Upgrade your Walmart Bike or Buy Something Better? Can you spend too much on a Big Box Bike?

Is it worth it to upgrade a Walmart bike? Can a Walmart bike handle a mountain bike trail? KevCentral has explored this topic with several project bikes that, IMO, are a success. Most are built with budget in mind and are very cost effective relative to their performance and capabilities. However, recently I completed my most expensive build ever - Project Ledge X1 Stage 3 - built off the new Mongoose Ledge X1 (the Ledge X2 uses the same frame.) I mentioned in my reveal video that there was a point where the extra money didn't scale well with the bike or performance vs my previous stage 2 build. In this video I expand on that.
Comment below with your thoughts. Is there a line where a local bike shop bike or internet brand would be a better choice given available funds?
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[@SlowDelSol]

Something I didn’t foresee when doing this is the inevitable bike tool addiction I developed that has considerably added to the cost of the hobby.

[@Jaredbar]

tools are fun

[@user-op1tq9ur3t]

keep em for life, ride for life. Got a great investment brotha.

[@JD-co4hx]

THIS

[@JD-co4hx]

I have tools that I’ve bought that I’ll probably never ever use again

[@chesterswingjr9796]

As a full time mechanic, buying tools NEVER gets old!!! 😂

[@potterson1710]

I've said before and I'll say it again. When I purchased my AXUM and spent a bunch of money to fix it up the way I wanted it I wasn't counting the dollars and trying to decide if it was worth the money because fixing it up myself was half the fun of having it. I learned a great deal about the bike (and bikes in general and now I know every millimeter of the bike so when something breaks or starts making noise I can easily diagnose the issue and easily make the repairs myself which is helpful since there is no bike shop near by. On the other hand, if I were the type of person who didn't care how it worked or otherwise didn't like to "tinker" I would never have spent the money to upgrade a big box bike.

[@sgfahhdhsdhd]

Doubleplus Kudos to Kev Central for including some criticism of the parts he bought. Honesty is a quality rarely seen in MTB reviews. Statements like "stage 2 was thousands cheaper than this and equally capable" should be something every MTBer thinks about while falling asleep in the evening...

[@keosoutdooradventures]

You always said since I started watching in 2019, if you can afford something better in the beginning to get something better. That must be a new thing for the Revelation, I have one and the knob has a set screw. Thanks for sharing your experience with us and keep up the good work!

[@Dallasguy1972]

Kev’s got a real passion for bikes! Doesn’t matter how far he’s come or how many bikes he’s built. It’s alway a good deal. Thank you Kev!

[@nikolaistahley2494]

For a lot of people, myself included, dropping 3k all at once is hard. So typically I’ll start cheap and then upgrade slowly. May not be the most cost effective way, but at least I can start riding right away rather than have nothing for months while I save.

[@ds1755]

There’s nothing wrong with getting a great big box frame & building it up how you want. Number 1 important thing here & Kev said it, budget, set a limit & stick to it. Even if you buy a $3000 bike upgrade it, turn around& try to sell it, you’re always gonna be confronted with depreciation. I have the X1 & invested a nice amount of money into it, the X1 is a very capable trail bike. I don’t expect to sell the bike fixed up what I put into it at all. But I’m going to enjoy it & ride it. If I sell it I’ll put it back to stock & cut a smaller loss. Always can sell the parts if not needed for a reasonable price. All in all lesson here is be practical & use some sense while investing in your build. Thanks for the video Kev..

[@michaelbrashear6308]

I have been running tubeless since stans came out with their conversion kit back in early/mid 2000's. I have never had an issue with tubeless, nor had a pump gum up. I am not sure how your pump procedure goes, but you want the valve stem on the upper half of the wheel. The sealant will be mostly at the bottom and shouldnt come back through the valve stem/pump. One of the biggest issues i would have would be seating the bead, mostly because i was using a regular floor pump. I used a compressor a few times, but blew the bead a couple times, i stopped using a compressor because of it. Now i have the topeak pump with the air resevoir, no more bead seating issues. Seats everytime and havent blown a bead yet. I have also always used soapy water on the tire bead/rim seat. It helps lube the bead to help it slide into the bead seat, It also helps shows leaks in the tire/bead/spoke holes once it seated. Another life saver i have been using are valve stems with removable cores. Once i get the bead seated i remove the core. Air the tire down, add sealant, then air back up to a pressure higher than i normally run, then spin/rotate/slosh the sealant in the wheel. It will sit like that until its next ride. From there its check tire pressure, air down, go enjoy tubeless tires.

[@aberratic]

Do you not see the paragraph that you had to type about getting tubeless tires set up? He didn't say they aren't better over all, no one could argue that. He said they're not better for the rider's that are probably going to be watching his videos. Tubeless is a way bigger hassle than tossing in an inner tube and going for a ride.

[@tobins6800]

That may true. But, more serious than the occasional rider on a paved trail should try it once. It is amazing the difference that is felt from having tubes to without. There is also a different plushness that is added as well. I prefer to run tubes because I don't have an easy to seat the bead, nor the strength it sometimes takes (injuries). All the KZbinrs who show how easy it is, have been doing it for so long. Newbs trying to refresh sealant haven't learned the little nuances yet.

[@rockefelleragent1357]

Since I got the tubeless I never had a flat.... Prior to the tubeless I used to get flat almost everytime I ride.

[@cdavid119]

@@aberratic tubeless is close to the same amount of work as tubes (less over time as you get less flats) Tube: 1. rim strip 2. inflate tube slightly and insert into tire 3. get tire onto rim 4. air up tube Tubeless: 1. Rimtape 2. get tire onto rim 3. seat tire 4. remove valve core and add sealant 5. inflate tire other than that it's pretty much the same maintenance - change tubes once a season (people rarely do this and this adds to flats on the trails) vs add sealant once a season. I'd say adding sealant is even easier as you just remove the valve core and add it then put the valve core back, no need to faf with the tire.

[@MrGonzo22]

Or... put a tube in... air up... go ride...😃

[@bicyclist2]

Some people I've seen have nice frames with cheep parts. Other people I've seen have cheep frames, with nice parts. Me, I'd much rather have a cheep frame with nice parts, because it's the parts that make the bike what it is. I'm not a fan of Mongoose. I wouldn't be caught dead on one. Although I'm glad to see that you're happy with it. Thanks.

[@jonlouis2582]

When I took up cycling as an adult I would often change a lot of things on a new bike I had just bought. I soon learned that even simple mods are seldom sensible financially. It’s usually more cost effective to just sell the bike and buy another that has the features you want or need. Especially since where I live almost all the bike shops have closed, and service is expensive and hard to find.

[@quintessenceSL]

Dunno. Even a big box with all the accoutrements gets into the pricey category (and no one really makes a dutch./MTB hybrid). Finding a cheap used bike and adding "good enough" parts seems like the biggest bang for the buck. Plus I'm not basically illiterate about bike repairs anymore.

[@davidcrowson4745]

Can't find any bikes where I am. Just being content with what I have now.

[@aberratic]

That logic was sensible years ago maybe when you could find bikes.

[@eddierickenbacker6327]

if you put carbon paste on the grips and seatpost you get a better bite

[@zedtony8110]

Yes and a bonus is no stuck seatpost

[@t_c5266]

im of the opinion that if you get a good base bike, you can always upgrade it to have far better performance, while simultaneously personalizing it, for a lower cost than just spending big in the first place. If you only got the cash for the bike, thats fine. Thats absolutely what this channel is about. If you can only do some aesthetics, again, perfectly fine! And if you want to go full hardcore on your bike, hes showing you what he did for those upgrades as well too!

[@Sylvan_dB]

I think the important advantage of building up a big-box bike, is the ability to get started riding for cheap, and upgrade over time without a large outlay all at once. It probably doesn't make sense to upgrade too far. Likely it would be better to stop upgrading, start saving your cash, and when you have saved enough then buy the bike you want and sell or hand down the upgraded big-box bike.

[@stevencole7331]

My budget hardtail which I bought for $900 in 2018 is wearing a bit with 5000 miles ridden . The cranks problem need to be replaced but I can't see upgrading to more expensive cranks or anything else as the frame itself does not justify upgrades . Now I have seen people upgrade there fairly decent bike with new parts and like you said if that makes you happy than so be it but it's not worth upgrading lower end bikes as it is cheaper just to buy a better bike and you will have a better bike over your budget bike upgrade . It is cool to see what's possible . For now I will replace parts on my bike with matching quality until this bike craze is over . The big money pits are the shocks and wheels and when they need to be replaced a new bike maybe in order .

[@pr0craztinazn]

Your enthusiasm typically carries through well in your videos, which is one of the reasons why I enjoy watching your channel. This one was different: less excitement and more sobering, which befits the topic. I always appreciate your realistic takes on big box bikes and that is why I am glad you put this one out there.

[@25inspector]

I ride a big box bike because that's currently what I can afford and I am just a guy who rides bikes...I am not a serous cyclist. Now when the components wear out...I will likely replace them with slightly better one's...within reason. I won't spend tons on it though. That being said I am happy you are upgrading big box bikes and enjoy watching you do this on your channel.

[@Kay0Bot]

Pre-covid , I bought an intial big box as my first MTB and upgraded bits as I rode. Some people don't realize their are different people at different stages of life with different income.

[@aussiesoulsurfer553]

I have a 2013 GT Karakoram 2.0 after a 4 year hiatus I’ve jumped back on the bike. I was told by friends to not bother upgrading my bike and purchase a new one. I argued the trails I ride haven’t changed for 10 years, I won’t be sending it like some of the mtb KZbinrs or mtb Instagrammers .I’m a mid 30 year old man with a family and a mortgage, I gotta keep my hobby expenses low. Channels like this are so helpful and encouraging not everyone has a spare $4000 to dump on the latest Santa Cruz range.

[@philrc1]

I have gone both ways with this issue. When I first got into MTB'ing I saw the price of bike shop bikes and thought they were ridiculous. So I bought a yard sale big box bike for $15. It took me 3 months to wear it out. After watching a few KZbin vids, I was able to adjust and replace parts and rode that bike another 3 week (LOL). At that point I had decided that I wanted to stay in this hobby and get a little more serious about it. Then I bought the Mongoose XR-pro 29er. After doing some financially responsible upgrades, it was and still is a pretty decent 37 pound 90mm/120mm travel FS bike. However, at 90mm/1200mm travel and 37 pounds is WAY too heavy, and if I were to ride it as many miles as I ride my current bike, it would have been worn out years ago. Currently my 14yo grandson rides it occasionally and it serves him well for his purpose. Now, I just sold my Santa Cruz 5010C, and am looking for a Stumpjumper or Fezzari Delano Peak, both are in the $3500 range. I learned the value of a good bike shop brand bike, but also Know the value of buying what I can afford and building on it. As long as you ride, you're doing it right!!!

[@philrc1]

Another down side to upgrading the Big Box Bike is that it will have a very low resale, that is, if you ever decide to sell it. Whereas a good bike shop bike will always be desirable and hold its value. The BBB, even with it's upgrades, people are going to look at it as a BBB and offer you $75 (Sad but true).

[@danlford]

There's only one good reason to upgrade a big box bike. Once you make the 3 or 4 hundred initial investment you can part it up a little at the time. 40 bucks this week 50 bucks next month. Some folks ,like me, live pay check to pay check and coming up with over a grand at once is literally impossible unless you want to live in the dark for a month. Upgrading a big box bike is more of a necessity than a want for alot of people.

[@atefhassan5422]

I like you honesty , at least sharing your experience won't make me do same mistakes , actually not mistakes but budget alternatives , thanks brother .

[@adambcvg]

Mate, tubeless is so, so much better once you get over the initial pain. I've watched your videos for years now, even though I live in the UK and I've a Canyon full sus ebike. Doesn't matter, just love your style and enthusiasm. Thanks

[@cheut]

i feel the need to point this out, it is probably unwise to put a 140mm fork on a frame that was designed for a 100mm fork because for each 10mm of additional travel/fork height you slacken your headtube and seattube angles by half a degree, reduce your reach by 5mm, raise your bottom bracket, and lengthen your wheelbase. So jumping up 40mm in the front makes your seattube/headtube 2 degrees slacker and your reach 20mm shorter. You wont necessarily notice the shorter reach when seated but you will very much notice the slacker angles as it will make it harder to get your weight over the front end of the bike on difficult climbs. When standing on the bike you will very much notice the shorter reach as 20mm of reach difference is basically the difference between a medium bike and a small bike, making the bike feel more cramped while also longer in the wheelbase making it harder to turn at slow speeds. The higher bottom bracket will give you better pedal clearance but at the expense of handling, especially when cornering. Ideally you should never go up in travel more than 20mm. Also, carbon wheels are never worth it unless you have a high end frame with high end components. If you're looking to spend that much money, you're going to get a lot better performance for your dollar by going with better suspension and brakes.

[@The_RC_Dude]

I think that for some people (who like to work on their bike, spec their bike to their liking, and mixing and matching parts) upgrading bikes are worth it, but for others (who just want to ride, and avoid messing with their bike, and don't want to "build" their bike up), it might not be. Regardless, you're doing great Kev, and project Ledge stage 3 is a beast, it's probably the most capable "Walmart" bike I've ever seen!

[@olecranonrebellion9976]

Never had any tubeless issues ever. Owned a Revelation shock with no problems either. Cool bike.

[@ShootMyMonkey]

To me, the core point of upgrading a cheap bike is simply so that you aren't sinking a large amount of money all at once... You can do so gradually and actually have a bike to ride at every step along the way. Saving up for a nicer bike might save you money in the long run, but it means you might have a long wait before you can even get out there and ride. Sure, you can start with some bike that is total crap and have something that doesn't have good bones to begin with, and that was probably the broad truth of big box bikes just a few years back... Bikes like this Ledge, the Ardor, the Axum, even all the way down to the Al Comp, all show those days are past.

[@ony3179]

I would rather save the money and buy a better bike overall, and sell the cheap bike. However, upgrading a bike is fun and brings a sense of joy albeit unpractical. Bike prices are not practical to begin with so what the heck, i will still upgrade my bikes 😂

[@darrylwillhite7880]

As always, an excellent video that makes perfect sense. Personally, I bought my Schwinn AL comp knowing that I wasn’t keeping much more than the frame ,,at my store. They do not go on sale until winter so I’m sure I gave too much. I doubled the price of the bike, but I enjoy working on bikes and wanted something custom fit and built, especially for me. By me again, thanks for the video and I hope you never stop making them.

[@tomward8057]

Kev, I absolutely love your videos. Thanks so much for what you do! I've upgraded two of my big box bikes...... one being the Boundary. You are a true inspiration to us who can only afford big box bikes. Keep sending us these videos!

[@user-op1tq9ur3t]

I grew up bombing Giant 6+FT Dirt gaps on a bike with ZERO suspension...That being said you should see my hardtail "ALien" Comp! Splurged$$? YES! Regret? NOPE!! I hit knarley jumps/trails right next to the "rolls royces". Build what you want, Ride what you want, do what you Love Man! Thats what I say! Sweet mongoose btw. If it sends, send it!🍻🤙💯

[@Opethjunky613]

First off Kev I 100% agree about the value not really being there for that bike. My full carbon trail bike cost cost around what you spent on that bike. For you its totally worth it because you're using it to create content but if I was to build something like that myself I would instantly regret it. Its cool that you did and its for sure interesting. I'd love to see how the frame holds up to some real black diamond nastiness. Second thing. I think recommending tubes over tubeless for even an average rider is bad advice. I've destroyed nice wheels, and have had to hike miles because of tubes. Beginner riders that want to ride more aggressive, trails in the desert, rock gardens, or really anything over a green trail should 100% be tubeless with rim protection. Beginner riders make silly mistakes. Silly mistakes can cause flats and damage wheels really easily with tubes. When you're tubeless with rim protection small holes will seal themselves, big holes can be patched with a bacon strip without losing too much air, and pinch flats don't really happen unless you literally cut the sidewall of the tire. I've ridden mountain bikes for around 15 years now and once I ditched tubes I never hiked out because of a flat again. I always carry 1 tube in my bag so I can get off the trail if I cut my tire. I went from getting a flat almost every time I went riding to it just not being a problem anymore. New riders have it doubly hard because most of the time they are riding cheaper bikes that have wheels that bend easily. Having some form of rim protection can make the difference between you just accidentally bumping a rock on the trail and learning from your mistake and having to buy a new wheel. Kev no hate and I love the content. Keep riding! Come to Hawaii sometime man!

[@CiderPang27]

I have 2 bikes, a GT I bought on Facebook for £30 and a Ridgeback I bought for £50. I put new parts on which are consumables like cables and chain etc and bottom brackets. Other parts I wanted were bought pre owned from either Facebook or eBay. My family say ‘with all the money you’ve spent you could of bought a new bike’. To me that’s not the point. I can build the bike the way I want it with parts that I want on it, plus I really enjoy working on my bikes. Lately I’ve either changed something or adjusted something or just worked on them for something to do.

[@solarflare1008]

Putting money into cheap bikes for me is natural. The best riding moments were always in this types of bikes. So I am with you 100%. Respect 😎.

[@BikeDrFrankenstein]

Some people just enjoy finding something wrong or negative with what makes others happy! If they don't want a big box bike, simple answer don't buy one, and don't comment on those who enjoy buying them and doing upgrades! What's right for me and my pockets is not necessarily right for others and vice versa! All bikes are capable, capable of bringing hours of fun, exercise, nature experiences, and so much more! Awesome video thanks for point you made, simple and easy let people do what makes them happy

[@smileyguyz]

For me, I'm 17 and don't have a whole lot of money to spend at once. It's far more realistic for me to slowly upgrade my Huffy Scout, especially with the fact I bought this bike when I lived in a place with no used bike market. I'm also learning how to work on bikes, which has really taught me a lot. I can work on a car just fine, but bikes are a lot more finicky (imo) despite being far more simple.

[@bigbuggabear7179]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video. People think that what a bike looks like has anything to do with riding. To each their own... But you can find a really good $1000-$1500 bike to get into the sport.

[@nealpaige3907]

It's a fun hobby if you have money a lot of money . I tried got about 300 in and said nope gonna have to get a Trek or other quality bike . Thanks Kev for saying "I'm a KZbinr " so someone doesn't get in over their head .

[@denismacfarlane255]

A few things for you my friend. The rebound knob is missing an o ring to keep it in place…where the channel is. Your seat clamp if it isn’t in line with the slot in your seat tube, it will not clamp properly. I live in BC- Tubeless is almost mandatory here.

[@robinrai4973]

Always weigh in used! I just bought a 2016 VooDoo Canzo for 300 Pounds - 140mm Suntour Epixon front and rear, and modern enough geometry :)

[@jonathanoffler6037]

Kev I think you really hit the nail on the head with the sort of riding most of us do .

[@ArtHistoryNstuff332]

Glad I stumbled onto this video. I am in this exact situation; upgrade my big box bike with some parts (due to crappy manufacturing) or spend to get a better bike, even a good used one. My son got a great deal on a used, but well cared for, Giant mtb and he loves it. Another alternative to consider.

[@Sycoholic]

What's nice about them is that you can start off trail riding on a small budget, then upgrade as your skills or wallet increase. In the end you still have something pretty nice and capable, plus you understand more about it if you did the work yourself.

[@OGTylerP]

doing the same to a used mongoose ardor x1 I bought for 100$ used... just getting into mountain biking at 43 and wasn't sure it was for me.. so I didn't want to drop alot of money at once in case I didn't like it... also it's now winter in Canada and I love to tinker.. so building up a cheaper bike keeps me busy and interested/focused on getting on it come spring....

[@skidmarks4747]

Glad to see a follow up video and that she's still holding up. I ended up liking my X1 more than I thought I would! Looking forward to seeing it in action.

[@crtcarlson]

Really enjoy your commentary on the Mongoose Ledge and the demonstration and explanation of when enough is enough (as far as the upgrades go) Keep up the great work...and I love the little icons/emojis you put up on the video edits...adds a touch of class. Absolutely awesome!!!

[@garydobbs5159]

Big improvement on that bike. Way better than it was.

[@chrisr8244]

I think big box bikes allow you to save some money or get equivalent products for less at a lower end of the price range since you can use sources like ebay to get good high end products (deore groupset, epicons/epixons, chain rings, etc). But once you start reaching the higher end, then you reach the point where it's worth it to get a bike shop bike, or spend on a more expensive bicycle kit from other brands with better frames.

[@oldmansadventures4627]

Fun is the key! I enjoy taking a bike that might be lacking in certain areas and improving it's capabilities to suit me! It's fun!

[@frederikjacob1985]

Like I said in some previous vids, you over the ocean are lucky to have big box bikes like this that you can upgrade with better parts. Ok this bike is maybe exuberant expensive but what you have achieved with this one still blows my mind. I've just bought a decathlon am 100s full suspension bike for 1600€. For the price over here it's an absolute steal. Thanks to you Kev I will upgrade it with some funn parts. Anyhow what my point was is that big box bikes are for people who can't afford directly thousand of dollars to buy a decent MTB but are willing to upgrade it to a decent trail bike and have fun with it riding and upgrading their bike and be proud of it. I always liked this kind of content over here and made me subscribe over more than a year ago. Keep up the good work Kev! Greatings from Belgium

[@derekneumann]

2021 Specialized Stumpjumper Comp Carbon 29 in matte stealth black. One and done. Overtime was worked...

[@skunkdenmtb]

Right on Kev. I totally love my x1! So far my only down sides are really just simply the fact that I can’t get an upgraded fork or dropper post still yet for a good while, but in the meantime, I ride the heck out of what I’ve got! Really enjoyed following this build. Thanks for the insight on parts/performance.! I WAS able to pick up a DNM rear shock, and it made a huge difference in my riding!

[@vmoutsop]

Well one, it’s not like you can buy an affordable frame and build a bike to your liking so you end up buying a big box bike and upgrading. The problem is you end up spending too much. Like having the most expensive home in the worst neighborhood, it’s not worth it and you’ll never get you money back. You have to be logical and keep the upgrades reasonable to the initial cost to make it worthwhile.

[@KevCentral]

If someone is looking for return on investment bicycles are 100% NOT where they should be looking.

[@vmoutsop]

@@KevCentral yes, well obviously. I was just trying to say if your going to upgrade keep it relative to the value of the bike, if your going to spend a lot on upgrades and it makes the whole thing so expensive it’s not worth it then just buy a better bike in the first place.

[@dwtlax]

With all of that said, that's a good looking ride

[@jamesgum5492]

I’ve been watching your channel for a long time, and even though I ride a much more expensive bike, I appreciate what you do. This bike here looks amazing. You did a great job showing what’s possible. I have the revelation fork and I love it. I also spent a little money and bought the upgrade kit which is well worth it. I believe the revelation is the first fork in the RockShox lineup that can be upgraded. Anyway, keep doing you and be safe on the trails. Falling tends to hurt more as we age😉

[@theshonen8899]

Last week I bought a used 2013 Santa Cruz Bronson that the owner upgraded with a new SRAM NX Eagle groupset for $1200. The deals are still out there, I'd draw the line at $1k at most.

[@LordHolley]

You definitely can. My GT aggressor that I bought on your recommendation is a great example. The frame is really good but I got a little carried away. bought mostly used parts the bike is now amazing but I easily have 1200 bucks into it.

[@harrygrimley4352]

Thank you kev. This is the kind of things you wouldn't hear on most bike videos. Would love to ride that bike. Looks good. I like my trek Marlin 6 as is. After some time and wear I will have to do some work "upgrades". Till then 😊

[@carrickdubya4765]

6:52 Stage 2 was *THOUSANDS* cheaper than stage 3 !?! I just found your channel so I will have to see what you did but glad you had the resources to explore your options - I do not. LOL

[@johnsalzillo8097]

Unless you are a Pro rider, there is nothing wrong with upgrading a box store bike. The frames are tough albeit heavy but you can lighten up everything around it to make your bike more reliable and fun to ride.

[@jasonjavelin]

I think this type of video is great for an update on a FAQ. People new will reportedly ask the same thing or leave similar comments, it’s just a sigh of success! Awesome video as always. Glad to see that they cleared out a lot of that grass on that section of Wildwood. Gonna have to take a trip back up now that I’m way more into bikes than when I lived there. It’s on my list!

[@KevCentral]

Wildwood is changing a lot - which is good and bittersweet. I’ve been riding some areas since I was a kid that have now been changed. I’m having to adjust and learn the new changes

[@deniahmetaj]

First time hearing about tubeless gumming up pumps. And that just made me rethink wanting to go tubeless. Other than the cost of course

[@RM-wu7pt]

This sucks that there's a huge shortage right now. Of course there's a shortage right when a company offers a great value to their customers. Please give us an update if you can when these are in stock or going to be again. Especially since you they have contacted you directly. I want the X2!

[@fehrcarlo2381]

You finally came to terms with it! Congratulations 👍

[@wil717]

Tubeless is great if you ride techy chunk, esp on the dh. I flatted regularly on 6 bikes riding tubes. 2 in the past year since I went tubeless.

[@shehateme9955]

Gotta old pacific & schwinn from my youth that Dad kept around. Here to see if the frames are worth keeping & wrenching on

[@HiagoSN]

tubeless is so more comfortable, safe and reliable that's is completely worth! if you are afraid of failures, just care a spare, CO2 and bacon strips: now you are basically a tank, truly unstoppable

[@mherke]

Like you've said in the past, buying a big box bike is a good idea for people on a tight budget and allows them to upgrade as they start to earn more money. It's good your letting people know what upgrades are not worth it.

[@vader7497]

That is a sweet looking bike NICE JOB!!

[@followmylines]

I definitely love tubeless, but I ride hard multiple times per week! The bike looks sweet!!!

[@Randy-ry9ss]

I love watching your upgrade videos...........

[@mikebain2790]

Great summary of your build and I am also an average rider and enjoy the time on my bikes

[@jf8534]

Never had an issue with pump gumming up but the valve stems, oh yes big time.

[@patrickkocha6290]

Kev your the best you really are keep doing exactly what you think on your first thought don't listen to the negative people I don't see them doing good video like yours

[@MB-jz3uu]

Honestly it's pretty hard to find a full suspension frame for less than $500 that has good geometry. So to just buy this bike to just use the frame isn't completely dumb.

[@backcenter2]

The orange components look amazing.

[@shawnj6279]

I know you don't do many videos on hybrid bikes but you might want to look into a Schwinn Glenwood hybrid 21 speed . This bike is 228 dollars and has very nice features and works nice. Mountain bikes from Schwinn are my favorite and own a 2021 boundary and schwinn 2021 comp.

[@KevCentral]

Thanks. Hopefully I’ll come across one

[@clive1248]

Great video again 👍 great looking bike to i am still upgrading my mongoose villain3 2021 still trying to pick a fork and tyres for it so love watching your videos helps out a lot keep up the good work 👍

[@Proudlion447]

If you’re looking for another big box bike to review I’ve got a good suggestion for you! It’s the Ozone 500 Gira Terreno! I haven’t seen many other reviews on it and I would love to hear what you have to say about it!

[@simrigpc27b12]

I have a Reba RL on mine with the DNM rear and I think that is as far as anyone should go before diminishing returns. Drivetrain and wheel set on the cheap (tubeless is a must IMO) and the bike is a home run. I still prefer my Hydro though 😉😄

[@Todd66]

That bike is sharp. I wish the 29 had that color of frame. I The things to keep in mind about upgrading a Wally Bike is to make sure the specs are what you want. Then when you are ready to upgrade to a higher end bike, you can just keep the good stuff for a that build... frame and a few components and you have a 5k MTB that you did not have to throw down the whole chunk of green back for at once. One could do all the upgrades and transfer them to a nice Chinese carbon fiber frame off amazon for 1k.

[@KevCentral]

Note: it’s the same frame, so 29er wheels fit on the X1

[@Todd66]

@@KevCentral nice. Again, really nice job on the bike. The color combo is really hot.

[@dasanoneia4730]

yo thats the sickest walmart bike ever really nice

[@MichaelRei99]

You know when you said it’s all about personal happiness a bell went off in my head! Whose to say what is or isn’t right for someone? Even though it may not make common or cost sense if the person doing the investing gets joy from it whose to say otherwise!! I’m a fan of your mongoose even though I wouldn’t do it it but then again your reasoning is sound it’s good for you channel. I’ll stop rambling now and just give you this.👍👍

[@drewsenthused6079]

Here in Phoenix, tubeless is essential. Haven't had a pump gummed up, just the valve stem.

[@ebenkrausz2997]

Idk i’m just doing on mountain bikes that I did on my bmx bikes buy a cheap bike upgrade parts as I can afford them and finally buy a frame I want, transfer all my parts over to new frame and bam, high end bike for what feels at the time like a small amount of money.

[@upperparkranger5665]

That geometry looks so similar to my devinci troy, big box has come a long way. Disagree on the tubeless setup tho. Just pay a shop 30 bucks to set it all up for you and you'll rarely need to worry about it again. Much better than having to change flats with tubes.

[@_Schreintime]

I'm close to having 1000 miles on my mongoose ripsaw. Of course, I've upgraded a few things. But still, $300 well spent.

[@tuffytoys9707]

Hey Kev I have a question and I hope you reply. I am just around 6 ft tall and I am deciding on getting a new bike to start out riding again and I can't decide between the Mongoose XR Pro, The Ledge X2 or the Schwinn Axum. I can get only one and I plan to leave it stock for as long as possible. I will mainly use the bike for light exercise and commuting on badly paved roads or light trails. Since you have experience with all 3 which one would you recommend? It will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. I like the look of the XR pro though.

[@1991SuperTrain]

Thank you for your post.

[@MrKJ221]

It's also the point of a better geometry or linkage you can get for 3000 to 4000. But to each their own.

[@jimratzlaff3112]

We went tubeless because I got flats from the blackberry vines that line the trail where we ride.

[@dirtyworks8084]

I would rather start off with a good used high end bike and go from there. Like he said, personal preference.

[@southernmtbtrails6382]

Use some lock tight on thru axle. Works.

[@porterdallenbach1639]

I spent $1800 and it's great! Marin Rift Zone!

[@jerimeiwillis]

Mongoose xr 450.. old . 7000 high nickel alum alloy. That's a hell of a start for a custom build.. u have 650$ in my bike total.. some new some used parts air suspension front in rear bontrager wheels. Road shock front end, disc brakes, upgraded crank, front and rear Derailers. And custom gearing.. does what I want it to do but I'm not a super aggressive rider. And I'm 270$ lbs I wanted a bike that could take some heavy weight abuse..

[@decembershaine4056]

Not a hard core guy, in MTB. I'm Starting a channel that builds up to going higher. Not rich .great Video.

[@clint2627]

I go back n forth on tubeless as well

[@14DAVEYO]

It's a hobby..enjoyable hobby. Prices sometimes don't matter in the end

[@armandojuan64]

Stage 2 was perfect .

[@RomansDowntime]

I think if its something that makes you happy and you plan to use it for years, then its a good return in investment. Of course only spend what you can afford at any given time.

[@willlanier4319]

Another interesting video. I also run Conti Mountain Kings but I never went tubeless. Just get the Slime tubes from Walmart, and I can run 15-20 lbs and I've never had a pinch flat. Like you, I'm am average rider (10-20 miles a week) and I don't do crazy stuff; however, Southeast Virginia trails are very rooty and will put a tire through its paces.

[@KevCentral]

Wildwood is full of roots too. Recently, they’ve started working on the trails and taking out many roots. It will be interesting to see what comes of that

[@willlanier4319]

@@KevCentral better downhills I hope! It's hard to get any speed when you're just hanging on and hoping a root doesn't throw you into a 30ft. ravine! Gotta love it!

[@dcouture79]

A little surprised to hear your tubeless issues. In the last 6 years I’ve had one gummed up tire valve. Absolutely no other issues and same goes with everyone I ride with. I will never ride tubes on my Mtn bike again.

[@VerthNeel]

Stage 2 was spot on.