Value Bet or Check-Call?

[@BioSoldier53]

Daniel, you are a great teacher. Thanks again for another educational video. I appreciate you giving us some of your time.

[@cake_sesh6229]

yo, thanks for doing these on the regular, man. super informative and very appreciated.

[@markreilly2]

Another well thought video, the bite size nature is excellent to pick up on the fly a couple of times a week! definitely worth your effort, thanks!

[@dudedurham]

That's one of the best explanations of value betting I've ever heard. You're the man, Dan.

[@marz14n98]

Very insightful, Daniel. Thank you. I'm really digging these somewhat more in-depth strategy vids, keep em coming :)

[@Mattillmattic1]

Another day, Another video.. Thanks for taking the time to make these tip clips! #DanYouTheMan

[@Anteglio]

Daniel, not only you're a great resource for poker info and reviews, but also an amazing entertainer! Thanks for the weekly videos!

[@pokergreeny3458]

Hey Daniel, cool Hand Analisis, keep posting this kind of videos and vlogs of the tournaments you play.

[@adriankukla5959]

I love this series! Keep it coming ;)

[@veetikyllonen7522]

Love your videos! Keep them coming!

[@tylerbatten06]

Love the videos been watching you on tv since I was 11 or 12. Have played a little online and some cash games with my dads friends when I was younger but being 19 now I want to learn poker on a higher level these help a lot.

[@JMRSplatt]

Please Poker Stars, come back to the USA! We miss you!!!

[@dru713281]

There in New Jersey.......and it still sucks,

[@dru713281]

888 and wsop are the best.

[@euwesleysouza]

Do you guys can play online poker at 888 with the entire world? Or just with USA players? I'd like to play with americans.

[@xiaoouyang1811]

JMRSplatt 在

[@megajacksjj7024]

loving these vids thanks Daniel.

[@ted1000a]

Thanks for the vlog. I really enjoyed it and I hope you keep it up. Didn't even know you were starting a vlog until I heard on the troopers channel. I want to give a shout out to the trooper for telling me about this thank you

[@Tibavoleg]

I as a beginning player really like the video's on this channel!

[@Acyett]

Love the videos my man! It's about time you get it rollin' again, keep them comin hahah

[@christopherdemato8875]

Awesome. Thanks for all the knowledge.

[@christophert2778]

Hello Daniel, I was a Bad Beat Jackpot recipient last night, it was my very first, 1/3 no limit, quad 10's "vs" aces full of tens. My payout was 400 for the hand. I was not in the hand just tabled. Have you ever been involved in a bad beat jackpot? Love the vblogs . Chris

[@kromezer28]

My thoughts exactly. I definitely would have bet to try and get a call with those cards

[@jonashauser1604]

Hi Daniel! Good video. By checking the river you leave all your opponents bluff in their range and you can bluffcatch them? Also what do you do When/if you get raised on the river? Fold your top pair? It's a thin line to balance on, value vs pot controll. How would you size up the riverbet in this case? 50% pot?

[@1pkpkpkpk]

Love ur videos, keep up the good work !!

[@c_a_p_s]

Good shit, Daniel san, as always

[@garrettdinsmore2688]

Hi Mr. Negreanu, I was just wondering what to do if you have tried to take a stab at a pot on the flop and turn and he calls you. Should you take a stab at the pot on the river or check it and let him bet. Also, would you fold it if he bet the river, or would you re-raise him Thanks

[@Brancrisa123]

I will be in Vegas for the series.. It would be cool to meet and maybe play a round of golf or something. Do you still play?

[@jmchugh1483]

Daniel, It would be really great if you did a hand breakdown of your hand vs Gus on HSP.

[@svmohata]

Hi Daniel - any thoughts of reviving poker after dark or high stakes poker. i dont think i've learnt more on poker strategy than through just watching those games again and again (and for hsp, gabe's commentary too was brilliant)!

[@jean-francoislavoie2308]

Hi daniel i'm from Canada Quebec , Love you since i'm young i'm 11 , used to watch you on TV when i was 11 and really love you and your play and I see me in you I love you man ! I'm now 19 and still watch you ! Thanks for those videos , havn't played in a real table yet , but still praticing and winning on PokerStar fake money , Still need more practice , i'm planning to join up a real casino in Montreal and hope to put my talent in action , thanks for those videos if one days I see you in my path , hope to shake your hand! -Did

[@furdiebant]

Really good video Daniel, keep it up!

[@marlonsantana21]

Dan, I think on BB It's a 95% call, but what about playing OOP vs the original raiser AND the BB when you decide just call on the SB?

[@normastanley5853]

Excellent vlog !

[@superdave7507]

is your latest book still current\useful to use strictly on stars?...or too out-dated?

[@jamess4688]

Im warming up to your hand breakdowns... but it's hard looking past your profile pic.. when I see it, it reminds me of something........old.

[@redlinerecordings8928]

Was he trying to entice a bluff? I know that would be the only time I would check the river in that spot, maybe repping a missed flush draw

[@DenizCDemir]

this channel is amazing

[@Fallenangel92100]

I am not gay but I think I love Daniel Negreanu!!! NEVER STOP SMILING :)

[@VaiPoRaioQueTeParta]

hey daniel great video. i have suggestion tho. can you invite some of your friends to help you analyse some hands? for example, i would love to see gus hansen analysing some hands. just leaving the suggestion. keep up the good work :)

[@96PianoPlayer]

Hi Daniel. I agree with you but, what if Gentili had raised Harder's value bet on the river? I believe check-call is the right decision in this spot because it doesn't give your opponent the opportunity to bluff and it doesn't force you to lay down what in this case is the best hand

[@Brokenfret]

Daniel, any news on when and if PS will pull out of the Australian market? 888 have already left.

[@Brokenfret]

Yess looks that way, cheers mate. Sorry we didnt see you here for the Aussie Millions

[@n.p.d]

another great Polker Hands episode!

[@josephmagyar9258]

thanks for the video dan. are you going to stream on twitch anymore?

[@jpowell6418]

Seems like the check on the turn was deliberate to make it seem as he was weak, and wanted a bet to call on the turn. Maybe make it seem like a draw of some sort. Which makes sense on why he checked again on the river. He wanted the guy to bite and call whatever beat he threw out.

[@CaKayakFishing]

Daniel, what about betting the river and not having to show what he 3 bet oop with? Minimal importance these days as people open light in pos regularly?

[@winnerm]

I agree with Daniel,100% of the time you need to bet this spot and board texture for value. But still , you need to know how much . On this hand , you should bet a low value bet on the river , because the range of villain cannot call a big value , the range is AQ AJS 55-99. all of this hand will fold a big value bet.

[@liorrubin8456]

I think the guy with K10 thought he had a read on the other one. he was trying to induce a bluff and maybe he thought that since he checked both the turn and the river it means he caught a pair (8 maybe) and was trying to get it to a cheap showdown, therefore A high (which is fairly likely for either player on that flop) might turn into a bluff

[@CP-oo8mj]

Sure AQ has some showdown value and makes sense to check back. But how about all the other non-pair hands opponent would bluff when you check the river? KQ, KJ, QJ, K9, Q9 etc. It's not as clear cut decision as Daniel makes it to be

[@bobbykotick1163]

high rake is good for the players lol

[@XMotionVideos]

He's trolling you Dan. Ignore people like this

[@flashask182]

Oh please Daniel, pokerstars new rake system which you proclaimed to be great for players, raised the rake on almost every stake. You are clearly just a cheerleader for pokerstars, and fair play to you, they must be paying you well.

[@MurrayHerts]

People believe you said it on a podcast which was quoted elsewhere, maybe you should make a video to address it?

[@llionstephen8224]

games at stars are dead though..might as well go to the casino or play at betting sites in uk with no rake for nlh 6 max..say it straight with no twisted facts..the site is dead for the majority of people who study poker- that's my opinion.

[@MurrayHerts]

***** please put this in a video so people can be directed to it when they bring it up, thanks!.

[@filmg33333k]

At 4:47, I don't really get why Harder checking is a good move. Two possible flush draws out there, and the possibility of an A, Q or J on the river. It seems obvious that he's got the best hand (unless his opponent has A10), so why check it and give him the free card?

[@asherreich8299]

Craig Duffy what does he do if raised? Opponent's range includes 10-8s, 4-5s, J-9s, Qd-Jd and Ad-(Broadway)d. Tough spot. In addition, what does he do on the river if villain calls turn? He can't really go for three streets, but a check fold on the river is absurd. All in all I'm with Daniel it's not worth building too big of a pot.

[@Craig-wb4hc]

"increasing rake is good for the poker economy" - Daniel Negreanu

[@slotwinExcitement]

keep the info coming buddy👍👍☺

[@calebh6115]

you're the man dan!

[@fireburnsall]

You should call this Polker Hands.

[@Fjrpo]

why? ..what's that polker thing all about?

[@rolandkennedy80]

fireburnsall never funny once you have to explain it 😂😂

[@mantasvalciukas5734]

Dog Poulk is one of the most famous poker youtubers and he does a segment called 'Poker hands' which everyone suggested for him to call 'Polker hands' so the joke transferred to here as well.

[@lzdt]

No way. This has at least 10x more value than ANY single "HH review" from Polk.

[@danybandido]

Naniel Degreanu

[@eirik34]

I have a great idea! You should call this series "Polker Hands".

[@Napp_]

and if they raise after you bet river do you just call?

[@dankostov8420]

the poker hands joke is getting old... Great video Daniel!

[@flignar]

Are there any outdoor tournaments?

[@IamRayz]

You should call these episodes "Polker hands".

[@Mattillmattic1]

Mackinator why?

[@IZn0g0uDatAll]

Polk is a good player and youtube coach who on the side is also a complete egotistical douchebag and has an army of brainless dogs sucking his dick and attacking the people he is jealous of. So whenever Daniel posts something you have a mob of toxic morons claiming he stole the idea of breaking a hand on youtube from polk or that he claims rake favours players which is a dumb strawman polk made about a comment daniel made on which tables you should go as a casual and why. Think of his followers as the 4 chan kids of poker.

[@jerryvalentino1065]

I'm pretty sure Harder simply put Gentili on a flush draw or a turned straight draw that had no showdown value by the river and tried to induce a bluff and figured he'd give him a chance to do just that because that's the only way he could win the hand with Harder then snap calling

[@MrZakc]

What was it like playing with Stu Unger? Was he really as good as they say? i would love if you did a video talking about how poker was for you back in the 90's and what games exactly you played and how you started your bankroll, also why did you date Annie Duke?

[@MrZakc]

Daniel Negreanu and that would be super awsome. you have no idea how happy i am you responded to me 😃 im going to frame this and one day im gonna give it to my firstborn thanks so much for being so awsome

[@fred_derf]

Look up a documentary called _Kid Poker_ from 2015.

[@ristolaanemets7625]

Nice vid, Naniel!

[@langa77777]

One important thing that you didn't mention is that value betting the river opens the pot to a Tom Dwan style bluff with the AQ he could push knowing his opponent is playing the 10 and represent a A 3 or jacks or whatever. Not saying that this is a healthy way to play the game (especially in tournaments) but at least at my armature level we see these plays all the time.

[@iWantToGuitar]

Maybe he thinks that Mike doesnt have the 10 due to the action and thus not going to call any river bet, but perhaps gentili could turn a flush or straight draw into a bluff on the river?

[@jolaz69]

What if this guy value bets the river and he gets raised? What are you going to do with a one pair hand? In this case, you either have to hero call or fold -- neither is a fun option.

[@jolaz69]

I recently played a tournament where I raised pre flop with AJ in middle position. The big blind called and a guy behind me called. The flop came Q65 rainbow. The first guy checks, I c-bet, the guy behind me calls and the BB calls. A ten comes on the turn and it goes check, check, check. An ace drops on the river. The first guy checks. I'm pretty sure I have the best hand, but just in case, I check because I don't want to get raised off my hand on the river. The guy behind me thinks for a while and then decides to check. Lo and behold, the BB turns over QT for two pair. I don't know if that sneaky bastard would have raised the river, but I'm sure he would have check raised the turn denying me a broadway draw. Sometimes, you can never be too cautious.

[@ivanwong8281]

it is actually pretty clear he is trying to induce bluffs (lots of missed diamonds/hearts which he unblocks).

[@ilie1242]

Salut Daniel , spune mi si mie te rog care e urmatorul turneu la care Mergi ?

[@davida9234]

I'm definitely a fan of calling this "polker hands" because poker and Polk sort of sound... whose channel am I on?

[@travishedgpeth9810]

Gentili could certainly have KQs, KJs, and QJs. Each of those very well could have called preflop and flop and may bluff the river. In fact, I could see A4 or A5 betting here as well, in an attempt to push off AK or AQ. I agree that value betting is probably the right play, I just don't think it's quite as cut-and-dry as Daniel makes it out to be. Great concept to highlight in a video, though.

[@ashtonfuller583]

Maybe he wanted to induce a bluff

[@rudistorm3348]

great point.

[@jared_grey]

"What's up, guys? Dan Negreanu here..."

[@elvenbredx6012]

Also I like a lot not to show my hands at all, so winning without actually knowing on what I played my hands is a factor in my decisions, I Also fold a lot of flying hands just so no one sees my hand, So I would have bet a 225k on the river to win without showing the hand. I won a very very small tournament online 50$ and only showed 23 hands in whole tournament.

[@drew-pp9gm]

Where's tom dwan? .......Oh wait wrong channel. #savetom

[@furdiebant]

Dan Negreanu and Dan Polk are the best poker youtubers out there!

[@rubenmertens5973]

hej daniel much respect from your pro analises. I am starting to become a bigg fan of poker/pokerrelated book or events. Much respect from Belgium from raiserke21 on pokerstars ak ruben mertens hope you have a run good year in 2017. i had a great year in 2016 online at microstakes. what did you do when you are on a downswing and online keeps gettin those runner runner beats or never holdin isues. Hopefully it turns again because could it be because i removed my bankroll from stars to bank that my run good is over ??? like to hear your toughts because they are always real and honest grtz

[@chandlerdavis4733]

You should call this "Polker Hands"

[@pokeroptimo]

is he not gonna bet bluffs or what? you are only talking about the value bet range and not bluffs range

[@kossmass461]

HI DANIEL , HOW ARE YOU ?

[@niosocket1]

Gentinli could've had 45hh/67hh/QJhh/KQhh/J9dd/JQdd as well and he is definitely bluffing with these hands on the river. By betting you removing the opportunity to bluff from Gentinli. i believe it is very close to check or bet in this spot.

[@renatodearruda5452]

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[@cochiselol1232]

I like a check on the river more because I think he loses value in betting by getting raised too often

[@THEGLORYRISING]

there's another reason to bet that is more important... but meh... checking is the low variance route so whatevs

[@MrZakc]

That last one was a joke ive actually asked you before one time if you dated her in a PokerStars game you laughed i laughed we all laughed it was a bunch of laughs

[@_SjB_]

what if it was K4os?

[@NickLeonardi]

charlie day mixed with robin williams

[@IIIrandomIII]

If all the hands that they would bet is all the hands that they would call - you should be the one betting. Wow.

[@victorvaleanu]

spoiler alert: the password is dangerzone

[@kcts007]

surely a value bet on the river would have been the most logical of choices. AQ raises and when re raised he calls. Surely by only calling here most pairs are cancelled out of the equation so there isnt much for K10 to be scared of on the river. Unlikley he has A3 suited etc and on a board like that theres room for the A highs to call your value bet. also an 8 will undoubtedly be calling a river bet

[@chillian12]

You look like Naniel Degreanu

[@timionescu]

he keeps talking but all I hear is: "RAKE INCREASE IS GREAT FOR THE PLAYERS"

[@IZn0g0uDatAll]

If you are not smart enough to understand the point Daniel was making, which is absolutely not that dumb strawman polk made of it, you shouldn’t playpoker. It’s a game for intelligent people.

[@finaltable710]

I would of bet the turn

[@kcts007]

rumour has it daniel will reply if you're early

[@chri5784]

Wrong again.

[@KenoLee92]

love you dnegs

[@donny303]

Doug Polk thumbed down this vid

[@HarleyQuinn-fy6ll]

Look at my future husband, making youtube videos and all

[@HarleyQuinn-fy6ll]

a db how did you adjust your play? did you continue playing in casinos or went back online? my advantage of live casino play is that i am a woman (aka everybody thinks im of lower intelligence and play poorly) and I can read through 40% of people there. my disadvantage is that I'm hella nervous and thus drink too much to be able to play decent. sorry for the long post

[@fred_derf]

Harley Quinn, your nerves will go down as you gain experience. Stop drinking while you're playing. Alcohol will magnify your emotional state, so if you're nervous it will make you more nervous (until it makes you unconscious). It will also lower your cognitive ability and lower your inhibitions -- both of which are going to make you a worse player. Good luck. BTW: That wasn't a long post. This isn't twitter, there is like a 10,000 character limit here.

[@bebla8381]

I dont see you.. 3:39

[@jcgriffin4572]

yep yep

[@kuung3nn]

Get a intro bro!

[@HarleyQuinn-fy6ll]

[@marcelox2325]

Jesus! How you can be so bad at poker!!?? "If all the hands they will bet are exactly the same ones they would call, then you bet" lol

[@marcelox2325]

Sorry, as a general rule, this is absolutely incorrect. The correct would be: "If all the hands they will bet are exactly the same ones they would call, then..." you check/call, and extract a little bit more of eventual bluffs. However, this is also a very "hypothetical"/unrealistic rule , because any reasonable opponent never should have the same range for calling and value betting.

[@Wildfire00000]

I find it hilarious that you're arguing poker theory with one of the greatest players of all time.

[@marcelox2325]

Sure you do Chris, and that is exactly what dumb people do. You could read both statements above, use simple logic and try to learn something. But that is much harder, right? You would have to think... nah, just laugh...

[@Wildfire00000]

I'm not going to get into an argument with you, dude. It's completely fine with me if you want to call me dumb. You know absolutely nothing about me. All I said is I find it hilarious that you're arguing with one of the best in the game. His credentials are well established. How about yours?

[@marcelox2325]

Credentials? haha I just made a simple statement, based on simple logic, that anyone can verify... If Daniel says 2+2=5 and I say no, 2+2=4, you would believe him and ask for my credentials? Well, I can imagine why you think it is fine people call you dumb...

[@dannyhowe]

Daniel, you are a horror show. What % of your yearly buyins are put up by ps?

[@Arseizonmyhead]

Daniel, when are you going to change your t-shirt? Must be getting smelly by now.

[@superdave7507]

he prob has at least a dozen of them...