THE DAY FRIENDS DIED

[@guldmattbb473]

Vee Infuso: Offers to review ‘Joey’ so we do not have to watch it. Everyone: Careful. He’s a hero.

[@VI_V2]

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[@martinlewis6650]

@@VI_V2 the way you have described the evolution of friends just makes me think it mirrors another American comedy i love SCRUBS

[@SporkyMcFly]

@@martinlewis6650 Except SCRUBS was actually good?

[@martinlewis6650]

@@SporkyMcFly so was friends. But they both lost that special something as soon as the cast started directing episode's and becoming executive producer's

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Is this what we're doing to the man? subjecting him to the horrors of television?

[@hazel6185]

my nitpick: everyone shits on Chandler in later seasons and there's no payoff or anything to compensate, they're just mean with him for free

[@indianspartan76]

Oh my God yes! And it's not just endearing fun you have with a friend. The way Phoebe and Rachel talk about him is straight up cruel, not how I'd talk about any of my friends

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

"Who would you punch?" "I'm not going to answer that." "Chandler?" "Yes, but I don't know why."

[@radhiadeedou8286]

Chandler is my favorite character, that pissed me off so much

[@virces6563]

Um Monica is the one who’s abusive

[@radhiadeedou8286]

@@virces6563 they all are, remember the episode where he got glasses?

[@jfdd43]

Shouldn’t this have been called ‘the one where friends died’?

[@anubusx]

😆😆😆

[@cloutchasers45]

Definitely should have been

[@ecb3828]

Ahhhh yesssss 😆

[@Jana-kp7um]

Aaahhhh, an opportunity that was missed😬😅

[@thecrazyalien9207]

That sounds way to dark

[@MartyMcFly__25]

It bugs me that show just ignores Ross's whole other kid. Like Ben is totally forgotten and barely references him ever again.

[@WillowJordan1979]

That's a good point. Did Ben ever meet his sister?

[@welchomestudio]

OK, the character Ross had a son called Ben, but the show never needed Ben. So Ben exists somewhere, and we don't see him. Big deal! It's a story about young adults and their relationships. Including kids in the story for more than a few episodes would have been tedious and would have ruined the balance between the main characters. Kids are not the main focus, and that's a good thing. Other shows do that, and that's great, but Friends wasn't one of these shows.

[@WillowJordan1979]

@@welchomestudio Why have kids in the mix at all then? Either write them in or don't. Ben didn't have to be in every episode, but since they showed him more in the earlier seasons, it was a bit odd and inconsistent that they didn't later on.

[@welchomestudio]

@@WillowJordan1979 Maybe you're right, but I just don't care at all about this character. He's absolutely not the focus of the show for me. That's just entertainment, we watch it because it's fun, not for its coherence or its plausibility (to a certain extent). So yeah, it might be disturbing to some people, but it didn't bother me at all. And why include him in the first place? Well, probably because they needed this character at some point, but he was no longer needed later on, so they ignored him.

[@enigmalfidelity]

​@@welchomestudioI have friends who think the same way about their OWN kids. Anybody who has them knows that they become your life, so they should have either not written him in, or carried out with an actual storyline surrounding Ben. If they don't want to continue to include him, write him out of the story. They chose to just never bring him up again. Imagine thr mindset that instilled on people's lives. Influence comes from everything, even the lack their of.

[@MrRichardBoner]

Joey's money situation is perfectly consistent. - starts off as struggling actor who only gets roles in crappy plays - hits big money with the Days of Our Lives and immediately blows it on the new apartment - gets fired and loses everything he bought, because he did so with credit cards - returns to being struggling actor - gets rehired for DoOL as an extra and gets slight financial stability - becomes popular and a mainstay on DoOL, which gets him high money again

[@danielah3398]

Friends is as good as a sitcom can get without pushing a single envelope, raising any issue, or being original or ground breaking

[@cheesefinnegan]

“Paul Rudd, slide in my DM’s,” I’m dead lol

[@cutscenecinema9973]

Just an aside: back when it was normal to have shows with 20 plus episodes a season (as opposed to the current trend of around 12 episodes a season), clip shows were a common money-managing tactic. The number of clip shows in Friends is just a product of its time and not really something that this show can be criticised for.

[@weathermangohanssj4]

Also, less channels, less syndication, and almost no home release. So the best way to re-see a joke would be if it was in a clipshow episode.

[@pizzahighfive2612]

It's crazy how on the real, the show Friends is still really legit even today. Probably humanity's favorite sitcom of all time, that and I love Lucy.

[@rawchuyhardy]

yeah if u ar a 50yo

[@WhiteChocolate74]

Leave it to Beaver is good too. I Love Lucy is bad ass

[@RedDeadDepressionist]

@@rawchuyhardy hey, 16 y.o. here, found the show in quarantine and it’s my favorite show ever. Not just favorite sitcom, favorite show

[@twentysvn]

This show is iconic. The writing, chemistry and humor was amazing.

[@biggusdickus8281]

Gotta love the "if you are a children... Then piss off"

[@noakesy316]

If I remember correctly, that is the legend Chris Morris on Brass Eye

[@VI_V2]

@@noakesy316 I think my American might be showing because I have no idea what that is.

[@noakesy316]

@@VI_V2 dude, you would love it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zp3Le2aPf9CZmck

[@sumanchhetri1809]

N the children obey

[@biggusdickus8281]

@@VI_V2 don't worry, I don't either

[@ArthurTorrias]

No. They weren't on a break. In the beginning of ep 16 of s03; rachel tells monica, "No, we kinda broke up instead." So no they were never on a break. The relationship was also over for ross the moment he slammed the bar phone on rachel. So no he did not cheat on her either.

[@ArthurTorrias]

@@xWriterclarenocturnexx True, but put yourself in Ross' shoes. He was drunk and he was convinced rachel had been cheating on him with mark.

[@ArthurTorrias]

@kibblewibble Did you not watch the show? Up to that point of the show, ross had been extremely jealous and paranoid of mark, and hearing his voice in the background during the call cemented his beliefs that rachel was cheating on him.

[@ArthurTorrias]

@@xWriterclarenocturnexx I agree, I sympathized with ross, he developed insane trust issues because of carol, but I understood that he went overboard.

[@hessu275]

Ross is definitely a trainwreck but he's still my favorite character of them

[@spenser9908]

Plus he's responsible for possibly the all-time funniest Friends moment - when he's pretending to watch TV.

[@yingyang2838]

he's so chaotic. Once they turned him into a clown who was not always obsessing over Rachel I couldn't get enough of him

[@thomaspeputofules8471]

The thing about Joey...I know people who have constantly gotten dumber and dumber as they got older. So it's not really that unrealistic.

[@funnytime1111]

I remember being 10 years old and watching the series finally live on TV, I don’t even think DVR was a thing yet

[@seanhalldorson1746]

I actually liked the JoeyxRachel relationship. I always hoped that they would end up together. Like all the other good relationships on the show, they built it slowly over time, and like you said, they made each other better. But also, like you said, the RossxRachel on again off again thing was really annoying. Not to mention, they way Ross and Rachel's relationship started was stupid. She had no feelings for him until after she saw the prom night video.

[@TheFairHelena]

Whaaat I think Joey and Rachel could have work. Joey showed maturity with Rachel this would have been great character development were he actually grows up. I think that Ross and Rachel’s relationship was very toxic. Joey always cares about Rachel’s well being and I think she deserved that after all she’s been through. I think there could have been a good story there.

[@eastsidereviews727]

I seem to be among the few black folks who likes Friends. I think the show is good (not as goo as Living Single of course) but I still think it's a quality show. Ross is for sure the worst Friend because of the whole hitting on his cousin thing, bangin one of his students, him being so grossed out at the thought of having a male nanny, how he can talk down to some of the other Friends. Phoebe is clearly the best Friend. Also, Ross and Rachel as a couple is terrible and it's dumb that they ended up together at the end. Show could've used more black folks, cause NYC is one of the most diverse places in the country, but the show is still good.

[@abdullahal-hugbani268]

Why the fuck are Ross and Rachel the gold standard for relationship I mean they are always fighting the much more realistic relationship goal are Jim and Pam from the office (minus season 9) and Jake and Amy for Brooklyn Nine-Nine

[@MartiFeliciani]

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I loved Rachel and Joey together and hated Ross and Rachel. I rooted for them the first time I watched the show, but now it's cringe-worthy and toxic. Rachel and Joey have much more in common, and Joey was so sweet with her while Ross treated her like trash for a long time.

[@BadWilf]

I feel like I read somewhere that the original plan was to have Phoebe marry David, but Paul Rudd endeared himself on to every person involved with the show, so they just kept asking him back

[@wonder5487]

Yes, Phoebe should have ended up with David. Remember, none of this was made with binge-watching in mind. Lots of continuity issues. After a while, the Ross and Rachel thing where they were not together but should have been got old. And the Joey and Rachel thing is when we tuned out the last few seasons. Not only did it not work, the he likes her secretly then she finds out and likes him secretly is a mirror of Ross and Rachel's relationship in the beginning. Joey's entire character changed in the end, for no reason.

[@xshadowscreamx]

Chandler and phoebe are the only likeable characters, The rest become insufferable hell spawn.

[@andreasa8486]

Usually good shows reach their peak at season 3. Friends (in addition to a couple other shows) reached its peak at season 6. I am someone that still watches and loves friends and with the exception of a few storylines that did not age well, the show is still funny and definitely a feel good show!

[@si12007]

I was a rabid friends fan and I quite liked Rachel and Joey. Looking back I can see it was problematic, but I still don't hate it.

[@danielledanicaamazona]

Couples that should have been endgame: David and Pheobe Katara and Zuko

[@renge5589]

KAtANg Is cAnoN tHo-

[@cathybrown7559]

I agree Joey and Rachel - horrible. But one thing that always bugged me was when Emma was born, Ben just disappeared.

[@andremitreuter5397]

I think he dusappeared even a little before that. In fact it rarely feels like Ross was a father

[@anaalicia5029]

Cathy Brown I always thought that too: just a few scenes in the last two seasons with Ross and Ben (one scene per season even!) would’ve fixed that.

[@analiesestrawberries7195]

Apparently the actors would hold themselves back when kids were on set so the show runners thought it was best to film less with the kids so the actors could work better

[@charliehamnett5880]

I heard he found out he had a secret twin brother and went to live with him in some hotel or something like that anyway.

[@lucasconley1394]

I think Joey and Rachel was a great storyline and I do find it kinda weird that Ben just disappeared.

[@aisha6267]

wait why is no one talking about Phoebe finding out who her biological mother is and how it was such a big deal for like 2/3 episodes, and her mom even gave her advice about carrying Frank's babies. and then all of a sudden her mom just disappears from the show and becomes irrelevant and no one ever talks about her again???? not even when Phoebe got married

[@cryoblink9340]

@@LivelyLinnea to be fair, everyone but ross and rachel were pushed to the sidelines up until chandler and monica started dating. phoebe and joey were always majorly shafted.

[@slovnicurling9808]

Because it's a show and the actress probably couldn't continue her role and they didnt't want to cast different person. Everytime you have to ask why about some show the answer is probably "because it's just a show".

[@troywright359]

@@slovnicurling9808 that's fine, yet thinking about the show is not bad. we are allowed to question characters motivations and desires and screentime.

[@aisha6267]

@@slovnicurling9808 yeah but they never make a reference to her ever again? Pheobe continues to reference the fact that her "mother" killed herself (turns out that wasn't her real mother) , yet never again references anything about her biological mother, who is alive and well. idk just seems like the writers completely forgot about the fact that they gave Phoebe a living biological parent who she began to have a relationship with for those few episodes

[@GB2595]

The actress got MS and couldn’t continue her role. Yes they could have referenced her, I agree with you.

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

I though Joey’s wealth fluctuated because he never had a consistent job. He just got roles in shows and movies on and off

[@darkartsdabbler2407]

Unslaad Krosis that would make sense, unfortunately the writers were still inconsistent, even if we apply that theory

[@razieltheFallen1]

there's a video about how Chandler was Joey's sugar daddy,check it.

[@felixbache5369]

Yeah, but as he said, he had a main role in a hit tv-series. You would think he wouldn't have to worry about money for a long time after that.

[@liv97497]

@@felixbache5369 sure but he spent like 2 thousand dollars on a ceramic parrot, one could argue he wasn't great about keeping tabs of his finances

[@andreacigala2709]

yeah it was easy to lose track of it, but I thought Joey's finances were always correlated to the ups-and-downs of his career. And of course Joey would spend all of his earnings immediately.

[@conallross1694]

David Schwimmer is the only reason Ross is ever even SLIGHTLY likeable

[@zebraaapje3320]

Unagi

[@freddiem6805]

It's because of the laughtrack honey

[@CGZ26]

Yes, I agree.

[@ukculture9240]

Naar ross my favourite character he’s the logic of the show

[@hesayshesayhowboutmesay]

UK Culture the guy with 3 divorces, the guy who slept with someone 3 hours after having a blowup with his girl friend, who didn’t like a nanny who was beyond qualified, because he’s a guy, who faked his own death to see who would feel bad and celebrate him, HE’S THE LOGIC OF THE SHOW..........wow.

[@Beerhero]

They ruined the character of Ross, when the series started he was the most responsible and level headed and over the course of ten seasons, bad writing turned him into an awful person.

[@kellirospierski8583]

right?! at first he's a career-minded, somewhat mature divorcee after a 7 year marriage that resulted in a son. then later on he's horny for his cousin and has to constantly reiterate to everyone that THEY WERE ON A BREAK. what kind of middle school shit is that

[@jumokeonifade85]

Kelli Rospierski this is the point I stopped liking Ross, I hated that he never really took responsibility for what he did even though it hurt Rachel, he seemed to narcissistic to put his pride aside!

[@aileengarvin3632]

Ross was always an awful person. It just became more obvious as the show progressed. And let's not even discuss how awful Monica and Rachel were as people. Three people I would definitely not have been friends with!!!!

[@AMY1213141]

Crazy Ross is best Ross imo. Really shows how great an actor David schwimmer is

[@dreday5880]

@@AMY1213141 I also liked "Mental Gellar" for that one episode

[@positivelysimful1283]

I think a show with Chandler and Monica raising their adopted kids in the suburbs would have been the best possible spin-off.

[@slav335]

raising Joey in their garage btw, it sounds like the "Man with a plan" with LeBlanc

[@dinini.]

Yeeaah !! Fo sho

[@bradyismond4351]

with Janice as their neighbor

[@voluntaryismistheanswer]

Yeah, adoptees are cool with that not happening

[@westerling8436]

I got a name for it: Barren Womb

[@tamerafarly7666]

I kind of liked the Joey/Rachel relationship when it was one sided. Joey managed to portray his feelings for Rachel sincerely, but I didn't buy Rachel returning his feelings. I think that falling in love with Rachel and being rejected was one of Joey's best storylines and they should have just left it at that.

[@MysticClaws100]

Totally agree with this. That was one of the few moments of character development for Joey. Rachel's affection for Joey was portrayed much more as a crush and as lust than Joey's affection which was portrayed as love

[@calliepickering2480]

100% agree, I loved seeing Joey in love. It was heartfelt. But it should have ended there.

[@allegraalberoni]

I agree! it was also pretty relatable, but also a great character development for someone who flirts with everyone but suddently falls in love with a friend

[@nadjakari1752]

Tamera Farly I’m of the same mind. It was so pure and sweet. I also liked their kiss actually, I was rooting for them. BUT I also hoped they wouldn’t make it a funny moment of their relationship like they did... just maybe have them realize they were not that good together or that their feelings got mixed and it was better be friends. In a more mature and sweet way again. But it would’ve been perfect if they had ended with the rejection, it was a great storyline. Rachel having feelings for him was rushed and seemed just like “I want him because I can’t have him” moment

[@Itzzy515]

Yeah the stories of 1 to 8 seasons are perfect include the Rachel and Joey love story but 9 and 10 seasons are very forgettable and have awful stories specially 9 season the worst of friends

[@TheLockdownKidNYC]

Remember the episode where Joey dated Ursula? But then Phoebe got jealous but found out Ursula wanted nothing to do with Joey. So Phoebe pretended to be Ursula and broke up with him (because he wouldn't stop being friends with Phoebe - proving his loyalty to Phoebe) and he gave "Ursula" one last kiss which she (Phoebe) very warmly received? And then Joey said "Phoebs?" And Phoebe said, "Yeah" with a smile like she'd fallen in love with him and it was really sweet? AND THEN IT WAS NEVER TOUCHED UPON EVER AGAIN?

[@homelesshannah50]

Cause he got it that she was just trying to protect his feelings

[@bloojkl4520]

It was kinda of alluded throughout the show that Phoebe had a mild crush on Joey. Remember how disappointed she was when Joey had a crush on Rachel and not her?

[@Clownllyy]

and didn’t he say that she looked even more beautiful, that was so cute

[@airotkiv]

@@bloojkl4520 I read somewhere that Matt LeBlanc and Lisa Kudrow always imagined Joey and Phoebe to have a little fling every now and then or to be more than just friends, but the writers never officially incorporated that.

[@ecb3828]

airotkiv yes, I heard that too! They imagined they would always get together by the end, but it never happened.😭 I ship them thoooooo

[@theragingplatypus4743]

Chandler was always my favorite part of the show.

[@spenser9908]

Chandler and Joey were the best part of it. They were like Turk and JD or Fry and Bender. They should never have been torn apart. Sucked when Chandler moved in with Monica.

[@theorchdork9070]

Same

[@funnyguygrayson5163]

Same

[@Ciciatlanticc]

Samee

[@jumokeonifade85]

Mine too ☺️

[@HarveyTwoFaceDent]

Mike and Ross being uncomfortable in each other’s company is the highlight of the entire series

[@ELFanatic]

I always felt that Ross really changed after the "we're on a break" arc. Before that, he was always the most adult person in the room. He married young, was faithful and devoted for several years. finds out he's a dad and immediately wants to be the father. He has a healthy relationship with Carol who is his ex-wife and his complication with susan really boils down to him not wanting to be pushed our or replaced as Ben's father. He lived on his own, made good money and generally the voice of reason in those early episodes. After the break up arc, he was defined as someone who always made large mistakes. Just a shame.

[@flagler88]

It got worse after Emily. He was a mess of a character in season 5 and even more in season 6 when he stayed married to Rachel. I felt they pulled the reigns in on him for season 8 but let it go again season 9 when he hid the phone number of that guy that wanted to date Rachel. To me that was the end of those two as a viable couple and I really didn't want them to reconcile at the end.

[@progeniesofthetoiletpaperh6433]

I actually liked what happened with Ross. Really portrayed that even the people who looks like they got their lives figured out or at least have a stability of having their lives kinda figured out can still make a mistake that will drastically change their character altogether. He went from this really uptight and calculating mf to seizing the moment mf.

[@spenser9908]

Friends took a dip, for me, after Joey and Chandler stopped being roommates. Just wasn't the same.

[@Maxmellow94]

I hear you there

[@brenobertoco]

that was like the end of an era! no more j-man and channy's

[@fullhousefrek]

agree 100%

[@Anam.Fatima19]

I actually agree on this one. Their dynamic was one of the best parts of the entire show.

[@VIDEOSCUORESANNITA]

No. It wasn't the same. It was SOOOO MUCH BETTER after that. I liked more the mature Chandler.

[@BG12sofia]

While I agree partially that David deserved to end up with Phoebe, I can't say I don't like Mike and Phoebe as a couple. Mike always struck me as a guy who traded his conventional and safe life (was born rich, was a lawyer, married) for a little adventure, a little wildness. That's why he left his job as a lawyer and became a pianist. That maybe also why he got divorced. I think Phoebe, being Phoebe, is part of the wildness he wanted to bring into his life. I always saw him as the sane man to counter Phoebe's... well, Phoebeness. But I do agree the relationship progressed a little too quickly. I guess by that time the show was about to wrap up and the writers wanted to make sure Phoebe was married off.

[@anaalicia5029]

Sofia and it was true that she had never had a relationship that was serious. Monica had two! I liked how they wrapped that up!

[@tfphonechick]

I still think Phoebe and Joey would be a fun couple. I never liked Mike either.

[@RheemQ]

@@tfphonechick same Phoebe and Joey were the only couple I thought should be together and they didn't even get together

[@shreyasharma2160]

Mike didn’t get divorced right? His wife died

[@BG12sofia]

@@shreyasharma2160 I think he was divorced. On one episode Ross tried to bond with him over divorces.

[@brolololo]

To me, it died when Emma was born. Ross and Rachel just had no reason NOT to be together other than contrivance.

[@stevewyrick3400]

The fact that Ross and Rachel didn't get an on screen marriage is the worst thing about it besides them spending 7 seasons to finally once and for all get back together for good.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Ross and Rachel stopped been cute after season 4, and it just became a toxic relationship.

[@alexwallar8608]

To me it died when Joey + Rachel became a thing.

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

Ross said he was afraid he and Rachel would break up again, which would hurt Emma's feelings. When he finally decides they should get back together, the whole Joey proposal happens. Joey says Rachel was emotional and hormonal and would've accepted anyone, and Ross says he doesn't want to be just anyone.

[@myeeeeeh]

Quite obvious that the creators were bending over backwards just to drag out the "will they won't they"

[@andreasa8486]

Ross's BEST best moments from the entire show..... His 'Hi' from season one. "I am FINE". Unagi and of course Pivot

[@lim4275]

OMG! The toast he gives at the party he has to prove he’s fine is one of the funniest scenes in the entire series to me. The sandwich thing is also very funny, IMO.

[@andreasa8486]

@@lim4275 my sandwich MY SANDWICH 🤣😂

[@DogZuDem]

@@lim4275 yeah those scenes had me crying in laughter for several minutes and i usually never laugh

[@Adrianne519]

How about Ross' leather pants? That always gets me roaring with laughter! Or his reaction to seeing Chandler and Monica together. It's hard for me not to love the scenes when he's embarrassing himself like the tanning salon and etc just because David is such a good physical comedian!

[@andreasa8486]

@@Adrianne519 oh absolutely! And yes he is a fantastic actor. Ross can be a bit terrible at some times but he managed to make him funny and likeable

[@Film0Graphic]

I find it funny how Chandler and Pheobe seemed the least affected over the seasons, but those two were originally going to get shafted in earlier seasons. The two characters that the producers didn't want sticking around ended up being the best parts, that's just great

[@oifelixcomeherebroe3831]

they're the best characters imo and for the most part, the most likeable cause they stuck to the essence of what their character was supposed to be at the start of the show. The way the other characters evolved was so unnatural and clearly over exaggerated for comedy but it somehow made them less funny.

[@XimenaConstanza]

I can't believe how people say Phoebe was little affected, I believe they changed her character a lot. She was my favorite and ended up being the one I lked the least and even hating her sometimes, cause she was so bitchy! And never ever apologized for her messing up.

[@Film0Graphic]

@@XimenaConstanza I meant least affected, she definitely changed over the course of the show, but I didn’t get annoyed with her like I did with Monica, Rachel, Ross and especially Joey

[@joshuagarnham9703]

Chandler is changed, by Monica. There is character development yes, but in sitcoms characters should not develop that much that it takes away their comedic value. Chandler became less funny throughout his relationship.

[@Film0Graphic]

@@joshuagarnham9703 yeah he grows and changes throughout the show, but it's nothing super drastic. Like Joey going from a bit absent minded and ditzy to full blown idiot by season 3-4

[@Kongaslam]

Watching Ross without the audience reaction makes him a psycho.

[@magnusprime962]

Kongaslam I mean, if I thought the show was realistic and that Ross was any kind of credible threat it would. But I was always able to suspend my disbelief and remember that Ross is the kind of guy who belongs at Weenie Hut Jr’s.

[@skinni_the_P00hBear]

@@magnusprime962 Weenie Hut Jrs💀💀🤣🤣

[@yeezus4950]

Magnus Prime that’s more Chandler, Ross always had a good physique but would wear baggy clothes to hide it

[@shaynemac]

Captain Sobel approves

[@brabbit3389]

Watching dubbed in Japanese all the characters are like cartoon, anime characters- so ridiculously OTT

[@malitman]

I think the day friends died was when they stopped filming it.

[@lordofchaosbillymp233]

This is ancient Earth's most foolish program. Why does Ross, the largest friend, not simply eat the other five?

[@adamchoquette1937]

True KEKW

[@pierreo33]

futurama has so many awesome quotes

[@SirKappy]

This is a Joey heavy episode anyway.

[@caljames8698]

Perhaps they are saving that for sweeps

[@InLoveWithaPaladin]

Lol you sound like my boyfriend Who is oddly similar to Ross 😂

[@asarishepard8171]

AW DAVID. I wish he could have ended with Phoebe. They were so good and all the nerdy awkward people were rooting for him.

[@christinebatt6277]

I know, they really miss something with phoebe and David

[@trinaq]

Seconded, although I DO love myself some Paul Rudd, admittedly, I was rooting for David, as he seemed more in line with Phoebe's wacky personality, while Mike mostly played the straight man to her antics. It's telling that even Hank Azaria wanted David to be with Phoebe! 😊💘

[@asarishepard8171]

@@trinaq I know right? Big fan of Paul Rudd and I love I'm but david seemed so pure with his feelings toward phoebe, he never got over her abroad in Russia.

[@chichichanhchanh9877]

for a second there i thought u were referring to David Schwimmer 🤣🤣

[@RilianSharp]

+1 i like david. but mike is my favorite character.

[@ActiveArron]

A show millions of people watch on repeat even in 2020. Its a long way off dieing.

[@AyeThatsHandsomePete]

People are dumb.

[@Tony36271]

I get you’re supposed to be ragging on friends, but when you start listing what happens in some episodes, I couldn’t help but smile.

[@molla5587]

What annoyed me SO MUCH was the way Chandler‘s character was reduced to being Monica‘s boyfriend/husband. He gradually lost more and more substance he had to his character from the moment he and Monica got together.

[@trildi]

No. He matured and toned down his sarcasm, i.e. his dark view on the world. It was progress, and I get it, no matter how much I love sarcastic Chandler.

[@whodat1917]

agree, but he used his humour to cope with the childhood trauma and depression. once he got with monica, the amount of sarcastic comments and humour in general decreased because he was gradually becoming happier, so it was a nice character development.

[@JustRoudkill]

Ed Carone III that’s how I see it too...

[@renge5589]

This is so true!! I started to dislike his character after he got married.

[@AMY1213141]

He was definitely funnier in the earlier seasons but he was happier in the later seasons

[@timgo5829]

I just have to adress this. Regarding the "clip show" episodes, you have to consider that back in the 90s-early 2000s when the show aired, it had been like a year since you saw the last season and possibly several years since people had whached the earlier seasons. Taking that into acount it dossn't seem that bad of a choise having multiple clip show episodes.

[@RilianSharp]

yeah, when I was watching the show at the time I always really liked the clip show episodes.

[@rorystone3182]

In the late nineties and early 2000s reruns were regularly shown on several channels. If you wanted to see any earlier episode you didn't have to look hard to find it. Friends use of flashbacks was shameless, OFTEN SEVERAL MINUTES at a time you could easily forget you were watching a new episode. All this accomplished was reminding viewers the older series was better and they had no good new ideas.

[@feraflauna3238]

+Timgo-I still think Friends overuse of the clip show episodes were beyond excessive. Scrubs only had one clip show episode in its entire eight seasons (only eight and I'm sticking with that. . .) and it was self aware enough to have it where it was acknowledged clip shows are done when the series "is all out of ideas." Clip shows are the pinnacle of filler. It's to pad out a season, if the budget is cut real bad where they need to scrap money (which Friends didn't have that problem), or it could be something cute and sweet at the end of the series. Friends really didn't NEED all those clip show episodes. One or two would've sufficed, but not anymore more than that, so putting clips shows in as often as they did was infuriating. And may have been done just to be cheap.

[@silverlily35]

I think I hated the clip shows MORE when it was still airing! You had to wait a whole week for a new episode and then they wasted it with just showing you something you could watch when they would air the re-runs over and over in the summer.

[@TheEPICFAIL23]

"joey is reffered to as both 31 and 30 in the same season and in the next season, he is said to be 32" yeah thats how passage of time works

[@Serevarno]

pedrothegeneral right? Nowhere does it say that each season is one year in show time.

[@gcwp7737]

I'm so glad someone said this lol

[@aliyahhb4491]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheSaiyanPrincess89]

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one thinking, "Yeah, the number goes up every single year in the show's time." LMAO

[@christinababy]

there was a thanksgiving and christmas episode every season pretty sure they just didn’t take into account the characters ageing

[@WoodysAR]

JOEY IS AN ACTOR. They go from broke to flush to broke again. In Season 2 he got an ACTING GIG. Finally. They portrayed the lifestyle quite accurately I thought.

[@nazb33]

The moment you mentioned Aisha Tyler, I instantly hit the like button. You got that right. She needs no explanation other than "wow". She's absolutely beautiful

[@kikyoufans]

I hate the Joey and Rachel relationship only b/c how it ended. The writers built such a long buildup for them to finally get together and then just in one episode decides that they are not sexually compatible and thus has to stay friends? Come on! And then after all this experience of a serious emotional involvement with a women, Joey still somehow returns to his stereotypical self... I just don't understand what the writers were thinking...

[@markojovanovikj7169]

So how should have they ended it??

[@jamesmichaels4979]

It was due to the audience and critics' at the hate hating on it. So they ended it quick.

[@TheJotaroKujo]

Fact is Ross and Rachel was a borderline toxic relationship, Joey and Rachel was much better. Fans thought otherwise and doubled down on Ross and Rachel, nostalgia for the first seasons probably, and that's why everything ended up like that in season 10. Really think about just WHY you wouldn't like Rachel and Joey. There is only one answer. Ross. Even this video talks about how he opened his eyes to Ross not being that great and criticizing Ross' behavior, but he still says Rachel and Joey was a mistake and Ross and Rachel were "meant to be". Nostalgia is just that powerful. Fast forward a couple of years in pretty much the same scenario with the show that pretty much inherited Friends, HIMYM. Fans grow to love Barney and Robin. Hate Ted and Robin getting back together at the finale. I wonder why. Becuase we all learned the lesson, deep down. The fans fucked up the ending and forced Ross and Rachel to happen again just because of your memories of the first seasons. People have to stop doubling down and admit they were wrong. I did, it's not that hard.

[@feraflauna3238]

@@TheJotaroKujo Going back on it, Joey was unusually mature and very sweet and gentle around Rachael. He was never jealous and possessive with her the way Ross could be. He treated her like a queen and you can tell he wanted this relationship to be an equal one. I don't necessarily think all the same that Rachael and Joey were compatible. I think Joey had feelings for her but those feelings weren't completely reciprocated by Rachael. If they hadn't wasted so much time on the agonizing "will they or won't they" with Ross and Rachael and actually further developed Joey and Rachael (to be fair, the earlier seasons did hint that there was something between them) rather than dumping it entirely on the last season where Joey accidentally proposes to Rachael using Ross' ring, I may have been more receptive to Joey and Rachael eventually getting together. I also think if Joey was better developed in the later seasons, this also wouldn't have been as much of a problem. Joey's intelligence gets bumped down several notches particularly in the last 2-3 seasons. He is so immature that just because of that, he doesn't seem like he can handle any kind of stable, mature relationship. So when they indicate that he's ready to have that with Rachael, something that wasn't well explored enough to begin with and when he hasn't indicated that he's ready to handle a healthy longterm commitment, that contradiction creates a gigantic whiplash. If the writers really wanted that to happen where Joey and Rachael were the ones that got together instead of Ross and Rachael, they should've committed to it entirely. Have it paved and fleshed out well. Have Ross and Rachael break it off for good where they understand they will never have a stable relationship. And they shouldn't have brought Emma into the picture if Joey and Rachael were meant to be. They really shouldn't have done Emma at all, really, but they did. Just based on how the show handled things, Joey and Rachael didn't really work out still. Maybe with better writing, it could've. . .

[@wallabies917]

One of my problems with Ross and Rachel ending up together is I don’t see why it will last this time. They’ve been on and off for years, what makes them getting together this time any different? I don’t really have any reason to be believe they won’t break up again within a year. Not that I think Rachel should’ve ended up with Joey, either. I think she should’ve taken the plane to Paris for her new job. Starting the show, she was incredibly dependent on her family’s money. She was spoiled and had never worked a day in her life. So having the last episode be her, with no one else to rely on, going to foreign country for her dream job, would’ve been a nice close on her story. I think, anyways.

[@liv97497]

Honestly? It's just that them breaking up in the first place was for a stupid reason. They weren't together for most of the show just to keep the tension in, to add something interesting. For a long time, at least since Emma was born, there was really no reason why they *shouldn't* be together. I agree with you, though. I like to think that they worked out a way that she would still have gone to Paris, because her giving up that opportunity was just dumb.

[@NostalgicMem0ries]

it was made for fans to have happy ending, not about realistic plotline.... i remember in 03 most fans were talking about how it will end, many hated that black ross girlfriend, rachel career stuff also made fans mad, they wanted that love story of s1-s3 to end happy.... sadly it went not as god as it should have been

[@Locohappy]

Ross comes off like this stalking/waiting creep who waits for Rachel to have a weaker moment so they can end up together again. He never got over her and uses her insecurities to his advantage. I would have loved if Rachel would have went to Paris and Ross maybe finally move on. Or just spiral into a bitter womanhater.

[@brendancomiskey2349]

Ross never got the growth his character deserved. Phoebe once made the observation that Carol messed him up with regards to trust, and it was most obvious with Rachel and Mark. The problem was he never grew from this - if they'd shown him getting over his jealousy and trust issues (And maybe both he and Rachel admitting they both contributed to the first break up) the end would have been more satisfying.

[@liv97497]

@@Locohappy that's not 100% true though. People seem to forget that the first time they got back together, it was Rachel who went after him and Ross was in a different relationship. And when he was getting married to someone else Rachel had every intention of disrupting his wedding day, even though she ended up deciding not to. It's easy to paint Ross as a creep but he never went after Rachel when she was in a relationship with someone else. He even tried hard to accept her being with one of his best friends, which is honestly a really weird thing. One of your best friends getting together with your ex-girlfriend and mother of your child is not something that's easy to get over. I don't think they're a perfect couple but I also don't think the problems are one sided - they're both kind of messed up to be honest.

[@arkane9b]

For me, the shift in quality was really noticeable after Phoebe had given birth, which is pretty early in season 5. Characters became more and more flanderized. Especially Phoebe who went from a mostly positive, selfless, honest and caring person, to a real selfish and mean bitch. And her quirkiness and alternative lifestyle changed to just being batshit crazy.

[@trinaq]

I second your thoughts about Phoebe. She started off as ditsy, but the sweetest and caring of the three leading ladies. However, in the later seasons, she just became a callous and shrill shrew out of nowhere, and she was unnecessarily cruel to both Chandler and Ross, especially for NO APPARENT REASON! 🤦🏻‍♀️You could argue that Phoebe became this way after discovering that her family had lied to her for most of her life.

[@arkane9b]

@@trinaq Yes, you could argue that there are story reasons for Phoebe's personality change. But personally, I think it's just lazy and bad writing. The most glaring example I can think of is how she in season 1 refuses to accept money which was wrongfully deposited in her bank account by the bank, even after she has notified the bank and they reward her for it. But in season 8 she mentions how her stretchy pregnancy pants are great for shoplifting melons.

[@mo300z3]

And she looked down on chandler and always mentioned how he's not man enough he's not good enough for Monica and that

[@arkane9b]

@kibblewibble I singled that one joke out because it sort of encapsulates how different Phoebe was from the start of the series compared to then end. This isn't about about her stealing, it's about how she used to be portrayed by the writers as a much better person in the earlier seasons compared to the later ones. "I personally didn't see anything truly bitchy or mean in later seasons". Then you must have watched a different show than the rest of us. Even if there were times were she was helpful or nice in the later seasons, the writers clearly changed her to be more toxic.

[@andreacigala2709]

@@trinaq Tbh I think Phoebe never actually liked Chandler or Ross

[@manoharmanas]

They could have strechted Ross's second marriage to Emily and simultaneously Joey to Rachel. That could have justified Joey's charater more.. Except the British actress playing Emily got pregnant in real life had to be left phased out..

[@timweeks4206]

Ross' birthday is obviously the 29th of February so he has it on different days of each year as to not forget that he has actually passed a year despite it not being his birthday.

[@trinaq]

Even though I'm a diehard "Friends" fanatic, I will agree it went on for a lot longer than it probably should have. Season 10 was probably my least favourite, as most of the Friends became caricatures, and exaggerated versions of themselves, with the arguable exception of Rachel or Chandler, the storylines became ludicrous, and the actors themselves look bored while doing the show.

[@kenianpark2216]

Once the media started constantly publishing how many $$$millions the cast were earning, complete with endless looped re-runs, the show instantly became less appealing.

[@Jose-se9pu]

While season 10 is weak (like season 7 and 8), season 9 was the rock bottom of the show.

[@BabySwearWords]

Jose 84 Season 9 is very forgettable.

[@robynofrye4311]

TBH, if they had given the others more room instead of Ross and Rachel they could have easily made 10 equally quality seasons...

[@Itzzy515]

Yeah season 9 is the worst

[@DarkStorm2Bad8008]

Just throwing this out there: Ross and Rachel weren’t on a break. I thought they were for the longest time, but not only did Ross take it to mean they’d broken up, but Rachel also told Monica that they “kinda broke up instead”. They weren’t on a break; they were over.

[@liljakaren97]

This! And the morning after she stops by his place and she asks him can I be your girlfriend again?

[@DarkStorm2Bad8008]

Lilja Karen I know, right?

[@laurenv6275]

I always thought that too. However, I still "sided" with Rachel, because the whole reason they broke up in the first place was Ross' fault. It was his insane jealousy and need to be in control of Rachel that led to their brake up. I've never understood why everyone seems to fixate on whether or not they were on a break, when what we should really be looking at is the reason they went on a break in the first place.

[@liv97497]

True. They were broken up. It's still a dick move. I always thought they did it well in the show - you could argue both sides and the way they both feel is valid and understandable. For all he knew, they *were* broken up. That doesn't make what he did, and the fact that he didn't come clean about it, hurt any less.

[@dzesien]

I honestly always thought it didn't matter. Were they together or broken up - Rachel had every right to be pissed off and feel betrayed that he hooked up with someone else the second they "broke up" because of Ross having insane jealousy problem. He was giving her such a hard time over his jealousy and then hooked up with someone else the second he could? Nah. I would leave him too.

[@miyazakisimping]

Other than the three of them all becoming couples actually being too far fetched, I'd say that Joey and Phoebe didn't belong together anyway. They had a special, cute bond in their own aloof way. A relationship between them would feel so unnatural to me.

[@Adrianne519]

Thank you! I feel the same way about them! I never wanted to get together, they were just so sweet as friends.

[@MrRichieRides]

Chandler hands down carried this show IMO!!! ESPECIALLY in the later seasons! His sarcasm has always resonated with me in a great way and there were episodes that I probably wouldn’t have liked if not for chandler!! Also Paul Rudd helped in the last couple seasons IMO too say what you will about Paul Rudd but he’s an amazing actor with tons of charisma and just so lovable 🥺❤️

[@toufikelhossami8151]

I can't believe that out of all 7 of Joey's sisters, they couldn't find a single one that would appear in the Joey spin-off and recast instead??

[@timgo5829]

Phoebe and Chandler was oroginaly not supposed to be leading characters, they were just supposed to be supporting. There were meant to be four leads and Monica and Joey was gonna have a romance, you can kind of feel it in the pilot if you think about it while whaching.

[@NostalgicMem0ries]

to be honest i have no idea how could any be leading in this show, all 6 were main characters, no matter what it was planned

[@yusukeurameshi9933]

They change it super fast. That was the original plot but then they sent the whole cast (the 6) to las vegas for a weekend so they can bound and all. So obviously at that point both Phoebe and Chandler were supposed to be just as much important as the others. After the week-end Ross actually had a crush on Rachel so they decide to develop Ross and Rachel instead of Monica and Chandler.

[@ashleymelanie4518]

Thought you said while whanking 😂😂

[@raghurampurohit5251]

Even though I'm a fan of the show, I do nitpick the show a lot. Anytime I re-watch the show, I just skip the whole Joey and Rachel episodes and it would have been much better for the show if Rachel and Ross got back together after Emma was born and just stayed together (they didn't really have a good character arc after Emma was born anyway). But I want some attention now, so I'll compare friends to HIMYM and talk about things that HIMYM handled better than friends which was emotional arcs. Friends always handled romance really well (except for Rachel and Joey) but they were never able to handle grief all that well. For example when Marshall's dad died, I almost cried even though we had seen him like only 7-8 times in the show but same cannot be said for any deaths in Friends and we got to watch Marshall struggle and then come to terms with his dad's death but when Phoebe's grandma died the show just tried to make a joke out of that as well. When Robin found out that she couldn't have kids we saw her struggling throughout the episode even though she didn't really want kids but when Monica found out that she couldn't have kids (Monica who broke up with Richard because she wanted kids) we only saw her hugging Chandler and in the next episode she was just okay with. Then there was that Barney has daddy issues arc where Barney struggled throughout the show and we were never really had something like that in Friends (Monica's issues with her parents were only used as punchlines). Ross by the end of the show became completely unbearable and it's fair that he's getting so much criticism but I have always wondered why Rachel doesn't get any flak for being a brat. She got drunk and revealed to Ross she had feelings for him when he was still with Julie, after they broke up she sabotaged his relationship with Bonnie. She set him up with Emily and then flew to London to sabotage his relationship with Emily and just after Ross got divorced the second time (or was it before the divorce?) she told Ross she had feelings for him just to make herself feel better. And when she got pregnant with Emma, she told her dad that Ross didn't want to marry which led to a whole situation between her dad, Mona and Ross. After Ross and Mona broke up, she told Ross he couldn't date anyone because she couldn't date anyone but started dating without taking Ross's feelings into considerations and then there's the whole Tag situation where the only reason she even hired him was so she could seduce him.

[@megangrant2597]

I absolutely agree. I have loved Friends for so long bu HIMYM is way better in my opionion. It handled very peraonal topics in a very mature way while Friends only played them. For laughs. Fir example when Phoebe gave birth to the triplets she was visuably upset that she muat give them up and the scene where ahe is saying her goodbyes is heartbreaking. But the next episode she never mentioned it again.

[@mccarthy5825]

Wow that's an incredible and interesting comment. Ive grown up with friends and watched it in Ireland from around 96 or so. But only ever seen a few episodes of HIMYM... But with your excellently written comment I think I'm goin to check it out for sure. It seems like there is a lot more to it than I may have realized first. Thanks for sharing your feelings on the show!

[@raghurampurohit5251]

@@mccarthy5825 As someone who's a fan of HIMYM, don't even bother watching the last 2 seasons. They're trash. Other than that, it's a really good show despite the crap that it gets.

[@HAbarneyWK]

@@raghurampurohit5251 The Stella arc is pretty crap too, but otherwise a great show

[@SethColby69]

Honest opinion : I kinda thought the idea of joey and Rachel being together was weird because through most of the seasons it looked like joey would end with phoebe (which should've happened IMO)

[@trinaq]

I concur, even Matt and Jennifer stated that filming romantic scenes together made them feel creepy, as they were great friends off camera. Reportedly, Matt and Lisa wanted to add in a joke hinting that Joey and Phoebe were having a casual friends with benefits relationship during most of the show, but the writers and producers rejected this proposal, on the grounds of it being "too cliche".

[@segundovargas]

Oh, how ironic.

[@laalaag2auntyayag776]

I always thought Joey and Phoebe should have ended up together too. But I watched a video essay about how it means so much more that they didn’t. It shows a man and a woman that really can have a true, loving, completely platonic friendship that doesn’t have one of them only committed to the relationship for the possibility of sex. And I’m not even convinced that’s possible in reality, so it’s nice the show runners wanted to portray that

[@cutscenecinema9973]

Rachel and Joey is what happens when people confuse platonic love and romantic love. Rachel is super lonely and, wanting a partner, turns to Joey, a person she has a deep platonic affection for. Conversely, Joey's whole arc is going from not wanting a relationship to wanting a relationship and again, confusing his deep platonic affection for Rachel with romantic interest. Writing aside, that's why it fizzles out quickly because they both realise that there is no sexual chemistry. And yes, Phoebe and Joey would have worked so much better but can see how wanting to avoid every single Friend pairing off with another Friend meant that could never happen. If Mike was played by anyone but Paul Rudd, Phoebe would have ended up with David. But no one can defeat Paul Rudd's charm.

[@socali742]

I never really thought about phoebe and Joey till this I think that putting them together makes more sense than him and Rachel but I think that they were too similar two childlike spacey oddballs not sure has a lot of balance opposites tend to attract with the show giving us a lot of examples of that and I like LaaLaaG2AuntYaya G point about having them stay only friends to show that they could do just that

[@tyshekka]

Also, it wasn't just a break. Ross believed Rachel broke up with him. So, while sleeping with someone else betrayed his feelings for her, the act also *unknowingly* betrayed Rachel's feelings for him. Rachel thought it was a break, Ross thought it was a break-up. Later, Ross insisted they were on a break so it was okay, while Rachel insisted they were not on a break, and the terminology just made it way too confusing.

[@joshuagarnham9703]

Rachel left it ambiguous on purpose, so she could go back to him whenever she wanted because she thought he would just mope around waiting for her.

[@flagler88]

They got caught up in semantics, regardless of the wording, it felt like things were still up in the air, you don't give up on a long term relationship with a good friend that easily. Ross having sex with someone literally hours after he thought they were done was stupid and he did it soley out of spite as he assumed Rachel had been hooking up with Mark. Considering he could barely stand them in the same room together, I doubt he would have been okay if she had slept with him that night. Plus he lied to her and went all around town making sure she didn't find out, I think in the moment those things were worse in her mind than the sex.

[@aass2649]

Watching this after Mathew Perry' death is just painful

[@matthewschmidt3912]

Lisa Kudrow and Matt Leblanc pitched a story where it turned out Phoebe and Joey hooked up regularly throughout the years. The writers rejected it and argued that if they had, it would've sent the message that friendship only exists as a preamble for sex.

[@feraflauna3238]

+Matthew Schmidt-While the writers had most of the group hook up anyway. . .Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I'm not arguing whether it would have been a good idea or a bad idea (it's not necessarily a bad idea though. . .), it's that the writers' motivations for not including that doesn't make any sense. Joey would probably find Phoebe really charming and quirky in a way that intrigues him. She's not like the usual girls he dates. And Phoebe would be intrigued by Joey's charm but strange innocence. Their relationship would not be a really strong one but they had fun together the whole time, and they just broke it off not because of anything nasty that happened, it's just that they enjoyed each other more as friends than as lovers. That would be a way it could've made sense. They didn't work out but they never were Ross and Rachel where everything blew up badly whenever they had a breakup. Joey just never mentioned it out of respect for Phoebe and they would shrug it off when everyone was bewildered they ever got together. I dunno, I probably would've preferred that a lot more than Joey and Rachel. Definitely the two that ALWAYS should've remained just friends and nothing more. Joey idolized Rachel and respected her but not more than that. He just never reached a point of maturity either where he was ready for a serious relationship throughout the entire series and Rachel never really saw Joey as a potential romantic partner. But Joey and Phoebe are two people that are capable of having a semi serious fun romance together and both realize it's not anything more than that.

[@buddha3209]

Really? Matt Leblanc has always said Joey and Phoboe were always just best friends and nothing more.

[@GreekDudeYiannis]

You know, I kinda like that. Especially with 4 of the 6 main characters pairing off, having it turn out that the last two kept sleeping with each other would've probably sent the wrong message. Just not a good idea.

[@matthewsierakowski5546]

At first they weren’t planning on keeping Mike but they brought him back because of the audiences reaction to Mike that they brought him back. So if it feels rushed, that’s why.

[@joshuagarnham9703]

I think they confused the like of the character with like of the actor. Which can be fatal in sitcoms.

[@mateuszkwietowicz2470]

I personally got the vide that Ross was trying to move one from Rachel - with Julie and Emily and later he was still trying to date and have relationships. Rachell was always destroying his relationships, while Ross tolerated her with Tag, and he only had problems with Joey.... but Rachel would make a big stink every time a woman was showing interest with Ross - like the clerk at the baby shop, she would try to date Ross and Rachel was all mad....I was always under the impression that Rachel was never over him, and just wanted him to stay single forever untill she was ready to marry him...

[@XimenaConstanza]

THIS!!! Thank you! I can't believe everyone says Ross is the toxic one, when Rachel purposedly told Phoebe to give Julie a bad haircut, was OK with Ross dating Bonnie only because she was bald, and since she was not anymore, convinced her to shave her head! Asked Ross to entertain Emily so she could date Joshua, and when Ross falls for Emily all of a sudden Rachel was in love with him and tried to stop the wedding!?? How come that's not toxic? Then she HAD to confess her love for Ross and it faded out pretty quickly. When he was dating Elizabeth, of all men, she decides to date her dad? And everybody mocked Ross for having 3 divorces, yet not even once Rachel refers herself as a divorcee, even though she is too! And like you said, her attitude with the clerk from the baby store. She said she didn't want him to date, admits she's unreasonable but Ross still obeys her. And the minute Rachel goes back to work, she has a thing with her coworker. I have all of this examples and people hate Ross so blindly that they never realize that she never lets him be happy either!

[@Adrianne519]

@@XimenaConstanza Yes! The only woman she didn't try to get rid of was Mona and I gotta say Mona was a saint during that whole being pregnant with another woman thing, I can't remember but I don't even think Rachel had anything to do with their break-up but I could be wrong about that.

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

@Adrianne519 she didn't sabotage their relationship, but it ended because she had moved in with Ross and he went so far to lie to Mona about it that he was lying to her that same night that Mona dumps him. But to her credit, Rachel seems to feel horrible for Ross, to the point where she went to Monica's to not be a part of it. Rachel didn't have a problem with Ross dating Charlie; she had a problem with Charlie dating Joey because her crush on him had just started. I think the whole "I don't want you to date anyone" thing could be due to her pregnancy hormones, I think that's why she can admit it's unreasonable but still want him to give in anyway.

[@BratzRockAngels]

Both Ross and Rachel sabotaged their relationships. They were both annoying in those aspects honestly.

[@JRCSalter]

Friends is one of those stereotypical, by-the-book, formulaic US TV shows; a concept I've never enjoyed. But I love Friends, and it's primarily due to the talent of the actors. It just makes me laugh.

[@zerikeri]

bro i sooo feel you on ross. i remember actively liking him in the beginning, but then finding him soooo annoying by the end. and complete agree on chandler being the best part of friends.

[@Novafwm]

I think ross becomes funnier by the end of the show. Him and phoebe were my favorite characters

[@MANB91UK]

Oh no, the Ross' Spray Tan was amazing - I laughed so hard!

[@RossTheNinja]

Mississippislisly?

[@briannassautheteacher9516]

Best episode!

[@Rani-ry8kg]

Friends didnt ever die we still watch it

[@Tyler_W]

The reason Joey failed the legacy of Friends is the exact same reason why Pirates 4 failed as a follow up to the first 3. Jack Sparrow is a great piece of a bigger puzzle. He's a bit much as the sole and only leading man.

[@theBabyDead]

You're definitely gonna say the office died when micheal left. 100%.

[@user.7710]

i think the office dying was slow as well. i think they kind of made a mistake when they had jim and pam get together because eventually they both became pretentious assholes

[@obsessivefangirl5055]

@@user.7710 ughh thank you so much for summarising why I hate the office in basically one sentence!

[@FrancisR420]

And? he carried that show on his shoulders and made it look easy.

[@WhiteChocolate74]

I don't like Jenna Fischer or Jon Krasinski and I don't like either Jim or Pam. Neither of them are attractive and both characters are smug as heck

[@sarahfavela2133]

Joey and Phoebe had way better chemistry than Joey and Rachel. I hated that entire arc!

[@Thatbohomom]

I love joey and rachel togetehr and here is why. Ross never really respected rachel as we can see how he makes his big love declaration when she leaves for her big job or any other time in the series. Joey always appreciated rachel. For ross, rachel was a fantasy. Joey fell in love with the real rachel, with the rachel who was badass and had a career and a baby and was funny and caring. Ross was in love with a fantasy from high school, with a fantasy he didn't know and anytime rachel acted different than he thought the fantasy was he lost his shit. Joey really really liked her. He was different with her than with any other person. He was gonna step up and be there for Emma, treat Rachel like she wanted to be treated, and really adored who she was. They had a true connection. Joey and Rachels Story felt healthier and more mature than any of the ross and rachel storylines.

[@Kanekonagase]

I agree completely. I thought they had a lot more chemistry than Ross and Rachel ever did. They even had more in common.

[@andreacigala2709]

I totally agree with what you say about Ross, and how Joey appreciated and cared about her more sincerely. But why try and make them into a couple? Wasn't it a wonderful example of loving and caring friends? I think they just ruined it by trying and baking them into a couple.

[@dybruce1]

This is so well explained! I always felt like Rachel and Joeys relationship/friendship developed so naturally and it just made sense to me. I could never really articulate why though, but I totally agree with everything youve said. I didnt necessarily want them to end up together but I liked their character development which brought them together. Ross and Rachel ending up together made NO sense to me at all (other than it being an obvious ploy by the writers to keep viewers happy) They literally both became such different people to who they were when they properly dated. I just didnt believe it. They grew into very independent people leading different lives - I dont even think they were compatible towards the end. Episodes like Rachel helping Ross shop for an outfit for a date (the womans top) and the rooftop party where they were both lusting after Charlie and Joey shows how far theyd come and that their romantic connection had fizzled out.

[@andreamolinar6883]

I agree. Just the fact that Joey was willing to step up so much for Rachel is what really made me love the idea of them ending up together.

[@oake5869]

It’s always that thing were girls hate Ross and some of my male friends just hate Rachel. Let me be the mediator and just say those two fucks deserve each other, whiny brat and snobby bitch, hand in hand to wonderland.

[@ioanamoiceanu9533]

10:05 amm, I don't think you remember the show. Joey got rich rich after getting the Drake Ramore gig, moved out and spent all his money on a new condo and extravagant art pieces. Then he lost the role and lost everything except the porcelain dog. Then he gets the red in the movie that makes him rich again. It's not inconsistent at all if you ask me. It shows very well how getting a lot of money at once and not knowing how to spend it will get you right back where you started

[@kendracurtis1478]

The last comment about friends being a white remake of living single is actually true. They took the same idea and made all the characters white. I still love friends but that’s just the truth

[@dabson547]

i also thought friends never died and they were on a break

[@Doknot-tb9ey]

Good one.

[@Arms1234]

Ross and Rachel never had anything in common.

[@hpfan]

Clearly, as already noted, this is an unpopular opinion, but I think Joey and Rachel made much more sense than Ross and Rachel. I'll say it. Poorly executed and written, sure. But Joey's growing affection was honestly really sweet, and he's entirely more likable than Ross is. But I do think it's a credit to Joey's character because they *did* show that it was gradual and grounded in a real, close, genuine bond and friendship. So when noted ladies' man, Joey does use the words "in love," it felt sincere because it did take time and reflection, and was rooted in an actual relationship with someone he knew and respected for years. When compared to Ross's "I've loved her since she was a hot, popular teenager, and now I'm just going to be jealous and possessive about her forever because I'm entitled" reasoning, it sits better with me, ESPECIALLY looking back. All things considered, I think the writing/execution once they were actually together was the real downfall and what fell flat for me, not the idea or the build up, especially from Joey's side.

[@Marie-vg5og]

I just posted something so similar! I absolutely loved Joey's feelings for Rachel. Her feelings and/or her acting weren't quite as convincing, but I was totally sold by LeBlanc. I Hate Ross & Rachel, and I felt so sad for her getting pregnant by him then settling for him (we all know how well that actually works out in real life right? Especially when you were off & on for the entire decade of your 20s.... *eyeroll*). I hope they film a reunion and Ross & Rachel have long since had their bitter divorce, and Joey & Rachel finally get together in their 50s/60s and she gets to experience a stable, nondramatic partnership. Ugh I can't believe I still feel so strongly about this lol

[@yeezus4950]

Shannon Joey fell for Rachel because she was vulnerable and pregnant at the time, Rachel was maturing at that time of the show while Ross fell for Rachel while she was at her worst. When she was considered spoiled, judgmental, selfish and a “slut”. Despite all of that, Ross saw good in her. Especially since Rachel was willing to be friends with Monica despite Mon being overweight and not popular. Joey only viewed Rachel as eye candy, even after being roommates with her for a year or two before she got pregnant. I can’t find that to be romantic at all, having a guy fall for a girl who is the ex and mother of one of his best friends. Reason ppl don’t care or mind that because it’s Ross, if Ross was portrayed better then ppl would be hating on Joey for it. One good example is ppl going after Ross for feeling hurt after he saw Rachel and Joey making out, no one cared about the context or Ross in general

[@88Ulloa]

I kind of agree with you Shannon, specially from the growing feelings from Joey. However, I really dislike Joey and Rachel as a couple, because they just had 0 chemistry before the writers wanted them to, what, if I'm not mistaken, started off in Season 9, on that episode in which Rachel had that romantic dream with Joey. Their relationship until that point was really sweet, but never felt like it could ever be romantic. 8 Seasons of an almost fraternal friendship, and totally awkward romance, suddenly turned into a passionate love. Doesn't make sense to me. Sometimes through the show, Joey did hit on Rachel, and that makes total sense to me. She's gorgeous, and he's Joey. And everytime he did that before Season 9, her reaction was embarassingly negative, and Joey, on the other hand reacted somewhere between "Ok... whatever..." and "can't blame me for trying". Some examples: - There's an episode in which Joey kisses Rachel on New Year's Eve. After the kiss he says something like "So... felt something?". And she just looks away annoyed... almost disgusted; - In another episode, Joey thinks he's in love with Monica after having a romantic dream with her. He believes he needs to start a romantic relationship with one of his friends, and he sees Rachel before Phoebe, so he hits on her, and again, her reaction is totally negative; - On the episode Joey finds out Rachel is pregnant, he proposes to her, and her reaction, again, is negative (although, not embarassing, this time); There are other times that kind of thing happened, and they showed 0 chemistry. So... IMO, Joey's feelings for Rachel make sense, because they didn't appear suddenly out of nowhere, and Joey pretty much never rejected Rachel before that. All their sexual or "romantic" interactions until Season 8 started from him, what means he did see her a possible love (or pure sexual) interest at the very least. However Rachel's feelings for Joey seem totally unconvincing to me. She actively rejected him a bunch of time through the series, sometimes even with some contempt. Always felt like she wouldn't ever see him as her love interest. I think that some sexual attraction between them could be somewhat believable. But... love? Romance? No way.

[@mfflscotty2095]

@@Marie-vg5og this is some bad fan fiction

[@dhgbfhhhg8d412]

I was obsessed with this show for a few years, but stopped watching around 2002 when I realized it had just become silly and that I was no longer watching it for sharp comedy , but rather just for plot developments. The first 5 seasons are rock solid, and it’s just hit or miss after that. Still one of the best sitcoms ever though.

[@HiHi-lt1cb]

Unpopular opinion... I loved the Joey and Rachel romance. Joey got character development by loving someone outside of just for the looks and the sex. Instead of being a selfish womanizer he became caring and selfless, which I’m sure people will argue wasn’t in his character, but I have to say it was a breath of fresh air to give him development instead of just having one character trait (as mentioned in this video). And he was much better for a Rachel then creepy Ross (he got so awful in the later seasons). At least Joey actually cared about her. And she liked him too! Lol I’d love to hear anyone else’s opinions and I don’t mind comparing them, but this is just my thoughts! :)

[@mfflscotty2095]

You still there. I can write a 5 page essay about why Joey and Rachel aren’t compatible and how Ross and Rachel are essentially the same person with different career interests.

[@manvysings]

@@mfflscotty2095 it doesn't work BECAUSE they are the same person. both of them are stubborn and prideful so there's nobody who's willing to compromise and balance out the other's intensity.

[@A16AdamWalker]

Even being a kid when this first aired, I thought Ross and Rachel were meant to be the villains of Friends... one's a spoiled obnoxious brat who ruined his sister's life on several occasions as a child... the others a spoiled obnoxious brat who went out of her way to ruin reletionships of some she claimed to not be attracted to, only to string the simple minded idiot alone repeatedly. Best moment in Friends was Hugh Laurie pointing out what a horrible person Rachel was. Could of been better someone also pointing out how horrible Ross was... then both characters dying in a fire... but still

[@RalphJr-xp3hp]

A16AdamWalker 😂😂😂.

[@monabohamad2242]

Eww DISGUSTING you people are truly despicable and how is any of that actually true even if it is actually true in the SLIGHTEST you still must have went WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too far😑😒

[@razieltheFallen1]

insert meme here: 2000: who's that guy next to Rachel? 2010:who's that bitch next to House?

[@RilianSharp]

it sucks how Ross goes along with his parents' abuse of Monica, but the blame lies primarily with the parents for playing favorites ever since Monica was born. like no wonder she had trouble with emotional eating.

[@atisnicholson1844]

If you like Monica, you definitely need a psychiatric treatment.

[@kyriakoschrist]

Im i the only one that loves ross and david schwimmers acting?

[@jokullah]

everybody loves schwimmers acting. he is most people's choice of being by far the best actor on the show. they are all competent actors but in my opinion, schwimmer is way above

[@kyriakoschrist]

@@jokullah hell yeah

[@porsche911sbs]

He's the funniest character IMO.

[@urmisharma8360]

I love him He's so funny

[@Noah_ol11]

David Schwimmer is an amazing actor , his performance , his reactions , his scenes ( my favorite is when he fight with Rachel after the 18 pages Front and back, when he said "fine by me" was fucking hilarious ) , people can say anything about Ross , but David Schwimmer is amazing

[@asarishepard8171]

hey i liked friends! the actors really cemented it for me. but i do hate how ross treated rachel when they broke up. DENIED. but the rest, all fun.

[@lanie7569]

asari shepard agreed.

[@ArthurTorrias]

Tbf, rachel was a bitch at times too. I've always liked them both when they weren't romantically involved. Their chemistry when not into each other is gold.

[@stuffwithsoph8264]

@@ArthurTorrias Rachel was a pretty bad friend twoards Monica which always bugged me

[@ArthurTorrias]

@@stuffwithsoph8264 They were all bad friends to each other every now and again, aren't we all, but their positives outweigh their negatives.

[@stuffwithsoph8264]

@@ArthurTorrias I mean- I agree but with Rachel it's hard to find positives tbh. I love Jenifer Aniston and how she played the character but fuck if Rachel isn't an ungreatful, spoiled, narcassistic brat

[@antigonepc]

I hated the fact that after Ross and Rachel broke up that Rachel never had a significant relationship after. Ross dated a ton of women and even got married, but Rachel really just stayed single, aside from a few short flings. I mean, she was gorgeous, it wouldn't be hard for her to get a date, yet she remained single, as if the writers were holding her in stasis for her reunion with Ross. Kinda insulting to the character.

[@mariaathena7910]

I'm a die hard fan and i totally agree with what you said! I never bought Mike and Phoebe. Phoebe and David and Phoebe and Joey made more sense. Keep them coming! Review Joey!

[@courtneyl9123]

If Phoebe hadn't ended up with Mike, my next choice for her was Joey. I couldn't stand David & was glad she didn't end up with him. They're relationship died when he moved away for his career.

[@mariaathena7910]

@@courtneyl9123 This is also a perspective that makes sense 👍

[@PaulieAFantoneJays19]

She wanted to start a family w/ Brad Pitt huh?... Well I wonder how that turned out for Jenn

[@teehee1987]

Lol

[@renge5589]

Aw c'mon, lay off her😳😒

[@aba_zur]

we all know that the day when the office dide it was the day when carell left

[@RalphJr-xp3hp]

SwS _ of course. The saddest episode on The Office.

[@billyboot6117]

The later seasons have their charm

[@MrWeeRhys]

I dont remember carell in The Office. UK ONE BETTER

[@MrAjking808]

Died you mean

[@amanrahmani2632]

honestly after season 4 you can tell the show is starting to decline the characters get more flanderized and Erin was a pretty boring character i think the show started heading down after she showed up you could tell the writers were running out of ideas thats not to say the show was bad but it just never hit its hits again

[@anadaisy6604]

I thought joeys crush on Rachel was cute but of course Rachel’s crush on Joey was kinda gross and l felt for her it was more lustful feelings than romantic feeling

[@irine_elle]

The Joey spin-off wasn't that bad and I will die on that hill Edit: Nevermind, I watched it a long time ago and your video reminded me of the clusterfuck that it was.

[@periachi4961]

I only got mad at the writers when joey dated rachel and when Ross moved to Paris with rachel. Sure he loved her but he didn't want to move to London with Emily due to his son but now he doesnt give a fuck about his son? I still get confused about that

[@urmisharma8360]

I actually love Ross. His anger and over exaggerated reactions show how good of an actor schwimmer is.

[@run4508]

His character is trash tho , David shwimmer is the only reason Ross is tolerable

[@FrancisR420]

How can overexaggerated reactions be good acting? over literally means too much which means not the right amount.

[@RheemQ]

@@run4508 All the characters are trash except Chandler and Gunther.

[@JetblackJay]

The day Cheers died ?

[@trinaq]

Agreed, arguably "Frasier" as well, or maybe both went on for far too long. 😞

[@joylindadichamounix]

Maybe season 8?

[@porsche911sbs]

When Diane left the show?

[@NottyGurlStyle]

I always loved Chandler he was my fave on the show. The crap between Ross & Rachel got old fast. I was rooting for them for years but like you said after a while you didn’t give a shit. I couldn’t understand why they kept going back and forth like they were.. but I just gave up. I think I watched until the end but the episodes wasn’t as good as when it first started. Ps I miss CM Punk 😂😂😂 that clip you used is my fave time with him and Christian

[@rabbitcarrot651]

To me it died with shitty stories like shark porn, Ross kissing his cousin and sister, Rachel and Joey (though I did like his unrequited love storyline) and Rachel ending up with Ross and giving up on all her hopes, dreams and desires.