UPDATED REVIEW 2.0 | Honeycomb Bravo Throttle + Airbus Throttle Pack | Good & Suggested Improvements

#Honeycomb #Bravo #BravoQuadrant
00:00 Intro
00:37 The Good
06:41 Some Room for Improvement
08:58 Axis Levers
12:28 Airbus Throttle Pack
13:45 Conclusion
----About----
Well SimFans, it has been a little over 4 months since I received the wonderful Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant so I wanted to give an updated review of this magnificent piece of sim hardware. Even though there are a few things that Honeycomb Aeronautical could do to improve this device, overall it is the best flight sim hardware for the money you can buy!!
Come join me as I go over the good, the options, and the few things where this is room for improvement.
Thanks SimFans and Blue skies!!
----Links/References----
Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant: flyhoneycomb.com/collections/...
Airbus Throttle Pack: flyhoneycomb.com/collections/...
Honeycomb Bravo Software: flyhoneycomb.com/pages/drivers
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[@AcesDwn1]

Yup! Have to concur with your assessment! Haven't had mine as long as you've had yours, but I haven't found anything that you didn't cover already! Brilliant! Thanks for the review update!

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you for watching and for commenting Aces! Blue skies my friend!!

[@athgt6630]

Really great review. Thanks. Finally some constructive feedback comments for improvement. I am sure honeycomb is listening.

[@gerryarmstrong5654]

Fantastic review, have picked up a lot of info I didn't know before. Many thanks 👍🏻

[@SimFanatic]

Well hello Garry Armstrong! Thank you for watching and I appreciate the comment; glad you found my video useful. Cheers!

[@AviationMaster]

Great video! I’m getting it in a couple weeks, it was useful to know this information.

[@SimFanatic]

Hey there AviationMaster, happy to hear you liked the video. Thank you for watching and for commenting. You're are going to absolutely love the Bravo; great to hear you will have it in just a couple of weeks! Blue Skies!!

[@donc9751]

I love watching everything about using the the Honeycomb yoke and throttle quadrant! Between X Plane 11 and msfs 2020 I'm still experimenting on my settings, mainly those 7 switches on the throttle just below the autopilot control buttons and dials. Trying to determine which are the best or most useful settings to bind those to! Thanks for keeping us updated and continuing to share your knowledge and experience! It's really helpful to noobs like myself!!! 👍 PS: Your audio sounds just fine!!!

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you Don, I really appreciate your views and comments. You are most welcome for the content; glad you find it helpful! I'm always happy to help fellow SimFans like yourself; Blue Skies!!

[@jasonemery8375]

Good info again. Just ordered my new levers for the A320/319 in the Uk. £79.99 not bad at all. Thanks for the info

[@Meza240]

Really great review. Thanks.

[@SimFanatic]

Well thank you @Meza240 ! I appreciate the comment and the view. Cheers and Blue Skies to you!!

[@ponchantos]

Holy ****. I just ordered the whole unit alpha and bravo. I didn't realize they were that good.

[@SimFanatic]

How do you like them Dennis? Great gear, right? Cheers!

[@DeltaTristar500]

Excellent review and now I need one

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you Bill, I highly recommend it. :) Blue Skies!

[@CristiNeagu]

8:36 That's actually realistic. Not only should you be using the electric trim switches on the yoke in a 737, but the trim wheel also needs to move a lot. Just look at a video of a real 737 cockpit and see just how fast that trim wheel is whizzing around.

[@ThereWillBeCake]

I just got mine. It is amazing :) Thought I'd share I am not using the clamps as my desk has a cross bar in the front. So I am only using the sticky base plate and I am very impressed. It is on a wooden desktop and does not move at all. Very handy and clever design.

[@SimFanatic]

Hi R4Z0R, thank you for watching and for commenting! Great to know that the base plate works well, I always wondered about that and have never tried it. Thank you for sharing so others know. Cheers and Blue Skies!!

[@kndub535]

Nice review! I currently have the Thrustmaster TCA throttle quadrant and have been enjoying it but the versatility of this product is amazing. I bought one and will be receiving it in a couple weeks. it will definitely be replacing my current setup mainly for the functionality.

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you for watching and for commenting. That's awesome you will be getting one, you're going to absolutely love it! I love your YT name btw!!

[@kndub535]

@@SimFanatic Haha Thank you!

[@xerondenver]

WELL DONE

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you!

[@blacknass1943]

wow realy nice Thanks !

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you Blacknass for watching and commenting. Blue Skies!

[@natedogg7376]

Love the Bravo TQ! I think the selector knob aspects should have been lit by LED when your on that function the other AP functions are, I fly with the lights low in the room so some soft lighting to indicate would have been nice along with the white paint on the indicator knob. i know this really depends on your setup but I find the 7 rocker switches kinda not useful. I would have rather seen a screen that shows AP functions like a multi panel. Always use the rubber covers, over time you'll have dust/debris down in there and may affect function. Great review love Alpha, Bravo waiting on Charlie!

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you for watching and for commenting Natedogg73! I agree with your comments completely (including the rocker switches). Blue skies buddy! Hope to see you on a livestream soon!

[@stepansoukup8571]

12:39 I am pretty sure you switched the flap lever and the speed brake (the flap lever has the friction lock) but otherwise, great and informative review!

[@SimFanatic]

Lol....GREAT CATCH! You are absolutely correct, I did have them backwards. Thank you for watching and for commenting. Blue skies!!

[@rohoroyarrington3224]

The audio was fine. Nice rundown. I have the same opinion on the quadrant. Great for the price. my only issue is that the nose gear green light has stopped working. the red in transit light works and the main gear green works but no nose gear. it stopped after one of the latest updates. I haven't contacted honeycomb yet for tech support. see you on the livestream

[@SimFanatic]

Hey Roho, thank you for watching and for commenting! That stinks about your nose gear light not working. Wonder if the led light failed hardware-wise? Hopefully not. Strange it happened after an update though so maybe it isn't a hardware issue. Keep us posted if/when you open a ticket with Honeycomb. Good luck my friend!

[@oxOsicknessOxo]

I got mine not so long ago, I gotta say that it's the best value for the money. My only criticism would be about the control lever's quality. Compared to the rest of the unit, it does feel cheap and mine came with a boeing throttle 1 that is somewhat loose. I've seen aftermarket control levers for the bravo selling online, might try these somedays. Other than that, the whole unit is all you need combine it with the alpha and a good set of rudder pedals and you're in for some fun.

[@SimFanatic]

Hi and thanks for watching and for commenting. I completely agree on your comment regarding the levers. After my 2.0 review, I noticed a couple of levers that the paint started peeling off. I opened a ticket with Honeycomb and to their credit, they were quick to send me replacement levers. So that was nice. Blue Skies!

[@everettrailfan]

Same here, my throttle #1 lever is just a little loose making it a little easier to slip into the detent.

[@pwatsonuk]

Got mine yesterday and the very first thing I noticed, before even putting it on the desk, was the lack of a white ident on the AP function knob!

[@SimFanatic]

Yeah, eventually you will just have to rely on feel I have found. Thanks for watching and for commenting. Blue skies my friend!!

[@OfficialRedDirtNurse]

Honeycomb missed an opportunity to add a dual push-button rotary (like the Knobster) to this product. It would've been an awesome addition.

[@SimFanatic]

Great point! That would have been a good addition to their awesome product. Maybe with a new version of their Bravo unit, say 2.0? :-) Thank you for watching and for posting. Blue skies!

[@pureracekarting6164]

I’m sorry this may be a dumb question but at 4:28 dose it come with those cus I am thinking of getting this but idk if I need to get the airbus lever pack

[@SimFanatic]

Hi there TTV, not a dumb question at all. The Airbus throttling pack is additional cost and doesn't come with the quadrant. However, it did come with Boeing-like levers. Thank you for watching and for commenting. Blue skies!!

[@MsCirca143]

i used a white paint marker on the knobs.

[@bradenweyenberg7271]

Waiting for the latest re-stock to get one! 🙏🏼

[@SimFanatic]

Good luck Braden, you are going to love it! Thank you for watching and for commenting!

[@huethedev6537]

Anyone knows when the next stock is coming in?

[@jackvegt1042]

I love the Bravo, but miss the typical Airbus detent clicks. For the A320 I use the Thrustmaster package.

[@SimFanatic]

Yeah, for the serious Airbus fans I bet the Thrustmaster TCA package is the way to go! It's nice to have the levers for the Bravo for the little I fly the bus. :) Thank you for watching and for commenting. Blue skies!!

[@joshrogers7818]

U got the flaps and spoilers mixed up, other than that great vid

[@kennethray7319]

Again, good video; however, switching out is the easy part. My question is did you figure out how to program all the buttons? I have ALT, VS and HDG all good; however CAS and IAS still elude me.

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you for watching and for commenting my friend! I have not yet tried programming CAS or IAS. What aircraft are you using? I have noticed that it can depend on the aircraft and system it has. Blue Skies!

[@abbynormal7389]

Good show. I still cant get the autopilot buttons setup and working for the Cessna172.

[@SimFanatic]

Lol on your YT name. :-D Thank you for watching and for commenting. That's strange on the AP not working for the 172. To be honest, I haven't tried it for the 172 since I have several Payware aircraft so I will try it and let you know. Does the Autopilot work on other aircraft? Take care and blue skies!!!

[@FBWFTW]

Great video! I take it you’ve not flown many Airbus aircraft 😂 You put the flaps and reverses backwards.

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you for watching and for commenting Yup, I certainly had the flaps and reverses backwards lol!! Great catch! :-D

[@bTusler]

Great video, Mine works good in X-Plane 11 but in new MSFS, the last rocker on the right turns on my GPS and Radios even though it is completely un-selected in controls, the trim wheel works but does not turn in the sim, I have the bridge in the community folder and even if I go into Task manager with the sim running I get no lights. and the buttons on the top of the yoke show in controls but I cannot assign them to anything.

[@SimFanatic]

Hi there Bernie, thank you for watching and for commenting! So for MSFS, please be sure you run the latest driver installer that you can pick up here: flyhoneycomb.com/pages/drivers . For MSFS, the installer will actually install files in your user profile in Windows (so additional files need to be installed outside of your community folder). Hope this helps. Blue skies!!

[@bTusler]

@@SimFanatic Thanks, I completely unselected all the buttons, started from scratch and reassigned everything and now it works. It even works so, so in FSX.

[@SimFanatic]

@@bTusler You are most welcome! Happy to hear that worked! Cheers!!

[@mason19548]

So your saying that you have to have the flight control yoke for the LED's to work on the throttle?

[@SimFanatic]

Hi Wayne, not at all. The LED lights should work fine without the Alpha.

[@BeechBaronG58.]

does the throttle quadrant works with flight simulator 2006 year?

[@SimFanatic]

Hello BE 58, my apologies for the delayed response. Given I no longer have Flight Simulator 2006 installed, I cannot say if the Bravo Throttle Quadrant with work with this version of flight simulator. My guess is some of the axis may work, but I would be surprised if all the features work. If you check the support page on Honeycomb's site, they have drivers for MSFS 2020 and FSX, Prepar3d, and X-Plane, but no mention of any MSFS versions earlier than FSX. So again, I can't confirm if the throttle quadrant works, but my guess is at the very least you will not have all the capabilities for the product for the 2006 version. Sorry that I can't be much more help on this. Good luck and Blue Skies!!

[@PeterNGloor]

If you say the trim wheel works very well - how do you get it to work in the first place? Mine does not work. How can you fine-tune it?

[@SimFanatic]

Assume you are referring to it not working in MSFS? If so, be sure it is mapped in the controller settings.

[@PeterNGloor]

@@SimFanatic there are only two settings available - elevator trim up and down. I have assigned them according to the book. Unfortunately there is no sensitivity you could adjust - that works only for the control surfaces, not for trim.

[@SimFanatic]

@@PeterNGloor That is correct, the trim wheel really acts as buttons rather than an axis.

[@MustafaGT]

Man I love the Bravo except for one small thing. The knob sizes are made for baby hands. Really don’t know why they made it so small. Hopefully they make some that are more average size.

[@SimFanatic]

Agreed! Thank you for watching and for commenting. Cheers!

[@albinnilsson711]

And is the airbus throttle variant included when you buy the standard package

[@SimFanatic]

Sorry Albin, it is not. The Airbus Throttle Pack costs an additional $69.99 and must be ordered separately. I did see it on mypilotstore.com for $65 on sale (but not sure what they charge for shipping). Thank you for watching and for commenting. Blue Skies!!

[@mason19548]

Oops didn't realize this thread was so old, I just got mine two days ago .

[@albinnilsson711]

Can i use this togheter with the saitek joystick?

[@SimFanatic]

Absolutely (depending on the simulator you are using). I know in both MSFS and X-Plane, you can map separate controllers to whatever function/axis you want to use. Cheers!

[@Greazer]

Does it have profiles for different aircraft?

[@SimFanatic]

It does not (from what I recall). It will be setup for your standard single engine aircraft so you will need to add custom profiles from there. To be honest though, it's been so long since I got mine so the new drivers may come with multiple profiles. What I find is I don't have a different profile for each aircraft, but rather each aircraft type (single engine, single engine complex, multi engine, multi-engine complex. twin jet, etc.). If that makes sense? Thank you for watching and for commenting. Let me know if you have any additional questions on this throttle. It's AMAZING! Blue Skies!!

[@Greazer]

@@SimFanatic you can add multiple profiles within MSFS right? Well I just fixed my TWCS throttle and it's nice and smooth now. I may get Bravo a bit later.

[@davidedel31]

Hi, I prchased the Honeycomb Yoke and Throttle to replace Saitek yoke and throttle along with the Auto Pilot and Switch panel. Got Honeycomb throttle panel in beginning of November and yoke at end of November and removed Saitek yoke, throttle, switch panel, and auto pilot panel (multi-panel) in mid December. After installing the Honeycomb yoke and throttle, started checking things and found the following, the switch for the nav and taxi lights will not work. The rest of the switches work fine, beacon, strobe, and landing. On the throttle, the auto pilot does not work at all, except the auto pilot switch work, can see the light on instrument panel come on, but neither knob works, either to adjust hdg, nav, and so forth, Found out about making light work so still have to do that, plus since this is a newer yoke and throttle, did not have any bugs to fix. Fly only two planes, Cessna 172 and Beech Baron 58, plus Air Manager upgrades for both aircraft instrument panels and FS2020. One thing that is greatly appreciated with Honeybomb yoke is that have not more dead spots and better control on landing. So any ideas or information would be greatly appreciated.

[@SimFanatic]

Hi there David, hopefully I can help. Please be sure you download the driver for your Bravo Throttle from Honeycomb and be sure to pick the appropriate simulator (MSFS, XP, etc). This is critical in making the Autopilot and lights function correctly. As for some of the switches on the Alpha not working, what sim are you using and are the aircraft stock? If so, the switches should work. I would check your control settings in the simulator and make sure they are mapped correctly given they may be set for your previous Saitek hardware. Obviously there could be a hardware issue with the controller but I imagine it's more that you need to get the switches mapped in the software. For the drivers, you can go here: flyhoneycomb.com/pages/drivers Hope this helps. Cheers and Blue Skies!!

[@davidedel31]

Thanks, I will give this a try, should be interesting since not really what you call computer suave.

[@davidedel31]

Up date, had to go through the menu until I found the setting that said Set Taxi lights hold. and Set Nav lights hold. Now taxi and nav light switches work. Kind of weird since switches would not work when set to taxi light on and taxi light off, same for nav, yet beacon, strobe, and landing lights work with the on and off settings. Now working on the led lights. Got through installation of Honeycomb download and installation. Not sure where it was installed so working on trying to find so trying to find that to open packages and finish getting lights working. Found Auto Pilot is coming on instrument panel, since light on panel shows AP light on, but that is all so far. Now need to figure out is do I use the index setting or do I use the Set hold bugs for the index for the left know. The right knob used the decrease and increase setting, but nothing, when saw that their is a minus and plus setting. Next thing to try.

[@Croniat]

Hi, I just think you invert Air brakes and Flaps command

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you for watching and for commenting Robz. Blue skies!!

[@flyinion]

Nice review. I recently got the Airbus pack for mine as well. I noticed on the sides the Airbus throttles have markings like in the aircraft so you can visually line up with the detent markings even though there's not a physical detent. Also just a note you, the Bravo unfortunately doesn't actually have reverse axis, it's just a "button" similar to the reverse levers. I take advantage of it for things like the MSFS CRJ though where I map the throttle reduction function to the levers for reverse then "throttle cut" to the reverse detent "button" that way I can kill the reverse levers and pull back to the reverse detent to cut the reverse thrust without having to do the push the levers forward to normal thrust workaround

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you for the comments Charles, great things to add/note; much appreciated! Blue Skies!!

[@Aleksandar6ix]

I tried the Bravo for the first time this week. Not bad, though I would prefer to have the rocker switches below the levers instead of above. I don't really have room for it in my setup right now, but perhaps one day. As for the Alpha.... I hated it the first time I tried it, and I still hate it.

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you for watching and for commenting Aleksandar. Interesting point about the rocker switches; reminds me of the Logitech Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant where the switches are below the levers. I had two of them and did like the switches below the levers. As for the Alpha, why do you hate it?

[@b9bot148]

Unfortunately these are not priced at $249. The lowest price I found currently as of 11-13-21 is $279 on sale. Most are charging $349 or more for these. Same goes for the Yoke as well.

[@SimFanatic]

Yeah, a couple of months ago Honeycomb announced they increased the msrp for both their Alpha & Bravo units to $279.99.

[@mason19548]

I just bought the bravo throttle quadrant straight from the company for $249.00 07/30/22

[@IowaTech80]

whiteout fix for AP selector

[@alexmelia8873]

Are you saying "access" instead of "axis"?

[@SimFanatic]

I'm saying "axis". :)

[@viperxbr]

Good review but unfortunately not all of them are good. Just got mine last night and setting it up, found that the 2nd reverser lever button(Button 10 in Windows) does not work. Seems to be a growing theme out there from what I read. Mine was even brand new out the box and it was broken. Ya I don't know about this product. Nice looking on the outside but pretty cheap components and craftmanship on the inside. Will see what happens now. Cheers!

[@SimFanatic]

Hi Todd Malek, thank you for the comment. I agree on the quality. I have thought about doing an "Updated Review 3.0" given both my reverser switches no longer work. Given this, my rave reviews on this product may take a "notch" back; but I still find it to be an excellent product for the money. I got around the reverser issue by mapping them for the PMDG and Fenix A320 to the detents. But still, you are correct, the quality should be better. And for you getting a new quadrant and having issues, not acceptable. I must say, my experience with Honeycomb on returning the Alpha was impeccable and their support was great to work with. I'm sure they will make it right Todd. Cheers and Blue Skies my friend!

[@viperxbr]

@@SimFanatic Thanks! I'm actually going through the vender I bought it from as it is brand new. A new unit is on the way as I write this and a return postage label to send the bad one back. Very happy with this response and support. I will go through the new one and check all buttons/dials/levers first thing whern I get it. Hopefully all good. Cheers!

[@PSVF2013]

Potentiometers or Hall sensors?

[@SimFanatic]

Potentiometers my friend. :)

[@PSVF2013]

Bad news! Thank you for your quick answer.

[@PSVF2013]

@@SimFanatic Plastic, plastic, plastic... and potentiometers. A really bad combination. Planned obsolescence.

[@thenewlife7588]

Honeycomb says 2023 before production is back to full speed. Getting one of these will be next to impossible. I think that's especially true for an Xbox version.

[@SimFanatic]

Yeah, pretty much the same with anything (GPUs, Cars, other). Supply chain problems my friend. Who knows though, you could get lucky! Thank you fur watching and commenting. Cheers and Blue Skies!

[@thenewlife7588]

@@SimFanatic Turtle Beach sent me an email yesterday that they had more VelocityOnes in stock. Got an email today telling me they sold out in less than a minute.

[@thenewlife7588]

I've decided to wait for Honeycomb anyway. Outta all the sim kit I've researched, I think Honeycomb is the best value.

[@SimFanatic]

@@thenewlife7588 Not surprised. :( Stay patient, I'm sure you will get the Honeycomb which will be better.

[@StormTuber]

I can’t believe you put the spoiler and the flap levers in the wrong spots lol, they go on opposite sides

[@SimFanatic]

Lol, oh yeah! Has been pointed out for sure. :-D Thanks for watching!!

[@ricardograde5134]

Nice… for when on XBOX?

[@SimFanatic]

Thank you for watching! I believe Honeycomb is supposed to release the Alpha (and possibly) the Bravo quadrant for XBox this year. But with all the supply chain issues, time will tell.

[@airste172]

This thing is pretty awesome, unfortunately I fly a Cessna so it's kinda useless to me.

[@SimFanatic]

Lol, for sure! Well, you may have to start flying the big birds. I fly the Cessna as well as the Piper aircraft and I love having it for those as well. Actually, I do most of my flying with GA and love it. Very versatile. Thank you for watching and commenting!

[@airste172]

@@SimFanatic I fly a real 172 so my primary interest in simulation is gaining and maintaining proficiency with that aircraft. Yeah, I might get the urge at some point to sim fly a Piper or a multi-engine something or other or maybe an airliner and when that happens, Honeycomb will be my throttle quadrant of choice. For now however, there seems to be nothing readily available that emulates a Cessna throttle quadrant so I'll make do with the levers on top of my trusty CH yoke without having to spend substantial bucks for something that doesn't enhance my personal sim experience. What I might do, is go ahead and order another CH yoke and use the throttle quadrant components to fabricate my own Cessna style quadrant.

[@Mista_Spicy]

Anything ??? 12:02 🤨🤫😏XD JK

[@SimFanatic]

Lol Spicy Buffalo Gaming, well, maybe almost. :-) Cheers!!

[@rob4fu17]

Bruh, you messed up the flap and speed brake pieces !!

[@SimFanatic]

Yeah, I realized I had them backwards after posting the video. Good catch! :) Thanks for watching and for commenting. Blue Skies!

[@rob4fu17]

@@SimFanatic np, lol

[@iou0]

$70 for some plastic knobs?

[@SimFanatic]

Yes, agree, expensive, but over time that I have used the controls, I think they are worth it. Cheers & Blue Skies!!

[@urushira]

I find the Bravo too be limited. As a flight model developer, I may be working on a single engine WWI radial one day, and a four engine jet the next. Currently, with the Bravo's design philosophy, you have to reconfigure your Bravo with each change in aircraft type. This seiously eats into my time as along with reconfiguring the throttles, you also have too reconfigure the sim's settings. The Bravo is an excellent product, but not for a developer. It assumes your going to choose and stick too flying one type of aircraft and gives no leeway for changing thattype on a constant basis..

[@SimFanatic]

Hey Samurai. Thank you so much for watching and for commenting. You bring up an interesting point about the Bravo being a flight model developer. You are 100% correct; it does take time to reconfigure the Bravo to go from SE to ME aircrafts for sure. I have found duplicating throttle configurations in MSFS has helped, but yes, you still need to go in and change it every time you switch aircraft which is a touch time consuming. That's awesome that you are a flight model developer. Can I ask what products or is that part of your NDA? :) Cheers Samurai Mouse and Blue Skies!!

[@urushira]

@@SimFanatic No problems.. The latest projects i have worked on have been the Wing42 Bleriot, the Wing42 Boing 247, Big Radials P-40B, SWS Zenith CH-701 STOL, and the Wookies Hangar Version of the OzX Grumman Goose Redux.

[@KRich408]

To much Redbull?😳

[@SimFanatic]

Maybe? lol

[@glenbeckett]

lots of engineering

[@SimFanatic]

Absolutely! Looking forward to seeing what their Charlie rudder pedals have to offer and how they compare to my Thrustmaster TPR pedals! If I get my hands on them, will be doing a review of those as well! Thanks for watching and for commenting Glen, Blue Skies!!