Vegan Refuses to Let Ex-Vegetarian ‘Off The Hook’ in Debate

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In today's video I sit down with an ex-vegetarian who now eats fish, to discuss the ethical principle of veganism and how he justifies not being vegan. This chat was very productive and I think I left him with a lot to think about. Filmed at Cambridge University, England.
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[@marinaricher3493]

I’m 71, my husband is 83 and my mother who lives with us is 89 years old and we’ve all been vegan for almost 8 years after we’ve watched the documentary Earthlings!!! To us, there was no doubt, we were so disgusted about the way all industries all over the world, treat the animals for people consumption, we decided that the only way not to contribute to the abuses and massacres, was to turn vegan immediately. It was not easy but we did it and it’s the best thing we’ve done!! Thank you Joey for all you do for the voiceless!

[@TaoAlejandro]

What an amazing change you guys did! I did it 3 years ago and I feel the same way, there is no way back

[@36ELRIC]

Well done. It's never too late to do the right thing :)

[@Frenchblue8]

​@@rondarkman. what is wrong with you. No, seriously have you been diagnosed? You need to be. Yesterday

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

@@rondarkman. pointless dipshit

[@GarudaLegends]

Meat eater live vastly longer. Have fun decreasing your life expectancy over a goofy religion. Lol

[@KompassOhneNadel]

Happy to say my mother went vegan now too. At age 73! Never too late.

[@user-ed7pu5uj3q]

Great to hear!!🌱

[@robsengahay5614]

I woke up when I was 59. As Joey said it isn’t hard….whatever your age. One line sums it up for me and that is ‘if you understand why you should be vegan the how is easy’.

[@starcatcher3691]

No doubt due to you !

[@user-ed7pu5uj3q]

@@jaspergolightley326 You specialize in those sorts of comments, I know. Joey's one omission is not blocking the likes of you.

[@Serendipity-gj2me]

Wonderful!

[@AlaskaCamoKim]

Before I became vegan, I hunted and also butchered chickens. If most of these people did the same, took initiative and responsibility for the animal products on their plates, there would be more vegans.

[@Vegan_Ape_2018]

Same. I have a picture of me with a chicken head in my hand, and I was making it face it's decapitated body, whilst in Afghanistan. I hate how fucking embarrassing I used to be.

[@tomhirons7475]

@@Vegan_Ape_2018 i hunt rabbits, but i eat no animal products...

[@someguy2135]

@@tomhirons7475 Why? Is your motivation to not eat animal products based on your health or the environment?

[@Vegan_Ape_2018]

​@tomhirons7475 Are you hunting them just to hunt, or are you also eating them? Last I checked, the flesh of a rabbit is an animal "product."...

[@starcatcher3691]

​@@Vegan_Ape_2018 omg I am glad you arent mean anymore😢

[@thepuscifer]

Mischa seems like a great person with a strong moral compass. I truly believe he will make the change. What an awesome conversation.

[@thebowandbullet]

Pescatarian is omnivore. I really wish people would stop thinking there's an ethical distinction here.

[@mildredhubble6848]

Same with vegetarian 🙄

[@Frenchblue8]

Absolutely right

[@cyan2023]

Fish multiplies in the hundreds precisely because statistically most of the offsprings are expected to end up as food for other animals.

[@zarelli7831]

No! It came from vegetarianism 🤦‍♂️

[@thebowandbullet]

@@AzByCxDwEt What do livestock eat? Think before you repeat other people's long-debunked "arguments."

[@sparky9839]

How does someone believe that fish aren’t sentient in 2023?

[@linzertube]

I think you helped this man, Joey, by providing information of which he was unaware or avoiding. That he sat down with you was a move towards change, and maybe one day he’ll be convincing others to think of animals’ rights.

[@biggiesmol]

His core belief is still in the right place. His awareness will make him transition someday if not right after this interview.

[@liawilbourn]

Joey, I love you, you are my hero. I have a suggestion/recommedation - the #1 pushback I get from soo many people, liberals in particular, where I live and elsewhere, is that "vegan is for privileged white people". Then they use that argument to dismiss any discussion of veganism by white people, especially white men. Of course that is a B.S. argument, especially coming from white people. Please interview more people of color, women especially. And please talk about and show more of them who are vegan! And include the fact that Black Americans are the fastest growing demographic who are vegan. Thank you for all you do! 💚

[@OnlyFinsHI]

Beautiful suggestion sis 🤎 I agree xxx

[@Vegan_Ape_2018]

If those people aren't willing to speak to him, there's nothing he can do. I'm sure he's not only targeting white folk. Also, African Americans ARE the largest ethnic group that is vegan. 😁 🌱💪🏽✌🏾✌🏾

[@jdmmg4904]

Agreed

[@atishbong]

I am Indian, come from a humble background, been vegan for 3 years now. I eat beans, lentils, pasta, rice, chapattis, local fruits and vegetables, etc and that isn’t a privileged thing, this is what poor people eat all over the world. You can show them this msg 😊 Although in reality, they might find other excuses.

[@atishbong]

And I supplement with B12, thats it.

[@veganaktivisten]

Great convo Joey

[@MindVersusMisery]

Hej på dig! Vad kul att påträffa en annan svensk vegan i detta KZbin-fält. Då är vi åtminstone 2 veganer i Sverige! ;)

[@veganaktivisten]

@@MindVersusMisery Tjenare tjenare

[@MrByronBlack]

going vegan is the easiest thing in the world to do if you have a moral backbone.

[@80slimshadys]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 How have you watched so much philosophical content on animal rights and veganism yet still say the dumbest shit? Eating meat inherently isn't wrong. How you obtain it is the issue you pleb.

[@TK-jump]

@@rondarkman. just stick to the boners mate, real man

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@MrByronBlack Yes, it's SO easy. I know lots of people who went vegan back in the '80s when there was like 1 plant based milk and 2 veg burgers -- it's ridiculously easy now, no excuse not to!

[@johnlittle2406]

Eating meat is the easiest thing to do if you have a prime rib ,you dont even need a knife ,you can just eat it off the bone ,

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

@@Max.Resilience get some glasses

[@thebowandbullet]

He seems to have all he needs to go vegan, but he's still overintellectualizing his choices and is ambivalent about learning what would convince him to make the switch.

[@thebowandbullet]

Within 5 seconds, he's already said "journey"... If you know, you know.

[@TheJesster257]

My guy is morally vegan but practically disconnected from his beliefs. He'll come around sooner rather than later.

[@biancat.1873]

We can't have it both ways: we can't say humans are the only species with a sense of morality & then abandon said morality as soon as someone wants a burger or any other convenient animal product from the supermarket 🙄

[@user-ed7pu5uj3q]

Very good point 🌱

[@biancat.1873]

@@user-ed7pu5uj3q thanks 💚

[@starcatcher3691]

And it's not true that animals dont have morality.

[@biancat.1873]

@@starcatcher3691 Of course. But lots of carnists aren't even convinced that animals have sentience, so I don't even start with that (except I know the person I'm talking to...)

[@cattygirl6663]

Humans have the capacity to have morality, doesn’t mean we have to always act on morality. I have morals in some things but I don’t have morals when it comes to what I eat

[@ChaseAvior]

Slaughter is Animal Cruelty Ban Meat

[@someguy2135]

Meat is murder Vegan for life!

[@kafkaeske9017]

Absolutely

[@someguy2135]

@User-93561 Your argument against veganism is admirably concise, but for some reason, I remain unconvinced. Can you refute any of these compelling reasons to boycott animal products? 1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get the most common chronic, deadly diseases) 2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases 3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen. 4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water. Each vegan saves 219,000 gallons of water every year! 5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution 6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation 7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses. Workers in meat packing facilities often endure terrible, dangerous working conditions. 8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity 9-Needless killing of innocent, sentient beings cannot be ethically justified. 10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation. 11- Longer lifespan. 12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.) 13- A healthy plant based diet significantly reduces the chances of ED later in life, and even 1 meal can improve bedroom performance 14- Vegetarians and vegans have lower rates of dementia later in life 15- A plant based diet could save money! You could reduce your food budget by one third! 16-A fully plant based diet improves the immune system according to a study published in the journal BMJ Nutrition Prevention & Health 17-A fully plant based food system would greatly reduce food borne illnesses like salmonella 18-A fully plant based food system would be able to feed millions more people. Our population is growing! 19-A fully plant based food system would save 13,000 lives a year from the air pollution caused by animal agriculture, according to a study 20- A vegan world would save 8 million human lives a year, and $1 trillion in health care and related costs (Oxford Study) Links for some of these are at my channel under "About." If you doubt any of them, I would be glad to cite evidence from credible sources to back them up. KZbin only allows a certain number of links at my channel. After I made my list, I found this video with his own list which overlaps mine. He cites evidence from credible sources in the description. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5SZfp2jqJalnq8

[@someguy2135]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Your argument against veganism is admirably concise, but for some reason, I remain unconvinced. I already know you can't refute any of the compelling reasons to go vegan from our previous encounters.

[@shawndarling1980]

​@U.S Soldier with a M1919 Browning Cool name

[@gangsta891]

I've come to the conclusion it's about discipline... unfortunately many humans lack it

[@Limemill]

It's weird that empathy should have anything to do with discipline. You wouldn't eat people when you slip up, right? It means there's still some disconnect. Interestingly, empathy is something that can be trained, as per studies, through tools like the metta (loving kindness) meditation. I wonder if that could be applied to help one feel more naturally for animals without having to rely on willpower

[@Sebastian-rf1hz]

The one thing stronger than discipline is making the connection that what you eat is the body of a tortured and needlessly killed animal. After that realization you only need the same amount of discipline you need to not eat your dog.

[@sparky9839]

@@Limemill 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻✌🏻

[@MrTheoptimiser]

​@Sebastian thanks for commenting. I think I will steal this for future conversations because it's too right. Once you make the connection remaining vegan takes the same willpower as it takes not to harm your own dog. Restating to cement it in my mind. Thank you so much.

[@thebowandbullet]

Dieting requires discipline. Ethics only require making the logical and moral choice.

[@sadskytristeciel1439]

Joey, please make videos to train other vegan to how to speak like you! You are so well balanced, you listen, you make feedback..., you have amazing communication skills. I'm so proud to be vegan and I'm very humble by you. Be safe bros. Much love to you.

[@Vegan_Ape_2018]

Exvegan translatest to: "I'm ex-anti animal abuse. I'm all for it now" This dude will be vegan, very soon. We can barely get humans to respect other humans. It seems impossible to get them to care for non-human animals, sometimes.

[@jdw0426]

People can be like that

[@Muzafer13]

Didn't you want to keep fallacies out? Strawman. You can be exvegan and be anti animal abuse at the same time. Yes, people and animals are complicated. It's just not a great show of logically consistent behavior, which most people experience at one point or another in their lives (even YOU, comment reader). Not everyone deals with cognitive dissonance the same way. I'm a vegetarian and 'immoral' exvegan (was vegan for nearly 2 years) and I still do admire the vegan lifestyle as it's the most consistent, optimal and usually most compassionate and effective way to reduce animal suffering. What I dont admire is that a lot of times there still is an aggressive and condencending attitude towards the non vegan out-group and this does not help the animals by any means as you get an anti vegan vibe with meat eaters. Being vegetarian is suboptimal but still beats eating meat and fish. If all the consciousness-eaters would start to become at least vegetarian, there would ALSO be a world with less suffering and a lot less animal abuse. Not an ideal one (i.e. vegan world), but I noticed people become way more curious towards the suffering of animals and less aggrivated when I talk to them about it now then when I was a vegan. Changing attitudes requires time and the right strategies. We need as many strategies as possible to fix the horrendous problem. That is: if one, more passive, vegetarian can change 10 people to become vegetarianism without significant collateral damage that is considered a win in my view. Again, not optimal, but it is a small victory. If one vegan causes 5 people to become vegan but 20 to become anti vegan and thefore reinforcing their cruel attitude towards animals and at the same time completely tear down the possibility towards even the lesser, but still cruelty reducing, vegetarianism. The 5 vegans are a great thing but the collateral damage not so much. Anyways, keep being compassionate. Otherwise it's the same problem as mentioned above (logical consistency).

[@Vegan_Ape_2018]

​@@Muzafer13 That's the response I'd expect from a vegetarian. You can't be anti animal abuse and eat animals. That is not a straw man. Murder is inherently abusive. Unless you're a master at mental gymnastics. Lol It may be a "win" by your view, but I bet the animals in cages, living in their own shiite, having their children taken away, and being killed beg to differ.

[@Muzafer13]

A vegetarian doesnt eat animals and yes murder is inherently evil. Where did I say otherwise?

[@Muzafer13]

Your last paragraph is another strawman btw. :-/

[@jimontgomery3865]

Being vegetarian isn't enough animals still get slaughtered

[@Evil_Vegan]

I'm 32. Vegetarian from high school, gradually felt wrong to consume dairy and eggs. It could be just me in denial, but never sure where's the wrong, yet never research either. Then I went vegan not long after college, thanks to Erin's Dairy is Scary! And my biggest regret is for not being vegan earlier... In my case, as a vegetarian, I was just not aware of the specifics... wish someone would've educated me about what's really happening in the industry...

[@fletcha11]

I have told hundreds to watch "Dairy is Scary" Much Love & Respect💚💚

[@callum_abbott]

Joey, I'm not gonna' lie, when I first found your channel, I noticed just how much people praise you, and, to my dismay, I labeled it in my mind as "false praise". I had been vegan for a year at that time, but now I realise that you deserve every ounce of said praise. You are as genuine a person as a person can be, and you have, and are continuing to offer every single species on this planet your much needed services. Keep doing what you're doing.

[@laurameszaros9547]

Joey is so smart and so convincing, I love him. What a beautiful person.

[@mariocecilia4740]

Vegetarians out there, I was one too. The only piece missing is to understand that the meat industry and the animal secretion industry are the same. As simple as that. The milk industry and the beef industry are the same, the egg industry and chicken flesh industry are the same, etc. You can't stop supporting the grape industry if you keep buying wine. Let that sink in.

[@ryker4549]

Very INTELLIGENT conversation Hopefully he will go VEGAN soon

[@jillianroberts9297]

Change may be difficult but its not impossible . Once you know the truth of the torture and cruelty inflicted on animals its not hard ! Its not that difficult. It is abhorrent now. I think this guy will become a vegan after talking to Joey. 💕💕☮️ thank you Joey.

[@Mayu-xc9bt]

Whats up my people I hit my 8th year Vegan anniversary ! Plus I stopped drinking alcohol and stopped smoking weed I'm feeling amazing we can do it.

[@MacFlytrap]

150K!!!! Congratulations 🥳

[@Teneab]

oh wow im so excited for it to premiere

[@TheINFP_Diary]

I see many comments saying why isn't he vegan if he gets its all, some people it just takes longer than others, he's just in a contemplation stage and stays there each meal that has animal products on it. Each time he chooses those products it reinforces this ritual. Many will say people lack discipline, morality, and will power, and yes that's 100% correct. It wasn't will power that got me to overcome my nicotine addiction, it was a set of principles i could refer back to just incase i needed to redirect my mindset so i wouldn't relapse, most people fail quoting nicotine unfortunately, im proud I was able to. Going raw vegan for me now is the easiest decision i've made.

[@hm9181]

He’s going vegan for sure!!! It clicked in his head. We all know how that feels 💛💛 🌱

[@LouisGedo]

*2023...........................Year of the Vegan Activist* 🏆

[@LouisGedo]

@@jaspergolightley326 Awwww........that's so poetic, sweetie! 😘

[@Trolloftruth]

You said that last year, and the year before, and the year before that Do you lie....everytime? Oh, yes you do...you're vegan

[@LouisGedo]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 It's quite comical how you made several YT channels just so that you can have 1 person in the entire world who's on your delusional wavelength. 🙄

[@LouisGedo]

@Pacman McGavin you never wipe your ass after you use it to hide the salami........ why is that? 😆 🤣 😂

[@meeeeze]

I was just like him before I went vegan. I was vegetarian for 11 years and I never *really* questioned milk or eggs. But once I made it to veganism, and made the connection, I'll never go back to animal abuse

[@feelingoffbalance]

Is it just me or is the thumbnail sexy? He's like: please don't..looking into each other's eyes haha

[@stephaniemarie4205]

Joey you keep on inspiring me with your videos🌱

[@VeganEnthusiast4life]

The dude: You know what I mean? Joey “yeah, I know what you mean”

[@rebelvgan4579]

Eat beans, not beings 😁😊🌱💚

[@someguy2135]

That would be a great T-shirt or bumper sticker!

[@x-latetv-x6816]

No thanks beans upset my stomach

[@biancat.1873]

@@x-latetv-x6816 Eat grains, not beings with brains then :D

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@biancat.1873 had a small bit today

[@biancat.1873]

@@x-latetv-x6816 Good :)

[@scottreutter]

This is a great video for vegetarians and pescatarians to watch

[@Redhotquagmire]

Dude, this conversation was awesome and gave me so much inspiration to hopefully be able to convince even more people to stop eating animals!! Thank you so much for everything you do, Joey. It does not go unappreciated. 💖

[@pupolozano]

Its all about GLOUTONY. This make people even those who understand the value of animals betray theyr believes for a flavor, its almost like an adiction.

[@80slimshadys]

It is an addiction. If you can't give something up immediately without making excuses to keep doing it that is an addiction. Letting something control you like that is addiction.

[@80slimshadys]

@@jaspergolightley326being unemployed is a description of your circumstances, not substances that physically alter your body in some way, so no.

[@80slimshadys]

@@jaspergolightley326 what are you talking about?

[@trish5111]

I'm a food addict...but still vegan.

[@BoopMeHard]

If you feel deep down in your soul that animal exploitation/murder is unethical, the choice to switch to a vegan lifestyle is NOT difficult.

[@The40yearoldVegan]

Oh Carolina, you 1st claimed that Dominion the movie and dairy is scary are false. But they aren’t and why would that matter to you? If it bothers you then you should really reflect on what you’ve been told. The reason people asked you if you where paid is because none of what you said was from you. It was merely recycled talking points. Carolyn please think for yourself not what the animal ag machine told you. There’s a reason why you deny the movies, because it doesn’t reflect you’re values.

[@majoritypatella2503]

For me it's about viewing animals as sentient individuals rather than resources.

[@Rescue127]

Thanks for all you do joey for the voiceless

[@Anubis424242]

I can’t imagine making exceptions for eating fish. I used to go fishing with my grandfather growing up and we always ate them. Once you've seen what goes into making fish filets with your own eyes and do it yourself, it's a memory that haunts me now that I'm vegan. Imagining the same thing happening to me is terrifying.

[@clarecurtis36]

Thank you for everything you do for the animals on this planet! I hope I can be as brave as you one day! Vegan for life:)

[@jonjonwp]

Was that Cosmic Skeptics brother?

[@thegratefulsteve]

Comfort is the enemy of change.

[@palmergaz]

The disconnect from what he does to what he knows 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@quintama1007]

One second and he already said journey.

[@joesphlebronrolando1069]

Go Vegan

[@someguy2135]

It is the only ethical option.

[@someguy2135]

@@steveturner8162 Jeremy Clarkson? Is that you? kzbin.infofZobgJM_Chs

[@someguy2135]

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Not being vegan is the only ethical option? What makes you think that?

[@cattygirl6663]

Nah I’m good

[@cattygirl6663]

@@someguy2135 sure but I don’t want to be vegan so I won’t choose that option

[@tabirockz]

this is probably my favorite discussion of joeys ❤

[@googlekillsfreespeech4370]

It's easy to make changes. Four years ago I went veggie overnight then found out about dairy and eggs, so went vegan two weeks later.

[@jayeshpatel9854]

Wouldn't it be great if all non-vegans were as thoughtful, honest and introspective as Joey's collocutor in this video.

[@starcatcher3691]

I think hes the most honest

[@gocrazy432]

Morality is objective. It is a spectrum of acceptable actions based on well being and fairness. Usually there are descriptions of oughts and is statements so goals get created. Though life's goal is personal and subjective simply because experiences though can be shared aren't 100% synchronized with others thoughts and experiences. We can objectively create morality via discussion and thought rather than just be unquestioning and it will change over time to be more fair, less hypocritical, and develop tenants of oughts and ought nots almost like discovering mathematic principals and scientific phenomena.

[@palmergaz]

A lot of words to say nothing. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@gocrazy432]

@@palmergaz 3 words. Morality is objective. Said in more words. Why even bother commenting?

[@countrywithouttrucksandbeerpls]

Wonderful conversation, and off topic, what a good looking guy.....! I hope he'll make the change, but i sense a lot of resistance from him despite what he said there.

[@JehRiy]

Veganism should be normalised..

[@chucklarsen]

Yes, let's malnurish the whole world with anti-nutrients.

[@weevil8025]

@@chucklarsen Yes, let's free up millions of acres of land used for animal feed so we can use that feed to end world hunger instead.

[@Alephu5]

I dont eat animals at all, but I think animal products are a grey area. I have chickens and bees at my home and give them plenty of space and a natural habitat, as far as I can tell they're living happy lives. I eat the chicken's eggs, bee honey and use their wax but never take more than they can afford to lose. If the bees wanted to leave they could, but they choose to stay. I've seen people rear dairy cows in an ethical way too, they're bred to produce surplus milk so you can fill a small bucket each morning and leave enough for the calves. Again, these animals can live happy natural lives and provide useful ecological functions.

[@avantgardenovelist]

This is one of the all-time best, the way Joey employed his Jedi mind s**t and got dude I had already dismissed as a heartless sun of a beach and turned him into a vegan.

[@BadNewsChief]

Alot of misinformation and misunderstanding about farming in this video. Makes me sad! I would be curious as too what they suggest we should do with all the animals that are being "held in captivity and slavery" as well as to how we could adapt agriculturally to that sort of massive change. Also curious, where do we draw the line with these animal rights? Can I still swat a fly or am I violating its rights?

[@billwalton4571]

Morals are something we humans democratically decided on to benefit ourselves. Killing animals is not immoral because we have not decided it to be immoral, for it would be a major inconvenience that does not benefit our species. The death penalty for hardened criminals in many parts of the world is not immoral because the society in those places have a democratic consensus that it is not immoral. The problem with these vegans is that they have a minority belief that killing animals is 'murder'. But it is not murder because we have not had a referendum to decide it to be murder. That of course would come with huge implications in pest control etc. Are we going dob in our neighbours we saw stepping on an ant, and have homicide come to investigate? And do we then force our beliefs on other continents such Africa that take their morals from religion. If God created animals for humans to eat then how can it be a sin? The problem with these vegans is that they can not possibly get such a referendum through parliament, so instead they go virtue signalling on the street, shaming random people walking by who are not equip to debate like a barrister would come equip to a court case. They are unaccepting of other peoples beliefs (such as religious people) which comes with huge implications itself because if people are not entitled to their beliefs, then so neither are the vegans entitled. Of course it opens up so many more questions to be raised, such as then how do we morally justify killing plants, just because they dont feel pain they are a life that is trying to multiply their seeds, it would be discrimination, they never harmed anyone, whereas carnivorous animals have committed murder so are more deserving of being killed themselves.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

​@@billwalton4571 But we have decided killing animals as immoral. It is illegal many places to abuse and kill cats and dogs. What is the difference between a cat, dog, horse or dolphin and the cows, pigs, chickens and turkeys? Why do we love some animals and eat others? Culture and religion do not dictate morality. Some cultures still endorse stoning women to death. Stepping on an ant is hardly the same as purposefully raising 80 billion land animals for the sole purpose of exploiting and killing the animal unnecessarily for food. We have literally hundreds of other options that don't cause nearly the amount of damage to the animals, or health and the environment. If you're worried about plants, that aren't sentient by the way, the you should be interested to know that vegans harm far less plants than the animals harm to eat enough to gain weight for you to pay for their slaughter. You made an argument for veganism, not against.

[@Zar2244]

Your forgetting that they end up terrified wait I g to be murdered.

[@BadNewsChief]

@@Zar2244 False

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

The animals currently exploited have been bred into existence to meet demand. As demand decreases, so will supply. The only reason livestock farmers do what they do is for the financial incentive. They are, after all, a business.

[@pennysutton6493]

Fantastic interview Joey- I like the way the guest started asking you questions at the end!!! I think we have another vegan in him!!🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@Zar2244]

People are like sheep, we go along with the crowd. The documentaries about where meat, dairy and eggs come from can help people open their eyes to reality in my opinion. But of course they need to be willing to be educated on the subject. Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation!!

[@stevesas632]

So frustrating when you find someone that truly cares, but constantly drags their heels & tries to find excuses & reasons not to go fully Vegan.

[@Padrean23]

I'll be honest... I clicked thinking that was CosmicSkeptic 😅

[@koshgam]

The journey tho

[@crazymetalhead516]

Excellent video, Joey!!

[@oceanbea7237]

tuna are beaten to death, that's hard to swallow

[@foreverseeking6633]

I have a 4 month old 100% breastfed. We had a mchn appt recently and was told that now people are recommended to feed babies meat straight away because their iron stores drop around 6 Months. I can't remember the last time I bought meat, so I looked up nutritionists in my area to get information on how to make sure a new born gets all the nutrients they need. The closest nutritionist to me is an hour away. I figured nutritionists would be everywhere..

[@36ELRIC]

That man talks like a vegan, he will make the change. I would have liked to have seen you explain the dairy industry step by step because he clearly doesn't know anything about it. I'm sure he will go home and research it. He is in for a shock.

[@dodgeball693]

He’s worse than your average omnivore because he knows better! And yet he’s more self righteous than most vegans…amazing.

[@kallekallesson1761]

This carbstrong guy is not the sharpest tool in the box... jeez

[@Steve-zs2eg]

Oh? And tell me why you think that?

[@streetvegan]

Joey Carbstrong for the next James Bond!

[@maisiebadham2773]

The way he talks is like he’s trying to convince JOEY to go vegan.. he’s already vegan mate it’s you that’s not 😂😂

[@suicune2001]

Good job!

[@vivekp4854]

As an Indian i never tried beef until recently, got to say it was far better than i expected and i can understand why everyone in western countries like it. But fish still remains my favourite.

[@sking2173]

When given a choice, take both !!

[@billwalton4571]

Doctors do not recommend lifelong supplementing diet with pills.

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

And which pills do vegans supplement their diet with?

[@Zar2244]

No, and so many meat eaters take pills, but usually to counteract their clogged up blood vessels from eating animals

[@YuukiuuYik]

What a great talk❤

[@paulamya2990]

Perfect!💚🌱

[@rahtsnake144]

awesome! and hopeful!

[@FellOverLaughing]

First two adverts played during this video. McDonald’s ad for bacon and egg muffin. Secondly Hungry Jacks burgers. Because this video is monetised, it’s benefiting financially from the industry it supposedly stands against. So on one hand it makes a strong moral argument then it breaks it. Hypocritical even if it’s not intentional.

[@tarotqueen9118]

It seems to me he has disconnected because he knows, but for whatever reason, he went back to eating animals and reverted back to his old way of viewing them.

[@charliemorrison8168]

His moves back and forth is more self-centered and nothing to do with the animals rights. He seems to have zero empathy and compassion for the animals.

[@Meatmanmark75]

Murder is when a human kills another human, not an animal and yes we are thr higher being so we do decide who lives and who dies , as lions decide in the wild who they kill, has the human race decides who animals to protect and eat, in something to live something as to die in all walks of life.

[@idowebwork]

Went Vegan at age 41, so his argument about it behind hard to change and that the further in life you are the harder it becomes to change is total BS. I mean he was vegetarian, then started eating fish. He proves himself wrong via his own actions.

[@VRuler]

Happy to say after 35 years I went fully carnivore. Never felt better.

[@ladynymue]

Im glad you found something youre happy with. Not sure why you are here though unless you are trying to troll ppl?

[@DJParamore]

What is so wrong with not wanting to pay for animals to be killed?

[@minimal-vegan]

Good conversation 🌱🖖🏼

[@Birandoo]

To Misha: I hope I can say welcome to veganism, welcome to the right side of history, man. I believe you will make the right choice. As with most other vegans you will someday wish you went vegan earlier. Peace.

[@zarelli7831]

My pescatarian brother 🙏❤️

[@Loveanimalsdonteatthem]

Thank you Joey ❤

[@helloworldliberationforall]

Why did he stop being vegetarian?

[@Zar2244]

He stopped being vegan, but is going back to being vegan.

[@TheHighGiant]

I think the Coming Up intro was a bit too long. Maybe 15 or 20 sec. Peace out bro. VEGAN POWER!!!!

[@jonasbulota7789]

"...If we trait equalize these animals to humans, then..." "symmetry breker between cutting up a cow and a fish" Brings back memories of AskYourself debates.

[@jdmmg4904]

❤

[@Papi_Mango]

Why does this young man almost sounds like cosmic skeptic?

[@WellnessDiscoveryReport]

Great discussion. I hope he will go fully Vegan. Horrific animal abuse is rife in the egg and milk industry. The fish example puzzles me. We see them fighting for their life and obviously distressed when people fish, yet they proudly smile and teach it to their kids as though it is a wonderful bonding and loving thing to do with them. It's not. They suffer greatly.

[@shawndarling1980]

I have spent my whole life in the fishing industry in one way or the other. Both commercial and sport. I own a fishing dock for people who like to fish that don't have a boat. My dock is also wheelchair accessible. I have a lot of people with special needs and their caretakers come out what are those people suppose to do? I have people come from all walks of life come out there fishing.

[@michieltummers1303]

Is this vs 'carnist sceptic' or his brother😮

[@bluemeister22]

Lets have a fight Joey and if you win I will go vegan!

[@Paulshaggy]

what's the name of that mic?

[@Osc1llateW1ldly]

mic the vegan