This Video Will Change Starcraft II 2v2 Tournaments Forever.

[@uThermal]

Hope to see you all on February 8th for the next cup in the uThermal 2v2 Circuit!! Will stream it live on Twitch and upload our full run here on KZbin :) Thanks everyone for the love and support!!

[@flipllll6465]

Marc, love the vid and your casts generally, hope you consider also casting some of the other 2v2s in the tourny for your channel (even just the finals), it would be excellent content. Cheers!

[@AgentStang]

what time do you usually stream for any canadians to catch you on? I haven't been able to catch any of your lives :)

[@uThermal]

@ Easiest way is to join the Discord and follow the pings, I don't stream very often so it's hard to catch me by luck :P

[@Yakyayayeyak]

This series was amazing. Thanks Marc!

[@jetah50]

please tell me (some of) these tournaments will have "challenges" like you've done for some videos‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽

[@Koshak87]

Somewhere in heaven Totalbisquit (a notable unofficial tourney organizer himself) watches your 2v2 tournaments and smiles. I'm sure of this.

[@sucersdungeon]

John Bain. The legend. I miss him.

[@rankothefiremage]

EPIC!

[@kaiserschmarrn_3687]

Totalbiscuit died of AIDS.

[@kaiserschmarrn_3687]

If he hadn't, he'd have been impaled by ballot boxes of varying shapes and sizes.

[@iml8798]

Oh brother the memories of TB are so bittersweet, may he rest in peace.

[@muffinbutton8858]

Having the colors be orange/red and pink/purple for the teams was really nice. It was a lot easier to follow the action rather than the teams being the same color. Nicely done on this tournament Marc. Been so much fun to watch

[@denheer]

100% agree with this. Those color themes significantly enhanced the game's clarity for me, making it much easier to follow both the action and the players.

[@MrJerryArt]

what! For me it was the fully opposite. I rather much prefer two colors. I already know which race which player is with and on two colors it's best in the big and small fights. Four colors (and these exact ones) was like seeing 3 players only.

[@denheer]

@ Good to know, I was already wondering if this color combination might not be ideal for some people, especially considering the various forms of color blindness.

[@aurorasun-qs1pg]

Boys vs girls!

[@CamiloCBG]

Same color for a team is meh, as they were different races, we can tell who each player is (not in the mini map though). The best setup for me is when the colors are just slightly different within the team (e.g.: orange and red VS purple and pink is nice). If the colors are too different (like red and blue on the same team) then it immediately becomes the worst experience because it is ridiculously confusing.

[@zeraghtul6834]

I am glad that 2v2 is receiving the recognition that it deserves.

[@Jason-MOT]

Oh my god you're right this is actually so much more fun! There's just so much more action in general and just feels like the whole map is blowing up all the time lol

[@Mesos92]

Very cool that you got all four of them to test this out

[@bubbleeistee1761]

Very cool 2v2 games. Another idea to solve the mineral gifting problem is to start with a crazy tax, like 50%, and after each minute the tax decreases by like 5%. After 10 mins there are no penalties anymore. It would make eary feeding very ineffective and in the lategame giving teammates money still viable.

[@jtsoldier]

This is why I check comments before making my own suggestions.

[@BuddyWudzyn]

Man this was so awesome, such epic games. Extra big thanks to all the patrons and funders for this tournament as well as you, uThermal, for a great idea and cast and allowing us old heads to keep enjoying one of the greatest games of all time

[@过往不究未来不迎]

world class players world class commentator

[@boorockt]

First time I saw pros playing 2v2 it was totally hectic and chaotic. Seeing pros getting more and more used to playing team games indeed is an inspiration.

[@miguelsuarez5394]

So cool you got pros like clem and maxpax to play and develop the 2v2 SC2 game. You are quickly becoming a SC2 legend, if you're not already. Great work!

[@lbfilipino87]

Refreshed my KZbin homepage and I insta-notice a new uThermal vid? What a way to start the day!

[@Bortscht]

same here + i was looking for something good to watch while i can eat now - LOVE IT!

[@ErenisRanitos]

I just used this as a podcast because I love listening to your calming voice Marc. thanks a lot ❤

[@nyxtimene9917]

I was watching the production tab in the beginning and was mindblown at how closely each player had roughly the same build order and near perfect timing on when and what was queued. Amazing skill and lots of practice

[@stefan1397]

So happy you make this happen! Really awesome from the SC2 community as well to pitch in to increase the price pool! Totally hyped!

[@Phi1618033]

I'm liking the pro 2v2 games, so anything that can better balance it could only make it more fun to watch.

[@samuelwhx]

2v2 is exciting to watch! Its really interesting to guess what they are going to do next, from having 2 races.

[@mpckelly91]

I LOVE THIS CONTENT

[@hanshansen2925]

Love all the effort you put into creating an awesome 2v2 experience / tournament! Very enteraining to watch for sure, even though I know very little about SC2 :-)

[@EtheEvil]

OMG, I have been waiting for this for ever!!! Both the tax rules and for you to cast the first final

[@devin6272]

I'm so happy that you are doing this. I have been playing starcraft since I was a wee lad. My brother and I would squeeze into a single gaming chair to cast our own brood war games. Sc2 tournaments have been a large part of my life and team games always were my favorite mode with little support in tournaments. So I just hope you know that if it means as much as it does to me to just one more person this was all worth it.

[@foncareth7857]

im one more of all the 30+ yo out there that play SC2 with their homie since wings of liberty because 1v1 too stressful, and find this amazing, ty mark

[@foncareth7857]

i ment 2v2, but you get it xd

[@monsterhuntfreak2011]

Awesome work uThermal! Thank you so much for bringing 2vs2 into the tournament scene - hoping to get some better balanced 2vs2 maps with this ;)

[@Loriethalion]

This was cool, I would love more videos in this format!

[@MrMichaj]

Thank you for 2v2 series, i came back to Starcraft because of it! I had really nice games tonight after 4 years offline. You make a difference!

[@michaelisrael6558]

Marc I think you have paved the way for a new patch. No feed till 7mins. Also loving this 2v2 tournament you've created. I think the whole thing is just so damn cool. Thank you as always for making these videos ❤️

[@sc2enthusiast522]

Great video Marc, love the 2v2 format and the changes in feeding are great. Thank you for the amazing content

[@pelyphin0]

Sick games. I think you nailed it, Marc. Looking forward to watching you fine-tune this.

[@EtheEvil]

It's great to see the top players in the world joining the 2v2 scene! The talent u have in the pool is amazing

[@ddmdUp1]

would love to see gifting require a mechanic in the game (shuttling, beaming, or workers) that can be disrupted - epic games epic battles love the 2v2

[@jeffreyoverton3414]

Loving the 2v2 content, keep it up! It feels like you’re breathing new life into an aging game

[@Midi3e]

So much action, so much fun. Great teams and fantastic team play from all. Thank youuuuuu❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@NepTunez-ff9bp]

This video, goddamn. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Marc is my favorite commentator by far. I absolutely love his pro experience insights and his brand of humour. ... and it's a banger match with 2 top-level teams... and with the analysis of his tournament rules. I'm the last panel of the Vince McMahon meme right now.

[@leftstanding]

Wow that was amazing!! Feeding early game was the only problem but this solves it!! Fun fun fun~ :D

[@cleitonfelipe2092]

These games are so chaotically cool to watch, and the strategies and plays the teams can make are so many

[@lem2004]

Thing I expected from 2v2 is mixed/shared units, such as : - zerg sacrifice drone to build extractor for teammate. - medivac to heal zerg units - Scv to repair Protoss mech unit. - infestor-marine for fungal and stim. - offensive scan for blink DT/stalker or nydus worm - main base wall off with Terran supply depot

[@seanaldridgefrancisco8736]

I'm looking forward to this Marc. 2v2 needs some love as well!

[@mENTALdRIFTER]

i was going to make a normal comment joke, but wanted to instead say that I'm really loving the 2v2 stuff marc. thanks for making this for us, in this otherwise oppressive world

[@tatatatartine2588]

Thx so much for bringing life to 2v2! Its amazing: to play, to watch... it's just amazing! Next step would be make 2v2 tournaments with the "all races" mod. Just imagine the chaos 🤩

[@YourHouseKey]

I really enjoy 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4. Please make more. I think a Toss and a Terran is the best combination.

[@Deaven50]

Player colours are great as long as they're similar colours per team, like purple and pink. If purple and pink had been on opposite sides, it may have been more difficult to tell who was who. Given that pro 2v2 is still rather new it might not be a big problem, but at least its an easily prevented one.

[@papasmurf5665]

I know feeding is helpful to get your teammate back up but if it enables one person mass production, I'd rather just ban feeding all together. Thank you again for investing in 2v2 content!

[@Mr.Anderson-y2j]

Some awesome games! Thanks for keeping StarCraft interesting. 👍

[@Empty00Eyes]

10:40 Viking air-attacking lifted marines. Did not have that in my bingo card.

[@__Brandon__]

The timer is good because it doesn't change the opener timings. The percentage is good because it makes sure they continue to build infrastructure. By having both you can allow lower percentage while still preventing one person from building all the production buildings

[@corresandberg]

This is awesome ❤ Love it. What is better then 1v1 - Yeah 2v2 for sure. Mayhem and destruction. Love it ❤❤

[@bradleyesselman6124]

Way more complex but a time based tax scale would be interesting. Normal feeding window but at the 3:45 is 50% tax and then scales down to eventually 0 so in the late game you can help a wounded teammate rebuild without tax. Love the tourneys can't wait to watch the February tourney!

[@_narcosis]

uThermal just putting the whole SC2 community on his back with this push for 2v2

[@bradleyesselman6124]

Love that you are experimenting with the feeding rules!

[@MarkDD30]

Very active Uthermy!! ❤

[@marwen1983-t1s]

Good luck, dude. I’ve been watching you for more than 10 years

[@YogonKalisto]

love to see a forfun 4v4 progame as a novelty "icing on the chaos" as part of the 2v2 tourny. would probably need multiple casters or some kind of extrahead mutation to follow

[@iamfunboy]

You are inspiring, love all the hard work you put in.

[@Ty-bz7zx]

Bangin' !

[@bluesmrfboi]

great video appreciate the casting and the players

[@njdarda]

1h20m of top 2v2 action? thats a treat fantastic commentary too!

[@fran13r]

This is so much more fun to watch!!!

[@ezraclark7904]

Imagine the mothership core but it was just an Oracle, would have been a different world

[@deisum]

Marc, it's called the Stasis Cup for a reason. Awesome games, BTW.

[@onekata]

Crazy good, I have to agree it seems more balanced and that it is up to the players to come up with new strats of dealing with their enemies phoenixes

[@Rmmtube-b1c]

So much more exciting than 1v1! Excellent work

[@tlynch001]

it's cool you're getting the big names congrats!

[@TrentBattyDrums]

this is awesome uthermal. great games!

[@maximk9964]

2v2 really seems to inject some chaos, I mean some freshness into SC2 tournaments

[@Velisatra]

This was really cool to see, probably even useful to the players for another pro player casting it.

[@cainednd]

As a non-SC2 player but long time viewer of your channel and all your cheeses, my feedback to this experiment would be that the 7 minute delay games were far more enjoyable to watch than the resource tax games. As you stated, with the 7 minute delay, both players on both teams have to build their bases and participate in the fights. It is very boring to watch a feeding frenzy into Phoenixes and just seeing 1v1 where the player with the better ping usually wins. What I would have liked to have seen for game 5 seeing as this was purely experimental, would have been to turn off feeding altogether just to see all 4 players support each other both defensively and offensively. It then becomes a game where if one player is being targeted by both opponents, your teammate's responsibility to defend you becomes paramount to surviving or not. Anyways, regardless, this was a banger of an episode and all 4 players popped off! =)

[@numa_kai]

I love how trigger makes assimilators for clem XD

[@Soulless_Elf]

Me looking at the length of this video: "Aint no way I'm watching 1 hour 20 minutes video" Me 1 hour and 10 minutes into the video: "Ok, maybe I am... 😅"

[@plague937]

SCV collecting gas from the protoss building and exiting with a cube of vespene seems so cursed to me 😂

[@seldoon4298]

awesome vid, would love to see more like this

[@IamCrusaderRUS]

While variable tax over the course of the game would probably be best solution, it is probably impossible to implement, so i'd actually prefer something like what you initially proposed for last game: 5 min trade disabled + 10% tax. I think there always should be some inefficiency when feeding and it should be noticeable. Not sure if anything below 10% is noticeable tho.

[@luz_reyes_676]

in these matches, it is a little after 7min and 30% tax

[@kunzadar]

There might be some more interesting options for feeding. If all players could see how much resources were given then there could be information given, or mind games. Another option would be to implement lockouts after feeding. For example if you give resources to one player then you cannot give resources again for 2 minutes or something. The lockout discourages constantly funneling all resources. The feeding player could bank first, but that is inefficient.

[@Yngin]

Would be interesting for each game to add after the victory screen a list of how much was fed between team mates for each team, as well as how much lost to taxes 🤔

[@liameleven]

Another test I think might work is to have the feeding tax reduce as the game goes on. Enable transfers at 2 minutes with a ~50-70% tax, and every two minutes after reduce the tax by 5-10%. It might not be possible to configure it that way, but if it is, I can see it being a good middle ground where early strats are possible but discouraged, and late game recovery transfers aren't punished as severely/at all.

[@DieDruckwelle]

thanks for saving my sunday!

[@ihaveboogers6391]

Game 2 was an epic back-and-forth banger. Really fun format. I like the 15% tax to feeding. Like you said in the video, it forces all players to meaningfully participate in the game and use their creativity to gain an edge over the opponent. I don't agree with delaying feeding to 7 minutes because it seems overly oppressive, especially since either team can choose to feed their teammate. Feeding doesn't necessarily give an advantage to one team over the other team, especially in mirror matchups like this. The 15% tax was, in my opinion, the most balanced ruleset. Obviously, we need to see more 2v2s to be certain. XD

[@Nil-js4bf]

I'm amazed they broke the tank line in the first game. Sure maybe there's not enough buffer but still. Also shocked a reverse sweep happened.

[@mikemironov7551]

what a treat! Thank you!

[@DavidJohnsonFromSeattle]

Yeah, I can definitely tell what was going on with all the nuances and can make an informed opinion on the feeding...

[@samvito3338]

Very cool set of games. Love the 2v2

[@hreskayra]

Thermy starts as a SC2 commentator as a side quest confirmed? Do it! You can do as good or better than Winter and Lowko!

[@dkaigorodov]

@uThermal thanks for this tournament. One suggestion: use somewhat similar colors for players. E.g. blue and green for team 1 and red+orange for team 2, it would make videos much easier to watch

[@jacobmagill835]

love the 2v2!

[@gcl2783]

Banger of a series

[@ulrichwinkler722]

Swapping the naturals has also the advantage that you dont have to split your army to defend some drops. For example, it is easier to defend terran attacks where the terran attacks the natural, kills some workers, pick up its army and flies to the main. If you swap the naturals, you can defend your main and your partner his natural (or vice a versa). No army splits required.

[@lonewonderer1979]

Great matches. The rules seem to help protect the entertainment value of 2v2.

[@benjaminnafziger8737]

uThermal science! Hell yeah!

[@Mesos92]

Just a 15% tax? That would be great. We need that patch to hit IRL.

[@SquintyGears]

It only took 1v1 world circuit to get completely gutted for us to finally get 2v2. Best part of 2025 so far

[@XQlusive739]

I watched first match: I will come back later to this video to watch the rest. It's awesome. But im a gamer need to game too on Sunday XD brb

[@hogie48]

I have always enjoyed watching your videos, but the recent addition of 2v2 (and 3v3 / 4v4 as well) has been amazing. Totally agree that a all in feed build is rather boring to watch despite it being a winning strat. If at all possible, I would love to see a limit placed on the total number of shared resources. I dont think its possible (maybe with a mod?), but limiting say 1000/1000 being able to be transferred total would be really interesting as teams would have to determine when is the best time to pump that resource share. Do they use that early for a push, or do they save it for later to try and do a big closing push. Either way I do like the idea of limiting the resource sharing in some way because seeing one person from the 4min mark essentially not play kind of defeats the purpose of a 2v2. EDIT: For the 1000/1000 scenario, that could also be both team mates so 4000/4000 total for all players total. So maybe Player1 gives 500/500 early, then 500/500 a little later, and then Player2 gives 1000/1000 for a late game push and that would be both players total shared for that team.

[@luz_reyes_676]

Yea, and maybe have it just get taxed more and more the more you feed? Though, your idea is way more straight forward, I wonder what would make a good maximum limit to feed. Are we limiting the possible strats if we set it to 1000/1000?

[@perfectfire]

I want to see a 1v1 all-races tournament. Every match is best of 5 and each time you win with a race you can’t use that race again. I bet a lot of games go to the 5th game where you get to see each players’ worst races against each other. As the games in each match go on it devolves from super-clean high-level play to absolute clusterfucks.

[@itwasme2435]

That was really good. Thank man

[@macabrerapkz]

this was nice, 5 superb games!

[@StretchyDeath]

5m30s no feeding. Better for early recovery, but late enough to not boost 1st tech. I dunno if it's possible, but a tax that went down over time could be cool, e.g. 20% 5m30s, down to 10% 7m30s, down to 5% after 10m.

[@XtremeXiledHybrid]

honestly i want to see 2v2s with no feeding. i hate it

[@JasonRoush-u1q]

Amazing games! I love the 2v2 tournaments! My 2 cents. Resource sharing is not the problem. Clem needs to adjust. As a mass phoenix player in team games I can tell you mass Viking easily counter them but upgrades (attack, armor and range) are very important for both sides in this battle. Viking are also more useful late game than phoenix. I feel bad for Trigger because the Protoss ways to be nix are blink stalker and nix but are hard to do with high ping. Trigger was also behind on upgrades which made him lose the nix battle in last game. Clem could also counter by mixing mines or thor on "noob" mode. Phoenix are faster than detection so mines work really well for defense of mineral lines Thor are better for attacking because nix need to clump up to attack or will die easily to the marines. Battlecruisers also work really well in the mid game against the nix, carrier battles. Maxpax and Spirt are just the better team. We need to stop trying adjust the game around terrans refusing to make or use certain units. Thanks for the games Marc!

[@thomaschevrierlaliberte5884]

My suggestion (when asked) was always exploring team games. I thought it would be much more fun but this is yet way better.

[@jagdish6056]

i wish there was a mod that made it so trading could be done as early as the 1 minute mark but at a 90% tax. (so completely dumb and shouldnt be done.) but as time goes on the taxes go down as time goes on 3 minute (40%) 5minute (30%) 7minute (15%) and then 10 minutes-12 minutes drop it to 5-10% and if the game gets to 15 minutes? drop it to 0% they obviously are either making the best macro game. or scrounging and pooling what minerals and gas they can gather to make that extra tank or tempest. anyways ill leave it to the experts i just love to think of things and situations like this. Keep up the wonderful content, LOVE the 2v2's it makes for so much less formulaic stuff than 1v1's i think it also makes for some really interesting strats and combo's allowing for a more fun VIEWING experience which is likely 90% of the people interested in SC2 anymore. (still have those in the campaigns from GGG, and the people watching 1v1 streams with serral and all them. and then the arcade is still popular. but this would introduce a whole new world and a breath of fresh air to a stagnant game.)

[@ubarevilage]

This is how StarCraft II is meant to be played!