Here's What Soldiers Think of the U.S. Army's Brand New Handgun

After months of waiting, the Army’s brand new pistols are finally where they belong: in the hands of American soldiers.
On Nov. 28, the 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, began fielding the M17 and M18 pistols picked up as the Army’s new Modular Handgun System at the beginning of 2017. And for the first time, the new handgun is being issued to team leaders first, according to Military.com, a policy that will extend to all Army units who will receive the new sidearm over the next 10 months.
“This weapon is going to go down to the team leader, which is not what we typically have in the 101st or across most light divisions,” 10st master gunner Sgt. 1st Class Andrew Flynn told Military.com. “We are putting this weapon into the hands of a lot of younger soldiers who have never fired it.”
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[@thelos8093]

After seeing this, I feel much better about my shooting skills 😆

[@Calligraphybooster]

And I do about my talking skills!

[@MrSchmitty133]

The techniques of some of these guys is atrocious! I haven’t seen this many tea cups since my daughters used to have tea parties with their dolls! 😳😳

[@187Burks]

Hahaha

[@garyboardwine3349]

Armchair warriors

[@booman1545]

Teacup hand grip when shooting....... In the words of China Joe “C’mon man”

[@pfcajwatkins]

STOP with the computer voice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jimmyshousevideos]

Watkins 7212 but then he couldn't just copy and paste articles from the internet to make a video

[@grimtheextraordinary1074]

Aw darn

[@lewiswereb8994]

Computer voice bullshit stopped me halfway through. It is not natural does not have the proper cadence,syntax, or pronunciation in American, or probably not in ANY language. It plain STINKS.

[@eyeofthetiger8287]

Stop writing shit IDIOT it seems you are more interested in this voice then in the message , piss off IDIOT !

[@jollygreenjustin]

It is a very easy hand. Gun to shoot.

[@danielfronc4304]

I like how the noob at about 6:00, changing out his "empty" gun , points the gun at the other soldier to his left. Reeeaaalll good training.

[@mrmunitions9131]

I caught that as well… 🤦‍♂️

[@rogertycholiz2218]

Daniel ~ I kinda wondered what the noob was doin!

[@ronniepowell3136]

Man I was thinking the same thing like wtf, does anybody else see this lol

[@patriciajrs46]

Sad.

[@barntapes3414]

Made ME duck

[@chrisjames3087]

I was a USAF SP in the mid 70's. Our sidearm was a .38 cal. 6 shot Revolver. The ammo they gave us would rattle down the barrel. The military has come a long way. A funny story, I was guarding a camouflaged C-130, it was about three AM when a bus pulled up to my gate, very unusual for that early, so I decided to have a look inside. I walked up the steps and when I turned I saw the bus was completely full of Green Berets, with all their exotic weapons. To their credit, no one laughed at my .38 revolver.

[@krasherz2274]

Sounds like they surprised you, then they did a good job

[@jk3jk35]

was that the hostage rescue C-130?

[@ElectricLarry__]

​@@jk3jk35😏👉I think he was telling just another one of those "cool stories" bro 😁

[@adamcuneo7189]

The S&W Model 15 is a very cool looking gun, I don't know what I would be laughing at if I were them.

[@GbSfODA]

When I was with 1st SFG (70-71) our issued sidearm was a SW M10 .38 Special. God bless, stay safe and healthy and thank you for your service!😁

[@rjohnsoneod]

After 20yrs Army I have multiple pistols and rifles and taught my son how to sight, shoot, and safety as well as general range "etiquette". My son made it to E5 (Army) last year. His problem is that as an Army mechanic and an NCO his unit seldom trains, almost never does organized PT, and has not been to the qualification range in over a year. New unit this year and received about 1/2 of his issue and was told that he would have to buy what he needed for the field. His soldiers told him it has been like that for a long time. I joined the Army in 83 and most of my senior NCOs were combat Vets. Most of our gear was Vietnam era as were our radios and trucks but we did some type of training every day. PT at 0430 and last formation was at 1800. Some days we would sign out our weapons and carry them around all day just to get used to handling them. It is not the fault of these Soldiers that they cannot handle a weapon properly. It is the fault of the senior leadership.

[@kellykeefe3610]

From 77 to 80 we did a lot of training. The military pay scale for an E4 was $600.00 per month, that's way I left military service.

[@bulldog41]

That is pretty much the whole army. That is why we have the Marine Corp, to get the job done right.

[@kaedyngraham1860]

@@bulldog41 Who's in Europe right now?

[@bulldog41]

You can blame Biden for that. Troops have no business being involved. It's Europe's problem.

[@terryfowler6090]

Served us army 70-78, one tour in Nam. Marksmanship training was very rare. One time in Germany, we went to the range but had no targets. We were told to just put rounds downrange.

[@SilverbaKGoREALa]

Coming from an Army Veteran that was pretty hard to watch. Grips, Mechanics, safety etc... just awful.

[@gerrychambers5284]

Willie Campbell I thought that the soldiers should have better handling than what I was seeing

[@KeeperPlus]

@@gerrychambers5284 I'm not even military and I noticed it. Btw thanks for your service

[@chynamon03]

Bruh and at one point the dude closest to the camera muzzle flashed his partner and kept his finger on the trigger even while in the low ready. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@johnmellitchey6625]

From the other side of the world and with 46 yrs in our military (now retired) I could not agree more. The techniques applied were pretty shocking, although in fairness I doubt our military would have faired better. I think it is pretty common that military training around the world do not prioritize handgun shooting except maybe special forces.

[@edruiz6364]

I was in the ARMY when they were transitioning from the .45 to the 9mm. I remember hearing a few complaining that even though it was a little bit more accurate and the mag held more bullets, they would prefer the .45 in a wartime situation.And that was then.

[@VikingPreparedness]

Would have been nice if they were actually taught how to fire a handgun....

[@rickbarnes7745]

Are you being sarcastic or did you not watch the video?

[@alistairthomson8710]

Don't worry - if a soldier actually has to engage an enemy with a handgun he's already lost the battle.

[@throatpunch4789]

@@rickbarnes7745 lots of those guys were holding the gun wrong. And yea there is a right and wrong way to hold a handgun!

[@waltermassey5155]

well they are Army lol

[@mef12727]

@@throatpunch4789 they have the mentality of I don't need to hold a gun properly. We have drones and nukes.

[@videomaniac108]

I was in the Army in the late 60s and shot the Colt M1911A1 semi automatic with never a problem. Today I have a custom 5" M1911 clone, shooting .45 ACP +p FMJ. I have shot Glocks and S&W semi autos but still prefer the grip and feel of the classic 1911. The trigger action is smooth and solid, being superior to anything else I've shot. Being a single stack magazine with a slim frame, the 1911 not only fits well in your hand but it conceals well in a shoulder or IWB holster. I will admit that the Glocks I've shot are very reliable and surprisingly accurate for me, considering how much I hate their trigger feel. My dream gun would be a long-slide 1911 shooting .45 super.

[@KylleinMacKellerann]

Carried one in 'Nam. Never failed if I did my part. Later found out it was a virtual antique, a SINGER still in Army hands. I just wish I had it now, what with all the crackpots out there. So I make do with a Springfield Operator. Decent enough but lacks the charm of my old Singer.

[@gentrydebbie1040]

try a nice CZ .

[@sameerthakur720]

1911. A classic which lasted so long. If it ain't broke...don't fix it.

[@billbertrand7751]

I to love the ACP 45 5IN BARREL, SPRINGFIELD MA1 VERY NICE

[@yacawntmiss]

I'm with you on the 1911. I do like my Sig SP2022. Very accurate but has a high axis similar to the firearm in this video. High axis=more muzzle flip=slower follow up.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Hey, let’s ask a bunch of newbies who have minimal firearms experience what they think of the new sidearm! Sounds like a great idea.

[@savvysavage1857]

Everyone was once a newbie so I think it’s a great idea. Let’s be real, you’re indirectly patting yourself on the back and being self righteous/grandiose thinking you’re above people. Just stfu and stop spewing your garbage

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

@@savvysavage1857 I could say the same of you. But I won’t because I’m not as self righteous as you.

[@savvysavage1857]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm did you just completely blameshift and turn it back on me and not even come up with your own thought? Wow

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

@@savvysavage1857 I was being funny. You are just being sad. Sorry for you.

[@savvysavage1857]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm ohhhh that was a joke. I’m hoping you have a real job then and you’re not relying on your comedy to pay the bills

[@peteshour768]

The new pistol went into the hands of the elite pencil pushers first in case they need it in a fire fight with the clerks and jerks.

[@franc587]

I agree with your observation!! How I hated it everytime the higher ups did that crap to us

[@firehouse6226]

The guys in the video are not regular grunts. Remfs most likely.

[@patriciajrs46]

Oh dear.

[@jimjustice581]

This pistol has a remarkable resemblance to the Sig 226. I was in law enforcement in the ‘80’s and everyone wanted the Glock. It didn’t feel right in my hands, whereas the 226 was a great fit. It’s my go-to to this day.

[@johnhatchel9681]

Glocks feel awkward in my hands, too.

[@brodocbetty4856]

During my military service I was trained on M16 and 1911 limited training on the m60, Loved them all.

[@grevillebowles8420]

It is a wonder that more soldiers don't die during training. That was hard to watch.

[@berettaxd7566]

ND?

[@seattleman3708]

how did they die, i wonder?!

[@boarzwid1002]

I would’ve loved that when I was a team leader

[@boarzwid1002]

It’s called tip of the spear , you must be sqeemish ,

[@son_of_guns]

@@doyouwanttobefamous2556 I tried to politely explain this issue in some other feed, but it's the internet so..apologies about your friends

[@ronsteltz7538]

I loved the guy pointing an unfamiliar gun at his buddies even though he thought it empty broke the first rule of firearm safety. ALWAYS POINT DOWN RANGE>

[@barneyrice8502]

I always taught my kids you never point a gun at anything you are not going to shoot

[@elsathedemonwolf1035]

This isn’t the Campbell of the 80’s range control

[@killilluminati40]

You grab it by the barrel and away from anything hazardous and people.

[@albsureinc23]

Always assume is loaded

[@stevekatz4372]

I thought this was a video of what our guys thought about this New Pistol! Where are the Interviews?

[@joelburch1542]

I have not had a great deal of actual military combat experience with the pistol. Used mine exactly once. Had my 1911 in my hand when I ran into(literally) 3 NVA. I was running like hell for one of my squad leaders when a flare popped... and they were right there. I would like to say I charged, but actually I just slammed into the little guy sending him flying. I guess the other two were as surprised as I was and just stood there while I fired from a long range of two or three feet. I saw the first one trying to stand and, by today’s standard, murdered him. They were brave men. I wish I could bring them back to replace some of the assholes running around our cities today. Those few seconds will stay in my mind as long as I live.

[@aidanaventures7931]

WORTHY ADVERSARY

[@tysoncutler3630]

By todays standard just owning a gun would have murdered him in the mind of new "adults".

[@mikehawk4856]

Congrats on murdering innocent Asian men in a war to make the 1% richer under the false guise of “fighting communism”.

[@mikehawk4856]

You are a murderer

[@frankquevedo6001]

Rough. I know. Nonetheless stay strong. You did what had to do. God bless & support our 2nd Amendment.

[@plombme]

My DI would have slapped me silly had I used such poor safety procedures in the range! Pitiful!

[@charleswilson7371]

Don't give to any N. Guard troops. They'll wreck it or kill own troops.

[@Airsoftcleaner]

I agree, They would have rodded your ass off that range and you wouldn't come back on it

[@jerryreisz4996]

More like slapped you senseless

[@wileytw55]

Amazing how many "soldiers" don't use proper grip on their handguns, and how many of them seem nervous or afraid of handling their weapons.

[@BigheroC]

tom w. And then come out and open up training businesses!

[@largol33t1]

tom w, I seriously wonder if a few of them were thinking "Why are we shooting pistols?! Why aren't we using full auto fire with our M4s?!"

[@davidb8831]

largol33t1 some are just weak men this is there way to try to become strong.

[@shelbyc4348]

Billy Ray infantry may not be what you think a “skill” but are you truly this ignorant? The Military offers more than just shooting weapons at bad guys. Jesus. Look it up will ya?

[@xchillxdawgx]

The real us army is the militia

[@xxxxxx-tq4mw]

Seeing some of the 101st’s initial test firing, the personnel all looked like older, higher ranking, chairborne commandos, wanting the certification on their 201 files and not in the hands of the troops who go out into the field.

[@Harry-O]

I remember boot camp and M16 training. I had been shooting rifles most of my life before that. However, being a new recruit you try too hard to do it right. Shooting to put food on the table , does not compare to shooting to stay alive. These guys, some of which had never shot anything other than dice, have a learning curve to deal with. Recruits…..will be protectors of people. Their job will be tough.

[@trenton6036]

3:15 looks like these soldiers have never fired a handgun

[@patriciajrs46]

Probably true.

[@bustabass9025]

Got an old (circa 1960) military issue Remington Rand 1911, .45 ACP. Built solid, very accurate, and runs like a Rolex. I'd jump over a whole bunch of them boxes of new Sigs to get to it. It eats my 230 grain LRN handloads like M&M's, and drops game in its tracks like a bad habit. For my tax dollars they could have never discontinued its issuance. I have many other handguns in my collection of firearms. Any gun that was good enough to protect our valiant warriors through two world wars, the snow and cold of Korea, and the jungles of Vietnam, is certainly worthy of my respectful carry. Guns N Basses Forever! 🔫 🎸

[@49525Bob]

The first time I fired an Army model 1911 was on a Thai police range. We couldn't hit the side of a barn. The Thai police with their .38 revolvers showed us why if a Thai police officer says "HALT," (in Thai, not English,) you better be screeching to a halt. They don't miss. They appeared to be amused at our ineptitude.

[@pavelmorozov6599]

5:52 he just flagged his buddy's head. 6:05 nice trigger discipline, thats how you shoot your own. 6:12 i swear to god this guy is going to accidentally kill someone. 9:35 lmao

[@lbertlopez83]

Damn...hope we never go to war🙄

[@whitham1961]

I noticed that also and just about to comment that but I thought someone else had to notice it and sure enough. I hope that soldier realized he could of blown a hole into his buddies head.

[@70paladin2012]

I’m so glad you made this comment. I’m at the 6 minute mark and I just about woke my wife up because I was bouncing around the bed yelling at this dude.... Where is the range safety? I’m embarrassed that they actually showed that!

[@captaincoyote1792]

Damn....that made me jump as well! I was maybe 12-13? I had my head slapped pretty hard one of my first days with a revolver...by my Dad....when I neglected “muzzle control”. I never forgot it...until one day many years later with the M9 at boot camp. Not adequately familiar with a semiautomatic--nervous--I once more got my head slapped again! I’ve never forgot that. I guess, one day, when they issue ray guns, I’ll get slapped on the head once again!

[@TheWolfsnack]

....hey....are these guys the "team leaders" they were issued to?

[@NovosOrdoMundi]

3:27 watching him squeeze the trigger again w/ the slide locked back on an empty mag made my skin crawl

[@bkdexter79]

Today's new Army!

[@markattila9835]

Some needed for fighting, some for catching bullets...

[@JDRhoads09]

I don't know how much hand gun shooting you've done but until you are tuned to a new sidearm... you can't tell the slide is locked back looking down the sights. I know when I'm out with my M9 but that's come from instinct and hundreds of rounds of practice. None of these guys in this video have ever touched the p320 before. And its honestly very annoyingly different from the M9.

[@kirkford8972]

It's a known fact that you don't have to be a badass to serve in the military... especially the army 💯😭

[@chuckoaks6756]

New in his hand? He has a lot to learn about his pistol.

[@atlanticdefense3818]

I first used Sig Handguns back in the 1980's with the original P226 which in my opinion was one of the finest pistols ever made. In 2017, I transitioned from Glock over to a P320c. That lasted one month. At the 175 round mark, I began having trigger reset failures which were not consistent but progressively got worse. I contacted Sig and the tech I spoke to tried to tell me there was nothing wrong with the pistol and that "I needed to shoot it more and the issue would cease". I told him I was an armorer and that the issue was clearly a problem in the FCU (Fire Control Unit). He stopped arguing with me and sent a RMA shipping tag by email. I got the pistol back within 8 days. The issue? The trigger bar inside the FCU was out of spec which caused the trigger timing to be off. This is a fatal flaw with the P320 FCU design which can rear it's head at any point during the life of the weapon and it can and will render the user defenseless. I have spoken to unit armorers in the US Army who said they have seen the same issue with the M17 and to an alarming degree as well as other issues and they also told me Sig has been very slow to give them support when trying to assess the issues. Looking at how the NJSP had major issues with their Sig P229's and how the FBI's FTU rejected the P320, I am convinced Sig has major QC issues right now. They batch test their guns now whereas in the old days they tested each gun at the J.P. Sauer factory in Germany. Now they build as many guns in a month as they did in a year back in the 80's in Germany. IMO, major difference in quality.

[@jackpeters9349]

Why is the Us army buying foreign guns? No Smiths Springfield's?

[@dr.knuckles9149]

That’s why I bought me GSG Firefly 22lr Almost Flawless with Cci mini mag

[@andreszavala9855]

M&P all day, every day baby! Bought the m&p 9 fde model that lost to this Sig. Shoots like a dream!

[@Dragon228833]

They’d be better off with Tauruses

[@KylleinMacKellerann]

Sig's are okay, but a bit over hyped, (IMHO)

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

“Ever grip a pistol soldier?!!!” “Sir, NO SIR!”

[@airleclair]

When I went through OSUT in Ft. Benning in 1993, pistol marksmanship consisted of a two-hour class, and maybe 4 mags through a Beretta 92FS? Honestly, that was the bulk of the training. So the shooting mechanics were never real big. It doesn't surprise me to see this, to be honest.

[@michaelp8564]

What do you expect from 4 lieutenants pointing north?

[@BobbyTucker]

@@airleclair I have my original US Government issue, Berretta 92 FS, I love it and I'll have it until the day I die. The Colt 1911A1 is hell on my wrist, I've broken more times than I can recall. All the fighting and Bullcrap takes it's toll on a body, especially the wrists.

[@mixedmarksman5873]

🤣

[@shane99ca]

They should be made to practice gripping their guns before they're allowed to hold their sidearms. Let the sergeant watch.

[@KylleinMacKellerann]

I think I'd keep the Beretta. I have one (Mod 92, civilian version of the Army pistol). It's accurate, easy to use, has great sights, and so far has jammed only once (out of a couple of thousand rounds - jam was a reload I didn't put a primer in...). Why fix what isn't broken unless you're a General who wants something new and SHINY!!! ? (and to hell with the s.o.b.'s that actually carry them...)

[@analogueoverdigital929]

Same. I love berettas. My 92fs is a beauty and hasn't jammed, stovepiped, w.e in about 800 plus rounds so far. I also love glocks, Smith and Wesson, and the obvious Ruger and HKs, both proven reliability. Haven't jumped on the sig train just yet.

[@ronaldparvanian6949]

Carried a Beretta 92fs in both law enforcement and security In snow and rain. Have never had one misfire in thousands of rounds. Refinished and had an armorer friend go through the gun for retirement.

[@pamady276]

05:53 wait, Did he just reload his gun while pointing into his friend beside him? Even the mag was empty, there is still chance for accident.

[@fortnex9972]

They weren´t his friends!!! LOL

[@connorf6704]

Well this is definitely one of the most cringe worthy things I’ve seen in a while.

[@biggredd1034]

5:52 reload mag while pointing your gun at your battle buddy standing next to you on the firing line. Is this the US Army or a SNL skit?

[@dreamdancer8212]

Was my thought too. Too many people don´t realize that a firearm is a damn dangerous thing - and you can take no bullet back.

[@shane99ca]

That guy was kind of a Gomer Pyle actually...

[@bepolite6961]

Gasped and cursed out loud when I saw that.

[@AtlantaTerry]

I was in the Air Force and even I knew how badly he screwed the pooch.

[@bevgharst72]

My husband was a Marine in the 1970's & saw an old Marine at the Mess hall that was a Pvt. E-1. When he asked what his story was, he was told he was an E-8, but was busted down to Pvt. when he was unloading his 1911 in the Co. office & it went off, killing another Marine. That soldier at 6:00 was pointing his pistol directly at the man to his left when reloading, which reminded me of the incident at Camp LeJeune in 1975.

[@dumbassdriversofdenver9113]

I always love the Army's policy of giving the handguns to the people that will never use them. Such a great use of resources. Officers sitting in TOC/BDOC behind 3 armed guards in the middle of the wire, and they all have pistols while their guards don't. Still have 40 m4s in the arms room but they have to have the pistols.

[@KylleinMacKellerann]

Officer "HAVE" to carry pistols lest they accidentally shoot someone with an issue rifle...

[@paratrooper629]

My understanding the army intends to issue M17/18s down to infantry squad and fire team leaders. Good call. I carried a M1911A1 for most of my career. I qualified expert with the M9 but did not care for it. Long retired.... I rotate my EDC between my compact/mid sized 1911s and my Glock 19. My oldest son gave me a taurus G3 for my birthday last year. As good as my G19 at half the price. If you want a great 1911 at a very reasonable price.... rock island armory. 9mm.... taurus G3 and palmetto state Armory Dagger.

[@paratrooper629]

I knew an ARNG title 10 AGR transportation Corps officer. Never ever commanded a unit. Always staff officer. Promoted to Colonel. His official photo showed him wearing an expert badge for the M16. Having been on the qualification range with him I have some hesitation that he qualified expert. And an O6 wearing it? I will be kind and say it is baffling an O6 would wear it. I earned my EIB AS a 1LT and part of that was qualifying with my assigned weapon. I carried an M16 and since we had them in our company arms room I also carried a M1911A1. Btw.... I have seen photos of MacArthur as Army chief of staff in the 1930s wearing expert rifle and pistol badges.... looks like what the USMC wears today.

[@49525Bob]

As a REMF MI senior NCO I had the option of wearing a pistol, or carrying a rifle. I choose the rifle, unless I was flying as a classified material courier, where only a pistol was allowed.

[@geektarded]

Judging from this video, the Army doesn’t teach soldiers how to shoot pistols. 🤦‍♂️

[@arnenelson4495]

They never did.

[@russscott552]

They taught us how to kill very well though, especially with our hands and rifles and knives. I shot expert with the m1 and m11 carbine sharp shooter with the 1911.its the m11 and the 1911 that I loved the most. Those old 1911's were hard to be accurate with and the m11 wanted to walk your arms to the sky .those were the days my friends ,we thought they never end. Soon be 60 years 21d ft Benning GA

[@russscott552]

The he'll you say geek unless you been in the u s army or the US marines ain't no listening to you just wondering why your so ignorant.

[@geektarded]

@@russscott552 I spent 4 years in the Army in the early 90’s (as an enlisted soldier so no pistol training for me in the Army). Didn’t mean to offend you but anyone that understands modern shooting techniques can look at that video and see based on recoil alone that the soldiers in the video have no idea how to properly grip a pistol which is a clear indicator they were poorly trained. Guess they spent the money on equity, diversity and inclusion training instead.

[@michaelward9880]

Someone might get hurt!

[@izsafe1]

My first issue pistol in the Army was an old worn out 1911A1...that I loved. Years later I carried an M9 on two deployments. Over 22 years of Army...they never had anybody to train me how to shoot a pistol...that I had to learn in civilian life and then helped to train Soldiers. For the most part, most of those in the Army will NEVER EVER use a pistol to win a battle, it's more of a decoration and it really doesn't matter what they issue. But I bought myself a M17, and I think it is one of the best pistols ever made.

[@tobysirus4996]

"This is my weapon and this is my gun,"......"This ones for shooting and this ones for fun !"

[@tobysirus4996]

DI caught me with field jacket unbuttoned,called me Elvis and made me run around our platoon while marching yelling this.Our guys needed a laugh anyway !

[@tobysirus4996]

@@samboggs3499 Was that mass punishment for breaking a rule or something?

[@mexcellent3261]

@@samboggs3499 In Full Metal Jacket, Senior Drill Instructor/Gunnery SGT. Hartman says, "This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun." I would trust him over anyone else. His character is played by R. Lee Ermey, a real life drill instructor for the Marines.

[@jamescrowe7892]

Wonder what the females say.

[@AR-pm9nv]

I worked in the USAF law enforcement armory in Okinawa from 86-87. We had the old Smith & Wesson model 15 38’s.

[@adamcuneo7189]

Thank you so much for your service sir, so you were an MP?

[@jdeadeye4666]

The weapons handling and overall safety in this video is absolutely laughable. The Army needs to step up their pistol training.

[@c.l.6523]

They're still learning. If what the video said was correct, it was the first time any of them shot a pistol, since MPs and Officers usually use pistols; but, now, Team Leaders got issued first, a role that didn't get issued pistols before. Also, the Army uses a crawl-walk-run methodology for training. These new TLs are probably at the "crawl" phase with the pistols. Hopefully, in week 2 or 3, the pistol usage would be much, much better. Finally, this is training footage, not a demonstration. So, yeah, it's OK to look bad, especially when you're learning :)

[@bleachyourlife2299]

Says you

[@GregQuillen]

Pretty sure from article i read these were office workers not combat arms

[@sloebone7399]

From the looks of it I don’t think the pistol was the problem.

[@brandonsmisek]

@@sloebone7399 These people look tired or ill informed. I am not impressed with this.

[@kengray5793]

Please take the time to have someone other than a computer narrate your videos from now on. After all the mispronunciations, I would only make it about half way through.

[@danharvey2876]

Ken Gray he does it because he just copies a news article and pastes it on a software that creates the voice. Basically ripping off someone else’s work

[@Gotobar]

Dan Harvey Sounds like plagiarism to me, that's a tad illegalllllll

[@joshbennett1049]

Agreed. Aside from it sounding like shit it's just plain lazy

[@LarryC213]

Ken Gray, Well said, sir. I agree.

[@jslugbug37]

Ken Gray he has to copyright infrinfements

[@user-cg1ni7ub9i]

During WW 2 my father was a medic and was sent to the Philippines Islands, he carried the Thompson Sub machine gun. When I went to Vietnam I carried the 1911 45 and the Stoner . From 1969 till 1971 both of these weapons never failed me. Why the American military would ever leave the 45 as a sidearm is beyond me. The first sidearm was the Colt SAA in the 45 Long Colt with the 45-70 in the Rolling Block design.

[@dustinewing7974]

Very cool footage thanks

[@stevehogan8829]

Wow, no information at all. No Model, no specs, no actual comments... no quantification.... completely worthless vid.

[@Thekilleroftanks]

its almost like classified weapon details are, ironically classified.

[@sonnyowens3606]

sig sauer m17 is what they are

[@gstylez0107]

Thekilleroftanks Classified? It's a standard handgun, there's absolutely nothing classified about it..

[@nela04]

Basicly sig 320 modular platform

[@davidsteele2198]

Thekilleroftanks its a mass produced sidearm nothing special

[@erhachogs1]

They need some serious handgun training.

[@billy19461]

They need Jerry !

[@andrewgonzalez4230]

I'm sure it wont be long before the enemy gets some for free.

[@edstrohmeier7494]

Update they just got boxes and boxes of them in Afganastan

[@andrewgonzalez4230]

@@edstrohmeier7494 I had a feeling.

[@recon1stbat]

It's okay tho cause it's one of the biggest POS ever issued

[@ethanweeter2732]

@@edstrohmeier7494 Yeah, but those were men we trained. Think it shows no matter the President, the military has its issues. Why we need to get better soldiers in, versus just giving them more ammo.

[@eric09laura]

I am a Veteran, 82nd Airborne. I just purchased the p320 m17. I cant wait to put it to work.

[@michaelrush222]

5:53 poor muzzle awareness hopefully it never misfires when the slide slams forward

[@tommyhurtado4725]

That Sgt should get demoted

[@jmsmeier1113]

I don’t think there’s been a semi auto loader made in the last 50 years that doesn’t have some sort of hammer block to safeguard against that.

[@shane99ca]

@@jmsmeier1113 Slam fires are still possible if the primer stands proud from the case.

[@donaldcooper4330]

How can these guys have an opinion on how the Guns operate, they dont even know how to grip a firearm

[@zacharyrollick6169]

Yeah I was surprised when my brother cam home from boot camp with a marksman rating on the rifle, but never bothered to teach him how to use a pistol. He couldn't get through two rounds on my Ruger P95 without a malfunction.

[@hersheyskwertz9315]

The military really does have piss poor self discipline. Military should be uniform and the instructors just let a lot of poor form slide by.

[@gpnatale]

Agree.

[@eduardolimaargimon5499]

Guys, infantry wont teach guys to shoot pistol, is really un used by regular infantry. Even Special forces don't have that much training with them, they are useless for 90% of the operations they face. You will start seeing a major emphasis on handgun manipulation when you are in a Tier 1 unit or a Counter Terrorism unit. They will have all sorts of modern grip and techniques in using them and will be really proficient, but otherwise...It will be like this.

[@GregSmith-ne7mw]

😂😂😂😂, so true.

[@dokeefe4403]

Holy crap! You need to send these guys to basic handgun shooting school. Right hand shooter , left eye dominate wondering why he’s not hitting shit

[@rickbonnellranger2759]

As a Drill Sgt for the MP's, Drill of the Year 81/82, Right hand and left eye is the hardest less than 1% of troops are like this pistol is even worse. Anyway that is my two cents worth I did win a case of beer because they bet me I could not get her zeroed in 9 rounds because they write with one hand THEY (DUM ASS PVTS) will also follow that rule JUST ask them they will screw it up 99 times of a hundred

[@crawford323]

I expect most reactions will be pointed towards a polymer lower vs the heavier full metal guns. I Purchased one before the Sig was awarded the contract and my gun still has the original trigger. I made my purchase because of it’s modularity with grips and the ability to change calibers. I do wish that ability included the 45 ACP but the difference in shell size met with ejection issues which cannot be solved in the smaller frame. At least so I understand. It is my best shooting 9mm.

[@WarInHD]

4:03 the mf is shaking like crazy and flinching everytime he pulls the trigger 😂

[@dontneedtoknow5836]

6:00 on. Soldier keeps forgetting his main safety. Major malfunction in the making.

[@crackshot4888]

Thought I was the only one who noticed lol

[@joebech9721]

Also he was right handed, left eye dominant. His grip looked more like a scene from a 70's movie

[@joebech9721]

Same guy at 3:30 on

[@michaelanderson1859]

My friends 18 year old daughter did better with my Glock 22 .40 SW. Only her third time ever at range and her previous times were with.380 and 9mm.

[@rustythebailiff9785]

Bad idea to film to such sloppy handgun safety and training.

[@berettaxd7566]

Thats the army as a whole.

[@daniels1263]

TDF PFC great to know that the USA is going to shit

[@harrisn3693]

II PSYCHO II guess we can be the next lords of war by selling em just like Nicolas cage did in Lord of war 🙂

[@76MUTiger]

There was virtually ZERO COMMENTS by soldiers of what they think of the new hand gun. And they were very poor at techniques for handling the weapon and safety. I just finished a civilian class on same and can tell you we had much better instruction. Get it together, Army!

[@robertstotesbury8005]

Damn, I wonder if the military has ever heard about speed loaders like the UpLulla?

[@Kevins773]

Ha! Was thinking the same thing.

[@dobiedude7479]

“Shiny new pistols”. Shouldn’t they be non reflective aka flat finish?

[@TFfolkes]

Dobie Dude sit down

[@mcmaster_vlogs9405]

They should have a matte finish so they don’t give off an IR signature and the holster should have a Cordura wrap for the same reason

[@derryk1]

These are prototypes on the test range, actual field issue will vary in appearance..... dammmm people...?!?

[@captainjack8823]

I was thinking the same exact thing!

[@alexserdeliuc8782]

In the hands of someone that can train extensively, SIG M18 can be effective, despite the absurd muzzle jump...The people in this clip will never fire it enough to become combat effective with it. The vast majority of people that will carry it, will probably put less than 200 rounds trough it in a whole year. It is not a bad pistol. It is a demanding pistol that necessitates extensive training, something US military does not offer unless you are part of the elite.

[@igotworms]

The military version is the full size M17.

[@crawdadlando4053]

Funny pistols jump when firing, didn’t experience any excessive recoil for an average 9mm. One question I have for ya. Does your AR bruise your shoulder?

[@alexserdeliuc8782]

@@crawdadlando4053 In my active duty days, carried the M9 and M16. Do not recall any bruises from M16. The new AR platforms seem even more forgiving.

[@brianleay2832]

I feel so good about my skills now. 😂

[@jjay537]

I got mine last year (2020) after announcement. Love it long time. Considering options for my person M18: light-laser (green), ed dot optic, maybe better front sight..

[@JB-dv7ew]

me love you long time

[@Riverboat374]

Looks like handgun training in the Army hasn't gotten any better in the last 30 years.

[@tonyv8925]

lol...slide is locked back, magazine is empty and soldier keeps yanking on trigger...heheheh

[@largol33t1]

It can happen. I've sometimes focused so much on sight picture that I don't realize my gun was locked open. If your sights are lined up, you might not immediately notice the position of the slide.

[@linokleinmeuleman5233]

So called trained !

[@ronwilliams266]

That's a good thing for the 101st .I spent 4 years with the 101st and hard charging . C/1-503rd Inf.

[@Agentmaine1991]

Bro what’s with the loose grip on the gun?! Tighten up like you’re taught to. I’m so glad my shooting skills have improved

[@davidrpriest]

I saw better gun handling, grip, trigger control and marksmanship at my concealed carry class. These guys are supposed to airborne - some of the best in the world. The pistol training in the Army must be terrible.

[@justraidyn5770]

They are not airborne. Also only officers carry handguns in garrison (only in field too) and MP's, otherwise mostly everyone has little to no training with handguns.

[@justraidyn5770]

@Marius Pretorius a lot of violent encounters in combat zones are in urban areas where convoys are rolling. Airborne units also use mechanization we arent gonna jump everywhere. Hasnt been a combat jump since rangers took an airfield more than a decade ago. Also 80% of the time is officers only who carry handguns.

[@_gungrave_6802]

I guess you miss the 10 or so years the US was involved with wars in the middle east...

[@justraidyn5770]

@Marius Pretorius Combat Jumps have too high of a death rate as shown in ww2 so we do not do them anymore.

[@justraidyn5770]

@Jessie H oh god, one of THOSE marines

[@megamus9744]

So much wrong with grips, reloading, even safety checks.....Ugh. So is that how the Army teaches soldiers to grip a handgun? Wow

[@davidrpriest]

I don't see any method at all.......Capt. Willard - Apocalypse Now

[@unknownerror3568]

Dude that's kind of why there in the army not the navy seals

[@neil8204]

I remember bringing in the 9 mil Beretta back in the 80s and that was a real big thing back then

[@charlesg5085]

When i was in the black ops special forces they issued a 5 shot, single action revolver 22 long rifle handgun.

[@mattlord2906]

Of course they will like it if they never held another pistol before

[@rightwinggunnut1]

Matt Lord exactly.....exactly. fkn poor ass pistol skills and movie pose stances.. awful

[@jonathan2416]

Exactly

[@colepederson544]

Anyone else see the guy point the muzzle of the gun at someone else's head while reloading?

[@331StrokedGT]

I guess the line instructor missed that one.. Poor weapon handling. UNSAT ... lol

[@gunsrus777]

Agreed! They are not experts and some of them probably is the first time shooting a handgun. But dose soldiers are our young daughters and sons learning how to fight and defend the constitution and our American way of life. So give them a chance. Come on from pencil and notebooks to pistols.

[@noahhernandez3172]

Maybe someone could teach our soldiers some basic firearms safety and weapons handling/manipulations before we drop millions on new guns....

[@noahhernandez3172]

Hans miller oh my bad, didn't realize muzzle sweeping your entire squad on the firing line and not knowing how to grip a pistol properly was "the real deal" these day.

[@xbraac]

Noah Hernandez Eh, who cares. New guns please.

[@TConer-ft7no]

Hans miller What the hell does that mean ? Is the real deal pussy ass tea cup and saucer grips? Really? Limp wristing is the real deal ? Then the military ought to rethink their real deal training programs. That one sucks.

[@josecunha731]

If this is the real deal, we are fucked.

[@johnparker2419]

Noah Hernandez I

[@1x_rj_x1]

4:03 Made it look like it was his first time firing a gun.

[@davidschaadt3460]

Yes a lot of them looked like it was their first time shooting .

[@johnshipleyjr614]

Well you should have stuck it out and picked up the Beretta m9a3.

[@k5laman]

2:00 was all I could stand of this computer voice & from what I saw in the comments, I'm glad I stopped when I did!

[@randyismael2950]

How hard is it to get someone to speak for the video instead of using a robotic voice?

[@krissyramsey3934]

AI taking over the planet

[@johnnygeejr500]

it noticed it too, some leg non-talker quiff......................... all the way ! abrn !

[@kaptkrunchfpv]

I hope the training has gotten better by now. These guys should be able to run anything.

[@MikeSmithInFL]

wow, really great audio there.

[@scotscotty8075]

Handguns are a secondary weapon and play a minor role in combat, the 1911A1 fit that description well and is good enough for me.

[@bogey2230]

Waste of tax payer money. Three tours in the Middle East and I've never pulled my side arm nor has anyone else in the platoon

[@loboguardian7875]

bogey2230 better safe than sorry

[@davidgutknecht5814]

Tom Gandy You can bet your life on it.

[@robthewaywardwoodworker9956]

Unlimited ammo and someone to load my mags... it's like paradise!

[@robthewaywardwoodworker9956]

LMAO!

[@kballs94]

Sure, clip, that's right

[@granddukeofmecklenburg]

@oliverthecat666 anyone got a CLIP for my M16a4? I need a magazine for my M1 Garand, and Lee-Enfield

[@SouthOfSanity79]

Sig Sauer is an amazing company. And I'm proud to say that they're pretty much right in my backyard. I'm less than 30 minutes away from the factory where all Sig Sauer pistols and rifles are manufactured and the 6-hour academy. I'm glad to see that the military is using such a high quality weapon. I have an AR-15 manufactured by sig. It's one of the if not the absolute best quality weapon I've ever fired.

[@SouthOfSanity79]

@Chuck Rock my voice to text.. I swear my phone is deaf. But yes that's exactly what it did.

[@SouthOfSanity79]

@Chuck Rock oh I'm not going to change it. Some people will see it and wonder some people will see it and think I'm an idiot and that's fine. Either way I find it humorous. You should see what very very long texts to friends look like sometimes. If I don't proofread it incorrect it.. more often than not they question part of it and ask me if I'm feeling okay or if I'm under the influence of something.🤷😂

[@jasonmanahan6188]

Was waiting for that one soldier to turn around and shout out that quote from Robocop... "I LIKE IT!"

[@edl617]

My son was an MP when he was in. He told me that the MP’s did a heck of a lot more pistol practice than a regular infantry soldier. I have a P320 no external safety

[@rtaggs8178]

Infantry are not normally issued sidearms. Senior Enlisted and Commissioned Officers get them mainly and machine gunners. Normal rifleman like myself did not get near handguns.

[@airleclair]

I remember qualifying with the then new, M92A side arm. Glad our guys are finally getting a new weapon.

[@Khashmali1]

Are you actually a taxpayer? We already PAID for the M92s! So now, we are supposed to replace them? Why?

[@Vadanovltch]

Davi Khashmal Khashmal they are not powerful enough, and i’ve heard stories of some soldiers shooting somebody with a Beretta five times and they kept coming. And it’s about time the Army gets a new pistol anyway

[@smgs921]

@@Vadanovltch well changing from one 9mm to another 9mm wont change anything on how affective they are at stopping a threat. The reason for the change over is that many of the M92’s are very worn out and have been rebuilt several times over after hundreds of thousands of rounds and changing hands with soldiers repeatedly for the last 30yrs. Just like your car once it has been used so much parts wear out and it eventually will need to be replaced. Plus a striker fire design is far more simple and reliable

[@denisdegamon8224]

@@Vadanovltch I personally have never been a fan of the Beretta M9, but dude both pistols fire the same freaken 9mm round. Yes the 9mm FMJ round just pencils through bad guys, thus a poor stopper. Thats why the 45 ACP shines even in FMJ ball ammo....just delivers more energy with that big, heavy slug far better than any 9mm FMJ rounds.

[@ms.annthrope415]

I received my officers commission via ROTC in 1983. During ROTC in Fort Knox I got exactly 5 rounds to familiarize us with the pistol. The attitude is by the time we have to draw our pistols, everytbing is down. No M16, no M60s, no MA Deuce. Nuttin. Just make some noise to keep their heads down and run. But I first learned to love the 1911. My first personal pistol was a cheap POS, a used AMT Hardballer jammamatic. Then I later was able to afford better 1911s and now 40 years later I still love the 1911. I could now afford 2 Les Baers and 1 Ed Brown Special Forces 1911 and learned much on gun handling. Seeing the way these 101st Airborne shoot, I am concerned about their pistol proficiency. However, the old attitude still applies. By the time they have to draw it, everything is down. Cap off a few rounds and run.

[@barryallender8694]

Sig-Sauer is an amazing manufacturer. Our Police Dept bought Sigs. I was a Sig Armorer.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

Don't drop a Sig if there's a round in the chamber, though.

[@Asidebar]

I would not carry that Sig.

[@raymondbritain6713]

Watching this video just plain made my hands hurt from way these children are holding their weapons

[@garretthegun4982]

Not a bad pistol for someone who has little to no prior history with small arms. Personally I think they feel awkwardly top heavy with a high bore axis.

[@bananacake7083]

The soldier sweeping the line was unbelievable. There might be a misconception that soldiers are experts in shooting their weapons. From my experience, they are given a quick class, then told to qualify. There is no time to get familiar with the weapon and practice. Most civilians who have gone to the range a few time have more practice, and done at their own learning pace. These soldiers might have qualified in basic, then never touched a pistol for the next two years. What the soldier likes is immaterial. The soldier gets what is issued to them, regardless if it is great or a piece of crap. Modularity/ swapping parts, is not something that the military likes. They like uniformity. At least they had good holsters. We had to use some p.o.s. leather holsters, that were literally held together with tape. Give me a thumbs up if you had to use one of those. That was a long time ago, though, so maybe things have changed. I was a tanker. We had to always have to carry around 9m. We hated them, because we always had to maintain hold of them, clean them, but never shot them.

[@alanpennick1764]

Someone should show some of these people stance and how to hold a handgun properly I was surprised to see this in our military

[@knightatthecrossroads222]

It seems that the problems are not in pistols at all.

[@10MinutestoRouletteFortune]

I was part of the first cycle of MCSF Marines that got the M-9. I'm proud of my 2 rounds center mass and one to the forehead in a little over 2 seconds from the holster. Yeah, that will give you an idea how old I am. Why the hell don't they train from the holster?? These boys need to learn how to double tap and fast!! GEEZ!! NOT IMPRESSED with their clear lack of confidence while handling that weapon. And why the hell doesn't the Marines get new equipment first. I was sick of all of their hand me down crap. There is a reason why one of our mottos was improvise, adapt and overcome.

[@Token_Black_Guy]

Mike P no lol marines get hand me downs

[@chinoyomaji288]

So why are they issued the m27 new to our marines service rifle?

[@therealfinn1839]

hollow points are not allowed under the Geneva Convention

[@therealfinn1839]

Police can use them

[@mackcarson6729]

I was in English Army in the late '50's. we were still issued with the SMLE .303. Then the Mk 4's. and the Stirling Sub Machine gun. (Water pipe. spring, and nail. Safest place my corporal told me to stand. was directly in front of it. It was designed to Spray lead in an area. .We were good at 300. 600, and 900yds. everywhere in between was pot luck. We used to go backwards at times to get right distance to hit targets.

[@mikejenkins3332]

Looks like they got better w the trigger. The one I had. Had a long pull on it made it easy to get off target

[@RandomGuy9]

Do they look into the muzzle to see if a round is chambered?

[@brandysmith3977]

My gripe is on the range control guys who didn't scream "CEASE FIRE" when the soldier pointed the handgun down the firing line.

[@stevemoore5053]

I've been a RSO for over 12 years now, you sir are correct !!!

[@rodneyflynn4619]

Coming from a combat engineer, I saw the samething!

[@49525Bob]

@@stevemoore5053 At Camp Perry, a senior NCO next to me did that with his M-16. The RSO physically jumped on him securing the rifle to the ground. We were an MI unit. That NCO's only overseas stationing had been to Germany. I doubt he'd fired a weapon after BCT.

[@bluhammer06]

Having served as an Army MP for six years in the early seventies while in Europe and the US, I carried a 45 nearly every shift. That was over 45 years ago. We would maybe get to qualify/practice twice a year! This video looked pretty typical of guys that get that much real training.

[@sergeantmasson3669]

bluhammer06, back then, you carried a Colt M1911 as I did during my two tours in Vietnam.

[@georgehays4900]

Seeing that one dude putting a new magazine in while muzzle flashing the guy to his left was a little cringy.

[@NILGRU]

The standards for range work seem to have declined at the 101st. Some of these soldiers looked as if it were their first time holding a sidearm, let alone having fired one.

[@leethomas556]

Watching these Joe's shoot was a ding to my confidence in their abilities to fight

[@seabee277]

Lee Holmes that's what happens when you lower the standards to make everyone happy

[@kballs94]

101st is pog shit now, from badass invasion force, to pog retards

[@jodyfelland2162]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who spotted all the noob mistakes.

[@cjohn3937]

That's why they didn't go with glock,it sounds to much like cock and they didn't want any confusion about what they ment about handling your weapon!

[@davidb8831]

raj1966 look how diverse it is now. When you lower your standards this is what happens.

[@natas0733]

The handgun skills i just saw from my old unit (well division anyway) made me wanna dig my eyes out with a spoon.

[@jamesdeihl1845]

I liked the m 1911 colt 45 myself! Carried one 5 years.

[@gunnersecuador7515]

As a retired service member and Range Master for more than 17 years. All I can say is, "Wow". Even sailors qual with both pistol and rifle!?

[@macten11]

In 1977 we shot 22 cal rifles in boot camp. In A school we qualified with M14 rifles. At no time were we trained or qualified with any handgun. (AT2 with VAW-124)

[@peternorton5648]

Joined in the mid eighties. Used the M16a1 and qualified with it. As a mechanic by MOS I got out in ‘91 and only fired M60 once and that was it. We never qualified with pistols.

[@byronrudrow7938]

I’ll just keep my Colt 1911 thank you.

[@johncitizen3927]

yup, me too. colt series 80

[@johncitizen3927]

.40 cal, watered down .45....

[@jackburnell3209]

Amen to that. One of my Colt 1911s was made in 1932 and my International Harvester 1911 made in 1943. Both still working fine. In another 100 years theyll still be running when those plastic guns have decomposed into dust. And nothing can stand a hit with Hornady 230g XTP +P.

[@captainjack8823]

@Mike Siegel I have three Colt 20 round mags that function flawlessly for mine. You got 59 brothers?

[@neighborhoodhero0077]

@@johncitizen3927 you clearly don't know anything about .40.........it's faster and has more stopping power than a .45 statically

[@katrinaferrise2163]

That moment when you realize Civilian shooters have more gun safety and training...

[@adamforbes1019]

It's their first time. 0:54

[@dennisrockwell7834]

thanks to the NRA

[@mikechappell4919]

There are some who are gonna be pissed about it, but it’s true! Most civilian training and ability is light years ahead! Watch the muzzle flip and grip in this video. I think our men and women deserve better training on combat grip and recoil control! Better training will make them more accurate and better survival chances!

[@adamforbes1019]

@@mikechappell4919 For pistols, you are correct. When it comes to shooting rifles, I don't think any civilian training comes close to military training. Atleast when it comes to the Marine Corp's combat arms units. The problem is that the U.S. military does not respect the handgun. It's considered a weapon of last resort, and not really fit as a war weapon. The military would rather its troops salvage another rifle than resort to using a pistol. The military is going even further to try to remove more pistols from the ranks, and replace them with M4s. The pistol in today's military is mostly just there as a matter of status or ceremony, unless you are an MP or some other field that really needs them. But that's more a matter of U.S. base law enforcement. And the Marines are getting rid of their MPs all together.

[@happysud]

@Eric Hawes they do train plenty, that reply was meant for an entirely different comment. Thanks.

[@lorenblueearth5657]

One soldier arching his back while he was shooting I now know I’m not the only one who did that

[@daveblevins3322]

The "new" Army is definitely in need of CS. (common sense)

[@OrthodoxAtheist]

That's the drawback with preying on high school grads and young impressionable minds - they have much to learn, including common sense. But if you go for the ones with common sense already, they don't want to sign up, obviously.

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338]

@@OrthodoxAtheist wow, it’s almost like the military has earned itself a track record of taking advantage of it’s soldiers for questionable goals by high government elites

[@joelwilliams308]

Maybe this is Gen. Milley’s woke Army on the range. Muzzle disciple is terrible as is grip. Target aquisition was like watching maple syrup flow in a Vermont winter. Most combat shooters say the only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way to a long gun so maybe pistols don’t get attention. May be a budget issue and definitely a training issue. Safety training, shooting training and a lot of rounds down range is the answer.

[@shane99ca]

@@OrthodoxAtheist Excuse ME. In my experience, veterans have more common sense than most of the folks they're protecting. Because they need it more.