xenophacilus really? I’ll have to check the video out. Top players like ZeRo, Nairo, Abadango, Dabuz, and Marcbri all have Marth and Lucina at top tier in their early tier lists www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/9vchd6/i_combined_zeros_nairos_abadangos_and_dabuzs/?st=JOG5VGWZ&sh=4c8cd484

[@JunoAndIce]

One of the commentators sounds like he's biased against ZeRo.

[@Niceguyhidden]

Juno and Ice Does he? As a ZeRo supporter I didn't notice that

[@L3thalShad0ws7]

ZeRo's Lucina is so clean it's filthy Thought I was on Brazzers for a minute

[@Geeving2130]

How do people still not know Lucina has no tipper?

[@awsom98]

zeros Lucina is soooo amazing the offstage play is so precise

[@brendonromo3910]

I once thought that Ally is better than Zero, now I am double checking that again due to his recent placings.

[@depressedkermit5337]

What controller do most of these guys prefer using ?

[@lom1991]

GameCube

[@jamesherce1333]

gets ad for smash ultimate. Casuals playing freeforall with joycons. REEEEEEEEEE

[@jadduck]

Bye, Marth. Hi, Lucina.

[@MCWaxC]

That first match was so fucking good.

[@jaykeaston23]

This set was so clean

[@MrCalexv12]

Great another Ignition grand final I can't wait to see who ZeR0 beats his ass Oh! it's Ned! maybe he can bring this back! Aaaaand it's another 3-0 in 8 minutes

[@kevingrullon2796]

GG

[@IinesySankka]

This is inspiring

[@Bernkastel1]

Hes SO good omfg

[@mob3482]

Mfw I was thinking about going to this as my first tournament

[@trixietruelove2274]

This is entertaining

[@lolkuuja1612]

B L A C K N A I R O !

[@Cameruptsauvage]

Lucina and Cloud are the bests

[@zeng58]

Pro controller or GameCube controller guys I need your help please

[@taylorgalloway2579]

So do guys think zero has the best lucina rn? Im not 100% sure but zero has already better results with lucina than the lucina mains like neko, etc..

[@DirePlot]

It's clearly the best. Never even heard of Neko, that's how irrelevant he is.

[@ShiningZero]

Taylor Galloway Zero is the only smash player getting good results by wining tournaments with lucina not to mention destroying Ally. I watched that losers set and Ally was Zero's Lucina play thing

[@Hypno-68674]

Taylor Galloway With each character there is a certain margin of skill between the very best, and the second best player of that character. Sometimes the margin is small, such as between MKLeo and Komo for cloud. Other times it is blatant, such as Esam being the best pikachu. No one else comes close. And out of all of those margins, the difference between Zero's lucina and the second best Lucina is perhaps the most gaping margin of all. It almost even seems silly that you would ask. Without a doubt he is the best Lucina and all the other Lucina players have a huge amount of catching up too do. It almost seems unfair how quickly Zero can master a character, but hey, it's Zero. That's what he does.

[@AKmacintosh]

Hey, this Zero guy is pretty good.

[@jamescorrigan2572]

My fellow Lucina main won

[@ICKFEARLESS]

when he ran past clouds bair.. who the fuck has the balls to do that shit

[@EphYxRS]

Zero is a fucking legend i love him

[@Mr-ci9vv]

i Feel like zero felt in love with lucina

[@Cheesesteakfreak]

Ned is free. ZeRo only used his secondary.

[@RandomGuy-hb4ee]

JW Money You're free too

[@gordonramsey1716]

aint expect nothing but more negative comments from you tbh but ned did get bodied.

[@finklemeire603]

Gordon Ramsey would you say Ned's loss was RAW?

[@ImpossibleCarl69]

Ned isn't free. ZeRo lost to him using his main.

[@carlosmunozbastias4358]

JW Money Ned has beaten ZeRo's Diddy and Falcon too

[@rapidcola9465]

So is LUCINA top tier now? :/

[@MatthewManney]

Yea u got a problem with my waifu BRO?!?!

[@Cloudedbyash]

The sad thing is Lucina still isn't god tier. I can see her being bumped up to A, but the fact that ZeRo can take advantage of a lower tier character so much is amazing

[@mmoxz2366]

Asher Rwakiseeta Lucina has always been high tier shes not a lower tier char just an underrated one

[@jjstatic102]

Asher Rwakiseeta tf lucina ain't no lower tier she damn well like marth

[@matt-dr4fk]

2:20 Lord Whoop A$$ lmao

[@0110-c2t]

"marcina"

[@brexs364]

No way xD

[@Paul-we5zs]

I didn't know Hitler commentated smash 0:00

[@alvaroouilliouxmorales3270]

cloud is so boring, except for m2king obviously

[@Igumshmush]

What does mew2king's cloud to differently than other clouds?

[@gogomarioloshi]

Igumshmush the premature use of limit

[@josephdouglas5242]

Was that sarcasm? Because to me M2k's Cloud is the most boring Cloud to watch out there. All he does is run away and charge limit. At least Ned was trying to get in there.

[@KendallHawkins]

What about MKLeo Cloud

[@ShiroTheHero]

You should watch some Komo

[@XyzCloud]

Zero can only use Diddy Kong.

[@gogomarioloshi]

im not sure if this is a joke or not.

[@XyzCloud]

That's the fun.

[@krmunoz2169]

Yeah that's what they said pre-nerf diddy, funny how it came to be most main diddy just disappeared and zero remained.

[@randychiu1162]

gr8 b8 m8

[@StarlessTube]

go home ned :)