GOML 2023 GRAND FINALS - Mango (Falco) Vs. Zain (Marth) Smash Melee - SSBM

[@tdewtneros9519]

We all had that thought for a second that he could actually do it at the end

[@TheyCallMeLord]

Especially with the length of the video, I was 100% thinking it was game 5

[@gknoxathon]

Mang always find that way to make ur nuts to retract back into the stomach

[@supwithit]

He did it in Summit, 2 FD games back to back. I have hope.

[@KirkMillerShow]

he could have tho fr like he just fucked up it was totally possible

[@codetaku]

As a Zain fan who remembers summit 11, yes, I 100% had that thought. Unlike all the mang0 fans, I'm glad it didn't happen. Zain finished the most dominant run anyone's had since The Big House 8.

[@cedricrust9953]

"Mang0 with that face, like, 'God damnit.'" Sums it up perfectly. Fitting end to V-Tuber Mang0's first tournament. Hope this wasn't his final form yet. Also, Hbox destroyed Moky in quarters. I hope he gets back into the Melee grind and these two compete for titles again. One more HBox-Mang0 grand final, please?

[@NicolasMuñoz-p8g]

Everyone would love a mango vs hbox grand finals. Just like the old times

[@HarrisonWeber21]

@@NicolasMuñoz-p8gtruth!

[@Overcast_daKid]

Just wait for ssc calling it

[@PreacherJenkins]

The last stock was the most Mango stock ever

[@peashooter6628]

First set in a long time where mango actually put a bit more discipline in this matchup, hope he feels motivated to continue improving cause top 8 def feels off without any falcos there

[@originoa]

smash is dead without mango straight up i know thats a meme but it true

[@EtropolisGhost]

@@originoa I'd say it's still cool without him but he is the most entertaining and important player so I know what you mean. Definitely feels wrong when he's absent.

[@shinji136]

@@originoa Cope harder.

[@CanadianBaconPwnage]

Context for the clip starts at 1:09, but that decision to run away at 1:11 and wait for Zain to do something after realizing he probably couldn't extend the string was so big brained, and showed so much discipline. It's too bad he ran right back in for a punish (thankfully he recovered and capitalized regardless), but that moment made my heart skip a beat.

[@geraldson7501]

Good stuff to mango for taking a a game and making it closer than most people expected but zain was on a whole other level this tournament. This game one was the only game zain dropped this entire tourney which is insane. It is clear that he is not satisfied with how last year ended despite him being ranked 1 still and with Jmook getting 33rd he has a solid lead now in 1st. For mango it was a respectable 2nd place, especially considering how he was down 0-2 to moky in losers. We are already over halfway through the year and with how good zain is looking mango will need to level up if he hopes to beat zain and win a tournament. It may be a stretch but this could be the year no old god wins a major.

[@cedricrust9953]

I sure hope Mang0 finds the motivation for it. If he does, he can beat even Zain. He could haven clinched game 4 here and potentially reset the bracket, and this is Mang0 in his kinda half-assed "V-Tuber" form. As far as HBox, he played some really solid sets, and he DOMINATED Moky who otherwise was really impressive. I hope Juan dedicates more time to Melee again, even if only to "prevent" your scenario from happening.

[@Windraesa]

and you just know because of the type of person Zain is he was gutted he didn't get to play Cody, Amsa and Jmook on his way to number 1. as the commentators say, if you're not bringing your A game or above, Zain just destroys you. But it seems if he's playing his A+ game, no other player playing their A+ can compete either.

[@Supertaldo916]

I like that Leffen and Plup drop on by from time to time to wreck everyone. Yeah, they technically aren’t “the old gods” (even though at some point people really were saying Leffen was the sixth god), I sometimes think that the old guard has the edge over the new guard.

[@Chugdollar]

@@cedricrust9953 new mango fan spotted

[@codetaku]

@@Windraesa Well, imo mang0 showed his A+ game is on about the same level as Zain's A+ game. It's just, mang0's B game gets literally annihilated by Zain's B game, and he doesn't tend to be able to hold his A+ game that long.

[@natan5918]

Think about that : despite not winning a tournament before Tipped Off 14, Zain managed to end this first half of 2023 as the undisputed best player in the world. And he even got enough time this season to top 8 with Roy ! Definitely the new King of Smash and one of the sikest player to ever do it. GG Zain

[@panikk2]

every single Mang0/Zain finals is an instant classic with lots of saucy combos

[@ChrisVanished]

Gives me the M2K V Mang0 type of feeling.

[@koolmothafunker6027]

This set makes me want to watch melee again. Its truly amazing how mango is passing the test of time in this good shape.

[@Sapreme]

He literally gave up on LACS when he got knocked into losers and went Doc Mario, and then the next tournament he gets 2nd. Das the mang0.

[@taciprince7400]

@@Sapremedoc Lee took a game baby don’t forget

[@jonasosterley5653]

@@Sapreme He wasn't giving up. He's said on stream he backs his Doc against Hbox

[@Dytanious]

that last stock was the most beautiful melee from a falco just to get marthed at the end. ggs to both of these legends. Zain lowkey looking like he tryna be in the goat conversation.

[@peashooter6628]

If Zain is #1 again and continues to win majors this year, I think he definitely will solidify his spot as top 4 all time, but there's still a pretty big gap in terms of major/supermajor counts for each player. Zain has 9 while Armada has 29, which is the lowest of the top 3

[@ianm2757]

mang0 played like crazy, zain was just crazier. rare nerves from mang0, but I still rooted for him like hell in that last game, incredibly exciting ending

[@il100374]

What nerves? Lmfao

[@sebas9504]

What an incredible set, Mango and Zain always put on such a good showing

[@ParagonPKC]

2:00 I've NEVER seen someone take percentage in the bubble from a tech roll.

[@thisisfyne]

wait WHAT o_O

[@Corpsecreate]

He was out of view of the camera and in the magnifying glass for too long, which periodically deals 1% dmg.

[@ParagonPKC]

@@Corpsecreate I know how it works. But never seen that from a tech chase, moreso from getting blasted offstage

[@Corpsecreate]

@@ParagonPKC Ahh I misunderstood your comment then. Yeah I don't think I've ever seen it happen this way either.

[@superDonPino]

This is the classic final match. It's incredible that Mango until the final stock is letal. This game is great always be always will

[@Groovester]

Crazy fucking end, I really could feel there being a universe where it could’ve went the other way when that sequence happened holy

[@frogturtle]

mango channeled 10,000 years of melee in the last stock of game 4. tragic end but great showing by both of these guys. also great commentary from waff and toph

[@BakingSoda4U]

Game was hella even, that's what kept it interesting from beggining to end. There's certainly so much more Melee to be played!

[@shinji136]

>3-1. 6-1 for whole tournament > "hella even" Mango stans truly a breed apart.

[@BakingSoda4U]

@@shinji136 Why bring up the whole tournament when I was talking only about this game? Or where do you get from that I'm a "mangosteen"? You are either lacking in reading comprehension or unhealthily butthurt about the results.

[@scythermantis]

Dude it was close don't worry about him haters gonna hate

[@shinji136]

@@scythermantis In what world is a 6-1 close? You should go back to primary school, learn some basic numbers.

[@ghastlyspace]

@@shinji136 uncalled for aggression, you love to see it

[@thoreroseup]

FINALLY 1080p 60fps ready, been watching since I was 14 I'm 24 I love melee this is amazing to see the evolution. I am so busy with life now but I am so hyped to see who wins this!! I'll comment below my reaction.

[@patrickagustin8594]

If mang0 took game 4 with that almost comeback, there’s no denying that he would reset the bracket because of his momentum. Would have broken Zain mentally. But the world isn’t about whats ifs. GGs to Zain, Mr. #1 in the world for a reason

[@spawn-sr8tw]

Mango was legit gaming and missing some things that were like revolutionary of done correctly, honestly Zain made it look so incredible on the defensive end great grand finals

[@timmasters1195]

What did he miss that would have been "revolutionary"?

[@Windraesa]

​@@timmasters1195beating zain

[@peashooter6628]

@timmasters1195 he was like 2/16 on edgeguards, definitely not beating Zain if you give him so many opportunities

[@stokesberlin9294]

11:00 "oh that was godlike" the dude is down a match, and down 100%. the casters were virtually silent when zain was winning, fan boying for mango for the entire duration. The commentary is so cringe.

[@savaget2058]

Uncontested number one, Zain just doesn't miss a punish or drop an edgeguard 🔥

[@dr_meth]

Thank you Mango for making Falco relevant in this meta :)

[@Molten-Throne]

Holy… What a fight. Loved the watch. These two are always intense

[@WindxStrife]

that final stock was insane holy crap my heart.

[@krizpyclips9270]

Mango motivates me to keep playing Falco

[@l0af_o]

Nah fr this character is not easy he makes it look like that tho

[@krizpyclips9270]

@@l0af_o love me some slippi. :)

[@ReavenM1911A1]

@@l0af_o Easiest combo and neutral in the game. Falco players really will say their character is hard

[@xxximyxxximerton1671]

@@ReavenM1911A1wow ur so cool!

[@ianalvarez7156]

@@ReavenM1911A1Skiddy bop

[@Cuix]

this whole top 8 was some of the best melee ever, how is this game still so hype and fresh

[@MorrensHS]

Awesome ending set, melee's major never lies

[@trime1015]

The Mango Zain tier is very real. Especially Mango started out so hot, its like he was playing Falco on doubletime with ice skates.

[@shinji136]

There's no Mango/Zain tier. The record was 6-1 in Zain's favor for the tournament. Stop dickriding mango so hard, you'll get a lethal prolapse.

[@trime1015]

@@shinji136 A rivalry doesn't have to be balanced 50-50 between the two rivals you tool.

[@josephcosentino7328]

What was that at 2:00 a phantom grab?

[@Fathergoodies]

One of the grand finals matchups I love to see

[@kln_mn]

at 2:00 why does Mango take 1% damage? is it just from being in the viewfinder for a split second?

[@Corpsecreate]

yep

[@Chief3273]

Imagine being so delusional calling Mango washed when he finished 2nd losing only to Zain and being the only player to take a game off Zain in the entire tournament.

[@EtropolisGhost]

Mango is the most unpredictable top player in Melee. Sometimes he's the GOAT and sometimes he's the buster. I agree people need to realize that and stop thinking he's washed after just a couple low performances... that's just the Mango! He'll be on top again in a minute.

[@MrFlejon]

@@EtropolisGhost Thou shall not sleep on the kid

[@ReavenM1911A1]

Nothing says the GOAT like getting 2nd over and over again lol

[@RiggedandReady]

​@ReavenM1911A1 "Greatest of all time." Still getting 2nds (and not that far removed from some wins) after a career that spans over a decade - with periods of dominance and never being ranked below top 10?

[@ReavenM1911A1]

@@RiggedandReady Oh yeah my bad dude I forgot Mango's GOAT streak in 2005-2009 at My friend Dave's backyard tournament 3 and Youth Center Melee Fridays I should pay respects you're right.

[@FrostyBrows]

How is the image quality so good? Are they doing melee tournaments on PC now? Then downscaling to CRTs??

[@rodgeers7347]

5:12 I'm confused. What did the crowd do to counter the people clapping offbeat on purpose?

[@paste5502]

Mangos falco on that last stock looked like tool assisted. Insane combos. Heartbreaker he didn't get the edgeguard

[@rnjr485]

Melee just as pretty as Ultimate, OMG!

[@electromagneticlemon]

Rewatching, it looks like mango was just too far to the right, and missed the ledge while falling lmao. Brutal

[@Loopsnvisuals]

"Imma take you for a ride..."

[@Pray4urSINs]

Old song from cruising usa

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

​@@Pray4urSINs not MvC 2?

[@Pray4urSINs]

@@TopOfAllWorlds damn they did use it in mvc2 u right I totally forgot. It's from both

[@NoteFlakez]

At least he tried this tourney respect to both

[@Matthew.Morcos]

Mang looks like hes gonna take the next one, falco looking the best its been vs marth since the pandemic

[@Chizypuff]

That's maybe the first time I actually laughed out loud at a set ending, I got so hyped when I saw the kid I forgot about the busta

[@MewcePewpz]

mannnnnnnnn what an ending!!!! gg! Toph and Waffles i'm glad you guys are still doing this

[@Apocralyph]

Shoutouts to the commentary for being awesome as usual!

[@alexelric7020]

I love seeing Mang0 rep the bird. I feel like he has more success with Falco than his Fox these days.

[@vipervolkan3042]

I kinda miss seeing him playing fox

[@TevanBalian]

@@vipervolkan3042no

[@kevinsiu3769]

His Fox in Summit 11 was 🤌

[@yabski_]

that was the craziest grand finals ending ive seen in YEARS

[@GeoffFClark]

Absolutely thrilling set. Every set of theirs is the new iteration of the highest level Falco vs Marth gameplay.

[@Fozmaloud]

god damn melee is so much fun to watch....

[@na-il3282]

is this the actual game speed?

[@AutumnReel4444]

Video length my guys! Also the playlist is out of order! Come on! Great tournie, good show, but details matter

[@carltonmensah349]

I barely kno melee. Plz explain y mango didn’t recover after he got hit on tht last stock?

[@shinji136]

He tried to, you can see Falco getting into up b charge animation if you slow down the video. But Falco falls too fast so he died anyway.

[@four-en-tee]

I'm really liking these Falco dair drag downs. Good shit Mang0.

[@ventdra]

Ult player spotted

[@enemyskill4286]

@@ventdrayea but in their defense pillar combos make it look that way

[@nirvanabutnomoreideas6534]

That's just Falco dair bro

[@ventdra]

@enemyskill4286 I mean it is essentially the same idea. One just relies on multihits. I wasn't dissing or anything just calling out lmao

[@cueshq789]

Deadass in the shower TRIPPIN watching this set. Holy. Shit.

[@falco2350]

Serious question. Is Zain really that good or does Mango just not care anymore?

[@shinji136]

Zain is just better than mango. Imagine mango making it to 2nd over so many top players and yet you think he "doesn't care" because he didn't get first, lmao.

[@smoothguitarforever]

Mango grinding this year is gonna be so fun to see

[@KTSpeedruns]

Coming full circle to a Marth main dominating the game.

[@dreadedpatrick9876]

someone really doubted me when I said Zain's gonna be #1 yet again, he's this generations Armada

[@michiganisthebeststate1081]

I like Zain as much as the next guy but to call anyone the "this generation's Armada" is a bit of an overstatement.

[@Windraesa]

​@@michiganisthebeststate1081he's the closest to it

[@dreadedpatrick9876]

@@michiganisthebeststate1081 Zain has had the most positive tournament and player head to head records since 2019, most players can't compete with that kind of consistency and dominance in such a long time span, Plup is the only player I could find that he has a negative record against, but he's been pretty inactive. Ken, Armada, and Hbox easily had the most dominant eras, spanning around 3+ years, and if Zain places #1 on the official ranking there's no doubt he'll be up there with them

[@michiganisthebeststate1081]

@@dreadedpatrick9876 Still nowhere near as dominant as Armada.

[@dreadedpatrick9876]

@@michiganisthebeststate1081 remember Armada had competition too, i.e five gods era. name someone as dominant as him in the past 4 years rn. literally no one, ignore the stats all you want

[@TevanBalian]

Everyone but jmook played good this tournament, but zain played lights out

[@atomicmelodies]

Mango would have won that game if he snapped to ledge at the end. No doubt in my mind

[@Gottrouble]

Great game

[@seanjohn2876]

Always

[@thebluelightmemory4355]

WHAT AND ENDING LOL. That will be in a highlight reel lol

[@nafy522]

My predictions for 2023 summer rankings: 1: Zain 2: Cody 3: Jmook 4: Leffen 5: Mango 6: moky 7: aMSa 8: HBox 9: Plup* 10: Wizzrobe* * : these players could be higher if they attended more majors and supermajors

[@adamnelson4859]

That cloud jump and the near-kill dash spike omg lol my palms are sweating and im not even playing lol

[@Gweivyth]

We have GOT to convince Mang0 that lazer at the ledge is not safe. :( He gets punished for it so many times in this set.

[@danielsmith5032]

Where’s the Moon?? 😂😂

[@douglasfranco-x6w]

Jolly good show

[@deleteduser5312]

For some reason I can't wait for this game to die

[@coolguy69verycool]

Breaks my damn heart. I've seen mango play better very recently. Homie does have that dog in him and I want to see it

[@stephensterling1874]

Phantom grab???? 2:01 ???? what? That's a thing?

[@prizm9515]

That almost comeback game four was so hipe and then mango just dies. Lol

[@Narfanator]

As soon as I saw Mango chew gum after the 2nd game, I knew it was over.

[@TheSilvershadow200]

Maybe it's just me but as someone who doesn't know much about Melee outside of spectating, I find the competitive scene a lot slower than it used to be. Far less flashier. However, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I remember back during the Gods era everyone, even mid level players, let alone the ones near the top were absolutely zipping all over the place, almost never slowing down with flashier combos than most you see today as well. That's how it felt back then. Now, perhaps because defensive awareness has evolved so far, I see far less of this. Instead, there is far more commitment and deliberation in each button pressed as opposed to rocking heads. Feels as if it's now less about technical skill and a lot more about mindgames. It's really interesting to think about.

[@TZMHBT]

Defensive play has evolved significantly since the 5 gods era; it's a lot more optimized. Stuff like asdi, slide-offs alongside everyone being a significantly more knowledgeable of character matchups, abilities and combos has made the flashy stuff less common But at the same time the increase in knowledge means more character variety; Yoshi is now a serious threat and Ice Climbers have evolved their gameplay beyond wobbling

[@patmckit9258]

way to spoil who made it to grand finals with the thumbnail, was hoping yinz might learn from ludwig

[@benjaminchaulk6269]

I actually burst out laughing at the end just bustered it lol

[@muskop42]

glad to see mango at least kinda back if mango took that last game he’s would’ve won the whole thing fr that momentum was crazy

[@Doomxeen]

Mango still giving us bombass games.

[@RainWasTaken]

I guess you say Mang0 needs to ‘Get on his level’.

[@SooperBeez]

zain is like the vanilla flavor for ice cream

[@humble_ape]

Idk man, it looked to me like Mang0 played well in games 1 and 2, got sloppy in 3 and 4 and decided to clean it up at the very end and it was almost enough, but not quite.

[@apoctalypticmessiah]

It probably didn't matter much this first game at 1:59-2:00, but did you guys see Zain's grab not only whiff on Mango, but did 1% unblockable damage as an interaction? I know some grab releases can damage the recipient but I have never seen that in my 10+ years of playing and spectating this game. Love that these two push the game that hard!

[@Asoarviver]

Mango was off camera so he took damage

[@billyschroeder2671]

Magnifying glass?

[@HelloThere-uu8ln]

Lmao Zain's been in the lab.

[@codetaku]

@@billyschroeder2671 Yeah you're correct, he was just in the magnifying glass too long and took damage from that, nothing to do with Zain's action in the game, just the camera being janky

[@LordVerdo]

Mang0 is always a great player and is obviously a legend and will forever be in melee but... It's such a Mang0 thing of him to die off single side-b from Marth haha.

[@fupalover]

Zain only lost 1 game during this whole tournament.

[@clonesharpshooter101]

Can somebody give Zain a longer headphone cord?

[@EEEEEE1337]

this last round was a rollercoaster, the GOAT is back!

[@stevedave6969]

I bet it fucken REEKS in that venue bruh 💀💀💀

[@juniors8745]

mango always loves to want to come back when he is basically dead and most of the time it works

[@The_removal_artist]

You gotta give him god status had one of if not the most consistent reigns 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hennessyypapi]

Quiggles would’ve clutched.

[@CanadianBaconPwnage]

I think I had a heart attack during the last game. Too much stress lol. XD

[@rickydlp]

GG for real!

[@originoa]

mango ur my fucking hero

[@partyboat123]

This is why you don’t run out after marth off ledge

[@Bonk12381]

Lol the way that ended though 😂

[@themetapod]

Does anybody else kinda feel that Marth just gets everything for free, has broken ass safe moves, and is generally kinda lame?

[@zillavanilla6353]

Gotta change the video length man…

[@aspiknf]

Zain using a red Marth like SephirothKen, the original King of Smash.

[@loganreidy7055]

That's the Mango

[@xClayofTheOmega]

Mango w/ grab mix ups is #1 player in the world. I stand by that. He normally loses cuz his opponents just sit braindead in shield. Game 1 looked light w/ adding in more grabs

[@Windraesa]

falco (generally) doesn't get much off grab

[@xClayofTheOmega]

@@Windraesa IMO it’s 100% better to have a di mix up, tech chase or up throw up air, than blast a bunch of moves on shield in neutral that aren’t converting. Game 1 was a great example where Mango grabbed more and it kept Zain from just sitting in shield. Everybody does, including Armada back in the day cuz they can’t scrap straight up with Mango. His aggression allows them to just sit in shield and counter grab etc. it’s like demanding rock is gunna win when your opponent is picking paper every time.

[@shinji136]

Standing by a delusional dickride is not a source of pride, dude. Zain is just better than mango, significantly at that.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Zain shat all over everyone

[@imaginationland474]

MFW I saw mang0 in grand finals. Oomgg legend

[@604Lance]

7:51 “if we get this edge guard” and proceeds to be disappointed when Falco dies. why is the commentary taking a side. The crowd is fine but commentators should always be neutral. I hate it when there is clear bias towards a player because they like them, it makes me just root for the player that the commentators are against. Glad Zain got the W.

[@laughinelf]

Mango was on his last stock of that game, so Toph obviously was gonna comment on the possibility of making a 2 stock comeback against Zain.

[@drewtweedie7408]

I enjoy Mang0 and Zain; commentators are always ass with their bias or talking about Twitter bullshit no one cares about. Toph adds nothing and Bobby actively detracts while he waits for Mang0 to make a play and tell the audience how excited he is. They should just stick Phil and HMW as the play-by-play and a character specialist or two as color commentators and call it a day.

[@laughinelf]

@@604Lance lol im a fanboy now just because I said toph thought mango could make a comeback ok bro 🤖

[@604Lance]

@@laughinelf nothing wrong with toph stating mango can make a comeback, but he didnt, he said “we” and then became disappointed when mango didn’t get it, showing clear bias, which you refuse to admit which means not only are you a fanboy but a 🤡 as well. Have a great day

[@laughinelf]

@@604Lance how does my meat taste lil bro

[@Alderoth]

9:48 sent me out my chair, but 10:55 made me throw it out the window

[@John_Duster]

He’s using marth side b on stage like it’s Roy’s 😂