PlayStation Fan Attempts To Dodge Real World Data Analysis On Black Myth WuKong

[@heideknight7782]

If the allocated RAM is the issue with running the game on the Series S then the fix to this is much simpler than if there was a real memory allocation problem. In the latter case one would probably have to modify the source code in certain places, while in the former the fixes only need to be made in the memory management part of the program (and error handling for overflow errors and the like, as mentioned). This doesn't take years of optimisation. Saying this as someone with some experience in software engineering.

[@nothingtosee7718]

@@heideknight7782 well given the tittle runs like crap on a 4090 in places, it’s clearly an issue with the code. Then you have the face both of the top 2 looking and most demanding games of 2024, both run perfectly fine on the series S. The developers clearly doesn’t have the skill or the want given the bag on money $ony gave them to make it expensive for a year…

[@heideknight7782]

@@nothingtosee7718 I think, too, that GameScience is heavily dependent on external help to make the console ports. I remember that DF made a video where they analysed the PS5 version for Black Myth and observed a number of unusual decisions they made, like a 45 fps balance mode, as far as I can recall it (so does not fit factors of 120Hz which is the output of most HDMI monitors). Very weird.

[@nothingtosee7718]

@ it’s just a really poorly wrote game, from a developer with no experience. Hence why $ony gave them a ton of help and inserted exclusivity. Fair play to them, all holders should be providing the same help. it’s just that anything from $ony comes at the cost of anti consumer practices, whereas MS is pro consumer. But let’s not pretend it’s due to the Series S, when more games have problem with PiSSeR. So $ony development released really poor hardware?

[@randomcommentator-m3t]

I like how people act like it's impossible to port BMW on the Series S when a team somehow managed to port The Witcher 3 to the Switch. I'm sure that the Sony money hat on the game keeps them from telling the truth but they would be better off not saying anything rather than opening their mouth and slandering their own development skills.

[@urbanninja313]

Yea, the Witcher 3 port pretty much showed me that there is really no such thing as an "impossible port". You are either capable of doing it or you're not. That's on the devs.

[@colossaloverlord2678]

This is true. Rando's even got older games like GTA III running on Dreamcast. Anything is possible if there is a will. ​@@urbanninja313

[@dragonriderabens9761]

@@urbanninja313 impossible? correct exceedingly difficult to a point where it isn't worth it? different discussion is this a case of the latter? I am not knowledgeable enough to say

[@謝元龍-f7d]

Witcher 3 is a 2015 game and the basic hardware requirement is lower then. Also, the Switch port is 2019. I think with 4 years BWM can be ported also.

[@randomcommentator-m3t]

@@謝元龍-f7d It's already been shown that off the numbers alone BMW can run just fine on the Series S. This isn't even an argument anymore.

[@tinmanslickgreasy999]

We live in a society where everything is confirmation bias...... You could show all the facts and evidence BUT since it doesnt fit a certain narrative they will not even take a look at it because the agenda only works in such desired direction. We are now in a double down reality. Its not just gaming.....its everything. politics, money, scholastics, religion. every aspect of our lives unfortunately. On a grander scale past gaming its kind of scary. Old timer here.

[@EggEnjoyer]

Due to mass media, we live in a post truth era. Now you can believe in anything and easily just surround yourself with people who believe the same. Before is you believed the earth was flat, you had to be alone in that thought and not know a single soul who agreed with you. Now you can hop online and find entire communities around the subject.

[@nothingtosee7718]

Strange how the 2 best looking games of the year are both only on XBOX and both run fine on the S… makes you think doesn’t it…. 😂😅

[@crymsonenigma]

How so? They're both optimized in-house, much like how Sony games run so much smoother and look better than 3rd party offerings. Also, they're the best looking according to DF.

[@nothingtosee7718]

@ yeah, that just doesn’t happen… X is outputting no only better FPS but better resolutions too. It’s just a better place to play with a better eco system and community..

[@nothingtosee7718]

@@crymsonenigma why’s does black myth run so bad on the PoS5 and pro? 17 FPS 🤣🤣, why does it drop so low? What does that say about the game?

[@crymsonenigma]

@nothingtosee7718 I mean, you're asking these questions of a mere gamer who only plays for enjoyment. Though, the frame rate from my base nor my Pro has never dropped that low. Even if it did, I've found that most drops are temporary at best. Crying over imperfections in virtual entertainment is wild. It's a game, not life.

[@nothingtosee7718]

@ But they do drop that low in Black Myth…so clearly the problem is the paystation given how the developers have nothing to do with performance. Also the pro must be complete garbage given its got massive problems with 5-6 games, that’s 3 times the number of games blamed on the series S. or is that $ony and PiSSeR not being developed correctly before release?

[@yaboipele34]

If Black Myth: Wu Kong suddenly releases on Xbox on Feb 19th, we will have our answer. That is 6 months exactly after its release on pc and ps5. Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. But, it will be interesting to see if it does either way. I think it will. There’s no reason it can’t run on the Series S, that much should be clear by now to everyone in the conversation.

[@Gaming_since_the_eighties]

Releasing it on february, while Avowed a brand new XBOX first party exclusive releases, would be suicide for the developers. I rather play a brand new game day one, instead of waiting 6 months for a game. Besides that i own a ps5, so if i would be interested in Black Myth, i would bought it long time ago.

[@yaboipele34]

@ square enix released FF16 on pc the same week as Sony released GoWR on pc. Moot point.

[@kuricosmos]

Thanks for taking the time to expose that fraud. He's intellectually dishonest. There's a reason, much as I try not to use it, today, why the term "lazy devs" came about.

[@TRoma-57ab]

Now I'm curious if Baldur's Gate 3 coop supposed memory issues are real....

[@yaboipele34]

I think it is. That game has so much more going on that BMW does.

[@TheBean87]

It was because of untethered split screen coop

[@megilacuttyjones735]

Yea I believe in BDG3 because atleast they released the game just without split screen. We already know Sony had a back door deal with BMWK studio. They wanna do this all secretive because they know they're doing exactly what they told the FTC Xbox would do

[@DreamerSouls]

There is no explaining more reasoning with these people, they will ignore all facts and go along with what sounds good to them instead.

[@urbanninja313]

Worked on UE4 to get my Comp Sci degree. They have ALWAYS provided support for things like optimizations. Saying its impossible is absolute bullshit.

[@martinpanama23]

Damn you really cooked on this one fam

[@KyleSetFire]

Here's something that could do with your particular brand of analysis. Playstation is regarded as the market leader because of they post the highest revenue of the 3 console platform holders. Ignoring their poor recent financials in general I still want to ask the question.... Are all those console sales actually having a negative impact on Playstation financials? Because record revenue is great and all but nobody is buying the games and profits are at DECADE lows. The console sales are actually inflating the platform revenue whilst hiding the true state of their software finances. Like if we took hardware sales out of both Xbox and Playstation finances I'm almost 100% certain Xbox would be decimate Playstation in this regard. Which ironically is the name of the game. Selling softwsre. Its the only reason the consoles ever existed.

[@bigphilly08]

Black Myth is a pretty poorly optimized game as a whole. I chalk it up to the developers inexperience.

[@BlazeWright97]

It's poorly optimized on pc so best believe it's poorly optimized on the ps5. They doing Xbox a favor for not being on the platform at this rate.

[@inkdreaper874]

Good thing Sony sent a crew over to help them optimize it 😂

[@jamesdavid2893]

Personally I've had no real issues aside from a fuzzy bush and that's on a ps5 with a 1440p monitor in performance mode, I've heard people have issues here and there on multiple platforms and there's cases where people haven't had any problems.

[@chrisanderson1-66]

Ive had zero issues on my PS5.

[@JSox3.0C-r2r]

It's so wild that this is where gaming is.

[@fvjtfjnx6535]

The Devs made a lot of money sold 20+ million copies, yet seem unable to resource a developer who can assist to optimise the game? Really? In all this time? Yet they have time to optimise and release a PS5 pro port? And they go in their advertised videos from showing Xbox logo to not showing it. If they intended to release it, they would have. That they haven't is either they don't intend to, they intend to drag for some reason if their own, or they have a financial reason to drag which is protected by an NDA.

[@yaboipele34]

All of that is why I expect it to release Feb 19th. 6 months exclusivity deal on the hush.

[@TheBean87]

Also Xbox had a team help them early December.

[@urbanninja313]

Exactly

[@TheITCrowd22]

They don't care about Xbox just like most of the gamers out there.

[@TheBean87]

@@TheITCrowd22 do you like being wrong?

[@darthdavidr2999]

Has he added allocated on to Vram usage LOL the way Vram is monitored is that game is using 4615mb of the 5441mb allocated LOL

[@vintologi]

While having only 8GiB of ram available for the game is far from ideal Black Myth Wukong isn't the type of game that should be struggling on the series S obviously. Best way to test this is to run it on an APU with 8 GiB memory available to the game, then we find out for sure.

[@majorasspain5341]

How is that going to prove anything lol. An APU shares DDR system ram for Gaming the series S shares GDDR. There's a massive difference between the two. a pc with an APU and only 8GB of DDR ram will barely run anything thees day's

[@TruthHurts1519]

As someone who played on low specs for years .. everything those devs said is cap ... I gave one of my rigs to my lil brother which has 1070 and 8gb of ram .. and it runs every game on medium graphics at 60+ 😂😂😂

[@VGFightSchool]

I know, right!!!???

[@Carl-gj4ed]

I'm quite curious to know if TheTerk is playing these chapters back to back or recording the first chapter, shutting the game down to edit the video, restarts the game and plays chapter 2 and so on. If so, that would wipe the RAM at each chapter. The only reason I'm bringing it up is that most players are experiencing issues the longer they play. Nothing to do with demanding action scenes. One of Microsoft's certifications relies on the game being stable and playable from beginning to end and yes, someone probably sits there and plays it without stopping from beginning to end (lucky mofos) or at least try to. Not sure if TheTerk follows any of these channels, but it would be interesting to hear his take on this and if he's taken that into account. Also, curious to know what version of the game he's playing, since many of the issues could have been patched by now. PS5 finally got a patch on December 14th, and it might run like butter now on the Series S and would pass certification. If he was able to obtain the original release copy by some plundering ways *smirk* that would be interesting to see.

[@TheBean87]

This is the problem with todays society, too many liars out there talking about stuff they have no knowledge of

[@aquapendulum]

How is this still an issue if console just have SWAP MEMORY??? Even the Series S is decked out with a fast SSD. There's no way you can tell me a console system can't use swap memory in this day and age, if just for the sake of preventing a game crash alone. The allocated RAM conversation is moot if the OS just uses SWAP MEMORY!

[@horemmars]

A friend of mine once told me you can get a game to run on almost anything your only problem is how pretty it will look.

[@theredguy4845]

I'm a PC gamers and I defend the Series S because not everyone has money to buy a Pro or Series X.

[@Jinkyuu1999]

Thank you my friend has series s and barely afford it! Not everyone has a big funds!

[@zerosam5541]

The game memory won't spike since it will only used the amount of ram avabile to run the game if you add 16gb of ram then the ram useage will go up since there is more ram to use

[@Foxbat2B]

More then likely NIB is just trolling he does have twitter blue and I wouldn't be surprised if he is getting paid by twitter for his engagement. Its easier for him to deflect and not accept reality. I will bet anything that he hasn't even played Black Myth Wukong .But he sure going to bat for Sony. If we want a definite answer if their was a deal or not it should come from Playstation/Sony directly.

[@jessep5280]

Fanboys engage in confirmation bias. They have a preconceived notion about the way things are, and they deliberately ignore anything that runs counter to their presumptions. If you're a PlayStation fanboy and you're reading this comment, look up the definition of *confirmation bias.*

[@heros.1843]

If the series s can run indiana jones it can run black myth

[@TheBean87]

Difference engine, the real comparison is if it can run stalker 2(ue5) than it can run black myth

[@heros.1843]

@TheBean87 so then the answer is yes.. because stalker 2 can run on series s

[@imo098765]

@@TheBean87 Stalker 2 and Hellblade 2 both using UE5 can run on Series S, might not be the prettiest but it runs

[@TheBean87]

@@heros.1843 yes, the answer is yes but it comes down to developers knowing how to optimize a game and when they’re ready to say they took a deal from Sony.

[@rahulpandey9472]

Indiana is lightweight compared to Wukong. Lack of experience plus use of stutter engine 5 makes that game really hard to run. My PC hard crashed like 10 times while playing that game.

[@NinjaSquirrel30]

Man the fanboys Who allegedly have PC Dont even recognise TaskMaster 🤣 Im happy others are showing them it could easily run on Series S hardware

[@SliverPhoxX]

Skills kills this game could work on the ps3 or 360 it's have to scale down to work. Dev's lies to hide their corruption .

[@mynameismud-qd9vu]

Black Myth is clearly a developer issue as the game isn't optimized for the platforms it is available on. If they couldn't properly optimize the game for the PS5 and PC, it's understandable that the Series S would create issues.

[@carenophillips118]

Thanks for digging into this Black Myth issue. So disappointed,. I just wish Phil Spencer would come out and end all this. I don't give $#*@ why , let's just get the game on to the Box.Just subbed to your channel..thanks again.

[@TheBean87]

Can’t end something they have no hand in

[@imo098765]

Xbox already said it, they working on getting the game on the system but they cannot comment on deals made by their competitors

[@07rayrod]

Imagine thinking this video proved the dev of black myth wukong wrong. You release that on xbox Microsoft would Have to refund everyone for how bad it is

[@VGFightSchool]

Imagine thinking that's what this video was about... lol

[@JordanPorter11207]

The Series S can handle things just fine. I know people don't like hearing about Genshin Impact, but the Xbox version actually runs better than the PC version, even on the Series S. Like, I believe the game runs at over 60 on the S and only 60 on the PC, if you're not using the modded servers. All I'm saying is, if a "potato" conse can run a game better than the official PC version, then something's wrong.

[@PrinsessePeach]

NIB...ChatGPT! 🤡

[@Sarge-ue5ov]

More like TwatGPT

[@TH1RTYbelow]

Hit the I hate Microsoft button------->

[@AiJuice1]

It is not the Series S raw stats that have issues. Of course you could create a PC similar to the series S... the difference is the Series S has a software issue that causes memory leaks. This is when the device does not properly release RAM that isn't being used. IT IS A SOFTWARE ISSUE, not hardware. The Series S limitations can not be accurately displayed this way. This gives nothing but a false idea of the issue and problems at hand.

[@VGFightSchool]

Hmm... Better wait for the experiment to be over. Even I didn't draw any conclusions.

[@PhillyGuna10]

Bro like you said something is up and I think I know what it is , the series s is a powerful console and very capable for its price point. I feel like Sony fans and the devs who support Sony are trying their best to make the Series S seem like a bad option , and a way to convince ppl not to buy it. Like you said I never heard of devs complaining about a systems specs the just always worked with what the resources they had available. NIB is a Sony troll ,

[@inkdreaper874]

Ponies don't listen to Mark Cerny. You think they'll listen to someone who doesn't work for Sony? 😂

[@troyl200]

0:35, the current gen fighters are a snooze fest. My grandma can land 30hit combos in the MK1. You're not labbing. You're still learning how to play.

[@Carl-gj4ed]

As a PC gamer, I find the criticism of the Series S laughable, mainly because I know the architecture of that console. I don't own it, but I'm very aware of what the Series S | X and PS5 | Pro are capable of. I see PC gamers standing up for the Series S because they smell bullshit from a mile away. The Series S is more powerful than a PS4 Pro and that console was "the most powerful console on the planet" at one point. Also, PS fanboys not only have beef with Xbox gamers but with the PC gaming community as well, and PS fanboys attack both all the time. The Series S | X are closer to a PC than a PS5, so there is that natural synergy between the Xbox and PC gaming community. I don't think I have ever read a single comment by an Xbox fanboy bashing the PC gaming community. Honestly, Xbox gamers have more beef with Microsoft because they know MS could do better and they are.

[@Jinkyuu1999]

Ps5 players fight with ps4-ps1 players it's ridiculous 🙄!

[@paulomcmurray6131]

..sony moneyhatting mvc collections for xbox

[@TheBean87]

No that was an engine issue. It’s why it’s coming to ps4 and not ps5(but will run in back compatibility mode) due to the ps5 not supporting the engine. The Xbox doesn’t support the engine either, now they have worked with Capcom to get it working and will be coming to Xbox.

[@crymsonenigma]

Why does anyone really care? It's their right to port the game over or not. They don't owe XB anything. They sold 20+ million without bothering to port it. How many Chinese devs are running to the XB anyway?

[@TheBean87]

@@crymsonenigma plenty if we look at the games coming to Xbox this year and beyond

[@VGFightSchool]

WuChang is coming to Xbox Gamepass.

[@TheBean87]

@@VGFightSchool wuchang looks crazy! That night boss battle in the moonlight looks epic

[@TheITCrowd22]

I think they should come out and just say Xbox is irrelevant and we don't care about it. Barely anyone even owns an Xbox in China, so we don't really like to waste our time and resources developing games for a console that no one cares about or buys games for, especially when we are not going to put our game on their rental service.

[@jaydeebow6431]

To be fair barely anyone in China owned a PS5 either. Most gamers their game on pc or phone. But Xbox just is not what most of us gamers own, as I have a pc for the few games from Microsoft I want. And the PS5 I have for exclusives like Blood Borne or games I would rather not wait 6 months to a year for like Rebirth.

[@VGFightSchool]

Me: Make 20 minute video with technical emphasis. You: Console war drivel. This is why no one takes PlayStation fans seriously anymore. Thanks for the engagement though. At least it wasn't all a waste.

[@TheITCrowd22]

@@VGFightSchool How is that a console war? Since you guys are refusing to accept their statement that they lack expertise in optimising a game on Series S with its memory configuration and there is no proof of Sony's involvement in any kind of exclusivity with this game, there is only one other option left: They don't care about Xbox.

[@VGFightSchool]

@@TheITCrowd22 "No proof of PlayStation's involvement"? Where did you get that conclusion from? PlayStation? The Devs?

[@TheITCrowd22]

@@VGFightSchool Do you have a proof? I mean whole world would like to see the evidence if you have one. Even by law, you are innocent till proven guilty so if you are saying Sony is involved you must have some proof.

[@victorfigueroa9905]

In all honesty, Sony ponies are like flat earthers. No matter how much evidence you show to disprove their beliefs, they'll move the goalposts with new what about isms

[@oresunf84]

Sure. Sony Says nothing Developer We're having trouble with the s version because of it's shared memory. We aren't experienced in programming for that. So that's why it will take some time for the Xbox version. Ps fans. Ah well if they aren't experienced with that. Then that makes sense. Xbox fans. SONY PAID THEM, SONY PAID THEM REEEEEEEEEEHHHHH 😂

[@MansaMusa50]

Totally agree and have been saying this for a while. Like MAGA fans and religious folk. I would say it applies to all fanboys though. It's just the sony ones are far more plentiful.

[@crymsonenigma]

​@MansaMusa50 any person debating over toys is a "fanboy". There are things that both systems do better than the other. XB has always been a more feature rich experience where as the PS has the more robust library with more unique options of play. Just play what you like and don't even bother debating if you already know better. Both sides projecting onto the other.

[@MansaMusa50]

@@crymsonenigma having an opinion on technology does not make you a fanboy. If it did your reply would mean you are one which I do not believe. Blindly following a corporation without seeing their errors or mistakes is what a fanboy is. I'm in my 50's and have no desire to console war, however the Internet is a wash with horrific Sony fanboys which everyone is sick of.

[@crymsonenigma]

@MansaMusa50 Opinions are fine, though I stated arguing over toys is the problem. Furthermore, my comment highlighted the benefits of both sides factually. Fanboys tend to need validation to justify their support outside of just enjoying what it offers them personally. Both sides have the same nature, really. XB is fragile due to years of over promising and underperforming, while Sony is overconfident due to outperforming its competition consistently. Now that MS has done a couple of things right, they're celebrating too early, and Sony is beginning to think they don't have to listen to their community anymore. Both exercises can and will lead to detrimental outcomes in the long run.

[@nothingtosee7718]

Why is it always PayStation fanboys behaving this way? 😂 I guess when you have no games you have to throw mud everywhere to distract from the reality of the situation. Black myth has an exclusivity deal in place, $ony did the dirty - again, and paid to keep it off another platform. MS did make a mistake by not putting the same amount of RAM in the S as the X however in my opinion, it makes it’s harder for developers as they have to optimise a game twice.

[@apollodingo3583]

Series S having only 10 vram is still stupid. No clue why anyone is defending that. Steam deck has 16 vram. How ar you calling steam deck inferiors to series s.

[@VGFightSchool]

Deck can barely handle 1080p while Series can hit 1440 in games when well optimized. This is scientific.

[@apollodingo3583]

@ what good is that for new games. Most new games aren’t well optimized. Microsoft can’t even normally launch well optimized games. Most all of them initially run at 30 frames because of the series s. I have no clue why people defend them putting 10gb of shared ram/vram in that console. That was a poop decision. And just to be clear I’m not some Xbox hater. But that was a mistake. They should have bit the cost instead of making it so limited if they wanted to put a console out in that price range. P

[@jamesdavid2893]

Consoles are basically laptops that you plug in your own screen, Microsoft have a issue of parity which they decided to make the S and not make exceptions, the tech is atill a custom modified laptop and there's ways to make games run, there's games like arkham knight and like metal gear solid 5 that set a pretty high bar like a decade ago, even call of duty advanced warfare was ridiculously impressive and now everyone looks rubber, we've heard stories of higher up rush things out so who knows what's going on, the fanboy stuff can get F'd it's boring, I do like the truth and that's impossible to know you can only work with what you got and you have to be realistic with what things are and what they require, take a look at wuthering waves it's in unreal engine 4 has rough performance on a phone, PC has the power and uses a lot of power to run the components, it just released on playstation 5 it took more dev time and it runs well so things can be done they take time, money and talent.

[@oresunf84]

Sure. Sony Says nothing Developer We're having trouble with the s version because of it's shared memory. We aren't experienced in programming for that. So that's why it will take some time for the Xbox version. Ps fans. Ah well if they aren't experienced with that. Then that makes sense. Xbox fans. SONY PAID THEM, SONY PAID THEM REEEEEEEEEEHHHHH 😂

[@chriscoleman7260]

Series S is a potato, just accept

[@fvjtfjnx6535]

The biggest potato this gen is the PS5. It released without full rdna 2 chipset, no VRS, limited VRR, no mesh shaders. Then the Pro is released with full rdna 2 and Mark Cerny uses the PS5 codebase and doesn't use these features either so holding back the Pro. The Series X and S use full feature set of rdna 2 and it shows. Look at the photorealistic graphics of Hellblade 2. Look at Indiana Jones. Both on Series X and S. The real reason BMW was held back was because, as usual with UE5, it would have shown the deficiencies of both PS5 versions when the Xbox versions ran better. Just like Space Marine 2, Alan Wake 2 and more.

[@VGFightSchool]

Potatoes carry the industry.

[@Jinkyuu1999]

A potato than run Indiana Jones! Yeah nice try buddy!

[@wolfrenflame1832]

You can say likewise to those that have time to post. They should take their own advice and play some games. What a bunch of M's.