Veedu debates a Muslim on Science & Atheism!

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[@Progress_Not_Perfection]

I don't believe in science... I trust the scientific method ...

[@HarshaVardhan-xx6ii]

Well said..

[@TaqiyyaWatchTV2]

Are you aware of the strengths and weakness with each or many of these methods?

[@Kob1yashi]

The scientific method is superior because none of its claims are permanent. Once evidence shows a science fact is wrong, the scientific method looks for a better explaination and corrects itself. How would you know if a claim from a religion is false, you can't since every contradiction is eluded by (choose whatever you want) you don't know arabic, you interpret it wrong etc...

[@erasernox2611]

@@TaqiyyaWatchTV2 If quran works especially in the case of all the claims of Angel's and allah splitting of the moon, if you able to demonstrate any of that and Quran comes out to be true then quran wouldn't be a part of religion anymore, rather it would be considered science, however that isnt the case for quran seeing the fact that it's been written by the person who doesn't know a thing about reality or the laws of the universe

[@hafsabb]

I can't believe this debate was 43 mins long!, it didn't seem THAT long during live stream. But it was a good debate, and the live stream overall was great.

[@FRED-gx2qk]

so what your take lady are you a believer

[@0Er0]

@@FRED-gx2qk do you wanna hear my take... i still think islam is a poisonous cult.

[@bhaskarprasanna9681]

@@FRED-gx2qk you should not be a believer, you should be a seeker..

[@nikhatdarakhshan8183]

WoW it's amazing decision few days earlier my brother was argue on this and he just got mad when I was saying I'm athiest-agnost.😅😂 From that day we have decided we are not gonna discuss religious stuff for peace at home.😬 ~Ex-muslim from India 😊

[@antimonycup7066]

@D D 'Almost no..', so there is one? Pls link them, I'd like to sub.

[@antimonycup7066]

@Pulakeshin II and @D D Thank you both, I missed your reply two days ago but I really appreciate your answers.

[@mansibisht6768]

@Pulakeshin II no ex Muslims are mostly atheist... neither Hindu nor Jain..ex kabir khan

[@thenun1846]

Ex Muslim from Egypt here! Good decision my friend 🙂

[@nikkeipvck8529]

@Pin Apple wtf is ex hindu? Hinduism literally have different athiestic darshana carried Carvaka

[@nightfighter95]

The guest had underwhelming points but one line I liked was: "How can you get order from randomness?" , In science we call the level of chaos in the universe "entropy" and it is recognised by scientists that entropy increases with time, therefore the universe is becoming more chaotic and less ordered over time, the universe was able to give rise to complex systems but these will fade over time and in a few billion years it will be lights out, party over

[@unleashed93]

They need to realize that randomness is the opposite of order, not of complexity. Complexity requires a certain amount of disorder to exist!

[@Balstrome1]

Atheism deals with belief Theism deals with belief Agnostic deals with knowledge Gnostic deals with knowledge. You can be a combination of any of these. And you claim will be different depending on which you are.

[@omaral6443]

Humans being the most Interlectual beings on earth and yet still dont know?

[@sumaiyakhan3498]

Yu should do more of these they are very interesting to watch !!!

[@aliditta7768]

I agree especially with mufti abu layth!

[@hamzahajji5814]

You should ask him why an almighty all knowing god would expect people to believe hearsay and not show them evidence?

[@omaral6443]

The evidence is all around u

[@garnettk21]

​@@omaral6443 There is evidence all around you that Zeus is real. There is evidence all around you that Osiris is real. There is evidence all around you that Odin is real. Allah is just another fictional character filled with contradictions. The Quran is a trite work. It's nothing special, just another text that's Arabcentric and is filled with contradictions, ancient myths, fables, obsolete laws, subjective morals, where you believers all believe in different things and just detract from the text and base your understanding by your own anthropomorphic, subjective, hermeneutical understanding.

[@omaral6443]

@@garnettk21 according to you yes. According to professors and professionals and people with intellect no. The Quran is a magnificent book full of wisdom a book that has not changed for 1400 years. Allah is the ever living has power over all things unlike the creation. The whole earth is build for the human kind and yet u think it all came by chance. Your opinion is flawed its lame and shallow.

[@garnettk21]

@@omaral6443 According to professors and professionals and people with intellect my opinion is correct, I hope you're not ignorant of this fact that many people around the world hold my views, especially ex-muslims. Also, what did you just contribute? Literally nothing. You just stated your own subjective opinion, literally. I could say just the same that the Bible is a magnificent book. The Bhagavad Gita is a magnificent book. The Guru Granth Sahib is a magnificent book. The Book of Mormon is a magnificent book. David Copperfield is a magnificent book etc etc etc. It's all subjective. Believers of other religions say the same thing that their texts are divinely inspired and have not changed and that Jesus, Krishna, Waheguru, Odin, Osiris, Zeus is "the ever living has power over all things unlike the creation." I could say the same thing about you: "Your opinion is flawed its lame and shallow." I at least humbly accept that I do not know what caused our universe instead of arrogantly claiming knowledge based on some infantile, superstitious book filled with fairy tales whose worth is that of garbage. Muhammad is nothing special. Just another primate in the desert.

[@omaral6443]

@@garnettk21 the human being is the most intellectual being on earth. How can we not know what created all things and what we are doing here? Islam answers this. Allah says look around u the evidence of Allah is everywhere in each and every creation on earth. Oil coil gold diamonds fruits veg so on and al on all is for the human being nothing els. U mention all them other religions but they are part of the creation. Allah is the ever living he has no end. He created this universe and this tiny planet for us humans to live and worship allah. He has given us a guid book that's how we humans work with guidance a direction rather then following nothing. It is well documented the life of the prophet he wasnt just anyone who wrote a book and 1400 years later the book is still intact the way it was. If he was just anyone his book would have perished.

[@alexojideagu]

16:00 It's not Random, it's bound by laws of the universe influencing nature. A waterfall falls because of gravity. That waterfall could be heated by motion or heat from the sun of the earth. That heat can interact with chemicals in water to create amino acids. Those amino acids gain energy and move. That doesn't need any God. Even a religious person can admit that.

[@philosopherv3730]

Great debate you did. Thank you 🙏

[@PakistaniMulhidLegacy]

Well done Veedu! This is the best format! Gives us plenty of material! Hope you do this every week.

[@VeeduVidz]

Cheers bro I was inspired by you!!

[@omaral6443]

No u both have left islam what's the purpose of your life?

[@omaral6443]

@shatter gee that was a lame and poor answer. Clearly u have no answer. And stop reading daily mail.

[@explorer7913]

Omar Al 72 hoor

[@Christoph-Dietz]

Next up: The Ex-Muslim Experience brought to you by the Atheist Community of London 😄 Good conversation, Veedu!

[@cpsaleemyt]

This guy thinks that atheists "believe" in science ! Wrong ! Atheists trust science ! For good reasons - because science is based on evidence and method ! Atheists don't have any immutable 'investment" in science, they are willing to be corrected if scientific evidence demands it. Unlike putting one's total trust in one person and in the passages of an ancient , unchanging, unchangeable, unevidenced, unverifiable "holy book" !

[@anasponder2705]

.All your doing is looking at patterns in the past and assigning names to those patterns to predict the future...Its primarily used for predictions. It doesn't explain why those patterns were there in the first place. The assumption made in the scientific method is that there's uniformity in Nature. This can be illustrated in newtonian gravity vs einsteinian gravity. They both generally predict the effects of gravity but have completely different semantics ( i.e pushing vs pulling force) So atheist constantly commit this error.

[@monawwarahmed4230]

A the argument of ‘order’. If something is orderly, does it mean there is a god? When we look at stars, planets and see them constantly bumping on each other in the vast expanse of the cosmos, and when look at their functioning, what description do we attribute: order or non-oder (chaos)? Do we really see a coherent and orderly universe? Or is ‘order’ a human projection, an ‘interpretation’, like interpreting cubism -- where one sees what one wants to see, but the question is is the thing independent of the seer? If there is an order, let’s suppose so, what does it mean? Does this mean there is a God, or there are three Gods or many Gods, which one or what number? If there is an order, does it mean a god in the concept of deism, or does it signify a religious God? Seeing and interpreting ‘orderliness’ is part of our human experience, but what do we know about the universe(s) with its intricacies? An analogy must be applied to things of similarity. Does our definition of what we know as order correspond to the ‘unknown’ (-to what we do not know)? If these questions are relevant then the person using order-argument has a lot of problem.

[@annoymiusperson2589]

what about the kalam cosmological argument?

[@zanyzara8788]

I've saved this in my watch list to enjoy tonight. Hope you good bro. Take care Shaan

[@zanyzara8788]

I loved the old phone comparison

[@mariecleo214]

Hi Veedu u handled this discussion very well! This guy was going around in circles LOL. Thanks for posting. 👏👏

[@omaral6443]

He wasnt he was saying that allaj is the creator not chance.

[@jimmyjimmy553]

Good job Veedu. Hello from India.

[@AmmonRa-wm5kc]

I think what Veedu does is a good work for humanity. Just getting more people with different beliefs to talk to each other will help the world.

[@highr8764]

He's basically saying : god exists because i believe that he exists.

[@omaral6443]

God exists because this creation can not come by it self.

[@blingbling54321]

​@@omaral6443why not?

[@zanyzara8788]

Very respectful debate bro, I enjoyed it immensely. Well done to you both for exchanging brilliant rebuttals. I would have added two points to your great debate though bro. 1 Regarding the rational / irrational, I would have asked him if it's rational that a snake could speak or a horse could fly. 2. Regarding the "belief in science" I would have extrapolated the point that we don't merely believe in science. Rather that we have a testable verifiable model that can demonstrate such a claim, such as gravity. I was once asked why do I believe in evolution, I took the person to The Natural History Museum and managed to get him to literally hold a bone fragment from an early Neanderthal skull. I told him, this is not a peace of "belief", this is a peace of testable verifiable proof. I then said now give me something to touch and hold and test and verify from the Quran" Finally, atheist is just a title to us. I too regard my self an agnostic atheist. You explained that flawlessly. Shaan

[@gliscoreboy8321]

Really good convo. Reminded of how hard it is as a religious person to get your head around simple concepts. That the rest of us take for granted. Because your taught from a young age to use circular logic and reject critical thinking. I admire your patience dude, repsectfull, and empathetic. Mr Hijab should be taking notes. And some atheist to for that matter.

[@RazHafeez]

“How do we get order from randomness” is answered in the question. We see randomness and define it as order. We are pattern seeking animals and, so to speak, are pre-destined to find order in randomness.

[@Currentaffairs-oy9pe]

Damn your patience bruh.

[@idontcarei]

really ...how dumb these religious ppl r

[@StopSpammingOriginal]

Wow! You have the patience of an angel.

[@ultrajabz]

This is an interesting debate

[@ballshippin3809]

I think it's cringy when theists with no background in science and philosophy try to talk like an authority on science and philosophy

[@pratapgadhvi7091]

That's when you grind your teeth and wait for an intelligent input to keep up with real subject.

[@fuzinonzlot]

Order out of chaos. That is order on its own even if not neatly packaged.

[@optimusprime5199]

Good job, veedu. Theist only have unfalsifiable claim.

[@SciStone]

Please read "the selfish gene" or "the blind watchmaker"

[@santoshd18]

The second law of thermodynamics basically says entropy or randomness dictates direction of any physical or chemical process. I honestly don't understand the meaning of " Conscious decision". The 2nd law of TD is empirical.

[@straighttalking2090]

The 'A' in atheist simply means 'not of'. I'm 8 mins in here and the debate could have been settled if the Muslim had understood that.

[@stevestrangelove4970]

The deal is that random and order are qualitative judgment made by us, and those we can't build up a logical argument on the premise of these variables because are subjective to each individual. Now, this also means that one individual can be satified by using these variables, but this conclusion can't be replicated to satisfies everyone and those we discard them.

[@iramhussain9654]

Hi my name is Allah.. I’m here now, sorry been away for Quarantine.

[@pratapgadhvi7091]

Bravo Veedu. You stuck to logic dispite the guy not comprehending anything you were saying. His arguments were sake of argument AS YOU WOULD GET IN HYDE PARK from theist. He did not seem to understand what scientific methods are and how they work.

[@oneat]

You hit your head on a brick wall, dear sir Veedu.

[@aniruddhakhole4025]

SFA is absolutely right: says: " *Religious people are believers, then people who don't believe God then belief or disbelief becomes irrelevant.* You can be a believer or a non believer, the third option has no meaning.

[@uselesshero.official]

What if my belief is that: I don't know/ don't get it/ not convinced yet with the informations I am provided with?

[@ralphdewalto9009]

Yes, atheists and theist believe in the resolt of science. And it's a justifiable believe. In the contrary, believing that the stories in the quaran are true just because the book said so, is not a rational believe (unjustifiable).

[@goldenbrown3283]

The person that told Mohamed who he had met in the cave was his Christian uncle . Yet the uncle hadn't met the angel but he told Mohamed it was the angel. How can you believe someone who has not seen or met the angel.

[@shaan4308]

Hey man I don't know if it's true but heard that the 'wanna be friends' comment is a hacker or something.

[@harbeeg637]

Veedu you areTHE GOD OF PATIENCE can't listen to this guy any more.

[@TheAbueman4]

@veedo vidz, I have sent a message on FB to challenge you on this issue matey

[@rohitfacebook]

Love from India

[@SciStone]

everytime a muslim argues with an atheists they argue from a state of naive ignorance towards natural selection.

[@freemanontheland507]

Islam The Natural Way. Bear witness that I conveyed the message !

[@Useaname]

@@freemanontheland507 no. Now shut up and don't say anything unless it's intelligent.

[@freemanontheland507]

@@Useaname go away BOY = YOB...

[@omaral6443]

Believing everything came from nothing is beyond ignorant.

[@SciStone]

@@omaral6443 believing everything came from something even more complex than everything and attributing that something human traits is laughable.

[@monikabenay2196]

For me - the most interesting exchange was the “God as the First Cause”: if you put value in the “God as the uncaused Cause” - then, your mind will accept God as the ultimate cause of all. If you accept the “uncaused first cause” - then your mind will accept reality of God. If you reject - then your mind will find the idea of God - irrational. Now - it could be worth examining- why do some people choose to accept, and some, reject - the reality of the “uncaused first cause”. Maybe - the first step, - is to know ourselves.

[@jimmyjimmy553]

String theory is random movement of these strings ,and when they realign they perform different functions of life

[@jebus6kryst]

16:00 - SFA needs to look up emergence.

[@LogicPak]

This guy couldn’t put his words or thoughts across clearly . I watched it till 16 minutes, and I think what he meant by “eco system” was that if this existence came as a result of chance, how can one explain the “order” of say like the orbital properties of the universe; layers of intricate order that bespeak an almost unimaginably vast master design, eg the whole physical balance of the universe is adjusted delicately in favour of human life. With the advance of research, it has been discovered that the physical, chemical and biological laws of the universe, basic forces such as gravity and electro-magnetism, the structure of atoms and elements are all “ordered” exactly as they have to be for human life. There are many other delicate adjustments that make the earth ideal for human life: the size of the sun, its distance from the earth, the unique physical and chemical properties of water, the wavelength of the sun’s rays, the way that the earth’s atmosphere contains the gases neccessary to allow respiration, or the Earth’s magnetic field being ideally suited to human life. There are a billion things in such fine order that prove that this planet was intelligently designed and no way could’ve been the result of “chance” Veedu please debate with someone who is at least knowledgable or knows what they’re talking about, and maybe YOU will get exposed.

[@anaskb1798]

The way he's trying to paint every thing as belief and hence are all equally valid is exhausting.. should've asked him "i recieved a revelation from Allah yesterday that I'm the new prophet, do you believe me?"

[@theindividualizt]

Yes, I believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the unicorn. My parents told me they're true, so they must be!

[@haneefgani9956]

Imagine SLAVERY in all the holy books but no COMMONSENCE or LOGIC for any use in the 21st century!!

[@Fizz-rv9cz]

I hope someone handed thia guy one if rixhard dawkins books or he watched the bbc series he did for kids years ago

[@suarsuar747]

I am Indian pork eater atheist..... Love from India.... 💖🇮🇳 😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜

[@optimusprime5199]

Try beef biryani too. It's damn tasty.

[@anybody9059]

@@optimusprime5199 you r doing what Nabi SAW declared unhealthy bad shame on you if you claim you love Nabi SAW ok

[@hawkingdawking4572]

That could be a lie. Northie Hindus do not eat any pork.

[@emkfenboi]

@@hawkingdawking4572 exactly, most of them are vegetarians.

[@haneefgani9956]

Please become an atheist vegetarian like me stop the cruelties of animals mate !

[@thisisanewusername4662]

debating islamic zombies must be mind numbing

[@ralphdewalto9009]

How do we have a biological système ? Evolution. How do we have evolution ? Let's say I don't know. Now what ? If an atheist don't know, he becomes irrational ? Then what is your understanding of a rational mind ? Having the answer to all questions ? "Do you think it's rational to get order from randomness ?" Again what "rational" mean in this question ?

[@bettyblock1300]

Tafadal please 😂😂😂 too funny

[@ralphdewalto9009]

All complex things have to have an creator more complex. Univers is even more complexe. Then univers must have a creator. Fallacy of composition ?

[@shakmo]

Outstanding work VV. Your opponent’s performance here probably helped another 100 Muslims on the brink of dropping Islam make the final decision to leave 👍🏾

[@weepingprophet411]

1) Why did mummed marry his own adopted son's wife? Is he a greatest pervert? 2) Why did God promise howries in jhanna? Is he a supplier piimp?

[@omaral6443]

Why are u the most deluded human? Just go to emir Stein centre for real education on islam and not this junk.

[@omaral6443]

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[@riflebusters1]

Talk with farid responds

[@0Er0]

Farid couldn't handle it.

[@ibnjareerassuyuti5022]

Instead of him try to speak with firas zahabi

[@rupeshvislawath]

Veedu question them on Islamic God and science in particular.

[@nirdharpednekar1142]

I'm glad that there was no discussion on quran till 28th min...

[@idontcarei]

omg caller is so god damn THICK ...

[@cabbageman2184]

FR OMG I COULD NOT CONTINUE

[@AndrewMartinNZ]

Atheism is simply absence of theism. An atheist is a person who is not a theist. An agnostic atheist is a person who doesn't claim to have special knowledge (gnosticism) and is not a theist. If the religious kept to themselves, then there's no need for "atheist", "atheism", etc

[@straighttalking2090]

Who says dogs don't have consciousness? I think they do.

[@FRED-gx2qk]

of course they do its a no brainer

[@straighttalking2090]

@@FRED-gx2qk "no brainer".. Are you teasing? Very good if you are (or not!)

[@AndrewMartinNZ]

SFA: there was no one there at the big bang. So not even Allah? :D

[@omaral6443]

Allah is the ever living.

[@mmuazzem]

Great debate Veedu... If that SFA guy had a brain cell, it would die of loneliness.

[@FRED-gx2qk]

intellect in believers is left at the door

[@hakim7894]

Why does he sound like Nadir Ahmed though 🤔

[@themuslimreport4895]

Can you non believers make up your mind, is it atheism or agnosticism?

[@saif1002]

Can you believers make up your mind, is God a fact or belief?

[@kaloarepo288]

People are born atheist then they are indoctrinated into religion -atheism is the default position!

[@unleashed93]

Every theist I know has serious trouble with the idea of "something from nothing." They reduce emergent phenomena to "something from nothing." However, they never have a problem with God emerging from nothing.... curious.

[@tdsdave]

Its worse than that, typically both xtainity's and Islam's god is described as creating from nothing ( Ex nihilo ) so in their model something from nothing is possible , yet they ironically insist this is the atheist position and ridicule them on it (Atheists need not adopt any position on this, but tend to think in terms of something from something ). Any claim the material of the universe was part of god is typically strongly denied by believers, so the only remaining possibility is it came from nothing according to them.

[@sanjuk5806]

What is irrational is when they say that a creator always existed and then they hide behind definitions. You get order from forces acting on 'random' objects e.g. gravity, electro magnetic. etc. We got a shock when Einstein discovered each of us have out own times depending on our relative speeds and gravitational fields. When quantum mechanics was discovered no one understood anything. Then when dark energy and matter discovered making up 90+ % of the universe we found out how much we don't know! But then found gravity waves look to be true and Higgs Boson - who needs religion the universe is amazing!

[@sanjuk5806]

Is science in a science book true? Why not ask (or aks ?), do electronics work? Does the internet work? Do airplanes work? ...have we gone to the Moon and Mars?...so rockets work!....

[@mickhealy572]

Its always about there God, if Its Gods and myths vs science then include all the gods and myths of humans.. Soooo what do you have for evidence of your particular God and version of a creation? a book? inkstains on paper? that's it? just a story? how fascinating..

[@jimmyjimmy553]

We are a result of a superior race who used to come from different planets and planted us here after many experiments and trials. Like dinaosaurs were wiped out ,ice age, etc. We were definitely created but rationally and under the laws of Physics and not through magic or by one person. Benign human beings who were not able to understand the high technology of these Superior race , termed it as Magic of God's , recorded the same in flowery and poetic language which in today's time we call them as books of religion.

[@futuregreatestpresidentale1221]

God would be an example of order, wouldn't he? Like any sentient being. A mind is itself a system where a person's desires, beliefs, and feelings interact in an orderly (more or less) fashion. So, whose "conscious decision" is this orderly God entity the result of? Or is it just random that he is the way he is? What explains the existence of this orderly God system?

[@thejanjuaexplorer3672]

So if you haven’t seen an atom, does it mean it doesn’t exist? You trust the body of knowledge (science) that already has discovered it through experimentation and observation.Its not a belief, there is significant evidence that suggests that it exists.

[@monawwarahmed4230]

The watch-maker argument has been falsified in the 18th century by David Hume. A watch and the universe are not similar to rationalise an argument: You cannot take two incomparable things to draw a conclusion. A watch, or house, or an aeroplane are thigs of human experience. We know how these things are made; we know their components; we know how every bits come together to form the whole, and we know the entire functioning; we know from the beginning to the end of its formation. Do we know the universe in the same way, in the same similarity: The timing, the components, the functioning, the whole caboodle of it? Is the watch or the house similar to the universe? If not, the argument false.

[@annoymiusperson2589]

Everything that begins to exist must have a cause. The universe didn't just come from nothing by nothing .-.

[@mansibisht6768]

@@annoymiusperson2589 it doesn't mean that thing will send a messanger

[@shumthinspecial]

I hope you can reach out to sabhoor or Muhammad hijab to talk about this subject

[@dennylib1]

This is funny I see people who are emulating the life style of people who live 1400 years ago.those people back then didn't have shaver and blade or barber,so they kept long hair and massive beard it wasn't a choice, they had no option.

[@weepingprophet411]

*Abū al-ʿAlāʾ al-Maʿarrī* The answer to middle eastern madness

[@aliditta7768]

HI VEEDU, THESE HOT TOPICS SHOULD BE DISCUSSED WITH MUFTI ABU LAYTH! MUFTI ABU LAYTH CLEARLY SAYS AND IS WILLING TO PROVE AND DEFEND THE QURAN. MUFTI ABU LAYTH CLEARLY SAYS NOTHING IN THE QURAN GOES AGAINST THE VOICE OF REASON. IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE QURAN HAS MISTAKES PLEASE DISCUSS THIS WITH MUFTI ABU LAYTH.

[@FRED-gx2qk]

hes already done it its on you tube

[@aliditta7768]

@@FRED-gx2qk No he has NOT. He has asked mufti abu layth about how do you know Islam is true. They do not ask mufti abu layth how do you explain clear cut mistakes in the Quran. When they do ask him one or two questions about mistakes in the Quran and he clearly explains and proves that this is not true. Let me give you an example. Veedu for many years believed that the Quran teaches that Jesus spoke as a baby and mary was a virgin. Mufti abu layth clearly explained and showed that nowhere in the Quran does it say jesus spoke as a baby and nowhere in the Quran does it say mary was a virgiin.. when mufti clearly proved to veedu and harris sultan that they were wrong. They were unable to refute mufti abu layth! Please watch Verdi's first meeting with mufti.

[@godofleverege1829]

💡 can I recommend you a book called arguing about gods by graham oppy long book but it can help you to understand why their arguments aren’t successful 😂

[@dannyfauzi7940]

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[@AndrewMartinNZ]

SFA denies Islamic Fate at 32:00

[@straighttalking2090]

Think both of you are talking about _the_ biosphere.. there are lots of different ecosystems.

[@azidanovalkran6433]

First of all I enjoyed this conversation although I feel the conclusions are always fruitless. A few things, if I may Veedu Vidz, I believe it weakened your argument when you kept repeating the whole "Man in a Cave" thing, as the guy is right, it doesn't dismantle the notion of a God being impossible to exist. Muslim Dha'iis get taught to preach like this: GO RAP 1 - Establish God 2 - Establish its Oneness 3 - Establish Revelation AND 4 - Establish Prophet As atheists, this all falls apart when we reject the premise of a God existing. I like your criticism of "What Created God" and they go " God is Uncreated" as you say, why can't we arbitrarily assign this Uncausedness to the Universe (or rather Cosmos) itself. When they said they didn't believe in macroevolution or questioned belief in text books he was lost. The fundamental difference between Veedu and this guy is that Veedu asks how his beliefs can be mistaken. Whereas the typical Muslim only asks how his belief is right, never doubting why it could be wrong.

[@omaral6443]

God is the ever living. Eceything on earth us created for human purpose oil coal gold diamonds and so on. Allah says which favours will u deny? Yet here we are saying it all come by chance.

[@Frank-cb2zo]

Veedu - the voice of reason! This guy will become an atheist....Give him a couple of years.

[@kathleen5237]

It's almost impossible to reason with a theist. Religion is legalised madness

[@annoymiusperson2589]

Is it much as believing that the universe came from nothing?

[@jebus6kryst]

24:30 - SFA is a reality denier. No point in giving him a platform for debate.

[@TheAbueman4]

Erm I think we need a chat Mr Vidz 🤦‍♂️

[@MrKhan-vg5rz]

Aslamualykum brother Hamza. Please educate veedu and his followers. He seems to debate Muslims who don't have the ability to debate.

[@calvinmarkpayne]

I don't agree with him on almost anything but the muslim caller seemed a decent bloke. Compare with the 'dawah' KZbinrs and see that you can disagree without resorting to abuse and threats (either in this life or 'hell').

[@demaloe]

How do you know what scientist say is true? Well, i would put a certain amount of trust in the consensus of the scientists because their claims can be either repeatedly and empirically proven or logically deduced. And most important of all, because science makes the modern world work! "Science" changes. Sure. But when it does change, i will be happy to update my "beliefs" accordingly, based on the new evidence and scientific consensus. Hypothetically speaking, in the presence of undeniable, repeatedly demonstrable proof of an existence of a god or gods, i would be happy to acknowledge their existence. Now if we reverse this scenario, and imagine that it is established without a shadow of a doubt (again, hypothetically speaking), that any god (as perceived by their respective beliefs) does not and cannot exist, would the theists be willing to change their mind?

[@hadzhere]

what is he on about...people act on their beliefs all the time (whether they know for sure something is true or not).

[@jsingh265]

Yeah but yeah but...

[@hamzahajji5814]

iT'S A BeLiEf sYsTeM

[@freemanontheland507]

22:12 Veedu "who created the Creator"...if the Creator was created then the Creator would be someone else !

[@omaral6443]

Allah is the ever living he is the first and has no ending. We humans have limits as Allah has non. He made everything from nothing as he is the ultimate power. The whole earth is build for humans. Not by chance

[@saif1002]

I am a creator of a painting, doesn't mean I created myself.

[@kaskovic1993]

SFA no offence but u shouldn't have taken this debate as ur knowledge of Islam/relgion/atheism is not good enough!

[@abdulsuboorahmed2008]

How come you left the fold of islam

[@andrewkrylov1501]

Constant interrupting from veedu is annoying, even though I am on his side.

[@AndrewMartinNZ]

Scientific method en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

[@zer0875]

Veedu actually doesn't know think there is father xmas but cant prove it but spends his life talking about father xmas! Lol

[@freemanontheland507]

Veedu being an ex Muslim, do you now eat pork?,gamble?,drink alcohol? Indulge in usury?

[@Anonymous-wz1bx]

All this is personal choice.

[@freemanontheland507]

@@Anonymous-wz1bx ISLAM the natural way...

[@mrinmoydey4462]

In Islam Eating pork, drinking alcohol and gambling makes a human imperfect which results into punishment from Allah the all merciful. It doesn't sounds like Allah is merciful, it sounds Allah a very arrogant selfish creator who created us only us to play with us. Which implies Allah means Allah is immoral. Then how Allah can punish those who are immoral, when it itself is immoral.