Vibration Therapy for Osteoporosis (Episode 1 of 3) | Interview with Dr. Clinton Rubin from Marodyne

[@TheMommom8]

Thank you for this interview. Looking forward to the next parts. I have had a total knee replacement but also have osteoporosis. I’m concerned if a vibration machine would negatively affect the knee replacement. Do you have any knowledge of the two together? Thanks so much for all you do! Much appreciate it!❤

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad you found it helpful! Parts 2 & 3 will be published next week and I should answer your questions relating to surgery history!

[@TheMommom8]

@@Dr_DougLucas Thank you

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for your support.@@TheMommom8

[@gaa4142]

Can we see the vibration plate??

[@sbrink1]

When I am using this device I systematically engage all muscles in this process, otherwise they would just flop around

[@marinagordiyenko9727]

"...Cells themselves become couch potatoes" (if you don't stimulate them by exercising) - this really struck me! Great discussion! What a knowledgeable Doctor! I liked that he kept repeating that exercise is still the first, the best, and foremost. Thank you!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes, very important! Thank you for your support!

[@nesanesa9547]

Wooo yes.....the coach is my enemy BEGONE... 78 yo listening lieing on my back legs in the air on the floor....SHAKING MY LEGS VIGOROUSLY THEN REST THEN SHAKE MY ARMS REPEAT TWICE!! I HAVE NO IDEA OF THE BENEFITS HOWEVER WAKES ME UP.... ANY COMMENTS?

[@sl4983]

​That's an exercise? @@nesanesa9547

[@flameofthewest6196]

I have the marodyne plantform and have been using it for the last few months. I know it's pricey, but so is a broken hip and the inmobility that comes with it. To me, that is more than a fair tradeoff. Dr. Rubin is the real deal, and the research shows liv has a multitude of benefits, far beyond bone health. Thanks for interviewing him.

[@VickiHernandez-qm6mw]

I also have a marodyne. I know it’s expensive, but I felt it was worth it. Five years from now I don’t want to look back and say, ‘I wish I would have done more to prevent this broken hip’.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

You're welcome!

[@starrynight8007]

@@Dr_DougLucasHello! Dr Lucas, is the device available now??? Thx

[@starrynight8007]

Is the best device = Marodyne ? My 88 yr old mother broke her hip. Thanks

[@flameofthewest6196]

@@starrynight8007the marodyne is tested on frail people with no issues. Might be a good choice.

[@fragranthills]

I was a daily rapid walker and swimmer before 2020. But, 2020 was the Perfecto Storm. Sedentary lifestyle associated with COVID lockdown in CA was followed by an accident and spinal surgery. At 80 and disabled, I would not give myself up to the dumpster of the aged. I decided to research. I bought a Power Plate. Amplitude was too high, even a the lowest setting. Fortunately, I found Dr. Rubin and Marodyne LIV. I purchased his machine. I am now using an indoor rower and an elliptical machine in addition to the Marodine LIV. I now realize that osteoporosis is my biggest enemy. Dr. Show and Dr. Rubin together. What a team! KZbin is a Godsend for those who cannot travel to them. Thank you both for your time and effort. You are saving many from the dumpster.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you so much for sharing all of this. I am glad to hear these videos were helpful to you!

[@wendymccleary1465]

Thank you for sharing

[@sl4983]

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[@lesliecie]

I love my power plate. I got it during Covid use it regularly and do isometrics, weights and yoga on it. I love how I feel after and letting it vibrate to the top of my head for a short period of time. It helps my neck, circulation I my eyes- low pressure glaucoma - and back pain. I usually feel like I have had a lymphatic massage. I am 64 have good muscle development and have osteoporosis. I do a dexa soon. I am hopeful.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I interview Dr. Conviser from PowerPlate next video. Stay tuned for all three!

[@starrynight8007]

@@Dr_DougLucas. Hi, I don’t have time to listen to all these videos is the suggestion that these plates are effective yes or no. Thx !

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes! I suggest just checking out the summary video if you can :)@@starrynight8007

[@aliwitt2798]

Having osteoporosis, do u recommend the power plate?

[@lesliecie]

Yes, I would recommend it. I recently had my Dexa scan that showed significant improvement in my lumbar spine since 2021. Now to continue doing it and work on other areas.

[@paulettehodges5495]

Interested, but most of us can't afford this particular LIV device. I have watched so many videos on this device and went to purchase one until I saw the price. Give us options that are obtainable by most of us. We spend a lot of time on education regarding bone health to find out at the end of the lecture that its not something we can't afford. Surely there must be more affordable options!

[@pamelag.00]

Hello Paulette. It’s not that I could afford mine, but I figured I couldn’t afford NOT to have one.

[@lindakautzman7388]

It is ridiculous to offer this long commercial without offering affordable machines..I have a vibration machine for under $100.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

HI everyone in this thread! Please recognize that this is not an advertisement. I don’t make any money off of these devices. However, the two leaders in the space are Marodyne and PowerPlate. They are different and I wanted to deliver some fair discussion around the differences. Be careful with less expensive versions as they may not deliver consistent mechanics and you may not see the benefits or possibly even see an increased risk of injury.

[@pamelag.00]

Thank you Dr Doug. I’m enjoying the series.

[@helenaquin1797]

I have often wondered whether the Thumper Sport Massager off Amazon can do something like this. I find it helps with spine pain and often wonder if it may simulate stimulation in the bone similar to what brisk walking might do (but far kess stress on the spine.)

[@dianeleirer9878]

It’s my wish that we could get more testimonials in this comment section from people using the Marodyne LiV that they have been able to reverse osteoporosis , especially in the spine.

[@pamelag.00]

I Don’t like sending people elsewhere on a channel but the NHS in England gives money towards these because they do have testimonials. KZbin channel is My Bones/Marodyne Liv Also saw Sarah Meeks, a physical therapist specializing in osteoporosis for many many years, say that the Marodyne Liv improved her osteoporosis 12%! I have my DEXA in April- hoping to have good results! I have a Marodyne

[@jacquesmertens3369]

Just check PMID 25581217, to which Dr. Rubin also contributed, published in 2015. No significant difference between low intensity vibration and placebo. It's probably not the answer you want to hear. But at least it's an answer.

[@austintone]

Exactly!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

We are going to have a follow up video pointing out that Dr Rubin’s findings have not been duplicated in any study. It may be helpful for BMD but there are other more effective options as the research will indicate and my two future videos will demonstrate.

[@pamelag.00]

Thank you Doctor Doug! Looking forward to it

[@silviadamen8847]

I’ve been using the LifePro vibration plate which is under 1G, (and only $200!). It feels SO good, and I think it not only helps with my osteoporosis, but my whole body stiffness and lower back issues. It just moves things around inside and among the dozens of Biohacking items I have, it’s one of my favorites!! Thanks for confirming the benefits with this video!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this! Glad you enjoyed this video!

[@AnnaGavey]

Thank you for this talk. Dr Doug I would love you to unpack the main points for us please. Quite difficult to get the takeaway facts.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Watch all three videos. I summarize in the last one!

[@vickymcmahan8600]

We have one more day left to purchase the MarodyneLIV at a $200 January discount. I'm really hoping Part 3 gets posted today or tomorrow. Please? I'd love more input before I drop a lot of cash.@@Dr_DougLucas

[@KBeMaybe]

Very helpful discussion! The more I read and watch videos on bone health, the more familiar I become with the vocabulary, the more I learn about how I can ( 🙏) reverse my osteoporosis. Thanks for all your hard work in the field and for sharing such useful information.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you! I appreciate those kind words. Keep listening and watching! If you haven’t consider joining our masterclass, bone foundations course or HealthSpan Nation for more direct and condensed access.

[@JW-ug5vq]

Thank you, Dr. Doug for this interview. Could you do a follow-up video on your perspective of this interview. I value and trust your thoughts and judgement.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

On it's way this week! There are actually three in the series.

[@sheryl3268]

Excellent interview! Thanks for letting it go long, I would watch more too. (Although, admittedly, I am a bit nerdy with the scientific literature). I have already looked at much of his research, and that of others on this topic, and got a Marodyne LiV for myself. I've been using it once daily since Jun 13, 2023. I don't know if it's helping my BMD as I haven't had a bone DXA since I started and have only had 1 set of BTM labs (P1NP & CTX) so fat, which was after I started. I still love it either way. It feels like a massage now that I've gotten used to it. The first session was surprisingly invasive feeling as I thought people said they didn't feel ot much. I felt it everywhere, and it was different than those ones that make you feel like you're on an amusement ride. I actually wasn't sure what I thought of it. The next session was fine as I wasn't caught by surprise. It helps any sore muscles feel better and for me to self-align my spine. No, it doesn't do the alignment, just helps my muscles and other things (tendons, ligaments, etc) warm up so I can move to align things. I have wanted to do more LiV sessions (every 3 hrs when awake, whether I am working out otherwise or not, and maybe after or before a workout occasionally), but wasn't able to find if that was okay. Good to know he thinks it (Marodyne LiV) is safe up to 4hrs a day (which is much more than I was considering). My husband uses it too, but not daily like me. He says he thinks it is good for him. He has good bone density (+2 T-score), but feels it helps him in other ways. One thing is digestion mechanics. He says it seems to help with peristalsis. I forget what else he likes about it.

[@magpiegirl3783]

My understanding having seen numerous interviews with Dr Rubin, is that 10 minute duration a few times across the day at least 3 hours apart is the way to go. If you want to exercise for general health, that can be done before or after the Marodyne but if your exercise routine is specifically for bone, he suggested that it should be 2 to 3 hours before or after the Marodyne. This is because the 10 minute stimulation is the max time to stimulate the bone cells and after that there is no benefit, but they can be stimulated again a few hours later. He says 3 hours apart because in one experiment they performed, they found that previously stimulated cells were stimulated again after 3 hours. He has also stated that 1, 10 minutes session is enough to get some benefit. I do a Marodyne in the morning before a shower and one at night before bed. During the day, I am doing either general or bone-specific exercises. Hope that helps. BTW, your first experience of the Marodyne sounds a little odd. Maybe you have a greater sensitivity, but the vibration is not invasive or unsettling. I hope it yields good results for you.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thanks @magpiegirl, well said.

[@sheryl3268]

Yes, those are my impressions too. My thoughts were (and plans now are) to do Marodyne LiV for bone, and other workouts for other health benefits, allowing them to overlap the bone refractory period.. hoping they don't compromise each other but rather compliment. When the other workouts involve heavy muscle resistance or intense cardio I skip the nearest Marodyne session. I have already increased my sessions from just in the morning to between 2 and 4 times a day (3 or more hrs apart). The 4 times seems to be working well for an active recovery day from other more intense exercises so I'm only doing very light cardio and/or mobility and stretching that recovery day. On days I go intense I'm keeping Marodyne to once or twice (morning and evening). And, of course, sleep is a biggie and I've been focusing on increasing the quality through consistency, better timed hydration, and addressing overtraining, learning how to avoid overtraining to begin with using tech.

[@janinehechter8396]

Awesome discussion thank you Dr. Doug. I've listened to a few interviews with Prof. Rubin from a few years back and find the info & experiences he imparts super insightful. It's really worth the time to listen to him so thank you for doing an 'updated' interview with him. Anecdotally, 90% of the time, one can spot a jar of Skippy hiding behind Prof. Rubin in his office. 😊

[@Dr_DougLucas]

haha, that’s funny. Make sure you watch all three videos in this series to get the full picture.

[@GrandmaMaeCorporation]

This was so very informative. Thank you to both Doctors for bringing this forth. I loved how complete the complexity of the explanations were offered. WELL DONE!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you! Glad you found it helpful!

[@marysteinborn6079]

Thank you for this interview. I did learn new things and found it informative. The one thing I would have liked to hear at the begininning is that Marodyne is a for-profit company and Dr. Rubin is its founder, so he does have a financial interest in the sale of this platform. I mention this specifically because he really slams the competitor product Power Plate, implying there is a 10g force with it and it might knock your head off. I may be paraphrasing. A lot of research has been conducted with the Power Plate and devices with similar parameters. There are differences between Power Plate and Marodyne, specifically with amplitude and adjustability of Hz, and each has its place. VT007 that I use can be continuously adjusted from 10 Hz to 40 Hz and has 2 amplitude settings, and believe me, my head doesn't fly off at the Hi amplitude setting at around 30-35 Hz. It sounds like Dr. Rubin is to be highly respected for his work and research, but his criticism of Power Plate must be taken with a grain of salt. Their research is to be respected as well.

[@magpiegirl3783]

Look, fair enough comment but I feel I would like to respond for the possible benefit of other post readers. It should have been clarified that Dr Rubin does have a financial interest in the Marodyne. It came about after his extensive research and I think he holds the patent on it. His comments regarding Powerplate and other high intensity plates is relative to the potential dangers of high vibration and/or long term exposure to vibration as has been researched for many years especially in relation to the use of machinery and equipment in the workplace. It is a very well established fact that vibration IS a high risk to health in certain situations and for that reason the ISO have standards relating to things like hertz, amplitude, duration, etc. The problem for the high intensity plates is that they are not regulated - I am not aware of any of these devices that say they meet ISO standards for use. The Marodyne does meet the ISO standards and is registered as a medical device. You say that you are able to regulate and adjust your particular machine - and that is a feature of most, but whether people actually understand what they are doing in making self adjustments is another issue. I think you would also find that most manufacturers of these devices list osteoporosis as a condition contraindicated for use. In relation to the research behind Powerplate, I don’t be;I’ve they have specifically conducted research on their machine and its outcome for bone improvement but I do know that there has been a lot of research on “whole body vibration” using such devices as Powerplate. The outcomes of that research is mixed with conclusions that they do improve bone density and that they have no impact on bone density. I was interested to read that in most of those research papers, they did use the settings at 30 to 40hz. I don’t remember the amplitude or the measurement of g force which is central to Dr Rubin’s point. Above 1g force is potentially very dangerous and until the vibration machines are regulated against scientific proof, we’re being left with tricky decisions to make. Dr Rubin is correct in saying that m,any of the devices do operate at much higher hertz and g force than is safely recommended by the ISO, so I take issue with your comment about taking his comment on the Powerplate with a grain of salt. Yes, it was an exaggeration used to illustrate a point. I have personally suffered vertigo from using power plates in a gym environment. The Marodyne unit does not “shake” you, as do most of the other plates. It sends vibration through you. So my thinking is that the vibration itself might be regulated to minimise harm but the actual shaking could lead to some nasty consequences such as detached retina, percussive brain injury (over time) and possible fractures of the spine. Given that you can fracture an osteoporotic spine by just turning over in bed, it is not surprising that manufacturers have that contraindication clause in their info kits. Vibration for exercise has been around for a long time.Vibration for treatment is a whole other ball game. My personal advice would be for people with osteo of the spine to not use power plates of any type but if they must, seek information on the most suitable setting.

[@magpiegirl3783]

His comments relating to Power Plate and other high intensity machines is relative to the extent of the vibration especially above 1g force, which is determine to be potentially dangerous. His criticism of high intensity machines is not to be taken with a grain of salt ... it acts as a warning of the potential dangers that vibration can have at high intensity or duration based on research used by ISO for determining vibration standards. Marodyne meets those standards and high intensity machines remain unregulated in that area. It would be better for the high intensity machine manufacturers to demonstrate compliance with vibration standards. Also of note is that not all of the research on whole body vibration using high intensity machines has been positive. The results have been mixed. Especially interesting is that some of the research was done using the machines within the 30 to 40hz range (not sure of the amplitude or duration) so may account for any positive outcomes. The high intensity machines require the user to regulate the machine, which is probably not a good idea given the user's lack of understanding of the process. High intensity machines cause the body to shake, where the low intensity machine sends a vibration through the body without the body and head shaking.

[@marysteinborn6079]

Full disclosure: I have no financial interest whatsoever in any whole body vibration platform. That said, I feel a few clarifications to the video and the above comment are needed. 1. The Marodyne LIV, Power Plate, VT007, and VT003F are all linear mode high frequency, low amplitude models. 2. The Marodyne LIV is the only model with an amplitude around one-fifth of a millimeter. The others have settings closer to 2 mm at minimum and frequency settings that include 30 Hz. 3. The Marodyne LIV is undoubtedly the safest for anyone with hip or knee replacement or other implants. It is also the most straightforward for anyone who doesn't understand how to adjust settings and just wants to step on it and go. 4. It is a mistake to say that there are only 2 kinds of whole body vibration platforms out there, the Marodyne LIV and the "High intensity" ones. The Power Plate is not an example one to refer to as a "High intensity" platform. A better example would be an oscillatory model that sells in the $100 range with a frequency of 15 Hz or so. Looking at the specs of the Power Plate on paper, the 50 Hz 4 mm amplitude setting is one I probably would not use, but the 30 Hz and 2 mm setting linear mode is very mild and not "high intensity".

[@msplateaugal]

Dr Clinton Rubin is the founder of Marodyne Liv. I tried to find independent trials supporting what he claims and could not. When I asked the company for such evidence, they provided several papers, but after reading them carefully, I found they did not support the claims. I am a professor at a top university, with an emphasis on research in math and science, and am comfortable reading papers like this.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great thread everyone! Take a look at our follow up video on powerplate devices as well my conclusion video on what we are now recommending for patients.

[@hookedonherbs3825]

I was 280 pounds with Lipedema. Lupus and several other autoimmune. When I started using my plate. I had to use 2 knee braces and a neck brace and go for 30 seconds twice a day. 7 years later I use 5-6 times a day for 10 min. I still have osteoporosis, but function much better . It is only one of many of my daily therapies. But it is one of my favorite.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@Kwize652]

Did it any effect on Lipedema , appearance ?and weight loss?

[@adelinematusiak693]

This is interesting but checking the device its cost is 3200.00. I wonder if there is a less expensive device. Love this video. Very informative re these vibration plates. Don’t know if I would ever use one at this time. Thank you again.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for the kind comment! There are less expensive versions. Before you buy wait to watch part 2 and 3.

[@ElizabethJackson-kh1th]

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[@dianespies3104]

Power Fit vibration machine less costly

[@waveofthefuture3717]

Great lecture. I have heard him once before but Dr. Doug you certainly added some great questions and the answers were informative. Thank you.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you!

[@kathleen2020]

I have watched several videos about this device and this video was excellent. I just wish this particular device wasn’t so expensive.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Understood. Watch all three to make sure you get the full picture.

[@marksiljander5874]

Dr Rubin is brilliant. Listened to him several times. Only problem~ difficult to find applicable takeaway.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

That's a common comment! The third of our series on this topic will be the summary. You may find that helpful!

[@MargaretBruno]

I disagree. Dr Rubin filled in gaping holes of information that translate to new behaviors.

[@meatdog]

I have a whole body vibration platform and haven't been consistent in using this expensive tool. This will get me back on it everyday. Thanks for the reminder.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@janesmith506]

First time I have heard of these devices. I'll be watching episodes 2 and 3. I love your guest's advice to get up off the couch and start moving as the number one thing to do.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes! Thank you for watching!

[@juliehillebrand3920]

I exercise regularly at 77. I grew up in “ KENNEDY PRESIDENCY “ generation. He was a physical fitness president. So we grew up up from childhood very physically active. The generation now i worry about a lot. This younger generation mostly exercise their hands/ thumbs and fingers. All the hand held devices gaming. And many are serious “ COUCH POTATOES “. There is also an obesity epidemic problem that is culminating in these young people. So with combination of the lack of exercise and increased waist lines I fear for their health and lives.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this, it is scary!

[@sciencenurd3208]

When diagnosed 20 years ago with osteoporosis, I purchased a very expensive (>$8,000) PowerPlate. I used it for several months and my strength improved greatly. However, I had to stop because I developed severe positional vertigo, even with my knees bent. It is now an expensive decoration. I now have a Marodyne LIV and feel it is doing what Dr. Rubin said and no vertigo.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thanks for sharing! I've heard that before about the vertigo issue.

[@jacquesmertens3369]

Dr. Rubin has published a research document that showed no difference between low intensity vibration and doing nothing at all. Your Marodyne LIV falls into the category of 0.3G, described by Dr. Rubin as non-functional (PMID 15040821, published in 2004). What I understand from other viewers and from the title of this video is that in the meantime Dr. Robin is employed by Marodyne. All of a sudden a device described as non-functional by Dr. Rubin himself becomes the device we should all be spending our money on??

[@lauramagnussen3162]

Dr Clinton is a part owner of Marodyne and has always fully disclosed it. He was involved in another company previous to Marodyne that wanted to build at 37 or 38 cycles because it could be made less expensively. He resigned and help startup Marodyne at the frequency he has researched for the last 30 years.His device is recognized by Europe, England and Canada as a device to help treat osteoporosis. Recently the US has certified LiV Platform as a medical device Class 2. He never oversells the device and what it can or can not do. I have extensively researched his background before I brought the LiV Platform. I have used it for less than a month and I am happy with the device,❤

[@lindakautzman7388]

Thanks for this piece of info...The machine being promoted is quite expensive. I purchased a low vibration machine for under $100. I find it useful to exercise on...as it has a timer that helps motivate time spent with weights, squats, etc...​@@jacquesmertens3369

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@jacquesmertens3369 I've reviewed that article. I don't see where he says that the device is "non-functional." The statistical analysis shows value in subgroups of lighter women for spine only. You are correct that there was no difference when the analysis is run as "intent to treat."

[@BadAssElf810]

Are the more affordable vibration plates capable of improving BMD? I cannot afford a $3k device but there are many for sale on Amazon for about $2-300?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I've discussed these with my friends at PowerPlate. The issue is consistency and quality. Are they really delivering what they say they are and how is it being delivered? Also, durability of the machines. I think with these devices you get what you pay for. My fear around the less expensive units is that they may be over delivering impact and cause more harm than good. Watch all three videos before making any decisions! You'll see why after the third one!

[@austintone]

We need to find less expensive models that advertise the same specifications, and take them somewhere to measure the accuracy of those specs. (Return the plate if it does not pass the test.)

[@lindakautzman7388]

​@@austintoneI am happy with my under $100 vibration machine..there is absolutely no reason to spend $4,000. Also very annoying that this long commercial does not address less expensive machines.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@austintone That would be very difficult to do! That's my challenge with less expensive devices is that we don't know what you are really getting.

[@BBurns-vg9om]

Thank you Dr Doug. Thank you for finding out this information and educating us on this product. There is one at the gym I go to ,so I will try this.Thank you. I work out 3 times a week at the Gym and walk at home .

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Make sure to watch all three videos on this topic!

[@deborahshields729]

Thanks for this interview. I would love to know how the research he's been doing with Belinda Beck is coming along. That will be the determining factor for me as to whether or not I will buy one of these. Based on my own experience of using a vibration plate at my chiropractor's office a few years ago, those higher intensity plates are dangerous. I only used her as a few times because I would come away feeling like I was really rattling my brains and I would always get a headache. So I think he is spot on in giving the warning about plates that don't stick to the lower forces.

[@flameofthewest6196]

I as well. Belinda has another study coming out regarding the effects of using liv. Don't know when it will be out.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Stay tuned for the second and third videos in this series! We will discuss PowerPlate style devices and my conclusion on the research in them.

[@susanjohnson7349]

@@flameofthewest6196 i commented on this topic 'above'.., just heard her today, Dr Beck.., speak that the Maradyne did not show bone rebuilding in their recent research. all were supposed, including Dr Rubin who was among those watching over this study. I was discouraged. They are relooking into this result as to why?!

[@Karen-c4n-t6u]

I have a T-8 acute compression fracture (4 weeks ago) at age 81. I don't want kyphoplasty. I also have osteoporosis. Can I use the plate now or how long should I wait? So happy to have found both of you and appreciate your gifts to the world!

[@gemini5635]

I'm a 66 year old female and was diagnosed with osteoporosis in 2018, and I purchased the Marodyne LiV almost a year ago for $4000.I've been using it daily for 10 minutes, as that is interestingly what the countdown timer is pre-set to when the device is turned on. I will know if it is helping when I go for another dexa after the 1 year mark of using it. The only issue I have is that at 5'2" and 106 lbs., the Marodyne stops vibrating between every 10-30 seconds, which is frustrating, and only resumes vibrating when I shift my body weight around to get it going again, which was recommended by the company.I discovered recently that it stays on for longer periods of time if I hold a 2 lb. weight in both hands. The only other point I'd like to make is that finding a hard surface to place it on, and out of the way because it's large, is easier said than done, as it is quite heavy to move.

[@sheryl3268]

Did they ask you your weight when you bought it? I don't know if they do anything about the weight, but I weight 110, sometimes 109, or 107.. and am 5'2" too.. and haven't had that problem of it stopping. I have had an issue with it not recognizing that I have stepped on, so doesn't start. That seems to happen only if I have moved it between sessions. What I did was step off and on again, and if that didn't work I'd turn it off, wait 60 secs, turn it back on again and wait for it to say GO and then END and then go to the standby dot before stepping back on again. Now I have a place for it and keep it off when not using it, wait for the GO, END, and standby before stepping on and haven't had any issues. One time i the middle of a session I had to step off to get the phone in the other room, and it kept going. It is supposed to pause when you step off, but apparently didn't notice (due to lighter weight?) My husband weighs more than you or I and hasn't had these issues, so it is probably the weight.. although he doesn't use it daily like I do. I love using it though. The timing of starting hasn't been lomg enough to compare tests to see if it's helped my bones.. but I love it for other things than my bones anyway.

[@chantage16]

Thank you. Have you seen improvement on your DEXA?

[@magpiegirl3783]

The Marodyne unit is very sensitive to your standing position on the plate. If you move forward or backwards on your feet, it will stop until you readjust. Perhaps you are not aware that your body is making small movements? You could try holding on to a wall or bench whilst on the machine to see if that keeps you steady in place? Otherwise, I’d check with the retailer in case there is a fault.

[@gemini5635]

My husband ordered it for me, and the authorized distributor asked for my weight but seemed to be concerned about being too heavy and said my weight was fine. My husband weighs over 200 lbs., and it stays on for him for the entire time, which is what led us to conclude it was my low weight. Many times the device does not automatically start when I step on until I shift my weight, and, again, starts vibrating when my husband steps on, so we think it may not be calibrated for a low weight. However, it also sometimes continues to vibrate and count down when I get off midway. We'll now be contacting the distributor, who also services the Marodyne, to see if these issues can be resolved.

[@gemini5635]

As to an update on my bone scan, I haven't had a dexa since 2018, and I went for a bone density ultrasound in 2019, which resulted in a similar determination. I am now looking into R.E.M.S., or Radiofrequency Echographic Multi Spectrometry, which is described as a 'non-ionizing technology that evaluates the bone status at axial skeletal sites by analyzing raw ultrasound signals'.

[@gordonhalstead9846]

Dr C Ruben thanks for the best presentation 👍 ❤😊for osteoporosis and the whole body vibration

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@maryjanejones6882]

This information was very helpful. I was diagnosed with osteopenia in my 50's. My current age (late 60's), I also now have osteoporosis. My treatment initially started with Boniva, I have now progressed to Prolia shots. (which my progress in the past 2 years is slow and my doctor has mentioned additional meds I am not fully convinced I want to start.) I became a personal trainer 3 years ago, so I am very interested in looking at potential alternatives, not only for myself, but information I can also share with my clients, which led me to you and Dr. Clinton Rubin (via Margaret Martin). I am definitely seeking out potential alternatives to treatment and more information moving forward for a more holistic approach. Thank you again for this very informative video, and I will also check out your website community.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you so much for sharing all of this. It sounds like you could benefit from the next free Bone Foundations Masterclass we have coming up if you have not attended one before. You can find more information here -->www.optimalhumanhealth.com/build-bone

[@rendalutz534]

@OptimalBoneHealthwithDrDoug thank you for doing this interview. I am the one who months ago shared research with you about this man, his research and the Myrodyne. I would so appreciate if you would also do a video with the creators of the Juvent. That's a micro impact plate vs the low impact plate.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I have a series of 3 in this category! See how you feel about the next two!.

[@susankovacs8678]

❤Prevention is a must. Vibration is not new, yet this science is. Brilliant video, thank you 🙏

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching, I am glad you enjoyed it!

[@babybaby964]

I found this really interesting and helpful advice. Thanks so much 😊

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful!

[@adrianaolivieri241]

What a great talk! Congratulations! Is there any contraindication fr controlled epilepsy?

[@magpiegirl3783]

From previous lectures I’ve seen by Dr Rubin, there are absolutely no contraindications for anything, but it is still worthwhile getting confirmation. You can actually contact a Marodyne retailer or even Dr Rubin himself.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

The vibration is so mild in this device it is well tolerated. Part 2 and 3 go further into other models.

[@austintone]

@@Dr_DougLucas Can’t wait to hear part 2 and 3! My husband and I both have osteoporosis and would like to find a less expensive model that has the same specs.

[@jeanettehuggins4964]

I have just pulled my Powerfit plate out from under the bed. I don't know anything about Gs so l'm going to use on lowest setting. My last Bone Density Scan close to the cusp of Osteoporosis so l'll try anything. Here goes.. fingers crossed.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing!

[@juliestrauss7259]

Thank you for this info. I've just been diagnosed with "bilateral sacroiliitis with advanced lower lumbar osteoarthrosis". Time will tell where it fits in as I learn more. (South Africa)

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this. Glad you are here!

[@wendymccleary1465]

Would love to hear a simple recap at the end for the lay person. Thanks!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! There are keynotes in the description and you should be able to click directly to the conclusion at the end :)

[@jazlally4144]

Great Interview got tremendously useful info - Bravo

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful!

[@sojournerhouse]

Why do they have to make it so expensive? This price is out of reach for many.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Good quality products cost more to manufacture. Take a look at all three videos in this series before making any decisions about purchasing one.

[@melissaarnstein37]

Can you please sum it up because I’m more confused than before on the best protocol for vibration.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

We have a 3 video series on this topic. Wait for the 3rd video if you want the summary!

[@1voiceworks]

I hear mixed messages. I recently bought a LifePro vibration plate and think it helps low back pain as well as runner's knees. Yet Prof. Rubin also suggested even the low setting could trigger neurological disorders including dementia. Would bone still be built from sitting on a chair with only the feet and lower legs on the plate? Would the brain be protected? Could lower back bone and hips still be built from the addition of the vibration plate?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Listen to part 3. I think you’ll find I dispell this rumor and his concerns effectively.

[@Wyomi]

What about some more information on the consumer vibration plates? Not everybody can afford the high price of the professional ones, and not everybody is in dire straits that needs to purchase one. Some of us would like to get a vibration plate at a reasonable cost, it will be helpful, but not break the bank. The consumer ones have to have some benefits? How can one know if a $400 plate is better than a $200 plate? What amplitude and frequency should we be looking for? What combination of amplitude and frequency?

[@lindakautzman7388]

I have a vibration for under $100..low intensity.

[@Wyomi]

How long have you had it? Do you have any evidence of improvement? What settings do you use?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Please watch the third in this series to see my recommendations for other plates.

[@petra2912]

The only bit I don’t understand is, one always hears of high impact as necessary for bone stimulation. Jump off carts etc, yet here, less g’s than when walking? What am I missing?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Take a look at all three videos in this series and you’ll understand the big picture.

[@danafewell]

The problem i have with vibration is tendonitis. I developed great pain behind my knees, maybe i overdid it, but I had to stop. It did however help my balance and my ankles greatly.I had broken my ankle and was still struggling to balance on that foot.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing your experience with this

[@ellenduty2058]

I do OsteoStrong but also do resistance as they recommend and offer to me. I do not do the vibration because I have vertigo and afraid it may start an episode.

[@magpiegirl3783]

Absolutely do not do the Osteostrong vibration if you have vertigo. They use a powerplate at high g rate and you have to bend your knees to try to stop it going to your head. That is still not enough. I had a terrible experience with Osteostrong vibration plate and suffered vertigo that took a few weeks to settle. I would never go to Osteostrong nor use a powerplate because the vibration is actually harmful as explained here. The power plates on the market are not graded according to the ISO standards and I personally think they should be. The Marodyne does comply with the ISO standards.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Agreed, vertigo or any inner ear issue may be exacerbated by the machines.

[@gordonhalstead9846]

Thanks 😊 Dr Doug for your podcast KZbin channel ❤

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@susans7091]

Are the small less expensive machines also useful? What about if you have artificial knees and 1 hip?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Less expensive devices concern me for two reasons. First, they use a teeter totter style machine for the most part. This causes uneven distribution of force and can result in unpredictable results. Secondly, they generally will not be durable. These devices result in a lot of wear and tear.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Regarding joints. I address this in the video but in short you’ll have to ask your surgeon.

[@happynjoyousnfree]

Love this thank you so much

[@c.dyanne7388]

Interesting, informative and helpful. I'm a new viewer and am thankful to have found you.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful! Glad you found the channel :)

[@vickijohnson9367]

I would like both of the doctors to look into and address the bone loss associated with SARS (that is severe no matter what the age, losing up to 25% of bone mass). Studies, even those that are 18 years out, show that osteoporosis is the most relevant long term complication, not improving after SARS resolves. For Dr. Rubin, what is the underlying cellular mechanism that does not return to a normal function. Since this manipulated Clade is now with the world, going round and round and round, trying to address this side effect is going to be as huge as it’s impact on kidney failure, identified by Washington University in St. Louis. Thank you for all the good information.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@francescrocker3878]

Thank you so much for this informative interview.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@ritaschultz6859]

I have been researching this And the best way to stimulate your bone is to Take a walk, walking from what I understand vibrates Your bones .

[@bluewaters3100]

I hope you' re right...

[@patriciadrank6543]

Just not enough. It helps, but not enough

[@loo8458]

You need to do stomping in place with the emphasis on the heels of your feet in 25 to 50 sets for vibration to bones

[@ritaschultz6859]

@@loo8458 can't stomp in place I have a rod where my ankle was , Arthrities chewed my ankle away That is why it collapsed ! I couldn't walk for 7mo Surgery , therapy , had to sit around . I had my oseopena Under control until that happen , what I did , to get that under control , fed and watered horses , I carried 32 gallons of water to them Three times a day ! I went and got a dexa scan the Doctor called me , and said I had everything under control , after my foot ankle Broke , things turned for the worst . I'm under attack again . I'm thinking if signing up again for horse care , but I found these two horses I was caring for on the side of the road starving To death in some pasture No food no water ! I took care of them fatten them up I even had people stopping by , offering to help me out financially to care for them , Thoes two horses , God , help us both ! I miss them 🐎 so I got to get going again , I use to feed our ducks at our neighbor hood pond , but I can't get safely into the pond basin to help them . I'm thinking about putting ankle weighs on that will increase weight as I walk about during the day

[@dianeleirer9878]

Walking impacts the hips, but you need to do more if you have osteoporosis in the spine.

[@rosemaryjohnstone3399]

I hope you will cover whether it is okay for somebody with high blood pressure and a pacemaker after ordering one two times now and then getting the paperwork with it it says not to be used with somebody with high blood pressure or a person with a pacemaker. I hope it gets addressed.

[@dianeleirer9878]

Did the paperwork explain why it’s not recommended for people with high blood pressure?

[@asr9217]

​@@dianeleirer9878sometimes that warning means uncontrolled high blood pressure but if it well controlled the warning may not apply ... But you'd need to check it out ...

[@rosemaryjohnstone3399]

No

[@Dr_DougLucas]

They will always list anything that could put them at risk. These disorders were likely contraindications for the studies too which is why they didn't have any issues in the studies.

[@Healthify360]

Fascinating. Thanks for a great interview.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@MarthaIBrand]

Thank you so much for this interview. This is very interesting!🙏🏼

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@salleone6387]

Thanks for this video and your persistence in getting the answers to your questions. I went to pubmed to look up pelvic floor dysfunction ( I missed it if you answered this) and vibration therapy. Since so many people who have osteoporosis also have PFD, thought there might be some data out there. When I checked on Pubmed I find the protocol for the VIBMOR study currently being done in Australia/New Zealand (DOI 10.1186/s13063-021-05911-4). Prolapse is one the secondary outcomes they are tracking. Do you know when the study findings will be published? Since muscles, cartilage, & bones all seem to respond to low g high frequency, would connective tissue tendons and ligaments be any different ?

[@bonniestone2000fyi]

I also need to find this out. Thanks for asking about it! I need to find out if it’s safe for people with the pelvic floor issue.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question and I’m happy you brought it up. I’m not familiar with this study but I agree this is an important thing to learn more about.

[@AndreeB19]

Can you please give me your opinion on the TheraPlate- the plate initially designed for horses and now used on human? Is this in the danger zone or is it beneficial? I have no idea on the power or how it works… thank you and I hope you can clarify for me.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.optimalhumanhealth.com/hsn

[@vanessascott2009]

Bravo for doing this interview! Thank you!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you! Make sure you watch all three videos!

[@vanessascott2009]

@@Dr_DougLucas looking forward to them!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for your support.@@vanessascott2009

[@maryheathermcmunn3799]

Thank you, this has been informative !!!!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful! Make sure you watch all three for the full picture on WBV.

[@susanjohnson7349]

just listened to a report from Onero people[ Bone clinic presumabley on the edge of ideas for rebuilding bone] in Aus. as well as in USA, that the maradyne failed to increase bone of osteoporotic skeletons in their recent research..., to everyone's surprise incuding Dr Rubin's, I understand. The end result was thought to need further research as to why. any comment?? I was on the verge of purchasing one. thanks.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Listen to episode 3 of 3. I agree that his research has not been validated by any other researchers that I’m aware of. I would recommend a higher displacement device like PowerPlate.

[@bicycleann]

Excellent interview this was very interesting

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you!

[@gordonhalstead9846]

Great 👍 presentation for optimal bone health podcast of osteoporosis so knowledgeable and clearly well explained thank you so much for sharing your professional brilliant knowledge God bless and more power to you sir Lucy watching your best presentation ❤😊😊

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you so much for your support!

[@Lulu-kt6gr]

I am still confused about what the research says is best for building bone: -Should the frequency be 10, 30, 50? -How large should the amps be? -how large should the G force be? -should it go up and down as well as side to side?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great questions! Checkout The OsteoCollective if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.optimalhumanhealth.com/osteocollective

[@deetin3658]

I do it every single day exercise. And I do the vibration played every day the fifteen minutes on number eight

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thanks for sharing.

[@elenanyhan4490]

I have a Power Plate and have been using it, but then I tripped in a tight space and fell onto a pointy rock, fracturing my sternum. Man, that sucker hurt! I'm a month out, and waiting to get back on it. I shakes like a cement mixer (and yes, I keep my knees bent). There's no way I could have kept on doing it while this sternum is healing. It would have killed an ordinary woman! :)

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Im sorry to hear that! Thank you for sharing this

[@newchanceanimalantics8096]

I am 66 years now. About 10 years ago I was diagnosed with hyper-mobility Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. I have always been active until 2013 when I had a lumbar Laminectomy @ L5 S1, with hardware and fusion. hEDS is the loss of collagen. A month ago, I was diagnosed with Osteoporosis. I love walking and walk about a mile a day with my dogs. I live alone and do all the up keep on my home. My Doc put me on risedronate 35 mg, once per week. After my back surgery my surgeon said my bone was almost spongy, wet and soft. How can hEDS affect Osteoporosis and is this medication my best course of action?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@BadAssElf810]

Some people are recommending stomping to create some impact. This is something I could do everyday on my basement floor. What can you say about this ?

[@LifeIsWonderful675]

Yes I have just started on "Marching" exercises where I have to come down hard on my heals. That's why I thought I would like to hear about Vibration plates.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I haven’t seen good data on this. We are creating an impact program now so I’ll know more soon. I’ve also seen protocols with heel drops which seems less traumatic.

[@gordonhalstead9846]

❤❤❤❤😊Dr Doug Lucas's podcast 👌 health presentation the best knowledgeable for people watching the youtube podcast lecture ❤😊

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you so much for your feedback! I greatly appreciate your support!

[@TheAlejandra8814]

I was just diagnosed with osteoporosis,I got my power plate months ago. It's the best thing to do after walking for an hour. My question is can the power plate hurt my degerative disc disease

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout The OsteoCollective if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.optimalhumanhealth.com/osteocollective

[@marydo3175]

Great info, thanks so much!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@marilyn6905]

Still a skeptic about this very expensive equipment. Having used Power Plate & several lesser home versions some years ago now, I agree that they could be hazardous for someone WITH OSTEOPOROSIS due to their greater Amplitude & higher Frequency. Initially,after gripping straps attached to machine base while vibrating THEN experiencing BACK PAIN decided that might negatively impact my spine... & STOPPED using straps. Didn't stop overall until after a cancer bout, as I was concerned that increased lymphatic circulation might facilitate metastasis....not sure whether or not that's so... just decided not to chance it. Also question whether Marodyne really influences how stem cells differentiate. What does NASA actually DO to COMBAT BONE LOSS in it's Astronauts???

[@magpiegirl3783]

Low intensity vibration has been shown to differentiate the cells - that’s the whole point of his research!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Stay tuned for all three videos of this series!

[@lebooshdiaries]

It was long but I enjoyed it. I was doing strength training while listening to the whole interview. Appreciate it very much.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@teresam490]

Because I can workout, is Marodyne still helpful? I've seen some guidelines of using Marodyne and waiting a few hours to exercise is good, but it's not easy to have that time as a working person. Is the 3-6 hrs a magic number. It would be more like 10 hrs between use of the device and working out.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Take a look at our third video. My opinion on Marodyne is that it's likely only helpful for those with severe osteoporosis and only on the spine.

[@deetin3658]

I enjoyed it immensely thank you

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching, glad you enjoyed this!

[@jaynepower4330]

I would love to know more about Tx of patients in the supine position. Now 5 mins out from the end & hoping for elaboration! Love this show, thank you

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad you enjoyed this, thank you for watching!

[@janetpatel3096]

We have the Noblerex machine. We bought it because my husband is diabetic and thought it would be good when he couldn't walk during the winter. Since then, he has had an ischemic stroke in his brain stem in 2018 and a five bypass surgery for his heart in 2022. He just had two balloon opened, so n his thigh and calf and one stent above his knee. I have read he must not use the total body vibration machine. Is that true? We have not been using it for years but thought to begin again. Is the worry for clots to break off?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this, unfortunately I cannot provide specific recommendations through this platform, I would need to know a little bit more about him as well. Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@dianepistor1797]

I'm confused...is the vibration machine dangerous or not for osteoporosis

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! Checkout the second video on my channel and the conclusion video called "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION". I discuss this further.

[@juliagulia2002]

I was not able to ascertain with certainty whether it would be safe for me to use with a 3 level cervical spine fusion and hardware.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

You’ll have to ask your surgeon.

[@g.e.boroush5176]

Very interesting interview with lots of information. And will definitely watch all 3 presentations. When does the next one drop? I want to keep my eye peeled for it. Even though I subscribed, I don't get notices for some reason - very frustrating. Thank you for your great information.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

The third episode will drop on the 17th. Thank you for watching!

[@alexandermayakovsky6550]

Super presentation! Thanks.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@lms2379]

This was a very authentic report of vibration plates-no sales pitch here.

[@lindakautzman7388]

Seemed like one long sales pitch to me...there are much less expensive options

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you @lms2379. I’m not sure how people keep seeing the sales pitch side of this! I’m not selling anything. Dr Rubin may be motivated to sell his product but I don’t hear much of a pitch here. We are simply discussing his extensive experience.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you @lms2379. I’m not sure how people keep seeing the sales pitch side of this! I’m not selling anything. Dr Rubin may be motivated to sell his product but I don’t hear much of a pitch here. We are simply discussing his extensive experience.

[@cherlgolja5402]

Question ? Will it loosen joint replacement Parts , or any artificial body parts???????

[@patriciadrank6543]

No

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I discuss this in all three videos. As an orthopedic surgeon this is very relevant to me! Always check with your surgeon as not all joints are the same. Joints that are cemented in may not be as amenable to joints that require bony ingrowth. Joint replacement was not a contraindication in any of the studies I reviewed.

[@jacquesmertens3369]

Spoiler alert: Dr. Rubin is a nice guy but even after 1 hour he still hasn't answered the question whether or not we should be standing on a power plate. On several occasions he says it's harmful, and at the end he says it's beneficial. Somewhere in the middle (41:27) he says we should ask the manufacturer. 27:26 "If you are silly enough to stand on a power plate" , 52:17 "yes, we have shown that vibration is good for muscle and good for bone" Dr. Rubin, please make up your mind. I've done my best to sit through this entire session and I'm still none the wiser.

[@sheryl3268]

He is a researcher, and most (good) researchers are like that in order to be specific. If you go back and watch the whole thing it should become more clear to you that he is making a distinction between specifics of vibration, as that distinction matters, and matters a lot. Most vibration plates are too strong, however he is claiming his clinical trials, etc have identified not only a safe range, but the most ideal strength for healing and health.

[@jacquesmertens3369]

@@sheryl3268 He has published 2 clinical trials and 6 randomized controlled trials. The most relevant is a publication from 2015, with data from a trial with a power plate at 0.3G at 37 hZ, which showed no difference between the treated group and placebo. A trial published in 2017 showed clinically relevant differences, but there was no indication of the frequency and intensity used. If there is a safe range and ideal strength, I'd like to see it published. In the absence of such information this video is just a nice chat, but without any practical use.

[@vickybuchanan7659]

He has a vested interest in promoting the maridyne rather than the less expensive models

[@sheryl3268]

​@@jacquesmertens3369I'm not sure what source you are using to definitively state that Dr. Rubin has published 2 clinical trials and 6 RCTs, as PubMed is showing at least 15 clinical trials at least 8 of which are RCTs of various kinds. Additionally he has published literally hundreds of articles on various other studies he has done or been involved with. Unsafe levels for vibration have been identified by a multitude of sources, and it is generally thought that forces under 1G (where the low intensity distinction line is) are safe, while those over 1G are considered high intensity. What particular level above 1G is the line between safe and not safe has not been determined for anyone and everyone. What level of high intensity vibration is not safe will depend on the individual's health status and prior conditions. That said the ISO (International Standards Organization) has established and published some levels it considers clearly unsafe for workers. Because the PowerPlate has a range that goes into the high intensities, it is generally thought to be not safe for people with any type of bone fragility, or other condition potentially prone to vibrational damage. In terms of Dr. Rubin's publications and the Power Plate in particular, there is one from 2013 published with two others entitled, "Safety and severity of accelerations delivered from whole body vibration exercise devices to standing adults" that is probably most relevant for your particular question at hand. The discussion includes the text "Two of the three platforms tested, Power Plate and Vibrafit, far exceeded the TLVs established by ISO ISO- 2631, with delivered vibrations not considered safe for even seconds, much less minutes, of daily exposure."

[@sheryl3268]

​​@@jacquesmertens3369well, I have tried to post a response a couple of times, every time it increases the reply count and seems to post, but then disappears... trying this shorter empty one to see what happens... that worked, so editing it to add actual response: I'm not sure what source you are using to definitively state that Dr. Rubin has published 2 clinical trials and 6 RCTs, as PubMed is showing at least 15 clinical trials at least 8 of which are RCTs of various kinds. Additionally he has published literally hundreds of articles on various other studies he has done or been involved with. Unsafe levels for vibration have been identified by a multitude of sources, and it is generally thought that forces under 1G (where the low intensity distinction line is) are safe, while those over 1G are considered high intensity. What particular level above 1G is the line between safe and not safe has not been determined for anyone and everyone. What level of high intensity vibration is not safe will depend on the individual's health status and prior conditions. That said the ISO (International Standards Organization) has established and published some levels it considers clearly unsafe for workers. Because the PowerPlate has a range that goes into the high intensities, it is generally thought to be not safe for people with any type of bone fragility, or other condition potentially prone to vibrational damage. In terms of Dr. Rubin's publications and the Power Plate in particular, there is one from 2013 published with two others entitled, "Safety and severity of accelerations delivered from whole body vibration exercise devices to standing adults" that is probably most relevant for your particular question at hand. The discussion includes the text "Two of the three platforms tested, Power Plate and Vibrafit, far exceeded the TLVs established by ISO ISO- 2631, with delivered vibrations not considered safe for even seconds, much less minutes, of daily exposure."

[@ChrisM-v4v]

Can you use the vibration plate if you have broken bones? I have several slow healing fractures in my foot and severe osteoporosis - is there a way to protect those weak/broken bones?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I would wait for them to heal. Rubin’s research shows that low amplitude devices can speed up healing but there are other devices to consider for that.

[@ChrisM-v4v]

@@Dr_DougLucas Thanks for your response! Would you be able to suggest other devices? Thanks again 🙂

[@mistycater1014]

Thank you so much!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@ahoritaHOY]

This is a shot in the dark that I'll receive a response, but I'll give it a go: Would a LiV plate be safe/appropriate for someone with a CNS disease aka Multiple Sclerosis (R/R)? I've been looking & can't find any contraindications for this type of candidate. Have tried seeking info from doctor but nada. TIA :D

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@Thekattybird]

Does Dr Rubin realize Serena Williams is a spokesperson for Power Plate😂? I learned so much in this interview, even though I listened to Dr Rubin previously. Everyone at my gym turns the Power Plate all the way up to 8!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Interesting! Thank you for sharing this.

[@deetin3658]

I do the vibration plate 15 minutes every single day and I exercise and I swam. I do resistant bands trying to do it the natural way? Try to eat vegetables fruit protein trying to do it the natural way?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@tiffinywilliams5055]

Great information! 😀

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful!

[@debbiestupak9069]

Great info.. I have scoliosis and want to know what exercises are best for me to increase bone density.. I do yoga, walk, started to use stretch bands for upper and lower body strengthening. I use my elliptical machine about once a week and bike ride on occasion. I kayak when able and do yard work in summer. Needless to say I am pretty active. Any suggestions?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I advise consulting with your doctor first on this!

[@rhythmrovers]

I am trying to find a suggested vibration plate- I listened and there is reference to not use VP that are too much in vibration. But I cannot find a a suggested one to purchase. Can you give me a link or such? Thank you

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! If you have not watched the conlusion video for these check that one out. IT is called "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION"

[@Lulu-kt6gr]

Great information!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@JoeyandChristieLoman]

The guest speaker talked over my head. Dr Doug, could you put this in laymen’s terms?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! We have a third video coming out next week that will summarize everything!

[@iconoclast5278]

You're safer with one of the 'Revitive' range of products, which utilises Electrical Muscle Stimulation (EMS) technology,

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thanks for sharing this!

[@katejurd4810]

@OptimalBoneHealthwithDrDoug does this mean that most vibration plates eg the Powerplate and Vibeplate are vibrating at too high a setting and can cause harm. The plate I am using has a range form 20-60, so is this too high? would appreciate your clarification of this, thank you

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Good question, No it does not :)

[@happiness3230]

I'm concerned about eye issues since I've had retinal tears surgery

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing!

[@LSS495]

What if someone has incidentally noted evidence of gallstones (one or more) on an X-ray taken to diagnose an unrelated issue? I have no pain related to them. Is it safe for me to use the Marodyne?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@solutions4tenants141]

Valuable science thank you

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@ramonacasey4749]

Very “scientific” discussion. So, what’s the verdict? Also where can I find Part 2&3 of this series? Can we get some bullet points? So 10 min a day is ok? Bend your knees? Seems there’s a lot of risks involved that users need to watch out for. There’s a powerplate at my lifetime, and even on its lowest setting, it feels like too much in my head. I attend OsteoStrong as I have osteopenia…goodness it’s hard to know what is safe and what isn’t…what works and what doesn’t.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! Yes, checkout the other video on my channel called "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION"