Using the DITEX Relay SIM Pro to Diagnose a No Crank Concern

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

First! Nice hat! 😎👌

[@winfr34k]

"The bubble" is extra real when the people you watch appear in comments underneath each other :D - Thanks for all the videos, you two!

[@MrCoolvibeztv8079]

Great content, I have been a automotive technician/mechanic for over 27 years and I can tell you I've learned a lot from your content.💯🏆👌🏾

[@calholli]

@@winfr34k I've been in this bubble since 2019.. It has been quite the college level education..

[@robertolaggo9141]

Yeah, you guys both are unreal. Love watching your content.

[@SouthMainAuto]

I second the nice hat. Might have to look into one of these :)

[@Discretesignals]

I like the Lisle master relay test kit. It comes with relay adapters that you can connect you volt meter or scope to. Also comes with switches to activate stuff.

[@Mr2004MCSS]

Nice diagnosis and use of that new tool. The tool is very similar to the AES Wave Uactivate.

[@garyjohnson801]

I like the AESWAVE. But I might buy one of those just because it's always nice to have more tools

[@DavyDiag]

Ha, topical bloke/mechanic can't read the manual until all other options are exhausted 😂 we all cut from the same cloth, as always enjoyed your video!

[@autodiagyt]

Only manual I read is the Service Manual lol

[@jackiemay9471]

diagnosedan likes his DITEX toys

[@eddiereichel9354]

I never finished it because of time but about 5 years ago I started to make my own version of a relay activate tool.

[@ktcarroll4723]

Back in my day that would be our first place to look the starter check for power and ground have someone turn the key and see if solenoid gets power.

[@Alex-jm6fk]

You should see how they bury starters these days

[@mrblonde2013]

Mike at 710 diagnostics did a bunch of videos on this tool explaining its functions. Also Honda engines back in the day rotated counter clockwise. 😊😊😊

[@stevemazzarella7212]

I like that tool

[@john7017]

Great video! Good communication and explanation, right to the problem.

[@eddiereichel9354]

My neighbor to my old shop had a kia sportage with push to start. He came down and asked to use battery charger his was dead. He came back it wasnt cranking up. This was about 6 years ago and I just started as a mechanic. It took me about a half hour to figure out that the vacuum was depleted from the booster and pushing the brake pedal was not actuating the switch. He had tried few times to start it before I got involved. Eneded up through internet search we found if ya pushed the start button for 30 seconds and it bypassed the need for brake switch. It then started every time after which led me to figuring out the brake switch.

[@AutoDITEX]

RelaySim Pro device does not contain any physical relays or mechanical switches. Instead, it has two separate "SMART" electronic switches (for 87 and 87a outputs) with built-in fault diagnostic features and embedded protections like short-circuit, current limitation, overload, over-voltage, over-temperature, reverse battery, etc.

[@autodiagyt]

Thanks for that clarification! I think the best feature of the unit is the current reading. Very good information knowing the circuit is doing something.

[@atichargr]

Great thorough starting diagnostics. Much better than a few quick checks with a test light and smack it with a hammer and pray a starter fixes it 😂

[@randyhughes5160]

Nice use of tool and diagnostic explanation

[@mikechiodetti4482]

The tool is good for testing pins 86 and 85 to verify their circuits. I would use a heavier gauge wire with circuit protection to test the pin 30 to 87 power to solenoid side. The 32 amps prove that. Once the Bat Post to starter solenoid post is tested for a voltage drop and found to be testing good, a reman starter should fix the problem. Good one Jake.

[@frugalprepper]

Nice Diag. I would have started (on a Hyundai), by making sure the engine isn't locked up first. I would have used a test light and a Lisle Relay Test Jumper, I don't have a fancy RelaySim Pro. I would have done that before going to the scan tool, because that is a test that will quickly show ECM is providing control or not. Then I would have fed the starter solenoid 12 through a test light. But we both would have got there! It I had my jack with me I would also crawl under and give the starter a tickle with the hammer, if it starts the you know it's is a bad starter.

[@autodiagyt]

As part of my process I get a vehicle prescan before doing anything so it makes sense to just quickly look at live data to see if the ECM is getting request and sending a command. If I was to start at the relay and the ECM isn't sending command then it's more time wasted then just looking at the scan tool that's already connected vs looking up a Diagram and finding the relay and so on. It's just my process and how I find things to be most efficient.

[@gerrybrown2552]

@@autodiagyt I think both ways are good…I had someone buy a starter once, and told them before they install it to put the vehicle in neutral and try to start it, it started right up! Would have wasted all that time and maybe money I don’t know if you can return them once you have installed it but not sure

[@LynxStarAuto]

Crazy what boat anchors these engines are, that the first step in the diag process for a tech on a 22 Kia is "check to see if the engine is locked"😅

[@MDTA-AUTO]

Nice one ... Quick and easy .... wish the ase wave kit had current and voltage it would be a game changer

[@autodiagyt]

Yeah that is one thing I like about this tool!

[@GregoryBirulkin]

Use your amp clamp to see if the starter is drawing.

[@richardcranium5839]

first thought its a trinket , nice shiny bit of kit. after thinking about it the amp reading is a nice tool. like you say some mods are warranted. as for the banana ends i found adapters on amazon plus i got just the ends if i need to make up any of my own adapters

[@autodiagyt]

Yeah I'm gonna change the ends one day and the voltage and current meter built in is the best feature over other similar tools

[@AutoDITEX]

We at Ditex, can always replace female bananas with male ones if you leave a note with your order.

[@autodiagyt]

@@AutoDITEX that is very good to know!

[@cjmazdatech]

Old Honda B and D series engines rotate counter clockwise (timing covers are on driver side).

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

Very interesting video, tester and diagnostic, Jake! I would call it "relay test made easy" :-) Wonder if it was a faulty starter motor or the battery cable that went bad.

[@autodiagyt]

Starter got it running and then they found out it had a leaking head gasket.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

@@autodiagyt Thanks for clearing that out! Tough luck with the head gasket, but it couldn't be foreseen before getting engine started.

[@paulspeller968]

that’s is a cool bit of kit 👌 i like it . much better than my normal screw driver across the solenoid to the man live see if it cranks 🤣🤣🤣🤣 (well if you can get to the starter which on modern cars is a real ass sometimes )

[@calholli]

You can just grab some male to male banana adapters for super ch3ap and not have to recut those leads. I always keep a few male to male and female to female banana couplers in the kit. I bet they left those female ends so that it's less likely for them to short out when you hook them up.

[@arthurfricchione8119]

Sweet tool but when I see you with the hat I can picture you poolside in a lounge chair with a cold one .lol thanks for sharing catch you on the next one 👍

[@gaad7938]

IBU = Integrated Body Control Unit.

[@oldsilkhat7893]

The Hyundai/ Kia relays are ever so slightly smaller. I have a set of the switched relay loops for amp clamps, and they re the same way, really tight.

[@DependableAutoTruck]

wouldnt the Lisle relay test set do everything that one does

[@autodiagyt]

With the use of a meter and I'm not sure how you would see current flow.

[@dontaylor8272]

That tool REALLY needs a "momentary" switch when sending power across 87/87a. Like you mentioned in your video, if you leave that circuit energized, 32A in this case, things will start smokin! real quick. I'm hoping the tool has a built in circuit breaker or at minimum a fuse.?

[@AutoDITEX]

I want to mention that there are three protection circuits responsible for this specific case: • Short circuit protection • Current limitation • Thermal Shutdown.

[@howardiko7156]

Just a thought but the kit would be even better with a relay Noid light.

[@autodiagyt]

It's got LEDs to indicate things.

[@mikebenge9562]

what are the different in the aes wave uactivate relay tester???? nice never mind on answering the question I finish watching. da😁😁

[@autodiagyt]

Built in volt and current meter.

[@marlinyoung1606]

Didnt the early 2000 Honda’s rotate counter clockwise?

[@autodiagyt]

Not that I'm aware of.

[@NextLevelAutoDiagnosticsLLC]

I have a 92 Accord and it does CCW. But Jake is correct that most do spin clockwise. I believe older Honda B series and my F series were the only ones Honda decided to change it up. Great vid Jake!

[@autodiagyt]

@@NextLevelAutoDiagnosticsLLC yep you are right the 2.2 f series is counter clockwise. Now I have to delete my video for misinformation lol

[@NextLevelAutoDiagnosticsLLC]

@@autodiagyt Your content provides nothing but good info. 👍

[@CajunShrek]

Nice hat just add extended mustache 😁

[@philh9238]

If the engine was locked up wouldn’t the amperage on the tool be like 2 or 300 amps?

[@autodiagyt]

Not for the solenoid circuit. Just the heavy gauge wire from the battery to the starter.

[@dontaylor8272]

The amperage that the relay sees is just for the starter solenoid that sits on top of the starter, the high amperage you're thinking of is seen on the big B+ cable from the battery to the starter.

[@scotts4125]

Throwing this out there as maybe someone has an answer. I'm an automotive locksmith and I would say this started 2 years ago. We get calls weekly on brand new Hyundai's completely dead. On some cars if the battery is dead the emergency key won't unlock the door. That isn't just a Hyundai thing. Some Ford trucks and GM's do it as well. I'm not complaining as I can't tell you how many of those I get per week. I'm just curious why these new Hyundai's are completely dead. I had a customer tell me should would let me know what the dealer told her but I didn't hear back at least not yet. Even though we are locksmiths I have my guys carry jumper boxes to get them going. We run 80-150 calls per week so I am seeing a pattern as these come up so often.

[@autodiagyt]

I'm really not sure. I don't get very many Kia/Hyundai in my area.

[@dontaylor8272]

That's a great question! You might get a better response by posting this question on the Hyundai forums. I'm sure there are guys there that may already know the trend causing those issues. Mercedes is also a pain getting into if the battery is dead Thanks

[@scotts4125]

@@dontaylor8272 MB believe it or not are one of the easiest cars to get into. Keys locked in the trunk that's another story.

[@johnavila7942]

I like the hat , great job though 👍

[@CajunShrek]

15:34 it's a Kia ...bets on locked motor 😂

[@ws2664]

Old hondas with timing belts run counter clockwise.

[@DependableAutoTruck]

also wouldn't the uactivate do the same job

[@autodiagyt]

Yes but no voltage or current reading on the tool

[@ws2664]

I should be more specific, 4 cyl. hondas where the front of the engine face the driver side fender, 80's 90's. In regards to marine engines that would refer to bigger boats that run 2 V8 engines, boats that run chevy's and fords both rotate clockwise, boats that run chryslers only one turns clockwise the other turns counter clockwise, believe it or not I have run into this 3 times in my automotive career.

[@MrBeefsnorkel]

floppy hat gang

[@samrugtiv3839]

Honda is counter clock wise jake

[@autodiagyt]

Yeah someone else pointed that out

[@101thenuke]

Why is it not at Hyundai, surely under warranty. you did say 22 plate.

[@autodiagyt]

Hyundai has started not doing warranty work for dealers. They say the car has to be registered to someone for them to perform warranty work.

[@thepubliceye]

A test light would have done it quicker.

[@autodiagyt]

Yes and no. Test light can only give so much information. Test light is gonna require a wiring diagram that takes time to look up. This can basically show you what each pin is going without needing the diagram.

[@autodiagyt]

If you what my channel very much at all you know I love my test lights but sometimes there is a better tool for the job and when it comes to relays this one is pretty good.

[@EsssTeeeBeee]

IBU = Ingen Brain Unit /S 😂

[@autodiagyt]

🤣

[@truth4reel]

If you take yourself out of the picture or at least put yourself in the background when showing diagrams and service info it would be more beneficial for the viewers. Otherwise really enjoy the videos.

[@autodiagyt]

I usually will have a screen capture on my laptop if the circuit is complicated but this was simple so it's just screenshots from my phone.

[@richardcramer8792]

put the seatbelt on and press the brake pedal

[@realsdaddy]

Hyundai IBU=integrated body unit