The Consciousness of Appearance | The Gay Science #5 (I.45 - I.56)

[@anthonyduval3191]

You bring more to my life than my Netflix and HBO subscriptions. You deserve to make a living out of this

[@Shahzebfaheem]

Same here. Lately i find netflix boring compared to our mutual friend here.

[@untimelyreflections]

Thank you. Amor fati, my friend

[@scriptgaming1143]

Exactly, I can't wait to start earning and support as well. This channel deserves it.

[@yeyohuevonhassassin2]

I totally agree with this.

[@languagegame410]

love the artwork, Keeg... they let me out of the windowless soundproof padded room once a week to consume content copiously from the Nietzsche Podcast Guy!!

[@ericmanbeck6099]

I'm fairly new to philosophy, and a slightly unsure where to begin with nietzsche, But I've listened to the first 4 parts of this and I've been enjoying the series

[@gus8310]

Start earlier in the podcast. In the later episodes he refers to past ideas he spoke of. It’ll be easier to follow along when you get Nietzsches basic ideas of his philosophy down.

[@untimelyreflections]

Glad its helping to facilitate your entry into the wonderful world of Nietzsche

[@yeyohuevonhassassin2]

I good starting point I think would be his essay, on truth and lies in the extramoral sense, and understanding a bit of Kants trascendental easthetics, a bit of Hegel, not reading them exactly but understanding their ideas, also being a little knowledged in plato and in the bible, the thing is Nietzches work almost all critiques all the morality of previous philosophers and tries to reconcile human instincts with a philosphy more keen to Homer and the Romans, something more healthy for the human soul.

[@sb5421]

I will always love you for recording “The Birth of Tragedy” in its entirety-an impressive undertaking!-and for doing such a good job of it: in general, your reading is very good-though, certainly, Nietzsche’s consciously exuberant (sometimes manic, occasionally neurotic) language helps. Your recording, I have listened to some dozen times, perhaps more. I have not read _ The Gay Science_ and will be slow in following you farther into Nietzsche. At present, I read and reread both _Beyond Good and Evil_ and _The Genealogy of Morals_ fiercely and frequently, usually flipping over the book and turning back to the first page as soon as I reach the last-a procedure that I will probably continue until I have fully digested the work. In BG&E, Nietzsche talks about the need for “rumination,” saying that he and others like him can digest in hours what most people would take months or years to process. Alas, no Nietzsche, it will perhaps be a lifetime before fully I comprehend any of his works. They are tightly wrapped and, as he says of all great works, require of their readers a long time to unfold-(but I begin to mix metaphors!) I give you my blessing; it is a Nietzschean one-“Health!”

[@untimelyreflections]

Thanks! I also did a readthrough of Beyond Good and Evil that can supplement your reading also.

[@abcrane]

I think here, regarding the misconstruing of what it is to be "epicurean," of primary vs secondary drives, or primary vs secondary emotions. Primary "instinctual/emotional expression" vs secondarization of those drives when influenced with either ideas and/or emotions ABOUT those instincts or emotions. This is called ambivalence, for example, the shame of felling pleasure, or the fear of feeling anger. The healthy epicurean comes from a place of primary drives and emotions, they enjoy pleasure without compulsion to do so, they are not addicts of excess nor "addicts of denial." (an ascetic can be healthy or pathological in their asceticism based on the reasons for doing so, pragmatic vs dogmatic). Wilhelm Reich, if anyone, showed us how to heal our primary drives, restore them, and when his patients were restored, I believe, they became true epicureans. The essence of the epicurean is "unarmored"-whether happy or sad, content or angry, contemplative or festive. It is not the emotion itself, but its freed up expression, its flow, that makes for the Epicurean Way.

[@zchularoceribfjan]

Great comment 🙂.

[@untimelyreflections]

Interesting comment!

[@diegof8239]

Great timing and pacing with these. Can read first, check your interpretations and then go back. Thanks man 👏

[@languagegame410]

couldn't agree more!!... just listening to the subjective perspectival exegesis would be sssso... (un)Nietzschean... one must read & think for oneself, listen to theKEEG, and then come to one's own opinions... free spirit-style and ssssssssuch.

[@daemon-dw1ns]

This is an ASMR channel dude relax

[@PeterGregoryKelly]

About forgiveness. I've always thought of forgiveness not as something done to a trespasser but to the aggrieved to themselves. The forgiven does not need to know or even be alive.

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

The visual representation of our suroundings is not only generated by attributing a certain color sensation to certain wavelenghts of litght, our field of sharp vision is actually tiny and compensated by rapid scanning to create a picture that is mostly clear, our brain also processes as little data as possible from the eyes and assumes the rest based on expirience to create a vrtual reality that is "good enough" to operate in the world

[@brendanerickson2363]

Can’t wait for the next season! Thanks so much for the great content!

[@Villainilla]

I'm early to class today :D Thanks for another breakdown for me to chew on!

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You are brilliant man, thank you so much

[@AGamer1177]

Nietzsche might had called himself an anti systemic philosopher (as there isn't any grand plan or all-encompassing philosophy Nietzsche puts forward even if he might have wanted to). Here is however threads of thought and ideas that are interwoven throughout his books and make their way into the core of other thinkers (Foucault, Wittgenstein, Freud, Jung, et al).

[@whoaitstiger]

Just after the German surrender in 1945 Jared Diamond's father-in-law Jozef Nabel apprehended the man who killed his family in the Holocaust, holding him at gunpoint. He overcame his desire for personal revenge and spared his life. The man was later imprisoned for just one year and then released. According to Jared, Jozef was apparently psychologically tormented for the rest of his life by his decision not to take revenge on the murderer. A very haunting example of human psychology. One wonders what Nietzsche would have to say about this tragic situation.

[@veerswami7175]

Oh shiva that's very painful to read mate he atleast chooped his hand or finger atleast

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

This is an interesting point of view. On the other hand how are we to know that if he _had_ killed him he wouldn't have been tormented for the rest of his life by his _inability to grant mercy,_ wondered eternally why he was so weak, and questioned if he wasn't better than those on the other end of the gun? In other words, how do we know that this man, because of what he went through, wasn't destined to be tormented regardless?

[@whoaitstiger]

@@Laotzu.Goldbug I tend to agree with you, and I think the issue wasn't so much that he made a bad decision that lead to trauma. A Jewish person living through the Holocaust period is all but guaranteed to have received extreme, heartrending trauma. Rather than that I suspect it was simply that he tragically wasn't as able to process the trauma as well as some other survivors were. Viktor Frankl went into depth on this subject. Either way, an awful situation for the poor man to go through and I hope he was able to find some degree of peace.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

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[@javedsumra5918]

Thanks!

[@XanDionysus]

I don't think there could ever be a "redemption from revenge" as there will always be some moralistic outlook that people will hold that can never even affirm the negative aspects of life.

[@YoungAdonise]

Hello, I don’t know if you answer questions, but does Nietzsche believe there is no absolute, or that we as human can never contact the absolute?

[@untimelyreflections]

Define “absolute”

[@YoungAdonise]

@@untimelyreflections Absolute as in the truth- reality as it is in itself.

[@Impaled_Onion-thatsmine]

​​​ that's not that difficult the historicity of the phenomology of time as a metaphysic in your personal life and they bots ahead of yourself with histrionic affect that nullifies an absolute ideal of the future reality

[@XanDionysus]

@@YoungAdonise No. Nietzsche rejects Plationistic "forms", or any Kantian "thing-in-itself". Truth to Nietzsche is "a mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms". A "semantic invention" to put it more bluntly.

[@kennethanderson8827]

Dumb comedy over. My Wissenschaft hard cover edition was in a shipped box when I arrived at home from work (what work?) today. It is hardcover, large pages so thin binding (!), and beautiful. Goddamn I need some beauty in my life right now. To Keegan, his wife Amberly, and ALL of you epic fellow benevolent weirdos Out There who love this podcast like me, thank you for being Alive. Odelay. 🌚🌒🌑🌗🌓🌕🌝

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[@melisizwedingiswayo1912]

Bruh... I appreciate the the work... I have a question for you, if you're into hip-hop but what do you think Nietzsche would say about the war between Kendrick and Drake

[@untimelyreflections]

I don’t know enough about it to really comment

[@melisizwedingiswayo1912]

You should definitely look it up whenever you're free coz I feel like Nietzsche would definitely find Kendrick's artistry interesting

[@wkb9211]

Kendricks what Nietzsche criticizes imo

[@melisizwedingiswayo1912]

You think so? I think that Nietzsche could probably would find something to criticize in him... But at the same time I think he would consider Kendrick a 'noble soul'... That man was ready to go to hell to be considered to be the best in Hip-hop

[@xxmsp91]

Nietzsche might not like it, but reading his works was kinda like a religious experience for me so. Hah. Checkmate Frederick.