Veganism is a Scam - Viral Ex-Vegan TikTok Response

[@MictheVegan]

Editing this video made me realize that I was just reacting and never took a moment to say that she is obviously really talented and creative. I think it's good to see the full person even if you disagree with what they say. Also, one huge point I didn't make is around her seeing eating local as the ultimate solution. However, a cargo boat shipped banana is likely to have a way lower footprint than local beef from down the steet. The equation isn't as simple as distance. I hope she learns about these things and once again returns to the nutritional yeast chrysalis 🤣

[@Apodeipnon]

Also being a slightly attractive TikTok influencer is not a job and does not make you special

[@someguy2135]

Right! Cargo boats today are insanely efficient. They have a very low carbon footprint relative to the load they carry.

[@matthewburnett9850]

Mic, are you going to do a video on the new anti-vegan book 'The Great Plant Based Con' by Jayne Buxton?

[@letransformateur6477]

I hear the local argument by tons of people, even super educated ones. The thing is they didnt check the numbers and are guessing the emissions for transport are massive. Little do they know its a small percentage of emissions.

[@ThatVeganTeacherYouTube]

Thanks for being an ethical vegan and the voice of scientific reason. The world is a better place with brave and compassionate people like you who are willing to publicly challenge social norms and dare to care beyond their own selfish desires. The animals are dying by the billions as we speak so now, more than ever, in the face of so many internet lies, we must keep up the pace. Stay loud.

[@thebowandbullet]

The level of science of "ex-vegans" is on par with "The day I went vegan, it rained. Veganism causes bad weather!!1!"

[@caseyburger9864]

I went vegan in 2018. Veganism caused covid confirmed

[@thebowandbullet]

@@caseyburger9864 😂

[@thebowandbullet]

@Roger Doletree Speaking of science fiction, got any fiction books coming out based on this? I deliberately omitted "science" because there's not to be found in what you did and what you have to say about it, clearly. You wouldn't know science if it fell on your head like a cartoon anvil.

[@thebowandbullet]

@Roger Doletree I have yet to meet an ex-vegan, and you're no exception. Veganism isn't about nutrition, but you'd know that if you'd ever learned what veganism is (cliff notes: it's not about you, bro, it's about the animals). This said, the healthiest diet is whole-food plant-based, which is compatible with veganism. You're just another ignorant person who went on a plant-based (or semi/pretend) diet and called it veganism as virtue signaling without understanding what it actually is, and said the plant-based diet you were on failed you, but what really failed you is your utter ignorance of nutrition and science, and not seeking medical help when you needed it, instead making sweeping and laughably incorrect statements about things you can't even begin to understand. Veganism didn't fail you. You failed you. There are an infinite number of vegan-compatible diets and you chose one that was unhealthy. The responsibility lies on you. And now you choose to abuse animals again due to your personal failings and abject selfishness and stupidity. Most vegans have no difficulty being healthy, but I guess we can't account for people who deny science and blame the results of their ignorance on others. So how about you go educate yourself and stop spreading misinformation about things that are both exceedingly simple and yet that you fail to grasp.

[@tanyasydney2235]

Haha, right on!

[@tedjenkins1736]

Why did she go anti-vegan instead of simply non -vegan? One word: views. Going anti-anything is gonna get you more views than just quitting something. It's more provocative. In fact, I think I've just decided I am going anti-non -clown. Yep, after all these years of not being a clown, it is time to embrace the lifestyle of my ancestors (who were all clowns) and, starting today, I stop not being a clown. I am firmly anti-non -clown everybody! I'm now off to go make my viral TikTok...

[@michaelmueller260]

I find this terrifying...

[@ThatVeganTeacherYouTube]

Thanks for being an ethical vegan and the voice of scientific reason. The world is a better place with brave and compassionate people like you who are willing to publicly challenge social norms and dare to care beyond their own selfish desires. The animals are dying by the billions as we speak so now, more than ever, in the face of so many internet lies, we must keep up the pace. Stay loud.

[@reishelv2841]

I think a lot of ex vegans become anti-vegans for their guilty feelings. They need to clean their consciense (some way).

[@michaelmueller260]

@@reishelv2841 I'd say that is true in some cases, but I'm of the opinion that people like her went "vegan" because she thought it was trendy, made her feel important, and was something that might help her gain likes/followers. I don't think she or many others (not all of course) ever cared more than superficially (if at all) about the animals or the environment. It was something to feed her narcissism. Now she sees being a bitter ex-vegan as being trendy and gaining views...it comes as zero surprise that she just jumps to the next thing to feed her completely undeserved sense of self-importance. She was never a vegan, but she has always been a shallow narcissist.

[@elpretender1357]

It depends. You need to be anti-something that's sociably acceptable to hate. that's the difference between loads of views and a banned account

[@TrojansFirst]

She’s not talking about the effects of veganism, she’s talking about the effects of malnutrition. I’ve been vegan for almost 20 years, it’s definitely possible to not be malnourished over the long term.

[@ldi1451]

I wouldn’t use the word possible. It’s 100% guaranteed, a whole food plant based diet if planned well is suitable for all ages and walks of life

[@2AMVegan]

Healthy vegan of 17 years vegan! ✌

[@TrojansFirst]

@@ldi1451 there’s many levels; well planned whole food is the highest level, that’s guaranteed I agree.

[@yv0nn32009]

I was vegetarian for 30 years, and have been vegan for the last 10. Since I’m in excellent health, no medications at nearly 80, I’m pretty sure being vegan is ok. Many thanks to Mic for doing these videos!

[@davidsgardell]

@@yv0nn32009 Hey, that is awesome!! 💚 My mom has lived a rough life and as a consequence, her health is not the best. But she went vegan when you did, 10 years ago, and turned 80 last week! Sadly, several of her close friends are dead, around 70 or so. To be honest, I thought she would be the first to go, due to the damage done earlier in her life, but she's still kicking it! ✌

[@agees924]

All of her issues that “came from being vegan” are literally the normal course of life for omnivores. Anxiety, depression, period issues, fatigue. Almost everyone I knew in college had those issues and none of them were vegan. There’s more to health than only diet. Exercise, living conditions, stress, monitoring your vitamins. These are all things people need to account for once they get past their late teens and early 20’s when they can get away with it for a while.

[@alexeisanjurjo7064]

Wao are you guys brainedwashed

[@Seventh27Seal]

It seems like ppl like to blame their diet that they are trying to ditch, to make it easier/less guilty to drop.

[@anastasiainglezou8883]

I wonder if she was paid to speak out about veganism 🤔. I agree that everything she’s said I had when I was eating meat and dairy, when I went vegan ALL of those issues went away!

[@ponnamy]

@@Seventh27Seal Well said!

[@Veganbytheway]

For sure. I had anxiety, depression and fatigue before going vegan, and I still have those. In my case it's called Shit Life Syndrome. Now I'm just not deliberately hurting animals to live.

[@swites]

Man I've been vegan 28yrs and haven't eaten meat for 30 with zero issues. Worked a physical job all my adult life and am an elite level masters cyclist. My daughter is 23 and my son is 19 and have been vegan all their lives with no issues! Are healthy and we all have bmi's in the 21/22 range. Guess I should listen to some 20yr old who obviously didn't eat enough calories, had some anxiety /mental health issues and then blamed it all on her veganism.

[@deepakhiranandani6488]

👍🏼✔😊

[@TenTempeh]

Your children are lucky to have you as their father :)

[@v.a.n.e.]

one man ate a whole cessna, as it remained documented in the Guinness Book of Records. you may just be genetically destined to feel better with a plant based diet. however, this does not necessarily mean that a plant based diet is a dietary approach for everyone, most people with ordinary genetic heritage do not have the privilege of feeling like you on an exclusive plant based diet.

[@TrojansFirst]

@@v.a.n.e. Me and my wife have been vegan for over 19 years and we are in excellent health. Everyone I know who does it right (well planned mostly Whole Foods diet) thrives. The only people I see who fail are the junk food vegans.

[@ariasworld9991]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@pri.sci.lla.]

It seems like she had an ED and is blaming it on veganism. It’s sad that people will do anything including hurting animals in this way just for some likes. Edit: she clearly never watched those animal docs because if she had she wouldn’t be drinking goats milk, eating cheese or muscle and organs of a cow. So sad and gross

[@snpaa]

She has erectile dysfunction?

[@santiagohardy2728]

in one of the comments in her tiktok post, she stated the "happy and loved animals she eats" don't feel pain when they are killed.

[@MasonOfLife]

@@snpaa eating disorder lol

[@TenTempeh]

She made me cringe so hard... :(

[@jasonsimpson1397]

That's how do many of these bits of false information permeate the world. Young girls with eating disorders are very likely to try veganism and when they inevitably get sick, they blame the diet. If people looked into it, they'd see all these symptoms happen to those with certain eating disorders, regardless of their diet.

[@ApexRevolution]

Six years plant based diet here. Also had dreams where I ate meat, but I never craved it while I was awake. Here's the thing, I also had dreams where I did lots of drugs and they felt amazing (former drug user), even though i didnt want to do drugs in my waking life. It has something to do with things that are taboo, your brain may still subconsciously crave a certain thrill. It doesn't mean the activity in your dreams is good or necessary. Not exactly an indicator of anything lol.

[@eedaj]

Lol yep, I wonder if she pursues the people she has sex dreams about

[@FruityHachi]

imagine doing something bad because you had a dream, so if someone had a dream about killing someone, that means the person has to go kill someone when they wake up and it’s totally justified because they had this dream

[@jelatinosa]

Imagine thinking that because you dreamed of doing drugs again, you would have come to the conclusion that it must mean that your body needed drugs to be healthy and satiated 😖 That's literally what she concluded about meat. My husband used to dream that he was eating a giant burger or steak the size of a mattress, while it was being grilled and so he was being cooked along with it, lol! He's been vegan for 10 years, but when he was younger he was addicted to fast food burgers and beef. He hadn't tried a proper vegetable till we started dating and almost fainted when we dared him to try broccoli for the first time 😂 Afterwards he said it wasn't so bad and was more open to trying all kinds of veggies. Anyway, he's still addicted to burgers, has one almost everyday, but of the vegan variety, now that they've become increasingly available. Old habits die hard 🤷🏽‍♀️ At least he doesn't think they are healthy or necessary, just cause he craves them.

[@carl13579]

Dreams like this more likely reflect your subconscious worrying that you will betray your values or that you will do so by accident.

[@yourlocallesbian6448]

😂😂😂

[@kenpachi2607]

This is why our professors required us to cite our sources.

[@lastlime3792]

His documentary got mocked because it was not reality, check the aftermath of the documentary... kinda like comparing all the aspects of cows to only the single past of the cars exhaust and forget about manufacture and shipping and everything else that goes into it totally legit🤑

[@kenpachi2607]

@@lastlime3792 what are you talking about? I didn't say anything an a documentary.

[@ahabrawgaming1289]

@@kenpachi2607 Didn't your professors tell you that you can look for them on google and find them? instead of crying "show me sources!" lol

[@kenpachi2607]

@@ahabrawgaming1289 Sure lol but if I look them up, how do I know those are the sources that were used? You can just agree with me when I ask and use them even though you never had them to begin with.

[@kenpachi2607]

@Ryan Robinett huh?

[@ThatVeganTeacherYouTube]

Thanks for being an ethical vegan and the voice of scientific reason. The world is a better place with brave and compassionate people like you who are willing to publicly challenge social norms and dare to care beyond their own selfish desires. The animals are dying by the billions as we speak so now, more than ever, in the face of so many internet lies, we must keep up the pace. Stay loud.

[@CPSPD]

You’ve personally set back the vegan movement a couple of years by being an incredibly uncharismatic and unlikeable communicator. Thanks for your hard work.

[@hannahmitchell87]

I don't disagree with anything in your post but I have to agree with CPSPD. We need a range of outreach approaches as it's not a one size fits all however, do you think your style is effective?

[@v.a.n.e.]

how do you feel about being one of the biggest contributors to the unfavorable perception of veganism on TikTok? you are, without a doubt, one of the greatest trolls the world has ever seen, and someone to look up to. when I grow up, I just want to be like you!

[@OnesFan1]

I love you and hate you at the same time. But is a healthy humane hate xD, thank you for sacrificing yourself for the animals and for the cringy songs, that surprisingly I am now unconsciously singing 😂

[@Berserk1Manga]

More animals are killed tilling up the lands you need for your crops. Also most of your food you eat, needs imported. Which means it's absolutely horrendous for the environment.

[@brugmansianoncorpus7009]

i had meat dreams when i gave up, but they were nightmares, i would be eating something then realize it was meat, then i would try and spit it out and there was always still more in my mouth.. they only lasted a few months, i believe it was my subconscious adjusting to my sudden perception shift

[@kellymah8646]

I had those nightmares too while transitioning to vegan!

[@kellymah8646]

and yes I agree, our minds are coming to terms with the truth!

[@brugmansianoncorpus7009]

@@kellymah8646 yes, well for me. it was quite a sudden perception shift. as soon as someone pointed out to me that humans don't need meat (which i somehow thought they did), then suddenly it was no longer a food for me, no longer something you would want anywhere near the kitchen, and not something i would want to pretend to eat by eating fake meat. i only ever ate it before because i thought i needed it.. treated it like a fix.. so suddenly it was just dead bodies in the freezer... so finding out in my dreams that something i was just eating turned out to be meat.. was very much a nightmare.

[@brugmansianoncorpus7009]

@@kellymah8646 another example of adjusting would be... one day i opened the newspaper, and there was a grocery advertisement inside it. and there was photos of meat, for a split second, the first thing i saw it as, was a whole lot of gore and body parts in the newspaper. and was like wtf, they are showing stuff like this in the news now?

[@kellymah8646]

@@brugmansianoncorpus7009 yup I 100% agree. It makes perfect sense that when people truly understand it they cannot go back

[@laurieparis2203]

Seems as if her gymnastics were not confined to her body, in order to make her points. Ah,Mike... this was just too easy! Thx for the giggles. 🌸

[@frankystarrz]

I stopped being vegan because corporations got into it. I'm vegetarian/vegan 40 years. I've also been on heroin for pretty much the same and have no major illness. Oh the vegan japes I could tell!! In jail, they asked for a Vegan Society Card??!! Coz..I might die! I said "hey, it'll be the drugs, not the donuts!!" ...

[@ariadnaignatenko]

Hah, well I'm a contortionist and an armbalancer. Vegan for 10 years. Do have a regular cycle and personally know other armbalancers performers who are vegans and whose practice benefited immensly after cutting off animal products. So yeah. I guess she made a few publically intriguing videos about it since it even caught your attention but they aren't really based on science much. I do think the first few years when you're transitioning can be a bit challenging cause of the microbiome and afterall you're learning to substitute all your diet with some vegan options but at the end its much more sustainable for the planet, less selfish and healthier way of living imao. Anyways evil kale and overall this video made me laugh. Thanks for sharing.

[@ewAphex]

Thanks for mentioning microbiome. It doesn’t get enough attention when considering a vegan diet.

[@belliebone]

Love this! Thanks for sharing. She looks very young and still finding her way. Hopefully she sees sense and go to where there is actual professional scientific proof.

[@CourageToB]

what would be a logical explanation how veganism improves armbalancing or contortion performance "immensely"? ideally no publicly intriguing answer please, i ld prefer a cience based one.

[@ariadnaignatenko]

@@CourageToB Hi Patrick, Thank you for your question. I'm not a scientists but I've been interested in this subject for a long time now. First of all it is mainly by mechanical loading of the tissues that the physical changes accur. Dietary choices or supplements will either augment or impede the magnitude of physical changes caused by mechanical loading but won't do so in the absence of it so no matter how good your diet is if there is no stretching in your routine you will be tight. Vegan diet can help promote inflammation reduction which facilitates faster recovery, can help to avoid certain metabolic diseases like type 2 diabities and diabities can adversely affect extracellular matrix mechanics in biochemistry. High blood sugar causes collagen glycolysis in which sugar molecules attach to proteins and fats causing crosslinking and therefore elevating levels of extracellular matrix stiffness. On the whole this makes connective tissue stiffer and harder to stretch and so flexibility can begin to deminish. Vegan diet offers a more regular and increased consumption of a vitamin C which is essential for synthesis of collagen(although there is currently no evidence that a higher amount of vitamin C(45>) can contribute to a better flexibility, you just need to get a daily amount). My diet mostly consists of fruits, veggies, greens, nuts and seeds. So around 80-90% of what I eat is mostly raw, I know its not your question but I do not consider myself raw vegan because I'm not 100% and your choices on a vegan diet matter as well after all refined sugar is vegan as well. The point is there is a process called autolysis( i can send you the link to the study) which aids in the splitting of biological food structures. And according to that study("Induced autolysis as an important mechanism of the initial stages of ordinary digestion") the splitting of native structures of food object was found to be more effective and complete than the splitting of the same structures subjected to heat denaturation. And if I understand it correctly eating uncooked foods helps better absorbtion and assimilation allowing less energy being used for digestion.? The amount of reseach out there is not sufficient to prove that vegan diet can drastically improve your flexibility(if I could participate in it I would with pleasure)but fortunately there is reseach(Mike talks a lot about it) proving that vegan diet can be sustainable and can be used for prevention and reversing of many diseases so I wouldn't go around publicly blaming the diet. In the comment above I was talking mainly from my own experience because I am in the movement and circus world myself so the accusations and the way she blames everything on the diet is just not idk nice.. I don't post publicly on my social media that I am a raw vegan saying that the reason I'm flexible is because of my diet(there is not enough evidence) and I do not try to use my physical performance results to ask ppl to change their dietary choices. I do think that my diet aids to my energy levels based just on how I feel after eating heavy cooked food but there is just not enough evidence to support that a vegan or a raw vegan diet can aid in your arm balance or contortion performance. I personally know 4 people (one of them was born vegan) who are successufully balancing on one hand maintaining vegan diet. So saying that its a scum and impossible is symply not true. I hope I answered your question or at least partially.

[@CourageToB]

@@ariadnaignatenko hm. i dont see how being able to one-hand-balance would disprove veganism as a scam. making the unifactorial connection rather seems like one nor do i see how cuting out meat from a diet would improve one hand balancing performance. regarding fleixibility improvements i would consider two aspects. flexibility can be neurally regulated and you can have true tissue length improvement via action/myosin "add-on", which you ld build easier from animal protein sources than vegan sources. tried finding the article you mentioned but only got access to the abstract.

[@JoshuaBrownalwayswins]

If I can survive and thrive on a vegan diet as a TRUCKER, I think she’ll be aight. Lol

[@audiogarden21]

Hey, good for you brother. Keep fightin' that good fight on that long and lonesome road.

[@CJA32able]

Respect !!!

[@Veganbytheway]

My dad's a trucker and all he eats is fast food. His body is basically falling apart at this point but he refuses to even consider changing. Good on you for being better than that.

[@JoshuaBrownalwayswins]

Thank y'all!😀

[@Googlemonkey8]

This comment makes me so happy.

[@Jalfred92]

Gosh people make it seem so dramatic, I felt ok, then realised animal agriculture is animal abuse so I stopped buying their stuff, I carried on feeling ok. It's just not that big a deal.

[@lastlime3792]

Veganism kills more animals and then doesn’t eat them🥱. Agriculture is animal abuse. Veganism is also human abuse and starvation which the side of chemicals.

[@CourageToB]

#veganisascam

[@Jalfred92]

@@CourageToB ok mate, if you have any specific concerns with veganism I'm happy to chat them out with you.

[@CourageToB]

@@Jalfred92 sure. its ideology based propaganda, fueling sad inustries by making pseudo health claims.

[@Jalfred92]

@@CourageToB "sure. its ideology based propaganda, fueling sad inustries by making pseudo health claims." Thanks friend, this seems a little vague no? What ideology? What propaganda? What industries? What health claims? Perhaps you could make an effort to focus your thoughts for me my dude?

[@sadiedavenport]

Ugh. So many problems could be avoided if people would simply stop and ask, "Is this person a credible source of information on this subject?"

[@d.rabbitwhite]

I think many problems would be avoided if people did more stuff and spent less time on social media (says the person watching you tube and commenting-[yet, still is truth])

[@andrewbrock4636]

she made a TikTok video based on her single experience so obviously she is credible 🤣

[@lastlime3792]

Creditable.... Veganism is pushed by far left and corporations....compared to eating meat which is opposite to popular vote.

[@sadiedavenport]

@@lastlime3792 corporations aren't left, they're just team money. It's estimated that vegans comprise something between .5% and 2% of the US population, and vegetarians are about 5%. Everyone else, representing a massive majority, eats meat. But lots of people are choosing plant-based options, which is why we're seeing more of them available in restaurants and grocery stores. Corporations are just trying to provide people with what they want to buy.

[@lastlime3792]

Johanna Bisceglia it’s not all about money it’s pushing agendas...who In their right mind would sell and push a racist organization that burned down cities all throughout the pandemic, it’s not entirely about money but it does make some people money. Eating meat with a meal and eating just vegetables or just meat is massively different and veganism is pushed harder than any other diet. People literally don’t want corporate veganism but it’s being sold and marketed even by the government. Selling sex to kids is “leftist” and is done by Disney which is a corporation that is loosing money when they do that, but it does to an extend pushes their leftist plan.

[@andrewdl6824]

I think there's a vanity aspect for some of these little women who don't like the look of a belly full of fiber, which is needed to eat healthfully on a vegan diet.

[@dignes3446]

Some of the "warnings" about Veganism reminds me of the "warnings" about Cannabis in the past; "Marijuana...it will drive you insane... don't do it kids!" So unscientific and boring arguments.

[@adamlee3333]

I mean it is good advice not too heavily smoke weed while your brain is still developing, and also not to smoke weed if you have a schizophrenic family history

[@d.rabbitwhite]

@@adamlee3333 I was going to comment similarly.

[@CourageToB]

#delusion

[@vidasagharlou4895]

Became vegan a week ago thanks to mike one of my influences.godbless you man keep going I am 64years old and so sick but I hope by becoming vegan and be kind to Mother Nature I will heal that is the whole point🙏🏿❤️

[@byronmurphy1977]

Hey Mic, yeah going against the grain is a hassle, but worth it.

[@nirvana328]

well everyone once thought slavery was cool, but yea who wants to go against the norm...what a hassle

[@ThatVeganTeacherYouTube]

Thanks for being an ethical vegan and the voice of scientific reason. The world is a better place with brave and compassionate people like you who are willing to publicly challenge social norms and dare to care beyond their own selfish desires. The animals are dying by the billions as we speak so now, more than ever, in the face of so many internet lies, we must keep up the pace. Stay loud.

[@annerigby4400]

what is going against the grain, actually? is it not by definition doing what one perceives to be in their best interest (including not harming others in the process, of course)? We homeschooled our kids in a country where it was unheard of, even got warnings from the local school organisation that we were ruining our kids' chance of any kind of future. When we went to the shops, people asked why our kids were not in school and were appalled to find out it was our choice. We were vegetarian back then and when people found out, they gave us a hard time again about depriving our children of vital nutrients and called us crazy. I was a stay-at-home mother in a society where that choice is supposed to be for women not brainy enough or too lazy to get a job. Obviously, not everyone thinks in any of those ways in any given society, but we encountered enough of them. All it did for me was reinforce our choices. If school produced this mentality, hooray for HS. I did my research on nutrition and enjoyed finding meals that had all we needed. As a stay-at-home mother, homeschooling our kids, I was able to spend a great deal of time learning along with them, finding out what suited their learning styles best, etc. We had a blast. So, going against the grain, as far as I'm concerned, liberates one from the constraints of conformity. Embrace your choices and forget that grain.

[@annerigby4400]

@@byronmurphy1977 Is it though? it really depends on how much importance you put on what other people think as opposed to what really matters to you. If what other people think matters a great deal then you are in a sort of conformity trap. You can live differently in society and be part of society without paying attention to "what everyone else is doing". School does contribute to conditioning us to believe that if you "do differently" then you are no longer acceptable.

[@byronmurphy1977]

@@annerigby4400 Societal pressure can be ignored but it is still there in the background, you are either purposefully pretending not to understand or you don't, either way it's boring now 👋

[@Katalin_Fodor]

There's no such thing as an ex vegan they were never vegan to begin with! More appropriate term for these individuals would be plant-based or former plant-based. Veganism is not just about diet.

[@v.a.n.e.]

there are people who even declare themselves to be Martians. I think you are a supporter of the denial of rights that have historically proved to be entirely wrong.

[@abe8435]

Right. She never even talks about veganism, and almost none of her claims are supported by empirical evidence. 6 years happily vegan. Doctors all agree it’s going great for me.

[@greenthumb1523]

You should try insects. They are very good

[@scienceislove2014]

@@greenthumb1523 that's a very stupid reply..

[@abe8435]

@@greenthumb1523 What would the food I’d eat eat if there weren’t plants around?

[@benjones5799]

100% she was at a calorie deficit. I have friends who did the same.

[@alex.datepsych]

Yep my first thought immediately when she described it

[@sykesethan]

Yeah most of these failed vegans just look anorexic.

[@Julottt]

First cause of fail by far.

[@Shy__wolf]

Over 6 years vegan. These people were never really vegan.

[@Shy__wolf]

@@thelvadam5269 exactly!

[@angmori172]

@@thelvadam5269 this

[@v.a.n.e.]

there's no such thing as an ex-carnist.

[@v.a.n.e.]

I think you expressed yourself badly. you can't say "Nobody turns away from an ethical or unethical stance" without me laughing evilly. @@OM617a

[@v.a.n.e.]

@@OM617a oookay, you obviously didn't get what I was saying; there is no third option; either one has an ethical stance or one does not. It's a true dichotomy. besides, you seem to be implying that 99% of the world's population likes cruelty, am I right?

[@MakeupJunkie0000]

Quite frankly I am GLAD my diet is not 'ancestrally consistent!' I have no desire to be out hunting animals for meet with my own hands. If I have the choice, privilege, and resources to do better, why wouldn't I? Great video :)

[@exactly3053]

Also, our paleolithic ancestor ate 100 g of fiber a day, which shows they were on an almost exclusively plant based diet.

[@dkoakley56]

I am appalled.....the one bad day (for cows) totally did it for me. Vegetarian for over 30 years and vegan for 8, I feel fantastic and at 66 yo am in better shape than at 25 eating animals. No science has shown a vegan diet is detrimental to your health.

[@bingsby9085]

I was a vegan turned ex vegan and I am now going back vegan BECAUSE of all the health problems I was getting straying from my vegan diet. Veganism did nothing but good things for my health!

[@v.a.n.e.]

fool me once, shame on veganism; fool me twice, shame on me

[@ldi1451]

Why did you stop being plant based then?

[@v.a.n.e.]

besides, you’ve never even been a vegan

[@airixxxx]

You were doing a plant based diet, veganism is not a diet and it's not related to human health. Good for you for trying again with a plant based diet, if you can try to become vegan, with your choice of diet you are almost there.

[@ldi1451]

@Aaron Loos nah let’s not be like that. We know how it is, let’s just make the distinction between plant based and vegan

[@DionysisGalanis]

11:40 This is like saying: "Is consent ancestrally consistent?" Imagine if someone yelled that at her when she said that...

[@jelatinosa]

@@underground5220 No, let me brake it down for you, cause you clearly don't understand how evolution works. Our ancestors didn't need to be "optimally healthy". In fact, we very well know they weren't, so why anyone would hold themselves to those sickly standards is beyond me. The only "biological requirement" for a species to continue, or "evolve", is for enough of them to reach reproductive age and reproduce. That is what our ancestors did. Part of what they did, to make sure their particular genes survived(aka reproduced) and guide our evolutionary trajectory, was rape and kill, as well as eat enough calories to reach reproductive age and birth offspring. It's not just "something we did in the past". People still exhibit those same behaviors and tendancies because it was literally passed on in their genes, as was craving the most nutritionally dense food so that we could enter puberty and reproduce before we succumbed to our clear lack of "optimal health".

[@hillelmichael4988]

Imagine trying to debunk a diet considered by the leading scientists and nutritionists of the world as the healthiest, and one of the points you bring up to support your argument is that when you were on the diet "all of my blood tests were great" 😂😂😂

[@aleac617]

Why are so many vegans blood tests dismal and awful though? Oh wait that's right I already have the answer they just weren't doing it right they weren't doing the diet right LMFAO. And another thing I see a lot of vegan says that there are no studies that show it's detrimental but there are in fact dozens if not hundreds or thousands of studies show that the vegan diet is not always adequate for everyone but people just ignore those. LOL I haven't read or refused to read the studies contradicting my beliefs so they don't exist.

[@frannsh5100]

It isn’t though.. and of it is who is actually finding that research? Do we know.. most probs the same people trying to kill the farming industry and buy up all the land… it’s not a ‘one size fits all’ healthy option. It’s a product scam at the very least.. priducts touted as ‘healthy’ with pics of plants on them, full of palm sugar, trans fats and fillers.. one day we might not have canine teeth and until that point.. I’d be interested in the source of your research.. find out who funds it and you may get somewhere…

[@CourageToB]

🤣leading scientists and nutritionists. vegan #delusion

[@silvioschmidt]

Who are these scientists? I really want to dig into the stuff they talk/write about. Can you please name some of them?

[@CourageToB]

@@silvioschmidt make no mistake in hoping they will answer this coherently, if at all.

[@santiagohardy2728]

she claims to have fallen for "vegan propaganda", yet she has fallen for anti-vegan propaganda. The irony, is completely lost on her. Pathetic.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

no doubt !

[@kevinwee1930]

maybe her body really gave her warn signals?

[@CollagenExpert]

She’s a grifter. She knows what gets the views 🤷‍♂️

[@Kristers_K]

She seems very young, very gullible and clueless, and my first impression makes me want to draw the conclusion that she wasn't eating enough and was eating poorly in general. Been vegan for nearly a decade, longer than her and the only time i struggled was in the begginning as i wasn't eating enough calories and didn't consume enough nutritionally adequate foods, as in, whole foods. Not only i have felt extremely well this whole time, but my health has become beter than it was in my childhood/teens, no more lethargy, amazing digestion, more energy, strength, etc. P.S. Her ''hunter'' act is borderline cringe. The picture of a tiny little girl with a bow seems really off.

[@spiral-m]

She very likely got paid to do it, or is doing that typical clickbait transformation drama thing to get more attention and bump up viewers and subscribers. The whole dramatic music and all that exaggerated efforts to to paint a bad picture. Way over the top and strategic.

[@Kristers_K]

@@spiral-m Possibly yes. Doesn't make her acting any less cringe-worthy. Like, is a small girl like her going to hunt a deer multiple times her size with a bow and arrow? It's not even amusing, it's just cringe.

[@highlander200268]

or actually got knowledge before it destroyed her body

[@highlander200268]

@@vegancolleen how so, what did say that was wrong?

[@lastlime3792]

Seems gullible to push veganism while it kills animals while not eating them, wouldn’t work if it didn’t have mass corporations shipping food across the globe...

[@FranchiseCityOnline]

McDonalds, Beef Jerky & Pork rinds, not a scam.

[@fruitkid4759]

total legit companies- big spinach is the problem.

[@Vegan_4The_Animals]

​@@fruitkid4759 ye

[@kubasniak]

ground beef, steaks, eggs, bacon ummmm delicious and fulfilling for whole day. no bloat, faster recovery from workouts, better body temperature, no energy crash EVER, no hunger, no diabetes, no blood pressure, awesome skin etc etc I can continue. just plants didn't cut it for me TWICE i tried my best before i dropped the ideology and decided to follow my blood work, my overall feeling each day and looking healthier and feeling stronger. veganism made me weak, bloated and longer recoveries from workouts and playing squash. if you work out and recover well then i bet your workouts are trash and you're not pushing yourself like at all but larping in the gym.

[@gregmoldovan5921]

@@kubasniak Vegans have to be really smart and carefully plan meals. They must understand fruit vitamins and many plant vitamins are fat soluble, and they must consume fat with their meals while avoiding seed oils. They have several cold-pressed plant-based oils as well as flax seed and coastal/sea plants for omega-3 fatty acids. Veganism done wrong by just avoiding meats can be debilitating. With all that said, I eat 95% animal products, 0 sugar (10 or less daily if I do consume some), 10 or less carbs daily, and I TOO FEEL GREAT! Workout gains and less pain afterwards (I plateaued for like 5 years!), no farts unless I need to poop (and they still don't stink), I never bloat like ever (one time some coffee bloated me for the first time in months, it was weird), and even sunburn heals the next day, even if I got pretty pink (I'm Irish skinned). I think there is over-exaggerated truth in the "carnivore diet" though as fruit shouldn't actually be eaten with many types of food, nor milk with salty or sour stuff (even orange juice will curdle it while it's in your stomach), A1 protein in milk and pasteurization scam, you can avoid plant phyto-toxins by avoiding nightshade and cruciferous veggies and cooking all the rest with no skin, etc. These mistakes will cause carnivores to go "see? see?!" without realizing we also forgot the order that we should eat! Not just our diet.

[@CourageToB]

@@kubasniak on point

[@wayneu1233]

So many people who speak of our “ancestral diet” are actually referring to a caricature of “cave people” slaughtering wild animals with spears and chomping on great slabs of meat around a blazing campfire. Homo sapiens ancestry stretches back perhaps 300,000 years into the past so, caricatures aside, at what point in that history was our “ancestral diet” the one to which they refer? And what was that diet, specifically? There is not tremendous scientific consensus.

[@shadycatz85]

also, from what little we know of 'early ancestral diets', meat was only a scarce part of it, and that meat was often scavenged. the vast majority was plant matter, like our primate relatives. but none of this is relevant because it's all just appeal to nature fallacy. if we can do something that is morally better, why shouldn't we?

[@GaryHighFruit]

"a caricature of “cave people”" YES. You're the only other person I've seen bring this up. I call it a cartoon myth. The worst part is that TV gets people thinking that ALL humans lived that way for ALL of the past. It completely ignores our tropical past (which is where the big truth is)

[@we_are_all_the_same]

Yes, and their microbiome was 95% plant fiber. They were probably vulnerable to larger animals and being hunted. So much romanticizing Paleo as hunters, which is so contrived and untrue. That's what fuels this whole phenomenon. Our anatomy isn't even aligned with true carnivores. Our lack of claws, canines, running speed, taste receptors for raw meat protein, short smooth intestines to get meat out quick so it doesn't ferment, thermal capability to survive cold climates, etc does not make a good case for carnivorism. Even if our glands have gotten lazy converting vitamins and we lazily get them second hand from meat, our bodies and organ chemistry has not caught up or evolved as they think we have. We have technicolor vision and long limbs to grab FRUIT from trees. Fruit and leafy greens, nuts, and seeds taste good to us raw. We don't even have to cook them, they taste refreshing in their natural state. Greens and fruit are hydrating to us, are easily digested in our long GI tract, and that's what humans ate before agriculture, bad habits, bad traditions, and moving to cold climates where we don't belong.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Thanks for doing this Mikey

[@katiesdumbvideos5418]

“People like watching me do dumb stuff in my underwear. Therefore, I am an authority!”

[@JoeARedHawk275]

She was a cam girl. Everything she does online is to make money. Idk how much y’all are into NFT’s, but I immediately distrust anybody who has an NFT in their bio. I do have her username on there but ehh I’m kind of on the fence about giving it away since it’s giving out info she probably doesn’t want out but at the same time she’s spreading out rampant misinformation which makes me dislike her…

[@GaryHighFruit]

@@JoeARedHawk275 That reminds me, there's a popular cam-girl, (gymnast, rock-hard, above average muscle size). She's vegan. Hannah James. (I just did a search to get her name right, and I found she won the XBIZ 2018 Award for Cam Girl of the Year.

[@CourageToB]

"People like watching me babble fast about bad executed studies pandering to an obese 'doctor' whilst having no education in the field. Therefore, I am an authority.

[@avinashtyagi2]

@@CourageToB She literally says her videos are dumb, what is your excuse for your lack of qualification?

[@MasonOfLife]

Honestly even if it was a scam I could never go back to eating dead corpses of animals, how I ever thought meat was food is crazy, but that’s just me

[@v.a.n.e.]

It is obvious, from afar, that you are still a white belt vegan. we'll see how you feel in a couple of years

[@rulo0505]

I think I get what you are saying but I certainly don’t feel identified. I try to stay connected to my past so I get that it is socially accepted and normal for humans to consume meat or other animal products. There was a point in history were slavery, rape and killing was socially acceptable so I try not to be harsh with my past me or with others and that lets me make a conscious decision every time I eat and also be honest to others when they ask me if I am disgusted by meat, to be honest I am not, I remember it tasting good and I still think the smell is good but the life of an animal is more valuable for me than taste.

[@MasonOfLife]

@@rulo0505 I just imagine myself beside a cow, slitting it’s throat as blood spilled and it dropped to the ground, I carve out a chunk of its bloody corpse, flesh, nerves, veins, skin…To consume that? It’s not in my nature.

[@cindy652]

@Yeah Totally agree with you; even if someone can prove it's a scam, I will longer use my stomach as the final resting place, especially for tortured, exploited and murdered innocent creatures. But, I do get why there was a time in human history it was necessary to consume the flesh of non-human animals. Supposedly we have evolved. I know I have. Wish I had done it sooner, though.

[@no89lan3]

Of course meat is food. Take a look at nature, plenty of animals eat it. We are just another species that happens to eat it. Not to mention we’ve been doing that for long long long time.

[@jackiebenjamin642]

Any diet can result in feeling tired and the other symptoms that she cited, if you don’t eat a balanced diet. I’ve been Vegan for 14 years. I started as a plant based eater for health reasons, mainly high cholesterol, then became an ethical Vegan as I learned about the way animal agriculture treats animals. I’ve had symptoms such as fatigue and hair loss as a Vegan but I figured out what was deficient in my diet and fixed it, NOT reverting to contributing to animal cruelty. In general I’ve been healthier as a Vegan than an omnivore and I would never return to eating animals.

[@kristopherlawrence6476]

I started being a vegetarian at 9 years old, but I got bullied relentlessly for it, people at school and my family constantly talked down about it. Kids at school would take a bite of meat and chew mouth open in front of me. It got so overwhelming that I stopped being a vegetarian for about a year when I was 16. I ended up going back vegetarian at 17, and vegan at 18. Luckily, my adult friends are way more mature about it, than the kids I went to school with, but my family still complains or makes fun of it when they get the chance.

[@visualexplorer1]

I can't help but wonder, as I have from other popular influencers, who suddenly shifted their diet from vegan to meat centered, if her large number of views were noticed by the meat industry, and she has been rewarded by them for changing her views. I'm 61 years old, and have witnessed so much corruption in the media that's verified, nothing surprises me anymore. Thanks to Mike for a sane look at this.

[@Melissa.Garrett]

She’s just an attention seeker.

[@ariadnaignatenko]

+!!!

[@ariadnaignatenko]

My point exactly

[@greenthumb1523]

And so are you

[@scienceislove2014]

@@greenthumb1523 and so are you..

[@peachoxo4099]

A cult

[@KutluKanyilmaz]

I am in awe of your patience and restraint. I really appreciate you and your work, Mic.

[@CourageToB]

@@RiDankulous classy? i mean i know there is classy clowns, but he s none of them

[@allatamusic]

I'd wager she met a meat eating dude. And, of course, doesn't truly understand ethics very deeply. I am doing more than decently after 25 years vegan, a-thank you. : )

[@spiral-m]

or got some financing from industry or influencer rep of carnism

[@allatamusic]

@@spiral-m Absolutely. You can tell when people are much more interested in influencing that what is being influenced. ; )

[@uptown_rider8078]

@@allatamusic Or maybe she realized how garbage a vegan diet is, and she was getting malnourished, and went back to eating meat.

[@kevinwee1930]

you look 100% like a endstage vegan my guy

[@allatamusic]

@@uptown_rider8078 Unlikely she has the skill to discern this for herself, thus her situation.

[@andreasrylander]

No issues bench pressing 320 lbs here... vegan for a long time. :)

[@yakzivz1104]

Most of these people that complain about veganism: do not eat enough calories nor do they eat a variety of veggies and fruits.

[@yakzivz1104]

@@RiDankulous You are absolutely correct. It does take a creative mind to uphold a vegan/nutritarian lifestyle.

[@angelocarantino4803]

How long have you been vegan specifically?

[@rowdythurman5637]

Light weight, eat a steak

[@angelocarantino4803]

@@rowdythurman5637 That logic you just threw out the window might hit a pedestrian

[@Damudean]

This is not unusual, hundreds ex vegans are doing this, it is happening. There is something wrong with our diet if you get hungry more than 3 times a day.

[@ksdtsubfil6840]

This feels like one of those times people use the concept of "Death of the author" incorrectly but like for nutrition. She seems to be aware of the facts and benefits of veganism but is using an emotional and personal band aid to remedy an ethical problem. "I can still enjoy the author who is doing a bad thing because I can separate the text from its creator" mirrors "I can still engage in carnist behavior because I can separate the process from the product." It feels like she's obscuring and choosing to ignore the process of making animal products to shut down reasons to avoid them.

[@juliewake4585]

A bad day is not “someone bolt gunned my head far earlier than my normal lifespan”. Thanks Mike.

[@beckybecky1725]

I’m vegan and my nurse described my blood results as “amazing”

[@normhanson981]

Well done 👍

[@Sallywood]

@@normhanson981 Amazing in what way.?

[@justforfun4623]

I eat more meat than grass and i was told the samw thing wow

[@zarelli7831]

Same and I’m pescatarian 😂

[@Corilo91]

It's always a pleasure to listen to you! You taught me to go directly to the scientific data instead of believing stuff I read on the internet just because it supported my ideas! :)

[@kellymah8646]

The comment section is awesome! 8 years vegan, 2 perfect vegan pregnancies, births, and have literally never had a single health issue for 8 years while when I was eating a whole food meat grass fed meat diet I was the sickest i'd ever been. No joke. I cannot believe these people's stories, it almost seems like they're getting paid by the meat industry, or hopping on the bandwagon in order to hit the masses, making them feel better for not being vegan- or she's nursing an eating disorder and legit felt like shit- but blamed it on the belief that animals shouldn't be unnecessarily murdered (veganism).

[@LML1248]

the part where she was talking about having dreams about eating meat: i get those too… but i call those nightmares lol

[@mathieurenaud2254]

The "your family becoming doctors" part was so relatable. Last week, I had a nasty smelling fart. My family immediately jumped on it to say that is why they could never go vegan, even tough I used to has nasty gas even more frenquently when I was not vegan. Its crazy how people will find anything to justify eating animal products

[@we_are_all_the_same]

'....Why kill several fish when you could kill a cow and get so much more meat out of that one death?...' - Carnivore Aurelius

[@2AMVegan]

I'm trying to understand how I somehow, magically, have been able to avoid all of the above for 17 years..... and I was vegetarian 7 years prior to that. Same for my friends - and family - my old mom has been vegan for 10 years now. Can some anti vegan please make sense of this, by like, moving the goalpost to 20 years? Cuz that's when the real deterioration to "the outliers" will happen, right? 🤷‍♂

[@2AMVegan]

​@@v.a.n.e. "cheating, one way or another". Really, that's your response? If by cheating, you mean b12, then sure, I'm guilty. But let me ask you this: outside of vegan KZbin, how many vegans do you actually now? Be honest. And of these, how many have you actually seen blood work from and what did they do in order to correct these problems? Personally, I know several vegans, all ages. All vegan over 10 years by now. Two of them are my ex partners. The best example I have is a local family with four adult children. All born vegan; the oldest in '76, then '78, '81 and '83 or '82. Don't bother replying, I have better things to do. Have a good one!

[@v.a.n.e.]

that's easy to answer. you were simply bypassing the consequences, one way or another. furthermore, just because a tiny fraction of people succeed in something does not indicate it is achievable for everyone. some people can eat a whole cessna; nonetheless, this does not mean the rest of us should start eating planes.

[@v.a.n.e.]

ok, cheers!!

[@CourageToB]

@@v.a.n.e. further "survival" vs "striving" is not succeeding

[@v.a.n.e.]

I agree, just wanted to be as charitable as possible, but that didn't help them much @@CourageToB

[@eedaj]

My experience being vegan is literally the opposite of everything she said. Especially my hair like wow the difference is crazy, I had major hair loss in my early 20’s on a vegetarian diet (I haven’t eaten meat since I was 12 so my vegan comparison is to standard dairy and egg heavy vego) and now 8 years into vegan my hair is soooo thick, healthy and long. And yeah I’m generally healthy, happy and it only gets better the longer I’m vegan. Also she’s really annoying lol

[@goku445]

[@kait2033]

My hair is completely different too! It is extremely healthy, fuller and I can grow it as long as I want. Pre vegan I could barely grow my hair past my shoulder blades and I was practically bald as a child because my diet was so bad. Not to mention my menstrual cycle is extremely regular and I have plenty of energy, increased libido etc. None of her claims have even been close to my experience.. I mostly just forget I am even vegan most the time because it's so easy and normal to me.

[@ThatVeganTeacherYouTube]

Thanks for being an ethical vegan and the voice of scientific reason. The world is a better place with brave and compassionate people like you who are willing to publicly challenge social norms and dare to care beyond their own selfish desires. The animals are dying by the billions as we speak so now, more than ever, in the face of so many internet lies, we must keep up the pace. Stay loud.

[@eedaj]

@@ThatVeganTeacherKZbin thank you for the work you do for the animals and the vegan cause

[@drygordspellweaver8761]

I think vegans just lose the capacity to perceive themselves objectively due to brain damage. Like most end up looking like freelee with thin straw like hair but think they look amazing. Lmao

[@veganradiation]

Animals deserve to be free! Exquisite vegan content, here to spread the crucial message of animal liberation.

[@ThatVeganTeacherYouTube]

Thanks for being an ethical vegan and the voice of scientific reason. The world is a better place with brave and compassionate people like you who are willing to publicly challenge social norms and dare to care beyond their own selfish desires. The animals are dying by the billions as we speak so now, more than ever, in the face of so many internet lies, we must keep up the pace. Stay loud.

[@M3K31T]

@@ThatVeganTeacherKZbin wtf is you lol...you look terrible lady ... that vegan diet isnt doing good for you

[@CourageToB]

@@ThatVeganTeacherKZbin "scientific". 😆

[@skmanny2525]

Got 30sec into your video and it's obvious her Tik-Tok video is clickbait. She just goes with the trend basically whatever can make her money. The more I watch the video the more it felt like she is trolling

[@tnijoo5109]

I have had much fewer cramps and far less severe PMS since going vegan.

[@CoryChurko1]

16 years vegan for me. At 52 years old I have more energy than my 20 year old self. When people eliminate carbs and calories they eventually fail. Just eat good, whole vegan foods and exercise for vegan success! Good video Mike!!

[@CourageToB]

so you moved from horrible to terrible. good job.

[@RuthT90]

Just want to add my voice to this wonderful comment section. Veggie since I was 5, vegan for 10 years, am 32, had 2 very healthy pregnancies followed by 2 beautiful, natural home births. I have 2 very healthy vegan kids, have been breastfeeding for 7 years, have my own small business, am a single mum, homeschool my kids... And I still have good energy levels through the day. It has always been about the animals for me, the wonderful health benefits of a whole food plant based lifestyle are a bonus!

[@GeTakeo]

Claims veganism is a scam, proceeds to recommend raw liver as a healthy food... At this point i'm expecting her to recommend deep fried butter as health food.

[@shadycatz85]

many people with EDs jump from diet to diet in that constant chase to endlessly lose weight. which is simply not possible. a healthy vegan diet may see you lose a little or a lot of weight depending on your starting point, but eventually you stop and sit at where your body wants to be. my guess is after four years of not only being vegan, but heavy calorie restriction (her symptoms sound like malnutrition), she decided it wasn't enough, and has moved into keto-style, where no matter your weight, you can trigger ketosis and lose even more weight, regardless of health.

[@GaryHighFruit]

Yesterday, I found a professional who says * Butter belongs in a healthy diet * vegetables will make you fat She's director of the Nutrition Coalition; New York University Wagner School of Public Policy; speaker & author What's going on is clearly (exactly how I called it 5 years ago) - a propaganda movement to counter-act society's shift to plant-based eating.

[@frannsh5100]

Raw liver is healthy which is more than be said for all That so called ‘plant based’ rubbish sold full of trans fat, fillers palm Sugar and other sugar.. raw meat is full of protein and iron especially offal. It’s cheap and deeply nutritious.. why would you connect butter and raw liver? Why would she suggest that.. there’s no correlation here at all.. she understands the nutritional quality of meat that’s all.. it’s not rocket science.. it’s well documented..

[@frannsh5100]

Too many potatoes would make you fat.. your point is?

[@frannsh5100]

All major food groups belong in a healthy diet including good fats. Vegan substitutes full of fillers and sugar are certainly not healthy . Same way any processed food is unhealthy. Good fats are important in a healthy diet..

[@MarlaSingersCancer]

I find her video incredibly sinister. It's such a creepy video, the way she talks, the way she moves. I thought she was CGI at first.

[@v.a.n.e.]

she was a vegan for four long years. this has certainly left some consequences

[@sidilicious11]

Sinister is a perfect description.

[@frogface66]

Like a hostage video 😂

[@rachelgoodkind6545]

@@v.a.n.e. Yes absolutely. She becomes more compassionate and kind. Lets recall she was eating' flesh and blood for more years than she was vegan. And what exactly was she eating as a vegan? She takes no responsibility for her specific choices of food, and surely not eating enough calories. She was quite obviously low on many nutrients such as magnesium (for brain health), and B12 (for depression), zinc, and others. I guess my 20+ years as an ethical whole food vegan has left some consequences as well. I take responsibility for my food choices and also love animals enough to save their lives.

[@v.a.n.e.]

@@rachelgoodkind6545 honestly, i find it hard to believe that anyone has survived 20+ years of veganism but as a gentleman i will not question your claims. you are probably happy to base your identity on animal welfare, however, not everyone shares that vision, and someone is asking for more from life. I've found that, for the most part, those who believe in an afterlife waste their lives hoping for a better, more comfortable afterlife. I won't even comment on how illusory the idea is

[@dj-fe4ck]

How do you go from bring vegan to eating raw beef liver and eating meat cooked in butter? As an omnivore I hated organ meats and never ate them and I always hated butter. Weird

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

simple, she wasn't actually vegan, just plant-based at best....a plant-based attention seeker claiming to be "vegan"

[@Bookaddic]

I firmly believe that most of the (high profile/hugely followed) vegans that turn anti vegan AND put it out on social media, have been paid/endorsed/subsidized by meat and dairy. It’s so frustrating. Vegan is for the animals. The ancestor thing drives me crazy (selective tradition keeping). Our ancestors didn’t have phones and cars either. Pretty sure she’s not walking around with leaves as clothes and bark as shoes and she’s certainly not using corn husks after going to the bathroom🤨 Thank you for breaking these down🙏🏼🌱

[@JoeARedHawk275]

I don’t know if she’s been endorsed by the meat industry. I don’t think it’s even necessary though. The sheer amount of views anti-vegan and carnivore/keto diet videos generate is mind boggling. However, one thing for sure is that she’s doing it for the views and money. I don’t how so many of this community hasn’t noticed, but she’s into cryptos and NFT’s and shit as an influencer. Does that like not raise a red flag for you all??? Like am I the only one who’s “woke” lmao?? Anyways, she was also a cam girl on a popular camming site (chat*****e). Last seen 10 months ago on there. She clearly doesn’t want a traditional job and is doing everything she can to make money online, from cam girl to nft scam artist

[@amyfu2047]

What?? Who wore leaves as clothes and bark as shoes? More likely animal skins for both.

[@3Diva]

She's going to look back on her life and regret that video very much and regret the damage she did to the planet and the animals. When someone has that large of a following and makes such uneducated and factually inaccurate statements, it has a larger ripple. She's responsible for that ripple and her words. If even one person watches her video and decides against going vegan because of it, the damage to the planet and the animals is huge. IF her words convinced someone to not become vegan who otherwise would have become vegan, she has to live with the fact that all those animals that person pays to have murdered for the rest of their life is on her hands. And the environmental impact that that person's continued path of eating animals and animal products has on the planet - also on her hands. Hopefully she wakes up and realizes the damage she may have done and deletes that video.

[@monstar5746]

Carnists are the dietary equivalent of flat earthers.

[@v.a.n.e.]

do you imply that ex-vegans are not actually carnists?

[@Vegan_4The_Animals]

they are!

[@missoats8731]

I think you meant carnivore?

[@monstar5746]

@@v.a.n.e. They are, I guess I meant to say non-vegans as well as other carnists

[@monstar5746]

@@missoats8731 No, humans aren't carnivores

[@marcmorgan8606]

Clearly she jumped on the vegan bandwagon for the sole purpose of promoting her shallow-as-a-puddle image. When she couldn't sustain it, she's offering any explanation other that the real one, which is that her entire self worth is linked to how much people like her. We see it all the time.

[@CourageToB]

right? thats actually the typicall vegan youtuber thing.

[@whatthevegan]

I was just watching a video titled, "...being vegan almost killed me". Turns out the person had two underlying medical conditions but somehow still thought that a vegan diet was the problem. Feeling sick, however, led her to get surgery which alleviated a lot of bloating and stomach issues she was having. So at the end of the day, switching to a vegan diet actually REVEALED her health issues. It's just so amazing to me that people immediately jump on veganism as the problem for every little health problem.

[@we_are_all_the_same]

Exactly. We live toxic lives since birth and that's why it is important to detox the body before going vegan. It helps accelerate microbiome change as well. True elimination and detox takes off the artificial stimulation from animal protein, caffeine, processed foods, prescriptions, etc. that has been masking symptoms for years. Once you lift the veil, you are given 2 options: detox and heal OR go back to being stimulated and deal with it being manifested in other ways throughout your life.

[@kyrenity]

It's just funny that people not on a vegan diet also experience these issues, because it's not exclusive to veganism. On both sides, there's a healthy way and an unhealthy way to go about what you're eating. Not sure what she was doing wrong, specifically, but I know personally that, for example, pms cycles for someone I know got a lot better (more consistent and less intense) after going vegan.

[@NeneChan203]

Man, i'm so tired. It feels like there's one step forward, and twenty steps backwards. Anyways, (only) 2+ years vegan here, no malnutrition, no dark circles, no tireness, yadda yadda yadda. Feel great, love food, full of energy and never get tired. But anyways, #VeganForTheAnimals first and foremost. :-)

[@normhanson981]

Makes you appreciate the energy of people like Mic . It is tough when the human race is pathetic.

[@RealJonzuk]

I love being like my ancestors! My funeral is also planned for 5 years out im 20 now but i gotta stay consistant with my ancestors edit i drank raw.milk once and i think i got a disease and i am still deteriotatimg but the vegan diet has been helping some days are almost normal

[@laramcpherson3373]

These people drive me nuts. They have told the world they are vegan, but they can't stick to the principles they have preached to everyone, so rather than admitting that it is their wavering commitment and weak will, they make out they had no choice as they were falling apart. Just be honest and confess you couldn't stick to it because you didn't want to and needed an excuse to save face.

[@iis.1989]

Those ex-vegans, they have the same stupid script.

[@quebecer4605]

Another great video!!! Thank you!

[@mrmisanthrope140]

I became vegan for ethical reasons but the health benefits have been enormous. I was on diabetes medication for 15 years, no more, I also no longer take cholesterol medication and have gone from three blood pressure medications to one, and it's a low dose. I also lost 40 lbs. All because I got angry at people in China for eating dogs and cats and then realized I had no room to talk when I was eating pigs and cows. Five years Vegan now and NEVER going back.

[@DrReginaldFinleySr]

How can anyone that knows how these beautiful sentient beings are slaughtered mercilessly, smile? That shook me. And she called it a "bad day". OMNG! I just don't understand. It's crazy watching people that seemed like decent thinking humans suddenly became instantly brain dead and uncaring. Disgusting.

[@somnia3423]

Most people could, its not that bad

[@lifecoachmikenj]

Veganism does make your gums bleed. Look at this guy Mike he is so pasty white, he looks emaciated, and yet he’s sitting there talking about healthful eating. Just insane

[@RaceLever]

Eating animals because you think you can't find a meat eater with the same complexion as Mike as you comment to help support and defend more killing is what's truly insane... So grab a mirror and gaze into it if you wish to view true insanity... ;-)

[@lifecoachmikenj]

@@RaceLever seriously this is why 99.96% of the population eats meat because the .04% of you are angry and violent little trolls.

[@sidilicious11]

She’s young and jumping on and off different diets, thinking the current one is the one true way. Youth, idealism, experimentation...

[@airixxxx]

Too bad more and more veganism and plant based are being mixed to the point that people think veganism is a diet.

[@sidilicious11]

@@airixxxx I don’t think you’ll win that battle. Vegan is widely used to describe a plant based diet.

[@airixxxx]

@@sidilicious11 wrongly so.

[@jeffk464]

Scam means someone is trying to rip you off. I don't see how this fits.

[@JoeARedHawk275]

It’s referring to the industry, meaning trying to get you to buy vegan products probably. Also, many have fallen for the keto diet, so being vegan means you can eat sugar. We all know what the sugar industry did to the food pyramid and they kinda screwed a lot of shit up. So they probably think the sugar industry is also behind veganism. However, beyond this, I know for a fact that she’s doing everything to generate views and money for her crypto scheme. She was a cam girl before and I know for a fact she does not want a traditional job so she has to have provocative videos to get views and get people to buy her crypto art

[@jeffk464]

@@JoeARedHawk275 Well the video of her shooting a bow in yogo pant in some inverted yogo position was pretty impressive. We all have to put food on the table I guess. Mic is I'm sure doing one of these quick response videos for a bit of a payday.

[@carnismiscancer2108]

Veganism is rising and thriving while carnism is trying and dying! Keep fighting vegans! CHARGE!!!!

[@DrJaxonsElixirOfLife]

No such thing as an EX vegan - just EX plant based...

[@Tarrynn]

the beginning reminds me of when i spent so much time helping this girl go vegan and on day 5, she insisted that she was getting brand new chest pains and that lack of dairy must be causing it… but she also had a generalized anxiety disorder, which i do as well, and sometimes anxiety can make you think you’re having an actual panic attack. i would know, i’ve called 911 before because of it. but she went back to dairy the next day and “instantly felt better”

[@softglow9]

I've only been a vegan for around a month or so but I've never felt any better. I've lost some weight, have more energy and my skin is much more clearer. It just feels good overall. There's a lot of misinformation out there so it's best to just try it out yourself. Thanks for this video!

[@amyfu2047]

Funny. That’s how I feel but my diet is the exact opposite of yours.

[@davidsgardell]

Sad to see another Live King inspired business person. The trend is on the rise and these guys need to act fast, before this buzz/fad will disappear. I've been vegan since 2005 and would say my health is above average. Well I know it is, they invited us in for a check up when we turned 40 and everything was fine - unlike for other people my age group. It's problematic that these individuals have access to a huge platform. And to a long term vegan, there's no doubt in my mind, these people are either just making crap up or they were they were eating like tiny birds. Sadly we never see their blood works, and we never hear them talking about what the doc or dietitian suggested they should be doing to correct their issue. With regular omnis, when they are having health problems, they will be suggested blood work, supplements, etc. But with these guys, it's always the mysterious missing nutrient, only found in animal products. If it's not for money, social media, etc like in her case, I think it's just them not wanting to be vegan and are trying to tell themselves that they are still being a decent person, even if they are part of the sick and twisted horror movie that the animal industry is.

[@JoeARedHawk275]

No it’s definitely for money. I’m ashamed to say it, but I’ve seen her on a camming site several times (the one with chat in it). I knew her face looked familiar, but I couldn’t put two and two together until I saw “contortionist” and acrobatics. Then I knew why. I don’t remember her name on there though. However, you can find videos of her online doing naked acrobatics and shit. I don’t want to spread it too much since I feel it’s a little inappropriate, but yeah this proves that she is doing it for the views and money since she probably didn’t want to keep camming. I wonder how this will affect her career and if she’ll ever acknowledge her past though. It such a weird twist seeing her here, it’s like i’m living in a simulation or something. Anyways, I don’t trust anybody who has “NFT” in their bio. I just automatically assume everything she’s doing online is to make money. Edit: I’ve found her username on there lmao

[@CourageToB]

since how many decades are u 40? u look like 70!

[@CourageToB]

@@JoeARedHawk275 bastard

[@thatcanadiangrandma]

I guess it's less of an issue to say that you're recovering from veganism than from an ED. I had an ED and what she mentions is almost textbook what i've got in my years being sick. But then, she seems young and influenceable, so...i don't know what to make of it. In any case, that liver thing made me gag, and she freaked me out a bit.

[@3Diva]

Ummmm All the "issues" she listed and that she blames on a "vegan diet" I had BEFORE I became vegan. In fact many of those same issues improved (and some disappeared completely) within a few months after I became vegan. I still get light circles under my eyes, but not nearly as bad as I used to. And my periods have gotten SO MUCH BETTER! I very rarely get PMS anymore, my bleeding is a lot more regular and normal, and I rarely have cramps anymore. One of the ones that cracks me up the most is the "lack of energy" statement - I have SO MUCH MORE energy than I used to, the difference is night and day! That's one of the major things I noticed even just within the first couple of weeks of going vegan - the increase in energy is phenomenal. It really sounds to me like she wasn't eating enough calories, as MANY of the things she listed as being caused by a "vegan diet" is often associated with too low of a calorie intake. She probably just needs to eat a bit more. Maybe eat some nuts, peanut butter, or other higher-calorie vegan food. The fact that she said she went to the doctor and her blood tests were all pretty normal says a lot. It sounds like the vegan diet was doing her body good, she probably just wasn't eating enough calories.

[@we_are_all_the_same]

Exactly. We live toxic lives since birth and that's why it is important to detox the body before going vegan. It helps accelerate microbiome change as well.

[@DH-uw3us]

Her first Tik Tok seemed like satire until you showed the second one. The scam is her getting any recognition off of it at all. It was a fad for her.

[@Osiwan960]

she uses so many words just to say "i want to support the animal cruelty holocaust slaughterhouses again so here's my rationalization"

[@Osiwan960]

@@lovelily8310 it's heartless murder. animals have the right to live like anyone. your profile is a cute bunny and you have the word Love in it yet you kill the innocent harmless creatures just for your selfish tastebuds. sick psychopath.

[@LouisGedo]

*Create a Better 🌎 and a Better You by ................Living Vegan*

[@janetthoke6326]

I'm 30 years into this scam. Seems like a good scam to me! Think I will stick with it. 😊

[@ateudeng1715]

I don't get these people who follow a diet mainly for clout and income from social media. If you follow a certain diet, do it because you like the food you eat, your body thanks you for it, and/or you ascribe by the principles it follows. If you feel pressure from society from being too different, feel free to tell them "FU for being too closed-minded." Real friends and family would be sensitive enough to ensure that you have something to eat when in a gathering because they love you for who you are, not who they want you to be.

[@vderak1]

How can people go backwards after knowing? I've had many crazy dreams too but I wouldn't want to do these in real life. Dreams are dreams, not reality. People are stupid.

[@Shura3]

My experience is the complete opposite 😂 Maybe she accidentally traveled back in time without noticing but my gums stopped bleeding, PMS went away and mood increased after switching to a vegan diet… still vegan, 8 years later and no issues whatsoever…

[@mikefuentes332]

Recovering vegan? Poor baby………….

[@justmegawatt]

Everything she listed are things non-vegans experience all the time. I hope she watches this and goes vegan again!

[@shannonnelson7764]

Vegans always say the largest animal being the elephant is vegetarian - but the strongest and largest humans eats meat. Let's not compare ourselves to other species :)

[@dasbrilliant]

Willing to bet this girl dated a super vegan guy and he broke her heart and left her for another Susie wheatgrass and now she’s on a sick one

[@ConGamePro]

I've been vegan for nine years. I work in a warehouse. I bump into all kinds of stuff all day long. I can assure you that the bruising she is blaming veganism for is horse manure. I would be filled with bruises because unlike her, I actually have a physically demanding job. I guess according to her, this vegan bruising must only happen to women her age?

[@irinashmakova4477]

I have to drop a comment here that vegan lifestyle has actually eased the symptoms to thrombosis and low blood pressure I've had since a child, also cured my bleeding gums. As for menstrual cycle, as a person with irregular one, I have to admit that vegan diet neither improves nor makes it worse. It just makes the cramps less tense, to my experience by being a vegan over 3 years.

[@angmori172]

7 years vegan reporting in at 8x200 kg deadlift, only started lifting 3 years ago. I guess I've been scammed huh? Also despite being a chain smoker my blood work is pretty much perfect in contrast with my high blood pressure as a fit, 20 year old corpse muncher

[@flyingfig12]

2 words - *Easyway method* - check it out! you won't regret it and welcome freeeedom!

[@ConGamePro]

Yeah but what about your bruising ? hahahha This girl is so full of crap that the truth is she missed bacon. I was a meat eater most of my life. If i needed meat to be healthy, I would surely know by now, nine years after going vegan.

[@roselaura-gracesing4968]

I was vegan for several years and then went into a depression and started eating meat, dairy and eggs. I was in such a deep Depression That eating animals flesh made me feel good but also made my depression worse! Then our Dog, Jazzy, got hit by a car and was killed! From that moment on I snapped out of it and now my husband and I have been raising our children vegan and are a vegan family. Animals are not for us to rape, torture and kill! Vegan is the only way. #veganforever

[@jorgen3662]

Kind of evil up to make a video attacking young women when they share their truthful experience of eating vegan diet aka becoming weak, malnourished, infertility etc the list goes on.

[@caylinpaige6397]

The gums bleeding thing only happens to me if I do not brush my teeth everyday. So my guess is this lady wasn't brushing her teeth everyday lol. I also want to add that the meat dreams are happening to me too. I noticed a correlation to poor food choices on those days aka not paying attention to my protein intake on those days which left me hungry. So my guess is that since I grew up eating meat and that was my main source of protein before. I want to note that those dreams were very upsetting because I thought I ate meat for real and felt so much shame. I am sure she wasn't going vegan for the right reasons and that is why she failed.