Valve makes a BIG move!

[@NerdNest]

Nintendo...Just Stop It! ➡ kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6SblHmph8-qoNU Anbernirc RG406V ➡kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXLVoHabjqtsopY What would YOU PAY for a Steam Console? ➡ kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6Krg51uoLt5bLs

[@X862go]

Moring bill hope your having a great weekend.

[@Nobe_Oddy]

you REALLY should watch our friend 'fan the deck's video from today where he covers the Valve lawsuit/arbitration topic and I think he hit the nail on the head for the real reason Valve made this change. it's too much for me to go into here but it probably has to do with lawsuits they're involved with currently and he points out that there is another change in the EULA about this change applying to all PAST and CURRENT "situations" (i.e. the lawsuit they are battling right now that could put an ENORMOUS HOLE in Valves wallet - it's insane!) - So I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you check it out so that you can tell your audience about it and we can all have a more mature discussion, and so you can do some of your own research before the next podcast and school everyone else LOL :D

[@kaisersoymilk6912]

LOL, the MiG Switch is not emulation, it's straigh up piracy.

[@CrassSpektakel]

The funny thing: In Germany you DO own the data and licences you buy digitally. Because consumer laws around here are pretty pesky, as soon as your EULA contains ONE SINGLE ILLEGAL demand it is completely invalidated and replaced with general consumer rights. Which basically means that EVERY EULA is downgraded to general consumer rights as it is basically impossible to write an EULA complying to German consumer rights. This does not apply to contracts between businesses, so if a private person buys a licence for eg Office he has different rights than a business. There was once a case where a software company actually managed to release an valid EULA claiming "it is not your property, it is just rented indefinitely." which turned into a boomerang because by renting indefinitely they also are required to fix problems indefinitely but can not cancel the rent because you have already paid for it. BAMM!

[@baraka629]

Das stimmt nur teilweise. Die meisten AGBs haben salvatorische Klauseln. Diesel sind im deutschen Gesetz/BGB anerkannt und haben die Wirkung, dass undurchsetzbare Bestimmungen durch angemessene, durchsetzbare Regelungen ersetzt werden, die dem ursprünglichen Zweck möglichst nahe kommen. Google mal Salvatorische Klausel.

[@zanmaru139]

@@CrassSpektakel ok. So what happens when an mmo goes under in Germany and it's physically impossible to keep the product functioning without great expense?

[@luisarturohernandezramirez5910]

​@@zanmaru139 I guess bankruptcy is the only way out in that case

[@xXBRgamesXx]

Or just give a short maintenance period

[@WolfHeathen]

@@luisarturohernandezramirez5910 That would be moronic, even for the EU.

[@PropaneWP]

Using words like "buy" and "purchase" when there's no transfer of permanent ownership to the payer is in fact false advertising.

[@LCJammer]

new rule literally makes no difference, just changes the words around.

[@AltCutTV]

Future "purchase" button will say: "Buy Indeterminable Timed Rental"

[@sihTdaeRtnaCuoY]

You could easily argue that you are buying or purchasing the license, so the wording would then be acceptable. But I don't agree. I think it should be explicitly stated that you don't own the game the same way that you would own a physical copy. I also agree with the video that it should be no different than a licensed physical product. The company running out of the license should mean they are no longer able to sell it, it should not mean that the consumer is no longer able to use it. I don't see why anyone would be able to take back something you purchased just because it's digital. That should never be possible under any circumstances.

[@slaapliedje]

​@sihTdaeRtnaCuoY Yeah, it is almost as if all of the companies out there came up with this grand plan to make sure no one actually owns anything, and that they can continually get people to buy / rebuy the same thing over and over again... there is a reason why sites like GOG became popular. DRM free stuff is about the closest you can get to owning digital content, just make sure you backup your library! This is also why I refuse to use online storage for anything other than sharing, because you never know when/if they will just kill the service and you lose it all.

[@joshuadisimone9618]

You mean Steam licenses? It's a permanent purchase of license for the lifetime of the service. :)

[@FanTheDeck]

So technically forced arbitration is enforceable in US. What happened here was that law firms used a tactic called "mass arbitration" to put the pressure back onto Valve. Valve tried to sue the law firms in retaliation but that was dismissed by the courts. As a result, Valve has removed the forced arbitration clause to avoid being hit with mass arbitration in the future.

[@NerdNest]

Why haven't you all subscribed to @FanTheDeck yet? He's sooooo close to 100K

[@X862go]

I finally got to try sports ball with you and bill it is hilarious I love it. How do we force Russ to be announcer🤣

[@RannekoPlays]

So basically forced arbitration turned out to be bad for Valve instead of just bad for customers, so they got rid of it.

[@niceleverace]

​@NerdNest too much energy imo.

[@Tooob]

Some more information: 85k arbitration cases have already been filed against Valve. And additional 75k cases by another firm may have been filed too. The cost for each arbitration is $3,000 and Valve agreed to pay for it in the prior terms of service. That's potentially $500 million in arbitration fees even if every case was decided in favor of Valve. Settlements are under offer which are less than that and Valve might have to accept it. This is a learning experience for all companies using arbitration thinking they can screw the customer. Did you know that arbitrators do not have to consider the law when making their decision?

[@SponsoredbyPfizer]

If purchasing isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t theft.

[@Andulvar]

Leasing a store isn't buying it. That's what games are. It's a lease or a renters agreement. Do you think you own the landlords property because you pay rent? Even if you buy your own house, you don't own the land it's on. The government does.

[@synnical77]

That is the stupidest saying I've seen on the internet in the last year.

[@folkisthuglife9805]

@Andulvar Then why would they use words like buy and purchase in the storefronts? If it's renting, then make it clear.

[@sergeykish]

Purchasing of material objects does not give permission to redistribute copies. If your intentions are honest than support Free Software, there are gems like Mindustry.

[@ssgtblackmamba7991]

For anyone defending the shit these companies do...tell me what the alternative is if I don't want to opt into this "renting" bullshit... If there is no alterna, then fuck off and I'm pirating. If the law won't protect me as a consumer, I'll protect myself. I'm a European and won't accept getting bent over by companies just because they can. Shit service is the reason people pirate....Come at me with real numbers/facts and change my mind. This is the reason Netflix made pirating shows/movies drop, then the splintering of services and anti consumer practices made it go back up.

[@Phemruto]

Fun fact is under Australian law, you cannot by right of of being an Australian citizen waver your rights on a legal document, This agreement is null and void. Hence why Valve changed all their policies after getting Sued in Australia and losing.

[@neonshadow5005]

Judges in the U.S. that I've read about have also struck down that as a defense, saying the same thing. You cannot be forced to surrender your legal rights, especially under duress/hostage taking. One company even lost this multiple times but still added it back into their TOS after that. Hilarious.

[@vi6ddarkking]

Oh, so you say I don't own my games hum? Well its a good thing I keep my pirate hat within arm's reach, then.

[@JDabz96]

Same! Abandonware is amazing too! Once you figure out how to install them, just got xmen orgins wolverine working at a locked 60fps with 7w tdp, abandonware is so cool, but yea, arghhhh for the new games! ☠️

[@LaraxusArt]

If purchase doesn't guarantee ownership, piracy is not theft.

[@doovplayz]

@@JDabz96 literally about to download this on my oled deck

[@ProtoType4588]

@@JDabz96 search up nolfrevival those are 2 awesome abandonware games wish no one lives forever 3 would come out but rip

[@GOODEUSMAXIMUS]

Pirates will save our past

[@NoX-512]

Imo, the best way to deal with Nintendo’s ridiculous behavior, is to completely stop talking about everything related to Nintendo. Stop giving them free publicity and stop buying their stuff. Buy games like Palworld instead. The same goes for live service games. In the past, it was never a problem for gamers to run their own servers. Don’t support games that become unusable if the company take down the in-house servers.

[@bionicseaserpent]

@@NoX-512 go tell that to the fortnite children then.

[@05Matz]

Indeed. I just feel like I need to do something more, but there doesn't seem to be anything I can do right now.

[@jamiemoss5983]

Or get every government in the world to get Nintendo penalised for anti consumer behaviour

[@05Matz]

@@jamiemoss5983 That would be something to work on in parallel, yes. Unfortunately, this would require an effort at least on par with "Stop Killing Games" (a reminder that that exists, go check if there's an action active in your region), all to reign in one company.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

or, you know, we could just force them to behave. that way we'll get to keep both the games, and the rights.

[@arnoldmerks]

At 7:57 Are you aware of the stop killing games movement by accursed farms? Because this is exactly the goal of stop killing games movement that is happening right now, there is a European citizen’s initiative open for signing (of course for europeans). Stop killing games also has it’s own website.

[@NerdNest]

Yeah, we covered it on the podcast.

[@Aken0o]

@@NerdNest @arnoldmerks I live in Belgium and I've signed it. It doesn't fix all the problems but at least it's a move on the right direction

[@GamePlayuh9510]

Would have signed it myself, if I could. The only thing I don't like about it, is I don't like going through government to fix _anything._ Especially since it could have been avoided, if customers didn't eventually become mindless consumers. Guess I can't say too much, since I was under the impression for a long time that online purchases were owned too. I just hope that if Stop Killing Games gets done what it needs to, that people don't become complacent again. It's clear these companies need to be watched like a hawk.

[@Aken0o]

@@GamePlayuh9510 unfortunately most ppl will always be mindless customers. I mean we are passionates right ? so that kind of things we think twice like in which platform I should buy this game: "this one will do better and at least I own the game". But most of non passionates will just be like oh that game looks cool i'll buy it, oh it's cheap here let's go lol. I think it's like food. If everyone is allowed to put any amount of sugar or salt in their food they will put the maximum you can tolerate. The result of that is obesity, diabetes etc... here in the EU at least we have more control on the amount of sugar you can put on industrial food. In Japan they don't allow anything on drink dispensers here in Belgium it's full of coke, fanta, sweet beverages :/. Sometimes a little government kick is good but you are right bro !

[@GamePlayuh9510]

@@Aken0o It really does seem like if you want most people to act rationally you have to mandate it from the top down.

[@Dragoninja833]

You missed 2 things on the Valve legal stuff. 1. people wanted to do a class action lawsuit, but couldn't via steams ToS, so instead they all got together and disputed steam via arbitration at the same time, there was more than 750,000 of them. Per steam's ToS, steam covers the cost of arbitration up to $10,000. That is why they removed the enforced arbitration. 2. The reason that ToS covered your whole screen is that it clearly states if you want to come after valve legally, you have to delete your account. If you do not delete your account, you accept their terms and therefore cannot sue them. That means the 750,000 people that wanted to get together to make a class action lawsuit, will now dwindle down to nothing, given that a lot of those people will either continue using steam, making them ineligible to participate in a lawsuit, or people will simply decide it is not worth losing all their games and willfully withdraw from the lawsuit.

[@aqua-bery]

Wait so people still can't sue valve?

[@jackwiththefish2973]

​@@Dragoninja833 the new agreement has no option to disagree, therefore it's not legally binding. It's an underhanded way of tricking people into getting out of the arbitration to make it so they don't have to cover court costs on so many cases. This "agreement" is not an agreement if it's involuntary

[@internisla]

@@aqua-bery Not quite. They have the general gist of things, but stumbled on the details. In order to avoid being buried by mass arbitration, Valve has changed the Steam ToS so that any disputes with Valve must be litigated in court - specifically, the courts in King County, Washington. Entering into arbitration is no longer an option under the new ToS. The kicker is that this change is retroactive, meaning that all those people lining up to bring arbitration cases against Valve have to (theoretically) choose between dropping their arbitration cases and keeping their Steam accounts, or closing their accounts to continue pursuing arbitration. Although I don't know why they would choose the latter, given that under the new terms they can drop their arbitration cases and bring a class action suit instead.

[@justinseans]

So I think Steam Deck/Steam OS are viable and will long outlive the Steam Controller and the Steam Machine.

[@Theviewerdude]

Just got a steam deck and it's more than viable. I don't even really need or want a desktop now.

[@Peglegkickboxer]

Steam deck is viable long term like the valve index is. It's been 5 years, and it's still one of the best headsets on the VR market.

[@arturbier]

@@Peglegkickboxer Is this a joke? Index has been outdated for a long time

[@XGD5layer]

​@@arturbier My 12-year old high end pc is still viable, it all depends on what you want out of it

[@MadsterV]

@@Theviewerdude My deck is doubling as a desktop PC when needed.

[@donnydarko7624]

If you don't own the digital copy then you can't actually Pirate it, imo.

[@yesthatpaul]

The reality is that traditional capitalism is obscenely ill-equipped to deal with the internet. Always has been. Always will be.

[@MadsterV]

@@yesthatpaulas a society, software and telecomms are very new and we're still figuring them out.

[@azenyr]

"If buying isn't owning..."

[@jong2359]

@@MadsterV software has been popular in society since 1300-1600 AD. Insurance policies were the first software known to man. Buying an immaterial thing delivered as a service. You are 724 years wrong.

[@reiniermoreno1653]

​@@jong2359If we are going to be strict then we have to count the invention of books Also insurance isn't immaterial, at the end you get money (if you don't get scammed by insurance companies in the process)

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

You DO own digital games. You own the license, which has always been the case. What you don't own are servers and source code. That said, what NOBODY calls out is that there is legal precedent from the days of cdkeys that you can resell or transfer ownership, and digital stores are an end run around your rights because they manage your license instead of you. You bought it, you own it. Digital stores are breaking the law. This is why steam had forced arbitration. Now if nobody is going to recognize that, nothing will happen, but a good lawsuit could massively restore user rights.

[@Webendowed]

All games should be 'owned' not licensed. Buying (purchase lease) should be permanent or give refunds period. No time period for refunds.

[@chatboss000]

If a game is released for Windows 10, via purchase lease, and then windows 11 comes out and breaks it...should you be able to demand a refund for a game that effectively can't run on a platform that didn't exist when you bought it? Ownership isn't just a boon, it is also a responsibility and a burden. If you want the benefits of lifetime ownership you have to deal with the burdens of lifetime support yourself- and purchase leasing does not promise lifetime support so idk why it should have a lifetime refund policy attached to it?

[@rossta3949]

​@chatboss000 if the game doesn't work because of the consumer that's on them, if the game company deletes or makes the game unable to work that is on them. If they no longer wish to host servers they need to leave it open source for others to do so.

[@andrewlinn7863]

>All games should be owned not licensed What about game rental? You would outlaw this.

[@tronam]

You can’t “own” it because none of the assets or IP belongs to you. Their intellectual property is being licensed to you by the rights holder. This is actually true for physical media too, but at least in that case you own the piece of plastic the content is written on.

[@Superabound2]

​@@chatboss000don't lock your game to a specific OS

[@anthropicPanda]

We should get significant price cuts for these “licenses”

[@chatboss000]

you do though. digital storefronts do crazy sales all the time. Epic and Origin(for a time) give you games for free.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

that doesn't solve the problem whatsoever.

[@Soar-hw2rw]

Man Valve makes a come back this year. It is like a sleeping giant is awakening.

[@malikkelly]

A comeback? From what?

[@punkDTH]

Only u dont hear from them for anspecific time , that Not means There Not cookingnsomthing^^

[@continental_consumer]

They've always been huge, just not in hardware. The entire point of the steam deck is to increase steam sales by introducing console players to it.

[@Maedhrossss]

They're skipping optimization steps on games using the raw power of the new hardwares. That's why we keep seeing these recommendations getting higher and higher. Gone are the times were coding to metal were important. They have no machine to aim to run well there anymore. Everything is a pc nowadays.

[@reiniermoreno1653]

Well, people do not program in bare metal since high level languages were invented and they have been around since the '50s

[@illuminerdy]

I buy from GOG or I buy a copy and then sail the seas for a cracked version

[@jynxce]

Loss any idolization of Nintendo over a decade ago. They've been this way since the 80's, but some confuse their saccharrine-enriched products w/ the ruthless, litigation happy, and money hungry corpo that they are. Enjoy the product, but never the corpo sycophancy.

[@maddoggaming1171]

Spot on

[@elefant2934]

It’s lame because I know I bought Okami HD for switch only to have it deleted from my account. And I just bought a bunch of switch exclusives digitally and a bit worried about their future proofing, especially since they were basically full priced.

[@linuxrant]

Some people expected such things to happen, so they came up with bringing ownership back to the people by an unexpected license. It is a free license called GPL, every software under it is considered a USER FREEDOM respecting license. It's what is fueling penguins, also known as the GNU/Linux OS :)

[@gamergate2.0andbooks]

Nintendo is abusing the copyright system

[@sunnydelight52978]

The steam agreement came up as I was playing a plauge tale requiem on my steam deck. But it didn't take me out of my game. It came up, I agreed and then it went away. I can say if you were on steam deck, it probably didn't kick you out of your game. But I might be one of the rare ones not effected by it.

[@JessicaNeidingHaverly]

@sunnydelight52978 it kicked me out of my game. It was only Brotato though.

[@korysovec]

One good thing with Steam is that we get the game files, unlike on consoles, meaning even if Steam stops existing, we can backup all our games onto a server and play them with a crack or something. The downside is that we still need a crack. Would be nice if Valve provided some sort of offline key that would allow us run the games even without needing to login to Steam first. I do backup my game files onto a server to move my games between my computers/steam deck and because I only have 1tb SSD anyways, but it would be nice to be able to do that while offline.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

wdym? you do get the files on consoles. the problem is that you can't crack games that rely on a server, and that's not a problem specific to consoles.

[@Focal_Paradox]

"Live service games" are a no buy (or should I say, no rent) for me. I no longer choose to play games that have a live service (server) aspect to the game. Publishers/Developers beware. I will just spend my money elsewhere. If you want my money, provide me with a service that I want.

[@LaraxusArt]

It can be done well. Games like Helldivers 2 do things/structure things in ways that wouldn't be possible in a non-live-service game. The monetization isn't greedy (in fact the free premium currency they drop in game for you is extremely generous), and it allows the game to grow and change and evolve a galactic war front in real time. Live service definitely can be a black mark on a product, but there are ways it can elevate one too. Sadly it's usually the first option.

[@ancientflames]

Kinda bad take. Tons of awesome games require online or always online components. Sure the servers might not exist in 20 years but will you care then? Big doubt. You’re paying for the experience here and now. No one is gonna take it from you. You can play the game as long as it exists, and when it doesn’t your copy is meaningless anyway unless it’s a physical collectors item.

[@revanisalive]

i kinda agree but for example Sea of Thieves I paid $40 and played 1500 hours. if the game died today I wouldn't feel scammed.

[@rossta3949]

​@ancientflames people still play Runescape, Diablo, Halo 2 and WOW.

[@nathancooley8459]

@@rossta3949 RuneScape and Wow still bring in money to pay for their infrastructure, they will both eventually die. The original PC release of Halo 2 no longer has any multiplayer because the servers are down. Diablo and Diablo 2 were entirely peer-to-peer and afaik did not use servers or could use self hosted servers.

[@TheElectricCherry]

Sounds like coercion, “agree or delete your account”

[@wirlogx]

If companies staring to launch games exclusively for Linux and gamers start to move to that platform to play their videogames. We might have a massive migration of users in the future considering the requirements Windows 12 is promising to have like the always on the cloud and the NPUs (I'm not fan of Arch though)

[@digitaldonovin1189]

I like how you get right into the news and dont have like a 1 to 2 minutes edge sesh before getting into the topics. You got my subscription.

[@DuckyDoGaming]

Crap like this is exactly why I haven't given money to Nintendo since the wii u era. I have more than enough games on other platforms to cover me

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Sometimes I think piracy is wrong. But even Jesus pirated fish and bread.

[@msintal1308]

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 wine too

[@yourmaker8786]

he pirated for the poor. we should all pirate for the poor. like jesus.

[@robertomoreno3364]

What a not Sense statemant, You don't fear God?

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

@@robertomoreno3364 I do. I am a believing Christian. And I believe that God can tell the difference between mocking him and a lighthearted joke. If such jokes make you uncomfortable, don't engage with them. But I assure you there is no Biblical commandment against them.

[@robertomoreno3364]

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Ok, but really, although I understand the joke as you call it, I don't think it's good to make jokes that involve God with things that he didn't do or that make it seem like he did something that isn't right, whether we like it or not, hack as you please. called is something that is not Legal and is not really Ethical, unfortunately I have done it, but God cannot sin and Jesus Christ is God manifested in the Flesh and without sin, I consider Blasphemy to relate his name with an illegal practice (even when it is not the you look so bad)

[@mart182003]

It really grinds my gears you buy a game and it’s not yours wtf? Keep giving us reasons to sail the high seas go ahead.

[@ancientflames]

I mean it’s in the user agreement. You are not buying a game. You are buying a copy. It’s more like a movie ticket that lets you keep seeing movies so long as they are in theatre. A copy of a game lets you keep playing it so long as the servers exist (online) or company exists (offline) Everything has an expiration date.

[@mart182003]

@@ancientflames If I was told you are allowed to play the game as long as we allow it, I would not pay for it and I’m sure millions of other wouldn’t either. Like I said if I have to sail the high seas I will, I’d rather support the industry.

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@ancientflames "You are buying a copy." Every game, even physical CD's, is a copy, dipa**! xD

[@GamePlayuh9510]

@@ancientflames There's no reason for that limitation to exist on digital media. So long as computers exist, the game should be able to exist, and be playable. I'm not sure what you get out of arguing for the customer to have _less_ rights.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

how will you pirate a game that doesn't work?

[@budthecyborg4575]

My GoG library is just as big as my Steam library. GoG actually puts work into making classic games compatible with modern systems, lots of old games on Steam don't work but the GoG version does.

[@stevenstark-com]

the agreement thing sounds to me like the good ol 'delaware c' contract, standard across most us companies as a default

[@LazyKryptonian]

maybe youtube need to change their policy. granted it dont fix nintendo mess but it can probably help content creators

[@maddoggaming1171]

They really should. In the US you are innocent until proven guilty. It is up to the accuser to PROVE you are in the wrong, not “oh I’m unhappy with your success so I’m just going to mass report you and see if you have the guts to fight it”. KZbin’s current system is so anti consumer and pro corporations it’s insane.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

​@@maddoggaming1171 you're saying this as if it's some kind of oversight on KZbin's part, as opposed to intended design.

[@TommyCrosby]

Wow, the new agreement poping during gameplay is wild, for me it happened as I was making a purchase lol.

[@taxman3749]

If valve was to offer an operating system, I would switch to that instead of any Microsoft product.

[@continental_consumer]

What about SteamOS? I dont know if theyve actually publicly released a download cuz im not really up to date on pc stuff.

[@GamePlayuh9510]

@@continental_consumer This is what I want to know. I'm sick of Windows, and I'm not touching Apple with a 10 foot pole. I'll learn more about linux if I have to, but I want to be able to game on it.

[@fragbomb]

​@@GamePlayuh9510 I mean steamOs is just modified linux, you can definitely run most singleplayer games on linux with proton

[@PopsHowTo]

You own it if you sail the high seas arrrrr.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

have fun "owning" games you can't even launch.

[@Ratorix]

this California Law should be retro active, all game "buy" before should be fully given to the player... it's will be beautiful to see this company be the one screwed for once.

[@lanedj801]

Russ should open a second channel so that he has an off shore place to have a voice and reside if things go south

[@maddoggaming1171]

Sadly it would only be a very temporary solution because if youtube strikes your account so you can’t stream and you go and livestream on an alt account you can be flagged and potentially banned for trying to circumvent the system. So if Nintendo finds his new account and reports it even once KZbin would probably strip that account away immediately too (if the first one was banned). Imo

[@KWPZ21]

He said back then that he will do this KZbin thing for 5 years and see if it will be still worth it to do after that. I doubt he is going to restart if his account get struck for the 3rd time. What's happening to him now will just make him quit sooner.

[@neonshadow5005]

Companies that have tried force arbitration as a legal defense when the user or customer sued them anyway, have had it struck down. Judges have ruled that you cannot be forced to surrender your rights to legal action especially when you are being held hostage (i.e. loss of services, etc). Companies are just hoping you don't question it.

[@melissablick779]

Some of my friends are content creators and huge nintendo fans. However, Nintendo treats them very poorly, and doesn't seem to realize they are benefiting and not harming the brand. I've decided to no longer support this company that has it out for my friends and still do not own a Switch.

[@woozi36]

So digital storefronts are probably going to come up with a new thing where you can only “rent” a game for 4 or so years. Don’t be surprised if it comes.

[@RyudoFanel]

I'm more afraid that there will be people out there who would willingly and mindlessly play along. And some fanboys who even defend it :/

[@Jmvars]

@@RyudoFanel As always. There's going to be the loud minority that complains about it but all they need to do is hunker down, wait it out until it's the norm, and customer rights gets another nail in the coffin.

[@CD-vb9fi]

I will NEVER give them money for that.

[@CyberClu]

This is great advertisement for GoG! They're player numbers and growth is potentially going to skyrocket because of this.

[@ancientflames]

@@RyudoFanelif I can buy any new game for $30 instead of $70 and just rent it for 6 months I’d be happy to do that with most games. Sorry fanboys but I’m never playing god of war or almost any single player game ever again. I got better things to do. So rent, used or sale is what I’m looking for.

[@Braker189]

I recommend that Rus backs up all of his uploaded videos( if he hasn't already). That way he can future proof and move all of his work to another website if need be

[@Pelicanzzz]

The ability to sue is largely about the ability to form a class action. Individual arbitration isolates a sole consumer into a position of weakness.

[@Soosheon]

That subscriber agreement popped up during the final fight of an Overwatch match.

[@s7r49]

i love valve. they are the best modern gaming related company ever and I hope they keep on doing what they do

[@s7r49]

the message got me killed in deadlock and pretty much ruined my whole 30min game. but i was happy to read the TOS changes they were awesome so I forgive them

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

remember: corporations aren't your friends.

[@s7r49]

@@arsenii_yavorskyi yeah no doub.t i mean they only changed the TOS because they didnt want to pay a million arbitration fees. but I still love valve and I like to think that the TOS being better for consumers makes them a better company. even if it wasn't their intention to be better

[@tadlautner]

Limited Run Has made a pretty good business on making digital in to physical form. But if its playing with any one online your "Game Over" as they say. Super informative thanks!

[@AdmiralBison]

How many would be willing to buy a more expensive DRM-FREE version of games alongside the usual one? It's be a win-win for consumers and corp publishers.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

not that many, unfortunately, because most people don't think far enough ahead to see the benefits of this.

[@juanitovonbumblepantz7252]

I was in Killing Floor 2 when the notification kicked me out. Luckily, the wave had just ended 2 seconds before

[@dunar1005]

6:35 this was always the case, even in the 80s. You never bought the product but trust a cartridge or CD to transport the data.

[@Nick-L4D2-Z3n]

Agreement in that I don't own the product/game/car/whatever that I have purchased should go the both ways and benefit consumers as well. For example I have purchased a game and for whatever reason the company decides to shut down servers or pull the game out of my library and with that action makes the product/service/licence (call it whatever you preffer) I have purchased unavailable or unplayable/unusable to the end consumer, I should have equally right for a refund. It is a simpel rule of any agreement/contract. Just compare it to the working contract or any other (purchasing) contract even between companies or company/consumer(no oone would ever accept buyuing pans that could be taken away any time and under any conditions, it is absurd what companies are pushing on the consumers these days). This is in no way acceptable and takes the balance between seller/service provider and consumer/buyer. Another good example is the ISP service. The pr same goes there. If your internet connection is not usable you have and should have the right for the contract termination and a full refund. And forcing "new" terms of agreement should give no right to steam or any other company advantage over me as an end consumer, as it forces the consumer into the situation that all your invested money is gone forever even if you don't have the access to the product/game you licenced for. Just another not so even clever way to evade laws.

[@cunawarit]

I for one will be immensely glad when Windows is no longer the norm for PC gaming.

[@madmyc6836]

So I think that everyone who buys a game that is only playable online should understand that eventually the servers will go down. That is just the nature of online games due to the continued cost of running the servers, doing updates etc. but I do think that digital games that are single player only should be available for download to purchasers as long as the company exists.

[@ancientflames]

Heck I bought some digital games on Amazon 12+ years ago and I still have access to those codes on Amazon despite several of the companies not existing anymore.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

bullshit. it is NOT their "nature". you can, and in fact, it's easier to design a game without company's server as a hard requirement.

[@betatester03]

If Nintendo is harassing a bunch of KZbinrs and personal site owners, seems like a class action law suite might be in order.

[@jonmcf2592]

The steam notice happened while I was in vr and was confused of what happened at first

[@enorma29]

remember how cartridges for the n64, gba, etc could hold your save data? then it is possible to distribute WRITEABLE physical media. every console should distribute every game in the physical format which can also hold game updates, dlc and the user's saved data.

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

So cartridges then? Those are super cool, and with SSD technology, they'd far outperform and outlast optical media. But corporations, especially in the US where the push for all digital is coming from, can't control that so it won't happen.

[@JuiceBox000]

Remember folks; If purchasing isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t theft.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

how are you going to pirate a game that doesn't work?

[@Rycel2001]

"If you can't hold it, you don't own it."

[@andreanastacio9548]

Lack of hardware inclusivity in pc gaming (in other words high minimum and especially recommended requirements) has always been the biggest problem with pc gaming as a whole IMO, especially when the kind of hardware required to run modern AAA games is so damn expensive. Alot of people don't particularly care about graphics, and would probably be happy to compromise visuals, if that were to mean they'd be able to play AAA games at a playable framerate and a decent resolution, on someting like a laptop with an iGPU, which is probably the kind of hardware most normal people own nowadays. I mean the switch has been highly successful, and it was vary underpowered even when it came out, yet there were some vary respectable switch ports of some high profile AAA games (such as doom eternal, or nearly anything that was ported over by saber interactive). I genunly hope that as the Steam deck and it's windows counterparts continue to grow in popularity and marketshare, that more and more devs realize the importance of supporting low end hardware, because buying a 1000€ pc every 4 years just to be able to continue playing new games is both bad for the planet and my wallet, and is the main reason why I haven't ditched consoles altogether, for as much as I would like to

[@anthonylipke7754]

These licensee that make art unavailable is against the development and preservation of art and undermine consumer rights and the principal of first sale doctrine. Intellectual property is fundamentally flawed.

[@MaryannLynch-z9c]

I didn't get kicked out of game (wasn't in one during) but that notification was there on login for me to accept, good change

[@SnakeX2X]

To be fair, I have games on Steam that are no longer available for purchase, I can still download them from the server and play them.

[@CyprienCole]

Yeah, The next time many people boot steam could be a year now some people don't shut down their pc unless a force restart.

[@bloepje]

Ah the signing enclave is actually what debian already has (what they already used). I can fully agree the step to Arch, away from debian, even though that I am a debian guy myself. I did not see any of those agreement changes. Maybe because I'm in Europe and we have rather good customer oriented laws. I did see it on Louis Rossman and now here :-).

[@MrAnno1366]

There is a bigger overarching story to the Arch Linux story that isn't really being aknowledged... For many months now there has been debate on whether Valve will ever release a Steamdeck 2 or whether they no longer need to because they have already gained the extra exposure to the Steam game store and that's where they make their money. Some have fairly pointed out that Valve have a history of starting things and then dropping them. This Arch Linux story almost certainly puts that debate to bed. This is Valve showing they have long term plans which almost certainly would not just be on an OS level. So if you ever wondered or doubted whether we will see an all new Steamdeck in the future this almost guarantees it. Valve are not passing the reigns of the handheld PC hardware market over to those that have jumped on their train. They are in it for longer term. I think it's fair to assume that now.

[@ohnoitswillow]

honestly.. KZbin creators should get together and take them to court for harrassment. if there's no legal standing for their behavior, they're using their company as a mafia-esque bully. and that actually is illegal..

[@JorgeEscobarMX]

I always wondered if we were getting an official distro for steamos, it seems like Arch may be it.

[@SireDragonChester]

Yeah we need steam os to desktop pc, before windows 10 EOL. I just hope we get GTX driver support too. I Would love upgrade my old GTX 1080ti, but Gpu prices here Canada are still insane. 6900xt is still $900 or more here wtf. Valve said steam os is coming soon. We just don’t know when. Yeah Nintendo has been very anti consumer’s. They shouldn’t be able bully just anybody Cus they showing emu. Rumours are they doing Cus want stomp anybody doing emu for switch 2 maybe coming out soon.

[@Neonagi]

I hope it's ready in 1 year from now, that's when Windows 10 sunsets and there will be a good chunk of people looking for a new OS that is unbloated, user friendly and doesn't try to capture and sell your data like Microsoft's product.

[@NetflixForeign]

Not even just at higher frame rates but old games run on tech that is no longer sold anymore, see: CRT. Sure we have things like OSSC that convert for HDMI but otherwise unless you have a CRT you won't be able to play it.

[@AdmiralBison]

'stop killing games' is not enough. A 'Right to own act' would be a more proactive law. Corp. publishers must give the option, at least, for a DRM-FREE version (even if it costs far more).

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

we're not even guaranteed to get the option A. option B is a pipe dream at this.

[@AdmiralBison]

@@arsenii_yavorskyi rather fight for a pipedream than lie down to accept a terrible reality.

[@baldsealion]

This is why I bought/built a 60TB server and began backing my games up... DRM free of course.

[@jadedshard9650]

at this point it is morally right to pirate Nintendo when the majority of fans don't do it and are just showing you how to save your games from times decaying touch they are so anti consumers I don't understand why people keep them in business but will go after other gaming companies for less

[@NerdNest]

I disagree

[@jadedshard9650]

@@NerdNest I can see why you would (with the pirate part of my rant)and while they are within there rights to protect what's there's I'm sure there are better ways to go about it I just don't like bullies and until someone punches back (and draws blood)they will not stop I also should of made clear that I don't condone piracy of newer titles only things that are out of print

[@RM-xr8lq]

@@jadedshard9650 it is always the moral choice to pirate, the secular and educated world already ignores copyright/IP/patent law

[@alanredacted]

3:06 Way to tell on your friend. He'll end up getting a strike from Nintendo

[@NerdNest]

Nintendo knows who Bob is way more than they know who I am trust me

[@littlebit670]

2:33 The reason why companies end up adding a forced arbitration clause to their terms of service is because people sue companies over small things. IT would be better if people only sued over something that actually matters to everyone.

[@Azarilh]

The way i see it, is what you pay for on Steam, is not the game itself, it's the Steam's service to use their servers to download the game indifinetly, to backup save files, access forums, and maybe other stuff related to the game. Whether you also own the game depends completely on the publisher of the game. If they do not include a DRM, then after downloading the game from Steam, you can easily uninstall Steam and play the game by running its executable, so in a sense, you do own that game. In another sense, you still don't own it completely because you can't modify it completely, but that would apply for games on discs too. But even with open source games you don't truly own them, you own them only for private use and not public use ( ie can't share modified version, but really depends on the copyright ). If you don't own the copyright, you don't truly completely own anything. Whether that's ok or not, it's up to you. Back to Steam. I find it perfectly reasonable to say you don't own the game, you own a licence to use certain Steam's services like downloading said game. In fact, Valve has no reason to keep providing the services after a game gets pulled off of Steam, yet they still do it. You can still download any game that is not available on the store anymore, all on Valve's expense. If you want to own, at least privately, all your games, complain to publishers for using DRM nonsense. Countries that enforce ownership of digital games make no sense, because you cannot truly privately own something with DRM, it's like saying that you can run your fossil fuel car with olive oil. It makes no sense.

[@OnlyCitrus]

the time line that pops up at the opening of the video, it would be nice if you put negative news under the progress bar and positive news above lol

[@raikoh05]

beautiful, the future is looking bright

[@Gr3n0lph]

I am sure this game is going to come to GFN so I will probabaly stream it to my deck. Then again I could also stream to boosteroid. Anyways there is always a way for this sort of things.

[@mikedropmeta]

Since Steam has always used the wording of "Purchase" or "Buy," I think how they handle these things should change a bit; I think that all of these temporary licenses should become permanent, Steam should be required to host to you the games that you purchased to the best of their ability (if they are about to no longer keep on-file a game you purchased, any DRM should be removed from the game and the user should have the option of backing it up themselves), and in the case of someone breaking Steam's TOS or in general doing ban-able actions that person's ability to use Steam's online connection services and Steam's store should be cut. They can still play any single-player games or single-player modes of games, but any services beyond giving the user reasonable access to that which they purchased is turned off. I agree with something I heard in response to that stupid Ubisoft CEO's statement; "If we should accept and get used to not owning the games we pay for, then companies should accept and get used to their games getting pirated." Basically; Screw them, we purchased a product with every intention of pretty much always having access to it, the industry going away from physical media for storage of the game shouldn't change that. I should be able to pass down games I have purchased to my kids eventually.

[@jakeabcabc1184]

When monster hunter world first came out the volumetric settings were killing frame rates, and you needed to turn all of them off. I imagine wild will have ray tracing killing frame rates this time, which we shall turn off.

[@XionicalXionical]

Hey, maybe include some of those tweets in the description? Thanks.

[@baraka629]

Regarding the minimum/recommended requirements, they more often than not are completely pulled out the rear and not indicative in any way shape or form of how the game actually performs on given hardware.

[@Refresh5406]

Just stop paying these companies money. Pretty simple solution.

[@mrkrabsii669]

if it gets good maybe ill change from windows, the issue with linux for me is some games dont work online like R6 or league or valorant...

[@czarsquid855]

The specs for MH are likely overkill and Capcom just don't want to disappoint people if their computer can't run it on "high" settings. (We don't know what high settings are). Some settings could probably be turned off (like frame generation) and gain frames.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

that's ridiculous, you're not going to "gain frames" by turning off frame generation. and the system requirements are high because they decided to not optimise the game, same as most other companies theses days.

[@itz_pepe]

Levente Polyak is a hungarian name, and "LY" in hungarian is one letter, you can pronounce it as the Y when you say yes, thats the closest souding, you can ignore / don't have to say the L Otherwise, thanks for the informative video :) Keep up the good work.

[@Rustyorange725]

if buying is not owning then piracy is not theft, physical media will always be king and this has just pushed the value of my physical collection through the roof accepted some titles wont work online.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

bullshit on both counts. companies infringing on our rights has no bearing on the definition of piracy, and games that rely on a server will not work at all even if the files themselves are installed from a disc.

[@XBASS247]

Big tings agawn 🔥

[@littlebit670]

5:19 I respect the StopKillingGames campaign. I would rather have companies be forced to take the direction of Velan Studios when they ended support for Knockout City, and provide the ability for users to run their own servers.

[@BioToxin]

the reason they changed the eula for steam was because as part of the agreement they would pay all legal services as part of the arbitration. now you have to pay your own lawyer.

[@777Thibs]

The updated EULA is the moral equivalent of the Disney+ license that blocks lawsuits for literally everything. It was HIGHLY anticonsumer.

[@timothyt.82]

I feel like an amendment to arbitration laws that force arbitors to be an unaffiliated lawyer would drastically change the forced arbitration agreement issue.

[@KentoLeoDragon]

I got hit with that when my SD was on the TV and had to use the deck to get it to go away.

[@Username_CC_]

will not be paying nintendo a cent for my lifetime

[@Microwave414]

One day just like mickey mouse became "the mouse" mario will at one point become "the plumber" in everyone's eyes.

[@AndrewSpoda]

I'm in favour of letting corporations delete games. But I want them to be sure to write in the description of the game when You are buying it - "your licence will be valid until XXXXX date". The date may be extended but not reduced. And that this promise cannot broken. And ONLY for offline games they can announce - "your licence will be for life".

[@producdevity]

I personally don’t think we should make companies offer refund indefinitely for games that have servers taken down. This means that no developer can invest in making an online game if they don’t plan on making it available forever

[@Wylie288]

Yeah entirely unreasonable and this very argument is exactly why we will never have anything but licenses. They are the ONLY defense against such stupidity.

[@MooTaters]

Those Monster Hunter requirements are insane, especially for 60FPS at 1080p with frame generation turned on(which the 2070super doesn't support unless FSR3 I think). I mean I have a 3080 and I'd like to expect to be able to play without frame generation and still get decent FPS on my 3440x1440 monitor. I could understand if the game wasn't coming out for another 3-4 years.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

they're passing the costs of optimization onto consumers.

[@MakDemonik]

The thing about fair use is... its country dependent. Japan doesn't have the same fair use laws as the US. In Japan only specific institutions can use something for educational purposes. And there is next to no laws for parody or transformative use. The best you can do is reference or quote something. But don't take that as fact. I'm also not a lawyer, just read a bit about i as part of my hobbies.

[@beardtm]

@nerdnest that overview at the start is 🧑‍🍳 💋 great idea!