Van Pelt, Rigsby, Jane 1x07 - "that would be very sad" (microwaves 2)

the mentalist - seeing red

[@stacygrim7]

his little " no that’s okay " omg

[@philiptom2799]

The moment she realizes what she's done you can see the hurt in her eyes almost rivalling Jane's.

[@дайтемневонючейдешевойводки]

She is so umprofessional this Van Pelt. Silly girl from the countryside believing in supernatural and other rubbish. She made so many mistakes. Full of emotions and feelings, doesn't have professional features at all.

[@BonerMaroner]

This is one heavy scene.

[@RGandfam]

Fax

[@l.a.3479]

I was tearing up at the end.

[@RyanMK666]

I mean, yeah it would be, if it wasn’t about raising the dead and the afterlife. 2 things that don’t exist.

[@seanbejamnin]

get's me every time

[@bgarci93]

Van Pelt is rarely so callous. She is usually the sensitive one. Harsh words but I'm fairly certain she didn't mean to sound so harsh. I find myself on the verge of tears every time Jane is forced to face his family's tragedy and his personal demons.

[@eventhorizon12]

Actually, I'm fairly sure that in that moment, she did mean to sound that harsh. She has a habit of being overly sensitive and rude about her opinions, when others don't share them. She got mad and wanted to make Jane feel bad, plain and simple. Maybe she realized, she'd gone too far afterwards, but it doesn't excuse that kind of bad behavior.

[@kurai8437]

@@eventhorizon12 It doesnt but its very important that she realized she was wrong. In the heat of the moment harsh behavior meant to hurt others can come out of the best of us, whats important is recognizing and owning the mistake.

[@monikamunjal1735]

@@kurai8437 true that , but we are so much in love with Jane that it hurts to see him sad …

[@dancinginfernal]

@@eventhorizon12 Bit of a late reply, but it's important to remember Jane is doing the same thing. Working his charlatan magic to make himself seem like he's innocently joking while mocking both her and her beliefs as though she was a child. She lashes out, and Jane forgives her because he realizes a similar thing. He's being disrespectful to her, and not just her, but the people in the case they're working.

[@дайтемневонючейдешевойводки]

@@dancinginfernal She believes in rubbish. Jane just said it directly and openly to her. And she got offended like silly girl. She doesn't deserve to work in the police.

[@MaikenMikkelsen2020]

she's sorry she said it but he keeps thinking of it - I like that in this scene.

[@non-zi7hh]

Man it was 11 years and I still remember you!!

[@abhishek_raj]

My eyes got filled with tears when I watched this the first time, I felt a personal attachment to Jane then.

[@alexanderdeits6547]

gut wrenching scene at the time of its release... felt big sad

[@rds4629]

everyone hating on Van Pelt; pls remember the payoff in the ending scene, where she sees Jane shaken and trying to hold it together and gently closes the door...

[@smurfyday]

People are multi-faceted.

[@OniNoFro]

I'm convinced Grace set it up by giving some details to the psychic. Keeping in mind she was there in very short order to close the door.

[@abhishek_raj]

She didn't want to be mean, She apologizes literally a moment later. One mistake is forgivable.

[@hooverblox3804]

i like how you can see van pelt but also jane too realised they had hurt the other and both felt bad.

[@RASAN222]

All these comments from years and years ago

[@RASAN222]

@M sad how time flies

[@ss3upvsd111]

yup

[@LDSKsylar]

bro I know but this show is so good !

[@ruinaderoma]

It saddens me that some of them aren't active on KZbin anymore, it's like trying to summon the dead

[@non-zi7hh]

The mentalist fan never give up..

[@Lifeisshort214]

@EliCross She didn't intend to be mean, she was just angry that her beliefs, which are obviously important to her, were being mocked by both Jane and Rigsby. I, for one have been in the situation when in the heat of an arguement when I've said something that was maybe true, but definitely should not have been said. Also Jane is so good at being flippant its easy to temporary forget just how broken he is.

[@monikamunjal1735]

True , though Jane is so flippant n playful, we don’t realise how hurt n lonely he feels; his eyes say it all

[@Studentofgosset]

Yeah using the memory of dead loved ones to protect one's own irrational belief system... a sign of stunted intellectual development.

[@AdjustingMindGames]

Well that escalated quickly 😳

[@tabithaprovan957]

I know Van Pelt overstepped her bounds, but she did apologize immediately, and only made her outburst after being mocked by her colleagues. And you know what? Even if there's nothing at all on the other side of this life, Patrick Jane keeps his family alive inside his heart, and it's pretty clear Angela very much hated the disdain and mockery her peers at the carnival no doubt lavished on those they considered stupid and gullible. She hated it enough to leave permanently, and she begged Patrick to stop his own conning work and him brushing her off led to the ruin of everything. In any way Angela survived, she was there watching Van Pelt stand up to Jane. I'll bet Patrick saw her in the reprimand *and* the apology.

[@koeldutta9668]

That's amazing. Amazing.

[@abdullahturgut1851]

Patrick deserved it

[@l.a.3479]

Who's Angela?

[@tabithaprovan957]

@@l.a.3479 Jane's wife.

[@l.a.3479]

@@tabithaprovan957 Thanks.

[@scotty6858]

Van Pelt just lashed out because Jane and Rigsby were making fun of her belief in spirits and such. She realized immediately what a hurtful thing she'd just said to Jane. Later on this episode, he's told something that only his wife could have known, and he's (privately) not as skeptical..

[@Tracker947]

It's not that he becomes less skeptical, it's that he *wants* to believe. However, we know in a later episode that Jane knows (or believes) that John *always* wakes up his victims.

[@дайтемневонючейдешевойводки]

@@Tracker947 There are people (except me) who still didn't watch the full serial. Instead of spoilers you could do something useful. But I doubt you are capable of.

[@creatip123]

Just realised van pelt was very beautiful, and got a hint of scarlet johansson in her face....

[@townscapelandscape5159]

I think Van Pelt has a family drama that she don't want share with nothing maybe a sister who committed suicide.She needs to believe in the immortality of souls in existence after death

[@misternobody6798]

She did say this in one of the episodes earlier but later on when questioned about that she said was making things up to handle the situation with a suicidal suspect.

[@smurfyday]

@@misternobody6798 Yeah but she did that two more times and she always used real truths from her experiences.

[@tabithaprovan957]

I think it was someone she loved like a sister. It's likely Van Pelt's cousin Yolanda communicated a message to her from this lost sister, or pretended to. Even with everything Van Pelt experienced she still believed in Yolanda, which makes me wonder if perhaps her cousin (gifted or not) was actually a sincere person.

[@courtneymoore3177]

Rigsby praised her for how she handled the situation at the cemetery in that episode and he asked her if she had a sister and she said no. She never mentioned her mother only father so maybe it was her mom

[@ScottCyclops]

Van Pelt was in rage and insta regretted

[@antonius521]

I Never Liked Grace Naive and way too emotion for this Job

[@RossIrving-yb3mf]

To be fair, Rigsby forces this whole conversation to happen by mocking Van Pelt, albeit jokingly, Patrick isn't trying at any point to get a rise out of Van Pelt, he is merely stating his beliefs

[@henrypeters5291]

Even if Rigsby had not said "boo" Van Pelt still likely would have said what she said. She was trying to win an argument and that was the only thing she could think of.

[@newenglandsun4394]

Microwave light off - popping popcorn Microwave light on - not doing anything and door closed What demon-possessed microwave oven is that?!?

[@cherry-blossomwhisper7432]

I truly believe that she was extremely childish for bringing up his wife and child. She knows how much that hurts him. She was being that way I feel because he proved her wrong. This whole episode she was being so childish like she loved seeing Jane get made fun of because he didn’t believe in physics and I think it was very wrong of her.

[@UncensoredScion]

One of the things about the Mentalist were bits like this, everyone in the comments is bringing up how much of a kind person Van Pelt is and she always was. But a real person isn't always like that, they're going to have bad days, they're going to have sensitive subjects and they're going to have moments when the dam breaks and all that bile comes spewing out on someone. Jane saw her disturbed attitude towards the Seance and he poked her for a reaction, because part of her reaction with Rigsby is due to their sexual tension and he wants them to admit their feelings, get together and be happy, he didn't realise that this was the wrong situation to poke her with. And Van Pelt broke on this issue and her anger came out in an instant on Jane. Quiet and kind people are the ones who have the ability to be the single most devastatingly cruel and evil people the world has ever seen, they're the ones who are able to tell when someone's hurting and why then help them, but they can see that weakness in a moment of their own and use it to utterly destroy the person. The realisation 5 seconds after she said it and the additional 2 to build up courage to apologise is a masterclass of directing, writing and acting because everyone involved here did a perfect job in portraying a real event that can happen in the real world.

[@дайтемневонючейдешевойводки]

We all understand it. Go and try to do something usefull instead of writing obvious things.

[@UncensoredScion]

@дайтемневонючейдешевойводки you mean like doing your mom? But that could lead to another version of you and that's not useful at all.

[@ritis05]

💔😔 ...I share Grace's thought and it is obvious that she did not want to be bad, she simply defended her belief and gave her a chance to think of something other than what we can see... (when the only bad guys there were them making fun of what she I believed) The fantastic thing about this series is that there was always a margin to think that there could be something further, without deviating from the theme even with the management of skepticism, the series did not completely close to presenting a single idea as valid ... there was that "what if?" that was maintained even until the last season with what happened to Vega.

[@brackssn]

I don't believe for one second Van Pelt was trying to be mean. With Rigsby and Jane mocking her belief, she was only proving to Jane that anything is possible and his family could try to reach him from the beyond. If she was so mean, she wouldn't apologize. And let's not forget seasons later, Patrick did communicate with his daughter

[@Jakebrand11208]

She was just trying to win the argument

[@TheLemery]

@@Jakebrand11208 Pretty sure this is just good writing. Van Pelt obviously feels strongly about this, probably has one or more issues with loved ones passing (the sister suicide story, whatever it may be based on). Then Rigsby does the insensitive boo/laugh thing, putting her on the defensive, and Jane basically just dismisses her belief. It's pretty much standard human behavior to lash out in a situation like that, and she's probably also projecting her own need that she wants to believe someone may leave something behind to connect to their loved ones. That's all just good writers understanding how people react to stress, beliefs and mockery (even when not ill-intended).

[@azraelknightquest5754]

What people who are casuals don't understand is that Van Pelt is a Christian with strong beliefs. Jane has more than once said less than respectful things, even mocking and disrespectful to her faith. Van Pelt probably kept her anger in and then at this moment, burst. And like most emotional outbursts, regretted it afterwards.

[@courtneymoore3177]

She felt bad for saying it, she had tears in her eyes. The guys shouldn't have been teasing her when they know she is really religious, same as Lisbon who is heavily Catholic. Notice Rigsby going after her when she abruptly walks away

[@mariamcaleavey3444]

everyone has there ways beliefs in life with life experiences .

[@magnificent7667]

Wow Grace that was a bit mean

[@EliCross]

Pretty mean and thoughtless of her.

[@alexanderdeits6547]

what's the song that goes to this

[@metal87power]

Sentimentalist

[@Geengarner]

she didn't have to say that. I think she is a bit naive. and really bad at judging people. Rigsby is way too good for her.

[@TheAlienPoison]

Lmao. U got it right, but Rigsby ain't that good either. On that judging issue, oh how much I want to get in your comment and make those words *Bold* . She gets along with a lot of bad guys for sure.

[@l.a.3479]

I thought Rigsby was being immature in this scene.

[@jeffstarzw]

Rubbish, the dead are not aware of this world, they only have memories That was completely wrong on a man who lost his family in a gruesome way

[@eventhorizon12]

Grace was really rude and unprofessional here....she really crossed the line! Unfortunately, this wasn't the only time, either...she's been overly sensitive at other times as well and acted opinionated and rude! Just because you feel differently about something, doesn't mean you should get to be so nasty to other people because of it!

[@Min-e5]

Jane is too.

[@plouifasol]

She didn't want to mean here. She just felt embarrassed and upset that they were mocking on her and she just said what popped up in her mind in order to defend her beliefs without thinking of it. That's why she immediately apologises after realizing what she said.

[@abdullahturgut1851]

The only one who is mean and rude is Jane, he always mock other people, he makes fun of them for his own pleasure......

[@TheWolfnman]

To be fair to her, Jane and Rigsby are the ones who were rude and unprofessional to start with.

[@toyshanger8945]

She definitely touched Jane there.

[@МарияИвлеева-ш8ь]

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[@TeeJayPlays]

is it me or did jane take drugs or something on this day of filming? his pupils are huge.

[@delsi3795]

I'm pretty sure he directed this episode so he could just he exhausted

[@koeldutta9668]

It's something perpetual in the show. His pupils are nearly always dilated. That's because he had said something about pupils being dilated either when a person is in shock, or hypnotized. Jane's pupils are always dilated perhaps because of the shock. He never overcame it.

[@itssonotover961]

@@koeldutta9668 He has insomnia, it's shown in several episodes

[@JandryPint]

Heroin, horse

[@coffeeaddictexpress5038]

I really wish Jane did believe in something after death. I know it’s a show but I would like to believe his wife was wanting him to be with Lisbon. I would want my husband to meet someone that gave him a little peace, if something happened to me.

[@tabithaprovan957]

@Chris Travolta it was certainly more about Jane and Lisbon than Jane and RJ. Red John was deliberately nebulous and very rarely showed up at all; we never go in depth with his character or who he really was because we didn't need to: he was an evil dumpster fire who needed to die. That's it. The Mentalist is about...the mentalist. Jane's journey is center stage. But if anyone shared that stage, it was absolutely Lisbon. From Watson, to Beatrice, we remember the loyal helpers more than the villains. Enemies are for killing, friends are for living.

[@smurfyday]

Jane didn't believe in anything spiritual etc. And it's people who believer there's just one life who value it more, who know that there are mistakes that cannot be corrected or properly forgiven for, who take their behaviors more seriously. Jane's one of those people. That's why his pain and regret drove him so deeply. He had no other way for atonement.

[@МарияИвлеева-ш8ь]

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[@МарияИвлеева-ш8ь]

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[@MartellJordan]

Lmao. I love van pelt but, she was out of line period, you could tell, even though he doesn't share her beliefs, jane was joking, for her to go below the belt was past fucked up and whats more, if those words had come out of a guys mouth, nobody would be talking about how forgivable he is, in fact most people including the one's defending her would expect a guy to get hit for saying something so vulgar.

[@toshirohitsugaya857]

She understood she was in the wrong and excused for that. She didn't said that in malicious intent, and Janes knows it.