You know you’ve hit peak when 75% of your review about an Intel processor is complaining about AMD.
@arta733 жыл бұрын
Sounds exactly as that few months old intel presentation, doesnt it?
@mozarteanchaos3 жыл бұрын
@John Jenkins bud, this comment section is specifically talking about an open intel fanboy who froths at the mouth when AMD do anything. whether or not AMD fans do the same thing isn't relevant, because they're not the subject of discussion. talking about one person doing dumb shit on a certain side of the debate doesn't mean that they excuse people doing dumb shit on the other side of the debate; it just means that only one of those is what's currently relevant.
3 жыл бұрын
@John Jenkins you understand that you're the snowflake in this situation? Also I use Intel.
@Gift0r3 жыл бұрын
Not even...they are complaining about the people who review both.
@Gift0r3 жыл бұрын
@John Jenkins Yeah but they have the numbers to back that up.
@ScarfKat3 жыл бұрын
i love how that last review isn't even a review. they spent more than half of it insulting other reviewers lol
@youtuberobbedmeofmyname3 жыл бұрын
It is right on one thing, Intel's marketing is very lame. And it is that way because their products are lame.
@introvertplays61623 жыл бұрын
@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname But the funny thing is...AMDs marketing is not good either XD Calling it world class made me burst out a laugh! XD
@jimtekkit3 жыл бұрын
They literally say that Rocket Lake is 10% faster because their own benchmark says so. These guys are jerk-offs.
@monad_tcp3 жыл бұрын
@@introvertplays6162 AMD marketing is so bad, its a joke. Even them they are on top of wish lists for gamers, because they really care about performance and they notice better products. It would be even more funny if all of this was Intel paying them to write, so desperate, Intel is so incompetent
@caseymurray77223 жыл бұрын
@@introvertplays6162 I was thinking the same thing like AMDs marketing is kinda ass. I literally fell asleep during their CES announcement. Plus the regular consumer (non-gamer, just needs a desktop) has never even heard of AMD.
@TheWOOFinator13373 жыл бұрын
I like how they've just devolved from reviewing it to just writing bad fanfics for Intel.
@MrSafer3 жыл бұрын
Look at the wording they use, seems familiar doesn't it. Sounds almost... political.
@chrisfortune18133 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say they evolved to writing "bad" fanfics, I would offer they have always been bad as it is easy to write good fanfic for a Mary Sue which is what Intel effectively were prior to Ryzen.
@Ruvaakdein3 жыл бұрын
I think you meant "evolved"
@chrisfortune18133 жыл бұрын
@@Ruvaakdein Get you point but tbh it kind of works both ways too
@jjoke50143 жыл бұрын
The 11900k review is like their Twilight. Whoops hadn’t finished the video before commenting, turns out I’m not saying anything new :/
@WhiffenC Жыл бұрын
But what you've missed is that AMD has 1331 pins, Intel only has 1200. That means that per pin, Intel CPUs are actually faster and more efficient. So you would actually have to either take 9.8% off of any AMD performance benchmark or add 9.8% to any intel cpu compared to AMD. - UserBenchmarks
@evilpotatoman9436 Жыл бұрын
😂
@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it Жыл бұрын
you know nothing about pc. go away
@negi9076 Жыл бұрын
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2itLook at the bottom of that comment
@r0e40410 ай бұрын
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@neetcoomer10 ай бұрын
Scott Steiner maths right here
@Hardwareunboxed3 жыл бұрын
MemeBenchmark is a great source of tech humour. Great video by the way, it was a lot of fun and covered their shenanigans really well :)
@TheRadElk3 жыл бұрын
Not surprised to see Harbor Unboxed in the comments (or in the video for that matter) after watching your video(s) on the matter. I ship it.
@sannidhyabalkote95363 жыл бұрын
@@TheRadElk oh shut up We all know it's hammer unboxed
@dm1i3 жыл бұрын
@@sannidhyabalkote9536 No way, it's hammer on box!
@Kyle-cx9te3 жыл бұрын
They literally compare you to Eskimos selling ice which is just......🤦♂️
@SEOPOFFICIAL3 жыл бұрын
should I read this comment in Steve's voice? or Tim's?
"The biggest joke that I can think of" SAVAGE, but true
@SemperFine3 жыл бұрын
Papi Santiago :)
@squidwardtelecommunication36223 жыл бұрын
Oh hey Santi my man
@mikethespike0563 жыл бұрын
Hey!
@rohanthezeroth Жыл бұрын
5:01 - userbenchmark 8:15 - userbarkmench 8:44 - muserbenchark 10:29- busermenchark 11:18 - distorted pronunciation of userbenchmark 12:12 - heavily distorted pronunciation of userbenchmark gotta love the effect abuser bismarck has on people that review or criticize it
@KaiZane Жыл бұрын
thank you. I wasn't sure if I was going nuts or not lol
@sky_king1072 Жыл бұрын
Lol I was listening on 2 times speed and had to double check!!
@baguette4177 Жыл бұрын
I'm laughing way too hard at this. Fucksake. Hahahahahahhaha
@NodokaHanamura Жыл бұрын
I wonder what their reviews of NVIDIA GPUs are like now even when Intel ARC is currently being curbstomped by both.
@NadirAgha Жыл бұрын
Next: Benedict Cumberbatch
@AshtonM993 жыл бұрын
AMD user: *breathes* UserBenchmark: THE ATTEMPT ON MY LIFE HAS LEFT ME SCARRED AND DEFORMED, BUT I ASSURE YOU, MY RESOLVE HAS NEVER BEEN STRONGER
@forzaelite12483 жыл бұрын
_Proceeds to create the first Intel-Galactic Empire_ 😂
@tengkualiff3 жыл бұрын
Dew it
@sulphurous26563 жыл бұрын
LOL
@LNRMusicCuration3 жыл бұрын
@@forzaelite1248 that is one of the best puns I've read in a while
@konstagold3 жыл бұрын
@@forzaelite1248 Fantastic pun!
@Kevin-xw1eo3 жыл бұрын
I like how that "review" at the end only has 1 line about the actual CPU being reviewed lol.
@foulplay66663 жыл бұрын
You have a lot of likes, and KZbin doesn't notify you so I thought I would. You're welcome homeskillet
@punkst3r3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, you're right, 90% of the review is just making up preposterous bullshit to discredit other reviewers LOL
@HappyBeezerStudios3 жыл бұрын
They aren't reviewing CPUs, they are substituting as Intels unpaid marketing department. Like complaining that the Ryzen comes with a cooler, when you'd want one for oc'ing, without mentioning that the same goes for Intel. And cherry picked benchmarks away from reality and from games that nobody plays? I didn't know that GTA V, Flight Sim 2020, Red Dead 2, Far Cry 5, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Watch Dogs Legion are obscure niche titles that only a very few reviewers ever run. And those were only the games tested in the first reviews I could find by simply googling for ryzen review.
@pazz12393 жыл бұрын
That was a review? Oof
@eddiemate3 жыл бұрын
Right? All I got out of that "review" was that the 11900k is the fastest of the 11th gen series. Everything else was "AMD is paying people to lie about Intel. They’re doing their reviews wrong *on purpose*”
@officereso3 жыл бұрын
I wanna thank you for this, im quite frankly ashamed that I was unaware about Userbenchmarks biasness towards Intel over AMD. To think that I have been using it to influence my buying decisions, AND have told other people to also use it for theirs, ashames me. If you hadnt made this i wouldve keept doing this. Thank you.
@myrsta57643 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I feel like a proper idiot for not questioning their garbage sooner. Real shame they're typically the top result for people looking to compare CPUs before buying. I think they really skewed my perception of AMD's stuff.
@greenbin30283 жыл бұрын
bruh for the longest time I thought userbenchmark is just a benchmarking website
@toad32223 жыл бұрын
@@greenbin3028 same, I never looked at the reviews. Just the numbers
@cmdr_krabov3 жыл бұрын
I trusted them too, until they claimed that my 3600x is much worse than some old i5. It was that moment I started feeling something is not right, but I didn't know it's THAT bad
@ivankopernika5363 жыл бұрын
yup, same. i personally stopped using that site when i saw that they rated the i5-2500k as "BETTER" than a 3600. that, was when i realized something was very wrong
@davidredsox Жыл бұрын
Wow I had no idea. I assumed a site called UserBenchmark was using user data to sort PC parts. I was really confused why AMD's CPUs were so far down the list when looking at their rankings, and now I know why. Thanks 1 year ago Philip!
@lilspeth_ Жыл бұрын
until this video i thought all their scores were some sort of compiled average of test scores from users benchmarking with those components
@Ligmaballin Жыл бұрын
@@lilspeth_ same, i feel dumb now
@carlsojos Жыл бұрын
...Dude, before I clicked on the video I saw the title and thought it was going to be a site about IT people rating users.
@ghost_stars2307 Жыл бұрын
I was also confused why the 3950x was praised everywhere but had poor result on UserBenchmark. They seem to be doing the same with GPUs anything that is not nvidia is hot garbage (the 40 series gets a 9x score while everything else is at around the 50 mark) granted the 40 series is a beast of a gpu but it's overkill for most people.
@lildad559 Жыл бұрын
I legit used the website to upgrade my pc like a year and a half ago i wish i had this video then lmao
@penderrin16373 жыл бұрын
This whole marketing argument is made funnier by the fact that in Q3 of 2020 intel spent about three times as much as AMD did on marketing
@LisyaMyata3 жыл бұрын
@Ruxis256 I think they have a couple guys working that just send their products to reviewers then take a nap.
@Wittymations3 жыл бұрын
@@LisyaMyata dream job right there
@caramelldansen22043 жыл бұрын
as an AMD user, I am well aware of the "Intel Inside" marketing slogan - I couldn't tell you AMD's marketing slogan to save my life.
@konstagold3 жыл бұрын
@@caramelldansen2204 Does AMD even have a slogan?
@MasterChiefAgent0073 жыл бұрын
@@konstagold Gamers Ryzen Up
@PownedXboxKid3 жыл бұрын
The more you say "UserBenchmark" the larger the stroke you'll get.
@XxNightmare128xX3 жыл бұрын
I always wondered why my head tingled when I visited the site. It seems it was my brain cells killing themselves to avoid giving me cancer. Noble little ones.
@jvccr75333 жыл бұрын
@@XxNightmare128xX idk if brain damage is preferable
Tech Jesus: "It's a waste of Sand." UserBenchmark: "IT'S BEAUTIFUL... THEY SHOULD HAVE SENT A POET!"
@JE-zl6uy3 жыл бұрын
@IKSDE XD AMDs only short coming is they don't have enough chips.
@JE-zl6uy3 жыл бұрын
@IKSDE XD also... When does Steve have ego? Everything he does he backs up with extensive testing.
@xWood40003 жыл бұрын
@IKSDE XD Can you please elaborate your criticism? It is hard to take someone seriously who only answers LMFAO
@xWood40003 жыл бұрын
@IKSDE XD I agree that the overclocks are pretty low, but I believe it's because of true stability, they try to keep the rippling to a minimum while normally people overclock a bit higher than what is technically stable. I'm not 100% though. I flat out disagree on the Nvidia thing, they critique Nvidia a lot judging by all the videos I have seen. I don't know enough the RA Tech thing but it's weird that he removed his tweet without responding and his attitude works well when he is right and companies listen to him because of it, but his attitude can be a bit problematic when he is wrong because sarcasm doesn't work well when you're wrong
@xWood40003 жыл бұрын
@IKSDE XD Wait what? I mean high voltage isn't a big concern nowadays with cpus but if true it's not very good to show as an example I will try to pay attention to the critique and compare, but most of his criticism is fair against both companies. He also really likes AMD CPUs and has since first gen ryzen so he probably doesn't have any problems with the company itself True, he doesn't seem alot about CPU architecture, even though I know much less
@mushrpg375 Жыл бұрын
That final review on the 11900k is reads like a manifesto
@iawindowss4061 Жыл бұрын
It feels like some weird paranoid manifesto. The detachment from reality can only be described by insanity.
@Rhino123freak3 жыл бұрын
When Usermerkbanch said "paid marketing" and "smear campaigns" they were projecting & gaslighting harder than a toxic ex.
@treefish26663 жыл бұрын
@@MrViki60 stereotypically its usually the males projecting and gaslighting so this comment makes no sense
@Delver6393 жыл бұрын
I think you misspelled, it is UberFakemarks
@MrViki603 жыл бұрын
@Taikun Igarashi stfu incel
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart3 жыл бұрын
@@MrViki60 cringe
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart3 жыл бұрын
@Qimodis Yeah, in this case it's more a question of difamation. Gaslighting is more personal and involves consistently undermining one's self-esteem and self-reliance.
@luthfikun66013 жыл бұрын
I always knew that the site is a joke, but I never knew that it was this much of a joke.
@belland_dog82353 жыл бұрын
A joke is funny. So yeah, the first couple of times this site was a joke. Now, it's just pathetic and harmful to new users.
@cmdr_krabov3 жыл бұрын
I wanted to compare my 3600x with friends old i5 and it somehow showed that his old i5 is 2x time better. I was so confused by this and thought that it might be an error. It appears it's not an error but they are deliberately manipulating the scores. Nice haha
@momi1933 жыл бұрын
What about their GPU Reviews?
@nyomanari39943 жыл бұрын
@@momi193 I don’t think that they manipulate the scores in anyway but they definitely don’t like AMD’s GPU and trying to make a bad name for them
@austins87303 жыл бұрын
I thought the last one was a fake until i looked it up
@matamanthemaster3 жыл бұрын
I unironically used Under Benchmark a lot. I never read the descriptions as I never had need to. I had assumed all their information was crowdsourced, and compared real numbers between two processors. Never had I used their leaderboards, or I would have noticed the blue focus. I feel rather dumb that I'd never picked up on how c*** they are. Thanks Philip.
@professionalsocialoutcast59263 жыл бұрын
Do you know any actually crowdsourced comparison sites?
@just_gill61133 жыл бұрын
@@professionalsocialoutcast5926 eventhubs
@jensen16463 жыл бұрын
I only use UserBenchmark to compare my PC to itself after making a change (GPU overclock, etc.)
@tovahwulf2 жыл бұрын
Same here. Just got sent this video and feel absolutely betrayed after thinking their CPU comparison was correct.
@BeavisGoFIREFIREFIRE2 жыл бұрын
@@jensen1646 It's also okay for basic troubleshooting. Whomever made the benchmark is talented, its just how that information is used and manipulated that is the problem.
@samu_snack Жыл бұрын
I feel like a fool now... I've used it many times just to make a "quick check" on CPUs and GPUs and since I only read the big percentage at the top I never noticed the hatred and discrepancies at the core of the website. I always thought that since it's called "user benchmarks" and since users can download their application and insert their performance data in the charts it was quite good at making an average of the results, giving a short summary to condense all the information they had, but of course that couldn't be farther from reality... Of course I would have never only used this website to make a pc build since I follow many component reviewers on KZbin who I know I can trust, but an "easy and quick" website to directly compare parts was too appealing not to use! Well, now I know how it actually works thanks to you (and thanks to my KZbin recomendations), now I will be a better member of the pc building community!
@MrDMIDOV Жыл бұрын
Yeah well you’re probably not the only one since they pop up as the first few search results on google
@SelfCareCharizard Жыл бұрын
Yep, almost chose them the first time I wanted to make a quick check. Ended up getting 3DMark... which might've been overkill, but at least it's reliable. :)
@ethanwatkins7874 Жыл бұрын
Don’t worry, I’ve been there too. Used this site a fair few times without ever reading the hate at the bottom. Clearly it didn’t work since my machine is actually full AMD but it has definitely caused me to delay my choices in the past and wonder if I was getting the best bang for my buck. However, learning this (and having the machine in hand) makes me feel even more confident in my choices! What’s best is that we recognize what a crap site it is and dissuade others from it for these scummy practices
@delcogoblin Жыл бұрын
Same this is exactly what I used to do. Grant it I also looked up reviews before picking my hardware but I would always glance at this site's percentage scores sometimes. I feel so dumb lol I'm really glad my hardware choice wasn't swayed by them, if only by a very small bit.
@JoeEnderman Жыл бұрын
I made this same mistake too, but I luckily haven't been able to afford a PC, so haven't wasted money in Intel. Besides, I use Linux and looked at AMD because their Linux drivers usually work better.
@gamtax3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: UserBenchmark is owned by The Onion.
@mrmaniac33 жыл бұрын
No, it's far worse. It's owned by Breitbart
@LawrenceTimme3 жыл бұрын
@@mrmaniac3 owned by CNN 😂😂
@andycristea3 жыл бұрын
At least it would have been funny.
@fuzzyquils3 жыл бұрын
Owned by Intel... wouldn't surprise me at all if it was lmao
@EvilTurkeySlices3 жыл бұрын
The onion would at least make it sound more true.
@DiscoBallGaming3 жыл бұрын
You know it's funny when the r/intel and the r/Nvidia subreddits banned userbenchmark, and almost got the r/AMD one to ban them as well
@sodapone3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's the incredulous thing too; of all the hardware subs, r/amd is the only one to not ban them outright
@pantzman3 жыл бұрын
@@sodapone If usershitmark is mentioned a bot will reply with information about them.
@adog31293 жыл бұрын
@@sodapone i'm guessing they think it would look bad on their part to ban a site that criticizes them
@xWood40003 жыл бұрын
@@adog3129 It does make a lot of sense
@ramziakas1513 жыл бұрын
r/hardware has userbenchmark banned aswell I believe
@DeepWeeb3 жыл бұрын
I like how Philip gave up on correctly pronouncing the website's name mid-way through, they really don't deserve more than that lol
@dragonslayer8193 жыл бұрын
I believe it was cause he didn't want the name to be remembered rather forgot and shund
@Mate_Antal_Zoltan3 жыл бұрын
no, it's the exact opposite he went out of his way to pronounce it wrong (Busermenchark, Usermenchbark, Ushfmhfmgfk, etc.)
@randomguydoes29013 жыл бұрын
look at his lenuoveovo vr review
@iaial03 жыл бұрын
Poserbenchmark?
@xDRAGONSHAGGERx3 жыл бұрын
Loserbenchmark
@abigaillilac1370 Жыл бұрын
I mean this sincerely. Could the person writing the reviews on UserBenchmark have something like paranoid schizophrenia? They genuinely seem to think that EVERYONE is conspiring against them and Intel, and that AMD is behind all of it pulling the strings. It must be pretty scary to feel that way, it could explain the hatred. The "blue blubber" line doesn't come across as something written by a person grounded in reality. I remember the site having good info back in the day, so seing the deterioration has been sad. It remindes me of the deterioration of a few very mentally ill people I've known.
@VideogamesAsArt9 ай бұрын
this is a very good point. Honestly, it does seem very fitting to what I know about schizophrenia as well. Sadly, I don't think we will ever know
@333dae3 ай бұрын
It's like a Qanon conspiracy nut but in tech instead
@LTPottenger2 ай бұрын
Spoken like an AMD plant ;)
@abigaillilac13702 ай бұрын
@@LTPottenger I wish I had money from AMD, maybe I wouldn't be under the poverty line right now. 🙃
@stevenarvizu3602 Жыл бұрын
I love how by the end UserBenchmark isn’t even reviewing the Intel CPU’s anymore they’re just writing articles about how everyone else is lying about AMD
@chdreturns Жыл бұрын
At this point AMD could very well have a viable defamation suit against that site.
@mcarpen89 Жыл бұрын
@@chdreturns Streisand effect. If they sue them, they will only draw more attention to the site.
@AaronShenghao Жыл бұрын
That review is only 25 % about the cpu itself 😂
@gorgit Жыл бұрын
Honestly, me not understanding perfectly what more cores actually do or where how many cores could be enough, I would be quite conflicted as to who now tells the truth. I say would be, because its so blatantly obvious since they dont even write sincere reviews anymore and simply hate on amd for marketing, instead of giving an unbiased review of a product. Whoever writes these "reviews" must be certifiably insane. Its just funny how they miss the most important thing in their reviews: an actual review
@stevenarvizu3602 Жыл бұрын
@@gorgit Yeah, it would be totally reasonable for UB to explain how core count is only useful for programs that utilize all the cores, and maybe give some examples of what programs use more cores so certain people know which CPU would be better (for example, creative software often benefits from more cores, but gaming generally uses a fixed amount) but instead they just started writing a review about how bad AMD is lmao
@Tom-1013 жыл бұрын
I love the way in the first half of the 11900k review they start off with a bunch of numbers that are basically techno-jargon to make it seem good and then complain about exactly that in the second half
@MidoriMushrooms3 жыл бұрын
brand loyalty is a hell of a drug
@Keaza.3 жыл бұрын
I admit I'm one of those. I've used the once holy nvidia and intel combo since 2005 and i will probably still use it in the foreseeable future, my past experiences with AMD has scarred me when the company didn't know what they were doing, now however AMD seems to be undefeated.
@oz23623 жыл бұрын
@@Keaza. and wayyyy better value
@Keaza.3 жыл бұрын
@@oz2362 definitely. There only really is one thing intel still does good and it's server cpu stability, that is the one reasoning for many companies to still use intel on their servers. But aside from that, AMD is king.
@MidoriMushrooms3 жыл бұрын
@@Keaza. similar experiences, friend convinced me to get a Ryzen because my mobo died last year and I NEEDED a new mobo/cpu, it was cheaper to get an AMD, but it's worked fantastically so far. I will totally admit I got over past bad experiences entirely because I was desperate and terrified of losing my stream average waiting on new PC parts though lul.
@The_Man_In_Red3 жыл бұрын
Yep, I was an early Ryzen adopter cause I wanted better multitasking but still good gaming performance without breaking the bank - and I got it. Next time I upgrade I'll go with whatever offers the best performance/$ whether that happens to be Intel at the time or AMD. In the current market it's actually Intel, but that's only due to the hyper inflated pricing on almost every component out there. I'd easily grab a 10600k for $220 + B460 Tomahawk for $200 compared to the overinflated nearly $400 R5 5600X if I were building a system right now. Sure hope that changes in a year or two when DDR5 gets to 3,200Mhz and I'm ready to upgrade. Availability and supply is soooo crap right now for 7nm silicon lol ;/
@TheJacobshapiro Жыл бұрын
It’s a shame because when it first started it was actually pretty decent. The original premise was that individual users could run a canned benchmark, and this would provide a wide spectrum of real-world benchmark results for different components. Back prior to them getting anti-AMD brainworms it was a decent comparison site.
@BRUXXUS3 жыл бұрын
I *actually* had to go check that 11900k review for myself to make sure it wasn't a joke.... it's real. My god.... I think we're witnessing someone having a mental break from reality documented in these reviews.
@gnoxycat3 жыл бұрын
Also "Trump is still the president and is controlling the military."
@kitlith3 жыл бұрын
I had to do the same. That... ugh. well i'm not using that site again.
@AJ-po6up3 жыл бұрын
The guy behind that site is becoming more and more deranged with every new product that comes out, he's literally losing his mind with every AMD processor.
@nibs72523 жыл бұрын
It reads like a North Korean state news article praising the Glorious Leader after he shit his pants during a televised interview. "Glorious Leader can do no wrong; the world is just biased against him! The 'brown streak' on his pants was just Western propaganda! "
@AJ-po6up3 жыл бұрын
@@nibs7252 How dare you! spread those villainous lies, everyone knows that our Glorious Leader does not poop, that's for mere mortals like you and me, after all.. I learned that in the state-sponsored educational system! so it must be true! I think you have been corrupted by the western "fake media" and you need to be re-educated for your own good, I have reported you to the pertinent authorities so expect them soon at your home. Long Live Inte... I mean The Great Leader!
@MrDeepSound3 жыл бұрын
Damn i noticed this shit too... since forever! What a shame, site could be #1 but what a shame mannnn!
@hannanellia3 жыл бұрын
Yeah...
@VeeTHis3 жыл бұрын
Userbenchmark doesn't right these reviews. If you look closely, in most of these it said "[ CPUPro]". Open your eyes.
@matthijsboog6503 жыл бұрын
@@VeeTHis that they use another site as a source doesn't mean its a citation and can't be reworded. I don't know cpupro, but it could definitely still be userbenchmark changing the wording to make it in line with their own opinion.
@madrox19893 жыл бұрын
I am pro CPU competition, and this is just one of the results of competition. Hardware gains have gotten us pretty far, and there's certainly more to go, but the x86_x64 extension instruction set is the real bottleneck here (which has also had some great mileage). As consumers in the PC market, we are thankful to even be able to compare red vs blue workloads because of the mostly shared cross-license x86_x64 instruction set. Should either diverge and embrace a new instruction set, the whole software ecosystem would be gravely disrupted. It would be far worse than the impact to all 13 Mac users who have to switch from Intel to Apple ARM. This interdependency of a shared instruction set and shared software ecosystem has kept them in a gridlock where the only innovations they can pursue are hardware-based iterations. Of course, the OS and Kernel of choice are the secondly most important piece of unlocking greater performance.
@nathansstuff15473 жыл бұрын
@@VeeTHis I'm going to assume that account is their own. There's even a GPUPro account for GPU's. Looking at the site more, a lot of the text has CPUPro, GPUPro, RAMPro, and what not at the end, so definitely the site owners
@terribletimes902 Жыл бұрын
Over a year later, and it has only gotten worse. Their blurb on AMD’s most recent processors is literally just a delusional rant about how AMD controls all media coverage
@omega_6777 Жыл бұрын
Not only that, but they also do it in such an aggresive and unjournalistic, unproffesional tone, to the point where they use words like "Neanderthal" in a fricking product review.
@Not_interestEd- Жыл бұрын
"AMD CONTROLS THE MEDIA!!!" Didn't Intel sponsor you at one point? Quite unfortunate.
@lazerpie101 Жыл бұрын
It's not even AMD specific hardware Although Ryzen 7000 has weaker multi-core, weaker single-core, higher platform costs and higher unit prices AMD have a 3D joker up their sleeve (7800X3D est. 2023). Via “Advanced Marketing” on youtube, forums, reddit, and twitter AMD will demonstrate that their upcoming CPU is the “best in the world” and offer “proof” by way of a small handful of obscure workloads. Games that few people play e.g. (Factorio, SotTR) will be cherry picked, video footage of the gameplay/settings won’t be provided and frame drops will be conveniently ignored. This playbook has easily outsold Intel in recent years but with every overhyped release, consumers lose trust in AMD. Based on social media/press coverage, you would never guess that the combined market share for all of AMD’s Radeon 5000 and 6000 GPUs amongst PC gamers is just 2.12% (Steam stats). Meanwhile Nvidia's RTX 2060 alone accounts for a whopping 5.03%. Largely thanks to marketing incompetence, Intel is existentially motivated to deliver material annual performance improvements. - Intel i9-13900K Since Intel don’t care for long term relationships with PC hardware influencers, for product launches, they often end up sponsoring influencers that are mostly funded by AMD. As a result, Intel rarely get positive marketing coverage beyond launch, and their products remain relatively under priced compared to AMD. - Intel i3-13100F the 12600K is both cheaper and faster than the competition in both single and, notably, multi-core performance. As a result, even AMD's prolific marketing infrastructure (youtube, reddit, forums etc.) will struggle to drive sales, at least until Zen 4 launches (est. late 2022). In the meantime, Intel's i5-12600K is the obvious choice for consumers that do not wish to pay over the odds for almost unparalleled performance in the majority of workloads including gaming. - Intel i5-12600K Consumers that demand value for money, should wait a few more months for the 4060 / 4070 models by which time AMD's 7900 series will also probably be heavily discounted. - NVIDIA RTX 4090 Since PC gamers rarely buy AMD GPUs, Nvidia only have themselves to compete with. AMD continue to burn their credibility with PC gamers. Following a series of over-hyped releases which were heavily promoted on youtube, forums, reddit and twitter, consumers have little interest in the Radeon brand. As time goes on, AMD’s “Advanced Marketing” has a decreasing impact on consumers. Meanwhile, Nvidia remains focused on novel goals such as better graphics (RT/DLSS), frame consistency, game compatibility and driver stability. - NVIDIA RTX 4080 In terms of real world performance, Nvidia’s 3000 series has more or less put AMD’s Radeon group in checkmate. Nonetheless, AMD’s marketers are capable of delivering elaborate BS albeit whilst struggling to keep a straight face. Their marketing infrastructure outsold Intel in the CPU market despite a 15% performance deficit. Without an appropriate social media marketing strategy, Nvidia will probably lose - NVIDIA RTX 3090 and it goes on
@Not_interestEd- Жыл бұрын
@@lazerpie101 yes I read the whole thing. Honestly I feel like whoever is even running the site is just stuck on the ONE sponsorship they had with Intel, and will actively do anything to try and win them back, despite Intel being _very firm_ on the idea of not doing just that for many reasons. That or they're a rambling lunatic- who knows?
@barrettross3772 Жыл бұрын
@@omega_6777 I need to see this, do you have a link to that specific review?
@cpu_1292 Жыл бұрын
regular dr: your heart rate is too high userbenchmark: your effective heart rate is fine. when looking at more important factors, like blood oxygen concetration, you are doing fine. the hospital must be sending their "marketing doctors" to tell you that you are dying from "tachycardia"
@pjavilla10 ай бұрын
Even WebMD doesn't lie to you, it's just overly cautious and tries to cover as many possibilities as possible (hence the joke how it's always cancer). Usermenchbark on the other hand is just straight up taking the piss.
@Cheezy_Bunz9 ай бұрын
Dont forget about the hospitals neanderthal marketing tactics of doing “bloodwork” and checking your family history
@user-lg4le8xr4s9 ай бұрын
You forgot to add the word "neanderthal" at some random point
@SYN7H3T1C49 ай бұрын
regular mechanics: your brakes are not working, better change them UserBenchmark: your "effective braking power" is fine. when looking at more important factors, like wheel lockups, (of course, brakes don't even work), your car is perfectly fine. the mechanics are sending their marketing team to tryna fool you into thinking that your car is horribly unsafe.
@citizencr4o8 ай бұрын
This was one of the best examples of how bad userbenchmark is, and thank you the laugh. 🙂
@0spidey13 жыл бұрын
Plot twist' UB's owner is Lisa Su's toxic ex
@benjaminoechsli19413 жыл бұрын
Then they must have broken up about when the 2000-series came out, as said ex couldn't stand seeing her company find its footing again, much less seeing AMD start to run with the 3- and 5000-series chips.
@XHackManiacX3 жыл бұрын
I know this is most likely fictitious, but damn it reminds me of the story of Sonny and Cher. Apparently he just could not accept that she was more successful WITHOUT him.
@vortraz20543 жыл бұрын
Almost liked but saw the likes were 666 and unliked #HailSatan
@utterkid23 жыл бұрын
@@vortraz2054 bruh what
@vortraz20543 жыл бұрын
@@utterkid2 #HailSatan. The hashtag is a shit post, and the satan hailing is genuinely funny to me. I apologize for my metalhead memes
@dacid443 жыл бұрын
That 11900K review barely talks about the 11900K at all, in fact it reminds me about that one Intel presentation where they talked way more about AMD than they did about their own product.
@InfiniteDarkMass3 жыл бұрын
Those aren't really reviews, more like random thoughts inspired by the processor in question. I don't think that amount of text is enough to review anything.
@vini__dev2 жыл бұрын
Hey do you have a link of this presentation?
@Toons5952 жыл бұрын
@@InfiniteDarkMass Then they should atleast be about the cpu itself, not some random bullshit that they're making up.
@hopperstreams44872 жыл бұрын
Now back to you, Steve.
@XX-_-XX420 Жыл бұрын
in fairness you make the 11900k look better by talking less about it, because the more you talk about it the worse it looks as theres nothing good to say.
@CoreysCrustaceans3 жыл бұрын
don’t forget userbenchmarks fixation on “market share” and actively considers it when ranking products
@Dreams_Of_Lavender3 жыл бұрын
I never understood that particular part of the site. Like, why would I care about the age of a card or how many other people use it? I care about performance. And that's misrepresented to hell and back.
@Resanctify3 жыл бұрын
@@Dreams_Of_Lavender Not really, read the numbers in the actual performance section, don't be stupid, that's all.
@jimmehjiimmeehh97483 жыл бұрын
@@Dreams_Of_Lavender Market share is actually important, it's a way to judge how well supported future game development will be for your hardware. You know the whole "Wah wah our performance is bad because developers all develop for Intel and Nvidia!!!" excuse that AMD and its fanboys have been using for years to excuse their terrible performance? I mean you can argue that it doesn't matter if you'd like, but then you'd also have to acknowledge AMD (and its fanboys) historically misrepresents its products performance
@mozarteanchaos3 жыл бұрын
@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 lemme guess: you didn't watch the video and just came to the comments for drama
@krytenfivetwothreep24853 жыл бұрын
@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 lololol I saw your reply on another comment and thought "this guys gonna be aaallll through the comments whining like a little baby." The very next comment thread I open, and what do I find hahaha
@NatetheNerdy Жыл бұрын
This reviewer's father was killed in an AMD related incident and they've been out for revenge ever since.
@KasumiRINA6 ай бұрын
You're joking but both AMD and Nvidia make chipsets actually used in russian ballistic and cruise missiles. So plenty of people literally killed by their products.
@crylune Жыл бұрын
Their 5800X3D review is absolutely hilarious. The pure performance of that CPU left them so confused they didn't know how to write an Intel fanfic around that anymore.
@donm9090 Жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw this video I just KNEW the 5800x3d review in particular would be a masterpiece. I was absolutely not disappointed. If mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport they'd be disqualified for juicing. It reads like a marketer reworded a 7 year old raging about someone else in class getting a better homework score 😭🤣
@GDNashit Жыл бұрын
THE AMD MARKETING TEAM OF RAMPAGING KZbinR REDDITORS WILL STRIKE FEAR UPON PLANET EARTH UNLESS YOU DON'T BUY THEIR MOTHAFUGGIN PROCESSOR
@Zeno- Жыл бұрын
OH. I didn't even think about reading that, they're SO MAD ahahah. They couldn't even say Intel's faster, just that it's solid.
@Guy_that_exists Жыл бұрын
the fake comments are funny af too
@lsswappedcessna Жыл бұрын
The regular 5800x already blew Intel out of the water. It's a stupidly good CPU for the price point (at least in my experience) but the improved X3D must have caused immense levels of clownery. They're still somewhat cheap (though a bit more than the X) and they blow Intel out of the water even harder. Meanwhile UB is straight up blowing Intel. Not out of the water, either.
@rajder6563 жыл бұрын
bruh the 5800x being comparable to the 200 dollar i5 killed me
@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg3 жыл бұрын
Didn't know my processor was worse than an I5.. WELL... SELLING 5800X LIGHTLY USED 300USD SHIPPING INCL.
@harkovdent57073 жыл бұрын
And worst of all, it's a 6c/6t i5 NOT a 6c/12t
@hunde24303 жыл бұрын
And yet I can't find any 5000 SERIES HERE IN MY COUNTRY FOR SOME FREAKING REASON
@keisaboru11553 жыл бұрын
@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg damnnn
@calder91573 жыл бұрын
@@hunde2430 let alone the whole world!
@ThEuNdYiNg13 жыл бұрын
The worst part is that they're usually within the top 3 results when looking for reviews so people who don't know better might be led astray
@DsgSleazy3 жыл бұрын
I'm new to pc so I had no idea that they were bad
@kylewidrig59933 жыл бұрын
Same does anyone have a different site with more honest comparisons
@rhubarbeque3 жыл бұрын
I used to use it, only really looked at the stats and not the big chunks of text.
@kylewidrig59933 жыл бұрын
@@rhubarbeque that’s what I use it for is it fine for that
@Sleksin3 жыл бұрын
@@kylewidrig5993 I'm not knowledgeable enough to really see how accurate the measurements are, but as mentioned in this video they've basically made up eFPS, so there could be a lot of things that are shady in their measurements. If it could be determined what is actually benchmarks obtained from users and what is userbenchmark specific then maybe some things could be used.
@jacobfalardeau6768 ай бұрын
And now Userbenchmark is behind a $10 paywall, lol
@Jopic7 ай бұрын
Intel users can now buy copium for as low as $9.99!!! Get it now, while supplies last!
@brinecrab2 ай бұрын
that'll stop AMD's Advanced Marketing Drones!
@red-hot3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU, i was literally JUST reading the i9 11900k review; pardon my French but it's more like userBitchmark
@sownheard3 жыл бұрын
That's not french 🥖 mate that's Bitch''ish
@dermax_hd3 жыл бұрын
thats fing insane omg hahaha
@oxaile40213 жыл бұрын
Uselessbenchmark
@vasoconvict3 жыл бұрын
UserShitmark UserAssmark UserBirthmark UserOnyourmarksGetsetGo I can go on and on. They may not be good insults, but they're insults!
@UM96lol3 жыл бұрын
I like how the Intel 11900k review is basically a review of Intel 11900k reviews
@Sonlirain3 жыл бұрын
Well there's a saying where i live. "If you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything." And there is absolutely nothing nice to say about that series of CPUs... so they don't say anything about them.
@wayward033 жыл бұрын
@@Sonlirain the 11400 and 11600k aren't terrible but I wouldn't pay more money than the previous gen equivalent or AMD competition.
@EvilTurkeySlices3 жыл бұрын
I also love how they accuse AMD and their fans of the same things Intel has been doing for at least 25 years.
@EvilTurkeySlices3 жыл бұрын
@@wayward03 the 11600k isn’t terrible, but are only slightly cheaper than the 5600x, performs worse overall, and use about 64w more power.
@BruceCarbonLakeriver3 жыл бұрын
@@EvilTurkeySlices projection is a thing ...
@chrizz1 Жыл бұрын
The sad fact is the UserBenchmark UI is really amazing. I wish we had something accurate yet with a great interface to compare and contrast parts in the PC community.
@nikkiofthevalley Жыл бұрын
The reason it's so simple is because it isn't designed to actually work. You cannot directly compare processors or video cards. It isn't in any way accurate. If it was a list of pros and cons, then it would be accurate. (providing the pros and cons are stated accurately, of course)
@DannyB1111 Жыл бұрын
@@nikkiofthevalley how can you not directly compare them? Comparing their performance in a variety of games is a valid direct comparison imo
@nikkiofthevalley Жыл бұрын
@@DannyB1111 Yes, but that's only 1 part of the pros and cons of a processor or video card. What about API support? What about other tasks than gaming, like heavy simulation, or video editing? That's only a few of the myriad of other metrics you need to accurately guage whether a processor or video card is fit for your purposes.
@TheExileFox Жыл бұрын
I like notebookcheck - it's not biased much as far as i can tell. obviously it's targeting laptop parts though.
@Elenrai Жыл бұрын
@@TheExileFox hwcompare used to be really good, I still use it for picking out graphics cards whenever I want to quickly get an overview of the memory bus and bandwidth compared to other cards. Admittedly I have been team green since 2011 with the GPU mostly because I dont trust AMD to support their GPUs with drivers for more than 4 years, so many of my friends have been bured, oh and shadowplay is pretty neat of course
@henrikn553 ай бұрын
I went to their site and they litterally have a FAQ on why they get shit on so much lol. "Marketers operate thousands of reddit accounts. Our benchmarks expose their spiel so they attack our reputation." Hence I found your video, thank you for exposing their bias and gaslighting behavior.
@hammerth14212 ай бұрын
It now has four disclaimers on why manufacturers, reviewers, Reddit and Trustpilot all shit on them. You’d think they’d eventually go "Are we the baddies?", but no, they don’t.
@henrikn552 ай бұрын
@@hammerth1421 Exactly, it saddens me because their entire existence is based on preying on people with no technical knowledge. Consumers see a percentage and fully trust their measurements. I was one of those people. However, this video shed some light to some major issues and with all the puzzle pieces in place you just cannot support UmserBenchark anymore.
@uguhhibh3 жыл бұрын
I'll never understand people who go full tribalist for a company, when the end goal for that company is almost always to take as much of your money as they can.
@trainsandstuff10213 жыл бұрын
I agree. Like literally the more harsh and critical you are towards a company, the more likely they are going to put actual effort into their products because they have to in order to get people buying. Blindly defending or fanboying a product will always lead to a situation where the manufacturer will just get comfy and let the fanboys do their marketing and sales all the while degrading their product and hiking up the price
@caramelldansen22043 жыл бұрын
capitalism not only colonises the land and its resources, but the people's minds.
@devinbannish14693 жыл бұрын
@@caramelldansen2204 Calm down there.
@SUPADOG1113 жыл бұрын
@@trainsandstuff1021and thats what happened to intel
@andreabriganti86213 жыл бұрын
I guess it's the need of feeling to be part of something. Ignorance+no self-confidence, masked with a trolling attitude that lead to blindling workship, who/what-ever let them feel " special " in theyr twisted mind, at least.
@LAKXx3 жыл бұрын
I never realized the extend of their bias, thanks for making me realize this. Quality content
@JuliTV1233 жыл бұрын
Same, used to check that site when comparing specific components (i've never read a review from them actually, just a quick look at the numbers) but now i guess i'll ignore them
@gamagama693 жыл бұрын
@@JuliTV123 Comparisons between different nvidia gpus and different amd gpus is half decent, but don't try and do between and amd and nvidia gpu, as they have an nvidia bias, althoug hnot as bad as the intel bias.
@Resanctify3 жыл бұрын
@@gamagama69 What in the F are you talking about, this AMD fanboyism is insane. Most people going on there don't give a shit about the reviews, those are subjective, what's wrong with the User-Submitted Benchmarks for people not to use those?
@tomhsia43543 жыл бұрын
@@Resanctify Watch the video. The issue is Userbenchmark numbers don't even match up to real world performance. They've fudged the numbers too much. The 11900k, for example, is in no way 16% faster than the 10900k in most real world workloads. That website also claims the i5-9400 is 3% faster than the i9-9980xe, in what world is that true? Userbenchmark is so awful the website has been banned from the r/Intel and r/Nvidia subreddits. Their descriptions of AMD CPUs and GPUs are pathetic. Things like the 5700xt being good for benchmarks but running too hot for extended workloads
@aprofondir3 жыл бұрын
This is some Verge level professional fanboyism
@anasevi94563 жыл бұрын
well Verge on any political matter, but yeah UB's propaganda could made a north Korean PR agent blush.
@richardhruby17343 жыл бұрын
At least Verge has the decency to delete the article when they get called out.
@xBINARYGODx3 жыл бұрын
@@anasevi9456 no, not just the politics (but for that matter, have no seen any of their non-tech stuff, so I don't know if what you say is even true about the politics, but I have my assumptions)
@tandlose3 жыл бұрын
I dont think the verge knows enough about tech to even know a brand to be a fanboy about. Like if you asked them "amd or intel?" they'd say "are they the ones making the brain of the computer?"
@dycedargselderbrother53533 жыл бұрын
The Verge would smugly mock you for forgetting your tweezers when building your computer. Yeah, they got them.
@EETDUK11 ай бұрын
They've only gotten worse btw. Here's what they said about the 7800x3D (widely considered the best CPU in years): "PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work on their critical thinking skills"
@demaciasolos9 ай бұрын
To be fair, they’re not wrong.
@zeenxdownz9 ай бұрын
😶maybe you should think on your critical thinking skills@@demaciasolos
@demaciasolos9 ай бұрын
@@zeenxdownz The AMD fangirl is coping on their $500 cpu purchase hahahaha that’s actually mint
@zeenxdownz9 ай бұрын
the 14900k processor that competes with this processor is $600 so I don't know what your talking about@@demaciasolos
@simula1529 ай бұрын
@@demaciasolosfound the user benchmark editor
@TanteEmmaaa3 жыл бұрын
We are witnesses on how the person behind Usercringemark slowly descends into madness.
@PolskiYoshi3 жыл бұрын
More like as they are slowly getting paid more and more by Intel. Or their hate boner is getting bigger due to AMD getting better and better for half the price of Intel's CPU's
@bananya60203 жыл бұрын
@@PolskiYoshi well to be fair intel is becoming AMD now with the 11400f
@vlastimil-furst3 жыл бұрын
@@bananya6020 Well, not quite becoming AMD, but true, the locked Intel hexa-cores generally offer great value, and AMD vacated the $200 for now.
@Bvngee3 жыл бұрын
8:13 User *_what_* 10:26 User *_w h a t_* 11:17 *_i m s o r r y ?_* 12:10 *Ok something is going on here*
@hueyrosayaga3 жыл бұрын
LMAO LITERALLY ME THE ENTIRE TIME
@linear12243 жыл бұрын
Dudes having a stroke.
@TheTrueMichael3 жыл бұрын
LMFAO I KNOW RIGHT
@fritheaxolotl275273 жыл бұрын
I watched the entire video and never realized until i read this comment
@stanlexgreenson3 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment, I'm diying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ellmister3 жыл бұрын
Legit never knew this. I've used this site A LOT to compare all kinds of cpus. Appreciate this.
@supershad98553 жыл бұрын
I did so too, and I did notice their scoring made little sense the last couple years
@Scheisshaufen3 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too. I'm glad, that I didn't use it to decide which processor I should buy.
@2911oscar3 жыл бұрын
you can use to compare between the same generation if you just go by numbers and know what you are doing, basically just numbers and don't even bother with their opinions. Although at this point I wouldn't give them clicks even for that
@Scheisshaufen3 жыл бұрын
@@supershad9855 I always thought the ranking is very single-core-heavy because it's more for showing the in-game performance but now with the newest generations of CPUs from Intel and AMD it's not making any sense anymore.
@512TheWolf5123 жыл бұрын
Last time I used that site was like 2016 or something, when I was trying to replace my gtx460
@iamsancho304 Жыл бұрын
This site is exactly the reason why I went for an all AMD build. They are actively trying to skew the marketplace towards Intel/Nvidia products when everyone knows they are just too damn expensive nowadays for the same equipment. I just got a AMD RX 6700XT that rivals the RTX 3070 in performance, with NVidias being a little bit better (we are talking like 5fps better) in big AAA titles, but with the AMD card at $350 while Nvidia's card is at $700
@purplegoopguy Жыл бұрын
Honestly regretting not getting an amd card, got a 3060ti fit my first build.
@NiSE_Rafter Жыл бұрын
@@purplegoopguy The 3060ti is still a good card even if Nvidia and shills are scummy. Enjoy it while you have it and you can always go red later down the line.
@purplegoopguy Жыл бұрын
@@NiSE_Rafter Oh yeah, it still works. Just a massive fucking pain dealing with their proprietary drivers on linux. Only thing I want them for is the gpu frame buffer recording
@AverageDoomer69 Жыл бұрын
@purplegoopguy how can u be based enough to use Linux but dumb enough to go for the closed source nvidia garbage
@purplegoopguy Жыл бұрын
@@AverageDoomer69 I didn't think about OS till I realized I hated the idea of installing windows on my PC. I YOLO'd the absolute fuck out of this build ngl. I kinda just slapped shit together after skipping through 2 minutes of like a 2 hour LTT video on building pcs. It wasn't that complex lol. And I only got the 3060ti because A) cheap B) It is a fire card C) Very cheap, like under 500$ (Brand fucking new) Also didn't have a ton of experience with AMD cards. Ima be real I don't have any more problems from it. Oh yeah, AM5 does this funny thing where you can literally stop seeing your wifi adapter until you turn off the psu and spam the power button to discharge the capacitors. I shit you not. Hilarious. (Also some mediatek driver thing and powersaving setting I forgot)
@FairweatherBaah3 жыл бұрын
I was literally about to buy a new PC and couldn't understand why anyone would buy an AMD CPU because I'm dumb and completely believed what I saw on UB... You've actually helped me out a lot, ty philip.
@StevenMussels3 жыл бұрын
Go read techpowerups CPU reviews, they go into a LOT more detail than most websites
@FairweatherBaah3 жыл бұрын
@@StevenMussels the main thing that got me about UB was that I could directly compare products with a single score. I get pretty easily overwhelmed with spec sheets.
@StevenMussels3 жыл бұрын
Go read tpus 11900k review and just skip to say 1440p gaming result - you'll see how little or actually matters. 5600x from AMD shines so hard with power vs performance
@FairweatherBaah3 жыл бұрын
@@StevenMussels I'm mainly using this CPU for Blender stuff, not Gaming per se. Even harder to get good benches.
@sannidhyabalkote95363 жыл бұрын
@@FairweatherBaah in multi-core Don't think of Intel
@2belowfreezing3 жыл бұрын
I love how you just end the video after reading their last Intel review. It really does speak for itself...
@BigHappysPlace3 жыл бұрын
when you have the CEO of Intel comes out and say, they have a lot of work to do to catch up to AMD. you know UserBenchmark is lying.
@senbonzakurakageyoshi662 Жыл бұрын
It's not that they are technically "lying" but they try to manipulate people with tests & stuffs to make AMD worst then Intel procs for no reasons and create fic tests to seem more worthy of doing it. And no one, even Intel themself want to find credits from them anymore even when they glorify their products gorgeously XD and that is the thing that makes no sense at all!
@TheHadMatters Жыл бұрын
Tbf, that's not necessarily true. Across energy consumption, heat vulnerability, multi-versus-single core performance, etc, there are many things a CPU can be competitively ahead on, without really making it a better choice to many groups of consumers. So there absolutely are justifications for a CPU review to disagree with the CEO's assessment on the direction of their product line. Perhaps not to the extent on that website, but even the things they evaluate in their flavour texts (which I never expected anyone to take seriously - clearly the website just exists to offer stats, and the review texts are fluff to make a little ad revenue with) aren't all inaccurate.
@mareksicinski3726 Жыл бұрын
@@TheHadMatters eh realistically not so much in effect
@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide Жыл бұрын
@@mareksicinski3726 AMD is legitimately less stable. It's cheaper for more power but a lot more hardware error-prone. It's not a new way of doing hardware. You always have a pricey stable company and a unstable cheaper company. You exchange price for risk. Literally every industry had that paradigm.
@MrMcDougleGaming2 ай бұрын
@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwidewell this didn’t age well now that 13th gen and 14th gen chips are degrading lol
@damson34132 ай бұрын
checking in after the intel CPU oxidation issue that's going to kill every 13th and 14th gen cpu eventually. userbenchmark has been silent for a week about this. all the reviews they've done about the last two gens of cpus have remained unchanged in light of this situation and have aged terribly mainly because of what has just been discovered. I'm guessing they're on suicide watch.
@decameter3 жыл бұрын
When I was looking at this site to decide whether I was gonna trust in Infinity Cache and go with the cheaper 6900xt over a 3090 or possibly the 6800xt vs 3080, I saw their review of both cards at the bottom and literally spit out my drink. It was so fucking wild man, like vitriolic hate for a product that performed only slightly worse at 4k than a card that cost 500 dollars more, and just a nauseatingly positive glowing review for the Nvidia card. IT was fucking bizarre!
@Icetea-20002 жыл бұрын
No idea why they so deeply hate AMD. I don’t even think they are paid off like so many others think. If they had a deal with Intel, they could just quietly let their processors do better and that’s it. They would also have no reason to take this battle into the GPU section where there is no Intel to praise. The increasingly verbose "reviews" derailing into nothing more than complaining about AMDs marketing that is apparently a worldwide shadow organization don’t make sense to me if the explanation is that they’ve simply been bought by Intel. I think whoever writes the reviews believes that they’re personally attacked by the relative performance between Intel and AMD shifting. And they’ve not only been banned from AMDs but INTELs official subreddit as well. Idk, it’s so weird considering how big the site is
@Ahfeku2 жыл бұрын
@@Icetea-2000 just like some random comment i found said; "its like UB really wanna strangle the shit out of lisa su. "
@Icetea-20002 жыл бұрын
@@Ahfeku Yeah I think that might’ve even been my comment lol
@Thewaterspirit572 жыл бұрын
Well the 3090 still does have more cores and far more VRAM compared to its 3080 counterpart and those AMD cards soooo….. While AMDs cards rely more on high clock speeds for higher performance…. Plus people see the 3090 as a bridge between the GeForce and quadro line. Good for gaming and professional work, without a 4K+ price tag.
@horusreloaded63872 жыл бұрын
@@Thewaterspirit57 also depending on what you want to do, some stuff just dosnt work on AMD GPUs, sadly. You can do almost nothing that involves some fancy AI, even if you just want to mess around with those AI that up-frames your videos it makes you sad.
@m1st873 жыл бұрын
plot twist: Userbenchmark had a 4 year long build up for 2021 april fool's joke. They nailed it, that 11900k "review" is hilarious.
@dhanajon55283 жыл бұрын
I mean i knew they were biased, but i didn't know they were THAT biased. Wow
@jimmehjiimmeehh97483 жыл бұрын
You're complaining about Bias on a video where a minute in Phillip lies about how Intel only sold 4 core 8 thread processors. (they've been selling higher core count desktop/gaming chips since 2010). Worse than lying he tries to add a qualifier to his lie "if you wanted extra you'd have to pay a lot more!" so that when his lie is pointed out he can weasel out of it. Phillip is an AMD fanboy and biased that way. Unfortunately with the way the world is now, no one even tries to account for their biases and outright pretends their bias is objectivity.
@dhanajon55283 жыл бұрын
@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 k
@Tomoyo863 жыл бұрын
@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 And now you sound biased. Ironic.
@Undy13 жыл бұрын
@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 You're serious aren't you? Alright then, I'll get serious too. "They've been selling higher core count desktop/gaming chips since 2010" - alright then let's see Ivy Bridge for example. i3 - 2 cores 4 threads, i5 - 4 cores 4 threads, i7 - 4 cores 8 threads, i7 extreme - 6 cores 12 threads. So it would seem that you're correct right? Wrong. The key word here is desktop/gaming. i7 extreme processors are workstation/enthusiast grade of hardware and require a enthusiast/server motherboard. Usually i7 extreme processors are double the price of the flagship i7 processor and the motherboard is usually also double or even triple the price of a normal motherboard (LGA2011, LGA 2066). Meanwhile quad core flagship processors were the standard for Intel from 2007 with Kentsfield (eg. Core 2 Quad Q6600) up until Kaby Lake in 2017 (eg. i7-7700K). The first real affordable consumer Intel 6 core processor released with Coffee Lake in late 2017 / early 2018 (eg. i7-8700K) as a direct response to AMD's Zen architecture (February 2017) and upcoming Zen+ architecture (April 2018). Intel kept the core counts frozen for consumers for literally 10 years and it would keep them frozen longer if AMD hasn't appeared with competetive products.
@jimmehjiimmeehh97483 жыл бұрын
@@Tomoyo86 I point out three objective facts and you call me biased. Do you not understand the problem there?
@dakawans8310 ай бұрын
I like how the site always uses an old picture for the AMD GPUs. They are actively trying to make the image as generic as possible.
@kite20362 ай бұрын
That was intentional??? I thought it was some server cache error or my VPN not letting the images upload. What is wrong with these people.
@andresmithe2983 жыл бұрын
You just saved me 6000 words on Reddit. Userbenchmark is awful. It is a literal roadblock in a lot of my work
@CWorm3 жыл бұрын
reddit moment
@gljames243 жыл бұрын
@@CWorm KZbin moment
@ExySmexy3 жыл бұрын
Same. I'm always helping people at r/buildapc and there are so many people who use this as a full on benchmark it hurts me.
@Wieprzek3 жыл бұрын
@@ExySmexy What other benchmark/comparing site would you recommend?
@blanchbacker3 жыл бұрын
Epic poggers chungus XD
@Beanpapac153 жыл бұрын
Its a shame that userbenchmark has so much bias, the idea is really great in my opinion and is one of the quickest and most convenient ways to compare performance without having to memorize hundreds of benchmarks.
@VeeTHis3 жыл бұрын
They don't write the damn reviews...
@addictedtoRS3 жыл бұрын
@@VeeTHis Yet they publish them on their site. You think they just accidentally publish these reviews?
@The_oli43 жыл бұрын
@@VeeTHis they did make efps a thing which no one knows how to measure except themselves. And they changed the algorithm to give lower scores to higher treads which is really biased.
@pawala73 жыл бұрын
@@VeeTHis Yes they do. CPUPro and GPUPro are likely the owners or affiliates of the site. Pretty much all the featured reviews are from them.
@maximusasauluk73593 жыл бұрын
What about GPU reviews? Are they biased as well? (since intel is not a player there) I'm wondering if I should ditch userbenchmark completely or just the CPU side
@luckymomohd25323 жыл бұрын
"Despite Intel's performance lead" - UserBenchark 2021. Gave me a big laugh.
@invasious3 ай бұрын
It's funny because now it has literally devolved to POSTING THE WRONG SPECS. The Ryzen 7 5700X3D that released this year, is listed as a 6 core cpu in Booserlenchfart, when its actually a 8 core cpu that is just a slightly lower clocked 5800X3D
@YannMetalhead Жыл бұрын
Now you know where Intel spends its marketing budget.
@KZ_drift Жыл бұрын
LOL
@enlightendbel Жыл бұрын
That's the most bizare thing here, I'm 100% convinced they don't give these clowns a dime, they are just that much Intel fanboys that they do it for free.
@Dark_Voice Жыл бұрын
@@enlightendbel I mean when Intel reddit literally banned them because they didnt make any sense and they didnt wanna be associated with them - you KNOW you shell too hard.
@isweartofuckinggod Жыл бұрын
@@Dark_Voice You'd think they'd take the hint rather than double down lmao
@TheExileFox Жыл бұрын
Nvidia too
@pontiffsullyvan3 жыл бұрын
I feel like this guy can narate a story... or even a parable for stanley...
@KenkenLH3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact : He already making a video about LADDER
@trademarkedits3 жыл бұрын
Wait did he????
@zatrox9438 Жыл бұрын
SO THIS IS WHY, I remember using their site when i was building my first pc in 2016 with 6700K and GTX1080 and I used that website a lot to compare different combinations of hardware, but now that I'm looking to update, i came back to their website only to find really weird results when I'm comparing different components. Now I finally get why
@IAmDonut_ Жыл бұрын
Luckily while I was creating my brother build I had already decided on the processor, but whenever I did stray into that neck of the UBM woods it became a very confusing time. I need to check how they treated AMD’s Radeon gpus, but from what I remember they seem to have copy and pasted something about “overhyped marketing” backfiring on them. Shit didn’t stop me from choosing a 5600x and a 6600xt tho
@IAmDonut_ Жыл бұрын
Yep it’s just as nuts, in the i5-13600k review which is on their front page, their review pulls the exact same insanity and even talks about Radeon steam market share numbers??? They also seem to like copy pasting stuff across different reviews for different products. I’ve found the line “ AMD's Neanderthal marketing tactics seem to have come back to haunt them” multiple times on both gpu and cpu reviews. They don’t seem to be fangirling as hard for Nvidia but they definitely still hate the fuck outta AMD
@Chaos_God_of_Fate Жыл бұрын
@@IAmDonut_ The current 5800x3d review talks of Neanderthals- you can tell it's the same shill writing all this garbage.
@PeixeKing8 ай бұрын
I forgot that I saw this video a couple of years ago, and today, I was looking for some information on a gpu, and Userbenchmark was the first search result. When I read the report, I immediately remembered this video. Here are some excerpts, if anyone's wondering if they improved: "PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products." "AMD’s 6000 series GPU’s will have to see substantial price cuts and a huge marketing effort in order to gain any traction." "Nonetheless, AMD’s marketers are capable of delivering elaborate BS albeit whilst struggling to keep a straight face. Their marketing infrastructure outsold Intel in the CPU market despite a 15% performance deficit. Without an appropriate social media marketing strategy, Nvidia will probably lose considerable market share, for all the wrong reasons."
@MazeFrame3 жыл бұрын
The mental gymnastics UserBenchmark does are nothing short of baffling.
@EvilTurkeySlices3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of CNN.
@Bubu5673 жыл бұрын
@@EvilTurkeySlices Quick, do a double backwards somersault and make it political!
@froot29123 жыл бұрын
@@EvilTurkeySlices Why drag politics into it? It's a fucking benchmark site
@Maple_MK3 жыл бұрын
@@EvilTurkeySlices Really, you have the nerve to bring politics into this?
@Otie643 жыл бұрын
gamers acting like politics is some weird foreign thing that isn't intertwined with almost everything and has no effect on their lives lmao the dude said 3 letters and got 3 replies complaining about politics, white boys are hilarious
@gloowacz3 жыл бұрын
"Our Intel glorious armies are victoriously retreating. AMD scum chases them in disarray"
@legendsneverdye89493 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@undr_score89183 жыл бұрын
I think you meant "advancing in the opposite direction"
@midknight13393 жыл бұрын
Is this a reference to something? If not, holy crap, this is incredibly well-written for a KZbin comment.
@gloowacz3 жыл бұрын
@@midknight1339 It's a joke running around in Poland about how German newspaper headlines read at the end of WWII, just replace AMD and Intel with Russian and German :)
@midknight13393 жыл бұрын
@@gloowacz Ahhhh makes sense. I figured it was probably originally satirizing some war, but I couldn't find any sources (which makes sense, since I was googling in English).
@norzma3 жыл бұрын
Userbenchmark is truly the greatest aprils fools joke ever.
@pantzman3 жыл бұрын
Every year, full time.
@enterwind973 жыл бұрын
@@pantzman At least they don't do it for free (probably)
@rbunpat3 жыл бұрын
Userbarkmench in 8:15 lol
@EuthanasiaSUPREME13 күн бұрын
I remember when I first saw user benchmark and they had FAQ's posted under GPU comparisons such as: "Why does Reddit/KZbinrs hate Userbenchmark?" with half-witted responses that were unprofessional blanket statements, I immediately knew it wasn't a reliable source of information. It's kinda like when someone gets called out for objectively bad behavior, and instead of an apology or valid rebuttal, they respond with "This is just typical toxic CANCEL CULTURE" or something about "haters" or politics - you immediately know they're an idiot.
@2kliksphilip11 күн бұрын
They don't reply like that to change the mind of the person they're responding to, they reply to evoke an emotional response in onlookers and to play the crowd
@TheGeladoo3 жыл бұрын
I love how the video ends with that bomb, you didn't even have to say anything about it, the "review" just speaks for itself.
@Royy12903 жыл бұрын
:0
@Royy12903 жыл бұрын
Look at my profile picture XD
@TheGeladoo3 жыл бұрын
@@Royy1290 NICE
@bananya60203 жыл бұрын
@@Royy1290 cool :O (pretend that's a surprised pikachu face)
@bananya60203 жыл бұрын
@Nirosue what
@saier14143 жыл бұрын
"it uses too much electricity" I mean, the peak turbo draw was about 279W on linuss testing, when you boost you are guaranteed to blackout the city, and it's hot like a laptop chip
@artyknotswastaken3 жыл бұрын
See its multipurpose! It can also cook an egg, how convenient!!1
@dqpowered3 жыл бұрын
It was way higher without any limitations, nearly 400W. :D
@MJ-uk6lu3 жыл бұрын
I'm no longer convinced that FX 9590 is the most power inefficient CPU.
@machoman6553 жыл бұрын
Fecking hell, you'd nearly need a separate psu just for the cpu...
@MJ-uk6lu3 жыл бұрын
@@machoman655 Not really, EVGA still makes Supernova PSUs. Should be enough for i9 and RTX 3090.
@FrAndroidd3 жыл бұрын
I used that website to compare some GPUs and CPUs to decide, until I started seeing KZbin benchmarks (which are almost imposible to fake) and I started to notice some weird things, the compare where soooooooo unaccurate, then I just stopped using that website, I never looked deeper about that unaccurate comparisons, and now I see this video, everything makes sense now
@belland_dog82353 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if someone on KZbin tried to fake this stuff and they got any sort of major attention it would almost instantly be shot down by a barrage of tech youtubers
@bitelaserkhalif3 жыл бұрын
This. I just decided to view youtube benchmarks instead. More to trust
@abc.29243 жыл бұрын
There actually is aloooot of fake YT benchmarks. They use different cards than they say they are using
@theodiscusgaming39093 жыл бұрын
youtube benchmarks aren't 'impossible to fake' and we don't know the methodology that they use so it's a good idea to only use benchmarks from reputed channels such as gamers nexus and hardware unboxed
@bitelaserkhalif3 жыл бұрын
@@theodiscusgaming3909 gamer nexus is my go-to for that matter actually
@OlaftheGreat7 ай бұрын
It's only gotten worse in 2023-2024. It's gone from disagreeing with the results to downright slander, nonsensical smear campaigns run wild and it's extraordinarily hard to take seriously
@lowenevvan86193 жыл бұрын
I went to one of the linked videos in those descriptions about it's "Better EFPS in games" Despite both CPUs being 4.5ghz out of the box, the Intel CPU was overclocked to 5ghz, running at 100% with no stat for it's tempeture shown. AMD in that test was running at 40% usage at most and a cool 50c the whole "benchmark"
@maevetronics3 жыл бұрын
8:14 *U S E R B A R K M E N C H*
@fairyball39293 жыл бұрын
Glad to see that I'm not going insane by myself
@Kafen8d3 жыл бұрын
There's a other one at 8:43
@TheGeladoo3 жыл бұрын
Try the one @ 11:17
@ThePhilosopherLB3 жыл бұрын
Yeah why is he never pronouncing their name lmao
@therealbusta59543 жыл бұрын
12:12
@leandronicolas88483 жыл бұрын
When you think it can't get worse after the first 12 minutes, he reads that 11900k description. Sackable indeed.
@StefanoKocka Жыл бұрын
8:14 "UserBarkMench" you made may day! :D ps: sounds like Gerglish: "a User barking on People"
@ThisRandomUsername3 жыл бұрын
What's cool about the AMD subreddit is they haven't actually banned the website. On every post that mentions it or links to it, there's a pinned auto-moderator description of the issue.
@1998marijn19983 жыл бұрын
Indeed, much better to spread information than to ban it
@GeorgeTsiros3 жыл бұрын
"We reduced the contribution of thread counts higher than eight. The 32-core AMD 2990WX moved from first position to 48th. Meanwhile the 8-core Intel 9900K moved from 7th to first position." Well, yeah. And if "We reduce the contribution of cylinder counts higher than 4" then a ferrari is slower than an accord.
@ScorpyonMike2 жыл бұрын
Considering that when you floor the pedal ALL cylinders are working, yes, making that analogy would seem stupid not to compare both CPUs at full core usage. However with CPUs, it doesn't work like that. You have to pick the correct CPU for the type of workload you intend to use it for. For gaming, it's only in the recent few years that I have actually seen games that can use up more than 4 cores, which was common for most "gamer" CPUs. It doesn't matter how many cores your CPU has, if your application doesn't have enough threads to put all those cores to work. It would be more like a construction company having 20 workers. When you're in the foundation phase of building a house, you probably won't be able to distribute the work to 20 people to be able to work on finishing the foundation faster. Instead you'll use however many workers you have enough workload for, and just send the rest to a different building site so you don't end up with idle workers. It's the same case with CPUs. If you have a 12 core CPU with 24 threads, but you're playing a game that uses at most 5 to 8 threads, then most of the other CPU threads are sitting around idle (if you don't do other stuff in parallel while gaming). So I understand the reason behind UB changing their benchmarking scenarios, as CPUs started going bonkers with core and thread count. If I were to buy a CPU with video encoding being the main reason I'm buying it, then yes, for that use case UB would not give people a good idea of how it would really perform next to an intel CPU. However I think those cases are in the minority of people buying CPUs, where most of your average Joes that need a site like userbenchmark (which is made to help the vast majority of the user base, reason why they also added effective FPS performance on various games as one of the test cases) are people that want to build a gaming PC. I used to build computers for a living, and people fail to understand that WHAT workload you will put on that computer matters a lot more than just how much "raw total power" a CPU is capable of. The first question I'd ask clients when they came to us for a PC, was what do they intend to use it for and to give me a list of software (or games) that they want to run on that machine. Then we'd discuss budget and see if any sacrifices had to be made to keep the price down, where can those sacrifices be made in order to impact their intended workload as less as possible. If you're building a VM server intended to run a lot of VMs in parallel, core count will matter way more than individual core performance. However for a gaming PC, 8 cores with a better single core performance will usually be better than a 16 core with lower single core performance, at least for the majority of games. I am not aware if there are any games released in the past 2 years that would make use of any additional cores (without having other workloads running on your PC when you're gaming), as I haven't played that many recent titles that came out in the past 2 years, so I can't say I have a big enough data pool. I am also an overclocker that monitors his PC vitals in all my games (since both my CPU, my GPU as well as my RAM are overclocked). I've been with both team blue, as well as team red, and what UB states in regards to EFPS is true. Especially if you have a high FPS monitor, those random high frametimes (which is what those "dips" that you see shown in the screenshot when UB mentioned microstutters with AMD CPUs) become even more noticeable. But the thing is, when it occured, on intel I only encountered them when my CPU was 7 generations old and I had games that capped my CPU at 100%. However, with AMD it happened on some games even on current gen CPUs, while the CPU was nowhere near 100% (however I did notice some individual cores getting capped to 100%, even though the total CPU load was around 50%). For this reason, for gaming (which the vast majority of people that come on UB are visiting for), I stand by UserBenchmark in how the make their tests. Because for gaming purposes (wich is the vast majority of your average Joe coming on UB), their benchmarks are good (I don't really read the word reviews they post, but at least the numbers they post are accurate for their intended purpose). And the thing that UB mentioned about reviewer benchmarks that had XMP disabled is absolutely true. You're basically using your RAM at below their advertised frequency, which will drastically impact your benchmark results. The way 2kliksphilip presents this topic seems a bit biased. Either the extent of his knowledge isn't as vast as he thinks it is, or he is biased towards team red. I don't know about the former, but looking through his video upload history, it does seem like he favors team red in his videos (it might just be my perception, but at least it does seem like that to me).
@exb9402 жыл бұрын
@@ScorpyonMike tldr, markworshcnerbcnh fanboy. Efps is the dumbest thing ever. Avg fps is what you’ll usually be at in game. Making a whole new fps formula simply to validate your tribalist bias towards a company is completely stupid and so is defending it. Its completely idiotic to include the extreme low percentages in your average.
@satsumagt52842 жыл бұрын
I can only think of a Ferrari V12 sound now, thanks
@caschque72422 жыл бұрын
@@ScorpyonMike I think you're biasing it (or are a troll). I agree with the main message, that user benchmark is a bunch of bollocks. What you can do though, is compare intel processors with each other. That works. Or check which configurations people use with said processors, or have a quick check what the market shares are or check the most used nvmes and so on. Btw, a simple way to negate your question about the nr. of cores. Usually you do not only have your one game active, but possibly, one drive, chrome with a bunch of tabs, Spotify etc. etc. Those chug cpu as well and if left with only 4 cores or even less, this would lead to instabilities. (not crashing, but the same as if, the cpu was working at 100 %). Nowadays some games even are able to use 8 or more threads actively. And what about other workloads? There are so many tasks where you really benefit from more cores. You are completely ignoring those. "I stand by UserBenchmark how they make their tests"... what the hell, are you on drugs? 2 % for multi-core performance... that's just ridiculous. You are definitely just a troll or were paid. I thought they standardized their tests with efps, but they have not even standardized it with the resolution. This is not benchmarking in the slightest. This is illegal marketing. If it were where I am living.
@ScorpyonMike2 жыл бұрын
@@caschque7242 I would suggest giving my comment another read, but this time in it's entirety. You either only partially read it, skimmed through it, or chose to ignore parts of it and only focus on the parts you wanted to pick on. "And what about other workloads? There are so many tasks where you really benefit from more cores. You are completely ignoring those." No, I'm not ignoring those. In fact I even said "If I were to buy a CPU with video encoding being the main reason I'm buying it, then yes, for that use case UB would not give people a good idea of how it would really perform ". I also talked about other scenarios where a high number of cores would be more beneficial vs the single core performance of the CPU. I will say again once more... The vast majority of the website traffic on UB is from your average Joe trying to build themselves a gaming rig and they want to see what would get them the most bang for their buck. In that aspect, I think UB is great. If you're building a PC intended for business workloads, that can generate enough threads to use up a high core count (anything over 8 cores), then yes, I would not use UB. But then again, if you need a business oriented PC, it's probably not going to be built by your average Joe. Even I myself have never used UB to compare CPUs for anything other than when building a gaming CPU. And again, I think for that purpose it's a good tool. While the worded review section might be biased, I never use that. I think the best representation is the 1 core, 2 core, 4 core and 8 core score comparison. A quick example to check if the numbers are biased is to check something like an i5-10600 and a ryzen 5 5600x. Both released in the same year, and both at the same price (at least where I live). You'll see the AMD one comes on top when it comes to those number. And yes, the 5600x is a good example where the worded review seems biased, reason why I prefer to use the site for the various 1 to 8 core scores, and also to check on average how well the cpu overclocks. Also for business PCs, there are other factors to keep in mind besides just the "total raw power", even for workloads that can make use of a high core count. Like CPU instruction set (I work in software development, and for the tools we use, this is WAY more important than just running an artificial benchmark between 2 CPUs and picking whichever scored the highest). Also, if you work in an enterprise business (I do), there's also things which might be of importance such as a TPM chip. For business oriented workloads, I don't think you should be building your PC using generic benchmarking websites. If you want to compare two CPUs, you have to have some very specific criteria in mind, and I don't think you'll ever find a generic benchmarking website fitting those criterias. "2 % for multi-core performance... that's just ridiculous" No idea where that number was pulled from, but I searched their website and could not find that information anywhere, so unless provided some proof, I will tend to think that that number was pulled from someone's backside. "Usually you do not only have your one game active, but possibly, one drive, chrome with a bunch of tabs, Spotify etc." On an 8 core CPU: - Spotify's CPU usage is insignificant. - Chrome uses up a lot of RAM (especially if you abuse the number of tabs you use, which I personally do) however it doesn't really use up that much CPU unless you have video decoding running, like watching youtube on a secondary screen, if you have it. And even then... an 8 core CPU can more than handle that (on a 4 core the impact would be more significant, however UB supports up to 8, so I'm using that test case if I want to go on the higher end of the core spectrum, at least in the core range that UB offers) - OneDrive can be scheduled to sync at specific times / days. And even if you leave it always on, you can just lower the task priority so it can't hog up your CPU if you're worried about your CPU usage going up when you're syncing a LOT of files at the same time Of course there's other apps that can run in the background besides those enumerated above, however they more or less fit in the same categories. Either the load is insignificant, or if it's a background task that is not a priority task, you can just lower the task priority in task manager, or if it's something that might have a somewhat detectable load on your CPU, that's usually visual decoding (youtube, netflix, or any other form of video watching) and you will only watch one instance of that since if you're already gaming, at most you can listen to a youtube video on the other monitor and look at it from time to time. Again, for the use cases of the vast majority of the people going on UserBenchmark, the available benchmarking criteria are sufficient. I would HEAVILY advise against allowing the overall score comparison of two CPUs to allow benchmarks that can fill up a CPU with 24 cores or more, in the case of AMD. Since your average Joe might end up in the scenario where he buys a CPU with a ton of cores to use it for gaming, because it had a higher overall score, and end up with a poorer performance than if he had used the same money to buy a CPU with fewer cores but a higher performance per core. Especially since you're average Joe won't know how to interpret those scores and just check overall score vs overall score. TLDR: - gaming PC oriented benchmarks = UserbenchMark good - business PC oriented benchmarks = UserbenchMark bad
@asriel093 жыл бұрын
You need to follow up on this, shortly after this video they made a response to all the criticsism and started linking to it on all their comparisons quietly. It's shockingly terrible. They're claiming that exclusively testing old Intel-optimized games without taking into consideration multitasking is how they fight all those evil paid AMD shills.
I love how this video ends :D It's just perfect, no commentary at all *XD*
@accola59353 жыл бұрын
"The 11900k is 20% faster than the 10900k in our eFPS tests, please ignore every other benchmark which says the opposite" - UBM
@Resanctify3 жыл бұрын
Why not just ignore reviews and "eFPS" and use the site for what it's name means? Is it because user submitted results don't show AMD as some champion?
@izouji21533 жыл бұрын
@@Resanctify you think intel is doing better than amd?
@50H3i13 жыл бұрын
It's mind blowing that every time you search : gpu A vs gpu B and/or cpu A vs cpu B , the first result would be userbenchmark
@pohuing30373 жыл бұрын
What other options are there for a large scale user aggregated benchmark. If I just want to see how many fps a GPU or CPU gets in a game UserBenchmark is the only site that comes to mind.
@50H3i13 жыл бұрын
@@pohuing3037 yeah that's what I've been using in past . But when I know their data is incorrect why should I rely on it?
@zazethe65533 жыл бұрын
@@50H3i1 I don't think their data is incorrect, just their final conclusion text.
@henryklee6803 жыл бұрын
@@zazethe6553 it is incorrect. By devaluing more cores and using "EFPS" instead of pure average fps
@zazethe65533 жыл бұрын
@@henryklee680 yeah, you are right.
@thomasb15213 жыл бұрын
I love how the keep talking about "AMD's massive marketing" when Intel is a marketing mastermind and AMD marketing is shit or nonexistent.
@BruceCarbonLakeriver3 жыл бұрын
AMD literally forecasts 20% increase in performance and delivered 21% in average ... marketing isn't a thing if you've got a good product, on the other side you've intel with "reee - we're here as well" and have gotten managed to release a CPU which is even weakern than its predecessor .. well but hotter xD
@reinhardtwilhelm54153 жыл бұрын
I mean, AMD’s marketing is pretty damn good now... but maybe as an enthusiast my definition of good marketing it skewed. Intel’s marketing, to me, is a dishonest, actively hubristic pile of shit, but I can see how people without a good critical eye would fall for it.
@thomasb15213 жыл бұрын
@@reinhardtwilhelm5415 yea. As soon as you slap a Intel i7 inside sticker on a pre built it sells better.
@TheHadrian543 жыл бұрын
Actually I think there's a misconception here, just because AMD's marketing budget is almost nonexistent doesn't mean their marketing itself is bad or nonexistent. Giving away CPUs to non expert "influencers" like 2kliksphilip (as well as many other KZbinrs and Streamers) is brilliant marketing because they know for a fact that its performance in video editing and the likes will blow them away and they'll recommend it. AMD's marketing is much smarter than Intel's as it lets its performance do the talk while Intel does the classic "market an idea rather than a product" which probably doesn't work as well in a fairly niche market such as PC gaming.
@thomasb15213 жыл бұрын
@@TheHadrian54 I mean more in traditional marketing (video ads etc.). Nice dissertation comment, I am wayyy too lazy to type that much.
@kamizerox3 ай бұрын
You can tell, the site admin has a lot of intel stock lol
@_Astrum3 жыл бұрын
That 11900K was really the cherry on top of this whole video. Amazing work
@macroshaft55173 жыл бұрын
I know exactly why this is happening; someone high up at Userbenchmark invented a novel and banger take on the classic AMD Space Heater joke 3 hours before the reveal of Ryzen, and has been sitting on it ever since, desperately waiting for (and using their influence to attempt to return to) a world where it can be funny again.
@randombrit132 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile if they really wanted it be funny at any time soon, they’d just have to make it about intel
@shubhabrataray1313 Жыл бұрын
@@randombrit13 the 11th series was practically a room heater.
@torydavis10 Жыл бұрын
Language is weird. Space is colder than most rooms and larger than any, yet a room heater heats harder than a space heater.
@Bhubnipz3 жыл бұрын
Damn Patches, you really are unbreakable. Surviving the end of time in Lothric, getting turned into a man-spider in the obviously connected universe of Bloodborne, and now are making really well done tech analysis. Miyazaki can really craft a muhfuckin universe
@reanterhog57013 жыл бұрын
Shame on you, you rotten AMD user!
@virtues4872 жыл бұрын
"Thought you can outwit and onion?"
@ben-- Жыл бұрын
Darn, I wish I saw this video when I was building my first PC about a year ago, as I thought it could be trusted due to them using "real" user benchmarks, and thus I ended up using them when it came to picking the CPU and GPU in my current PC, not realizing that I could've gotten chosen better hardware for my price point if I had looked a bit further than just their website.
@rker9 ай бұрын
what'd you get
@ShaCaro8 ай бұрын
That's impressive because I built my first one two years ago and even with looking at this site VERY quickly realised there was no good reason to go for Intel over AMD. Don't rely on just one source.
@ben--8 ай бұрын
@@rker i5-12600KF @ShaCaro Well, i wasn't looking at the articles on the site, i was simply using them to compare specs, had i looked through their articles, i probably would've realized that.
@aquas63773 жыл бұрын
its like when someone on a date spends 75% of the time talking about how much they hate their ex
@badreddinekasmi89193 жыл бұрын
If I only needed two cores my 2010 computer that I'm desperately trying to upgrade would be a beast
@recklesssquirel59623 жыл бұрын
What issues are you having?
@ravencg77093 жыл бұрын
@@recklesssquirel5962 Money?
@badreddinekasmi89193 жыл бұрын
@@ravencg7709 exactly.
@badreddinekasmi89193 жыл бұрын
@@recklesssquirel5962 it's just a very old PV, not much to say about it to be fair. Low specs, barely runs anything.
@MuhammedGemci2 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute, so you say my i7 4720HQ is a top tier CPU in 2022? Freakin' sick! PS: It's still an ok CPU and i absolutely love it. But, if i have the money, i would immediately buy a 3600X or a 5600X. Maybe i should keep saving until second gen DDR5 platforms land?
@jeanbutinfrench3 жыл бұрын
when Philip says "I have nothing against it" I know he is gonna wreck something
@EspyMelly Жыл бұрын
A website that is close to as easy to use as Userbenchmark with more accurate metrics is possible, I believe, but it would definitely take a ton more work then they obviously put into it. You CAN directly compare CPU's and GPU's, as long as you split those comparisons based on popular use cases, like modern games, 3D/video rendering, code compilation, etc, while listing the specific programs/benchmarks tested and other details such as power consumption and issues that have been found (like power cables melting on 4090's). No it would never be perfect but for a layman it would be a life-saver, as long as the people behind it are actually honest. It's an immense pain looking for upgrades otherwise, what with the dozens of different options from multiple manufacturers and practically random naming schemes, forcing one to spend multiple days researching multiple text reviews and youtube videos for each option for just a single component. For someone on a tight budget and without a lot of time it can easily lead to frustration and decision paralysis.
@VL4DST3R3 жыл бұрын
11:18 "Bliasmbashmbark" had me in tears! Great job!
@2KOOLURATOOLGaming3 жыл бұрын
As well as 12:10
@TJ_the_Tism Жыл бұрын
That was a perfect spelling of whatever that noise was
@leftythat58333 жыл бұрын
Every time he changes the pronunciation I laugh harder
@legrangedylandlg3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: UserBenchmark is actually secretly owned by Intels Marketing team
@twocows3603 жыл бұрын
as we've seen before with spectre, clearly intel is not particularly good at keeping secrets
@notyouravgsteve88993 жыл бұрын
Minus the fact that intel banned it from their subreddit...
@legrangedylandlg3 жыл бұрын
@@notyouravgsteve8899 perfect disguise if you ask me
@notyouravgsteve88993 жыл бұрын
@@legrangedylandlg smart... They banned it to look like they were going against it while they own it..
@Delver6393 жыл бұрын
@@notyouravgsteve8899 all theatrical joke or not, it is a possibility as they already bought a company to make a benchmark software to disguise their scores in the past
@kubistonek10 ай бұрын
im not usually into hardware, but that first two sentences convinced me that this is gonna be a good video