VF6: Can We Make This the Best Fighting Game Community Ever?

[@TrickyEileen]

Be kind be nice, welcome the new players and show them the way. And don't prevent new content to help everyone out please be better. We have a mountain to climb

[@M-SimRacing-01]

Bonjour VF Team, I HOPE this GAMEPLAY : Hello VF enthusiasts! So, what about this "CRAZY" trailer? Unprecedented fluidity, never-before-seen combinations, "limited" combos that are practically infinite, starting from any hit and able to connect with all others - that's what I'm hoping for.

[@tempest6439]

As a DOA (and now TEKKEN-) refugee the VF community has been extremely welcoming on twitter, twitch and youtube. Here's to hoping the negativity dies out ✌️

[@loicchampeau5375]

When you say refugee, it is because you stopped playing those games? Or because you "quit" these communities in a way ?

[@TrickyEileen]

@@loicchampeau5375doa kinda isn’t active anymore as a game dev side. DOA and VF share a lot of mechanic fundamentals

[@loicchampeau5375]

@@TrickyEileen yeah, I knew that. I think I unintentionally targeted my question towards the Tekken part. I tried DOA a long time ago and I might try it again because in terms of 2.5D fighters, I only have Tekken experience (and I'll probably try VF too) so I take a look at the different philosophies.

[@burni988]

​@@loicchampeau5375 I'd guess it's that they don't like the direction of T8 if I were to throw my two cents in.

[@loicchampeau5375]

@@burni988 Well, as much as I love T8 after starting my Tekken journey with 7, I can understand this isn't what they would like to see in a Tekken game. And I'm even more glad that they decided to search for something else instead of putting 10 000 hours on the game and shitting on it at the same time.

[@Terry_Irvin]

THE MOMENT YOU STARTED GOING IN ABOUT HOW TO WIN EVENTS I WAS LIKE THERE'S MY GOAT

[@TrickyEileen]

ABW always be winning

[@tonyaldante1017]

Not a lot of communities get the opportunity to get ahead of a lot of attention, wouldn’t be surprised to see sajam hop on revo and others to follow, always a challenge to keep a helpful and pleasant community without being insular, will be sticking around

[@TrickyEileen]

@@tonyaldante1017 I’m counting on it

[@IAmEnormous]

Glad you spoke on the fact that we are all, collectively, standing on the shoulders of giants with fighting games. I think that's why the FGC is so strong despite being so niche, the genre being so opaque with its core mechanics means you can't intuit how they work on your own, so you _need_ someone else to help you. Also, the gatekeep-y knowledge hoarding that oldheads did is so funny in retrospect. Like, yeah, in the arcade era there's a financial incentive, but in the console era? Where you're just fucking around at your local? Like, oh yeah, you really need that $24 prize pool and refusing to help anyone is the only way you can get it 😂 I'm glad those types are mostly gone now.

[@TrickyEileen]

Pride is a hell of a drug I tell you what

[@rensten4893]

I have to insist that gatekeeping is a behavior and not a tactic. The people doing it never have skills themselves and this is a prime example of it. Here's hoping that this is an example of growing pain in the community and everyone learns from it. I've seen the same thing with Tekken but everyone hates playing Tekken unless they're playing your character then you hate it too. 😅

[@TrickyEileen]

@@rensten4893 we in better position now than in the past. So many positive people in the scene now so it’ll be easier to keep the people who just want to be dicks quarantined

[@turdburglar5862]

Big fan of your content, tricky. Keep carrying the torch and setting the example on how to act like a decent human being for the VF community.

[@TrickyEileen]

Ty ty

[@MoluskToeCheese]

This makes me sad 😢 But i know we can rise above this! ❤ Im so glad youre still doing VF. I stumbled across an old VF forum post, looking for an explanation for Nitaku. And lo and behold, who do i find there? Its Tricky! VF forever! 🎉

[@TrickyEileen]

I'm happy to be part of this community with you all. VF forever.

[@Gilbot9000]

Joined the reddit. Hope we can clean it up in there and make it good

[@TrickyEileen]

@@Gilbot9000 thank you for your service

[@ClayvionWhite]

If only tekken and sf players were as kind as vf players, huh

[@TrickyEileen]

@@ClayvionWhite I met some great nice folks in both

[@gekinetic]

Toxicity in FGC is a very complicated issue compared to other game genres

[@TrickyEileen]

@@gekinetic care to elaborate?

[@gekinetic]

@@TrickyEileen Couple factors involved IMO: First on new player aspect - It would be how League and COD don't need community-based onboarding like fighting games do. So even though toxicity do exist in LOL/COD community, most people don't need to worry about it because they can play by themselves and still manage to have fun. After all, everyone understands LMB, E, Q, etc. Not so much for fighting games, where having different unique terminologies (QCF LP, DF1, 3P, etc) means people have to dig deeper to play fighting games at bare minimum casual level. They get their dumpty whupped, and at that point either they stop and go for more accessible games to play, or jump into community discord/reddit to try and find answers. Which leads to community aspect, where a lot of people are hypocrites who keep sayin 'let go of your ego', but they keep their own egos unchecked. A lot of these people put themselves up in their own pedestal just because they know how to flick stick and mash buttons better than 90% of populace. This in turn leads to terrible onboarding because they find people who can't understand what they're teaching (their fault for thinking how they learned FG is one-size-fits-all) to be lazy and egotistical. Of course people will become frustrated at losing and not understanding why they lost, how does that translate to 'egotistical'? Same people who keep saying 'learn at your own pace' don't seem to follow up on it and lose their patience, which leads to perception of FGC being toxic So that's how I feel about FGC toxicity: it's a mix of genre's unique complexity leading people into a gamble whether they enter community with proper onboarding capability or not, and some people already in the community oblivious of their own toxicity and write off backlash as 'casual ignorance' when they were the ones unable to adapt and adjust their teaching method

[@TerraFuu]

I feel so bad for Blackstar. I didn't know much back then, but I'd watch him play on 360 just for fun. Didn't know he went through that.

[@YellowFellow86]

Thank you for what you do. The community needs more positive voices and outreach if we want VF and I would argue other 3d fighters to be successful 🙇‍♂️

[@TrickyEileen]

Ty ty for being here too

[@Akai_VF]

I have come to realize and accept that even for a small VF community, it is made up of niches within a niche. Nothing wrong with that and with how the internet is currently there are many avenues for all different niches (social media sites, twitch, unofficial VF Discord, official VF Discord, and even VFDC!). There will always be people you get along with and those you don't and that is fine! As veterans of VF who want to see the overall community grow. I suggest to those vets, if you happened to watch or read something related to VF that is incorrect or can be expanded on, politely let that creator know. Not one single person has influence over the "entire community". So the more the merrier!

[@TrickyEileen]

It is a very different community than it used to be but for the better

[@thealgerian3285]

11:20 ngl, that sneeze of yours is hilarious.

[@AyeTmoney]

I’m so thankful for you specifically and creators like you. The on-ramp for the entire FGC needs a serious overhaul. you playing your part in that overhaul is invaluable. The FGC needed this video! Keep going, I’ll be making my content helping low level and new SF5/6 players find their way thru the FGC so just know you and this video are the reason why I’m inspired to do this! THANK YOU!🫡

[@TrickyEileen]

Omg 😱 I had no idea how important saying what I did was. Wow ty and can’t wait to watch

[@Itsallover57]

Interesting to me how people say reddit is extremely "toxic" when I feel it is velvet kid gloves. You seem like a pretty smart person. Its easy to run circles around a redditor. Maybe you just like to keep your fighting in vf

[@TrickyEileen]

Yes

[@dominiquemalveaux7917]

It's all a balance, you're going to those who are genuine, kind, and willing to give you advice, and you are going to have those that are ether A. Elitist B. Narcissistic or C. Trolls. That doesn't give 2 shits if you're new, amateur, or pro. That is, unfortunately, the laws of the jungle in the fighting community. It's a balance.

[@04RebellionDark]

I think any community has the potential to be both good and bad. It all comes down to curation and the behaviors that are tolerated and encouraged. I generally believe that any space can be welcoming and enjoyable, no matter the negative connotations or associations it might traditionally carry. For example, dismissing someone’s perspective with comments like, 'Oh, you got that opinion from Twitter/4chan/Reddit/Discord/ResetEra? Of course, it's dumb!' is unfairly stereotyping an entire platform without giving it a chance. Just as your algorithm or news feed can be tailored to your interests and niche, communities can thrive with proper curation and moderation, whether it's a subreddit, Discord server, or online forum. Labeling an entire platform as bad does more harm than good. It's more productive to focus on improving specific aspects of a community rather than writing off its members wholesale. What happened here might feel like a setback, but I see it as a necessary learning experience-one that can ultimately help pave the way for a better future for Virtua Fighter, both for newcomers and long-time fans. In this new era of the FGC, where grassroots efforts are becoming less common and online communities are the norm, it’s important to build constructive spaces that unite players. If SEGA is looking forward to the future, we should do the same. (Also, 11:20 gesundheit!)

[@hooddizzle]

11:28 bless you

[@TrickyEileen]

I was HOPING someone would say that for me. Thank you

[@yungmaui4876]

I’m apart of a Facebook group for NZ/AUS Tekken players and my experience has been nothing but bliss but I haven’t even bothered looking at reddit yet😂

[@TrickyEileen]

Most haven’t. It why I know it’s mostly folks who ain’t playing saying out of pocket shit

[@Ishmaster2020]

Someone show this to James Chen next time he says FGC is the most welcoming community

[@TrickyEileen]

Just cuz we have problems doesn’t mean others don’t have it worse

[@ChaseTooCold]

I have a question for you, do you think everyone that’s in VF5 is going to be in VF6?

[@TrickyEileen]

@@ChaseTooCold nobody knows that. History tells us the answer is yes with maybe not taka.

[@Commonsens8]

We have to be kind and not troll new players. If they don’t think the scene is cool people will dip.

[@TrickyEileen]

@@Commonsens8 truth

[@LordHollow]

roof is the truth.

[@TrickyEileen]

Spitting

[@LordHollow]

Awesome video, Tricky.

[@TrickyEileen]

Thanks, appreciate it!

[@VDViktor]

Everyone's singing koombaya in the comments and its all nice and stuff, but imma inject some harsh reality. In Tekken, for example, many content creators are obvious shills and industry plants, that will fake hype up dlcs, complain about something at one point, then do a sudden 180 and start praising it, etc etc. That thing splits the community in half immediately. Hope its not gonna happen to VF.

[@TrickyEileen]

We been here over 20 years. We will be fine. No reality was provided and it’s not based in any data from the longstanding pre existing VF community.

[@ayyhermes5819]

This is going to be an interesting video lol

[@TrickyEileen]

How’d it go ?

[@ayyhermes5819]

@ It went very well actually..as someone who played VF casually when they were like 6-10 I cnt wait for more lvl 2 content so I can actually learn :)

[@jktwiceft]

Didn’t know Rooflemonger did all that shit for you. I know VSAV community don’t like him for stuff he made and he’s had beef with some parts of dbfz community, but if he’s doing all that then he’s okay. Biggest takeaway I had from this whole saga is that VF gotta stand up for itself and set the example on how to communicate these ideas to other folks who wanna get started. There’s a lot of good strong players coming up and their insight would be valuable. Reach out with a hand first rather than wait for them to speak to us.

[@TrickyEileen]

Dude has been so helpful behind the scenes. A lot of larger creators have been and continue to be. I don't talk about it cuz it feels gauche. I have heard some issues in those scenes too, and I dunno. Given my own experience with my own scene, there are surely people who hate him in my scene too for whatever random slight that was made to the wrong person inadvertently through some indirect comment. From what I've seen/heard regarding those community issues it doesn't make sense to me, but I"m not also going out of my way to dig into some super specific inside baseball (which was my read on what I had seen or had presented to me months ago). We have scenes with out and about Nat**is' who call themselves that word in the FGC. I think our ire is better focused on them.

[@jktwiceft]

@ “people with health issues” is Clayton. I think I should not have an opinion on their whole thing because they have been beefing for what seems like forever. Like 50 Cent and Ja Rule.

[@TrickyEileen]

@@jktwiceft ditto regarding not having an opinion on that whole thing. Shit I am polarizing for some people.

[@jktwiceft]

@ making sense of that drama is impossible. Not worth the energy.

[@NormsRespecter]

Gonna have to make as much distance between yourselves and the Sauds as possible. That Sega video really turned me off the game.

[@TrickyEileen]

Well I won’t need to try too hard lol.

[@MarioUcomics]

I love fighting games but other than doing tournaments, I really don’t engage with the community at all because of this attitude. I do feel it is much better than it was before where more people are reaching out. I feel it was a lot worse even 10 years ago.

[@TrickyEileen]

You are 💯 correct

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

100th like 😤

[@TrickyEileen]

@@ZzigZaG00NIN goat

[@LordHollow]

"Yes"