Upgrade Echoes The Pro Way - Efficiency/Tips/Tricks (Wuthering Waves)

[@Morax024]

Getting double Crit + Atk% is not hard......its VERY HARD are u kidding me bruh?! XD

[@Cenzurat]

Double crit+atk+whatever dmg type the char needs like liberation+ER:D

[@MoeBeirut]

Man… I have been tuning echoes for 3 months and I’ve never seen a single high Crit. with any other good sub stats… for real…

[@maverichz]

double crit + atk% not hard, one of the the most LMAO thing i've heard in WW guide XD

[@Morax024]

@@MoeBeirut i see it once in a blue moon. XD

[@MoeBeirut]

@@Morax024 I’m so jealous

[@AnishCreationsAnime]

The main problem is i ran out of echoes exp materials, so even I've got two crit stats I'm happy with that 💀👏

[@N.biebie8428]

if the game allow us to use trash echo as exp then i'll be doing it if not i rather go build other character

[@WinkyF2P]

@@AnishCreationsAnime I have more than enough echo exp items but I have a tuners problem lolx 😂

[@williamg5495]

I am in the same boat as you ... but if we try this video method we'll consider a lot of echos trash that can be used as food ... so we'll be able to roll more times for a great to perfect peace... the problem is that we'll run out of tunners instead

[@Cook1e00]

When the double tacet field event comes up always prioritise that to use your wave plates on... in AR 77 right now and more than anything. Echo uograde mats are the most useful late game... cuz that's all you do... level up echoes. So when those events come up you get 3 (double tacet fields) do that for the day

[@ajanilynx]

Ikr

[@EmiYokan]

Knowing my luck, i'm confident this is very hard or almost impossible to achieve, but thank you for setting a good model of how to handle an efficient statmaxxing, it really helped me.

[@WinkyF2P]

Thx bruh appreciate it 😆

[@unholyarthur1]

The real tip is: #1 Be lucky.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@unholyarthur1 Amen!

[@rafaelmorales1475]

😂😅

[@rkyrsc2]

the high echo expectancy sounded so asian its like you saying ONLY A OR ELSE ALL IS AVERAGE

[@WinkyF2P]

@@rkyrsc2 Well I can't argue with that lolx 😎

[@nvmage]

Who said that luck matters actually devalues deduction and perseverance of the player. Thank you sharing your experience.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@nvmage Ma man! 😎

[@MrGoodra17]

If I used this method I would still be building my first dps, considering that I got the second crit stat in the 4th and 5th upgrade most of the time. What I do is upgrading until lv 20. If it has at least a crit stat, I go all the way to 25 and if it ends up with just a crit stat I use that echo as exp for the next. A lv 25 echo raises the next to 22 so no need for more exp tubes, same for the lv 22 since it give a lv 20 echo. A lv 20 echo gives a lv 17 echo so now I need 10 purple tubes to go back to 20. I honestly prefer wasting a bit more resources than echos since there's no way I going back farming in the overworld

[@Vel_Here]

I do the same otherwise you're just wasting a lot of 3 cost echoes his way and god knows I'm not farming for those elemental 3 costs...

[@evynious]

if you go to the echo tab and click the trash icon at the bottom you can discard your useless leveled echos (you get the same amount of exp and tuners back) so those 2 levels on lvl 22 wont go to waste

[@WinkyF2P]

@@MrGoodra17 Damn lvl 20 is too high man too much exp needed I think. For me lvl 15 is good enough to know whether to continue upgrade or not, but hey to each its own. 👍

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Vel_Here I do tend to be less strict for my 3 costs too because I hate farming them, that's why a few of them have only 1 crit.

[@MrGoodra17]

@WinkyF2P even doing this I wasted almost every echo I had, there's no way that I would throw away a 4 cost echo after it took me over 100 tries to get the right main stat

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

This video has the same energy with :" If youre sad, be happy." 😅

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Written_in_the_Starss lolx.. Yep.. !! 😋

[@araujoas]

More one tip: Go until lvl10 for 1 Cost echo cause its more easy to farm and discard this one, and risk more on Cost 3 and go until 15 cause its more hard to find Cost 3 with match elements that you want

[@WinkyF2P]

@@araujoas I tend to be less strict for my 3 costs too because I hate farming them 😤

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

Brother I have hard time farming 1 costs 😂

[@dustinhughes5034]

I actually liked the explanation of the thinking process.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@dustinhughes5034 I like that you like the explanation of the thinking process 😂

[@ZeylonHunter]

You the man, thanks for the tips and tricks!

[@WinkyF2P]

@@ZeylonHunter 💪😉👍

[@minttinted1895]

tnx man!!! im new at gacha game and also this wuthering waves. thank you and this video of urs is extremely informative tnx tnx and goodluck

[@WinkyF2P]

@@minttinted1895 Appreciated that bruh! 😆

[@unblockablelegoblock4839]

I had a general understanding of this before but this really helped me out. Thanks

[@WinkyF2P]

@@unblockablelegoblock4839 Awesome!

[@silver-ゲームチャンネル]

3 things to get good echo stats 1. Resources 2. Patience 3. Luck If you are rushing in building a character to a more perfect build (maybe close enough), you're gonna waste a lot of resources. As long as TOA is manageable on ur end, just build them slowly and roll some echos if you have time and resources.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@silver-ゲームチャンネル Holy..

[@ManderBoii]

Ok, but the village of Dali in the background. That’s my favorite FFIX piece 🔥

[@WinkyF2P]

@@ManderBoii Congratulations buddy, I have been waiting for the first guy to notice that ever since my very first video. We are best friends now, so you have to subscribe. Lmaox! 😂

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

I agree for the most part, although, there are some things I'd change. If you insist on either 3 perfect stats or 4-5 decent ones which are about as good taken together, then you can just upgrade to lv 5, and if the first bonus isn't attack %, crit % or crit damage throw it away. At least for 1 cost echo, which you've plenty to spare. Next point is basic attack, which is actually a decent secondary stat. Ideally, you want all basic attack stacked on one character in the team and you basic attack when you've nothing else to do. However, the reason it's underrated is basic attack boosts dodge counter damage. In general, basic attack is better on a main dps and resonance skill damage is better for a sub-dps. I'd also argue being open-minded helps. Especially 5 useful stats, but "not what you wanted" scenarios. For example accepting combos like this "attack%, flat attack, crit damage, energy and resonance liberation" will save you tons of materials. Sure, it feels bad to be missing crit%, but objectively speaking, that combination is lucky/strong. Finally, I'm 99% sure there is going to be new/better sonata echo sets added to the game in the future. So min-maxed sets may still end up obsolete.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@wanderingwatcher3981 Thx bruh, but I have alot of echo exp to spare, I'm ok with going lvl 15 first, I only care about tuners. Man there's no way Kuro will make the new echo sets power creep the old ones, that would be devastating. It's still gonna be a long time anyway. 😂

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

@@WinkyF2P np, when I said obsolete I mean that players would prefer to redo the grind, even it is just a small gain. I don't think the new sets would be strictly better. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but kuro have been designing their new characters around the existing set bonuses. From early on, I knew a min-maxed basic attack Havoc user was going to be released, and now Camellya is out. They will eventually need to new sets to make new archetypes within the different elements. Like a havoc character not based around basic/heavy attack for example. Also, they need players to be engaged in farming new echoes for many years to come. The sets with the biggest chance of becoming obsolete would be the aero/spectral sets. Gaining a damage bonus upon intro skill is nice, but it's not that consistent with low uptime so even if the new set just give something other than bonus damage it might still end up being better. The fire set on the other hand seem like a very safe investment.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@wanderingwatcher3981 Brother man I totally respect your passion, but damn you have got to chill with the long essay man. 😂

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

@@WinkyF2P hehe, noted, after posting it I was like "I could have shortened that"

[@WinkyF2P]

@@wanderingwatcher3981 👊😆

[@verzanii]

Thank you. Really appreciated. But I think this is worth doing after you pass mid game and already have some mediocre echos and now must improve your echos to the next level. You don't wanna do this at beginning or even mid game. But I'm in a point of the game that this really fits. Love it

[@WinkyF2P]

@@verzanii You know what you got a point there too, go easy on your first 2 echo sets to get yourself started, then third echo set onwards I would go hard, aim for the best echoes.

[@dt4493]

Thanks you so much, i really need this. This is a thorough strategy

[@WinkyF2P]

@@dt4493 Np man good luck in your echoes lolx

[@Lig-Crzy09]

After watching your video I realized my average atk% is 1600to 1800 which is very bad that's why I was thinking why i lack damage with 275 critic damage

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Lig-Crzy09 Yeah like I said bruh, ATK% does make a huge difference. If your main dps has high ATK stats, you don't need Verina support for that team at all.

[@Anonymous-sd6hq]

I spent almost 200 gold tubes of echo xp on just a single 3 cost when jinxhi released and i didn't have the super high expectations, i just wanted the thing to have mid to high crit rate nothing else. My experience since then is don't actually have expectations that are too high you'll just get frustrated. You can make up for lower rolls by just playing better(because the difference won't be that exagerated). Example people failing to clear with a full team in ToA and then you see danjin solo runs.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Anonymous-sd6hq Take it easy buddy 🤗

[@WinkyF2P]

Sorry took longer than I expected to make this video. Alot of editing involved compared to my other videos. Hope you guys enjoyed this one! 😋

[@sammyl3umas354]

lets gooo!! always wanted a guide like this.. thanks for the tips man..❣

[@WinkyF2P]

@@sammyl3umas354 Np man pound it 🤜

[@sammyl3umas354]

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[@محمدالسياف-ر1ك]

Great video useful information you got a new subscriber

[@WinkyF2P]

@@محمدالسياف-ر1ك 🤗🤗

[@mikebrown476]

Just got back into the game video helped with what stats to look for thank you

[@WinkyF2P]

@@mikebrown476 Awesome welcome back buddy! 😆

[@anubisENEAD]

This video really did help me 😊

[@WinkyF2P]

@@anubisENEAD I'm happy to know 😉

[@billy_dummy4974]

U deserve my sub for this one😁

[@WinkyF2P]

@@billy_dummy4974 Ma man! 👊

[@SunnyBQ]

Thanks man. You helped me a lot ❤

[@WinkyF2P]

@@SunnyBQ Np bruh now pound my ass! 🤜

[@Catrigo24]

Great tips and advice 💯

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Catrigo24 Thx bruh keep rocking! 😎👊

[@QuincyYhwach.]

My genral role is: Upgrade the echo to 15 If u have 2 crits or 1 crit and atk%, then lvl it up in hopes to get the missing stat (crit or atk%)

[@WinkyF2P]

@@QuincyYhwach. Hey isn't that exactly the same as mine lolx, except that I'm also picky about high or low rolls.

[@neil10365]

Thanks so much for this guidance. I'm pretty sure all but 1 of my echoes would be discarded lol. Would you say this summarizes your criteria - I changed leveling to 20 instead of 25 given the much higher mat cost to go from 20-25 only to find out that's it's not good? If the Echo has any of the following main stats, discard it: Flat ATK ≤ 40 Basic Attack Bonus Heavy Attack Bonus HP% Flat HP DEF% Flat DEF Does the Echo have any of these main stats? Yes → Discard No → Proceed to Initial Tuning Step If the Echo is level 1, tune it to level 10. If it is level 3 or 4, tune it to level 15 before proceeding. 1. Does the Echo have at least one or both Crit substats (Crit Rate or Crit Damage) and/or Attack %? Yes → Proceed to Step 2 No → Discard 2. Is Crit Damage 16.8% or higher, or Crit Rate 8.4% or higher? Yes → Upgrade to level 20 and assess further No → Proceed to Step 3 3. Are the Crit Rate (7.5%+), Crit Damage (15%+ if present), and Attack % (8.6%+) rolls high? Yes → Upgrade to level 20 and assess further No → Proceed to Step 4 4. Is there at least one other useful substat (e.g., Energy Regen, Liberation/Skill Bonus)? Yes → Upgrade to level 20 and assess further No → Discard 5. After upgrading to level 20, did the Echo gain an undesirable substat (e.g., DEF) or lack sufficient desirable stats (Crit Rate, Crit Damage, or Attack %)? Yes → Discard No → Keep and fully upgrade to level 25

[@WinkyF2P]

@@neil10365 Wow you gotta chill with the long essay bro lolx. Now I have to show respect by at least replying to this. Yes it pretty much sums up my criteria, but if you find it too demanding then it's ok to be less strict a bit especially for your 3-costs echoes because they are harder to farm. Like I said in my guide, the echo expectation/criteria that you set at the start is going to define what quality of echo you will get. Never underestimate ATK%. Keep rocking buddy! 💪😆

[@WinkyF2P]

@@neil10365 1 more thing, having 1 useless substats on an echo is ok, it's pretty normal, but 2 useless substats is not ok for me.

[@neil10365]

@@WinkyF2P Cool thanks for replying, hope your channel goes from strength to strength!

[@WinkyF2P]

@@neil10365 Thx bruh appreciate it , gotta keep grinding man, that's how it is. 👊

[@KingShado69]

You know his guide will be very accurate based on his speech impediment alone, this isn't your casual "achually" this is "Achhtually 2". If you're in a card game tournament with this guy he'll sweep you under the table.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@KingShado69 That's true I do have a little speech impediment thing lmaox 🤭

[@KingShado69]

@@WinkyF2P Kekw! 😂

[@eherden2169]

Something I do follow and it works is that in the first 3 sub stat rolls better have two crit stats otherwise I don't consider leveling up further (there might be some exceptions though depending the characters). Now if you need at least something to make the character usable, aim for lv20 echoes with at least one crit substat. I would not lower my standards any less than this.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@eherden2169 Damn bruh and they called me crazy, your standards are even higher than mine. 😵

[@eherden2169]

@@WinkyF2P Genshin's and HSR artifact/relic farm trauma left me like this.

[@olafshouse]

Nice guide

[@WinkyF2P]

@@olafshouse Thx buddy 😋

[@williamg5495]

I liked the tips ... but as I don't like to share echos, I would adapt the rule for res liberation to be the niche that your character uses, for example skill dmg > basic atk dmg instead of res liberation dmg for encore ... and change the atk% for HP% and DEF% for characters that scales with the respective status (like taoqi with def) .... just to make it clear I decide this thinking in the final objective to not share the echos

[@WinkyF2P]

@@williamg5495 My goal is to also save mats in the long run, 1 set for each echo set is enought, but as a min-max player myself, I can totally understand and respect your niche optimization towards certain characters. Keep rocking buddy! 👊

[@williamg5495]

@@WinkyF2P yes, and you explained very well your point, it made a lot of sense to me, and I'll try to apply that concept now that I have some good teams, but still not able to clear the tower 36, if the problem are not the average echos, than is skill issue of mine lmao also thanks for the good guide!!!

[@pin885]

nice vid!

[@WinkyF2P]

@@pin885 👊👊

[@Gr0s3d]

Thanks buddy, i was only of those who lvl to 25 XD

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Gr0s3d Np man but oh boy you must have wasted alot of mats by now 😱

[@thebestbotever5040]

Hmm.. Your way actually.. does take too much resources but saves you alot of them in the future, since you said you are building your echo set to be able to use on other characters... Im gonna try this on 2.0 update.. though i don't think my resources are gonna be enough for my bad luck on substats 😆 Anyways, really nice guide 👍

[@WinkyF2P]

@@thebestbotever5040 Yippy..!! 😋

[@Itsmeskye]

Thank you❤

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Itsmeskye Hehe.. 🤭

[@MateusOliveira-ye4yf]

As for the Moonlit Clouds set, the echos cost 3, should I look for elemental damage or even atk%, since it would be a universal set? thanks

[@stripessin]

I need to have this mindset in life

[@WinkyF2P]

@@stripessin It's ok I don't have that kind of mindset in life too only in game lmaox 😂

[@stripessin]

@@WinkyF2P 😂

[@Furukn]

I don't have an issue with premium tuners and since they made it so we can forge the lower ranks to upper ranks, it's a lot easier. The exp materials on the other hand gives me headaches. They are never enough.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Furukn Wow I have the opposite problem, seems like I have been tuning substats more often than leveling echoes.

[@cloudhudston1844]

For me, I tend to favor double crit and ER. More ER more Resonance Liberation. Very hard to achieve, but currently I've finished building XY, H.Rover, Jinhsi, Yinlin, Zhezhi and Jiyan echoes. With all double crit and required ER. Very smooth rotation but it took all my sanity just to farm it. Now with double reward on Tacet Field, I'm gonna farm tuner for my Changli. Got all double crit, but very low ER. Feels very "heavy" to play.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@cloudhudston1844 Man that's alot of echo sets you have there, I haven't even started on my glacio set yet. 😥

[@wanderingwatcher3981]

If you like how it plays then alright, tho I feel like you are gearing all your characters like support/sub-dps, trying to maximize resonance liberation and not on-field effectiveness. From a damage perspective ER is worse then attack % for your main dps for this reason, you have to fight with someone and most of the time resonance liberation isn't going to be usable. Changli is a character I own, and have done the math for her, so I feel confident in saying that she definitely benefit from attack % or even resonance skill % over ER. It was a few months ago, so I don't remember exact numbers but her damage is roughly 45-50% resonance skill damage, 20-25% resonance liberation and the rest basic attack. After getting crit%/critDMG you want attack% or resonance skill%, attack% because it boost all her damage and resonance skill% because it boost her dominant damage type. The perfect set for Changli would be: crit%/critDMG/attack%/resonance skill%/ER. attack % is equal to or just slightly better then resonance skill%. The reason is that you typically already have +100% attack from all sources combined so that additional attack% from substats are about equal to resonance skill% boosting 50% of her damage. This is helpful to know when building her, you only need crit%, critDMG and attack % or resonance skill% for a good piece. This added flexibility of either attack% or resonance skill% makes twice as easy to get good echoes for her.

[@cloudhudston1844]

@wanderingwatcher3981 Agreed, but I prefer smooth rotation. I like it when I swap to main dps I already have ult to use. My Changli echoes are still not done, only 71% CR, 278% CD and 108% ER (preferably 120-130% ER) with 28% Resonance skill damage bonus. While it's good enough to clear the TOA, I can't do that to my queen and want to maximize her damage. It feels very "heavy" when I swap to her and she still doesn't have RL ready yet.

[@horvathviktor6528]

But not enough for me i understand. But I'm lame, at some point I realized I'm going to be. But thanks for the advice!

[@WinkyF2P]

@@horvathviktor6528 Bruh chill lolx 😯

[@amaria7072]

“Anything over 130% er is overkill” Unless you’re going for Shorekeeper’s 240% ER for the full buff. Also it depends on the character. Especially for Jiyan and Camellya, who need heavy dmg and basic dmg bonuses respectively.

[@rayzen119]

That Heavy dmg comment was more of a ... get a stat that is good for multiple characters, else you're just building a set for 1 character, namely Jiyan for Heavy dmg. So yeah, it actually depends on the goal of the set.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@amaria7072 The echo guide is of course for main and sub dps only, healer support is another different story.

[@hirukoiwakura142]

Considering for your way I still need to max the echo (more about that a bit below), sticking with temporary/average pieces till I get sth better ain't a waste - even more so when I can't still use unlevelled echoes as fodder + using levelled piece as fodder still only "refunds" part of used mats. Having average set as base to later on upgrade will always be better than having nothing at all, when you set expectations high. High expectations should be always used as target post starting set. Simply to have anything to work around with. I also disagree on the list of "useless" substats - 1-2 of last available slots should always be the bonus of main source of dmg, regardless of what that is. not all resonance skills and liberation deal dmg in the first place. Regarding the maxing or not - base is actually lvl 20 and pass only if you there got 2 actually useless subs (real useless, not your opinion useless). why? because no double substats & thus bigger chance of missing wanted ones. More than enough people across platforms did reliable sheets with thousands upon thousands of users who submitted their rolls for calcs proving 4 being the base. Not 5 basically only because of the exp cost. Really hoped for the video to be anything reliable, in the end of the day it's just a big "imho" not really based on anything :/

[@WinkyF2P]

@@hirukoiwakura142 Bruh you gotta chill with the long essay man. Sure go for avg echoes for your first 2 sets to get started, then 3rd set onwards aim for the best echoes, how's that? If you paid attention to my guide carefully, I tailored it to aim for only 1 echo set per attribute type, the goal is to also save mats in the long run. The list of useless substats is formed because those substats do not generally benefit most chars out there.

[@sfcs3743]

Bro you have no idea some of us are so unlucky. Ive spent 2 patches farming for Changli only to get all less than avg rolls on all my crit/atk. like literally all are 6.9% crit and 13% crit dmg with decent atk%. She could still clear her side of the tower, but the rest of my roster's dps really got a hard time full clearing. My advice is to NOT go for these near perfect vertical investments from the start. Just aim for 3/4 chars with double crit stats on all or at max 1 missing if they have really good rolls (even 1-2 sets with this setup can cost upto a patch like me). only after that should you dabble into substat optimizations as described here.

[@WinkyF2P]

I did that and then realized my Havoc set sucks now, so my next plan is to waste mats again on my Havoc set which already have double Crits on them to get better substats lolx. 😂

[@tonyblairs1888]

Double crit not impossible but when you add attack at there that frustration😂😂😂

[@WinkyF2P]

@@tonyblairs1888 Yep no pain no gain brother! 💪😆

[@SunbroTreadway]

My random stranger on YT tip for stats for any game like this: You're only one is your best one. Start somewhere reasonable that matches the build you want to end up at. One Piece at a time is the goal.

[@AbbasSifawi]

Jiyan echoes are hard to build cz he really needs that heavy atck% so basically he needs heavy atck crit rate/dmg and atck%

[@WinkyF2P]

@@AbbasSifawi Don't need to aim for Heavy ATK really he will still be strong with high ATK stats, your other aero chars will be using the same aero set in the future and they won't benefit from Heavy ATK, that's my point. 👍

[@AbbasSifawi]

@@WinkyF2Pi see your point but the “Pro way” to build him is with heavy atck or your be loosing alot of dmg

[@WinkyF2P]

@@AbbasSifawi Ok that's cool that's true can't argue with that, but man that means you must have a higher echo expectation than I do lolx. 😱

[@AbbasSifawi]

@@WinkyF2P great video btw very informative im a new subscriber

[@WinkyF2P]

@@AbbasSifawi Thx man appreciate that bruh

[@irvinchua1139]

how many tuners do you have before upgrading?

[@WinkyF2P]

@@irvinchua1139 I always save up until at least 1500 tuners before going for a big echo upgrade session, I'm not worried about echo exp items.

[@maj0ga.]

2:20 Naw I would have rerolled that shit the second I saw the HP% stat

[@makeit5008]

uncle roger plays wuwa

[@neegamind]

hahahaha

[@Loxa_24]

Indeed 🎉😂. When we f**ked up in upgrading echoes = "haiiyaaa" 😂

[@WinkyF2P]

@@makeit5008 Lmao must be my ascent 😬

[@S_P_I_R_I_T.X]

I got double crit and double attack on my dreamless is that good for camellya?

[@WinkyF2P]

@@S_P_I_R_I_T.X That's good for any char honestly except for healer of course 😉

[@S_P_I_R_I_T.X]

@@WinkyF2P thanks i was confused 💕

[@kramlyn2412]

Funny is i have those substas to all my dps. It goes like this; -Jiyan Attack% 2540+ Crit.rate% 50.7 Crit.DMG% 291 -Xiangli yao Attack% 2462 Crit.Rate% 63.2 Crit.DMG% 291 -Jinhsi Attack% 2482 Crit.rate% 70 Crit.DMG 276 Their energy regen% is decent but its really not that a big problem for me if your dps can destroy a mobs within a few seconds.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@kramlyn2412 Damn bruh those are cracked, you been having insane echo luck man? 😯

[@relx7981]

I assume you use one 3cost atk instead of elemental dmg, am i right?

[@ChadKawayan]

I've been playing since day one i only got two double crit my highest crit rate is 49

[@j0ker619]

Step 1- Hope to get lucky. Step 2- Get lucky.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@j0ker619 Step 3 - Get laid

[@MarcSy]

Still sounds lucky to me.

[@970404x]

flat atk 40 isnt trash tbh

[@pimpi168]

i only get 3 piece of 2crit + 2 atk echo so far

[@rezaaswin2034]

i dont think heavy attack is useless for jiyan.and basic attack will be good for zhezhi and camellya

[@WinkyF2P]

@@rezaaswin2034 There's no need to aim for BA bonus and HA bonus even though certain niche chars can benefit from them, ATK% will always be better in any situation.

[@Ayanokoji30]

At 12:40 that is what i got from My piece for Jinhsi imao😂

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Ayanokoji30 Damn bruh I only seen that kind of 3 substats combination once in these 6 months 😂

[@CyrusYew]

Having high expectations for your echoes is completely fine, but do you have the resources required for it? Unless you are a whale or extremely lucky I guess.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@CyrusYew If you are a day 1 player like me then we should have about the same amount of mats invested on echoes now

Is throwing away a 3 piece actually efficient, though? I mean, imagine you throw it away, and you get a 0 piece. I think keeping it would be more efficient. Without needing to level up any further if you feel that strongly. Efficiency is also about time. Not everyone can spend all day farming spare echoes.

[@reissaonwuwa]

For me, only CR + CD per echo is enough to get the resonator CR at least 90% above and CD at 200% and above, I've never got the double CR + Atk% ;|

[@WinkyF2P]

@@reissaonwuwa Hold on buddy, CR 90%? Damn that's overly overkill. 😱

[@navalhabr]

They need to get rid of the tuners or change the echoes to be "resettable" when you get bad rolls. I don't mind losing my tuners, but we are losing tuners, the echos and XP. This is very punitive.

[@rcg7269]

this is only applicable if you have tons of echoes farmed but for casual players who are relying on tacet fields for echoes, this method is not very helpful

[@WinkyF2P]

@@rcg7269 That is true but as for casuals I think no matter what method you used, your echoes will always be mid because you don't have alot of echo options to choose from.

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

Basically : "be lucky."😂to

[@toufiq309]

dude i have been playing since release and i have very rarely seen crit dmg 15%+

[@WinkyF2P]

@@toufiq309 For real? Damn bruh.. 😥

[@primohikari8087]

i\ve been palying since yinlin. and using those tips since then. (minus the lowest/highest stat number because it's already hard enough) i got only 2 that fullfill those criterias (both on 4 star echoes). i'm just not lucky.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@primohikari8087 Damn bruh that's sad, but for me it's playing since day 1 so I would naturally have more mats than you.

[@bearhey7964]

So i did the calculation, you have about ~0.3496% chance to get CR+CDM+ATK on the first 3 rolls back to back, the 5 stars gacha rate on a single pull is 0.8%(including losing 50/50,0.4% if only count limited characters), meaning it's easier to get a 5 stars in a single pull than getting a piece of CR+CDM+ATK echo lol

[@WinkyF2P]

@@bearhey7964 Well then we don't need to worry about getting Double Crit + ATK% for the first 3 substats then lolx. It only happened to me once I remembered, but getting 2 of those substats is already good enough.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@bearhey7964 How the hell did you arrived with those numbers anw bruh? 😵‍💫

[@bearhey7964]

@@WinkyF2P math, P1=3/13 P2=2/12 P3=1/11, P(n)=P1*P2*P3*P4...*Pn, so the first 3, P(3)=P1*P2*P3=3/13*2/12*1/11=1/286=0.0034965035=0.34965035% so it's ~0.3496%

[@bearhey7964]

@@WinkyF2P oh i think i mistaken a different game gacha rate, apparently it's 0.8% 5stars gacha rate(including losing 50/50 who is not the limited character) not 0.4%(winning 50/50 limited character), so i guess it's WAY easier(pretty much double the chance) to get a 5stars in a single pull than getting a echo piece with CR+CDM+ATK in first 3 xdd

[@WinkyF2P]

@@bearhey7964 man you crazy but I like it 😆

[@UnknowinglyRL]

Brothers in crist Just pray 100 times a day to god and rng jesus🙏🙏🙏

[@Lig-Crzy09]

I been tuning echo but its dam hard I haven't able to even full build my xiangliyao yet😢 The problem is not enough material

[@neegamind]

always just level up to 10 bro then see if the first 2 substats are to your liking before you go all out on tuners. Built my Yao within 2 weeks. He will be perfect after I got his weapon. He is only 68/230 rn but he hits around 190k

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Lig-Crzy09 Yep my main problem is tuners only. I have enough echo exp items but not tuners. 😤

[@Samtax44]

@@WinkyF2P same as me hell difficult to get tuners at this point of the game

[@Samtax44]

is very hard asfuck to get double crit + atk% or another atk bonus % but still posible if u re using the clock to refining echoes every 7 minutes and 15 seconds it give u the most hight chanceof re roll a crit stat% everything else its luck

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Samtax44 What is this 7 mins reroll Crit thing you're talking about bruh? Some hidden mechanic? 🤔

[@Samtax44]

@@WinkyF2P its called echomancing u can get info about it easily there are a group of people just discovered by accident if they tune a echo at the exact time will get hight chance to get certain stats for example every 7 minutes and 15 seconds u will get around 14-15 % more to roll a crit stat% or even double crit if u are lucky enought

[@SkeithTheCursedWave666]

Welp, my camelya has 2150 atk 53 cr 256 cd Good enough for me

[@WinkyF2P]

@@SkeithTheCursedWave666 You can do better my friend, I believe in you. 👊

[@Emptiness771]

Bro cooked sparta build Why give up Do it Just do it

[@JoyBoyAlter]

2500 tuners for BOTH Electro AND Spectro sets? Nah, either you're lying, or you got INCREDIBLY lucky with your tuning. 6500 tuners went to my Changli alone, and her set is far from perfect.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@JoyBoyAlter No freaking way 6k tuners for a fusion set and still not done? Damn bruh..!!

[@ZAIN-explorer]

You are doing it wrong 🚫 You are unlucky ✅️

[@endolucas854]

unfortunately this will only be possible when they rework/ upgrade the echoes system, in the current model this is just luck... I for example been playing since day one and just have literally 5 echoes with crit dmg 15%+ AND crit rate lol Building characters in Wuthering Waves feels really bad man

[@WinkyF2P]

My suggestion would be allowing us to reroll only 1 substats on each echo using shell credits and the amount gets doubled everytime we reroll a substats.

[@davinpradipta8009]

Is hard to farming echo, i am solo player

[@WinkyF2P]

@@davinpradipta8009 Casual bro?

[@bull-sheet-detectorbsd6373]

do u think double crit + attk is enough, nooooo, u need heavy attack for jiyan, and resonance skill for jinshi and so on 😂😂😂

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

I just need 1 1 cost for camellya . 😂.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@marupurusaivamsi4802 No 3-costs issue?

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

@WinkyF2P nah. Only aero is the only mf echo 3 cost killing me

[@WinkyF2P]

@@marupurusaivamsi4802 Same here 😵‍💫

[@johngeorge5091]

We have to be F2p with whale mentality

[@WinkyF2P]

@@johngeorge5091 Im F2P it's possible, It's more like a min-max mentality lolx. 😬

[@Zenbu711]

"Its not hard" yeah deadass if u dont have a proper real job and just grinding all the echo on the world map every single day

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Zenbu711 Who said it's not hard?

[@ixirion]

hmm. while its expected approach the very late game its not good at midgame. In most cases you need 130 ER in case on Yunlin even 140. So you need 4 good substat and with high rolls for her only....then similar for XiangliYao ... cant happen. Cos I need also 2 fusion sets, 2 havoc, 3 moonlit etc. als Wuwa devs are a bit slow. we should had a new 2 sets at this time.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@ixirion Wait hold up buddy why do you need 2 different fusion sets and 2 havoc sets? That's crazy!

[@ixirion]

@@WinkyF2P I use Encore and Changli regulary + Chixia occasionally. still thats not the problem. the problem is how much grind and resources you need to get 4 good substats

[@WinkyF2P]

@@ixirion Well damn if that's the case then just slap your moonlit set onto 1 of them it's ok man. The same logic applies to Havoc Rover + Danjin. Upgrading 2 different sets of the same echo set is just a waste of mats bruh. 😥

[@ixirion]

@@WinkyF2P swaping echoes around is waste of time my man. also outside of speedruning the5% dps doesnt matter. also you again missed the topic that even you dont have 1 set fully maxed XD I agree the leveling ideas have merit but again its super late game effort and can lead to burnout.

[@sagnikmaulik]

6:58 bro you do realise that you get back the excess exp right? Otherwise, your video is pretty good and helpful but there is one flaw to your extremely choosy methodology. With this process you will end up having a lot of upgrading echo exp materials, but your tuners will completely go down the drain and you will get bottlenecked either way. I would be a bit more loose with the restrictions. I usually choose 4 substats that I want for an echo and if I get even 2 of them within +15 I usually go ahead even if they are not crit. For example if I had gotten atk% and energy regen highrolls in two substats upto +15 I would have 100% try to go ahead and try to go for the double crit (unless I already have too much err). And even with this I always end up with excessive amount of echo exp mats but no tuners. In the end, I still think the devs should improve the efficiency of getting tuners or its usage. Currently there is quite a bit of off-balance between exp and tuners even if I am being pragmatic in the way I am upgrading echoes.

[@WinkyF2P]

@@sagnikmaulik Nope I did not know about the getting back of excessive exp part, I did not lie when I said I never once used the feature, but thx for sharing buddy... And yes I do run out of tuners faster than echo exp items, it is what it is. I also tend to be less strict with my 3-costs echoes because they are harder to come by. In the end, the echo standards that you set at the start will always determine what quality of echoes you end up with. 😎🙌

[@fikral600]

Bro science at its best Of course you want to aim high for you echo rolls with double crit and other suplementary stat like atk. But we cant choose shit, if i follow ur ideology i would be stuck building 1 character for months because of rng. The opportunity cost is too big. Additionally, atk buff from echo sub while is good to have will get diluted from support and stage buffs. The cost of looking atk buff on ur echo exceed its marginal return. Then u talk about the substat value and which sub to aim, that shit in min maxing insanity. The reason why most guide doesnt include it because it pure RNG, time consuming,very expensive and again the return on that is ass. Plus in the future, there are possibility of a better echo set to be released that might powerecrept ur old set. 2 years of farming the perfect CW in genshin just get powercrept by Fontaine artifact is enough experience of min maxing for me. Its not worth it If ur argument that its for the future content. There is no content that demand a perfect echi. If there is a hard content then echoes quality is just a small calculation in grand scheme of things. Should you continuously improve your artifact? Of course but please do not go to min max territory

[@WinkyF2P]

@@fikral600 Ok chill bruh 😘

[@fikral600]

@WinkyF2P 😘

[@arocomisgamusclademork1603]

Your tutorial show it's whale quality confusing average players popularity community mix casino investment double Crit substat basic damage bonus useless than Double Crit Atk liberation headaches

[@WinkyF2P]

@@arocomisgamusclademork1603 Yes it is high investment but it is possible to achieve as I have proven. I'm F2P myself.

[@jasonbraza9517]

Day one F2P player, I have the same standard but not the same luck. I keep running out of materials and shell credits yet, your so called trash Havoc Set is my best only set on my Havoc Rover. Hp and Def stats loves me too much 😂😂😂

[@WinkyF2P]

@@jasonbraza9517 Lolx that's sad bruh 😂

[@AttackonGames]

easy? all I roll is the bad stats 😂

[@WinkyF2P]

@@AttackonGames Nope nobody said it's easy lolx, just be patient and efficient with your mats bruh, you will get there soon. 💪😉

[@AttackonGames]

@ I just used all my mats and didn’t get a single good one though lol 😂

[@Bullminator]

YOU STILL WASTE TO MUCH XP!!!!! Only to lvl 5. Only lvl if crit, crit damage or atk. At this point it doesnt matter if they are low rolls. Now you feed other lvl 5 crap into those pieces and max to lvl 10. At this point if atk has no crit or crit damage its gona be fodder and crit rate or crit damage must at least have a atk to continue. Now you feed lvl 10 trash into lvl 10 pieces to lvl 15. If 3 pieces are good, you lvl it to 20. If all pices are trash, you save this exp for other echo lvling. NEVER USE LVL 15 ECHO on lvl 0. YOU LOSE A LOT OF XP.

[@NatSu-wu4jl]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@wolfsgravestone]

tf is that voice

[@Averymindset]

If your voice is this bad you should consider usinf AI voice

[@Averymindset]

I almost get stroke listening to your words

[@WinkyF2P]

@@Averymindset It's that bad? Damn must be the ascent or something. 😥

[@_luwucy_]

His voice is fine stop hating lil bro