US sues Apple over iPhone monopoly, explained

[@TheVerge]

How do you see this, third DOJ lawsuit against Apple, play out?

[@stevenbaumann8692]

It'll fizzle out into nothing. Especially when Apple starts contributing to all the politicians campaign funds.

[@Nattodayy]

Cool. Sue them to make my iPhone better.

[@STF_YVR]

Useless civil servants trying to justify their existence … the consumers will not benefit from this

[@anthonytovar]

3rd time is a charm

[@rhemy1]

It’s going to be an incredible waste of time and resources. With all the problems in technology this is what the doj decides to do.

[@sentientbeing05]

Selling pro laptops with 8gb of base memory and charging $200 for memory upgrade is an absolute theft.

[@Jaraizer]

Preach!

[@KlutchAndJerel]

The upgrade pricing is absolutely ridiculous, but 8gb of RAM is very much usable, even on a “pro” machine

[@kruxdt6307]

​@@KlutchAndJerelNuh uh

[@AkshaySingh-k3s]

... iPhone back cover change, restricted repairing, offset people for memory upgrade .....is all essential/intrinsic part of the extremely crucial process of tightly knitted eco chamber which Apple offers to its customers for unparalleled SOFTWARE/HARDWARE SECURITY , TOP NOTCH CONSTRUCTION 👈 No other Tech Mammoth has ever been able to afford in this planet . THAT'S WHY ITS APPLE.🧡

[@nottsoinnocent]

Coming straight from today's MKBHD video huh

[@DamonMedekMusic]

Apple about to drop a $500 million dollar donation to a special someone.

[@t0n0k0]

💯

[@gillianorley]

Well, we know Hunter is a Mac user. Or is that “Russian disinformation”?

[@jacqdanieles]

@@gillianorley Hunter Derangement Syndrome

[@Iamtheman325]

Yea lobbying is just leagal bribery after mark zuckerberg was caught selling data and got slapped vwith a 750million dollars what are the odds he's still selling our data?

[@tienphan637]

Wait, is it some kind of bribery??

[@BizzleByron]

The memory upgrade price gouging needs addressing more than anything, it’s borderline criminal.

[@vz3_]

I just paid $800 in additional cost for a MacBook Air with 24gb of RAM and 1tb of storage. It’s brutal, and needs to change.

[@kevinba7981]

@vz3_ The air doesn’t have fans, why would you upgrade the ram if the air wasn’t designed to do heavy task and overloaded apps. That’s what the pro is for.

[@kevinba7981]

@@vz3_.

[@cjfulbright]

IT is criminal, if you are held captive , and can't use any third party apps, once you own your phone.

[@mariozamora9684]

Memory and Storage upgrade.

[@Jaxv3r]

after EU fighting Apple with Consumer, finally the US hops in

[@bruxi78230]

EU hasn't won any case yet. They make a lot noise so the misinformed think something is going on.

[@asianstud7]

The EU has always been the leader in pro consumer protection. The US has a lot to learn.

[@faheemabbas3965]

@@asianstud7US is a business. Why would they want to step in?

[@miles5600]

@@faheemabbas3965 cause these changes won't really damage anyone's wallet lol

[@KamaAnthem]

I detect a little communism..

[@brightziee]

WE USED TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@ljames5561]

Thank god, I love apple products but 200$ or more for a memory upgrade is robbery

[@Furiousbanner]

used to pray? we still praying my guy, never let up

[@CdeMaDaejsAripi]

😑 🙏🏾 👖

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@ljames5561 You people know that Apple aren't just changing a ram stick, right? Its not the same as other laptops which is one big reason it costs so much, but also one reason why the performance is so good....

[@Jonathan.Gearhart]

I’m watching this on an iPhone

[@VIJAYBALAJI_G]

Apple is the King of software restrictions.

[@gljames24]

Not just software; hardware too!

[@hirnfaser7245]

its always been. its a decision, not just a business strategy. you can only achieve this kind of quality by having strict control over everything that happens. - whether thats true or not, its a kind of design philosophy that a lot of designers at least somewhat agree to.

[@gillianorley]

Then buy something else.

[@borisbalkan707]

So buy a Samsung

[@joeyboli]

@@borisbalkan707 so shut up and enjoy better innovation by other developers which isnt provided by 'Apple'

[@sadjesse]

I’m an Apple user, but I Love how all governments around the world are FINALLY attacking the monopoly! After Apple, take on Google with their Chrome browser and other stuff.

[@niZmosis]

What is funny about Chrome is that it is built on WebKit which is one of the only projects Apple open sourced.

[@vankerosene8164]

@@niZmosisWebkit was forked from KHTML !

[@Thtuy]

I am amazed on how little and how much people know to think someone said chrome is a monopoly is crazy 😂😂,it's the Google service but I get where yr coming from

[@caydenthompson126]

What do you mean go after Google? You can use Chrome on anything

[@MasterFloop]

I am in the exact same boat! Dismantle the monopoly. Consumers should be allowed to use whatever tech they want and have it work well with whatever other tech they want.

[@kilimanjaro1893]

Ticketmaster too please, need to be open that case again

[@CoryPchajek]

Ticketmaster is far worse than Apple.

[@ralphcorneliuscastro]

100% YESSSS!!!!!

[@abinodattil6422]

Ticketmaster is evil

[@ljacobs357]

Both personify American greed.

[@RareFXChrisC]

Yes! Also Google.

[@localnyraccoon]

$200 memory upgrades is absurd.

[@AnakinSkywalker_1858]

As absurd as the may be I don’t remember Apple forcing anyone to buy their products u have a choice… So if u can’t afford it then stick to something that u can afford

[@nakiangoderich3014]

@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 Let’s see… need a Mac or MacBook to do certain things, develop iOS apps, etc etc. So actually, Apple does indeed force used to purchase their insanely expensive products because of a simple thing: Abusive Ecosystem where they milk the developers and customers. Even trapping you in the Apple ecosystem.

[@xcelpast]

then don't pay for it lol. nobody is forcing you to buy a macbook. mercedes charging $20k for a bigger engine with leather seats is absurd too 🤡

[@MichaelGGarry]

They aren't just swapping RAM sticks, you know this right?

[@mashirokobato5509]

​@@AnakinSkywalker_1858lolz 8gb ram is ultra scam btw.. non upgradable hardware.... Planned obsolescence...

[@HspncAt7heDisco]

The turnaround time on this video is super impressive. Great job Alex and team!

[@NiceEyeballs]

I have two brain cells. What's turnaround time of a video? Like how fast they got the news and made a video of it?

[@Loggerr]

​@@NiceEyeballsExactly

[@tren-y2m]

The sideloading ban is such a copout. Imagine owning a computer and not being allowed to download stuff from the internet, unless it's on the inbuilt app store on the laptop. Apple does this to force developers into the 30% revenue split on the app store

[@westcoastavenger]

And without Apple, those companies do not get access to 1.2B users. You should have to pay to access their user base

[@exponentialdongexpansion5223]

​@@westcoastavengerSide loading is a part of owning your phone. Being able to install the apps you want from who you want. Are you saying that every windows app should be from the Microsoft store? That every Mac app should be from the app store? That I shouldn't be able to download an older version of an app or an app that's banned from the app store? That small developers making apps for their community should be forced to pay apple to make their apps available? Your argument is inherently anti-consumer and anti-competition; customers and developers should be able to choose how to get and sell their apps.

[@rassular]

@@exponentialdongexpansion5223 People want their corporatocracy, and they'll keep fighting for it until they get what they want

[@me-myself-i787]

​@@exponentialdongexpansion5223You own the phone, not the operating system. You could uninstall iOS and install Android on your iPhone and then you could use whatever apps you like. But if you want to use iOS, you have to accept their conditions.

[@J-Box9000]

What do you mean? You can “side load” all day on macOS and not have to touch the Apple App Store. A lot of great apps by indie developers can’t be found in the App Store. If you mean to say iOS and iPadOS, I hear you, but by prohibiting side loading you shrink the attack surface area tremendously. Go jailbreak your iPhone if you must side load, but why go through the trouble when it’s so easy to side load and root on Android?? There are tons of ROMS to choose from. Android is well known for its customizable features. A lot of people bank on their smartphone nowadays so security should be the top priority for these devices.

[@GaTeR2006]

Sue Comcast too

[@Jaraizer]

They can all get some of this court action

[@tiromandal6399]

Apple is the far bigger evil.

[@queasycarboy508]

​@@Jaraizer i'm sorry but i'm unaware of those 2 companies. Could you tell me what they did?

[@kevinba7981]

@@queasycarboy508their website won’t let customers end their subscription

[@najjee9467]

Please sue them, they’ve had a monopoly on home internet for too long. Other companies always saying, we’re not available in your area. At my old address the options were Xfinity or DSL from AT&T

[@rws91942]

The irony of this lawsuit ( that should have happened a long time ago.) is just how much Apple benefited from that Microsoft lawsuit.

[@maxhill9254]

How did apple benefit exactly? Please elaborate.

[@ceasetheday87]

@@maxhill9254 The original post quotes this video almost verbatim. Start from 1:04.

[@rohith9439]

microsoft especially led by bill gates invested 200 million in Apple to appear in good books after they got sued by US government. Apple need that cash real bad at that time@@maxhill9254

[@onweze1781]

​@@maxhill9254 made a lot of people switch to Mac in a time where most people used windows

[@chlehqls]

​@@maxhill9254MS threw Apple a lifeline and support since MS was getting antitrust violations shoveled to them at the time. How the turn tables

[@powerhouse884]

I am gonna be very honest here…. The CLOUD GAMING issue is super BS from Apple. Xbox Gamepass needs to use the Browser to work on iOS cuz Apple has some idiotic rules over Cloud gaming. So I understand the MANY complaints against Apple. Some may be justified but others are straight up BS from Apple. I have an iPhone and iPad and they really need to low the gear on their strict rules. Like LITERALLY if the user wants to take the risk it should 100% be on the user’s decision. Not theirs.

[@rhemy1]

Why do you have an iPhone if you hate it so much?

[@powerhouse884]

@@rhemy1 I don’t hate the iPhone. The iPhone doesn’t need change. The iOS regulations do. They do NOT do this for macOS so makes no sense to enforce it on iOS.

[@Altik.]

@@powerhouse884macOS is something different :))

[@SikSlayer]

@@powerhouse884 typical Apple fan bs response to what you said too. Asking why you hate anything... you made you point very clear.

[@asianstud7]

Whats Apples justification for restricting the Cloud gaming to the browser?

[@Forge17]

The problem with Apple’s ecosystem isn’t that it’s seamless and vertically integrated, it’s that it’s a captive ecosystem. A massive one that now branches across most facets of people’s tech and monopolizes their options over time.

[@MichaelGGarry]

You mean similar to Samsung, Google and Huawei?

[@ratrodgrady]

​@@MichaelGGarry In what way do those companies discourage you from using other products?

[@oevers]

@@MichaelGGarryAs Samsung user, this is not quite true. They all have their own ecosystem, but if you buy a product from another company (like a smartwatch), most features also work with your samsung phone. They don’t do as much to prevent you from buying other products.

[@wlonsdale1]

​@@MichaelGGarrynot exactly. With the others you can side load or download apps from other sources. Android works with other android.

[@PWingert1966]

The answer is simple Require that Apple allow Android, Linux or any OS to be installed on iPhones with full access to all processor features. Require that they make iOS open source and available to all and support RCS fully.

[@WilliamSmith-hf8um]

Apple doesn't allow the real Chrome or Firefox on the iPhone/iPad, which is crazy. Chrome uses the Chromium engine and Firefox uses the Gecko engine, but Apple won't allow them

[@AnakinSkywalker_1858]

Yh Apple forces them to use WebKit because it’s their proprietary system and it works incredibly well with iOS

[@WilliamSmith-hf8um]

No, Apple does not allow Chromium or Gecko on iOS or iPadOS. Firefox for iOS is based on Webkit, which is why it's so terrible

[@esotericjahanism5251]

@@WilliamSmith-hf8um Ironically enough Chrome was first built using webkit

[@sukhmandersingh4306]

​@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 No it's because they want a browser monopoly on their devices.

[@ArunWadhwa]

Tbh, I’m happy with Chromium being kept out of iOS, but not having Gecko is a missed opportunity.

[@kneelesh48]

Gonna get a bucket load of popcorn for this

[@ayushmauryars]

Share with me too 😢

[@frenchiesaparis5741]

LOL 🍿🍿🍿

[@blue_ig1]

Why? For a government stopping a company for being popular? I don’t agree with apple all the way, but tearing a company apart cause they sell too much tech is brain dead

[@Dave-cg9li]

This isn't about any single thing like green/blue bubbles. This is about the pattetn of hundreds anti-competitive tactics that apple uses. Hopefully this finally gets Apple to make some bigger changes and start playing more fair.

[@corvacopia]

And the green/blue bubbles themselves aren’t that big a deal, the bigger problem is the reduction of features and quality for messaging with non-iPhones

[@IceBlueLugia]

What could be interesting is if Apple starts being “forced” to become less restrictive even if technically they don’t lose the lawsuit. Google pays Mozilla every year to develop Firefox to show regulators that a competitor to Chromium exists. Because there were so many anti-trust concerns. If Apple gets put in a similar situation, we might see sideloading happen, or hell maybe even iMessage/FaceTime come to Android

[@aHungiePanda]

How are they not playing fair? You want them to open up their ecosystem? If so why? The only people that hate Apple are poor people and android users

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@corvacopia There are loads of quality messaging apps on an iPhone already. The rest of the world thinks the American addiction to ancient SMS is laughable,

[@wlonsdale1]

​@@MichaelGGarrybut the rest of the world is addicted to being spies on with those same apps

[@e-scott8326]

It's about time. What took the DOJ so long?

[@kookoo6128]

preperation on apple's part, and any other party who got on board with, who ever needed to be gotten on board with.

[@ashbowers8028]

They forgot to pay a bribe... er.. their lobbyists forgot to pay the right politicians.

[@GarrEFeLix]

Someone in the DOJ is looking for a pay out to put this away

[@codecode1948]

Biden needs funds to defeat Trump

[@HelloMen001]

So, will they finally remove the need of a mac to develop apps for ios?

[@dess3597]

Nope! 🤣

[@the_mariocrafter]

Buy a Mac, but you might not need to pay 25 dollars a year to distribute it

[@dis6900]

If android gets iMessage or compatibility with RCS, I'm dumping my 14 Pro for a Pixel 8 Pro.

[@sentientbeing05]

RCS is coming to iMessage

[@Anderson-hi9qw]

Lets see how much they inhibit rcs though

[@jaughnekow]

Nobody cares. Messaging is messaging

[@tarunnekkanti7439]

Whatsapp bro!

[@NorthlanderMN]

Same here. Can’t wait to dump my iPhone. It’s definitely a cult.

[@shantooobeg]

8gb ram 200$ 256gb storage 200$ That's apple inovation

[@HoustonKhanyile]

This case just gave the W to Epic games who lost their cases. They lost the battle but they won the war.

[@bruxi78230]

In the Epic case the judge indicated that Apple was not a monopoly. No way the DOJ wins this new case, they're just shaking down Apple.

[@another_turtle]

@@bruxi78230 Yeah, just because Iphone are popular and apple doesn't allow 3rd party apps on their phone doesn't mean its a monopoly. DOJ rather go after this than airlines that cause actual danger to people.

[@HoustonKhanyile]

I don't think they want too. Just like you said they want to shake down Apple until they cave. which is what Epic games wanted, somebody with the power to reel Apple in. It's a master strategy I tell you@@bruxi78230 .

[@KonohasYeIlowFlash]

@@bruxi78230The DOJ makes some very good points. It’ll still be interesting to see how Apple counters their arguments. I imagine some sort of change to iOS/iPhones will result from this litigation, but this saga will play out of the next several years-there won’t be any swift resolution.

[@westcoastavenger]

@@bruxi78230b-b-b-bingo! Cant be a monopoly if you only have a 30% marketshare.

[@thisismetoday]

Why now? This lawsuit is like ten years late!!

[@thisismetoday]

@@P.90.603 not for the millions impacted in those ten years

[@xpenzfan]

Kind of a weird feeling I got from the omittance of "It would also set a dangerous precedent, empowering government to take a heavy hand in designing people's technology." I 100% agree with the idea that Apple has, in fact, created a monopoly of sorts in various ways, many of which are provided in this very video. However, it does call to question just how much power the government should have over this sort of thing. Is this truly the government protecting the people from Apple's "digital tax", or is it just the government wanting all of the "taxation" to itself? With how much the government has dropped the ball on technological issues in the past (see the entirety of the right to repair movement, it's a wonderful thing yet the government is big stupid), I hardly think the government is doing this simply to protect its people. When it comes to the government, there's always a price.

[@another_turtle]

The definition of a monopoly is "the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.", you are not forced to buy an iPhone or apple watch this is all just a waste of tax dollars and to avoid going after real problems like the airline industry.

[@monkymind4316]

Yes I think they are afraid of the potential power Apple could have over people. They don't like anything to threaten their all important power.

[@gittyupalice96]

@@monkymind4316 good lord, the "United States of Apple" Imagine how the Apple DMV's would work. Please update your car, or we'll disable the device!

[@M4NA5]

All monopolies need to be broken down - Apple, Amazon, Google, and Facebook.

[@schoonerthedog]

Not defending Apple, but the US suing Apple for a monopoly is a terrible joke since our grid, medicine, and cable are through one supplier in over 90% of the country. But better go after the company you don’t NEED to buy a cell phone or laptop with. I just don’t see how it’s a monopoly when it’s a choice to purchase it and the market has other options. By this regard Samsung is a bigger monopoly since they make refrigerators, washers, cell phones, laptops, TVs, etc…

[@laurencefraser]

There is no law against being a monopoly. There are plenty of laws regarding what you are and are not allowed to do in order to reach and maintain that status, and the closer you are to it the closer the regulators will be looking at you for potential screwups, but being a monopoly is not, itself, a problem. Of course, it's a rare corporation that, having found itself with a monopoly, Won't promptly start abusing the hell out of it without heavy government regulation and oversite (which the US government Hates having to do), so...

[@pranavmv6333]

Apple only succed because Microsoft sued by US over monopoly. Check history

[@KobinaGordon]

Samsung’s systems are not as integrated as apple. Their home appliances do not relate to each other

[@DaSIL3NC3R]

@@KobinaGordonthat’s why it’s a mess.

[@languist]

This is the last thing I expected, for the US government to sue one of its country’s companies… normally the EU sues Apple, but not the US

[@mboiko]

Microsoft thought the same thing...they were wrong.

[@pranavmv6333]

If US not sue Microsoft back then. Apple will be bankrupted

[@bibinshree3958]

Are we seeing sunshine on the horizon?

[@Al_i8]

No, they'll just settle with the government and give them a handsome payout. Consumers will get nothing good out of this.

[@taylorcontreras5656]

@@Al_i8That’s all they want

[@kylorokx1552]

Ram and storage upgrade is a daylight robbery

[@mkhud50n]

There needs to be more choices than just iPhones and Androids. A duopoly isn’t much better than a monopoly. It’s ALL duopolies.

[@PennyHerbst]

How do you expect app development to work on more platforms? We have seen exactly that back when there was Windows Phone. It sucked, mainly because most apps will be available only on Android and iOS

[@litojonny]

you know how hard that'll be?

[@joemorales643]

There used to be a third great option but y’all didn’t like it: Windows Phone

[@Belaziraf]

@@PennyHerbst You forgot Blackberry. And now Harmony OS from Huawey. For Freelancer, developing for one platform consume enough time. For companies, it means twice (not exactly, but you get the idea) the cost. And it obviously go up, the more platform they have to manage. Then the main point remain ROI. More platform doesn't mean tons of users on them. MS store is still far behind. And I don't think Windows phone will be seen again before the store offer more apps. They better hurry, though as Samsung is stepping on the seamless ecosystem, which had always been Apple's best selling point. If MS can't get onboard on time, they can forget about trying a Windows Mobile OS again.

[@mkhud50n]

@@PennyHerbst start over from scratch. Make apps that run on any platform. Maybe apps aren’t even needed anymore. Kind of hard to do when the market is already captured which is what they should have been preventing before it got this far. It’s like Coke or Pepsi at this point: either way Big Soda wins. It’s the illusion of choice with only two choices.

[@D0MiNATE49ER]

Former Apple user here watching this on my Samsung Fold 5 😊

[@JDoG867]

Doesn’t bother me to pay an Apple tax, I know what I’m paying for and I like it. The very reason I don’t buy a low budget android phone or even a high budget Android phone for that matter. I appreciate the ecosystem and you can’t convince me otherwise. 🍎 everything.

[@ijimkoz]

If this allows Firefox and other browsers to have their true rendering engines and add-on support like UBO in the USA, then I am all for this.

[@KaseemBooker]

Sue the Banks and Oil Companies

[@Steve-nf1tg]

Sue everybody!!

[@NorthlanderMN]

I’m for breaking up all the big banks.

[@joelimbergamo639]

Oil companies are already whats left after they glt sued. Do you remember standard oil?

[@KaseemBooker]

@@O._.O._.O lol 😂

[@lalnunpuiafanai9479]

@@O._.O._.O90% of americans didnt prefer these to other fast food chains tho, while 90% of americans use iphones

[@nonnnth]

As iOS dev, I hate app store fees, but they do the same thing when you want to sell stuff at walmart or any big chain store. Saying people have no choice but to pay them is wrong. You can choose to only distribute on other stores, like the Play Store. It’s not different from how some products can only be found at one store and not the other even though the store doesn’t make them. Some customers only shop at, let’s say Target, and you don’t have your goods on their shelves, that’s your choice, you won’t be able to access those people unless you pay them. Same thing happens here. What they’re saying is they want you to let other people set up their shop to sell the same stuff as you do in your sales area. If it ever happens, it should be your choice, not by law.

[@thor9562]

This is accurate

[@Jonteponte71]

People forgot a long time ago that if you wanted to distribute software before the appstore it was much more expensive per app (like ten times or more. And everyone had their own appstore and payment method) and when you wanted to distribute through physical stores you got to keep maybe 25% of the final sales price. If that. 20 years later, people scream bloody murder when they *only* get to keep SEVENTY PERCENT of the sales price. It could be cheaper, but it is not anywhere close to unreasonable. If it was, Google would only charge 5% and and no one would develop for iOS.

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@Jonteponte71 You'd be lucky to even get the 25%, especially if you were working with a publisher!

[@voodoodisco]

@nonnnth 100%

[@Matti861]

When I sell my goods at a big box store I'm selling the product wholesale to the store who will then markup for gross profit. That's not the same thing

[@bizmonkey007]

Apple’s known for years that iMessage locks users in and that texting with Android users is an awful, and sometimes, broken experience. If this forces them to fully embrace RCS then that would at least be a small step forward.

[@robo9439]

Apple has already announced RCS support coming this year. 😊

[@nickthaskater]

How does one create a monopoly with a product and service they developed and maintain in a market where there are clear alternatives (e.g., Android)?

[@jeeyuii]

they make the rcs malfunction on purpose to apple watch "apple ecosystem"

[@the_mariocrafter]

and iOS app devs have to pay 25 dollars a year and 30% tax

[@nickthaskater]

@@the_mariocrafter so? Nobody is forcing them to be in the Apple app store. They could publish to Android, Microsoft, Samsung, or just release an exe or apk file, or even a dmg if you're talking Mac.

[@Gabri3lRocha]

@@the_mariocraftersame thing with google play store buddy 😂

[@the_mariocrafter]

@@nickthaskater If you would like to create a program on a phone that targets the youth, you can only publish on Android via an apk file, or desktop, unless you pay 25 dollars a year for iOS distribution.

[@GoldenAgeofCOD]

I'm 100 percent in favor of breaking up apple

[@rays1729]

Steve Jobs must be very proud.

[@notsosuavemate]

Very

[@alphabeta8284]

He’s dead

[@jamiekuchma]

Dicks in turtle necks..... Apple

[@pranavmv6333]

Why because apple rise upto his greedy monopolic expectation. And the 80% world use Android than his iphone

[@ud1235]

Call it a 'Anti-competitive' or 'innovation inspired' - love the spirit behind the motion. Every monopoly needs to be assessed and reviewed under each industry verticals every 3-5 years for potential collusion.

[@3811eric]

0:59 Buy your mom an iPhone. And he thinks it's funny? This is why Apple is going to be destroyed, sooner or later; I guarantee.

[@MasterKey_44]

I like Apple products, but I have seen that they are really just trying for you to stay at Apple. “No don’t pay for prime video, instead pay for Apple TV+” “you don’t need google photos, just iCloud” this is less choice.

[@shansadventures1]

iPhone users think all android phones have crappy video when it's apple that is lowering the quality of videos when it detects it's sent from an android. Apple is also making it a security risk switching to SMS and MMS

[@AnakinSkywalker_1858]

That’s not apples fault dummy It’s your cellular network provider that uses MMS to deliver those videos when you are sending from a goddam android because androids don’t have iMessage 😡😡 Pls think before talking

[@AnakinSkywalker_1858]

If you want iMessage get an iPhone 😡

[@shansadventures1]

@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 I don't want iMessage. That's not even the point. Wow

[@phoenixlaw5225]

source?

[@MichaelGGarry]

Stop using ancient tech like SMS and MMS!

[@mpatton997]

I can’t seem to get Apple Wallet to work on my Galaxy S24.

[@voodoodisco]

LOL LOL

[@M16-mini]

sue apple for that

[@MegaLokopo]

They could easily get rid of the restrictions without losing the benefits of offering their users vertical integration.

[@nitramluap]

As a developer, I'm quite happy with the cut that Apple takes (which... is actually 15% for most of us) as they provide a TON of developer tools and behind the scenes work which makes my life way easier, especially with dealing with all sorts of different tax implications when selling worldwide. The DOJ is a bunch of old fuddy duddys that don't actually understand what they're talking about.

[@mboiko]

"The DOJ is a bunch of old fuddy duddys..." It would be strange...if an Apple Developer didn't say that.

[@rochester212]

Apple computers: -are expensive -can't install what you want on them. -can't repair them. -can't upgrade them. How stupid one has to be to buy one?

[@Arrowmania]

It isn't a monopoly, the consumer is not locked in - even in the video it says Android is more compatible with more options (plays more video formats, has multiple wallets to choose from, etc). The Apple iPhones even cost more then the alternative Android flagship models (equivalent phones, some Androids like the Fold are of course more expensive for more tech); So there is no undercutting going on as the price is generally more for the iPhone than the equivalent Android. Seems like suing is a waste of time. People who always buy iPhone over an Android model mostly do it as that's what they like and are used to. Otherwise they can vote with their wallets and buy an Android, which means again, not a monopoly.

[@Jsarson1976]

Totally agree with you 👍

[@rafaelclaycon]

I like this short format for breaking stories! Keep them coming!

[@maxalot113]

Remember when early iphones would turn off when battery charge got down to 30%? That was a software update planned attrition, was not battery issue.

[@MichaelGGarry]

No. When did that happen?

[@vernearase3044]

You're getting it all wrong - Apple limited power draw when the battery degraded to _keep the phone from crashing._ Other phone OEMs just didn't care if your phone crashed - a crashing phone would get you to buy a new one and the only profit point in the Android ecosystem is at the original purchase of the phone. In Apple's market, keeping a phone running reliably is the most important factor since Apple makes money from running iPhones in the form of app sales and service revenues.

[@jbi1839]

That 30% finally gets the karma.

[@Nimrawid]

Finally, took them long enough. Compare Apple to Microsoft monopoly litigation... Mindblowing no one did much about it.

[@yemanator]

This is the most absurd thing I have ever seen. Umm, they only have 25% market share or so, and you can do cloud streaming - I do it all the time. Does google let you use apple wallet on android? No. Ridiculous

[@stefanropotean]

Hmm… I don’t know where I stand regarding this ‘monopoly’ argument. Sure, freedom is good. But if you’re not happy with how Apple operates, maybe… I don’t know, don’t buy an iPhone in the first place? It’s like signing a 12 month tenancy agreement and then 2 months in complaining about the fact that you have to pay for the 12 months. Or moving into your new rental having signed the contract telling you you weren’t allowed pets, and then complaining about the fact that you’re not allowed pets a few days after. As long as you buy into Apple’s products willingly, I don’t see why you’d be complaining. If you’re unhappy, go somewhere else.

[@warren488]

You do realise that it's not apple users that are suing them right?

[@dabric]

non-apple users are affected as well though. like how iphone android texting isn't great, and how developers have to fit in with apple simply because a large number of people own an iphone.

[@makokainvestmentgroup9260]

I honestly don’t get the lawsuit cause eventually no one is being forced to buy or even stay with Apple

[@lesleyhaan116]

@@dabric Android texting isn't great then its up to Google to make a good Messaging platform on Android its not Apples fault that Google failed to make a simple good messaging App

[@dabric]

@@lesleyhaan116 i'm referring to texting across android and iphones. iphones mixed sms with imessage, it's cumbersome to get around it, and there isn't anything androids can do to try to get in on imessage. i dont think google's ability to make a messaging app applies here, and i would argue it would apply even less on android as you can set a default app for texting there.

[@Dabbill]

Its simple. If you don't like Apple, iPhone, or any other product. Then do not buy it. There are other options. If you want to fight a monopoly, then go after ISP's. Vast majority of houses only have one broadband connection available at their house.

[@AnakinSkywalker_1858]

Exactly 🤝

[@sonictonic_]

100%, but it's much more salacious to go after Apple than Comcast, right? LOL such bs. I am in the Apple ecosystem for a reason. I like it. If I didn't, I would go buy an Android. Pretty simple solution, lol.

[@Dabbill]

@@sonictonic_ Exactly. I was anti Apple for a lot of years. Then 2 years ago I finally dipped my toe in, and the waters are very nice over here. I got tired of Android and them trying to make it compatible with everything. It makes for more stuff to go wrong. I am much happier with my device just working. You are not locked in to any one cell phone company. Unless you are locked in to a payment plan with the cell carrier, but the person choose to do that.

[@RockyRZ]

Apple simp

[@AnakinSkywalker_1858]

@@RockyRZ it’s common sense and logic You see this is why you don’t skip college

[@laolu2007]

Meta needs to be sued too

[@PatrikRasch]

It's insane it even got halfway as far as this in the first place

[@pathofancient]

I would have to agree with the government. iPhone 13 mini was the last iPhone I bought, or ever will buy again.

[@_____alyptic]

They didnt sort Microsoft out though

[@TheRealMikeEdwards]

Why should you have to pay less fees to use a platform that's generating you millions? WIthout the platform and it's users, how else would you make a sale? Develope your own platform and charge what you want. Just saying.

[@jbradleyuk]

Apple has absolutely been waiting for this moment, they are absolutely prepared I am sure

[@kilsterart]

Aren't they being annihilated in the EU space for this very reason? 🤔 Although, who knows what will happen in the US 🤷

[@antiseth3964]

@@kilsterartI think the key there is that the EU is giving very little slack to Apple’s response and enforcing their resolutions. I don’t think the DoJ will ever get so far as to force Apple to behave the way they want them to.

[@kilsterart]

@@antiseth3964 I can agree to that, tho I do hope we can get some good change from it.

[@frenchiesaparis5741]

Pulling out chequebooks

[@3811eric]

prepared for what? to get destroyed maybe.

[@chase7972]

I stand with Apple with this tbh. They have the right to do what they're doing. If they want to create a closed system, then so be it.

[@KrishnaDasPC]

Yes it's two day's trying to move icloud data to google cloud and still can't complete it. No option to download a folder in i cloud web. If you have lot of files you need a Mac for that.

[@yts23]

Maybe they can include a charger after this

[@MichaelGGarry]

Why, have you not got your own at this stage?

[@hxxgni]

no thanks, i already own 5, why do i need more?

[@yts23]

@@MichaelGGarry no I haven't. I just have an iPhone with no charger

[@GabeSmith-p7j]

Here is a novel idea, if you don’t like Apple’s App Store fees, or just don’t like what Apple stands for, don’t buy an apple product. Or if you’re an app developer, don’t do business with Apple. Wow….what an idea! 🤦‍♂️

[@Thatsmantas]

What about Playstation and Xbox opening up and allowing side loading?

[@the_mariocrafter]

That’s an issue for the OAMA act to adress.

[@CrisCheese_]

Im pretty sure the laws surrounding game consoles are different to a general purpose device like a mobile phone or other personal computers

[@DaSIL3NC3R]

This lawsuit is nonsense, suing for the green bubbles? It’s an Apple device. Why don’t you sue the power companies?

[@durgacharanmajhi6802]

So if the pricing of upgrading from 8gigs to 16gigs is way higher, why go mac, and not windows? Cause people know MacBook can perform certain way windows can't. Can't afford for an extra 8gigs, then go windows. Go Android, go windows. No one is actually forcing you to go Apple way. You yourself empting your wallet, and blaming someone else.

[@draughonc]

No one forces people to buy an Apple product. But the government, at least these nits, think they know whats best.

[@ggproductions7078]

That's always an interesting position. Well, if you force people into exclusivity, when they design their devices to operate with poorer quality when used with non Apple devices and don't allow others to access their platform, it is anti competitive. This is not just about cost, I have a Macstudio, an S24 plus and Sony headphones, as well as a Windows laptop. Guess which devices play nicely with each other and which don't?

[@ironspider6851]

​@@ggproductions7078 I'm not with apple or anything but the only reason your s24 works well with your windows laptop is because Microsoft and google have collaborated to get that broader set of consumers. initially neither android nor ios could connect with windows. back then ios could connect with mac but android couldn't connect with windows. so they made this feature. also I'm not really sure but i think Samsung phones do have an edge over connecting with windows computers than any other phones like Xiaomi or Oneplus. i have a Samsung so i don't know how good are the other android phones at connecting with windows. I have to do more research on this topic. and could you please elaborate on the Sony headphones issue?

[@ggproductions7078]

@ironspider6851 hi there, about the xm4s, yeah, I probably need to update to something else soon, if I am connected to my mac and a call comes in, I don't seem to able to remain connected to my mac. Sorry for not being very clear. Windows machine, connected to phone and laptop, phone goes, pauses laptop connection, hang up call, instantly back to laptop/desktop audio, not so much with my mac, have to reconnect the Bluetooth. Oh, and I know why they play nicely. That was my point! Apple (until they incorporate Google AI) don't like to help users be cross-platform . Samsung limit some features of their buds too, don't get me wrong, Apple aren't unique they just take it to another level is all. Again, use a Macstudio so not anti Apple.

[@BGLocet]

why did you read everything from the Apple comment except the line "It would also set a dangerous precedent, empowering the government to take a heavy hand in designing people's technology"? .. why not say the whole thing?

[@carlonharrington]

Fair

[@S.Archer]

*Sony, Amazon, & Microsoft also take 30% cut.. this isn’t an unusual practice.*

[@siliconhawk]

well the problem is that iphone users dont get a real choice their ONLY choice is app store and nothing else. android has side loading and 3rd party app stores idk how they manage payments tbh i don't use Google's payment services coz here in my country the government and the banks have their own system without the manufacturer's as an intermediary.

[@Jj82op]

It's called price leadership, they see that Apple can charge 30% more and they say "why not? Lets do that too".

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@siliconhawk Android has MASSIVE piracy problems and iPhone does not. The average developer earns multiple times more on iOS than on Android. Also Apples developer charge starts at 15%, its not 30% for everyone.

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@Jj82op "It's called price leadership, they see that Apple can charge 30% more and they say "why not? Lets do that too"." Incorrect. Apple were nowhere near the first to charge 30% for digital stores. Valve for instance beat them by years with Steam.

[@coshvjicujmlqef6047]

when did microsoft take 30% cut?

[@lodgin]

0:50 Okay, genuine question: why is it Apple's responsibility to be a surrogate carrier? Not being able to send multimedia messages is the fault of your carrier. I can fully understand wanting to throw the antitrust book at Apple, but _this_ puzzles me. Either your carrier is price-gouging you on MMS, or is simply refusing to provide it, neither of which is Apple's fault or responsibility to fix.

[@cszulu2000]

That is stupid. If you are successful, you get sued. Nobody forces anyone to buy an iPhone. I am not even an iPhone fan.

[@chrisw443]

Sue em over the price of mac upgrades being 10 times more than standard parts.

[@MichaelGGarry]

Because they are not standard parts and they are not "10 times" more expensive. You think Apple are just swapping RAM sticks?

[@AnakinSkywalker_1858]

Then get a windows laptop dumba$$😡 nobody’s forcing you to get mac

[@ChanningChea]

Google: owns 70% market share DOJ: Apple’s a monopoly! Google: 👀

[@the_mariocrafter]

Did you hear about the play store lawsuit, and how open Android is?

[@ChanningChea]

@@the_mariocrafter You mean the one where they pretended to be open and actually closed themselves off while having 70% market share, thus resulting of them losing? Yes lol

[@rigierish3807]

There is hardly any "monopoly" in an open platform: Android is open source so any company that wants to go their way to make their own version of Android can, without having to redo everything (they just can't take the Android name). So even if Android was 99.9 % of the market share, that would still not be a monopoly. The same way, Linux companies never got sued for monopoly reason because they owned +95 % of the server market share. iOS though is closed source and generally a very closed ecosystem, anti competitive and anti consumer, so yeah, that's a much bigger problem than any other market share in the world.

[@the_mariocrafter]

@@rigierish3807 also a Google Play antitrust lawsuit already happened

[@vernearase3044]

@@rigierish3807 Actually, the good stuff in Android is _not_ open source.

[@Kliffy77]

Apple needs to be sued for Excessive prices, Closed ecosystem, 5GB cloud storage! User Upgradability and much more!

[@Yzyenthusiast]

Why not just buy literally any other brand

[@KINGJA92]

I do remember seeing an article about Apple facing a class action lawsuit when it came to the 5gb of storage that hasn’t change in years.

[@powerhouse884]

Excessive price?? LMAOO STOP being so broke bro

[@davefinnegan868]

What a waste of time and money.

[@Kliffy77]

@@powerhouse884 Believe me i have much more money than you doo, I bought my M1 MacBook Pro for $3100 same specs M3 MacBook Pro starts at $4300 I can’t upgrade Ram or SSD any upgrade at apple is costing $400 plus! Im not broke im not stupid either

[@gjune36]

my top concern is only allowing apps to be install through the app store. that is messed up

[@recursion.]

so US as a country can be anti competitive banning tiktok and huawei but Apple cant do same?

[@gregoriyvylegzhanin1833]

I don’t understand If people so upset with Apple why not use something else. Asus makes great windows laptops, Google and Samsung uses good phones and smart watches. There is bunch of choices outside Apple ecosystem.

[@the_mariocrafter]

Because there is no way to replace the iOS on an iPhone with anything else. Your stuck with iOS and cannot install something else.

[@the_mariocrafter]

But you can install Linux on an M1 MacBook

[@gregoriyvylegzhanin1833]

@@the_mariocrafter buy an android

[@the_mariocrafter]

@@gregoriyvylegzhanin1833 people already have their iPhone hardware.

[@M16-mini]

@@gregoriyvylegzhanin1833 you will be bullied if you do so

[@Dank_Engine]

They built the platform. They built the delivery system, the App Store. Now they’re being sued for taking their cut in a business model that they created.

[@dansanger5340]

And? That's what the anti-monopoly laws are for, to prevent companies from using their market dominance to gain even more market dominance. Have you ever wondered why you can watch pretty much any movie in any theater? Anti-monopoly law. Many years ago, each of the movie studios had their own movie theater chains and you could only watch certain movies in certain theaters.

[@illpunchyouintheface9094]

Kids be like: “iTs gOoOd tHIng DaY Get to cOntrOL eVeRYtHinG”

[@pranavmv6333]

Another apple pig thinking that monopoly is a good thing

[@c0t0d0s7]

I haven’t seen anything this bad since the Anita Bryant concert.

[@moramento22]

So this is surely changing Friday's episode of Vergecast

[@linkshadow2]

“Buy your mom an iPhone” is just another way of saying “Pay me money” like dude, just fix the problem??

[@PickleRickC137.8]

If you don’t like it, don’t buy it… but clearly most people do…

[@ironspider6851]

and yet they complain "uhhh... my iPhone does not allow me to do this and that". like seriously... you put yourself in that situation. apple has been doing this for years. its your fault that you bought an iphone.

[@GeoffDiaz]

⁠@@ironspider6851Apple user since iPhone 4s. I have never said “it doesn’t allow me to do…” if you want to do more. Simply get an android. If you want something simple and works well with its other products then get Apple. People do not need to get Apple products. People can complain all they want about how they can’t upgrade things or download certain things on those products. But they don’t have to use those products either.

[@M16-mini]

because you are out of options mfker you have anything other than an apple in college, you' re gonna get bullied real hard

[@411hippieCO]

It's not a monopoly; if there's choice and there is.

[@Pandemonium088]

Im not a Apple user but the law suit pegs them because a Galaxy Watch does not perfectly work on iOS, its not an Apple made device, isnt that Samsung's responsibility to develop the galaxy wear app to be as good as it is on Android?

[@pranavmv6333]

Another apple pig thinking that monopoly is good thing

[@brandnaqua]

i stand by Apple! we choose their products willingly!

[@phonepup06]

How does this mean cheaper iPhones? Wouldn’t them losing revenue from the App Store lead to the opposite?

[@jackdominiak445]

Idiots will always be idiots (I'm off course referring to the government!

[@rhemy1]

I’m so sick of people complaining about Apple. Apple is a closed eco system. Apple and Microsoft are vastly different. No one has to buy an iPhone. If you want cheaper apps or apps that are only on android you can switch to an android phone. People pay the Apple tax for a reason.

[@raybod1775]

Apple has a monopoly on its own product line, like doesn’t that apply to every company’s product line?

[@FilipHrnko]

What phones are those people using?

[@M16-mini]

iphones

[@MrX8503]

I DON’T WANT TO USE 3rd party digital wallets!!! 😡

[@sigh-cosis]

Then don't. Nothing is forcing you to use them

[@isaiahr9747]

Love how she skips part of the comment Apple sent them that is probably the most important part of their message; "It would also set a dangerous precedent, empowering government to take a heavy hand in designing people's technology", if anyone has ever owned an iPhone, they know that privacy and security is the pinnacle of Apple's environment. I would hope people at least understand the value of your data to companies, and the US government wants in on your data.

[@JamesOrlowski]

It's not a monopoly. Don't want to use an iPhone? Get an Android. Simple. No one is forcing anyone to buy an iPhone. There are plenty of alternate devices available to everyone. Do you know what IS a monopoly? Cable companies in many parts of the country where they're the only Internet service.

[@Undisputed_King]

I'm an Android user and I second this. These people are just jealous and the US government is scared of Apple because their market cap might one day overtake the entire nation's GDP lol.

[@carlonharrington]

Also utilities. Sue them for daylight robbery

[@alphabeta8284]

Imagine simping for apple

[@therealrajan]

Yes, it is a monopoly lol, do you think the people at the DOJ at a bunch of idiots who can't tell what a monopoly is? That's the main reason they're being sued for.

[@Benedict-01]

The myth of the vertical integration that "just works" is that the user experience is extremely restricted compared to other OSs. It is just not working most of the time because - not knowing - it's hindering the user to do certain task easy. Instead the user has to do it "the Apple way" with detour or the feature is just not available at all, which on other systems is e.g. the industry standard for decades.

[@vernearase3044]

Why don't you give some specific examples.

[@Benedict-01]

​@@vernearase3044 To name just a few shortcomings from the past, of which some still don't work with iOS yet: - different volume for notification and ringtone - had no filesystem, no Email attachment sharing in other apps etc. - no multiuser - no upper number row on the keyboard - no punctuation on the keyboard - had no multitasking - no swipe from right - had no notification center - no grouped notifications - no display fingerprint reader - no notification light (LED) - low refresh rate - had no widgets - locked icons - no split screen - no charge estimate - no fastcharge - had no cloud sync - no SD Card slot - had no external HDD support - no system app updates via app store - had no style guidelines - had no USB - no customization of colors, fonts, icons, shapes, style, backgrounds - no standard app picker - restricted autocorrect - no close all apps - slowed scrolling - no browser engines - no app processing tasks in the background - no call spam filter - no app locking - had no multi alarms - had no control center - no sideloading - no predicted answers - no RCS - locked NFC - no clipboard history - no physical flashlight, camera gesture - cell data limit - no silent mode without DND - no homescreen grid-size settings - had no homescreen drawers - no custom launchers - small battery - had no action button - bottom bar max. 4 apps - no radio - no video recording pause button - handwriting input keyboard - automatic translator when typing - overlay apps - Reverse wireless charging - planed/delayed message send - individual notification settings by app - long press for symbols on keyboard - no work profiles - had/has no dual-SIM (physical) - big notch - no Fortnite - ... enough? For more just check out the competitor's products

[@tren-y2m]

Didn't hear you mention the spotify thing. How spotify has to pay Apple 30% of what it makes to use the app store, while doesn't have to pay this when promoting Apple Music on the same app store

[@asjsjsienxjsks673]

Why doesn’t Spotify create their own phone then?

[@JezzLundkvist]

Why should take 30% from their own pocket for their own app?

[@AnakinSkywalker_1858]

@@JezzLundkvistyou see I said it some people are so $tupid on this internet and don’t listen to themselves when they talk..😂😂😂

[@AnakinSkywalker_1858]

@@asjsjsienxjsks673exactly they don’t want to pay when using Apple’s payment processing network to collect payment ?🤷🏽‍♂️

[@1str2lost78]

When you read apple’s response, you skipped a sentence. Purposely?? 🤔🤔

[@Vexcenot]

So what took them so long?