Is Season 11 League of Legends' WORST Season?

[@VarsVerum]

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[@theprofessor7965]

Riot devs have released a preseason preview article - TLDR they're promising objective comebacks that doesn't require you to kill the enemy with a high bounty. How it will play out I'm not sure - its an attempt to fix the game but it can easily mess up too.

[@yan666gadanho]

it is awesome just tried it, its fun

[@Xsawerus]

ZAR is great, i use it and its really helpful in jungle.

[@wraith6233]

Marksman do not have a two item power spike. Shield bow and infinity edge is a yasuo and yone only power spike. Adcs only have 40% crit and not too much to work with stats wise or utility wise.

[@choppyc967]

This link does not work by the way for some reason the second parenthesis is included in the link for no reason

[@Discotechque]

League's biggest problem at this point is there's not enough Lux skins and that they haven't released a new Lux skin in days.

[@bewareofbob9736]

We are not blaming lux lol its just a meme

[@mr.joesterr5359]

@@bi_fipassword906 Found the lux main

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

Yeah, when lux was getting skins it was a lot more fun.

[@lq4322]

@@bi_fipassword906 lux is not real dude

[@muselikesminecraft]

@@mr.joesterr5359 definitely a lux main

[@MAMAJUGO]

This reminds me of that old DotA phrase; there's a reason the name of the game is "Defense of the Ancients" and not "Killing of the Heroes"

[@RustingPeace]

dota is more macro centered than lol. lol is just micro cenetered and thats all

[@cedenoa001]

Thought KOTH was FPS only

[@santiagojara8056]

Yes, and that's why Turbo is the most played gamemode.

[@Illien0]

@@santiagojara8056 There aren't any available sources for dota gamemode data as far as I can see. I'd wager the most played is still all pick

[@veganjoy]

@@RustingPeace i can assure you that dota is extremely intensive on micro, far more so than league. laning in dota is a damn chore lmao, let alone all the macro decisions that need to be made

[@joekenwood4956]

Prediction of the problem A team game where you need to mute your teammates play better?

[@junba1810]

100% agree

[@hieunguyenba7224]

Best feature in the game

[@dlcyKing]

That's the effect not the cause.

[@corvus8365]

my most favourite part about team games

[@imrengarotp3802]

A teamgame just that it isnt a teamgame because you have to roll a dice which decides if you get a team you can actually play with.

[@inhale-aesthetic9151]

So, part of League's big problem is that people want shorter games and more fights? Hmmmmmmmm, if only there was a map where that was the main focus. Maybe it could only have two lanes, with two big, juicy objectives in between them, that way there's almost always a fight to pick? Maybe the objectives could be the equivalent of giving red and blue to your entire team. Maybe the game mode could only have 3 players to a team as well, that way the small map doesn't get overcrowded. Maybe it could even have it's own unique epic monster. I'm sure if Riot made that map they wouldn't neglect it into oblivion. Oh, what? You think they would INTENTIONALLY sabotage it by flooding it with bots so they have an excuse to shut it down? Why, sir! Such a bold accusation!

[@jcuadra4988]

The game mode you propone could look really sick with a shadow isles astetic. And maybe a big spider epic moster, maybe tied with elise lore or something!

[@agpa-4.002]

I mean, if you really want teamfights, ARAM is there.

[@Parkbenchna]

@@agpa-4.002 TT had aspects of summoners rift and ARAM, it was the middle ground

[@andrewmorley5059]

Did anyone really play twisted treeline though?

[@elitefourflint]

I fucking miss twisted treeline but it was so underplayed that it's almost understandable why they got rid of it

[@theimmortaleye7511]

Its in my opinion how fast current games are. Half the time it feels like the game is lost during the first 10 min

[@PedroMelloA]

It's not really about game time, but the snowball mechanics. Teams that win early game get so much advantage it's hard for their enemies to catch up. Kills and tower plates give so much gold that the power gap becomes huge. Doesn't matter if the games last 10, 20 or 50 minutes if the first team to get some advantage gets unstoppable.

[@flagrance2808]

It is also that players know how hard it would be to comeback from a laneing phase disadvantage, so people just stop trying. Some comeback mechanics can really help players' mentals to reward sticking with early-game failures and keep playing the long game.

[@AGuy-0751]

Even in gold ELO, the games feel decided in the first dragon fight

[@ik-yn1zg]

@@PedroMelloA yes a few days ago there was a match were we invaded and got 3 kills in 2 minutes and we won 27 to 3 because of the beginning

[@jcuadra4988]

@@PedroMelloA In my opinion the snowball problems originated from the short duration of games. If I remember correctly, Riot wanted to shorted the time of the games, and they choosed to make the game extreamely snowbally to achive it.

[@darknessdash1853]

League is an "accumulative loss game" where a single failure in the early stages will haunt you for the rest of the match and can decide the match 10-15 minutes before its actually over

[@the4given196]

@@darknessdash1853 I had a match were I was playing Toplane and had 4 premaded with me. The enemy’s invaded and killed the sup(everything ok with that it happens) after that the jgl decided to run into the enemy team 1v5 and died too. Bit annoying and defenitly unnecessary but still ok. After he trapsende he did it again. At 13 minutes the enemy team was 20 kills ahead. The midland even asked f we should ff. The match was 27 minutes long.

[@flailofthelord]

Mental warfare...

[@imrengarotp3802]

What makes you think that? I cant remember any time where a single failure of the enemies made any of my games better. Often the enemies can even make a comback after going 0/15 min 20 because they keep running into me waiting for them in their jgl because they just get their powerspike and some armor and then just fight. E.g. Yasuo can never lose because he plays bad, you go 0/20, afk for half an hour, come back, buy 2 items and you win fights against everyone with one button.

[@darknessdash1853]

@@imrengarotp3802 literally last game i played, 2 hours ago. darius vs trynd. eve tried to gank me and i hit level 6 mid gank. got a double kill and i was able to snowball that lead into a stomp

[@kizunahoshino4848]

That’s painfully like life And many of us play to escape it

[@unicorn7234]

The biggest problem is the community, the second biggest problem is how fast a game becomes snowballing.

[@connortheandroidsentbycybe3755]

the 3rd is riot just going for cash to much and fucking the lore in the proces

[@biggiecheese2004]

if the game didn't snowball people would be less toxic. the game is the problem. if someone gets one kill the game is hard, if get camped by jungle and go 0/2 you literally can't play the game anymore and the game snowballs. that mindset makes people toxic and the only way to deal with that is to flat buff all defense in the game so you can't get oneshot level 2-3

[@ravador]

The community being this toxic is the by-product of how FUCKING BAD the game is.

[@alexandergray5977]

yes both of those are explained by what he is talking about in the video?

[@ik-yn1zg]

You shouldnt get mad at a random person saying you are bad

[@ZZValiant]

A very simple but radical solution: reduce the amount of gold that kills reward significantly. I'm talking like 150 gold. The thing is that kills lead to a statistical advantage but also a map pressure advantage. Emphasize the map pressure advantage. Bring back the old 5-stack dragons, let people buy a limited amount of green wards again. So, the winning team can still pick more favourable fights and dictate the macro situation, but their statistical advantage from having a lot of kills is much more reduced. Players will still want to fight in order to make killing the nexus easier, but it might not be worth it to stop the splitpusher anymore when they only give a cannon and a half worth of gold and have a green ward guarding the approach. If removing players from the map by forcing them to back and finishing the kill are much less different, then poke compositions can make a comeback. A lot of things can happen from this. You wouldn't need to change the base gameplay very much but player behaviour will be much more different just off of this one change. Why go for the risky flashy play when I can get the same advantage by just denying a wave and a half from my opponent?

[@G0nzaloCoronel]

As much as I want this to happen, they'll never do that, and it's because it's not flashy. They want you to watch proplay, where they do these fast paced, outplay festivals, and end the game in 15-20 mins. Watching people turtle out bores the public, and that's the problem for me at least: they focus SO MUCH on proplay that they completely neglected everyone else and forgot that this is not a show, it's a game.

[@ashenguard_1437]

plates as well they give so much gold

[@KD_Oliveira]

how about something to, not only endorses teamworking, but also forcing you to help your teammates to grow as much as you do, if you want to finish the game? like, something to disencourages the 1v9 thing. If the team doesn't have the advantage well distributed among the five players, the siege simply will NOT happen properly, giving the enemy team a chance to explore this vulnerability, and possibly comeback to the game. So you would have no other choice but push yourself to help all your teammates to grow at gold and XP.

[@GugliTyson]

thats basically dota

[@willow1601]

No, leave the gold advantage, but give no experience for it. Level advantage is a huge deal for most encounters.

[@autistictyranitar414]

The biggest problem in this game is that Riot keep pushing the protagonist mentality. In which only you and your plays matter, 1v9, that stuff. But this is still a teamplay based game, you can't just win by yourself most of the times. You need your teammates help as well as they need YOUR help. Most of the time people flame cuz they think they are better than the rest of the people on that match. They refuse to listen, help or wait. And what does Riot says about it? "If you played better that teammate would not be a problem". So I guess that my midlaner that spent 15 min crying then 10 afk in base is my fault somehow.

[@Kyle-zn2yc]

This is the biggest facts ever told

[@xayah8554]

And if you win too much they intentionally give you 40%wr team where 3 of them are autofilled while enemy team has 5 on role with like 60%wr so they destroy your team in 15 mins untill you start losing enough. I don't understand why don't they let players skills decide in ranked, and not a damn coinflip.

[@daboss4318]

They are pushing protagonist mentality and yet banning everyone because of toxic behaviour which follows from that mentality, outstanding move, rito

[@the4given196]

@@xayah8554 I was at silver one 90lp with my premade with adc and sup. Had a gold 2 mmr. Riot said: no you don’t get into gold take 6 matches with low silvers with 40% winrate idc about your winning streak and your overall 70% winrate rn. Stopped playing ranked after that.

[@JoniWan77]

I personally love the team mates that have given up on constructive communication. People, who flame you for being bad but don't answer what you did wrong out of spite or people who clearly want you to play fight Outs a certain way but do not tell you how after asking them and are just pissed off that you do not know yourself.

[@TwitterVS]

Well riot just announced they're adding objective bounties to the game soon so that might help with comeback potential

[@dsixlmjr6960]

I really hope

[@VarsVerum]

Remember when dragon became like 20% harder to kill based on how many dragons you got before?

[@Xayayah]

@@VarsVerum Dunno man i play Shyvanna

[@reebsonseebs4823]

Wtf you play league?

[@off-topiconhottopic2815]

*Or maybe it will make the game more snowbally.*

[@msmsmsm1]

The community

[@meifray]

game is getting better,but people whp playing it is no longer civilized,and client are also accelerating whole process.

[@Bugilbagel]

@@meifray godzilla had a stroke reading this

[@ΝικόλαοςΘεοδωρίδης-γ6λ]

@@meifray they never were civilized it's just nostalgia that makes you remember the good stuff only.

[@DamianSzajnowski]

Nou

[@chiramarian2921]

100% agree with you

[@daniel-gabrielvlad2462]

This video reminded me of a silly strategy my friends perfected for a while in season 10. (Gold elo, and generally in premade team) and they would play Ziggs and Tahm botlane, rush CDR and split push using Tahm's R. They managed to get a pretty decent winning streak of around 12~ games I think. I also think the only reason it worked was because they could suddenly appear on the map and the fact that Ziggs alone can take down a tower in 15 or so seconds with items. They would win even when the enemy would have a giant gold lead likely due to the map pressure but I digress, it was a long time ago.

[@tycorbin576]

At season 10 the game had already reached that snowbally / kill orientated state. That just goes to show that a good strategy will win you games no matter what

[@dimanarinull9122]

@@tycorbin576 not if rito have anything to do with it. ZZ'Rot, Banner, and even Ohmwrecker were all removed, you are left with picking those strategies in champ select potentially throwing the game for the chance to use them instead of having the ability to change strategy in-game.

[@salj.5459]

Dimanari Null Hullbreaker though?

[@dimanarinull9122]

@@salj.5459 Hullbreaker is a fighting focused item, with the items I've mentioned the push is done more by the minions(Ohmwrecker is not so minion focused but it's also relying on minions to help push the tower if you are behind and using wave manipulation will make it's effectiveness increase) you could literally drop ZZ'Rot in a brush and push a different lane or banner a random cannon and move away for diversion. Hullbreaker is there for you to fight the enemy team with boosted stats while no one is there to help you so you can feed 15 kills to the enemy team in the name of this dumb item or become an unstoppable killing machine that ends the game solo. it's not a healthy item in a team based game. you could group up and use each of the items I've mentioned and they would actually assist in a teamfight. what would hullbreaker do in a teamfight? ditch the team to splitpush, even if it's no longer viable.

[@sarull2188]

League would be ao much better if they nerf Asol one more time

[@mr.joesterr5359]

Riot : “write that down, write that down!!”

[@leaflotus6726]

I played asol against zed and won (my team said I was trolling (they were premade) I dont play asol but I won lane we lost game tho, I get flamed cause of my pick Meaning: ne4f asol he beat a cowardly zed

[@warcroaft]

Like for real, broken meta champ, like, everyone is playing him 99,99% Ban rate, pls nerf him Rito

[@hamzasami8362]

@@leaflotus6726 love how he said theres no way to solo kill comeback in lane even though any zed with more than 2 braincells can so easily do that once he hits 6. assassins amiright fellas

[@GrandLufaine]

Ouch

[@letstec]

After watching the video and reading through the comments I have to disagree. You all missed the point. It's clearly A-Sol that is to strong and needs another nerf or even better delete him so I can finally win games. Ever since the 24th of March 2016 I have been loosing all my games and now have a 100% loosing rate.

[@abdullatifalkrood9726]

Facts

[@rol9834]

Finally, I thought I was the only one with even an ounce of common sense left in this pisspit

[@dragospopovici7337]

You missed the point as well. We need Lux skins!

[@letstec]

@@dragospopovici7337 yeah true and while we are at it sprinkle some more bugs into the client.

[@dragospopovici7337]

@@letstec you missed the point again. We need overpowered uncounterable shirtless men!

[@vukkicos5688]

I guess it is the snowball-y state the game has been forced into by Riot. Due to many gold aquisition changes Riot has done over the years, like additional 100 gold per first blood, bigger gold accumulation from farming, tower plates giving huge amounts of gold etc, every single mistake made leads to massive gold disavantages, thus stressing players and destimulating them from actively trying to make comebacks. Pair that with the fact that, through numerous of changes (wall go-through passages, free base sprints after 20 minutes, faster revives, faster surrended options, weaker jungle camps and faster respawns, jungle fruit, runes) Riot shortened average game length by about 10 minutes, making it even unnecessary to worry about winning or losing a (ranked) game, because you could just play another game and "try harder" next time while repeating the same mistakes all over again.

[@vukkicos5688]

@Super Top Secret Area The Sistematic Rework of Items in this season was the final nail in the coffin. It made sure that champions who have huge 1-item powerspikes become prevelent (aka Assassins and Skrimishers), while simultaneously nerfing champions which most frequently go against them, mostly because of how stats distribution is heavily dependant on the core (highest tier) items. The rework made sure to take away some stats from all of high to low tier items and distribute them to each legendary item aqusition, *according to class that item belongs to*, in desperate hopes of prolonging the game. Instead, it made sure that you are being punished for trying to itemize against your opponent. For example, lets say you were playing any mage against Zed, and because of the pressure he makes, you are obligated to put aside your powerspike item for a while and buy the stacking armor thing (forgot its name lol) that builds into Zhonya's. If you played that game before this season, you would end up almost net neutral for the price you payed for that valuable defense because getting to the first item wasnt as important back then. But if you played that game this season, not only does buying that item for roughly the same price gives you less defense, it also puts you away from your own valuable 1 item powerspike, making it actually punishing to play smartly. And to top it all off, precision and (whatever the red rune page's name is) are basically made off of runes that grant you even bigger advantage for getting kills, which you should be doing either way.

[@fashionsuckman4652]

@swamp child da boss Like, his stats would change In different lanes?

[@RainerRilke3]

the sad part is that this is 100% a design choice meant to encourage people to play more. Tilted people will play more games to avoid leaving on a loss and more conflippy short games = more overall interaction than longer, more engaging games. Stripping away player agency and not rewarding cold-minded strategic gameplay makes the game operate on a closer level to gambling because the unpredictability is at the core of addictive behavior. And there's also the problem that making the game not a snowbally permafight fiesta for the vast majority of players would make pro play way less proactive and interesting to watch so overall I think it's safe to say league will probably die before Riot does anything to revert the situation. From a corporate profit standpoint this is probably as good as it gets for them (No wonder why the meta has been so stale for years at this point and patches are becoming more and more irrelevant with pointless changes to keep an appearance of constant change)

[@devforfun5618]

@swamp child da boss i think that is a terrible idea, i think heroes of the storm aproach was better, instead of item each character has a set of upgrades that allows them to have multiple viable builds, but they are balanced for the character, so for example two carries with life steal can have two different rates of lifesteal, and you can totally prevent assassins from having lifesteal making the suports actually usefull because the assassins cant self heal or self shield unlesss they were desigend to, the only way to make that in league was with explicity limits like how pyke cant build health and jhin cant build attack speed another interesting think in hots was the two ultimates, usually one is damage and the other is for team work, so you can play suport even with carries

[@lainstructure]

They also destroyed some champions that required actual farming & managing laning phase which is currently non existant. You killed your oponent - you probably won a lane.

[@Aequorin628]

You should look at the post about the preseason plans, since one of the changes they are looking into seems focussed on this: objective bounties. From the post "Champion bounties act as a way to even out the game by getting extra gold from killing enemy champions that have gained a lead. They’ve been around for a while and have been successful, so we don’t plan on making changes to them. But we think we can give you additional ways to get back into a game when the going gets tough... Namely in the form of Objective Bounties. The goal of these are to: Give losing teams more strategic options to get back in the game through taking objectives"

[@Heightren]

We should wait and see if these end up actually being a comeback mechanic and not another snowball mechanic-

[@djabufos]

@@Heightren yeah.... they promised tower plates as sort of a comeback mechanic, when in reality it was just a snowball mechanic all the way

[@fortu392]

They dont say that to kill an enemy that has gained a lead i have to pray fucking chtulu for a miracle…

[@devforfun5618]

@@djabufos yup, towers cant be destroyed so fast anymore, and that is why there are 4 people on the bottom lane to destroy it before the extra gold goes away

[@thomashorne2607]

Well from how they worded it I think it's going to be like champion bounties, which to me is a comeback mechanic no matter how you look at it. My guess is that the losing team gets extra gold for an objective if the enemy team has secured multiple objectives in a row.

[@ChickenCast100]

Prediction, a light combination if toxicity, smurfs and powercreep maybe also lack of casual friendly gamemodes or casual ways to enjoy the game

[@terrablade2148]

there was twisted treeline but they removed it

[@walkelftexasranger]

There were rotating game modes But they removed it...

[@brandonduenow3538]

I was reminiscing with my league friends just the other day on how I used to abuse minion waves to win trades in lane. Now you can just tank 2 waves with of minions to create a freeze which would have tore you to shreds before. They pointed out that it makes it easier for new players if they only have to focus on 'me vs them' rather than game states like 'will the minion wave punish me if I go for the trade now'. Perhaps I just miss those days because I'm good with planning ahead and not so good a technical outlays (boomer hands). Seems like the game really favors those flashy champions. It also seems to be moving towards champions that always have an option, what riot would call well rounded but is really just lack of weaknesses, rather than champions that must wait for conditions to be met.

[@ayonafulls3364]

I can play with fiora and do the flash outplays. But i like to play aatrox and group in mid to create vantage. And i miss rek sai map pressure

[@123hattan]

9:35 THANK YOU for mentioning it. I really thought the same thing recently after playing ARAM, a mode built around risk, so many champs are nowadays so damn failsafe. Akshan only needs an assist to revive a whole team, Pykes ultimate does not even need to HIT YOU to reset and it even gives him triple gold if he manages to hit and kill, Yone's E is a quick ''go and dip'' immediately, there is so much more. Let's not start with newer champions also having so much %hp damage, true damage or even hybrid damage to ALWAYS STRONG even against a full-tank.

[@grimlockgreg3063]

Hey at least pyke is squishy and one good stun can kill, unlike YONE

[@123hattan]

@@grimlockgreg3063 This is what I always say to these argument: If you compare shit with diarrhea, you still end with having shit.

[@mundonger8426]

And when they buff tanks, everyone is crying how tanky they are. But everyones happy whenever they burst down a full armor tank. Yi for example. I once had won lane with nasus, was fed and around 400 to 450 stacks. I had around 250 armor whenever I used my ult. Yi killed me in 2 or 3 seconds and he wasn't even fed.

[@123hattan]

@@mundonger8426 Basically. The amount of anti-tank failsaves in this game is really too much. It is really no wonder nobody wants to continue playing tank. I played and One for All where my team had Sion and the enemy Katarina. We managed to to kill one Kata with two Sion. But there is this one person who build in divine-sunderer, blade of the ruin king on so much for on-hit and it needed 4 people minimum to kill this one person. She did 2.5k damage against a full built tank Sion alone.

[@BlackKaiserDrake]

One good stun kills Yone as well

[@AtlasAdvice254]

I feel like something that goes under the radar is exactly how quick everyone gains levels. It seems like you can be a full level 6 in the solo lanes far too fast and there’s not enough time in between levels to actually make use of different spikes. An Akali that’s level 6 is a COMPLETELY different champion than otherwise, I feel like there needs to be longer windows between levels for advantages to naturally take place.

[@PillarofWind]

thats a good point. for me if i try to rush 6 or 11 i either lose 1st drag from top or second, or both, so ive been using tp more.

[@SiMeGamer]

All the suggestions, including yours, simply allude to longer games. If the game is made longer, there are more chances for a comeback. Delaying level-ups and gold acquisition is all it takes and the problems mentioned will subside quite a bit.

[@eadbert1935]

on the other hand, if level ups are delayed, whoever is behind will have a harder time coming back again. now if you die/back early and the enemy can freeze the wave upon reaching 6, you'll have an even harder time reaching 6 as well. i admit, they won't snowball to 7-8 as quickly either, but if all you need is level 6 to be reached to become relevant they'll be able to just keep you out of the game longer as nothing else can get you your level 6. which will lead a lot of players to tilt and int. i admit, freezing is already annoying as hell if you're the enemy, but the ability to move around the map, maybe get an assist mid or catching out the enemy jungle because you have more time to place vision NOT getting you level 6 will be even worse.

[@SiMeGamer]

@@eadbert1935 Not sure how hard countered you need to be as to not get any experience. That sounds extreme. I get freezes a lot on Top and I simply hide in a bush and get my experience (usually on Malphite or Cho in hard counters. But I never get completely zoned out. That's my personal experience though.

[@eadbert1935]

@@SiMeGamer this strongly depends on the enemy jungle. i've had games where i've been camped by a heca, so in order for me to survive ganks i needed a ward on the baron entrance. but i couldn't get those because i couldn't ward there without dying. well, maybe i could, but i didn't know where the enemy jgl was (because bot didn't ward their side when they had 5 mins of no enemy jgl) so me moving past the middle was pretty much just inting. ofc, this doesn't happen to often, but it can often happen that the enemy can zone you off the ranged minion exp, so you still lose half. now a reduced exp gain would result in you needing 4-6 instead of 2-3 of these "half-waves" to reach 6, aka 2-3 mins instead of 1-1.5, aka your wards won't last long enough and you ahve to back away

[@blook8324]

- smurfs - no more casual game modes - balance? - toxicity - not a single monster champion in years :(

[@asrieldreemurr1918]

I thought lilla was a monster

[@blook8324]

@@asrieldreemurr1918 to me vastayas/furry champs don't really count as they're still clearly designed to be 'appealing' (meaning cute/attractive/...) i was thinking of full-on monsters with little to no human attributes, such as rek'sai, ornn, zac, etc... edit: nothing wrong with champions being designed to be physically appealing, but if you take a look at LoR's monster designs..they are SO good! i'd love to see some of that in the form of actual champions in league.

[@joekenwood4956]

Riot said they will focus on monsters in 2022 so hopefully youll be satisified

[@thelastsepheramain6867]

@@blook8324 Lillia isn't a Vastaya or a furry, she's a plant

[@asrieldreemurr1918]

@@blook8324 ohhhh!

[@glasspaper3]

Vars I really think you should give DOTA2 an honest try. The flaws it has are basically opposite that of league and I personally find it refreshing to play both games, they are very different experiences

[@dbbab9112]

I was playing shen and i ulted my teammate then enemy akshan: you have no friends. In another game I wasn’t doing well enemy gnar: you suck lol. Both games were normals And I learned that you’ll always get flamed no matter what you do

[@MI-nv8np]

flaming in normals is so f*cking stupid it's insane.

[@twid3033]

Im sorry that happened to you

[@DamianSzajnowski]

Good time to learn not to care

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

the thing in league is there always trashtalk, buy never good ones

[@kyooties2129]

And you didn't learn how to type "/mute all"?

[@tayanasummers]

*"...they want their quick fix. They want it fast, quick, and dirty."* That's addiction. That is literally addiction. If you're experiencing this as the *norm* on an **entire** server, I cannot imagine what psychological trauma could be ingraining itself into an entire generation of people from addiction.

[@Tiagocf2]

Y E S League is too addictive, I had to delete my 3 accounts just to stop playing, because uninstalling wasn't enough. Riot isn't a game company, they're like a marketing one, they'll make anything for you to start and continue playing while putting no effort into the game itself

[@Poxyquotl]

I totally agree, looking at my last 20~ games of soloque Almost every single game was decided within 10 minutes off of lane 1v1’s/2v2’s

[@petormaculan5424]

You must be at a very high level if thats the case

[@iloveujerzy7534]

@@petormaculan5424 Not really. The game snowballs pretty hard in low ranks too. Its just a problem of there being no real way to come back from being behind. Invisible shaco walks across your ward and kills you in lane at lvl 3 with ignite. Now you are down a level, a decent amount of gold and your laner gets a free base denying you tons of farm. They then get the opportunity to roam, help at obj, etc...

[@Justin73791]

@@petormaculan5424 I'll give you one worse. My last 10 games were basically decided in champ select. People want to play what they find fun (totally understandable), but a Lee Sin top into a Sett just made first tower go away in 12 minutes.

[@Poxyquotl]

@@petormaculan5424 I mean, I just havent had a game in my recent match history (Gold 1-2 elo) Where one side got a gold lead early and then lost it, even the games that went late-ish 35~ mins or so was just because one team didnt want to end basically (i.e. do baron and play for KDA instead because we're so ahead it didnt matter), No one who got a gold advantage early (first 5-10 mins of game) threw it, or even if they did 'throw' they didnt give up enough to actually get behind.

[@imrengarotp3802]

@@iloveujerzy7534 I think that there is always a way to comeback and thats because its a teamgame and you can use that as an advantage. Every champ has something that counters him, as long as its just one guy that snowballs hard you can just counterbuild and attack him with everything and everyone you got, noone can 1v5 and if they are unlucky with their team they will have to. Challenger players almost never have a 100% wr in low elo, not even with a challenger duoq partner because there is always counterplay. The Rengar is fed? buy armor or have cc or group or oneshot. Yasuo, one of the best 1v9 champs in the game is fed? Buy antiheal, stunn him and there you go, hf with your lp. To be able to not do a comeback you need to have an entire winning enemy team and if all of them win hard because all of you lost your lane and did a lot of mistakes early do you rlly still deserve the win?

[@okidoxb4846]

Hey yall remember when Riot made balance patches and notes about helping winning teams close out games by increasing stats like MS on minions and such? This has been going on for a REALLY long time. The winning team is rewarded thru some micro mechanics in the game that are invisible on the surface. And its pretty much so that once someone gets a lead the game can come to a close and NOT get dragged out, that was the original goal, but its ballooned out WAYY more than that

[@longboye9935]

It just turned the game into “you stomp or be stomped” and hoping for a sick outplay comeback is pretty much impossible. Same gies for Wildrift

[@okidoxb4846]

@@longboye9935 not impossible, but harder

[@steffangls]

first few months of my lol account i was thinking how everything revolves around fighting like its a team deathmatch and not sieging the enemy base

[@nuresproblemchind6176]

I think that the root cause of the problems like too short of a game time, too much damage, too much healing etc, is that riot is trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Those being 12 year olds, who want to see action flashy plays and see enemy champs blow up in 0.1s. It has made the game very popular and appealing to the common man but resulted in the degradation of "thougthful" gameplay. It's all about rolling your head over the keyboard to make the enemy champs explode. But riot noticed that so much damage is oppressive so the powercreaped healing, to combat that they introduced healingdebuffs, that lead to champs relying on healing to become too weak so they buffed the amount of healing. Now we have a self perpetuating cycle of powecreap. On top of that riot is so paranoid about tank meta returning that they introduced a record number of tank killing items making tanks feel shit to play (ever wondered why you don't see tank Maokai top anymore). To top it all off they keep releasing overloaded champions that warp the meta around them.

[@kailet1997]

Honestly I do hope they find that middle point between methodic and spontaneous gameplay. It feels terrible to try and learn a new role cuz just one mistake costs you the entire laning phase and suddenly you're 3 levels behind and with half the cs of the opponent.

[@NTTofMistery]

i honestly like "tank" meta way more than the burst meta. juking it out with an opponent both of us healing and or shielding insane amounts feels way more fun, even if i end up losing, then rengar jump rengar kill. there are some tanks that can still tank like sion cho and ornn, but the common tank like maokai, who i used to enjoy playing also once upon a time, have just become go in, die, and pray that your team can kill them

[@daltongibson1033]

I'd argue that the second biggest problem would be the disparity of damage between champions- both between classes, and between individual champions in the same class (Why does Vayne do so much more damage than Xayah?)

[@jpngoblin]

vayne and her items are good rn. this exact comment could be said like 2-3 years ago when xayah was good and vayne wasn’t because there are characters that shift with and away from the meta and things surrounding them

[@Leonardodeboni0406]

Vayne is built only to fight one on one. She is the only single Champion that have 0 aoe dmg. Xayah have the oportunity to hit more targets than one. Sivir Just lose EVERY one on one combat (maybe 99%) with ALL other marksmen, but If the cosmo allign, under the right circunstânces, she can hit +-3100% of her dmg distributed among the enemy team in 3 hits.

[@nicholasr8546]

@@Leonardodeboni0406 Trundle and Warwick would like to know your location.

[@skamdlaloso]

The problem with League is actually the gold system, without gold fights would have the objective of gaining advantedge on objectives, not gaining resources over the opponent. Fighting is fun, but why we fight is the acctual problem. For the Midlane: Exp is the most important thing on the game, but with 600 gold of a double kill on bot lane that's completely denyed. That's why Top lane is a counter pick lane. If you kill the opponent you get so many resources on top of denying farm an exp, but there are ways Riot implemented so it is possyble to circumvent exp gaps. With gold the only way is to kill the opponent... That's a thousand times stronger than you. On Jungle and Bot lane: If you score a kill, there's no reason to worry about farming anymore, cause you're opponent will not be capable of denying you anything. If Riot at least made it so minions/monters gave more gold the farther behind you are, League would be a little bit more skill oriented...

[@macklinbrown1742]

People want it to be a fighting game then just make it that. I like your idea.

[@walkelftexasranger]

@@macklinbrown1742 Imma choosing Darius ,because his E remindes me Scorpion's pull.

[@macklinbrown1742]

@@walkelftexasranger GET OVER HERE

[@aLittlePal]

@Rode very good point.

[@spectra963]

Reducing kill bounty to 200 might be a good balance, I want to see assasins totally pushed out of the game. Just the point of you trying to look cool picking assasins and destroying enemy team. Imagine dropping the damage of every champion by 40% and healing by 40% across the board. That'll slow down the game enough that no one can be popped within a second. And level 2 all in should not be a viable strategy.

[@ericlin2611]

Man, I miss the days when split pushing to inhib at 20min as Yorick actually did something.

[@KaiserAventus]

I missed the Yolo Yorick tatic too ...

[@devforfun5618]

me as nasus,i get the first kill, break two towers, look at bottom lane they are at inhib, looks at clock it says 15 minutes

[@walkelftexasranger]

For me it was 100% Trinity + Z'zrot splitpush Darius.

[@TheNewGuard]

-deleting "outplay mechanic" or surviving with 10 hp moments. -toxicity -irelia -sett -nerfing underrated champs for no reason -*seraphine.*

[@cookiecreep9204]

Exactly why i rather watch Dota, it more methodical and strategic even when one team has a lead, there is just no way to instantly determine a game since even a 0/20 Enigma can make an impact

[@zandromex8985]

Probably because items in dota are way less about combat stats and more abou utility. That's why I love dota's item system so much more than league's. Even a 0/20 support could rush Sythe and make the 20/0 fed carry useless for 2.5 seconds

[@Freakattaker]

@@zandromex8985 Ironically LoL started as the "simple" dota and tried to push mechanics and systems that were not complicated to draw a playerbase that didn't want to take the effort to get into a game like DotA, but they've gradually pushed for more and more wild stuff because they realized stat checks are not interesting to play and watch long term. Look at the mythic items they added where every class got access to a dash outside of bruiser's recently losing theirs.

[@amos9804]

High level/pro Dota is not only just really entertaining but pro League is just proper boring because nothing happens.

[@cloudynguyen6527]

I'm waiting League to add the Aeon disk version of DOTA. It's not a perfect item, I find it useful and sometimes build it. But knowing there is an item that can protect your ass from one shot assure me even fucking bullshit crit from PA won't kill me in matter of second.

[@librastellium185]

Not to mention the slow descent of interesting lore ever since Clown-Sona's release.

[@KD_Oliveira]

she's so irrelevant for the lore, it wouldn't harm THAT deeply.

[@Tiagocf2]

@@KD_Oliveira her lore just ran over skarner's, and her overall aesthetic go against the whole lore itself lol

[@amazingagent1404]

I just realized that his is probably why I love playing Neeko more than any other champ in the game. She’s pretty much the only champion that can reliably ‘fight’ the enemy team without engaging in combat. Being able to show in vision as any champ on your team gives you a way to apply indirect pressure. Playing Neeko is so different from most other champions because you are basically playing the game on a new way.

[@CAWC971]

And that's why I like Teemo :)

[@nathanex5122]

her root: im about to end this mans whole career like, what am i supposed to do? stand behind minions?

[@laureal3659]

I personally like to play eve, if it's wasn't for her I would've given up the game. Its like playing a different game with the whole stealth strategy

[@amazingagent1404]

Oh yeah I can see that

[@laureal3659]

@@amazingagent1404 no you can't I'm level six.

[@komgoo4974]

"Profisional players don't throw games" Looks like someone never watched an LCS game

[@christherazor]

I remember the times where I started playing this game back in season 6. More than half the games I´ve played where not only death matches, but also strategic games where you went full ham onto any objective you could take when drake or herald was on cd, forcing even more fights. Also the snowball potential was way less back in the days and everyone gave their best while also having fun. Now... welp... games are literally over after an invade happens or after the first dude dies. It´s no wonder that players tend to give up that easily after the first death since they may know that they´ll never come back from being behind since you can get way too much gold and objectives while being ahead, especially speaking if you play against most of the newer released champs.

[@メシャ]

Same! I remember when you'd get both tense macro plays and bursts of fights and outplays in the same games. Even at worlds levels of play teams could come back from behind if they played well

[@devforfun5618]

now it is so hard to comeback, that when the winning team goes for dragon most of the time the losing team just concedes because contesting only makes you lose faster

[@nailsoy2311]

Dude, Dota 2 is really everything you wanted. It has various win-cons for most set ups. It is both macro and micro oriented. And it is way more balanced as in every hero have their roles and don't get overshadowed by other heroes most of the time.

[@sertdemir7138]

Nope. Doto died. Valve and community killed it.

[@forgreatjustice2749]

Spot on analysis, was thinking similar things before I watched this video. Riot let it slowly creep to this point as every little addition was that much more "exciting" but now they've fundamentally broken the game.

[@zaphyrusm8940]

I think this got really close to the mark, but it missed and it’s made the conclusions off. The problem is not that getting kills is the best way to get gold, the problem is that gold is the only metric of victory. Here I’m gonna note that technically xp is also a currency of power in the game, but because anything that gives gold also gives xp, I’m going to basically ignore it for the rest of this. Because all champions are ideally of equal value across a game (I.e. raw stat value and kit utility balanced across all possible play states) if there is no differentiating metric games would end at champ select depending on counters. Herein gold and objectives create differences where they wouldn’t exist before, allowing for advantages and victory. The issue is that every objective can be converted into a gold value of stats, and when a team correctly plays to forfeit drag and seeks to mitigate the advantage through gaining farm/plates we still have that single axis of advantage. Farm and plates and dragon are all gold, all a single advantage, there isn’t different advantages, but on advantage the magnitude of which changes. Here’s where I point out all of this is kinda a lie, because there is an axis that has nothing to do with gold, and that is vision. Vision is extremely powerful, but not enough to offset the entirety of every other aspect of the game which is wrapped up in gold. Even just the addition of a different currency, say gained from a roving camp that moves through each jungle like scuttle through river and from one special minion per wave. This new currency cannot give any stats to players, because then this currency is just gold with extra steps, but if it gave summoner spell cdr, upgrades to towers, permanent or temporary vision structures, the possibilities are extremely vast. Suddenly you now have an element for which you can’t go five on drag, because you give up an advantage elsewhere that cannot be made up from the gold of dragon (both raw and stats), because there is no way for you to get that time limited currency or the advantages it provides. So now, do I ever anticipate a second currency added to league? No, but completely orthogonal axis of advantage are required to mitigate snowballing and reintroduce real, meaningful macro oriented play. And the best bit is, it doesn’t conflict with having big flashy team fights, it just means that you have to have those, but winning might mean you’re now even with their yet unspecified advantage instead of steamrolling. Imagine a game of league where you get absolutely curbstomped by the 11/2 Jax, but because you were able to sneak their special jungle camp twice earlier in the game, you smile as you purchase the topside vision tower, which makes it so that your files can now splitpush far more effectively with great vision of their topside jungle, now getting more money themselves, pushing back their tower, and opening up an option for a back door later. It’s not a perfect solution, it’s not even a solution at all, but an example of the sort of change that would actually improve league because it focuses on the real problem of a single axis of power. If that can be solved, ff15 would loose it’s attraction, 1v9ing would be less effective, and the fact of a team game with macro and micro nuance will be reinvigorated. Please remember, I know my supposed fix is stupid and won’t work and is literally what I thought up while writing this, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not trying to address the right problem. It was an example to illustrate the manner of a solution, because orthogonality in power is a really weird thing to explain, but is critically necessary in league. Maybe I’m just an idiot who has written this up without enough thought, but I think there’s something to it, and maybe some of you all might as well.

[@Shadow10975]

I feel like the issue is more with interactivity, for example if you're top lane and you die twice to a Camille or an Irelia the game is over and I don't think adding non-gold rewards such as vision would solve this. If you upgrade your tower to a vision tower as you suggested (which would probably use gold) then you're setting yourself further behind and the only benefit is you see your death coming if the jungler/mid comes or you concede gold by backing off. As you rightly said gold is the main issue since that's how you measure power so I think it would be a better idea to add some form of gold denial into the game. One idea could be to double the number of plates on a tower but half the gold it gives when plates are destroyed, then add a mechanic where you can attack your own plates (you do not get gold from destroying your own plates to discourage griefing) similar to denial in DOTA, this increases the macro of the game while actually giving you a decision, do you play the game as normal, do you finish off your own plates to deny the gold despite damaging your tower, do you stay under your tower to try and last hit it so the enemy gets no gold, do you deliberately destroy your own tower and give up map pressure to play safer under a T2 Tower instead. It's a difficult problem to solve since you don't want things to swing too far in the other direction, no one wants to play a game where your team is 20 kills up and deserves the win but you can't close out a game because the enemy is only half an item behind.

[@SiMeGamer]

@@Shadow10975 these types of ideas are all very interesting. Hopefully Riot does add this macro complexity with immediate choice options. Granted, it should still always be harder for the team to come back and I think extension of game time by mitigating gold acquisition could also help in that regard. Games will be longer and each game state will be longer (early, mid and late). This will make strategy a lot more valuable in the overall game. Simply reducing gold from kills by 50g would change the entire dynamic since now emphasis on farm (less fights and skirmishes) would rise significantly. I really like a lot of the comments a replies under this video. Many interesting ideas and perspectives

[@MrDraehl]

When I saw this thumbnail my immediate reaction "Instant gratification mindset/low attention span of the playerbase" which I suppose is what has indirectly lead to more damage, power creep, shorter games, etc. As a player since season 1 I'm a big fan of most changes, but the overall speed/pacing of the game started getting ridiculous around seasons 6-7.

[@tegansumei9772]

"Everyone has 2 item power spikes" -Vars *Cries in ADC* 😭

[@indrickboreale7381]

"ADC role is to die"

[@xayah8554]

It's so sad how riot ruined the role, like one season your Caitlyn is the strongest motherfucker in the game and next season she gets oneshot by a 0/10 Mordekaiser. Biggest wr on adc are Swain, Ziggs, Cassiopeia, Ryze etc. It's depressing actually, not sad...

[@Dimitrischtz]

Well, Ezreal with DS and Muramana is unstoppable.

[@Leonardodeboni0406]

@@Dimitrischtz that one Guy that can make bruiser/tank itens and do more damage than a Full dmg one from the safest position

[@wowitsfrostygames155]

ummm... i think you guys arent playing league of legends. adc is honestly one of the most broken roles right now next to support... they gave you guys literally everything you need to stop dying and actually carry your games and you guys still complain? problem isnt the game on this one.

[@charliepea]

League is honestly a fun game, but what makes it unfun is the mentality of the players. The players go for the win and if they lose, they get mad. The game is competitive, but if you don't balance competitiveness and enjoyment it's bad.

[@Synixerus]

Yeah, my mentallity of ranked is that i dont care about it. I just play the best I can while having gun tryharding. I dont care if i win or lose i just care if i played well since i think that challenger players can do a road to challenger going through all ranks that i can do that until i reach my level as well. But i understand that people becoming angry to lose their game even tho it was not directly their fault. I think it would if riot would make league as well as its solo queue more like a team game, how it is intended by offering better forms of communication like a voice chat. Also i think it would help your point in teams of the mentality since playing with people in coms usually makes it harder to tilt and you can have your teammates help you by cheering you up.

[@Synixerus]

Damn sorry for the spam it just went with me

[@greatgatorgaming6024]

The snowballing is what makes losing so much more tilting than in other games.

[@unicorn7234]

The issue is developers don't care if the game is fun or not, if players enjoy the game or not as long as the game keeps players online. In other words, developers only care how strong the game’s addictiveness is.

[@2D_Stranger]

Most players play for themselves and not for the team, and for the sake of being flashy and dominant instead of setting 'winning' as the number 1 priority besides trying to get a penta/ace/killing spree or whatever.

[@lynchmyteam]

The game snowballs so quick, broken champs that are only made good because a new skin is coming out, the community and many others..

[@umbralbushido8636]

Time to play the good old game of: Is it the obvious opinion most people think or an actual hot take?

[@VarsVerum]

@@N12015 I do? When did I ever say that?

[@tigerohman7079]

@@VarsVerum it's not something you've not said word for word but what is typically interpreted watching your videos from a outside perspective.

[@VarsVerum]

​@@tigerohman7079 Uhhh... I'm pretty sure I think league was good BEFORE season 8 not after lol

[@gigelparigoridi5323]

@@VarsVerum It was good. After s8 everything started to go south.

[@raydaug4633]

This is why the Ardent meta was the healthiest meta in recent memory. Each role had a clearly defined job within the team and the threat carries posed in front-to-back team fights opened up more macro oriented plays. With Riot pushing for faster games times and bruisers over tanks, Summoner's Rift has just become Team Death Match with extra steps.

[@devondixon820]

ITs fun to have game's that are not one sided A stomp on either side of the team sucks, And the worst type of game are those that you know you wont win, But end up being Dragged for 48 mins or something silly

[@tatzecom]

And its not even them not finishing because youre stubborn and wont let them, no, its them failing to finish 15 times but you still cant come back or do something about it because they just have that much more gold

[@devinkupietz6129]

Essentially the top lane meta, 1-2 deaths top lane and if your jungler isn’t holding your hand then lane is lost and the enemy will just snowball

[@azizabdul8914]

This problems of League being very combat oriented nowadays can be searched way back when Riven first came out. In surface level, Riven seems to be simple ad caster with high scaling. After patches and more exploits revealed, everyone realized that Riven's inherent difficulty is not from her kit herself, rather it came from many players were able to find exploits from her mechanics, namely the animation cancels and the b-hopping the walls with third Q. This dynamic shows a similarity between her and a fighting game character where flashy combos and technical mechanics trumps every other aspect of the game, like macromanagement. Rito knows that the FGC is a profitable business and the flashy high on dopamine gameplay is the thing that people were excited these days, so they decided not to fix her exploits and designs newer, more mechanically intense champions using that principle, hence why we got mechanically intense champs like Azir, Yasuo, Aphelios, Samira, and Aschen, where their strong suite is solely on combat and usually lacks anything else. If there is, it's probably not as big deal as they have been.

[@imrengarotp3802]

I think the biggest problem with league is that the ranks are teambased, if you are always way better than your enemies, you always get 90% of the towers solo, solo all objectives, win teamfights alone while your team farms your jgl and in the end the chance that the enemy team still wins because they have easy counterplay (like Leona pressing Q and clicking on you so the other 4 can also click on you or armor which makes the enemies almost unkillable if you play assassins) and even if the enemy team doesnt win and you manage to carry your team in maybe 55% of your games the people that were sleeping in your team most likely get the same if not more lp for far less work. Ofc its a teamgame but that just doesnt work the way it should, way too many people get ranks depening on luck and time rather than on actual skill and teamplay. At least people that went afk for too long dont get lp but i think that good people loosing shouldnt lose that much and bad people winning shouldnt get that much. Maybe just half the lp you win/lose if you are far better than your team. Ofc that could make people playing for kda more and that also wouldnt be good but maybe somehow you can manage to actually get the carries some advantages anstead of sending them to play with preschoolers playing with their toaster for 2k games before being allowed to play with people that didnt just get carried.

[@ramielthefifth]

On top lane you will be counter picked and it can snow ball the hardest, Jungle is so strong of a role that you lose by have a jg that is a little worse than the enemy jg, on mid it feels like anything you do is wrong: Go to Bot/Top Wrong, Help with Drake/Herald Wrong, Stay to lane and farm Wrong, Bot can either carry your team or the carry the enemy's bank accounts and support is i would have to say the healthyest role (at least when compered to the others).

[@TylerGreeneTrueMaoyuu]

accurate

[@stefan4165]

I think jungle OP is a strange topic in current league with all the early gold in the game. It's the most impactful role but also the most impacted role. A early gank can mean a winning top lane. A top lane losing a trade means jg can be invaded. Laners sitting under turret vs keeping an eye for invades. That's why "fill" is 90% jg instead of support now. Laners screw jg then complain about jg OP

[@chillaxboi2109]

@@stefan4165 Jg also screws itself by having uncombackable champs. Kayn is always there. Rek who, tho?

[@iammegan6626]

MOBA's are not mass appeal games. They started out as something that only "hardcore gamers" would play. They're slow and complex by nature, and we live in an age where battle royale shooters and quick easy games are king. League just got Lucky, and now Riot has a problem: Trying to make a fundamentally casual unfruendly game into a casual friendly one, and its going to come out half baked no matter what they do. Riot's (or Tencent) is making the right decision branching out into other games.

[@chillaxboi2109]

The basis of LoL was that its a casual friendly game. Reason number 1 why LoL accumulated so many people as opposed to DOTA was because of its ease of use in comparison to DOTA. Gold 3s nowadays could the best players of LoLs first season. Competition is now sky high and therefore people make WAY less mistakes than they would in lower elos years ago. In Iron 3 you see people buy items and play the game legit, albeit poorly. In s6 I was a bronzie going straight against the turret JUST AFTER MY FIRST PENTAKILL IN ARAM. The fact that people are better with some obvious changes from Riot's part makes the games quicker. Yesterday I was playing with a team, I had a newbie, he was lvl 36 and he asked what was ap right after demolishing a silver 3 player.

[@iammegan6626]

@@chillaxboi2109 I will agree that it is much more beginner friendly than other MOBAs, but coming from someone who bever played a MOBA or RTS before LoL, its still way garder than any game I've played. Theres just so much you have to keep track of.

[@Personwhorox]

My most memorable and favourite games ever are the ones that went on for like an hour and were so tense, even if we lost it still felt satisfying

[@nox_cadit]

I just hate tf, I just want to play my game without the urge and worry that my teammates clearly can't play the game without fighting every 2 min or less. It annoys me to death, and it's been almost a month since I last played the game and when I play i usually play ARAM because, well that clearly is oriented on team fighting your way to victory. Now SR or Ranked games my team always wants to fight before a objective, or is completely out of place for the objectives and we end up losing the game for this reckless play style

[@alejandropetit6573]

I still don't get why are people so toxic when I play off meta picks, It's not uncommon for me to see people instantly surrender, go afk and even run it down if I dare to pick something that isn't a meta pick,it gets to the point that I've stopped hovering my pick in champ select because it gets banned all the time. I brainstorm, test, and improve my builds for months, only for some dude that just types "ezreal build s11" in google to complain and refuse to play the damn game because I picked an off meta pick, even if it's not fucking ranked and I know how it works and how to play it because I made it myself, I only ever use my off meta builds when I know that they are viable and have been playing them for a long enough time that I'm confident in using them, like vi mid and rumble apc, and I only play ranked like once in like a month anyway, but people refuse to see something change, even things like morgana mid are seen as trolling by some people now.

[@hqhuy931]

people are so try hard in normal these days losing could feel so freaking shameful. Plus in normals no one listen to pings and just do what they like, even if a 700 stack nasus is bonking down towers in toplane. Seriously, all it takes is 1 kill for an assassin to steamroll through the game because people just wont work together to take 1 people down

[@hylix4629]

it's amazing how a team game contains a bunch of narcissist with "anime protagonist syndrome" and ego issues .Like,just FOLLOW YOUR TEAM and help each other snowball.But no,fuck you,I'mma solo the fed Yone instead

[@lizardjoel]

Agreed the hypercompetitiveness in a game meant for fun and experimentation is cringe I hate how 90% of low eleo players pretend they are temporarily embarassed challengers that know everything and act like they control what their teamates pick fuck them malz jg main since s3 hit gold every season I try to and now been playing kled jg and support too. I enjoy if it tilts people because people who get tilted by a teamate picking a fun unique build make the game worse.

[@moesidd00]

@@hylix4629 with the power of friendship 🤣🤣🤣 i like to see these guys in my team since they are the perfect bait 🤣🤣

[@askingwhyisfree7436]

Riot employees are so far from their playerbase. The players care about the game more than the company itself. This is the problem. Company cares about money while players care about the actual game. It's sad.

[@alternooo]

Nice, Fire emblem : three house in the background ! I just start a new playthrough recently and I immediately recognize the music.

[@xXbenjman3000Xx]

The complete map state is completely fucked. Drakes have too much value, so bot (mostly support), jgl and maybe mid, decide wether the game is easier or more difficult because of passive stats and the drake soul. Herald is a bit weird, because he is only really usefull, when you have some winning lane, where you can destroy the t1 turret early or push an inhib a bit later, which makes it a waste of time most of a time doing it. Normally toplane would be an island, but because jgl is so strong rn early ganking toplane doesn't make you fall behind and barely cost you any ressources, that you can completely fuck over one opponent if you gank him 2 or 3 times in the early minutes and also take the enemy camps on this side. After dying 2 times on lane on top he shouldn't be able to recover until you let him, because he is half to one level behind.

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

yh I feel Riot needs to make a objective rework for next season. There needs to be more things around top instead of herald that does not make top feel like an island. Also I feel if objectives were more valuable than kills games will become way more objective focused

[@Vex319]

I’ve been playing since season 2 and I’ve definitely taken breaks from the game. But man lately I’ve really been thinking about quitting, I don’t have fun and it seems like 1/3 games there is a troll or afk or inter it’s just not even worth playing at this point. It’s actually really bad.

[@Tiagocf2]

i quitted league for some time, now i just play a game or two with friends

[@tuantrantrong2353]

I totally agree with you. In my server, 2 double kill is the end of the game :(

[@sanketower]

We did it, bois. We finally got to the vaguely titled clickbait video.

[@zergling2621]

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[@Iguessimhere154]

I still don't understand why Riot doesn't want to make a game mode where you just fight whether it be 1v1, 2v2, 3v3. Kind of like what they did for the Blood moon event, but instead everyone is in an arena with some terrain and bushes.

[@devforfun5618]

the project gamemode was cool

[@Esteba15]

Prediction of the problem: -community -smurfs -how riot nerf champs, but no items

[@dragonslair951167]

I played my share of DotA 2 back in the day. I fondly remember splitpushing as Nature's Prophet or Tinker. In particular, I remember playing out an 80 minute game on a team full of hypercarries; despite losing literally all of our buildings except the Ancient (Nexus) and being stormed constantly by mega creeps, we eventually triumphed as we turtled and held the line, then periodically pushed mid when the rare opportunity presented itself. I think DotA's fallen into a similar trap to League of Legends, though, they really seem to have amped up the combat focus of the game. Even more than DotA though, I absolutely loved the focus that Heroes of the Storm placed on macro play. You could lose literally every fight and still eventually win through splitpushing in some cases. But, like DotA, they started pushing for more combat, and I don't think it feels quite the same.

[@NormalHatter]

You know what is fucked up? NP currently is the lowest win rate of all heroes, which is ridiculous since he is THE split-push hero of Dota alongside Tinker. They butchered any split-push capabilities that he has (Necronomicon removed, BoT has 40 sec cooldown, tower has split-shot while glyph is activ6e, his Treant dies too quick before they can do anything)

[@Fremdscham-uu3xv]

For me: - Client - Smurfs

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

yea, and the last releases too

[@dramaexterminatus]

The most annoying thing is elder, absolutely. The game is on a PERMANENT timer. If you are behind you can't be safe and wait a bit to stabilize.

[@victuss1413]

Smurfs and the fact its balanced for esports

[@NormalHatter]

Esport balanced? Only several champs is viable though.

[@jzoetheshit]

I made 5 new accounts to test this...... 20 kills 30 kills first 3 games on all accounts yeah those players are new plus they build the Champs right no tear on zed none of that the surf community legit scared all the new players away xD

[@victuss1413]

@@jzoetheshit Well in this instance you are the smurf ruining the game for them

[@fiethsing9988]

I stopped playing League for a while and tried other games... I was shocked to know that you can have PvP games where having one teammate die at minute 2 doesn't instantly end your chances of winning. It's the main reason why I enjoy FPS games more than League now. At least I know having a single person die won't make me alt+f4.

[@Keln02]

So in short: The game's pendulum has shifted in favour of micro (fighting) and macro has fallen out of favour (long term game plan)

[@Tiagocf2]

i think it's the opposite, it doesnt really matter if you're skillful (good micro) if you have an advantage. That's why the champion design is floating towards abilities that are relevant through the whole game independently of your capacity of using it effectively or not

[@Siinestro]

I have Said ist countless times, and i will say it again. Get an age limit for League (18+) and soloqueue int yasuo and rageing 11 year olds will be no issued anymore. Community gets better an game might become fun again.

[@dip8204]

You mentioned the fact that Riot releases champs that give you more comeback potential, e.g. Gwen with the invulnerability. However, one must not forget that, sure, a Gwen on the weaker team still has some carry potential, a Gwen on the enemy team who is hard carrying on the stronger team is the most unfun thing to face DUE TO exactly the mechanics you mentioned. A huge problem for League is how the humans simply work, if the game weren't too combat-oriented and the losing team in term of combat stats is given a lot of out-of-combat ways to come back into a game, the players on the stronger team grow frustrated because they believe that their effort has not mattered at all. In their heads it'll be like: "What the fuck, everyone on my team won lane and we still lost. This is such a shitty-ass game from Riot". The importance people place on winning lane or winning teamfights will not go away even if Riot implements a system so that the losing team can comeback without having to win fights directly, and I doubt that some will ever get used to it. The matter of the fact is that the players, as human beings, do not like losing, yet that will always happen in video games, toxicity exists in every franchise simply because you cannot win every game. Jeez this is a long text, also just my opinion, I could be wrong about everything here.

[@LeReVaQ]

ur stupid if u think gwen has invul like kayle

[@dip8204]

@@LeReVaQ ahhhh you know what i mean, the w shit basically, english ain't my first language

[@nansmeunier3250]

That's why they include reset into every new champs : it's a win more mechanic that does nothing for you when behind.

[@agameh]

'pro players almost never throw games' G2: *allow me to introduce myself*

[@thatotherguy8138]

Suggestions: Use Skarner's Crystal mechanics on a map-wide scale: 1) Place 1 (Crystal) in every quadrant (essentially near the Buffs), and if your team controls that, your minions spawn faster OR their minions spawn slower. Control Top, Top gets the benefit, control Bot, Bot gets the Benefit, control both AND one of the other teams, Mid gets the Benefit, control all 4 and you get some other buff. -get AF'ed as a JG and decide not to dodge? Now you can help Top and Bot (and maybe more) by controlling these Crystals and helping both lanes. -JG not starting on your side or doesn't need a Leash? You can still do something in the first minute or two to help the team. 2) Top and Bot Enclaves have a (Crystal) which allows teleportation from one to the other. If your team controls 1, you get (Shield). If your team controls both (Shield+Bonus). Or no bonuses at all, you just get to go from one side to the other. Others: 1) Creation of permanent (but destroyable) Terrain - eg: Tailyah's Ult creates a "permanent" wall that everyone has to go around, so if used in a Lane it could entirely block Minions (until they destroyed it). 2) Allow for the Disabling of Turrets/Inhibitors rather than just their Destruction -eg: Turrets only attack Visible Targets or Targets engaged in Combat, so if you are Twitch, go Invisible, then go to Tower, you won't get attacked if you don't attack anything. Then you disable the Turret. -If you're able to disable the Nexus, you win. 3) Allowing the control of Minions to direct the Minions. -Kind of like Yone's E, except you direct Minions instead of attack in a spirit form. -if you combined this with the Teleportation Crystal suggestion from above, you could teleport a bunch of Minions from one side of the map to another. 4) The ability to control Jungle Spawns in some way - speed them up for yourself, slow them down for the enemy, disable them entirely, immediate spawn, etc.

[@VechsDavion]

You miss Dominion, don't you Vars? :)

[@Frightning]

Something simple they could do the help with this situation in increase a lot of ult cooldowns, I remember way back when they lowered a lot of ult CDs thinking to myself: "so now [insert champion here] will have their ult up every fight basically no matter what, how are you supposed to play around that?" It used to be, way back in the early days that if you invested ults and won a fight, you would be without those ults for the next fight (if the enemy pressured for one soon enough). Now by the time you've finish your power play on the enemy's death timers+backed, cashed in your gold, and got back out onto the map, your ult is up again.

[@zandromex8985]

Say what you will about it, I've never reached the levels of frustration playing dota 2 that I do in league. Despite the fact I don't play ranked in either, despite the fact that all of my friends play league so I pretty much play dota solo, and despite the fact that, for that reason, I've played league way more than Dota, league has a stressing aura that sometimes makes me wanna tear my hear out that I just don't feel in dota.

[@Rageniry]

You put your finger on the absolute worst aspect of league of today. The early game is extremely volatile, one early river skirmish can be enough to set a team ahead to an insurmountable level. This can happen as early as the first scuttle spawn. At that point the rest of the game is basically just playing extremely passively and hope that the enemy throws. The team that gets ahead early gets such immensive map control and pressure that it's hard to set up traps and get picks.

[@loganc8915]

I think you can look at dota as a game that has so many ways to farm and comeback. Having no jg means everyone gets jg farm and can just leave lane if their opponent is too strong. And smokes let you get picks on people who are way ahead.

[@dmitriykoptik7208]

The only really good things in DoTA in terms of ideas to make game interesting and enjoyable are smokes, dusts, stacks and gold comeback mechanic. DoTA is inverted LoL in terms of game time feeling - while LoL feels super fast, DoTA is long and boring. If you think that play Top is "counterpick 2 win" lane, than you never played DoTA. League match can be decided by first kills, but DoTA match can be decided by drafts and laning a losing match in DoTA feels like you are being poisoned and dying slowly. Biggest contributors to this feel are deny system, which makes you not only lose farm, but, what is more important, XP as well, and complete retardness of 80% of characters, who have point&click super strong abilities, who don't need to think about "how to use them", but just "when to use them" and your only way to counter them ingame is to buy items, again its just desicion, not some play. Also DoTA not only don't have junglers, but also is very oppressive towards early roaming. It was popular in some patches, but now its seems to be irrelavant again, which makes laning even more boring. Tower Dives seems risky in League, but in reality they are so much more dangerous in DoTA since you can have 4 TPs on ur sorry ass and get murdered. Objective (Roshan) is useless in Late Game, thus its not really common 4 DoTA to have 1.5 hours game, I had like 20+ of them through my experience with one being almost 3 hours. And while defending was somewhat enjoyable, being winning up to 40 min, get megas, lose one important fight, getting outscaled by enemy team, and then sit through 1:30 hours of pointless attempts to end to be killed, and dumbest shit there is that enemy can't end as well because of megas. Then you will be remembering Elder like a Holy Grail, like a saving grace against these monstrocities. I quitted dota for several months almost all the times after such games, they just make you die inside. Yes, LoL is too overly forgiving to proactive side of a PVP, and it can borrow some nice ideas from DoTA, however it needs to be mentioned that DoTA is basically another side of a problem by being too overly forgiving to reactive side, getting all the risks to those, who try to act in game. Thats the reason DoTA overall is so much worse as a game to enjoy by ordinary consumer and has lower playerbase than League

[@amos9804]

@@dmitriykoptik7208 Dota isn't just worse and therefore has much lower player base. Like League it has its ups and downs, but the reasons it's less popular is that it has a higher skill floor, tutorial is ass (or was, not sure how it is now after it's been updated), less enjoyable on the casual level (small scale combat isn't as sharp and hectic as League), more demanding to run, and is never advertised by Valve. But I think it has an undeniably better and more satisfying competitive experience, and has way more exciting high tier gameplay. It has nearly the same pro viewership as League despite only having a fraction of the population, and the pro games actually resemble pubs and with a lot of action.

[@dmitriykoptik7208]

@Amos Samosir Well, my point was that DotA is worse experience to ordinary consumer. DotA's cons are not some kind of a "payoff" for its enjoyable competitive scene. Only reason why DotA has a decent one and league isn't lies in lack of comeback mechanics in LoL and they're good realization in DotA. Games can be highly competitive, has a room of betterment and be enjoyable even for casuals. Good examples of that might be CSGO and Tekken. Both have good amount of both proactive and reactive mechanics to balance out gaming experience for both casuals and high-tier players. And that further elaborates my point - both DotA and LoL suffers the same problem, but they get to it from different sides. And for me as a normal person, who just wants to play with friends and have fun, LoL is much more comfortable place as a game. DotA is not so much and I wanted to clarify it since many people didn't play it and might feel it is some kind of "better league".

[@oniuserjh]

@@dmitriykoptik7208 ive never fully attempted to pick up dota 2 becuz it feels like a chore, a chore to move around, a chore to finish games, a chore to learn. I can pick up on most other mobas fine becuz they all play similarly to lol and skills and items tend to function on a similar power scale . The appeal of dota 2 looking from the outside in, at least for me, Is how it seems like a game of extremes. You have extremely complex characters like Invoker-build a spell workshop, but on the opposite end you have walking statsticks like Sven, who make annie and garen seem like hard champions. Dota2 items seem insane if you are a smite/lol player, hard cc attached to items is fantasy in these games, pre-everfrost at least, but even then the durations of said cc is still massive. Agnahim's Scepter and Refresher orb are look like fun and absolute insanity to use(at least to me) Talents are a cool concept in dota 2 and HotS and i wish they were in lol. All this is cool, but i hate turn-rates, i hate how variable base attack animations can be, i hate the delay i seem to have everytime i press a button. there are so many point and click abilities, the map is massive and Games seem to take forever and there is no escape besides afking. Paragon kinda reminded me of Dota2 in how long it took to finish matches and how slow movement was,outside of travel mode(which was an abomination), but paragon also had the most bland items i've ever seen in a moba

[@dylanfarris7647]

My favorite thing in League is when your bot and mid go even, or maybe even a bit ahead. But your top laner feeds like his life depends on him going 0-10 against irelia. So the last 15 minutes in lane were completely wasted and your just waiting for that one jackass to stop hitting no on the FF vote because his mom only lets him play 1 game per day.

[@DodacLA]

Something that left me confused reading at first but now makes a lot more sense after watching this video is the objective Bounties that Riot has mentioned in their preseason 2022 post. Basically they plan to add additional bounties for the losing team onto objective(probably tower and drakes i presume.) To give them more comeback chances outside of champion shutdown, which needs you to fight them. Do you think this has actually potential to help this problem and make the game better? Or are we perhaps looking at something like towerplatings again which were meant to combat(or rather give a chance to counter) early snowballing through roaming but actually made snowballing even worse in most cases. (though i have seen it working as intended as well)

[@someawesomeguy4415]

Thinking about this video reminds me of playing this game in season 3, I remember being a beginner back then and because I was so bad my cousins would tell me to sit under tower and farm. Good times, we won sometimes and lost others but now I feel like I do have to fight.

[@johnhao5664]

There's kinda a point to this though. Macro focused gameplay feels unfair: why should our team win a teamfight because of our flashy outplay but lose because of a backdoor? (literally happened to me today) Chess stops being fun when you have random teammates who decide to trade our queen for a bishop. Macro is still plays a pretty heavy role in games, but because it is heavily dependent on teammates each tier of play has the same level of macro across nearly all players. Because of this, macro strategies work but don't do anything because everybody does these macro strategies. Also speaking of chess, it is as snowballey if not more than League. Losing a pawn may lead to a slight disadvantage in the midgame, preventing a comeback, and then would punish you harshly in the endgame with 2 pawns to 1. I have to say, as snowballey as League is it still feels fair. Yes, it is the random kind of fair heavily dependent on teammates, but still fair nevertheless.

[@MaxWoudenberg]

This video feels so relatable, I've been complaining lately that I can't split push on yorick because even in bronze they'll just instagib me or my maiden and I get to wait another 170 seconds before I can make another atempt.

[@paradoxicaldragon]

I'm curious about learning about Dota 2 since you mentioned in passing that Dota 2 is relatively more macro-oriented than League is, but has its own problems. What makes it more macro-oriented, and what are its problems? Would any Dota players be able to shed some light?

[@leipein]

So what makes Dota more macro-oriented than league? Here are few of the answers: 1. Creep(Minion) blocking - you can block your minions every time they spawn so you can pull the minion wave closer to your turrets. 2. Denying - you can kill your own minion at a certain health percentage so your enemy can't have the gold and exp (also you can deny turrets) 3. Creep Pulling - you can make your minions fight the neutral creeps to pull the minion wave back to your turrets also to kill some of it giving the enemy team less minions resulting to less gold and exp. 4. Stacking - You can stack neutral creeps multiple times so you can give your carries more gold when they farm the jungle. 5. Day and Night Cycle - it affects your vision also some abilities (That's why ganking usually starts during the night) 6. Turrets have abilities - you can fortify all your turrets for a few seconds making them immune to damage while also powering their attack (you can also heal turrets using living armor) and many more... The major problem I have with Dota is a good handful of player is toxic. --- if you're going to try and learn how to play DOTA, don't play support heroes 'til you have a good grasp on the game basics. It's better to play as a main carry (position 1). Supports in Dota are mostly responsible on this macro-oriented mechanics - they need to be active from start 'til the end of the game.

[@paradoxicaldragon]

@@leipein your comment about playing support is pretty eye-opening! Thanks for the reply. I would've assumed a newbie would be safer to put on support because of this mental image I have of it being more forgiving due to being relatively low impact (assuming damage contribution is the priority).

[@VechsDavion]

I assume you've seen Dunkey's "I'm Done with League of Legends" video. League today has basically tried to address every complaint Dunkey had -- adding hyper carries so "Good players can be good and carry the game themselves" and adding elder and baron changes so that matches are over faster, because Dunkey complained about being stuck in games for 50+ minutes. They added turret plating so "pushing stupid towers" was more rewarding. They turned off all chat. Riot has actually addressed I think every complaint he layed out about League, but it would seem that a lot of these fixes are now... bad?

[@faithstar3072]

Vars about to drop a nuke on Lol!

[@aaronscott7467]

I don't think snowballing comes purely from the over-reliance on combat. I think that snowballing as a whole has always been in the game, but has been exasperated in recent years with plates, shutdown gold, more valuable objectives, and most recently more gold efficient items

[@briargray2355]

"You can't set traps" *laughs in Teemo*

[@KingPyro123]

Crazy enough looks like they agreed with, a bunch of preaseason changes have to do with non combat lead building. The elemental dragons are also getting touched up again.

[@lordmango6060]

At this point, I'm just gonna stick to LoR, and wait for that fighting game. I'm tired of losing games because a team mate goes afk or feeds

[@NovaGN]

Give me the fighting game. Now.

[@lordmango6060]

@@NovaGN bro, i absolutely love fighting games. I mostly play Tekken and Smash, and I'm so pumped for whatever Riot puts out

[@omegalongdong]

Remember in season 8 a fed tank could tank and survive 50 seconds on the middle of the enemy team.

[@WolfishMagic]

i played league years ago and I can remember getting 40-50 min games where we were massively behind but we fought to survive, clear waves and brought out the win. now it feels like even if u win lane if u lose something elsewhere that can snowball the enemy u cant come back, even if u dont die, farm ect u can never fight back. I just played a game where we won bot and got first dragon but our talon never ganked and their kayn spam ganked mid and top. he got super fed and started coming bot - we didnt die but wed lost first tower in mid and we couldnt push our lead bot. so we just lost, I died 4 times in the entire game despite them having a super fed kayn and their whole team being strong except their varus (enemy adc) but we just couldnt fight bc i was the only one useful on our team in terms of stats and I couldnt get into a fight bc of kayn so im just stuck hitting tanks while my team dies around me bc they cant survive or kill bc the enemy has better stats. like our team played bad but that game could have been winnable in the past. we were trying to extend the game, outscale and live but the enemy gets to take a bunch of drags and all the farm ect so they just have so much more stats

[@PsQueak2]

I don't know if this video will touch on it, but for me, it's the poor investment feedback. The amount you can invest in this game, only to receive minimal returns, is quite frankly frustrating and off-putting. And it's in every aspect of the game. Your years-long investment to the game might only see you rise a tier or two in ranked for your personal plateau. And, on a smaller scale, each game itself is a huge investment which might end in little to no returns, or even negative returns in the case of a ranked loss. In other games you can play a 5 or 10 minute match, lose, and jump right back into another one to redeem it, with your personal agency being a huge factor. In this game you could play for 45 minutes, lose by a simple micro misplay in a really tight game, and lose just as much for that investment as if you had lost all your towers and nexus in a 10 minutes in a landslide. And your personal agency might not even factor into it. And the amount of anxiety created by that poor investment feedback makes both losing and winning feel exhausting. In victory, you're not happy you won, you're relieved you didn't lose. You don't play this game to win it, you play to not lose it.

[@kreeperkiller4423]

This is less a problem with League not being fun in general and more just a problem with playing the game for a long time. The more League games someone wins, the less enjoyment they get from those wins. The only way I’ve found to counteract this decay is to change how I play the game. I play off meta builds to do this, but playing different champs, gamemodes, or playing with/without premades is a way to mix things up.

[@mawillix2018]

Sounds more like a problem with your attitude towards the game, and playing it for the sole purpose of getting wins. Win = Fun? Lose = No-no Personally I love playing League, almost every game of League that I play, I play because it's fun. Winning is slightly less fun, as it puts me back in queue waiting to play again, but in some cases a clutch victory makes it fun, or the need for a break after a 50 minute game makes being in queue acceptable. I play League because I want to, you should try it.

[@DyrianLightbringer]

I can't even follow a team fight. Doesn't matter if I'm watching a player on youtube or if I'm the one doing the fighting. Suddenly, people die, and I have no idea what hit them. The game play is just too fast. It doesn't matter if I can outsmart my opponent if I can't react fast enough. Conversely, I don't have the same problem playing Smash Bros. I can't play at a competitive level, because I'm just not that fast, but against most of my friends, I can follow the fights easily and can usually win. For some reason, in League, you put three or four champions in a fight, and suddenly I don't even know where I am anymore, and I'm dead before I know I've been attacked.

[@joekenwood4956]

This video's gonna be a real bomb im so hyped, can't wait

[@David-dj8on]

I think the game's biggest problem is that Riot doesn't listen to the players. They don't understand that the players aren't the masters and challangers or pro players, but the people that actually play the game the most, meaning people like you and me. Now of course i don't think they should listen to every iron 4, 0 lp out there but the fact that they dont listen gives the impresion that they simply dont give a shit. There are champions that have been dominating the game for months, so we nerf Asol. The curent meta basically forces you to build tanky if you are not an adc, so how about another lux skin. Also, the way you gain and lose lp is totally random and very annoying. I had games where i went like 1/12 and won 18 lp and others in which i went 20/5 and won 15. Or when i am the only one with a positive kd in my team and the only one actively triyng to win the game so i still lose 16 lp cause i guess i just fucking suck. I think its totally unfair that you only lose 5 lp less if you have an afk. Playing 4v5 puts you in a constant disadvantage. You have a high chance to lose every teamfight. You cant backdoor or splitpush cause that will leave your team in a 3v5 which is almost alaways a loss. Its a MASSIVE disadvantage and riots answer to it is: haha you only lose 11lp instead of 16 be happy or get chat restricted for 3 days. Its not even like you gain more lp if you win 4v5. And thats not even talking about the comunity which is absolute garbage. I have seen people tell me to get cancer or that i should see my mother die and stuff like that and they never got banned for it. I literally had a bot account in my ranked game that had even the match history bugged and that account was never banned. Conclusion: Riot is wild

[@cohoslash5893]

Biggest problem with League? You already put it in the title Vars I think theres a mistake

[@paveluzunov7180]

TILD: YES GODDAMIT REVERT THE ITEMS ALREADY IMMA JUMP OF A BRIDGE