US vs. Apple: Antitrust Lawsuit Explained

[@Mf_Cooldawg]

"Buy your mom an iphone" are fighting words LMAO

[@almaximus03]

😂😂😂

[@kodaph]

Tim is cooking

[@Engineering2AI]

lol what do you expect the CEO of Apple to support a competitor?

[@kingdeedee]

Love him or hate him that's a legendary response lmaoooo

[@gosnooky]

The smug way in which Cooke said that makes my blood boil.

[@sinistan1002]

apple fought for many years against right to repair for a reason corporate greed

[@heyaisdabomb]

I think right to repair is where tthey deserve to be sued for, not this garbage. I for one, use apple devices in part for the strong security a closed ecosystem provides. The scary thing will be that if there's a pathway to download an app without the app store, then it's possible you open a message or click a website and malware is downloaded without you even knowing. Right now, there's physically no code path for this to happen. Create the path in code, and someone somewhere will find a way to exploit it. Apple devices will be way less secure.

[@drenathor]

@@heyaisdabomb Yeah the right to repair thing is a tricky one. Apple ended up choosing its current path for 2 reasons. First was security. Obviously it wouldn't do to have someone sabotage your fingerprint or faceID scanner to get instant access to your phone. So they started by securing everything from the secure enclave to the fingerprint scanner and serializing all the components so that if even the wires between them were swapped out that functionality would brick. Since their phones are used by people of all walks of life including people with government secrets this is kind of a reasonable consideration IMHO. Second was that a multi billion dollar industry started to pop up where people would buy iPhones, harvest parts out of them, break the phone and then return it under warranty. The stolen parts would then be used to fix other phones to be sold or just outright sold to other repair shops. Apple had an absolute fortune stolen from them by these people and wanted to protect themselves against it. Again, kind of a reasonable response in my opinion. Honestly it does suck. But I'm more mad at people who perform espionage and steal endless amounts of money from Apple by harvesting parts out for ruining everything. In a perfect world none of this would be necessary and we'd have right to repair as a result but it's kind of like seeing a store close down after being repeatedly robbed in a high crime area. Yeah it sucks for the community that it's gone but are you going to be mad at the company or at the criminals who drove them to close up shop?

[@GabeSmith-p7j]

@@heyaisdabombI agree. The repair issue is an entirely different thing. But to force Apple to open up its App Store to whoever is crazy. There is a reason Apple products have the least amount of Malware and virus issues. They keep downloadable software very strict/limited. This could lead to all kinds of security risks.

[@cartanfan-youtube]

@@heyaisdabomb disagree, I should be able to install what i wish on a device ive paid for. its already possible to download apps outside of the appstore WITHOUT jailbreaking or exploiting the device. (look into developer mode and sideloading; altstore and sideloadly are good tools for this) the issue is apple makes this process needlessly cumbersome after the apps are installed. apps expire and need to be renewed after a week (to get around this you need to install a server a pc you use that renews and resyncs these apps every week) and your only allowed to install 3 apps if you dont have a developer account ($100 a year). honestly, if apple removed these two restrictions i would be completely fine with there being no official support for third party appstores, as it would allow those who really wanted to build and install their own apps.

[@harperwiccan475]

​​@@GabeSmith-p7jI've been using Android for over a decade and not ONCE have I ever gotten a virus or malware. Stop this security narrative. Android 10, 11, 12 and onward each have gotten consistently better with security. With Samsung phones, there's basically two offerings of security. One coming from Samsung, which is a manufacturer offering and the other is from Google. There's PLENTY of features that are of equal if not superior to Apple. People who have iPhones are just incompetent of knowing what to do with an Android phone.

[@abcdoooabcd]

type c in new iphone 15 opened a float gate 😂

[@austinhernandez2716]

That was because of the EU, nothing to do with the US

[@eveningmelody3902]

​@@austinhernandez2716true

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Walled Garden HIGHLY illegal, esp. when it comes to silly proprietary connectors, and prevent you from paying with YOUR bank, and charging people more to buy/use e-books on Amazon and such.

[@SimpleLife2.000]

Plus the DMA in Europe

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

So you didn't noticed they already started to change their products to USB-C before the regulation.. iPad and Macbook already was USB-C, do you think they will stop at half way..? They just gived enough time for accessory makers (because iPhone have way more accessory like iPad and Macbooks..) to prepare to the change.. a sudden decision can bankrupt thousands of company.. like they have 10000 lighting Thermal camera in stock, what they will never sell after the change.. or do you think people will buy a $300 thermal camera when they know they will change their phone soon, and it will be unusable, so they need to buy one more.. because thermal camera became unusable with adapter.. and that is just one example.. so they did it on the right way, gived enough time for the manufacturers to empty their warehouses (on that way the things will become to e-waste at least a few years later, and nobody will bankrupt..)

[@gvetech]

Across the pond, we have no idea what the green and blue text bubbles mean, we just use WhatsApp on iphones and androids.

[@karthikv2070]

By Pond do you mean either the Pacific or Atlantic ocean? Lol.

[@BGRUBBIN]

When What's App was 0.99cents on App Store, best dollar I ever spent.

[@BeyondWoWJunkies]

Exactly

[@gvetech]

@@karthikv2070 🤣🤣🤣 The UK for short

[@gustavof2241]

Same here in Brazil

[@powerjd]

Remember when the US Gov. asked Apple to created a back door for the police to access locked iPhones and encrypted data and Apple answered no and doubled down on the importance of privacy? That is what started this lawsuit.

[@Sealambert]

I was to most degree an “Android Fanboy” until I saw this stance that Apple made against the US Gov. The next smartphone that I purchased was an iPhone and never looked back.

[@yasser9350]

Yeah yeah belive that PR BS no one can say no to FBI they boasted about it but then gave them access privatly

[@corvacopia]

It isn’t, that was many years ago now, under an entirely different administration and it was an entirely different part of the government. The FTC and Justice Department have been ramping up antitrust enforcement since the start of the Biden administration, mostly championed by Lina Kahn, who’d gotten a bipartisan confirmation and now in the Republican Party is cheerleader by Josh Hawley and seems to be reviled by other Republicans Senators, but is still technically bipartisanly popular and is probably honestly one of the few people in government where pretty much everything she’s done has been pretty popular, aside from with the mega corps who are affected by this

[@LonglivetheSovietUnion]

@@Sealambertboth of you are corporate bootlickers 😂

[@20NewJourney23]

@default3740 No, it's very smart given the nineteen eighty-four culture we are in.

[@joecampo1770]

How about Ticketmaster???

[@celebrityrog]

Or Boeing or Verizon and AT&T and Comcast each in their area are monopolies. So what’s the big deal here with Apple?

[@kinpin66]

YES

[@heavyhauler426]

Watch the press conference. AG Garland explains this well. Having a monopoly isn't the problem. Using your power as a monopoly to lock out other businesses is. I'm not saying AT&T and Comcast don't engage in anticompetitive practice. Only that Apple is the most egregious offender here.

[@SlitheringDemon]

​@@celebrityrogbecause apple probably refused to give donations lol

[@17drsid]

How is no one talking about a certain company who’s CEO has the world’s biggest Yatch 😂

[@vin.k.k]

Convenient how everyone forgets Microsoft was in the same place 25 years ago. Google is in the same place with advertising right now.

[@Svangen1]

No one forgot. They just didn't mention it in this video. Watch the DoJ's press briefing. They alluded to it there. Or watch the verge

[@drenathor]

Well technically the Microsoft case was completely different. Microsoft was using their influence to dictate to small businesses what they could and couldn’t pre install on their computers for their own clients. Microsoft didn’t create the computers and didn’t own the companies selling hardware with their OS. But they were bullying small OEM vendors to force them to not install apps for their customers despite selling them tools to do just that. Google did essentially the same thing and got in trouble for it too. However in Apple’s case they make the hardware, the software, maintain the closed ecosystem and own their apple stores. So the Microsoft lawsuit would be more like as if they started demanding that they would only sell office on the iPhone if apple banned all competing office apps and stopped making their own. It’s not Microsoft’s place to do that and they’d get sued if they tried.

[@cragl3yman343]

​@@drenathorThe hardware that's been basically universal between all phones for years now btw.

[@vin.k.k]

@@Svangen1 I see, many media houses eventually talked about it.

[@germanyharris7740]

"What aboutism" is so contagious for people who can't argue back....

[@Wizreader2828]

I use iPhone and Mac…so yeah I’m an Apple user. But the issues of allowing devices to communicate well enough cross platform is something that should be fixed. Yes, it’s business. But I do believe the simplest issue of them all with the green/blue bubbles thing should be ironed out for users.

[@heyaisdabomb]

It's more complex than that. There's reasons from a computer science stand point that these things are done as well. Apple created it's own picture and video files that is inherently compressed by up to 80%, called .HEIC files. There's a size limitations in SMS messages that have. to be ironed out, and all the blue message is doing is telling you, is this going through imessage i.e. the internet or SMS, which is through your cell carriers network (not the internet). This gives customers more information, and helps me to know what I can and can't do because android doesn't have the same features as ios. Non apple devices or third party apps opens the ecosystem to malware and viruses. Apples closed ecosystem provides a strong layer of security, even the government struggles to break in as we saw in the San Bernadino terrorist case. You can't mandate a company to build software to work with other devices. Are they going to sue LG because smart things only works with LG devices? What about other companies with their own proprietary systems?

[@autograndeunlimited]

​@heyaisdabomb thats bogus. Apple could support RCS that would actually make it more secure for Apple users. Messaging already exists with other devices so it should be to the latest highest standard

[@cjr2727]

As long as u can make calls and send text messages. That’s all that is required for a PHONE! The computer/software tech is different. If u want to be part of the Apple eco system, buy an apple product. As far as the “tap to pay” that Apple hv more of a grasp, then I would ask who came up with the tech? When iPhones first came out, they had an exclusive deal with AT&T for the first few years, so u had to be with AT&T.

[@fixieroy]

Apple already announced, the day after this lawsuit was filed, that they will update iMessage to be compatible with Rcs by next year. So the fact that they can update their app so fast blows holes in your argument. Let alone announcing the update THE DAY AFTER YOU ARE SUED. You should watch the DOJs breakdown. The issue is that apple deliberately makes OTHER devices technology not work or less performative on iPhone. And because of the bad experiences with other devices apple users then shop for apple devices to save the headache. But thats the problem. The DOJ isnt saying you cant have proprietary tech. They are saying you cant build into your device faulty performance if you are connecting to a non apple device, app, product, browser, which apple 100% does hence why it lost in the EU. The USA is just copy pasting the case cause all the evidence is there.

[@SimpleLife2.000]

It's beyond that, there's a monopsony side too we're developer and sellers are being controlled as well.

[@manurapeiris5871]

Apple doesn't have a monopoly! the presence of Android products proves it's not anticompetitive. Apple is just a closed system that works smoothly between apple products for the most part. Catering to most of these demands to make apple products more open will make them janky and make it loose it's appeal to consumers and lower it's value. Android is a viable option for anyone who doesn't use apple devices and apple as a company does not need to change their practices to cater to other companies lack of a better implemented system.

[@sa34w]

Nope they have something called power law on their side. Monopoly isn’t just number of people but also type of customer

[@KuddleKittens]

You're taking the idea of a monopoly too literally

[@BA-gq4uw]

Exactly

[@leondequadros]

Seriously wtf is this argument. Explain how exactly a more open apple would be janky? You don't have to limit the use of other devices to make your products work smoother together. Oh and btw these are literal monopolistic practices

[@carldevans1]

I as much as I dislike "what-about-isms," Private equity firms in the US are buying up all the single-family homes before they come on the market so they can rent them out at sky-high rates. It's nearly impossible for first-time home buyers to buy a house, which is historically the #1 way wealth is built in the middle class. My point is, there are more important ways that the government should be protecting citizens from corporate greed.

[@MR_M0RNINGSTAR]

This comment should be pin

[@corvacopia]

Are there good laws on the books already to go after that though? The Justice Department can only enforce laws that are already there, I think that’s a problem that Congress needs to do something about

[@glbernini0]

WE ADDED USB C...WHAT MORE DO YA WANT???

[@alvzcizzler]

That was the EU tho

[@josesabat1710]

😂😂

[@almaximus03]

😂😂😂

[@powerhouse884]

We WANT GAMEPASS App Officially to work…. Same for other streaming game apps.

[@drenathor]

@@alvzcizzler it's amazing how many people actually believe that

[@modemmack]

Every time a company gets too big, the prices go up for EVERYBODY.

[@gosnooky]

Truer words never spoken

[@SIW808]

Facts

[@EricRamz]

But Samsungs are more expensive than iPhones nowadays.. lmao S24 ultra $1300. 15 pro max $1200

[@laughingvampire7555]

this is the free market and there are options to avoid all of this, don't buy Apple, what happens is that loser companies who can't compete due to limitations of their own are being petty and whining like little losers, asking daddy government to intervene in the free market. Apple can do all of those things because the free market is choosing Apple, if the free market decided that what Apple is doing is wrong then we would all vote with our wallets and so far we have chosen that Apple is ok. Is the classic loser who can't play sports claims the one who can is cheating.

[@gosnooky]

@@EricRamz And I have an Android phone that cost $400 that does everything I need it to do. Not all Androids are Samsung, there are many other smaller indie phone manufacturers out there that offer devices for affordable prices. That's the thing about Android, it can be used anywhere.

[@anthonycarlo3079]

Im waiting for AppleExplained channel to explain the lawsuit.

[@rupertwilliams1349]

Yeah I can’t watch this without the calming piano either

[@io_inc]

MaxTech is going to be pissed about this lawsuit 😆

[@long-d4k]

@@io_inc 😆😆

[@psicologiajoseh]

Loool

[@Sealambert]

Same

[@ognickea7180]

I get some of the things mentioned but I do not get the part about the apple ecosystem. It seams the same as wanting PlayStation controllers to work on Xbox.

[@steveweidig5373]

It's more like having a multiplat game on Xbox, Playstation and PC and then Playstation only accepting payments for that game done on their platform and payments done on other platforms being ignored even though otherwise it all works cross-platform.

[@formetutorial9790]

Xbox and PlayStation is a duopoly that needs to be looked in too.

[@cassiuscartland]

The part about apple watches not working with androids isnt even fair, many FitBit and Google Pixel watch devices are Android Exclusive

[@ykd0011]

Sorry to break your bubble, but there is nothing like ecosystem, it's just called internet. Non-apple devices communicate with each other like internet but apple devices only communicate with other apple devices like an intranet, intentionally build walls. Apple devices act like a angry women who refuses to talk with other people not because she can't, she can, she just intentionally chooses not to do so, amd everyone else just talks with everyone normally in an open "ecosystem".

[@ognickea7180]

@@ykd0011 I get it. One thing that pussed me off in my pixel days was the low quality of videos I would send to apple users. This is one of the best cameras out there but after I send it it looks like it’s from a smartphone from 2010

[@munyumbamutwale2985]

There are too many law school graduates with nothing to do in the US. This is like complaining about why Benz tyres don't fit on a Toyota. This is pretty much going to go after the CAR Industry and to be honest all gadgets. This is serious Nanny State Politics. JUST DONT BUY AN IPHONE if you don't want one.

[@unknown3158]

No, it is not. This is like Mercedes forcing every gas station to pay them some money because they are refueling a Mercedes car. We own our cars, and can actually do whatever we want with them, with iPhones, even after you buy it, it is Apple that is owning it.

[@SanGerardino]

I'm gonna file a lawsuit against Sony for not letting me play PS5 games on my Nintendo Switch! 😡

[@tmat90-o8t]

Right!!

[@Blackhonda]

My first impression was this was wonderfully breathless video about this lawsuit. Well done.

[@gmemo4449]

But it's garbage they are making U.S. buyers to use eSIM only, and every other county has a choice between eSIM and physical SIM card.

[@sdfjsd]

Yeah that's just completely messed up. Like, why does Canada get physical SIM. It's CANADA!

[@the_mariocrafter]

@@sdfjsdtons of wasted space on the iPhone hardware

[@sdfjsd]

@@the_mariocrafter I. Don't. Care!

[@the_mariocrafter]

@@sdfjsd I was saying that the LACK of SIM card slot on the USA models without any benefit is a waste of space. SIM card slots are essential for a phone’s operation and we need microSD as well.

[@sdfjsd]

@@the_mariocrafter Oh I thought you were saying putting a SIM card slot in iPhone is a waste of space

[@ultramet]

How about going after Boeing first DOJ? Fix that problem first

[@AdmiralBison]

That's currently under investigation. Doesn't mean other problems can't be fixed in the meantime. Apple is in the hot seat from the EU and now U.S.

[@SimpleLife2.000]

Apple should be the priority 😂😂😂

[@phillippereira6468]

Pretty certain the DOJ can do more than one thing at a time

[@Part_121]

@@phillippereira6468 Unless that includes walking and chewing gum...

[@vbfit1247]

Yes go after Boeing and examine the death of the whistle blower who was killed in his truck ! WTF?

[@mattiaantonelliofficial]

Sorry, I didn’t quite get the point of the issue here. Apple has had a monopoly for decades now. However, no one is forced to participate in it; if you don’t want to, it’s simple: don’t buy Apple products. So, what’s the problem? Thanks to whoever will explain it to me.

[@chillinJohnny]

That's just unfair, apple would never engage in any anticompetitive or anti consumer behaviour. Just ask their lawyers!

[@chillinJohnny]

Besides iPhone will break if they force them to work with other devices 🤷‍♀️ It's just the way it is

[@ZGamingofficial889]

I mean, Apple is right, it will hurt their campaign to let android devices work with Apple. But still, with Imessage, Apple really did OS devices dirty, what did they ever do to Apple except compete!?

[@ZGamingofficial889]

I mean thats what the SmartPhone Market is supposed to be like.

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

Apple is less like Microsoft's anti-trust, and more like AT&T's anti-trust.

[@housepianist]

It’s nothing like AT&T, assuming you’re referring to the dissimination of Bell. Apple is not the only company selling phones and the software to go with it so they are not a monopoly in that sense. It’s much more like Microsoft, although in fairness, MS was pretty darn close to being like AT&T since they made sure the OS and Windows Explorer were the only software installed on “all” PCs. AT&T/Bell was different because they were literally the only company that could provide home phone service back in the day.

[@drenathor]

@@housepianist Honestly I don't think this is really like either one. AT&T had a true monopoly and there wasn't any real competition and all the existing phone lines were owned by one company that wouldn't share. It was broken up as a result. Whereas Android outsells iPhone every year. By definition it's not a monopoly. With Microsoft, they had an OS that ran on other people's hardware and released tools to let manufacturers roll out custom versions of Windows pre-loaded with drivers, software, wallpaper packs and more. But when people started bundling firefox into the OEM versions of Windows Microsoft suddenly tried revoking licenses, bullying creators, and more. They released tools designed for a purpose and then intimidated people for using them when they used them according to the license. With Apple, They built nearly everything from the ground up. The hardware, software, app store, APIs, etc. Apple has never made any secrets about how closed their ecosystem is and has marketed it as a hand curated, gated community by design. And people buy it knowing this up front. Problem is, competitors don't like playing by Apple's rules and have been aggressively lobbying the government to tell Apple how they have to do business. And now the government is getting involved.

[@celebrityrog]

And guess what they were able 40 years later to merge back with 6 of the 7 baby bells they broke up into.

[@Jerm-o7x]

Bs lawsuit

[@Jerm-o7x]

Bs lawsuit

[@mth32871]

Like I commented on a similar video earlier, no one is forced to buy and use Apple products. If there's something about the way that Apple does things (and I certainly don't agree with a lot of what they do), switch to something else. This is a free market, after all. I can't stand that Apple charges so much for a simple RAM upgrade, but the choice to pay it when I bought my Mac Mini was still mine. It's funny how it's the most successful companies that the government tends to go after. But I guess the DOJ doesn't have anything better to do at the moment, so why not try to get some extra cash from a multi-trillion dollar company? Apple won't notice the loss of a couple billion dollars.

[@ohscheisse2192]

God forbid the government do something useful like putting a stop to the price gouging going on at the grocery store. If they want to go after big corporations that would certainly do more good than going after Apple.

[@mpirokajosephmgcokoca2355]

Well said 👏

[@CrimsonPhoenix15]

You haven't watched any of the videos or the law suit? the whole point is that you ARE forced to buy it, using a variety of techniques (walled garden, social norms, quality reduction, incompatibility with other products/phones)...That is literally the whole point of this. They use all tactics to make sure that you are an outcast if you don't have it, and with the amount of market share they have they can do it. Even charging so much for a RAM upgrade, if other tech companies could offer that service the price would be lower benefiting you the consumer. I cannot understand why anyone with any sense would defend a Big Company monopoly

[@pakkoignacio1424]

⁠@@CrimsonPhoenix15because the wall garden is a good thing. All apple products is the best if not all the most of product segments. So it is more of a choice. Every company has its own ecosystem, and apple users chooses apple ecosystem. In the wall garden, users feel more secure and has sense of PRIVACY. And most users want to keep it that way. Before there was an issue of COMPUTER VIRUS. And the best thing to avoid computer virus is to buy macbook. The less that apple is OPEN, the better the security. iPhones and Macs receives updates FASTER and for longer years, but cannot be the same with androids and windows. So… uhm. Thats the “wall” that apple made.

[@CrimsonPhoenix15]

@@pakkoignacio1424 "All apple products is the best" - no, its just your only option not the best. I figured out the reason people like you argue for them is because apple is all you know. Its the whole frog in a well analogy, and Apple knows this thats why they can trickle feed you features and innovations and then you act like its the greatest thing when its been out for 10 years. In the walled garden they have a sense of privacy compared to what? I have both the iphone 14 and samsung note 20 even with the iphone as my main phone they offer me the same privacy. Faster and longer updates compared to what? Google pixel offers faster and longer updates, Samsung is slower but just as long updates? You speak as though android is 1 device/company. What windows product are you comparing it to? again hundreds of devices. MAC is outright better for design, while Windows is outright better for gaming. The rest you can make an argument for either and is preference. Virus? you're really going back 10 years ago, its not a thing anymore. Yes there was a time MAC was the safest but now thats just a standard. It had nothing to do with their walled garden but their software which was ahead of its time. I can't comprehend how anyone with a little bit of brain cells can think a monopoly is great. Apple benefited from microsoft losing their monopoly and then turned around and did the same thing now people praise it? The only advantage the walled garden provides is seamless transitions of their products. Which if their products are truly better won't effect them. If they allowed other smart watches to integrate with iphone properly instead of restricting features like they do right now and their product (iwatch) was the best for users then it would remain the best. Stopping other companies like garmin from even trying is the main issue and if you don't see that, then you aren't smart enough for me to respond to again.

[@terencelee992]

this lawsuit can have a great impact on the company, i hope it helps them to become more efficient and better, not just on profit making.

[@xavier3098]

Damn, how much more better do you want them to be? They’ve created life-changing technology (and continue to invest heavily in R&D)…

[@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF]

@@xavier3098 They need to cure cancer. NOW!!! 🤣

[@terencelee992]

lol too much 🤣@@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF

[@joesmith4443]

⁠@@xavier3098Nope, Apple has spent MORE on buybacks than Innovation.

[@joesmith4443]

@@xavier3098Life changing Technology that caused more privacy issues especially in healthcare leading to less secure access

[@didorvideo]

No one is stopping anyone from buying Android instead of Apple (compare Comcast internet, how certain places don't have any other option), so in my opinion (not a legal professional), allegations of monopoly falls flat.

[@cragl3yman343]

They're not talking about a Monopoly on the phone market. They're talking about the predatory market practices that force people who are with Apple to only buy apple products. Say you buy an Iphone and Airpods cuz ya like them But you don't want an Apple Watch, BUT you like the features of a new Samsung Galaxy Watch. APPLE should allow them to use that watch in full capacity on their systems and not limit its functionality because it's not and Apple Watch. Why should someone have to buy a WHOLE NEW PHONE AND EARBUDS because they can't use the functions they want to.on the watch they prefer? It's not a Monopoly in the sense that their the only phone choice. It's in a sense that if you DO get one you HAVE to buy their products and invest more. Like why do I need to buy their special charger still when the cable is the universal USB-C now? BECAUSE APPLES DONT CHARGE FAST ON NORMAL USB-CS EVEN IF ITS THE SAME TECHNOLOGY

[@BBGOnYT]

Obviously. If you just watched the video you would know it is not about that.

[@jamarplunkett3283]

@@cragl3yman343the fault falls completely on you. You bought Apple products and then decided to buy android products, but now you’re mad that android products don’t work well with apple products? Why does a company need to necessitate that their product work well with others? They built the dam thing and decided what to do with their system. If buying that Samsung watch is so important, then why not leave the Apple ecosystem all together? If apple wasn’t a 2 trillion dollar company, then this wouldn’t even be a thing. 🤦 smh

[@Testimony201]

@@cragl3yman343bruh it’s a choice not by force. I use an iPhone and a windows laptop and other non apple products based on my choice not force. Like how other companies products work perfectly when all used with other products they make in the ecosystem, same as Apple. So that’s the problem here? Cos this law suit is so damn pointless and stupid. What they need to fight for is right to repair not this monopoly BS

[@bizmonkey007]

Apple has made messaging/texting with Android users pretty terrible by design though. I would at least like to see Apple adopt and embrace RCS, something the company says it will do. If this accelerates adoption of RCS in iOS, it’ll be a big step forward for cross platform texting/messaging

[@prokingzton]

Didn’t they already announce support for RCS, later in the future?

[@ronaldbardalez6318]

Apple has been changing (RCS, lower comissions on app store, usb-c) because of pressure. They know their time is limited to continue as a monopoly. They took small actions to avoid situations like this lawsuit. But it was a long time coming

[@edgingnothing4070]

That what I was thinking so the whole texting argument wouldn’t really be a thing. Correct me if I’m wrong

[@ronaldbardalez6318]

@@edgingnothing4070 RCS support would bring security and standards to cross-OS chats, but the green/blue bubble will stay. Blue bubbles are crucial for Apple. They're not letting that go.

[@robo9439]

​@@ronaldbardalez6318But all the other functions will be fixed. High quality images and videos, plus much better group chats between iMessage and Android. The text bubble thing is meaningless, as long as the experience is flawless.

[@20NewJourney23]

@@ronaldbardalez6318 I'm fine with that. I'm a newbie to the Apple ecosystem and like seeing the blue bubbles. I also like seeing the ability to update my contact information of the person I'm chatting with, most of the time. Occasionally I see the option to update the contact info with the name "sexy wife" and I think to myself - isn't the person I'm chatting with a guy, and why would his personal contact info be "sexy wife" who the eff knows. lol no thanks.

[@xtc-jewelry]

Excellent explanation. Thanks

[@alvzcizzler]

Very well deserved, Apple has been very anticompetitive against other platforms, developers and ultimately users

[@cannibalronny7314]

So buy an android no one is forcing you to use an IPhone

[@alvzcizzler]

@@cannibalronny7314 Have both an Android and iPhone, why would that matter?

[@JuanWayri]

​@@cannibalronny7314 DOJ lawsuit against Microsoft for its anticompetitive practices gave Apple the opportunity to grow

[@hid4]

​@cannibalronny7314 why limiting yourself to one? If you can afford both of them, what are you? Poor people?

[@MrWesley57]

@@cannibalronny7314If you buy an Apple then for some reason want to buy a Samsung Watch you can't because Apple makes it unable to by design. Thats Apple forcing customers to use its devices and monopolistic. Antitrust laws prevent businesses with significant market power from engaging in conduct that harms competition, including predatory pricing, exclusive dealing, and tying arrangements. It means that companies like Apple can't lock its system down and remove all competition because that is a monopoly is it not? Seriously Can't believe Apple fanboys are so worried, if Apple is good it should sell on its own merits not because Apple is forcing you too.

[@CadyCadwell]

what about Amazon?

[@fatherprincipal]

Let's focus on one company for now

[@mpirokajosephmgcokoca2355]

​@@fatherprincipalhahahahaha 😂 yeah I was getting confused

[@Zig_Was_Here]

Let Apple do Apple. Let competition compete.

[@mycodingchannel9690]

Hey Tim apple!

[@therambler3713]

Yeah that's the point. Apple doesn't want to compete. That's why they have a closed ecosystem.

[@Zig_Was_Here]

@@therambler3713​​⁠, and who are we to tell a company how to design a product? Other than for safety reasons, the government is here to only regulate taxes, what’s safe for the citizen/consumer, national security and break up monopolies. (as it pertains to the free market) You don’t like it? Then buy a competitor’s device.

[@ray495903314]

​@@Zig_Was_HereApple is engaging in monopolistic behavior with it's locked ecosystem, this affects businesses and developers who don't tow the Apple line.

[@FredEdmilson]

Well, by this logic they could also gun for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo for the “monopoly” of game stores on their own hardware. This is just ridiculous.

[@EvilNeuro]

The issue I guess is the lack of other companies going toe to toe with apple Thi yes?? They would. On a Playstation your locked down and forced to buy stuff at extreme prices for 0 reason. They also control everything that goes into the ecosystem. It's different somewhere like windows. Linux or android. Where u can freely install whatever you want. And in fact has been a norm for years By the way. Yk how apple tries to make sideloading seem scary ? Microsoft does too! If a developer doesn't pay a 100$ fee your computer will tell u windows protected your pc

[@riyaz4455]

Users are always free to leave. Users are enabling this to happen

[@Manship1234]

Exactly my thoughts. It’s the users’ choice of what devices they’re comfortable to use

[@dancruze]

apple is doing nothing wrong. People buy their products. So what?

[@StockyDT]

More users buy them because of the Walled Garden therefore sending them more money because it's much more of an inconvenience to be outside of an apple ecosystem when all your friends and families are. If there is a proven trends that it's easier to buy their products and they are inconvenience than the day-to-day life or Social Circles because they don't, then that means changes must be made

[@Black_Magic_Pearl]

Actually.. Apple is making it harder to leave.. I have an iPhone with airpods and an apple watch. If I suddenly decide I want to go back with android, I lose a lot of features with my apple accessories, making it a big inconvenience to switch... how delusional can you be to think apple isn't doing anything wrong?

[@dancruze]

@@Black_Magic_Pearl lots of IT devices and others are proprietary to certain brands. Why single out Apple? It's a free market to create products that work with your own products.

[@gamerclips1882]

So apple makes a great set of products that work seamlessly together and the government gets mad?

[@baateme8099]

I was about to say the same thing I’m sorry my product is better than yours So I will just share my products with you Are they thinking of security Encryption is going to be a problem at some point in time To does who understand what I mean by encryption.

[@leaf16nut]

Would you be fine with whatever brand of vehicle you drive, that company only allowing you to fill up at specific gas stations or a certain brand gasoline giving you less mileage.. That’s essentially what Apple is doing, limiting what you can and can’t do based off of their product even though another brand smart watch can do the exact same things.

[@katies2067]

@@leaf16nutkeyword “their.” It’s Apple’s product. There are no secrets and shouldn’t be any surprises as to what is “limited” and what isn’t. If you don’t like the limitations don’t buy the product. It’s that simple. There are many options.

[@baateme8099]

@@leaf16nut You are getting it wrong can you fix a Toyota with a dodge car part? if yes, it will never work as good as it’s original part Because it sounds like you are comparing apples with potatoes. For iPhones the basic things work across board with other phone, If you want all the extra that comes with the iOS then get an iOS If the other company offers something better then move to the other company Regardless of all the trouble we have in the USA we can arguably say its still one of the best country in the world Are you trying to say we should give everything that makes us one of the best country? Intelligence, military, security, freedom and more What apples got, is what makes apple great. let the other players in the industry up their game it’s as simple as that I can’t make my product better then give it to you

[@nickbailey202]

No. Did you even listen to any of this?

[@darwinlaureles]

Will they do this with Tesla too?

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

Wdym? Tesla is literally the opposite. They just recently opened their entire charging network. They also recently released their 48 volt architecture design for every other company to use for free. Tesla wants the EV space to exceed. Only problem I see with them is repairing cars. It’s hard for owners to do so, but they do allow plenty of third party company to do so if they get licensed from Tesla. Honestly that’s a good thing because 99% of Tesla owners have no clue how to work on their own cars and have none of the tools necessary to do so. Very different from ICE cars. Maybe I missed something that the DOJ has to check. But Apple is a much bigger problem.

[@heroninja1125]

And all of these lawsuits are happening alongside interoperability and right to repair laws that are sweeping the world. Here in Canada i have been eyeying two bills, bill C-244 (right to repair) and bill C-294 (interoperability). The disposable electronics and walled gardens are not going to last.

[@cassiuscartland]

0:25 this isnt even a fair argument, pixel watch and many fitbit devices only work with android

[@AndreasGerhard1]

If the pixel watch can't work with your iphone eventhough it works with other brands like samsung, oppo, vivo, oneplus, motorola, etc, then the only explanation is that apple restrict the iphone from working together with other brand... Thankyou for confirming apple's evil monopoly tactics... Appreciate that... 👏👏👏

[@Ragin.Official]

Next thing you know people gonna be complaining they can’t put their Xbox disks in a ps5

[@manart6506]

It sounds like that could be next if this taken seriously.

[@MaskedSandman]

Xbox disc is not a common accessory.. it is a written storage contains games that can only be played by xbox OS... however.. a smartwatch does not... even the chargers in xbox and ps5 controllers are common usb's... the hdmi cables are common too.. u dont need to buy xbox TV... also xbox is not priced double of ps5 for same performance

[@manart6506]

@@MaskedSandman an Xbox disc is a disc the same as a PS disk, it’s the software that makes the difference.

[@manart6506]

@@MaskedSandman a complain about Apple being more expensive it’s just something that works against the idea it is a monopoly… the high prices themselves are a reason some people choose Android or PC, Apple is ok with that when other companies would just lower the production costs and lower their prices. Customers just have the freedom to choose, in the end.

[@MaskedSandman]

@@manart6506 the disk is purchased as a read only media for the game copy only... to avoid piracy, so it's not rewritable

[@rumblingend8443]

Yeah the App Store needs to change

[@johngottiuchiha3952]

I feel this lawsuit is childish. I have a Samsung and I don't care what Apple does with their system. My wife has an apple and it doesn't bother me the lime green. I think whoever has Apple that's what they like and whoever has Samsung that's what they want.

[@autograndeunlimited]

No its not. Apple needs to face consequences for not supporting rcs

[@brokenwrench404]

Sounds like it’s a bunch of cry babies complaining about not being able to use Apple products because they refuse to buy a Apple phone

[@autograndeunlimited]

@@brokenwrench404 no one's complaining about not using them. People are calling apple out for its poor choices and practises and you're crying about them being called out

[@autograndeunlimited]

@@brokenwrench404 *you're crying about being called out for poor practises

[@NomeIndeciso]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@autograndeunlimited I’m genuinely curious and I want to understand - how does the text messaging difference affect or limit you as a user, to the degree that government should step in and make them use a different protocol? I’m only asking because I personally don’t notice it but I’m curious to hear from someone who does.

[@Portal64]

Samsung has the Samsung wallet which is not just exclusive to Samsung but certain models too. Like if this goes through that means google wallet and Samsung wallet are gonna have to be changed too

[@FroZoneDeNiro]

@1:34 What app is that?

[@10thmountainsoldier90]

Flighty-Live Flight Tracker

[@maxrobespierre9176]

It’s a sad day when the US Justice doesn’t know what the term monopoly means.

[@AmadeusAlmighty]

I think this is the dumbest thing the US could be concerned about right now. "My iPhone doesn't work like an Android" is peak stupid.

[@BenCadetThePastafarian]

if i buy a tesla will i be able to buy a chevy motor for it so i can put gas in it?

[@randomperson-gy5ee]

😆

[@redwings1974]

Curious are the government personnel also using iPhones?

[@ruccimello3484]

People need to get serious

[@user-o5g6z]

It seems like DOJ has nothing else better to do.

[@ROBMACDUI]

Verticals integration is what makes their products work together so well.

[@buckeye5088]

Nothing stopping them from doing that. They are going out of their way to degrade performance and force things to work worse for anyone wanting to use anything else which is the issue.

[@Dougget]

Yes but they will need get rid of that, just make a transition or integration with other products better. That diesnt hurt Apple consumers and may help Android users to switch more seemingly

[@ROBMACDUI]

@@Dougget Extremely buggy Microsoft products and hit or miss android features are a prime example of why vertical integration will always be better.

[@ykd0011]

Android devices work seamlessly with windows or linux devices, it's called internet. When i change my profile picture for Facebook from my phone, then open facebook on my computer, then i don't have to change it again there, it will automatically change there too, 100% of the time, there is no "but", "if" or "may be" in that. When i type a message on telegram app on android but don't send it, just type it as a draft, i can open telegram on windows or iphone or mac and hit send from there, the message would be typed there too, waiting to be send, if i make a line on Microsoft onenote on my computer, my phone would apso get that line in onenote, instantly and always, that's how internet works. So if non-apple devices and services can talk with each other so well, then why can't apple products also do that? Why can't apple products also talk with non-apple products same way as other products do, why apple products act like angry women who is upset about something and won't talk with anyone? What's up with that!

[@ykd0011]

​​@@ROBMACDUI Android devices work seamlessly with Android and non-android devices like windows or linux or apple devices, it's called internet. When i change my profile picture for Facebook from my phone, then open facebook on my computer, then i don't have to change it again there, it will automatically change there too, 100% of the time, there is no "but", "if" or "may be" in that. When i type a message on telegram app on android but don't send it, just type it as a draft, i can open telegram on windows or iphone or mac and hit send from there, the message would be typed there too, waiting to be send, if i make a line on Microsoft onenote on my computer, my phone would apso get that line in onenote, instantly and always, that's how internet works. So if non-apple devices and services can talk with each other so well, then why can't apple products do that? Why can't apple products also talk with non-apple products same way as other products do with each other and with apple products?

[@rajendrabiswas]

sad to see this human beings fighting each other instead of helping more creativity ...apple is amazing in its technology

[@battery_wattage]

It’s been years since I used Android but there was still a problem sending high quality video between androids even if sending under the size limit.

[@Crowski]

idk how to feel about this..

[@chillinJohnny]

😨😆

[@td3053]

If you don't understand than you have Stockholm Syndrome

[@Crowski]

@@td3053 I know what it’s like for customers with android phones. Constant viruses. Bricked phones. So idk how to feel about it because I know it’s going to cause a LOT of issues with security.

[@td3053]

@@Crowski I mean this is obviously a constant miscommunication because my entire life of having Samsung phones I never had a virus or a "brick phone." What I can say from experience is when I decided to take a hiatus from Samsung and tried an iPhone, I hated it and went back to a Samsung after 2 weeks. Apple phones are (as offensively as possible) simple machinery for very simple minded "cookie cutter" people. You can't do anything on those phones like you can do on Samsung. It's actually laughable how the common misconception for people with Android phones is that we are "poor" or lack "sophistication." Honestly, my Samsungs (S's, Notes, and Folds) have always been way more expensive than any iPhone and was actually a great devices for people that can think outside of the Apple secret garden. I feel the cult of Apple are the people that can't drink anything else but the Apple juice and then judge you for doing so. It's not our fault you folks can't think freely for yourselves and lack the capabilities to voice wanting more out of your device. Let's face it, your device can't do much but what Apple wants you to do, which is very very limiting.

[@Crowski]

@@td3053 I get what you’re saying cuz I’ve had nearly every flagship available in the USA lol. 😂 I work in the tech industry and help customers with their devices. There’s things with Apple that I LOVE. The security. The ecosystem. Little things in the software that just make sense that Samsung can’t do. Example: iPhone - open messages, tap on contact, click camera, take photo, edit and send. Android- you can’t do that. You have to take the photo, edit it, open gallery or the message then add the photo and send. It’s annoying. Or say I take a screen shot. I can’t just take it, edit it copy and send on a Samsung. I have to save it then attach it and then I have to delete it from my gallery. Most people aren’t going into developer options and tweaking their phone. They aren’t overclocking their phones. They don’t even know about Samsung themes…. Majority of people don’t know tech. All they know is call, email, message and the common social media stuff. That’s why Apple succeeds. They’ve perfected the phone and ecosystem. Android feels clumsy when you compare it to Apples software.

[@EdRo1900]

So many other companies doing sketchy things out there, why is Apple being targeted? 👀

[@brokenwrench404]

I suspect some politicians received hefty campaign donations to go after Apple

[@Mistygio]

Everyone is just mad at Apple for being the most innovative company in the world that’s all that’s happening here. Apple created the multi-touch display and the App Store for multi-touch apps. Now all of a sudden, Apple is in the wrong simply because other companies came out with iPhone knock offs and somehow Apple is now required to “play fair” with those knock offs.

[@issiewizzie]

How much is this costing the taxpayer?

[@mycodingchannel9690]

1/100000 of keeping Israel

[@maroonhorizon1693]

@@mycodingchannel9690😂😂😂

[@KoldSteel1990]

I would personally doll out some cash for this! 😂 It's about time Apple gets more pressure on this!

[@KnomChomper]

A tiny fraction of those corporate tax cuts righties got while raising the tax rates on average Americans

[@nickvega9816]

I’ve been an apple user since the iPhone 4G. Even when other devices had better cameras, keyboards and screen size options, I stuck with apple because the user experience was far more user friendly. Every time I upgraded my iPhone, I knew how to use it right out of the box. People in my extended family would switch between iPhone and android every year until they finally gave up on android and stuck with apple. I like the fact that apple only has to concern itself with creating software and hardware that works with apple, that’s why it works so well. When you have to have 100 different versions for a 100 different devices that is when you start having issues. But, that is just my opinion, I don’t speak for anyone else.

[@loganhyler9588]

The issue is, about half the US doesn't have iPhones. You should be able to do the bare minimum (that is texting and calling) between devices, but the way Apple is set up has prevented that. I can't tell you enough how much of a nightmare it is texting my Mom from my Samsung, the videos she sends are unusable quality. I have no interest in getting on iPhone again as it was my first phone and just wasn't fond of it. Texting at least should be usable between devices.

[@cassiuscartland]

Thats why Snapchat and instagram looks terrible on most androids. They can optimise it for each iPhone because there are only 7 models on sale. With android, there are 1000s of Manufactuers and Millions of devices, so they couldnt possibly optimise it for each one of them, and they only focus on optimising it for the really high end samsungs.

[@cassiuscartland]

@@loganhyler9588Ever heard of whatsapp? Maybe Discord? Or how about We Chat? How about Singal? The default messaging app isnt the only way.

[@VLADICA94KG]

Regarding smartwatches, Samsung has applied the same restrictions. Going forward from Samsung Galaxy Watch 4, they can't be used on Apple devices.

[@alexdaraujo]

i mean apple is also partly guilty for that not entirely samsung fault.

[@katies2067]

And that is and should always be Samsung’s right.

[@stewartviera4774]

because they tried for a while to get apple to let it work well but they didn't want it at all. So why waste engineering effort coding software for your watch to work with a phone if you know that at the end of the day the experience its gonna be bad and therefore people will either not buy it or just claim your product doesn't work? It just brings a loss of money, resources, and reputation...

[@jamarplunkett3283]

@@alexdaraujo so when Apple does it “bad”, but when Samsung does it “still Apple’s fault”😂😂. Samsung made the choice, just like every other company does.

[@alexdaraujo]

@@jamarplunkett3283 sorry man, I didn't know you couldn't understand such simple statement, again I'm very sorry for disturbing your mind.

[@therock1232100]

Competing for releasing the same old tech each new product.

[@davidgator2279]

So if we buy a car will we be given the choice of buying another companies engine?

[@Impheatus]

How is this an argument? Do car companies prevent you from replacing your tires with any brand you want? How about gas, oil, brakes, etc. They're not being sued for not incorporating Snapdragon chips to the iPhone.

[@manart6506]

Kinda feels like it.

[@unknown3158]

We won’t get good things as long as there are stupid people like you that go supporting trillion dollar companies which see you as nothing but money. And you are wrong btw, but yeah, that is a given.

[@AEducationTX]

@@Impheatussee Tesla cyber truck reselling.

[@manegrindshard]

No but your comparison is dumb because they aren't asking to replace the engine which would be the chip on a phone by comparison. They're asking to be able to add accessories to that car/ phone and have it work as it should naturally. What apple is doing is the equivalent of them saying nobody else's tires, windshield wipers and gas will work in our apple car. You must buy all of those things from us for it working properly.

[@knightone57]

You don't have to buy an iphone .

[@cragl3yman343]

That is not the problem here. THE PROBLEM is that if you say got gifted an IPhone? WELL your foot is in the door now. And Apple basically just says "Hey your IPhone is cool, but what if it was cooler?" You need a charger? Well we may be USB-C now but we have SPECIAL chargers made by us and if you're not using that even though it's the same technology the phone doesn't charge as fast! (Like intentionally 3 times slower) OH that Samsung Galaxy Watch you have? Well it can do.everything an Apple Watch can, but since you're on IPhone now we'll actually limit what it can do on our phones because it's not an Apple Watch! So if you want all these features buy and APPLE WATCH! It's literally the problem with the current Apple Ecosystem

[@mashy712]

Relax. If you gifted an iPhone. You can get a wall plug for it for like $10. Or resell it and get some money back.

[@holyvirginjd9936]

​@@cragl3yman343 just sell the gifted iphone 💅🏻

[@dancruze]

So what? If you don't like apple, don't buy or use it.

[@seanelias6478]

@@cragl3yman343Nothing wrong if a company tries to sell you more devices. It’s not a crime

[@fujitasenpai]

I'm trying to understand the app store argument. Here in my country we have Department Stores where they provide a nice large shopping place and different brands are allowed to sell in that space. Customers come and when they want to buy something they will pay at the Department Stores' cashier. The store then at the end of the month will tally up the sales and take whatever percentage (usually 30%) of consignment fee. If the brands want to be seen in prime areas where there are tons of foot traffic, they'd have to pay a premium to be displayed there for a time. I think this is considered normal practice in retail industries everwhere. Target, Walmart etc do this to brands wanting to sell in their stores. Why then Apple is considered a monopoly? If Epic or Spotify wants to sell their products on Apple but doesn't want to use Apple's payment system to avoid the fee(s), then wouldn't it be the same as the brands selling their products in the department stores but setting up their own POS outside the store?

[@06000514]

They trying to water down Apple. They need to put their energy into getting apple to put more accessories in the box.

[@cannibalronny7314]

I am more worried about the price of RAM upgrades than some competitor who might go bankrupt

[@androida8578]

Noisy background. Avoid it

[@Waimotu1]

I don’t agree with some of Apples tactics, but they are seriously not doing anything wrong. They simply have a business to run and that’s what they are doing.

[@tmat90-o8t]

No!

[@thewatcherofawesomecontent]

Yes!

[@tmat90-o8t]

@@thewatcherofawesomecontent No! Don’t buy anything Apple then.

[@thewatcherofawesomecontent]

@@tmat90-o8tDon't breathe oxygen without subscribing to Oxygen+ You criminal!

[@TechOutAdam]

"You don't like? You don't buy" are wise words for times like today.

[@iDinho__]

The lawsuits sounds like one‘s forced to buy an iPhone 😂

[@kanyewestvideos3925]

apple not accepting the messaging standard which inturn makes pictures sent between iphone and android low quality is apple fault. its got nothing to do with "being forced to buy iphone". if i decide to use my android and my buddy uses his iphone out communication shouldnt degrade.

[@iDinho__]

@@kanyewestvideos3925 the funny thing is that android did quite the same for the most time of it‘s existance. They just quit doing so cause they saw that they are losing anyway 😂 But now they complain that Apple continues this strategy 😂

[@hyggeligt007]

@@kanyewestvideos3925but if that is the case, why aren't both of you using whatsapp (and the variety of other messaging services)? Both Android and Apple support this form of communication. The choice is always given for a better experience, on either platform. Sounds more like an end-user issue rather than a company's fault.

[@ramanhalder3147]

Its about time this happened. As an Developer i was hoping that this monopoly could change.

[@BA-gq4uw]

So Apple consumers can suffer because you wanna make more money

[@ramanhalder3147]

@@BA-gq4uw I don't think so making money is just the end goal of any developer. Many of us would want to provide a different experience other than using everything inside apple's walled garden. You should look into the trial of Epic Vs Apple, you will have more insight.

[@Moustafa11]

Small correction…James Bond is MI6, not CIA.

[@jonasking3670]

Unless you count the time they sold the rights to Casino Royale and it was made into an American teleplay. Then he was an American CIA ("Combined Intelligence Agency") agent.

[@ryanwilson246]

I was just looking for someone to say this.

[@BruceRichwineJr]

Im strictly an Apple product user at this point, but this needs to happen for the general consumer. Apple is really hindering innovation. Innovation only happens on their terms. It’s the restriction of devices working with other devices is the biggest issue for me and degrading services on purpose. iMessage really does have a detrimental effect on young teens too and there is no argument there. The EI didn’t go far enough in my opinion. Of course MS is probably lobbying for this too since Apple decided that they couldn’t make money directly off of xCloud. But here in the US, they’re definitely a monopoly in the smartphone industry.

[@drenathor]

Kind of a weird take since other companies are free to innovate whenever they want. For example at any time Google could roll out support for reactions in the same way that Apple did. And most of the world actually uses apps like whatsapp to do their messaging and not the default texting apps. But more to the point, if you buy an Apple Watch you can pair it with an Android, get basic alerts, install a fair amount of apps to it and so on. Not everything works, but it's good enough that even people like Linus from Linus Tech Tips uses an Apple Watch with his Android. But on the flip side, the Galaxy Watch 4 and 5 don't work with iPhones at all. To the point where you can't even activate or pair them. Finally on top of all of that, there's more androids sold every year than iPhones so claiming Apple has a monopoly is a bit weird too.

[@BruceRichwineJr]

@@drenathor it’s not at all a weird take. This lawsuit would affect every company across the entire industry, not just Apple. The video game industry, smartphone industry, the VR industry, and etc… we need to quit defending the monopolistic nature of these companies. Apple locks you completely in and for the average consumer there is no way out if you do so choose without a complicated process that the average person isn’t able to navigate. Innovation only happens at the pace either Google or Apple allow within the smartphone industry. You can’t point to one company’s bad habits to justify the company you like bad habits.

[@drenathor]

@@BruceRichwineJr Here's my problem with that way of thinking though. The only way this would ever be able to be solved is if Google, Apple and every other company got out of the business of selling media, apps and services and ONLY provided the core software and hardware and all used the same 3rd party to provide those things. That way a person's purchases could follow them from device to device. But then that convenience would just mean a new actual monopoly... It would be like me suing microsoft because all of the apps I bought from the Windows App store don't work on a mac and I'm now locked into their ecosystem. I don't think Microsoft should be forced by governments to provide all of their apps for Mac, Linux, Unix and whatever else is out there. I don't think Sony should be forced to provide xBox licenses for any of their customers who want to jump ship to xBox. etc. At the end of the day it comes down to how you view customers. If your thought is that customers are incapable of understanding that buying a PS5 games means it won't work on an xBox, or that buying an iTunes song won't play on an Android, or that buying a Google Play app won't run on an iPad, then I guess one giant monopoly to rule them app and provide total cross platform parity is necessary. If like me though you think customers arn't quite that incapable then hey, people know what they are buying into when they buy it. Or are you going to say that since most video games don't work on Macs that all other companies should be sued and forced to start making cross platform MacOS compatible games?

[@BruceRichwineJr]

@@drenathor it’s doesn’t equate in the same way. Yes, the video game industry will be directly affected only by the store fronts just like Apple. That’s a good thing for the consumer. Interoperability is being used to hinder innovation and progress by all the companies. As I said this isn’t just about Apple, but they’re the biggest offender right now. You shouldn’t be allowed to completely lock down and ecosystem where no competition can exist without the permission of a said company. These companies have gotten to big and control every aspect of the digital marketplaces and whether any product with the smartphone sphere will be successful. This isn’t about Apple specifically. This is about the future of the entire industry. MS payed the price back in the late 90’s for the exact practices Apple has employed. Interoperability doesn’t mean android apps have to work on iOS and vice versa, it just means that third party should be given the same level of access to the api’s that Apple gives their own devices. The whole model is anticompetitive and since the 90’s our government has turned a blind eye.

[@drenathor]

​@@BruceRichwineJr Technically the Microsoft lawsuit had nothing to do with this. Microsoft made Windows to run on 3rd party hardware and made tools for their OEM vendors to allow them to bundle drivers and software into the windows installers to create custom offerings for their clients. And then started trying to bully and intimidate those vendors for adding things like Firefox by threatening to kick them out of the program. It was Microsoft's injection of themselves into other companies business practices that got them into trouble. They didn't own the 3rd party stores, the software being installed, the hardware it was being installed on, or anything. They were just one piece of software among many and were using their position to bully people. With Apple, they have their own hardware, OS, drivers, software, store and so on. If Apple wants to make their own rules, it's their stuff. No one is forced to buy it. And saying that Apple isn't allowed to do things that separate themselves from the pack actually does the opposite of what you're alleging and stifles innovation. Take the texting as an example. Prior to iPhone you had a very short character limit and small attachment size. Some companies got around this by letting you type as long a message as you wanted but they would then get split up prior to sending and sometimes this resulted in messages coming in out of order on the recipients side. Most of the world decided to innovate by making custom apps and ditching the old SMS system altogether (things like Viber, Skype, WeChat, WhatsApp, Telegram, etc. none of which work with eachother). Apple decided to innovate to figure out ways to send higher resolution images in less space, and piggy back off of SMS to let users do more with it and eventually rolled out services that worked in tandem with it to let people text money to eachother or even play video games through texting. Obviously though this only works with other Apple phones. Just like I can't expect the digital whiteboard feature in Skype to work with Telegram. Innovation requires that companies be allowed to innovate. And by nature that means they pull ahead of the competition. If everything is interoperable then there's no innovation outside of committee and that leads to stagnation and decline 100% of the time. Sure, the downside is that there are iPhone features that Android users don't have and there are Android features that iPhone users don't have. But fortunately customers can pick what they want and support the companies they want. And in the end, those differences push the entire industry forward. The government should be turning a blind eye to this as long as companies arn't doing things that are illegal.

[@aadil_social]

1:00 and 1:20 Absolutely True.

[@John24Russell]

I think it's good that Apple is being sued for its anti-competitive behavior. Even as an iPhone user, I really hope Apple becomes more open. Simple changes like allowing different text bubble colors or faster adoption of RCS messaging would be great.

[@erichocking8905]

It is not anti competitive, if you want an open ecosystem, switch to Android, simple. Apple built the iPhone ecosystem and is far from a Monopoly.

[@BA-gq4uw]

If you don’t like it, don’t complain and ask it to change, go buy something else.

[@lionkingofthejungle]

As an iOS developer i'd say Apple is definitely a monopoly. They prevent anyone from hosting app store and charge developers exorbitant fees... any transaction on iPhone MUST use apple payment system and apple charges 30% fee or app is rejected from app store. They do this of course not because they're greedy but for safety and security of their customers. Lately they started competing with small startups by building apps like Journaling, Fitness, Freeform, Notes which will kill other apps in the those categories. Startups spend lots of money on customer acquisition, apple just pre-installs apps with iOS and yes they also control search in App Store... there's simply no way anyone would be able to compete. I think the greatest threat to apple is not antitrust lawsuit, they will find corrupt officials to resolve this, the biggest problem is developers will stop building great apps and will move to different platforms.

[@albertkrussell0410]

Are you moving to a different platform soon? How soon? Are you all done with apple? How long have you had thought about leaving apple yet couldn’t do it?

[@MrWesley57]

@@albertkrussell0410Thats why their being sued for anti-trust violations and rightfully so, its big companies bullying little ones because they have all the power. The law is in place to stop this sort of thing and if Apple isn't guilty it would mean all other companies can do similar uncompetitive practices.

[@lionkingofthejungle]

@@albertkrussell0410 got Android phone last month

[@celebrityrog]

BMW needs to be sued because people who drive Fords can’t afford BMW. This is what this is like.

[@uloveme247]

Totally agree 👍

[@sharonb.9128]

I’m glad this happened since it will force everyone to answer a fundamental question or continue with a “death by a thousand cuts”. Apple is right! They chose the more difficult and costly approach with vertical integration. Google COULD have developed a messaging app for Android, instead Google’s default messaging app is SMS. Leaving the creation of messaging apps to the BIGGEST data mining company in history- Facebook. WhatsApp and Messenger? Seriously? Apple took a huge risk with vertical integration and now that it proven the successful route other are demanding a piece of their business. Fight on!

[@DemetriForex]

Ironically, the Walled Garden is why i switched back to Android after using my iPhone for about a year

[@Sealambert]

I think that Cook’s pushback against feds after the San Bernardino shooting must have hit a nerve with DOJ.

[@gordiebrooks]

This whole suit is ridiculous !! There are dozens of other phones out there in the market that people can buy. Apple doesn’t force you into buying an Apple product, that’s a decision the consumer makes. If anything Apple should be sued for price gauging its customers and that’s about it. People buy Apple products because they feel safe in doing so.

[@urquell6483]

doj should buy some shares in aapl and get over it

[@fendermon]

Yes, they all no doubt own Apple shares in some manner. They will slap Apple, and little more. If nothing else all the teachers pensions in the country own shares. Invest in dog food companies if they break Apple because lots of retirements will require eating it.

[@Turkiye958]

Tbh I’ve got for years I don’t know much difference from Samsung etc and it’s hire prices

[@folklore_of_beth]

Why is no one mentioning the gate around their software too? If you want to use MacOS, you need to buy a Mac or have a bunch of work arounds.

[@cassiuscartland]

If I want to use a ChromeOS (Flex does not count), I either have to buy a chromebook or use a bunch of workarounds. Its not just apple. Also, OpenCore is getting easier to install anyway so

[@520azdc]

I'm a simple man. I just want iPhones to have 3.5mm audio jacks again.

[@naruto6918]

That’s useless unless you are hardcore gamer ! Wires are inconvenient

[@AdmiralBison]

Some commentators needs to STOP bootlicking Apple corporation. No one cares if this effects your shares. This is about consumer freedom and choice and finally dealing with obvious monopolies. EU needs to press even harder and put corporate greed in its place now.

[@sma9810]

⁠you’re naive. Government keeps pressuring Apple to give them a back door to spy on US citizens but Apple shows middle finger. This is the way US government bullies you.

[@WilliamH.JeffersonJr.-bw2dd]

Put the damn charger in the box. It started with that BS and get rid of the stupid notch

[@srikanthmandela2511]

Apple has been such a huge hypocrite. Finally a lawsuit to show them their place.

[@Steve_A_Gallant-fitness_music]

Isn't apple switching to RCS suppose yo help with texting between IOS and Andriod?

[@David-kh2gk]

This dog ain’t gonna hunt lmao

[@victormejia2983]

I buy Apple products because I can trust any software I use on it. If they open iOS then it has no difference from android were I have to be more careful on how I use it. That’s why my iPhone is my daily driver and my android for software I can’t find on iOS. My iPhone has better security. FaceTime and iMessage I do wish I could use on android because I hate having separate messaging apps. But due to lawsuits Apple had to hold back from opening these services in the past and then they saw the benefit and kept them that way. This lawsuit is bull.

[@leondequadros]

Lmao what? If you're so worried about side loading apps or getting them through alternative stores then just... Don't? This doesn't affect anyone's use of an iPhone unless they want more control over it. Apple locking you in to the smartwatch you use doesn't keep you safe and neither does the lack of sideloading ability. Most of my friends don't even know you can sideload an app on their Android phones so it wouldn't matter except to the people that really want it. At the end of the day consumer facing features are always good features

[@robsumone2040]

I always liked the company Samsung/ Android better than iPhone, but I felt that with an iPhone I wasn't connected to people and friends around me with the facetime features and messaging. Another thing that will be fixed Is the iPhone storage monthly fee problem. Paying for my storage, because It doesn't allow me to transfer to my HP laptop.

[@ironspider6851]

to transfer data from iPhone to windows, you have to use an application called iTunes in your windows pc.

[@PastorWynn]

As a committed Apple Ecosystem user, I am firmly against the DOJ trying make Apple permit other brand devices to have access to the Apple system. For security, privacy, and function reasons, that would be a very bad idea. Also, the DOJ is seriously misrepresenting the issue when they cite the "monopoly" issue. Apple does not have a monopoly. If they did, they would be the only smartphone, watch, etc on the market. They are not. No one is forced to go to Apple to have a phone or other e-device. There are ample competitors out there. I switch to Apple in 2009, and haven't looked back. The apps work in seamless fashion across devices, and there are no worries about invasion of privacy or security. This is one that the government should keeps its nose out of. Obviously, their millions of users are satisfied with the cost products and apps. If they are not, they can easily switch to a non-Apple environment.

[@AEducationTX]

Doesn’t Android and Google have the same concept of keeping people on their ecosystems? Isn’t Android have more of the market than Apple. This is just dumb.

[@ceruleansky6670]

Worldwide, yes. In the US, however, Apple is a supermajority player in the market at 75% (and climbing) market share and the strangle that Apple has in the market is clear.

[@AndreasGerhard1]

Apparently no... Apple is the only one who keeps people on their ecosystem... Xiaomi users can use Samsung earbuds or pixel watch, lenovo laptop, or any cross-platform combination without any issue, but apple can only works with other apple product... Iphone cannot connect with windows or any other product except apple, even the messaging app... That's the issue...

[@PcruProducer]

@@AndreasGerhard1not true. My Apple phone can work with any earbud. Samsung to any other android device like a watch is logical.

[@AndreasGerhard1]

@@PcruProducer Not to the point you can maximize the full capabilities of the earbuds... Even samsung smartthings on iphone can only be used to connect the older version of samsung galaxy earbuds, but you can't use it on the newer one...

[@PcruProducer]

@@AndreasGerhard1 maximize capabilities is not what’s at question. It’s saying “only works with Apple product”. Which is false. It doesn’t carry all the features but it does work. Android isn’t owned by Samsung, Xiaomi etc. it’s a good thing so “pixel” will have features the others won’t. (Like bloatware) Apple is a software company that makes their own hardware. I see this lawsuit getting thrown out.

[@tenslider6722]

GoogleMap should be next.

[@crabnix]

Huh? You know you can use literally any other navigation app if you want to. You don't necessarily have to use Google maps

[@njpme]

What's the issue with Google Maps?

[@tenslider6722]

@@crabnix Google own Waze as well . google ran yelp to the ground. All other booking app businesses are affected by google map.

[@mr.blanco6763]

💀💀💀💀💀green messages got Apple sued. What a joke

[@ray495903314]

It also doesn't have modern standards when communicating with Android devices such as group text, high quality photos/videos, and e2ee encryption. This can create hostility towards Android users and diminishes the express experience for both Android and iPhone users. Apple also blames Android users despite them not putting in industry standards in their texting service.

[@filipmarkovic369]

As someone who has and loves Apple Watches. I started hating apple because once I wanted to buy a Galaxy Z flip 5. Apple made sure to make the watch that I payed for, unusable.

[@fujitasenpai]

I love car accessories from Honda but I started hating Honda because once I wanted to buy a Toyota, Honda "made sure" to make their accessories that I payed for, unusable.

[@cassiuscartland]

3:19 ever heard of anything called whatsapp? or maybe discord? or WeChat? The default messaging app isnt the only option

[@20NewJourney23]

Whatsapp is used mostly by scammers, so that's OUT for me. Plus it's owned by Meta/Facebook. No thanks. Discord, sure, but it's an awfully big app for what is needed for using it as a messenger on phone. Big meaning the interface is complicated and too large to adequately use it on a phone. I have and use it but minimally (on phone). WeChat isn't used in the US because it's, again, mostly used by scammers. Signal, Telegram, Session, and Facebook Messenger are the biggies over here in the US. Most people use FB Messenger than Signal and Telegram. Very few people AFAIK use Session.

[@Kosi868]

Based on this logic are they going to sue PepsiCo for not selling Coca Cola in Taco Bell and KFC. Sounds ridiculous but it’s the same principle. Companies are legally allowed to favor their own products over that of competitors.

[@abhirupsingh4004]

Good finally

[@auwkeung]

Frankly speaking, I don't see anything wrong with it. If you don't like Apple's strategies, just don't buy the iPhone.

[@drenathor]

Just waiting for the government to ban the nintendo switch now because apparently we customers are too stupid to know it can't play PS5 games when we buy them or something...

[@SalivatingSteve]

I mainly want the ability to sideload apps. I’m an Android developer and don’t have to pay any fees to test Android apps on a real device. Apple requires a $99 annual developer fee just to test apps on physical hardware.

[@b6yg]

APPLE WILL NEVER SUPPORT SIDE LOADING.

[@drenathor]

There's plenty of 3rd party apps out there that let you sideload apps to iPhone. The main caveat is that without the premium developer account they are limited to a 7 day window (but more than enough if you're developing something and just testing it out).

[@missemotional8710]

Yeah because paying 99$ a year is so expensive, bffr

[@cassiuscartland]

actually, you get 7 days per app testing for free, if you want to use it past then you just reinstall the app

[@20NewJourney23]

@@b6yg They do in the UK, by law.

[@richardsouza3125]

DOJ is wrong. I pay a premium for this Apple experience. DOJ should be going after Google for privacy violations.

[@dreya2819]

People have a choice of which ecosystem they want to live in. The argument is sad. It’s like saying, I drive a ford f150, but I want to have the rivian display in my truck.

[@turbyoulance]

APPLE (BTW i own an iPhone) has become , NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE. I will never buy another one.