VEGANISM made me SICK - Lierre Keith / Crowder - Silly MEAT EATER comments #12

Did veganism make Lierre Keith sick? In this video, TheVeganAtheist critiques an interview between Lierre Keith (author of The Vegetarian Myth) and Steven Crowder (Louder with Crowder podcast) regarding veganism and animal agriculture. Lierre Keith claims that going vegan made her sick. Let's find out if this is really true in Silly Meat Eater Comments #12.
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[@VeganTruth]

Thumbs up for everyone who didn't unsubscribe from my channel! Bonus points if anyone can guess from what movie the grey background at the start and end of the video is from!

[@crazypolishvegan7369]

I don't know, sorry... :)

[@theamhway]

TheVeganAtheist arrival?

[@RosettisRevenge]

I'm Someone that's the only one i can think of lol

[@VeganTruth]

which video?

[@VeganTruth]

you got it!

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

she said some plants need to be cooked before eating..... does she not remember that meat and eggs have to be cooked and milk has to be pasteurized..... SMH

[@dr.ashkad4964]

ASMRyouVEGANyet? Actually meat needs to be cooked much longer and thoroughly to prevent various parasitic diseases.

[@Ryalnotch]

ASMRyouVEGANyet? And even if you cook meat to a lump of char you still get the endo-toxins/lipopolysaccharides that without fail triggers a immune response and causes inflammation every time you eat it.

[@tedmoy]

ASMRyouVEGANyet? Actually, milk pasteurization isn't all that great.

[@garybrocklehurst6784]

Do animals which have evolved to have a meat based diet have this immune response too?

[@Kfreeks]

Gary Brocklehurst - My guess; probably not.

[@walterbyrd8380]

Lierre Keith was never a vegan. She even admits it herself. She admits to eating tons of egg and dairy. Her book is absolute crap.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

walter byrd yeah I remember reading about her long before I became vegan and thought she was an idiot. now that I'm actually Vegan I just can't stand her. she's a real life troll

[@DylanLenn]

She's what I believe unnatural vegan will be like in 2-3 years

[@NinjaWatermelon42]

Dylan Lenn why? Unnatural Vegan seems very rational, eats a healthy, varied but not obsessive diet and has a sensible attitude towards veganism.

[@abruskabrus3677]

Klycarbo because nobody is allowed to criticise veganism, we have to be cultlike about it apparently

[@veganviking4929]

Klycarbo I like her videos. She's very informative and rational. She doesn't really bash other vegans, like a lot of vegan youtubers.

[@alkihir9832]

No wonder she had health problems after twenty years of veganism, she clearly did not take the time to do any research into the nutrients needed for a healthy diet. Hell, she is even ignorant of much of basic biology and evolution, not even getting started on the ethics travesties in her worldview. I don't necessarily blame Crowder because his audience desperately needs some talking points as vegans and vegetarians constitute a disproportionately large share of their political opposition. Public speakers and intellectuals either more centrist or on the opposite side of the political spectrum like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have much more honest and open discussions on the topic.

[@veganviking4929]

My health got better after I went vegan.

[@veganviking4929]

exodus21v20 Did you get a blood test to determine if you were deficient in any nutrients? If so, which ones. Were you a raw vegan or what vegan diet did you follow?

[@DaleAmigaman]

Well almost everyone in the west gets sick...really sick eating meat and dairy. My health has improved dramatically since becoming vegan. If I become sick it won't be because I need meat. There's no magical nutrient in meat that I know of.

[@22blue3]

Were you supplementing/fortifying with B12? It sounds like you may have forgotten that, as B12 deficiency takes several years to develop

[@nameTBA]

22 Blue Can't see the comment with your reply about my question for some reason but, the argument is just moral? Is there any reasoning behind why said moral ruling is beneficial in this particular case?

[@22blue3]

+TBA Not sure what you mean by beneficial. I can just copy and repaste it here if that works?

[@themarkmethod4845]

If we go back 2 years ago I was the biggest meat eater and used to get so defensive when I knew I'd be interacting with vegetarians (at the time a didnt know any vegans). I had chest pains which after some tests at the docs turned out to be related to having high cholesterol (at the age of 20!). since coming across this channel, Vegan Gainz, Jon Venus etc. I changed to a plant based whole foods diet along with researching religiously and since doing so...no chest pains and a whole other load of benefits 💪

[@jasonmccredden3147]

Well done

[@yotamsho8597]

PT Frankham awesome work my friend

[@sonja4164]

PT Frankham that's awesome 👊

[@veganviking4929]

PT Frankham I was well on my way to having a heart attack at 26. I had trouble breathing, chest pains, headaches, felt constantly sick and tired, and suffered from gout. My cholesterol was high, about 175, and blood pressure was extremely high, around 200 over 100. I still am considered "morbidly obese" weighing in at 365 pounds. Been vegan a few months. My blood pressure dropped dramatically after a few weeks and now have more energy.

[@veganviking4929]

LloydChristmas777 Will do. Thanks for the reply.

[@Flakes.tha.ogkilla]

I have no vegan friends and I'm vegan. I based my choices for the environment, health benefits and for animal freedom!

[@cherrypie9057]

I have no vegan friends either, it gets a little lonely.

[@SolitaryReaper666]

We love the Vegan Atheist!!

[@mattlogan6892]

damn we do

[@MyNameIsKotryna]

I wouldn't say Crowder is far right. He's on the right, but not far right.

[@kak10053]

Pie of Awesome On the American right he's not too far, but compared to the European right he's pretty far

[@MyNameIsKotryna]

Yeah, true.

[@bdmenne]

Pie of Awesome many say "far right" to chum the waters for their sycophants to ply them towards argument agreement before even starting.

[@brandbird]

Also an interesting point is that a lot of plants grow parts of themselves specifically to be eaten by an animal, such as a human. Fruits for example.

[@Peasham]

konsumer77 And cows over-produce milk, specifically so animals like humans can milk them. But, of course, that doesn't count. For reasons.

[@brandbird]

The reason is that cows are genetically modified by humans.

[@brandbird]

From my first grade biology class? The fruit is the prize the animal gets for eating the seeds and spreading them around with it's poop.

[@cdahl]

The seed grows back into a tree not the animal edible parts. Your link even asserts that "Edible fruits, in particular, have propagated with the movements of humans and animals in a symbiotic relationship as a means for seed dispersal and nutrition;" You think fruits are nice and bright to attract our eyes, and smell wonderful to attract our sense of smell, get soft when ripe to appease our sense of touch, are usually easily peeled with our hands, fingers, nails, mouthes, yet we and other animals have absolutely no part in spreading their seeds or benefiting from their consumption? They're literally calling for us to eat them. You must think fruit trees get mad when we eat their fallen ripe fruits and shit out their seeds in other areas and help them spread out more. Also, we and other frugivores highly benefit from from ingesting vitamin C while carnivores synthesize their own. It's probably why we're so great at peeling and eating raw fruits compared to say a lion.

[@brandbird]

You are being deliberately obtuse, so yeah, conversating with you will be totally fruitful. Pun intented.

[@Chukojc94]

Sorry but they deserve all the abuse they get. I'm not even an internet troll but I can't even listen to all of this because it gets on my nerves too much.

[@NoExitLoveNow]

The longest lived and healthiest people on the planet are the vegan Seventh Day Adventists in Loma Linda California. That alone refutes the assertion that it is necessary to eat slaughtered animal carcasses for health. "Agriculture is the most destructive activity." While that is arguable, it obviously cannot be helped. We could not all return to picking nuts and berries, nor would we want to do so. If agriculture is the most destructive activity then animal agriculture is the mostest of the most destructive activity. Of course, all things are relative.

[@shawnritter5768]

I am glad animal agriculture was mentioned in this video. If you look at the EPA web site it breaks down all of the greenhouse gases and what amounts of each are released by the industry. Animal agriculture is the worst emission source of the gasses that effect climate change in the world. While coal emits tons of carbon a day, animal agriculture emits methane carbon, and a other greenhouse gasses everyday. Not only is it changing the climate, but it is also killing our marine life, nitrogen oxide and other chemicals are being dumped into our water ways due to waste, and other reasons that are killing the fish, and plant life not only in rivers and streams, but also in our oceans. But in the USA we are not allowed to talk negatively about it without fear of legal recourse.

[@joshuaft1]

There's also a massive misunderstanding of evolution presented by these two. They seem to assert that wolves actively chose to evolve into domestic dogs. This completely false. Organisms do not try to evolve, all of the non adapted ones die, or don't breed. Humans artificially prevented the more aggressive animals from reproducing, this went directly against the desires of the most of the wolves in a group. They didn't actively coordinate with us, and more generally speaking, wolves never wanted to become dogs.

[@wschippr1]

Joshua 9999 Actually, there is some evidence that dogs evolved symbiotically with humans. The problem is we don't have a very good record of the process. Cats for example, almost certainly domesticated themselves. Humans settlements attract rodents and they attracted cats. Humans realized cats reduced rodents and promoted cats being around and so on and so forth.

[@AtheistAllosaurus]

Over a year of waiting... *AND IT WAS SO WORTH IT*!

[@theamhway]

Beautiful video veganatheist... I was raised a Hindu and a vegetarian. So killing animals for food was always wrong to me due to religion. Even when I became an atheist, I couldn't see any moral sense I'm eating meat. It seemed barbaric to me. I recently decided to slowly leave all the dairy from my food. I still can't figure out how to stop eating ice cream. That's the only form I eat now. But, even when I thought becoming vegan was unnecessary, I never understood the hate they get. What can be more non violent or what we call ahimsa in India (gandhi-like) and moral than trying ones best to not hurt?

[@1234Cheesus]

I'm Someone frozen bananas in a food processor, unreal! Or there's plenty of vegan brands that have good ice creams!

[@theamhway]

George we don't get vegan ice creams here in India. Not even almond milk or stuff.. I think we do get soy milk, but I don't need that.. We get tofu too. I'll try the banana thing...

[@sonja4164]

I'm Someone it's the cognative dissonance that non-vegans feel, that makes them act that way towards vegans. it's not really about the vegan, they're really fighting with their own conscious.

[@theamhway]

Sonja V I feel the same too

[@sonja4164]

I'm Someone​ 👊

[@rkan10]

"she said some plants need to be cooked before eating." ????? whats wrong with this?

[@Pyriphlegeton]

Yeah! Dr. Michael Greger mentioned! ^^

[@SweRaider1993]

Not a good thing, as he has a history of exaggerating claims as other researchers in the skeptic movement have pointed out... (Although Dr. Hall has her own agenda, she points out many blatant flaws in some of his popular videos) We need to stay away from biased personalities and go directly to the sources: Meta-analyses and reviews. It takes more effort, but you get a less warped view on the subject. The health benefits of a plant-based diet are moderate when it comes to the major diseases. [1] But it's not some miracle cure to every disease as Dr. Greger often tries to convey (via his support of dubious unreplicated research like that of heart-disease reversal by Ornish or Esselstyn). [1] *All-cause mortality* Systematic review and meta-analysis: "This comprehensive meta-analysis reports a significant protective effect of a vegetarian diet versus the incidence and/or mortality from ischemic heart disease (-25%) and incidence from total cancer (-8%). Vegan diet conferred a significant reduced risk (-15%) of incidence from total cancer." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26853923/ Meta-analysis: "Red meat consumption is associated with an increased risk of total, CVD and cancer mortality. Substitution of other healthy protein sources for red meat is associated with a lower mortality risk." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3712342/ Meta-analysis: "These results indicate that high consumption of red meat, especially processed meat, may increase all-cause mortality." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24148709 *Cancer* Meta-analysis: "Findings from this meta-analysis suggest that a higher consumption of red meat was associated with a greater risk of esophageal cancer." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23467465 Systematic review: "Red meat, dietary fat and milk intake should be minimised as they appear to increase the risk of prostate cancer. Fruit and vegetables and polyphenols may be preventive in prostate cancer, but further studies are needed ..." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24976856 Systematic review: "High consumption of red meat and processed meat possibly increases risk of colorectal cancer or colon cancer among the Japanese population." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24842864 Review: "High consumption of meat such as chicken, pork, and poultry showed a positive association with the risk [of thyroid cancer], but dairy products showed no significant association." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25136535 Systematic review and meta-analysis: "Meat consumption is associated with esophageal cancer risk, which depends on meat type and histological type of esophageal cancer." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24395380 Systematic review and meta-analysis: "Processed meat intake was associated with increased risk of EAC. These results suggest that low levels of red and processed meat consumption and higher levels of fish intake might reduce EC risk." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23590703 Meta-analysis: "The results of this meta-analysis indicate that consumption of red and processed meat may be associated with increased risk of esophageal adenocarcinoma." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23179661 *Heart disease* Review: "The overall findings suggest that neither unprocessed red nor processed meat consumption is beneficial for cardiometabolic health, and that clinical and public health guidance should especially prioritize reducing processed meat consumption." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23001745 Meta-analysis: "Findings from this meta-analysis indicate that consumption of red and/or processed meat increase risk of stroke, in particular, ischemic stroke." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169473 Meta-analysis and review: "Consumption of processed meats, but not red meats, is associated with higher incidence of CHD and diabetes mellitus." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20479151 *Diabetes* Meta-analysis: "Our results suggest that red meat consumption, particularly processed red meat, is associated with an increased risk of T2D." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21831992/ *Obesity* Systematic review and meta-analysis: "The current analysis revealed that red and processed meat intake is directly associated with risk of obesity, and higher BMI and WC. However, the heterogeneity among studies is significant. These findings suggest a decrease in red and processed meat intake." - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24815945 *Of course always check funding or you can get biased studies as well* I only found two or three meta-analyses that went counter to the above results but these were done by one researcher with very obvious vested interests as all his research was funded by Cattlemen's Beef Board, National Cattlemen's Beef Association, National Pork Board, Beef Checkoff, Egg Nutrition Center, etc. This is quite the opposite compared to the above studies which were funded by national health institutes or other independent associations and agencies. As such I've excluded his studies. But you can find them here if you want to check for yourself: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Alexander+DD

[@blueviserion]

Jon 93 thanks for this post

[@rolandkristo141]

Jon 93 wooow, thanks mate :)))

[@mattlogan6892]

thanks for the detailed post

[@FathomlessJoy]

I used to love Dr. Greger. Posted his links as evidence all the time. Now I am supporting Greger less and less. At first he was great. But lately, the last year, he has creeped and creeped closer and closer to quackery, seemingly in love with his own voice. Dude did like a 1000-part series on the dangers of rice. Rice! Um, research Asians at dinner, dude. Rails against sweet potatoes, white potatoes, corn. Talking about "healthy fats" lately. You know, paleo buzzwords. Starting to look like any whole food source of calories is his enemy. Also, omnivores are increasingly using his quackery as justification for their own lives of sickness.

[@teliph3U]

"Auschwitz of asparagus" - I just can't facepalm hard enough to do this expression justice.

[@dreadgunner]

3:19 Going vegan should be an informed decision... exactly why I could never be vegan. There is too much information and good common sense to allow me to be vegan, or vegitarian.

[@FathomlessJoy]

I imagine she gets a lot of threats from the voices in her head.

[@MrDavid8460]

I love your videos, you're really trying to change people without manipulating them, the world needs more people like you.

[@PathsUnwritten]

First advertisement on the video: "Arby's - We Have The Meat!"

[@MrRyanMinnick]

Thank you for talking about this. This interview kind of confused me. So thanks for clearing this up!

[@brettco20]

I criticized this video when I saw it and had to turn notifications off because I got so many stupid replies lol

[@pgreg8528]

Brett Coatney i experienced that too. Crowder himself commented and it was all bullshit

[@xKryoxMan]

Did any of you encounter the Meat Eater Counterpart of Vegan Zealots known as ARC CON?

[@hallief9082]

I don't understand "ex-vegans". How could you eat meat and dairy after you know all of the cruelty behind it? Including the health and environmental aspects I think you would just not have to care.

[@mattlogan6892]

if any of you out here would like to see what videos i have to offer i'd be so blessed!

[@miks8]

Her argumentation clearly shows that she was vegan on faulty grounds and was turned by equally flawed arguments and points. Shocker.

[@MykGerard]

If she never become a vegan and had the same health problems she'd probably have written a book about something else.

[@elleh3495]

she just called a plant a "chemical warfare people"

[@sarahshine6026]

Crumbling bones hahaha what a lie, almond milk has alot more calcium than milk and it is alot more healthier overall

[@sfashaikh1187]

Hi, TVA; I always agree with your opinion (with my conscious mind); You are Ethically, Scientifically, Morally & 'little Socially' Right. In first, I listened #HEMANTMEHTA, i was Agnostic, But he Changed me, Now I'm a Complete Atheist. & You made me 'Vegan' for gud reasons (1-for health 2-for Morality). Now i want to know about 2 Persons 1 - Hemant Meheta Can i hear him, is he Morally right ? Does he have gud belief ? 2 - #RichardDawkins Can I read his books, Is he Morally Right, He said (I heard), Humans have selfish genes, so we can Consume Animal meat, it's not probably worst, ~ one of the my friend told me that in cropping (in the farms) a lots of insects were killed by farmers(crushing in foot). What for them, they also can feel pain, We must think for our own interests. We can not save 7 Billion people and Innumerable animals.

[@veganviking4929]

Saw a milk ad before this video. How ironic.

[@michaelwatts5481]

I am vegan. It is better to not eat animal products, but I also believe it would just be a much better world if more people knew the benefits and safety of just fasting. It's not safe for everyone, but the human body wasn't designed to eat everyday.

[@davidyoung3833]

I got an Arby's commercial when I click on this video so tomorrow I'm going to Arby's

[@boilingsoymilk]

really glad you're back! hope that you can grow your channel to have a good influence on the vegan movement. we need calm people like you

[@NakedSam253]

I apologize in advance for my english level since english is not my first language. It's been about a year that I started transitioning from a meat eating diet to a vegan one. And today I wondered if being vegan is about being against the use of animal products in the production of food, such as wearing leather shoes, using bone char or being produced in a factory that makes animal derived products, even if not including any animal derived products in the final product or being simply against putting animal derived products in food and using animal derived objects such as pieces of clothing, makeup, etc... What do you think ?

[@Try2K3tchup]

When she mentions that we mostly ate meat which is wrong because when we were first on this earth we ate a diet high in fiber (100+ grams) per day and that was before the use of tools and weapons

[@elleh3495]

she also said vegans are against protein and fats...also not true. she also says land cleared for agriculture is bad, but doesnt accept that most ag land is for feeding animals...none of what she says makes sense

[@D3rMesaa]

Kinda funny how they always use the same idiotic arguments always disregarding the same factors. We're literally fighting against strawmen ^^

[@xmateinc]

My ancient ancestors live in a cave, so thats where I live. They had it all figured out back then.

[@RittaJacob]

I became a vegan at 10 after my father had taken me to the butcher to buy meat

[@Dudefromspace567]

After her hierarchy argument I think it is safe to say that she lacks sentience and therefor is ethical to eat her.

[@6Fiona6_P_6]

I will admit it here. I do eat chicken and sometimes bacon and eat cheese and eggs. But claiming veganism makes you ill? Come on. Everyone knows fruit and vegetables are necessary for good health. And provide most of the vital minerals and vitamins that our bodies need. And asserting what our hunter gatherer ancestors ate? No one can accurately or absolutely answer that question yet. And one day science will probably reveal that our ancestors did eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. After all our ancestors couldn't have successfully hunt an animal every single day. So our ancestors had to rely on fruit and vegetables just to survive.

[@sacrificialtomato]

Any quick search on youtube would show that she admits to eating eggs and dairy during her "vegan" days.

[@mrmingsun]

Hunter Gathers did NOT eat mainly meat. they ate some meat but mostly starches.

[@elleh3495]

🙄she was not a vegan for 20 years; she said she binged ok dairy and eggs whenever she could

[@Ghost-ns8vs]

0:25 techniclly hes not far right hes center right

[@richwilson1788]

She was lying and doing "vegan" eating wrong. In another interview, she said (quoting) "I binged on eggs and dairy as much as I could!". So, never vegan.

[@tyrantulusdecroix2059]

I actually love the perspective you have. I am not an atheist and I am an omnivore. I do believe that humans are predatory in nature.. when observing non-human predatory species in their natural state they hunt and consume the flesh of other creatures.. is it too hard to accept that we as a still evolving species are still in general predatory? Who is to say how long it will take for our species to finally move beyond the templates of our past.. but here in this moment I know that it is ok that I eat meat and it is ok that you don't all that matters is love! "When we finally learn how to love and forget how to hate I will be there with open arms and an open heart. I pray to the universe itself for ALL my brothers and sisters to one day feel the same.". subscribed for sure!

[@the1staddiction]

New studies show plants feel pain... that fresh cut grass smell.. is a distress call from the grass...

[@1234Cheesus]

jarrod beals zzz shit joke

[@patrickp2836]

My only problem with vegans is anytime you try to bring up the fact that eating fat is healthy they make it about eating animals. Even though you can eat coconut oil, nuts and avocados as fat sources. I don't understand why people stating eating healthy fats is so offensive to vegans.I have been argueing with vegans about sugar causing diabetes not fat. That shouldn't even be debatable issue since Fat doesn't spike insulin or blood sugar, and someone eating a high fat diet will have lower blood sugar.

[@mollyoxy]

It's sad that she's spreading so much misinformation to already ignorant meat eaters 😑

[@MrGuruGanji]

The morale argument for veganism will never convince anyone. I never understand why people think that this should be the approach when discussing the issue.

[@kiranaaisyah5281]

maybe it doesn't work for some people, but it definitely works for me. Ethical arguments are the reasons that made me go vegan. After that I just did research more about the environmental aspect, but health aspect was never really the reason, I just see that as benefit. So I think different arguments attract different people.

[@sonja4164]

MrGuruGanji it convinced me...

[@MrGuruGanji]

Well I suppose I shouldn't say anyone, more specifically I'd say anyone who wouldn't grant the level of sentience that vegans give to most animals. If you agree with concept that animals (besides humans) should be given more rights, you probably stay in the minority for awhile. Not to say that vegan ideas wouldn't become more widespread, but the morale brow beating will never really convince anyone, as it is usually treated as an attack on someones character.

[@sonja4164]

MrGuruGanji actually, the moral "browbeating" has been effective for quite a number of people. There is no "one way" to advocate for the avoidance of animal exploitation. Besides, that's what veganism is about, consciously avoiding the participation of animal exploitation.

[@MrGuruGanji]

I think me and you have different definition of "quite a number of people". Less than 1% of the U.S population are classified as vegan. I believe Scientology has better track record than that and there a religious cult. So I guess if want create an ideology based on consciously objecting to meat products, and those who consume it, its a lose lose situation for you and those who object. "There is no "one way" to advocate for the avoidance of animal exploitation" I agree. My complaint is the moral brow beating as I see it as invective, and at times comes off as entitled by those advocating it. "Besides, that's what veganism is about, consciously avoiding the participation of animal exploitation" As I stated before that's why it won't last. It's fine if you decided on your accord that being a Vegan is the most moral and ethical choice. But your not changing minds of the majority with such a position.

[@souldotexe3943]

Hey TheVeganAtheist can you respond to Bearing's new video: "Extreme vegan virtue signals about not virtue signalling!"

[@Zaoresor]

Oh, no. I can't find all the satiation... what I'm doing wrong?

[@KohuGaly]

The one on one fight comparison between apex predators is not fair. That's not how hunting works. Humans are social animals, which means we tend to hunt in packs. A group of 5-10 people can easily chase down any animal into exhaustion and then kill it bare-handed. The trick is to avoid fight until the animal is incapable of fighting back. Most apex predators hunt in packs animals far larger and stronger than they are, to which they would most likely not win on 1-on-1 fight. Chasing down pray before killing it is a technique that majority of hunters are familiar with even with modern hunting tools. The tools just reduce the risk of human injury and increase the efficiency - they are not absolutely necessary for success.

[@microhomebrew]

I do not believe it is necessary to eat animals to be healthy. I do believe that animals are capable of feeling joy and suffering from their treatment in life. I do not support cruel animal treatment and cruel animal agriculture. I do not believe in a correlation between adhering to those beliefs and the act of eating meat, that should conclude an inconsistency of logic. I don't think eating a dead animal is a bad thing. Hurting an animal is, but eating one is not. If I begin at an easier example, road kill. If I witness an animal (and this has happened) die from being struck by a car, I have no qualms with eating it afterwards. At a more difficult level to accept for vegans, I don't think it's wrong to kill an animal for food as long as it doesn't suffer in the process. Under my moral and philosophical code of ethical beliefs, I assert that negative emotional experiences has negative values, and should be avoided, however I also believe that life itself has no intrinsic value. Everything dies, and I don't think it is sad or wrong for that to happen. I don't believe my involvement in the process contradicts that belief. I do not support the act of trapping, for the reason that is harms animals and causes them to suffer. I do support certain hunting methods that prevent suffering during the killing process. Bow hunting, which often takes time to kill an animal, is not morally permissible for me. Due to the lack of extraordinary skill that it should take to reliably kill an animal with a single shot from a gun on every hunt, I am conflicted on that matter. Similar to bow hunting, I don't support the act when the chances of causing suffering are two great such as with large game. Small game tend far more often to die immediately when shot, so I can readily support that. Animal agriculture is not against my moral code in and of itself, but the big-business model that hurts the animals is NOT ok. Free range farms are okay by me as long as they use a sensibly quick and painless method of execution.

[@undergrace1808]

Hahaha "Plants don't want to be eaten,"like they have the awareness to want to run"

[@Samthebasedman]

I'm subscribed to Crowder, this is a very good critique of his interview with Lierre Keith, in my opinion, Crowder is sometimes wrong on a couple things, however, his political commentary work is great.

[@ejisyopicus8988]

"I wish the internet wasn't protected by anonymity" - TheVeganAtheist If you watch this channel you support someone that wants mandatory identification in order to use the internet.

[@cjgt77]

I'm not vegan, but I thought you did a great job. I like it when somebody points out the right's "alternative facts".

[@TheHoffy59]

She's getting death threats? Time to head to your safe space time out.

[@dianasalles0]

I know from relatives who lived with tribes in Brazil that their diet is way carb-heavy, mostly cassava. And most tribes do not hunt, they only fish. And the fish they eat comprises a very small part of their diets. Also from being a scientific illustrator for the department of Anthropologu at the American Museum of Natural History, I saw that they do not know what early human diets were. Bones are found in settlements because they last longer than vegetables and fruit do, and knowledge in general about their lives is extremely limited. Anybody who pretends to fully know what prehistoric people lives is faking knowledge.

[@dianasalles0]

And I vehemently disagree with your statement that no profound insights on how to live can be found here, particularly stated over a foto of what may be a South American tribe. That is completely close-minded. You ought to learn about the many fascinating insights on how to live that can be found among first nations peoples. For instance the tribes that never punish children, the way stories are told through competitive games, and Their creative use of materials in their surroundings. I agree that there is no need to found our moral values necesserily from what traditional cultures practice, but your statement is way out there

[@swiftset]

No shade, but when I first saw the pic of Lierre Keith, I thought he was a handsome man.

[@Sonosoz]

I had to skip Keith and Crowders´ nonsense, it gets me too upset when people say so many inaccurate things. I just listened to the parts where you talked.

[@TheHoffy59]

another good one: plants don't want to be eaten either. They just can't run away and don't have claws, so all they can do is poison people. Some things need to be cooked to break the starch bonds, such as any kind of potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes. Beans need to be soaked and cooked, as well as some nuts and other legumes. But to say that they don't want to be eaten? I think this woman has serious mental problems.

[@Krissylavi]

She was obviously talking about the evolution of some plants, not the fact that plants a sentient. Also the fact that you said she had nothing to back up her claims is irrelevant, if you’re watch two people have a conversation obviously someone would give a site to reference for every single thing that comes out of their mouths

[@izzyira]

Veganism is the one thing I disagree with when it comes to Crowder. Other than that, his political views are pretty much comparable to mine. Would be interesting for you to deconstruct if vegans can be conservatives.

[@weeklystruggle4205]

i love your videos! thank you for your time making them!

[@rosastien-cross6144]

My brother tried it while he was working at the fair. He did it for a year and he said it felt good at first, but he finally collapsed during work and rushed to the er. They told him that he wasn't getting everything you needed. So he just started eating like he use to and was still healthy.

[@fiskefyren]

No, the reason he can eat animals is because he doesn't view pigs to be equal to dogs, as he would never eat a dog... ffs man, you're not very smart...

[@justincarlton4807]

We are Frugivorous, if we just ate from fruit trees and fruit plants we wouldn't destroy the land. The trees produce over and over without having to kill the tree or destroy the land.

[@personalperson5095]

Enjoyed the video but Stephen isn't "far-right". An anarchist is the farthest right. Communism, fascism and the like are farthest left. Sounds like your trying to us " far-right" as an insult.

[@TheFloatingSheep]

lmao breaking news butter isn't bad yup and cholesterol is fucking healthy laughing my ass off rn

[@farfiman]

Cave men didn't eat dairy. But she does.

[@sauluspaulus]

I was vegetarian for 5 years and vegan for about a year and i constantly felt my health going down till i got back to eating meat... I am not sure if it was because I ate the wrong way, which is totally possible, or because I was brought up eating a lot of meat and diary and my body was just used to it, or if it was only a placebo that told me i feel better now... But maybe it is also easier to eat all nutrients if you eat meat and diary... I found lean meat like chicken helps me to feel healthier for whatever reason but I still want to go back to veganism at some point...

[@simplyhuman9884]

Definitely do the research about what nutrients you need to look out for in plant foods. From my understanding, eating animals means you will be consuming the nutrients they had in their bodies prior to death, so when you eat only plant foods you will need to source these nutrients a little more individually. However, getting the nutrients through animals (including chickens and fish) means you also get all the unhealthy things that contribute to our main killers, like cholesterol and saturated fats. This means that veganism is healthier, as long as you're eating a variety of nutrients and enough calories. Once you have a good knowledge about what you should be including in a vegan diet, it definitely gets a lot easier. I think being motivated by ethics is really important - watch Gary Yourofsky's 'Best Speech Ever' if you haven't already. The website nutritionfacts has lots of info on good plant foods to eat, and why meat, dairy and eggs are not the healthiest sources of nutrients. If you try again and are really concerned, take a blood test - that way you can know for sure if you're lacking in anything and can easily search for ways to add another plant source into your diet. Good luck :)

[@sauluspaulus]

nice comment... i have to say though i was always into sports and nutrition so i kind of know what nutrients I need already. My problem was that it kind of felt like it wouldn't work, it's weird. My guess is maybe that because of the caloric density of vegan food I might have to eat a lot more (gram-wise) than usually and I just didn't eat enough - so I felt weaker and weaker over time. I am 6''3' and never was under 200 pounds and did a lot of sports. I never counted calories or something though just tried to eat clean and when I did that with a vegan diet it probably just wasn't enough. On a vegan diet I maybe need a much stricter plan if I want to do lots of sports. Also just by the way. I was never an ethical vegan in those regards. I didn't turn vegan because I felt bad for the animals, I went vegan because I think it's the most logical choice and the best for the planet in the long run. Maybe it's even necessary to be vegan in a not so distant future for the planet to survive

[@1234Cheesus]

TheSaulus I'd give it another shot, as you clearly understand some of the reasons to go vegan. Count your calories for a bit, to see if you're eating enough. Also a lot of people going vegan take meat eaters advice still such as white potatoes and bread are bad for you when they're not. They can easily up your calorie and nutrient intake!

[@nettierose4915]

I hope that you will give it another shot. You may be correct about your body being used to animal protein. Changing gradually and seeking advice from vegan dietitians may help. I don't mean to criticize but if you are going to eat meat, eating chicken will cause the most suffering of all. They are the most intensively raised. They are exempt from the Humane Slaughter Act. They are in constant horrible pain due to how they have been bred. Millions are scalded alive and millions suffer to deaths before slaughter due to the horrible conditions. Their suffering is unfathomable. But they get less compassion than mammals. Oysters and other invertebrates may be the best choice since they don't seem to have a central nervous system. I haven't eaten meat for 41 years and have been vegan for 26 years, am doing great.

[@cdahl]

It definitely sounds like you didn't get enough calories. It's a common mistake people transitioning make because they are used to eating more calorically dense foods. Give it another shot when you're ready and definitely use cronometer for a bit to make sure you're meeting your caloric needs - at least until you get the hang of it. Maybe watch some Frank Medrano videos for inspiration :D

[@FathomlessJoy]

Plant-based = Consistently named as one of the healthiest diets by dietitians and cardiologist.

[@iindierokkers]

4:30 in what world has anybody ever claimed that veganism will make you immune to cancer? haha

[@OmegaMaliqay]

i really enjoy crowder's podcast, but people tend to lose 20 iq pointss when they speak about veganism

[@markford2227]

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[@presidenttogekiss635]

So, if lack of brain is important, can I eat bugs? Shrimp? Oyesters? Cause they are really not that smart. And you can cut a cockroach's head and it stays alive.

[@sophieblack114]

So disappointing from Crowder. I really like his criticism/commentry on politics. Again people commenting on areas that they havn't researched and don't know enough about. Total fail.

[@gonzaloromeo5892]

remember her,,,please,,in 20 years ..remember her...

[@eriknelson9490]

how do I go vegan? I like the idea so much, but I know it will incur harsh criticism. I don't feel the moral tug, though I wish I did. I am open to suggestion and recommendations

[@neilsmith5510]

It's great to hear that you're interested in being vegan! It's easier than you might think. Learn to cook some basic vegan meals and phase out the obvious stuff like cheese and replace with vegan alternatives if necessary. It's really easy to replace cow milk with a plant based alternative on your cereal, in your coffee, etc. Google is your friend when it comes to recipes but it might help to have a cookbook with vegan recipes. Most people, whatever their diet, eat the same meals week in week out so by the time you find around 7 meals you like, you're pretty much set. Don't forget to get your vitamin B12, be it in supplements or fortified foods. If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to respond to those.

[@meowzzar9583]

i'm trying to go vegetarian/vegan, but progress has to be gradual and slow. already dropped pig/pork products(never liked pork meat in the first place, haha) and slowly working on dropping other animal products. am gonna miss the meats i like once i drop them. it's gonna be really hard, being a picky eater, too :x

[@DylanLenn]

Go for the mock meats

[@oleksiy4618]

If you have to do it gradually, drop the chicken asap, because that's where the most suffering occurs, and where most individual animals are affected, per unit of meat obtained. There are lots of mock chicken alternatives that taste indistinguishable from the real thing.

[@kak10053]

Meowzzar I would suggest looking for Gardein "meats" and Beyond meat (or generic equivalent). These help tremendously when I started to transition. Only go as fast as you feel comfortable and don't get discouraged if you have a slip up. It took me over 2+ years to finally fully transition to veganism, so it's not a race. The one thing you can say for sure is you are making a difference, no matter how small you think it is.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Meowzzar I'm one of the pickiest eaters ever and never disappointed with my vegan diet. I don't miss any of that crap.

[@theplantbasedmangoinghisow5068]

I started off on mock meats and then slowly transitioned to beans.

[@1ncandescence]

Im getting mad. I must be wrong.

[@snshusat161]

there is no health issues in eating vegetables. infact it can prevent obesity. but the only issue is the taste. vegetables are not as tasty as meat.

[@eioclementi1355]

she's ridiculous ...I wouldn't wait my time looking at this person ..I glad I forgot her name the second the video ended

[@Brentan92]

I'm reading her "book" right now.. haha

[@johnthompson3462]

I am not a vegan. I like meat - but don't eat it on a constant basis. If my doctor told me I had become vegetarian or vegan I am sure I would be fine. This woman is a liar - no other word for it.If being vegan ruined her health she sure stuck with it long enough.If I eat something and it does not suite me I stop.

[@twe6465]

We are saying it's good to eat meat since our ancestors did it because our bodies through evolution have adapted to eating meat therefore meat diets are healthier than vegan. Also, the ppl starving in third world countries might as well be vegans since they don't eat meat. Meat has more calories which helps you to survive and protein for growth development these ppl are starving because they don't eat meat!

[@sordidknifeparty]

You mentioned a cognitive dissonance in meat-eaters wherein they love and care for some animals while simultaneously eating others. I don't believe there's any dissonance here. I'm capable of loving one set of humans and wanting to kill another set. I don't see why it should be any different with animals.

[@VaughnMalecki]

Aren't human just animals? Why do you hate humans so much? The Vegetarian Myth was a phenomenal book. You should read it.

[@djalltheway2500]

Does anyone know if the vegan atheist is a libertarian, it would make sense but I never have seen anything about it..

[@citacean-needed]

He is, I believe. I'm not sure, but his views seem to line up directly into the category.

[@djalltheway2500]

yeah you would think so, it would be cool to see him defend it in videos like this but understand why he wouldn't want to

[@dr.computer6609]

I'm ok with vegans, as long as they don't brag and act smug about it.

[@verlicht]

That girl is crey crey. So many stupid arguments!

[@paddydiddles4415]

What are the vegan ethics regarding pets, which consume a lot of meat products?

[@farmergiles6142]

Dogs can adapt to a WFPB diet. For cats go to veganoutreach.org/vegan-diets-cats/

[@poldercannabisolieteam2874]

Human is herbivore. You still have to eat all nutrients, though, whole plant food or not.

[@markdatton1348]

It sounds like she is just talking about her personal experiences, and through very unstable connections to veganism, needs something to blame it on, suspiciously close to "victim status" if you will.

[@markdatton1348]

Also, did you know that you actually have to cook most foods to eat them? Apparently it's unhealthy to eat leaves. Who knew?