Vegans think they don’t kill animals but they do

[@SimplyMavAgain]

"Death is a part of nature." Yeah so what's up with all the people complaining about 9/11 -No one, ever

[@TXRhody]

The average American: "FOUR AMERICANS DIED IN BENGHAZI!" and "If people are starving in Africa, then they should move where the food is. Now let's eat some steak."

[@Swunkish]

:D

[@PidgeonChair]

Mavka1997 I don't think you can compare 9/11 to natural causes of death, 9/11 was not natural at all.

[@SimplyMavAgain]

C.G. G So you can't, getting raised to then be slaughtered with a machete.

[@PidgeonChair]

Mavka1997 but we use their bodies for food, it's not particularly to torture them. we don't kill animals just to kill them, we kill them for food. just like some plants kill insects and animals to use their bodies for sustenance in order to survive. now in 9/11 that happened to retaliate, strike fear into the citizens of the U.S, and just to kill and hurt. multiple planes being hijacked and then crashed into two buildings to kill thousands just to make us fear them and torture citizens is not natural by any means.

[@dombower]

Like a life guard at a swimming pool deciding not to bother saving any drowning kids...because....there are people drowning out in some sea somewhere.

[@thaliademontserrat3195]

dombower perfect analogy! I'll use it

[@oongmalioong6164]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@roehrc]

Also, death is natural, so...

[@saphi20]

except you are a life guard, its your job to save them. Ô_o

[@NawiTheCore]

Stupid comparison. Human life and animal life are not the same. There's a reason no one arrest a lion for killing a gazelle.

[@ジョジョさま]

Why dont people realize that most crops are for livestock...

[@herpsenderpsen]

something about us humans not wanting to listen to facts because we're too comfortable with our bad habits.

[@Zixxiee]

pimpofdoom cognitive dissonance

[@Androbench]

Yeah but then if they switched it to just for vegans then all those deaths would still happen but for vegans

[@lisaa5860]

@Ser Jorah Mormont you would be chopping down and killing more trees then, wouldn't you?

[@nomnomgamer9882]

Because according to the FAO that is simply not true.

[@theveganape]

When he says 'I began studying nature', I interpret that to mean he went for a walk in the woods during which he found a way to justify bad habits that he didn't want to change.

[@usheffi]

The Vegan Ape I think he meant I began working for the meat industry, and getting big cheques...

[@anxez]

Biologist... He's a biologist. That's what he meant. Wut. Great job of reading silly bias ideas into a simple statement.

[@kjs4154]

+anxez No he's just the average meat eater with the same amateur excuses. All his arguments are bullshit!

[@FKBUSH1]

👍

[@KvltKvnt]

@@kjs4154 so your soy farms aren't destroying certain areas and also killing and pushing animals out of certain areas? Get fucking real my guy

[@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected]

Nomatter what we do humans will die Mic. It's pointless to do anything against it. *Stabs a person next to me*

[@corsicanlulu]

silly lol

[@piotrnowak8725]

It's not a good example. Stabbing a person requires some activity, sticking to your old habit doesn't. It's simple convenience issue.

[@magnetshowdotheywork]

Sylvanas Windrunner aye what's up Warchief!

[@user-qi9pi7lt3q]

I think I've finally met my soul mate

[@user-qi9pi7lt3q]

Fuck this was a year ago. Well goodbye Sylvanas windrunner

[@danielgantley6617]

it's like a fireman not bothering to save people from a burning building because they know they can't save evreyone

[@hynjus001]

Claudio logic: I used to be a firefighter but 9/11 happened so I've become an arsonist

[@alexanderweber603]

Didn't you know you'll save more people by letting the building burn down, because of the water you're using, someone is dying of thirst elsewhere? Also the CO2 emitted from the fire is helping plants to grow, thus helping against world hunger. (Being sarcastic - of course ;-) - But sadly, the CO2 argument is actually and seriously used by a quite popular political party here in Germany in their program to deny man-made climate change.)

[@ricardoguzman7483]

Alexander Weber HAHAHAHA

[@malinrobbins7779]

perfect analogy!

[@100kby35]

Brilliant

[@mkimask]

Arguing with anti-vegan "arguments" is like arguing with little children - you have to explain obvious and simple things. I mean eating crops is obviously more efficient than feeding crops to animals and then eating animals - it is just common sense - you don't need any statistics or some deep knowledge on the subject - it is just pure logic and common sense, yet you have to explain it.

[@rawfoodphilosophy7061]

Ya, mic the vegan crushed him! However, on a related topic, eating plants (although causing the least amount of death) still causes death of animals. How do vegans promote eating a high calorie diet? How are fat vegans ethicial? Wouldn't a calorie restricted 100% plant diet be the most ethical, while also extending a persons life by 10-20 years?

[@adamaj74]

"How do vegans promote eating a high calorie diet?" I don't know any vegans that promote eating more calories than you need. I don't eat any more calories than I did when I wasn't vegan, either. More carbs, but not more calories. But even if I did consume more calories, as long as I'm not gaining weight, it would be because that's what my body needed. "How are fat vegans ethical?" Rude choice of words and statement in general. Some people have issues with weight and have trouble maintaining a healthy bmi due to a lot of factors - some of which are out of their direct control - it has nothing to do with ethics. "Wouldn't a calorie restricted 100% plant diet be the most ethical, while also extending a persons life by 10-20 years?" What is your evidence that calorie restricting extends life by 20 years? And how would one do this while living a healthy, active life? You can't consume less calories than you need for an extended period of time without losing weight and/or being less active, and everyone can't just sit around in an attempt to reduce their caloric needs. I like to cycle for an hour a day and that requires a certain amount of calories. Anything less than what I need will cause me to lose weight/muscle mass and negatively impact my performance and health. Not exercising and being sedentary so I'll consume less calories isn't an option either as that isn't healthy. It's about doing the best you can without being obligated to hurt and deprive yourself of life, calories, activity, etc. Even if you restrict calories and become sedentary so you don't require as many calories, etc., you're still not perfect or ethical, and animals, life, will still die because of your existence. Someone can always point out a way for you to be better, more ethical, etc. But at what point do you stop depriving yourself? You could continue to the point of killing yourself and you still wouldn't be perfect. To me, common sense says to do the best you can while not hurting yourself. I draw the line at hurting myself, my physical and mental health and well-being. Overall, my choice to become vegan has made a positive impact on my life, animal lives, and the environment. I'll take it.

[@rawfoodphilosophy7061]

Look up calorie restriction, every single study done on mammals has extended their lives dramatically, some by a third, others by as much as 50%. I completely understand about doing the best you can and think vegans are the epitome of being an ethical person when it comes to animals. I'm just throwing out some observations while also trying to take the smugness and self righteousness out of some of the crazier vegans. I'm glad you enjoy cycling 1 hour a day. What do you think of the raw till 4 cult, with some cycling 4-5 hours a day, while consuming upwards of 4000 calories a day? Are they ethical? They are making a choice to kill double the amount of animals than that of a person eating 2000 calories.

[@adamaj74]

I'm not a part of rt4. And I would agree that cycling several hours more than you need to just for the sake of cycling does pose some questions. Is doing something you don't need to do, to an excessive level, unethical and anti-vegan when it means you must compensate for said activity by consuming more food, which in turn means more animal deaths/suffering? But maybe some people do need to cycle that much. Maybe it's their only form of transportation, and riding a bike everywhere you go would be a better option (for your health, the animals, the environment, etc.) than driving. So even though you may consume more food and contribute to slightly more animal suffering, overall that is still better than the negative effects of driving a car. It depends I guess. Some people just like to cycle, but is that worse than any other arbitrary hobby that someone else may have? I don't know. Is sitting in front of my computer or TV worse than riding a bike for the same amount of time, as far as the animals/environment go? I don't know. Just about any activity results in the deaths of animals or the destruction of the environment, etc. Using a computer, electricity, etc. requires energy and manufacturing facilities, etc., all of which contribute negatively to the environment and cause animal/wildlife deaths. You could just sit around, but being sedentary causes health problems that result in medical treatment that uses huge amounts of resources that cause environmental destruction and animal suffering, etc. There are an almost infinite number of variables and it's just about impossible to keep track of them all or to know exactly what their impact is. Maybe those people you mentioned that consume 4000 calories instead of 2000 would do something even worse if they didn't cycle. And I don't mean that in a bad way as far as a character judgement, etc., just that maybe cycling isn't as bad as driving around sight-seeing or going to an amusement park or watching KZbin videos, or whatever else they would be doing instead of cycling. Everything uses resources. Unless you're just sitting outside in silence you're more than likely doing something that contributes to the destruction of the environment and animal suffering. You're screwed no matter what you do. That's why I said to do the best you can with what you have in the situation you find yourself in.

[@rawfoodphilosophy7061]

adamaj agreed! There is no need to point the finger at any of those things you mentioned, including people who consume more calories. I'm focused on the big things such as factory farming and cutting it out completely. Plus, I'm also trying to minimize the crazy vegans from taking over the movement. We need some more intelligent, rational and emotionally stable people in the movement.

[@mykonosparadajiz]

"so I went back to being an omnivore" I would have judged him less had he simply confessed that he just wanted to eat meat again, but when people start coming up with all sorts of mental acrobatics to excuse their appetite, that's when I start getting frustrated.

[@adamaj74]

Agreed.

[@softcrab3361]

If he wants to eat meat let him who are you to judge what people can and cannot eat?

[@mrs6100]

Do you crave certain plants? Do you have a few favorite fruits that you crave? You are conflating emotion and desire with morality which is not very logical for your justification to judge someone. When you wake up one day free of desire and you do nothing to cause harm to others then you can justify your judgement of others.

[@zzz-zi8me]

Vegetarian has a reasonable explanation, and meat is not? ?Vegetarianism and carnivorism really not controversial?

[@julianaraneta5416]

Yep

[@VeganoVitor]

Man, I can't count the amount of people who shared this interview here in Brazil. I've written an answer to it showing everything that is wrong with it but some people simply refuse to acknowledge the facts I present. Activism can be frustrating sometimes... Thanks for this video, I'll use some of the arguments you presented next time someone shares this terrible interview on facebook.

[@snake698]

Could you please present the facts? It's hard to believe that facts are "refusable"

[@mattvalue2865]

@@snake698 He won't

[@sk8vegan]

"Hey guys I decided to be vegetarian then I realized that some animals still die unintentionally due to commercially farming; so i went back to a diet that INTENTIONALLY kills more animals and humans! Can't stop all the harm in the world, might as well do more!"

[@ellegodoi6833]

sk8vegan hahaha exactly what I was thinking.

[@LunnarisLP]

Y I decided to get a electro car, but then I learned that we put out co2 when producing electricity too, so now I bought my SUV back since I still harm environment with my e-car too h3h3h3.. And i bought some solar panels, but because they didn't work at night and I still needed electricity from fossuil fuels for my night light, I just destroyed them and bought a diesel electricity generator instead and now i leave all the lights and the tv and pc on at night, because even with solar panels I still need fossil fuel.. Next level logic.

[@madelinemoyni]

sk8vegan 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@OceanPancake]

Haha, sounds like every omnivore! "they die anyway!"

[@sasharie7483]

Mr. Fictions even if your omnivore you still destroying the environment .

[@Clockworkcityofpain]

Meat is a great part of Argentinian, Uruguayan and Chilean culture, so they tend to get very defensive whenever the topic is on the table. Meat is seen as the only way to bond with people. Families meet on the weekend for barbecues, our national holidays are centered around meat and rodeo, New Year's eve is more meat and alcohol. Chile has seen a huge increase in vegetarian and vegan restaurants, most supermarket carry meat alternatives and non-dairy products, activists are on the street every weekend spreading the word and at the same time, you see a huge increase in anti-vegan articles. From nutrient deficiency to how 'we're naïve' for thinking we're might change something, there's always someone trying to debunk the vegan diet. From my point of view, it's because it is working, and more people are transitioning so the industry feels threatened and invests more heavily in publicity campaigns. I guess we're slowly progressing, even when vegetarians and vegans are still a very small part of the population.

[@unapalomacualquiera]

Lo más "triste" es que hoy en día cualquier cosa es digna de celebrarse con un asado, lo que multiplica exponencialmente el consumo de carne. También está pasando lo que tú dices sobre las campañas publicitarias, no se si eres de Argentina, Chile o Uruguay, pero acá en Chile pasan a cada rato en la tele comerciales pro-huevo, de embutidos, que el asado, que la leche "natural" etc etc Ojalá algún día se recupere la tradición de comer porotos todos los días :)

[@Clockworkcityofpain]

A. A. Soy chilena (:. Créeme, ese comercial de 'que no te falte el huevo' y 'ponle jamón san jorge' me aparecen en todos lados. KZbin, tv, spotify, hasta hay un billboard (de esos letreros gigantes) sobre la municipalidad con súper cerdo. El año pasado viví unos meses en Uruguay y era lo mismo. Ni siquiera era necesario una celebración o un fin de semana, parrilladas cada dos días. A mí toda esta publicidad me hace pensar que de verdad tienen que estar empezando a darse cuenta de que el movimiento para dejar la carne está agarrando vuelo. Si hasta la Crianza está sacando productos veganos para subirse al tren. Y a pesar de que la gente hace más asados, también hay gente que se está educando y disminuye su consumo de carne (al menos de carnes rojas) hay que tener paciencia no más

[@Marite1688]

El movimiento vegetariano y vegano, por fin está tomando vuelo en Chile, me sorprendió el otro día el domino la fuente de soda, tenga la opción de poner champiñones y reemplazo.

[@Amateur_Pianist_472]

That's every culture

[@Clockworkcityofpain]

Amy Lorenzo yeah, every culture is relies heavily on food and meat is usually seeing as part of it. But, my friend, you have not seen meat-centered culture until you've lived/visited in one of the countries I named. Eating animals is something taken for granted in these countries. So much so, that one of the main economic activities in all of them is animal agriculture. Their meat exports are very important in the region, especially Uruguayan meat which is mainly grass-fed beef. In Chile and Argentina, the publicity campaigns for eggs, meat and dairy move billions of dollars. It's not only 'buy this brand' kind of thing. Public health money is destined to brainwash people with 'the health benefits of eating eggs' or 'milk does a body good.' Our governmental entities equivalent to the USDA have a majority of their sits occupied by the meat industry. Yes, every culture/country has a celebration centered around meat, but I'm not sure so many countries can get as ridiculous as this. It's actually quite pathetic.

[@MictheVegan]

This one gets a little dense with all of the quotes, so hang in there. Just glad to have so many of you that are also interested in dissecting these topics. If anyone has the time, it would be awesome to see this video translated into Spanish so vegans in Argentina can watch it. Thanks :)

[@marin4544]

Mic. the Vegan Hi, loved it. I'm Argentinian and this article piss me off, some friends had been sharing it i don't completely understand how they can believe that. My english isn't perfect but i think i can translate. How i have to do?

[@ricardoguzman7483]

Mic. the Vegan well chileans like me want to watch your videos too):

[@Clockworkcityofpain]

Mic. the Vegan I could maybe make subtitles for the video? I'm a native Spanish speaker and I have many friends who quote this guy as the reason they're omnivores

[@bastip97]

Mic. the Vegan Hey Mic could I translate your videos to german and Open a yt-channel there to push the vegan message. Of course I would benefit throu yt-atvertising and affiliate Marketing. Conntect me if you want to reach more German followers

[@MictheVegan]

Thanks Camila! Here is the link to the subtitle input where you can just type the words in: kzbin.info_video?ref=share&v=4gwAaMXbOnE

[@eekns]

Another failed vegetarian who goes to great lengths to justify their gluttony.

[@SeaShrimp]

Exactly, nice logic "Let me kill 100 rice plants so i dont have to kill 1 chicken" YAY they just killed 99 rice plants and saved 1 chicken...

[@maddison3177]

Omg shut up

[@antoinebeauchemin8054]

@@SeaShrimp how many plants your chicken need to be big as fuck?

[@indigenouseuropeanamerican5976]

don't forget 35millions of innocent animals are killed in a slow agony death just to grow vegatation to feed vegans where only 13million of live stick are killed as quickly as they can to try to make it as painless as possible just don't forget in america livestock farmers stuns the animal killing the nerves so they don't die in pain.

[@justarandomname1764]

Can't take it back can you, fucking murderers

[@EarthlingCarl]

This guy seems to be in serious denial.

[@FlyingCowRabbit]

Which guy?

[@EarthlingCarl]

FlyingCowRabbit The one who isn't Mic. the Vegan.

[@FlyingCowRabbit]

Earthling Carl True!

[@VeganismUnspun]

What hope have we got where an academic who has studied the environment and species conservation for decades has failed to research (or even think about with any degree of intelligence) such fundamental issues? (And yet is happy to talk about the subject at length with the media!) Utterly terrifying.

[@audiogarden21]

Claudio clearly only pays lip service to the concept of academia.

[@luboyanev]

$$$

[@albertoandrade9807]

Eh. Poultry and animal sciences exist in universities and you hardly ever hear about rogue vegans from them.. so... a single boffin is not unsurprisong

[@WhiteDraqon]

No vegans are claiming to be perfect, and no vegans are claiming that their very existence is not harmful to this planet (or at least any vegans that are, are deluded). All we're doing is offering a PRACTICAL solution for a very serious issue that is currently happening: the largest act of systematic violence in history, and its resulting havoc on the planet, and indeed on other humans. I don't have a practical solution to your argument about squirrel habitat being destroyed for my home. I don't have a practical solution to your argument that pieces of metal in the electronic devices I own were mined by slave children. And I don't have a practical solution to your argument that I pollute the air by using modern transport. But I DO have a practical solution for the lambs being slammed to death on concrete because they're not fit to produce wool. I DO have a practical solution for the dairy cows whose existence revolves around having their reproductive system violated and their babies snatched from them and stabbed to death. I DO have a practical solution for the ongoing deforestation of the Amazon, the lungs of the earth, in order to grow cattle feed. And I DO have a practical solution for the male chicks who are being shredded alive or suffocated to death in the egg industry. I've told you about it a thousand times before, and it's called VEGANISM. So I will continue to promote this practical solution to these issues, while awaiting your practical solutions to the issues of squirrel habitat being destroyed to build homes; slave children mining parts in our electronic devices; and pollutants being pumped into the air from using modern transport. And when you've got them, I will gladly jump on-board. Until then though, I think it's about time that you jump on-board with the practical solution I've offered to the issues I've raised. "Veganism isn't the best we can do, it's the least we can do."

[@thisnotthat6326]

^^^^ this.

[@StrickenWithFear]

WhiteDraqon That was a very beautiful message.

[@WhiteDraqon]

StrickenWithFear Thank you.

[@slimjim1756]

WhiteDraqon This is the best comment ever

[@albino_panda1363]

Beautifully said. Thank you.

[@sofiatarruella4028]

Hi Mic! Im from Argentina and Im glad you made this video 👏 a fb friend of mine shared that article and i wanted to give it a good answer... now im going to share this video everywhere haha :) oh and your video was greaaaat (as always)

[@MictheVegan]

Yay! Yeah I have seen that this article has been sent to vegans a sort of, "HAH, you're wrong!" Which is somehow totally acceptable unlike when vegans share articles.

[@sofiatarruella4028]

Mic. the Vegan lol its sad but that's the truth...its unbelievable when people "agree" with articles like this just to prove vegans wrong...even though it may say nonsense (just like this article) ps: thanks for the answer 😊

[@VeganRevolution]

Marvel villain voice 10/10

[@MictheVegan]

Thanks. Lol as long as I don't try a British accent the world will keep turning ;)

[@tanisham2183]

lmao! Yup! That part cracked me up, too! X-D

[@Mr0Anonymous0]

hey, you!

[@VeganRevolution]

VeganRevolution will the real VR please stand up

[@Mr0Anonymous0]

VeganRevolution We're gonna have a problem here..

[@brettco20]

this video makes me sad. reminding myself how many species have gone extinct, the destruction of the environment, etc. on other news my mom's doctor actually recommended she go dairy free so maybe better trends among Healthcare? probably not

[@brettco20]

ps you're my top vegan informational youtuber and I love your videos. k thanks.

[@Deeker]

Been watching these videos. I have to commend mic. I love the approach of bait and switch video titles to try to get closed minded people to learn.

[@rebekkiej]

You are my favourite vegan channel on youtube by a long shot. I wish more people would watch your stuff.

[@jhzbdbs]

The only valid argument one can make against veganism is "I like meat and want to continue eating it". Everything else is pure apologetics

[@thisnotthat6326]

Yep...the 'ole 'I don't give a fuck.' But, I am guessing there is actually very few peeps who truly and utterly don't give a fuck about anything at all.

[@DrsJacksonn]

Can't blame them. My main argument in favor of abortion is 'I don't give a fucking fuck about unborn kids, I don't care how many of them get shredded to bits and thrown in a bucket'. Sure, it makes me an asshole, but who cares?

[@arghydoodles1921]

My best arguments for pro abortion are as follows: It can fuck up the mother's life financially or otherwise, it could have been a rapist's baby and I don't think there is a consciousness as there is a very undeveloped brain in there. But that's another argument for another youtube video I'm sure.

[@Grande-Dame]

@DannyO B12 can be found in fortified foods (which is the same way they do with meat... They fortify them with B12). Omega 3 are found in fatty vegetables as well.

[@RaieFutee]

Even this isn't valid, otherwise, with the same logic, we could excuse literally anything ("I love sex, so it's ok to rape people", "it makes me happy to mutilate dogs/children/cats, so I'll continue",...). Pleasure isn't a valid argument

[@TobiasBalk]

even though this is negative press, I love that people are starting to have a conversation about veganism in my country (Argentina). Recently there was a scandal about a celebrity couple that went trophy hunting in Africa and there was a great debate on national television with a vegan activist. The future is bright :D

[@taliamasino1198]

Thank you so much for this great video man your work is amazing!!!

[@Twistedhippy]

I love this channel!

[@poet.in.flight]

thanks for making this, I just saw this article on facebook and was in disbelief

[@christinam6663]

I'm annoyed that so many vegans (here on KZbin at least) think that just because they're vegan that's good enough and that they don't have to do anything else to try and improve their ecological impact - such as when they're confronted with the unsustainability of palm oil or almonds and they get ultra defensive and dismissive. Veganism is one of the easiest steps to make, but it's not the be all end all and we shouldn't let the vegan community become a, echo chamber community of just patting each other on the back and being lulled into a false state of contentment.

[@tanisham2183]

I agree that we shouldn't rest on our laurels just because we're vegans. I see veganism not as an end in itself but as a means to an end, and this is a point that I emphasize when speaking to others on the subject. We should hold each other accountable in the vegan community as much as we do with meat eaters.

[@unapalomacualquiera]

You are right, but don't assume every vegan eats palm oil or almonds, and not everybody is vegan because of sustainability. But like you said, we all can do better, starting for example, by stop buying stuff that ships from other continent, even from another country.

[@slimjim1756]

Christina M Palm oil has actually been strongly discouraged in the vegan community. I no longer purchase it and I know of many other well known vegans who don't.

[@GutsToCuts]

What’s wrong with almonds??

[@indigenouseuropeanamerican5976]

@@Examinedcat669 veganism isn't less death. when veganism cause for 35millions of animals to be killed by posions,toxins, chemicals that ends up killing 35millions if innocent animals in a slow agony painful death while the chemicals and posions leeks into our water ways killing and harming our marine animals as well. yet animal farms only kill 13million of animals to feed meat eaters. and animal farms actaully stuns the animal killing its nerves to it can be slaughter in a less painful way. and even tho 99% of live stock lived in green open grass feild living a happy life until it's time to send them to the slaughter housees. and most of those box in cages vegans likes to use as n excuse to hate on meat eaters are not actaul farms they are slaughter houses animals are not raised in those cages as vegans want people to believe, vegans can tell people about veganism if they like but people get fed up when vegans want to twist and cherry pick at facts to make it fit the vegan agenda.

[@lucianoformisano2274]

And just when my friends pointed out Claudio' s opinions, you post this reaserch.... no words other than Gracias, saludos desde Argentina :)

[@isa-rt2fb]

I'm an Argentinian vegan, yay

[@dontignorewatchme5851]

nice! i know argentina and meat is crazy. meat eating is basically a way of life for all

[@isa-rt2fb]

Mike Blaid Yes! Meat production here is crazy, I see trucks charging cows all the time. It's scary and super sad. And I can't find vegan alternatives in every supermarket, so it's kinda hard, but I don't plan on giving up!!

[@danilomarjanovic7967]

@@isa-rt2fb one question.Do you push your belifes around saying that it's better or do you just live queitly with it?Either way i have respect for you especially beacuse you are doing something opposite of the normal majority of the population sees as normal.

[@Waveste]

WHO TF ASKED OR CARED NO ONE GIVES A SHIT

[@pinktacokillah5287]

Nobody asked

[@rebeccamardon3511]

Thank you so much for making this video! i have seen this article everywhere and now can just link people this perfect response video. You rock!

[@aprilbl00m]

I read this article a few days ago and noticed how often Bertonatti avoided answering the tough questions. When confronted with the facts he kept changing the subject or giving a vague, dismissive answer to avoid admitting that his views were scientifically unsound.

[@madhug2712]

Haha the elephants leg part had me crying 😂 awesome video by the way!

[@VeganFootsoldier]

great video. I might remix you brah

[@MictheVegan]

Do it.

[@VeganFootsoldier]

Mic. the Vegan 😎

[@sophieee9907]

I am 14 years old and a vegan... i honestly respect you so much

[@nutica102]

I love u mic .. I am sorry u have to go through all this stupid articles in order to stop spreading wrong information about veganism and anything related to it !

[@anamarielasanchezdiazlimon3222]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. People have sent me that article and posted it on Facebook, even my best friend (who knows I recently went vegan) sent me this and I tried to explain the points you just made. You could not have put it better. I was waiting for this, I even wanted to suggest this to you. I love your videos!

[@Puudify]

And how much money did Claudio receive for doing this interview for the meat industry?

[@lilybean3533]

I'm so happy to have come across your channel. you break things down in a really understand format. I think if meat eaters really understood all the statistic, they would cut down on it. there's so many caring people who just simply don't understand the system and how possible it is to not contribute to it. you need more followers buddy. 👍

[@rachelAO]

He clearly hasn't seen the dustbowl of the Australian interior, it's really been enriched by livestock rearing (i am being sarcastic)..

[@pintsizedlife]

Thank you so much for making a video on this article. I've seen it going around on social media...

[@SMABEM]

Hey Mic. Can you do a video about the rise of veganism? If we look at Google trends we see the search term Vegan is really taking off (and it feels like in reality to). Could you talk about when we hit a "vegan tipping point". Thanks. Love your work!

[@MictheVegan]

Great suggestion, I briefly cover this in my video "The Hardest Part About Being Vegan," but like many subtopics, it deserves its own video. Thanks.

[@queenofeternity1418]

Matt Bryan Great idea! 👍

[@kyriep9711]

Mic. the Vegan Exactly why I requested a video on how meat-eaters insist on calling veganism a fad because it's becoming rapidly more popular.

I live in a meat country, Argentina. Meat is fed to us since the day we can chew. We grow, live and die surrounded by so many tipes of meat and their procesed forms. But that is changing, I became vegan recently and so have a few of my friends, we are finding more and more vegan products in the market aisles, more vegan shops even in a small city like mine. It gives me hope to see this slow but steady pace vegan culture is taking. Thanks Mic, your videos are always interesting and full of reliable information.

[@thaliademontserrat3195]

Thanks! when this article came, I thought it has some sense and that veganism was not a perfect solution so it was missing the whole picture. Then I began to be REALLY interested in what veganism is about and I completely understood that this article was the hell opposite, this article is and this kind of thinking IS what misses the whole picture and it's just a stupid justification for keep doing what were always have and that's not the best solution! by the way, I always hate when people try to say "Oh, veganism is just a fashion trend with no future, only for snob people".

[@Swunkish]

Thalía de Montserrat Forcada Heras

[@oliviahiba8727]

Thank you!!!!! that article has bothered me for so long now

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

TRUTH BOMB CITY!!

[@Oban2006]

Joey Carbstrong FALSE HOOD CITY

[@nathaniel8083]

Hello! I watched almost all your vids!

[@bonchidude]

Hi, how goes? You are 1000% right!

[@bonchidude]

Shadow, it is the truth. TRUTH BOMB CITY. Just because you say it is false does not make it so. Get evidence, but you will not find any that backs up your thesis. You are yet another paid shill trolling the internet.

[@joelhuston9430]

Joey Carbstrong Educate yourself.

[@PaladinMthe13th]

Thank you for putting in so much effort to provide cited sources to back up all of your responses to other people's claims. I really enjoy your videos!

[@Anazenze]

Man, you're just too good!

[@sacha5985]

Ashleigh too good at beind bad!

[@tamcon72]

Bertonatti's article is part of the growing and alarming "grasslands restoration through animal agriculture" movement that has started to take off in Argentina and which has a great deal of money behind it. The studies on the ecological impact of animal management to restore grasslands/reduce emissions has increased in just the half year since I first started to look into it, and the results tend toward favorability. Of course, they exclude from analysis lots of data, just as Bertonatti does. I had no idea it would become this titanic a counter-argument to veganism. The industries are truly frightened of what vegan food science is coming up with, and of the growing incidence of veganism worldwide. Thanks for posting this, Mic.

[@bqfilms]

Really not proud of the argentinian tradition of eating meat, but some of us, myself included are changing this crappy lifestyle.

[@vehavic5467]

awesome ! 😊😊😊 came across that article and thought it was crap. Kudos on clarifying it with this video, before more damage is done !

[@walterbyrd8380]

Maybe somebody should translate this into Spanish, for the benefit of the Argentinians?

[@h3ct0rgr]

I am thinking there is an argentinian KZbinr who literally copy cats everything from Mic The Vegan, Happy Healthy Vegan and Vegan Gains.

[@elveganocordobes6708]

Who might that be?

[@h3ct0rgr]

El Vegano Cordobes Nobody said it was a bad thing :p

[@elveganocordobes6708]

Hector Gomez JAJAJJAA "copy cats" you make me sound like a serial killer

[@SusanPerreault]

You're awesome Mic. I appreciate all the references you cite to support your statements.

[@marianomontiel]

Being an Argentinian i can confirm most of the facts you said. Here the consumtion of meat is incredibly high and so is the production of soy. I´ve traveled around most of the country and saw the deforestation aswell. And sencerely it doesnt surprise me that there is some "naturalist" that made those claims as there have been some cases in which even those naturalists hunted the animals they were suposed to protect. To much corruption around here aswell

[@belive-cb8jp]

Thanks Mariano Montiel. post their names and any other evidence. One by one we expose the kakistocracy parasites...

[@dusk2383]

Why can’t people just agree that some people don’t like to eat meat and others do. It doesn’t matter to you because you aren’t them. Just leave people to do the things they want

[@dusk2383]

J C How does that make me think like a slave owner?

[@dusk2383]

J C and are you comparing slaves to animals? Two completely different things

[@osdahcas]

Because people like to force their religion (cough) ideology onto others \o/

[@xMiyazakiAkira]

It's obvious that the guy youre talking about in this video is getting paid off to say this stuff

[@ajd0101]

You dumbbb

[@matthewanderson7449]

Thanks for all your videos dude!

[@mathildaflower2388]

1. There is intentional death involved in veganism because there is knowledgeable death when mass crops are cut down 2. Why does a cows life have more value than a moths life? We should ask ourselves here what value of life means to animals, and if this is the same across the board of animals 3. Value of life for all animals relates more than anything to the level that we understand and experience life. Humans have an incomparable and vast expansion of consciousness that allows us to think deeply about these issues with compassion, humility and logic. Although value of life is not based on intelligence, we need to understand that our experiences appear to be much more sculpted and in depth than an animals experiences and therefore the suffering of slaughtering may be relative, perhaps even better (with good quality care and rearing) than a natural, slow and/or painful death of disease or sickness. 4. Eating meat does NOT make the meat industry correct, good, ethical or ok. I would rather be vegan than be responsible for the bloodshed that the meat industry holds on their hands. The cheap animal products have allowed so much unesesary harm towards animals and we as humans consume too much meat as food, that is cause for alarming concern. The solution is to appreciate the little meat that we NEED in our diet for appropriate nutrition, become closer to nature and understand that we are all animals. We kill eachother, literally. Doesn't make it right, but it's simply life. Synergy in nature, as stupid as it may sound. We kill ants every time we step outside! 5. This is the real truth. Over-population is the real issue! P.s. plants are alive

[@vrinnmetagen]

Vegans are just too preachy, ive heard far too many claim that they want the world to become vegan with out any acknowledgment to the fact that if that happened all if not most domestic species would be forced into extinction by such an event. domestic animals have no natural habitat anymore so the responsible vegan world would by their own ideals "genocide" those species just like they claim the meat industry does. it is the peak of hypocrisy.

[@ciruelo5921]

Not all domestic animals are fed with crops. There is a responsible way of consume meat that it's optimal for the environment.

[@alinespak4097]

THANK YOU! Seriously, I've read this interview the day it was published, and these were exacltly my thoughts when reading it. I was (sadly) laughing while a lot of meat eaters were using this contradictory and dumb quotes to justify their behavior (as they always do). Now, on tops of my own arguments, I have this great video to show them. (Sorry if I wrote something wrong, english is not my mother language)

[@Wordtoons]

Thanks Mic. Love your vidoes and how well you break things down and provide sources.

[@HarbingerBK]

I'd still love a diet debunked for the ketogenic diet specifically! I know it's kind of a paleo subset, but just to specifically scientifically smash it to smithereens like you so aptly do :) Thanks for all you do!

[@kyriep9711]

Rebecca Marchand-Smith Yes! Waiting excitedly for that one!

[@jemdjelal4459]

“Yes please feed my cognitive dissonance” 😂

[@indigenouseuropeanamerican5976]

mic the vegan is not able to destory a carnivor or a ketogenic diet with out cherry picking and twisting the facts. but again mic the vegan seems to be good at cherry picking at facts znd twisting it to fit his ignorant agenda. as i seen actaul ketogenic and carnivores has done a mri testing and bloodtest and they all came back healthy.

[@jeabou_]

Hope Claudio sees this! Great video as always, Mic!

[@alecandroid1656]

Organic food may cause less harm per acre, but it also produces less food per acre, so I'm not convinced it's better for the environment. Otherwise a good video.

[@princefancybum4605]

But as stated in the video, if we were all vegan we would need a fraction of the crops so more land could be dedicated to a less intensive system; all while still using less land than at present

[@alecandroid1656]

Prince Fancybum OK... but in the video he said organic food is much better for the environment. A more intensive system that uses less land would likely be better for the environment.

[@princefancybum4605]

Alec Android but pesticides and other such shit that goes into non-organic crops are extremely damaging to wildlife and the environment

[@alecandroid1656]

Prince Fancybum "extremely damaging" How do you measure the damage done by pesticides and compare it to the extreme damage of using more land and producing food in a much less efficient way?

[@belive-cb8jp]

Alec Android, do you have cognitive dissonance or wilful ignorance? Or are you obfuscating with an anti-live agenda? Recall humans can use LESS land without meat, dairy and eggs and still produce enough food with organic farming. And that without using all the symbiotic techniques that can increase organic production MANY fold. Don't try to be smart when you are a stupid carnist. We sense you kakistocracy merde from great distance. Just say'n

[@clubedoscachorreiros7420]

You are amazing! Big fan here! Thanks so much for this, please keep it up!

[@1Ophelia18]

Brilliant video as always! thank you

[@Yogisara]

Well, done, Mic. Another great video. Thank you for being a voice of reason.

[@balderdashery1]

Another great video! Thank you!

[@flowers2312]

you are awesome thank you for this video Mic!!

[@vivekkedia5627]

You my friend, are da boss. Just felt that needed voicing.

[@verdantis9960]

I so hoped you were gonna 'debunk' his ridiculous article. Glad I woke up to this. Nice work as always. :D

[@purplelayne6069]

I have commented on a post on vegan aminos to someone saying the same thing about veganism being pointless. However she was basing her argument on an article about thailand monkeys enslaved to pick coconuts, and she included organic foods and palm oil. Her point was that we [vegans] should not critic others' diets when ours involves animal cruelty and death also; she was talking about a post that vegetarians should be vegan or whatever. And that being vegetarian or reducing meat consumption was just as good as being vegan. First, I do agree that any step away from the use of animal products is a good one. I love ro see the lightbulb go off, even if it is for something small My hope is that will trigger a path towars veganism, or at least more reduction in exploitation of animals. My point to her was...why are vegans, a very small population, being blamed for things that meat eaters and vegetarians, a much larger population, eating also...along with the animal products. What are your thoughts on this similar subject?

[@bonchidude]

Purple, I do not buy coconuts or such from Asia. They do not do this in South America as far as I know and we must make those of the coconut industry that enslave sentient beings to stop or boycott them. As far as palm oil I do not buy it at all or in any products. One time this month I was forced to consume a milk ingredient but when I found out I had the bank pull the money and investigate this. If I get my money back, great. if not then I tried and made a MUCH wider point. To say it is not OK to deceive or try to slide something under my awareness. Label if the product is VEGAN or NOT in the FRONT of the package, not tiny letters on the rear of the package.

[@ShadowyKatz]

Honestly, I think it's more for vegans that are super self-righteous, and think that they are better than other people. So non-vegan/vegetarians get angry about it, and get self-righteous back. No one should get "holier than thou" about it, because neither lifestyles are cruelty free, they just concentrate their cruelty in different places.

[@bonchidude]

Olivia, so what would you save to those who wanted to enslave others back 150 plus years ago? You would not say, oh it is their choice to oppress others. This is the fight we have today. Sentient Being rights is the issue today as slavery was back 150 plus years ago. You cannot say, oh it is their choice to oppress, mistreat and murder sentient beings because they feel like it.

[@ShadowyKatz]

bonchidude And there's the self-righteousness.

[@yourearidiculouslunatic8435]

Olivia Rosario < well played

[@ClaireMadelyne]

truly appreciate how you use solely educated experiments and scholarly articles to fight for veganism, can't fight the facts!! love pulling some of these figures and articles to help educate family/friends, cheers x

[@edgyfox322]

I eat Animals because they taste good!

[@indigenouseuropeanamerican5976]

i eat animals for my healthy.

[@farodin31]

Im really happy to see that your channel is growing :-) keep on going! have a nice day!

[@aaronverran1360]

whats the fallacy that people use when they argue your position isnt perfect? thats his excuse

[@elveganocordobes6708]

no true scotsman? maybe

[@aaronverran1360]

Well maybe that one as well, but theres another one that explains someone may try to deny your position because the results of it aren't perfect i may respond later

[@tanisham2183]

I believe you're referring to the Nirvana Fallacy: (also known as: perfect solution fallacy, perfectionist fallacy) Description: Comparing a realistic solution with an idealized one, and dismissing or even discounting the realistic solution as a result of comparing to a “perfect world” or impossible standard. Ignoring the fact that improvements are often good enough reason.

[@aaronverran1360]

Ah yes! I should make a list to refer to even the uncommonly used ones

[@jeffj318]

Always able to debunk. Good work.

[@angryvegan5699]

I think Claudio Bertonatti has mad cow disease

[@AntiUplineUnicorn8254]

Great video! Proving points once again

[@m.m.schill4579]

Sounds like he's just justifying a bad habit. It's not sound logic in his article--but it makes him feel better about eating meat. I take the article as a human study, more than anything. It is a good example of the process people undertake to support their positions when they know they are in the wrong. It almost always becomes an appeal to emotion. It makes him "feel" like he's not hurting as many animals, it no longer matters if that's fact, it's about how it is sitting with him.

[@ajd0101]

Its a fact vegans kills more animals for their food. But vegans/vegan farms just aren't as big as the meat industry

[@lizakushnir]

thanks so much for this video!

[@edms3656]

Look at your phones and computers, your cars and your health products, look at your house. everything has animal products. Not everything can be reproduced synthetically to replace the use of bone, marrow, fat, and other essential ingredients to make the plastics, connectors, paints, and varnishes on everyday products. So regardless of what you eat, you are still paying someone to kill an animal and have its body parts used in our everyday products. Imagine the amount of carcasses that would be left over as a by product of the manufacturing process of general goods such as phones and televisions. in a way we meat eaters are cleaning up the left overs. And before you say we can replace all plastics with hemp based plastics, i assure you that it can not. Bone marrow and other fats from a cow or pig or fish are needed.

[@mizfeng1442]

I'd like to know how my house, car. phone, paint, plastic, computer, etc etc contains animal products. I'm pretty sure that your phone doesn't contain any bone marrow. Do you even know what you're saying? It's embarrassing.

[@MrThoss1]

How the hell are there animals products in my house, phone and computer buddy ? Bone, marrow and fat, really ?

[@edms3656]

MillySee look at the Information on what's is used to make plastic

[@edms3656]

MrThoss1 look at the ingredients for plastic and paints.

[@mizfeng1442]

'Plastic is derived from organic substances including crude oil, salt, cellulose, coal and natural gas. Crude oil, one of the main ingredients of plastic, is a complex compound that must be broken down into fractions (mixtures of compounds made up of carbon and hydrogen) in order to be used effectively.' I'd like to know where you're getting your sources from. There is no animal products in paint, plastic or computers. They would be deemed unsuitable for vegetarians if they were.

[@fruitfulliving8242]

I appreciate that your videos are so well researched! Thank you!

[@HonkTheMusic]

You make me love being vegan more than I already do. ❤️

[@Kat-xn2xg]

You're videos are always so interesting

[@Kachok80]

Not all omnivores eat livestock, I don't, so I have less of an impact on deforestation and soy farming then vegans do :) I love how Mic only presents one highly bias point of view while completely disregarding the other side, makes picking his arguments to pieces so much easier. Not an objective analysis hence not really a valid argument. The greenhouse gas argument from cattle has been debunked so many times I almost hate to bring it up again, but rest assured that all educated people who actually know the carbon cycle know that you are spouting BS.

[@thalassafischer5211]

Enigma Cipher I'm actually educated, and I can tell you the cattle/livestock impact on both deforestation and global warming is text book accurate. It has never been "debunked" in fact it is the most current science. Watching Penn and Teller's Bullshit or Fox news does not qualify you as "educated."

[@joaoanjo]

You Sir just gained a subscription! Amazing debunking!

[@bongwater5756]

One big tu quoque fallacy

[@danieldsouza2812]

THE POPE And an appeal to futility fallacy, potentially....

[@tanisham2183]

I was unfamiliar with this fallacy until you pointed it out. Thanks! :) Learned something new today. I think you nailed it with this one.

[@madisonsscar]

just discovered your channel. love it, thanks for the video :)

[@leonardodavinci7425]

Woohoo I'm first to like and to comment! This Claudio dude most definitely has some conflict of interest going on!

[@psicopotato2762]

Gracias por los subtítulos 🙂

[@eatfoodnotanimals861]

It must be recognised that carnists by far are not very intellgent people. The food itself makes one less intellegent. After eating human foods for a while one can recover, but while eating animal food there is only so much that a human mind is able to achieve. Whatever can be achieved while eating animal food is much less than can be achieved while eating human food. This means the more intellgent carnists would be geniuses if they were not suppressing thier abilities by eating like lower animals. I am sure most of you have noticed how your mental abilities increased when you made the change to real human food, especially if one eats whole foods. If one eats like an animal, one can only achieve what is possible by eating components that are used to construct a carnistic animal. Ironically carnists talk about lions often, and they are unable to achieve mental abilities above that of lions because they are eating like one. We must consume components nessasery to build a human brain and body if we wish to obtain the full human potential.

[@chronicxswagger]

Im never going to be a vegan. Not until my health says so. I couldnt

[@bongodave13]

Carnists aren't very aware, and thus aren't good with logic.

[@MsGanoo]

Great video! 👍🏼

[@candieart2650]

Can't believe this article still circling around social media, nvm, now I have your clip to link back in the comment...

[@maumiceli]

Great video, Mic. I'm from Argentina. We Spanish speakers have been dealing with people sharing Claudio's articles for quite a while already, specially here of course. I'm disgusted that playground decided to translate his words into English knowing how fallacious they were, but I'm glad it's an excuse to clarify all this. Love and best wishes, bro :)

[@dmitrijordao7777]

AWESOME video. This should have more views

[@hispringtime]

Everyone needs to watch your videos!

[@abstractathletics]

Great work!

[@BigRedBieker]

Yo you got a lot of really good facts and I actually really enjoyed this video and agree with most of it. Living out in the Sticks I can confirm that the deaths that happened in fields are a thousand times worse than what would happen in a slaughterhouse. Farmers shoot pretty much every animal that enters the field because they know they're going to eat some of the crops. Use pesticides to kill all the little animals and bugs that are too small to shoot. And when the combines come through and there are baby deer, it is not pretty. All that doesn't really happen nearly as much with animal crops though because animals are more satisfied with shity food.