OMG😱 Dude, you are a genius. Humans have already been to the moon, they are preparing to go to Mars, but all these issues you said are so impossible to solve, just like destroying a black hole in the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

All of this can be addressed through studies, research, analysis, testing, prototypes, self-improvement, and so on. Not everything is solved overnight, just as these issues will be dealt with over time as seastead companies develop new prototypes that can be used in future seastead communities in international waters. First, The Seasteading Institute needs to become a Classification Society to certify future seasteads and ensure compliance with international maritime laws, a process that will likely take up to two years due to the fact that most of The Seasteading Institute's members are volunteers. After that, we need seasteads capable of withstanding and remaining stable in international waters for at least 100 years. Finally, we can address the questions you raised.

@@FF-xw8gs two things are immutable: physics and human nature. You’re battling both of them. It’s a ridiculous idea and it isn’t going to happen.

​@@skeptic_alI don't understand; we are not doing anything different from what already exists today. Don't offshore floating oil platforms already exist? Why would it be different if we made them cheaper and smaller? I don't understand why 'human nature' would prevent such a project. There are many types of social organizations for humans, such as community associations, NGOs, businesses, HOAs, condominiums, churches, foundations, institutes, charities, etc. All of these are feasible demonstrations that humans can organize and cooperate with each other. Well, I’m sorry to say, but you’re going to be disappointed because these projects are going to happen. Obviously, it may take about 20 years to establish the first seastead community in international waters, but they will happen.

@ what does not exist is independent micro nation states on oil platforms. “Residents” of such will be entirely dependent on the mainland and will have precious little to barter with for their bread and water, not to mention electricity. Perhaps each “state” will have a resident billionaire who underwrites the enterprise as a vanity project, but short of that you’re talking about impoverished hermits on resource-intensive barges trying to eke out an existence in the harshest micro climates on earth. I may live another 20 years on this planet, hopefully more. If I see a successful social organization living independent of larger government structures on man made island in the seas, I’ll eat my hat. Until then it’s a fantasy, and a rather unattractive one at that.

no, but there's no intention to place it in hurricane areas

@@seasteading with more extreme weather conditions due to climate change you can’t really guarantee what areas won’t encounter them.

@@luther0013 Equatars will never get any hurricanes ever. You can look up why.

None of that has anything to do with seasteading.

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So, what do you recommend for dealing with state navies invading and stealing floating platforms? All governments will consider this "legitimate," and seasteading communities will be shut down before they even begin. If we don't have the capabilities or technologies to build a seasteading community in international waters right now, imagine having the military capability to repel state navy invasions. Therefore, you have to play by the rules of the big players, while you are not a big player yourself to negotiate on equal terms.

@@FF-xw8gs good point I guess. I guess the situation is just non optimal for now

​@@JoeHeineBut the situation is really not ideal for seasteading right now, which is why the Seasteading Institute is dealing with legal aspects, but there are still maritime technological aspects that need improvement. I believe that only in 20 years will there be a seasteading community in international waters. Until then, most likely the projects are focused on the coasts and economic zones to validate the idea. Perhaps it would be interesting in this process to lobby some small countries like Nauru, Fiji, or Tuvalu to approve a law called "Special Oceanic Administrative Region," similar to how Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region of China. The only matters China handles concerning Hong Kong are foreign relations and external defense. With this law, seastead platforms could self-govern with their own laws. The platform owner would just need to fill out a form, pay some fees, and register it, let’s say in Tuvalu, as a "Special Oceanic Administrative Region," and voilà, we would have our own laws. Although we would be exempt from Tuvalu’s national laws, we would still have to comply with international maritime laws, which fortunately are not that restrictive, and we would still need to fly the flag of the country. Most likely, we would only be able to become truly independent when seasteading communities are economically rich and influential enough to play in the big leagues. But I think that is much better than doing nothing or placing my hope in foolish politics that will NEVER bring the freedoms we truly want. The political game is dominated by progressives and conservatives, with no space for libertarians and anarcho-capitalists, which is why I think it’s foolish for them to worry about participating in politics, believing that libertarians will be elected someday.

I like the idea of an apophatic constitution "if it ain't wrong, it's probably right"

Ty! And to Carly as well for running the show so artfully each time =)

It's not as easy as it sounds to convert a cruise ship into a seastead: www.seasteading.org/convert-cruise-ships-to-seasteads/

Agreed

More of a barge than a boat. The Dutch love these types for lakes and cannals.

Every vessel on the ocean should have a flag if they want to avoid fighting off being claimed by others. A flag for a vessel is like a passport for a person, it gives you access to representation in a legal dispute.

@@seasteading it also means you are under the laws of the country you have the flag of.

​@@luther0013True, but this is better than a state navy coming to seasteads in international waters and simply stealing or destroying them. Under International Maritime Law, any vessel or structure at sea that does not fly the flag of a recognized country is considered a "pirate". This means that any navy has the "legitimacy" to confiscate or destroy them.

@@FF-xw8gs I know that. But flying the flag of a specific country completely invalidates the primary reason for seasteading.

@@luther0013It may be, but at this initial moment of the birth of seasteading communities in international waters, we will have to follow the rules of the 'big players' (States and international organizations) just to have a chance for them to grow or prosper. If we were to arrive as the 'badass anarchists,' insulting and ridiculing all the States of the world, some State would come up with some excuse to intervene or try to demolish the seasteads. Therefore, in the early years of the childhood and adolescence of seasteading communities (In the first 20 years since the establishment of the first seastead community in international waters), we must 'follow the rules' as much as possible and always maintain a low, discreet, and non-provocative profile against the status quo system, demonstrating that it is more advantageous to have seasteaders as allies rather than enemies. After 50 years or more, when prosperity and wealth surpass many times that of States, we can begin to think about real independence. This is a pragmatic and realistic approach that I believe has a great chance of success. Unfortunately, we will have to postpone the 'primay reason' for seasteading for about 50 years until we start to have power and a voice to question the global status quo. And finally we managed to have a truly free and voluntary society in the world, totally independent.

that's why people organizing in international waters is a great option, and should be explored. and whether you're on land, or at sea, when an armed gang of terrorists calling themselves government, decides to attack, it's pretty hard to defend against them; fighting and brute force probably won't be the best option. perhaps finesse, and developing a mutually beneficial relationship with a small country, off their coast, might be promising.

@@michaelgusovsky Country defense is no different from personal defense in this regard. Eventually, if you can't back it up with brute force you will be a victim of those who will use force.

@@governmentisslavery you're speculating, and presenting your speculation as fact. if you want to try to use arms to defend yourself against government aggression, that's your right, but i suspect it won't end well.

there's nothing to shut down...people gathering together offshore is perfectly legal. also, international waters = not under usa government jurisdiction

@@michaelgusovsky that’s not how international waters work. Expect yourselves to be constantly raided by pirates with no one coming to help you or whatever government you are operating under the flag of to be constantly checking you are operating within their laws.

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Exactly this. At some point someone with enough money and brains will just have to DO IT. You can’t comply your way to freedom. You can choose to be respectable or you can choose to be free - it’s basically impossible to be both.

So, what do you recommend for dealing with state navies invading and stealing floating platforms? All governments will consider this 'legitimate,' and seasteading communities will be shut down before they even begin. If we don't have the capabilities or technologies to build a seasteading community in international waters right now, imagine having the military capability to repel state navy invasions. Therefore, you have to play by the rules of the big players, while you are not a big player yourself to negotiate on equal terms.

@@FF-xw8gs you raise a very good point. In my opinion the only way to get around this would be to do this in Antarctica under the rubric of research and the Antarctic Treaty system. You need to be in an extreme environment. Not only is military activity banned south of 60 degrees, it is very physically difficult to conduct operations there. To add an additional layer of protection you could make the colony submarine and mobile. Is this ridiculously expensive? Yes. But it is still vastly cheaper and safer than colonizing the Moon or Mars. I agree with you in the sense that I doubt you could have a pleasant Seastead floating in temperate or tropical waters anywhere in the world and not have it shut down or otherwise screwed with. A submarine Seastead moving around beneath the Antarctic ice sheets would be a challenge to deal with even for the US navy. And this is much less fantastical than any off-world colony.