God vs Gays: Gay Conversion Therapy (Part 2/3)

[@vampirebarbie_]

I know they're trying their hardest but the gayness gets me through the screen

[@jessicadaniellepowell8595]

hahahaaahaaaaa

[@helloskinny510]

Exactly. The are extremely gay

[@mohammadalotaibi9197]

lol

[@ravensolos4076]

I love ur pfp lady gagas harley is my current obsession

[@SimplyAwkwardMe]

you can't be gay and christian but you can be homosexual and christian? what? i literally paused the video to be able to process his ignorance

[@fluggert5261]

I know! I probably lost brain cells lmao. wtf

[@James-ck4bg]

I think he means that you can be a homosexual christian and accept your forbidden desires and not practice it, or you can be gay and practice your desires, but you'll be expelled as a christian.

[@tylerjosh5097]

crybaby same what even is this

[@whyworld1]

crybaby ikr such a mind fuck. Hahahahah

[@samrexroat8473]

for real....that makes no sense. o well, just goes to show that dude IS infact as fucking stupid as he seems.

[@Vanessa-fd3mr]

That psychologist makes me feel shame towards my profession. He should have his licensed removed. The video about that weekend camp was just sad.

[@BenDover-ln5gf]

Everything he said was factually and logically correct. I think you need to grow the fuck up and remove your feeling life frame from reality.

[@TheTfroggy912]

He’s actually since passed away. So he’s not “treating” anyone now.

[@colewilliams6623]

Hey Ben, didn't you teachers always tell you to show your work? The idiot not only died, but of the flu no less!

[@bailey-michellelaplante9633]

@bendover I can go and post a bunch of articles and reports and say that they are factually and logically correct, i can write post about my option and say that they are factually and logically correct, and they could still not be correct. you can't change who you love, some camp can't just change that it ridicules to think that. there are many other people who have done research on that matter, but if you did your own you would know that.

[@iel3070]

TheTfroggy912 Halleluhhh

[@dziobak101]

I actually attended this “Journey Into Manhood” weekend years ago. These videos portray it accurately, but omit many of the more disturbing practices led by unskilled, unlicensed, non-professionals. One of the men I attended with ended up committing suicide. One of the founders - Dave Matheson - has now come out as gay and disavowed his harmful practices. Thankfully, I survived and - shocker - I’m still gay and have happily been with my partner for 5 years now. If you are reading this and considering conversion therapy, please know the people running these camps are deeply misguided and ashamed of who they are. You are beautiful just as you are, and your sexuality does NOT need any repairing!

[@dziobak101]

Also, Rich Wyler - the other founder of “People Can Change”, which apparently now calls itself “Brothers Road” after all the scandals, and who is featured in these videos - lived as a gay man for a long time then decided to be a good Mormon boy and marry a woman. He claims to be happily married, and he also happily makes money off of vulnerable, religiously abused, gay men convincing them they can “heal” their sexuality. I’ve seen him get naked and frolic in the woods with other naked men in “non-sexual and healing ways.” Stay away, people!

[@kksanimeandstuffyt6752]

I should still do it because if my parents find out they will shame me and God hates me and finds me disgusting

[@dziobak101]

KK's anime and stuff YT, have you ever thought that your parents might be disturbed and just wrong, or maybe just wacko members of a cult that mean well, but are brainwashed? I promise you that you are not disgusting. I don’t think there is any evidence for the existence of a God, but if there is a God, how could he hate his own creation or find his own child disgusting? That doesn’t make sense. It’s just the brainwashing from your parents’ cult that has you thinking that way... I know, I was in it for years and thought the same way. It has you twisting your mind in knots... but I promise you it’s bullshit. You are awesome, you are beautiful just the way you are. If you’re not already, then soon you will be an adult and can get away from your parents and their cult. There is so much more to life! Being gay is actually AWESOME!!! You’ll have so much fun and meet amazing people and build your own family that loves and accepts you for who you are! Anyone who doesn’t see how wonderful you are - even your own parents - are sick and twisted by their own bigotry. THEY are the ones with the problem... NOT YOU!!! Don’t give in, don’t give up... I promise you it will get better! Much love, brother! ❤️

[@dziobak101]

Anyone who tells you that you can change your sexual orientation is a fool and a liar... these programs damage and hurt people. If you need help, find a qualified, licensed therapist with experience working with LGBTQ youth, and who won’t try and convince you that there’s something wrong with you! And you can always call and talk to someone at: www.thetrevorproject.org

[@cassidyclay463]

Thank you!!!! So many need to hear this and I love that you put this message here for them💕

[@wendysgobbo1638]

You know that a bunch of these guys are hooking up when no one is looking, right??

[@Zachbarclays]

Wendy Sgobbo totally agree

[@SharedHappiness]

Totally my thoughts exactly. They are all just repressed as fuck.

[@glassycreek1991]

"now look more deeply" suddenly i find myself suppressing a smirk

[@heaventoms8759]

Wendy Sgobbo I know right. This makes me want to watch "But I'm A Cheerleader."

[@olgaciornii4385]

Wendy Sgobbo I hope they are

[@alexandriawright5916]

all those tight ass shirts arent ganna hold the gay in

[@jadeseren5806]

Alexandria Wright Best comment 😂😂😂😂

[@angelinagarcia462]

"You can't be gay and Christian, but you can be homosexual and Christian." What a smart man wow I'm 100% cured from my bisexuality well done religion

[@chayichklokata2378]

This ain't religion, this is just some people trying to make money

[@gabrielgiacomelli4922]

As he said that I turned straight

[@hzx6183]

When he said u can't be gay and Christian ... ✨I am driven to heterosexuality✨

[@hurricanemaude795]

You can be an LGBTQ person and believe in Christ at the same time because Christ loves you and welcomes you in eternal life as you are!!!!

[@Rainbient]

I about spit out my coffee when I heard that!!

[@sydneybrooks6038]

"Through all of this, I remained gay, but became suicidal." Heartbreaking 😢

[@nathanjs4207]

😭

[@pinkdiamonds9137]

"Alright, Queens! Let's cure our gayness... WITH A LAVISH MUSICAL, HIT IT, HONEY!"

[@JuliaMarieH]

Right?? Like, theater is one of the gayest activities lmao

[@cruzloera4931]

I’m going straight... to heaven

[@TheBluezaphiron]

Lavish Musical sounds like an excellent drag name lol 😂

[@lauralishes1]

Lol I'm ill in bed and in a lot of pain but your comment made me laugh *ouch

[@Luna-ne3dq]

@@JuliaMarieHngl once I had to do drama for high school, I first went "oh god no" and now I'm at "hey this is actually pretty fun"

[@biancanegrini9853]

I just don't get how people can be so homophobic.. One of the biggest things homophobes say about gay people is "gay is a choice" when if that statement was actually true, then the person themselves could "choose to be gay." So you're actually contradicting your statement by saying that. So that statement is absolutely bull. Gay. Is. Okay. -a loving Christian

[@thefrunter4596]

Wait so how does it contradict? Lol you never explained

[@biitchimballin93]

@@thefrunter4596 its self explanatory

[@effiedoozer7232]

@@thefrunter4596 I think she means it contradicts their nature to be straight, because if they chose to do something gay, they would know that, despite being straight, they're still unchangably straight, just that... they maaajorly fucked up!

[@effiedoozer7232]

@@biitchimballin93 Her wording is missing something...

[@matthewarnold4557]

When did you chose to be straight?

[@gn0stalg1c]

"you can't be christian and gay" just you watch me m8

[@johanvoellner1849]

lol..are you both?

[@gn0stalg1c]

+Johan Voellner yes

[@johanvoellner1849]

well, in this fkd up world, all the best to you

[@dcooper1115]

hell yes! represent! not all people who call themselves Christians are true believers. some are true believers but have been indoctrinated and misinformed. the rest of us love all of humanity and do not judge or condemn people in the LGBTQ community at all. i look forward to a brighter future where all Christians are educated instead of indoctrinated, and show love and kindness to all human beings. it's happening slowly but surely. the media doesn't like to show it, but one day i hope that this won't be an issue to report on anymore. stop the hate, people. only God can tell you where you belong.

[@Robbie1308]

I just love your comment 😄

[@jordan101096]

Well I think that cannot be homophobic and Christian because Jesus taught us to love and homophobia is filled with hatred.

[@thefrunter4596]

Jordan green It’s filled with hatred? You don’t think it’s possible for someone to disagree with homosexuality but not hate gay people?

[@gulliver831]

no, that's literally hate

[@yshrenianknight2516]

gulliver Actually you can... Just like you dislike or disagree with things you dont hate... When you argue with your mother you dont hate her ... do you? When you say you dont like dogs doesnt mean you hate dogs..

[@botas5254]

White Knight that's disliking black people. Homophobia is comparable to racism; people are BORN gay, and they cannot change it. It is a part of who they are.

[@tangytablets5150]

Well the bible says jesus christ forgives and accepts sinners and welcomes them into his father's precense despite the fact that they were super terrible sinners. Maybe the Christian community should follow in Jesus's example and be kind and accepting of others, even if they are different or have a 'dark or stained' history. I wouldn't say the whole of the Christian community is hateful. There are just some people who can be very close-minded and act terribly against people who are not like them or have beliefs like them within the ranks.

[@BobaSoda_]

"You can't be gay and a christian but you can be homosexual and also be a christian". NIGGA WHAT?!

[@MarySue1964]

ya girl cece Which is why if the results of these "therapies" is that the "patients" can't relate to anyone then that's considered a "success".

[@coralaisly]

"Look at the outside of this man. Look into his physical appearance. Look into this man's heart. Look into his soul. Now look more deeply." Uh... that seems kinda counter-productive, no? I mean, gay conversion therapy is pseudo-scientific nonsense anyway but I'm baffled at how they think putting a bunch of men in a room and having them get all up-close and personal with each other would make them less likely to fall in love with other men. That doesn't even SOUND like it'd work. Just stop giving them shit for being gay! If you're spending that much time worrying over what other consenting adults are doing in the bedroom, you're the one with the problem, not them!

[@GoesByJ]

Them saying that just made me feel more gay XD

[@monaldn865]

So here’s my deal: I believe in equality. If your God doesn’t then I want nothing to do with your God. Yes, equality for homosexuals, for people of colour and for women. God is fair and discrimination isn’t. So if your God does discriminate he isn’t God. Sipping that fucking tea

[@hilkkagrohn7047]

Mona Lisa preach girl!!!❤❤❤

[@monaldn865]

William Levy The top 3 religions which have the most followers (Christianity, Islam and Catholicism) have male Gods.

[@shredderly]

Preach.

[@asias3000]

👏🏾👏🏾

[@TheLumbologist]

Mariah Coleman you could have said, ' "god doesn't hate anyone that's like his whole thing." These guys are just wrong to think otherwise.'

[@lamp748]

I have a question. WHAT THE FUCK?

[@HERSHISKISS]

Lamp Follow up question: why?

[@user-lk1cl6ev7g]

HERSHISKISS follow up follow up q: did u watch the fucking video?

[@baxtertothemax]

I feel you dude the homophobs are fucking disgusting

[@katecleary8290]

Lamp honestly same

[@sundayblues]

I am lamp! Jajajajajaj😹😹

[@teamMARRIOTT]

you can't choose to be gay but you can choose to have a bad haircut... I'm talking to you Sam Brinton

[@alienguyjp]

Dying

[@korhonenmikko]

It's the classic male pattern baldness mohawk.

[@Xitlali97777]

Christianity is slowly dying. I'm not joking half of my school are atheists.

[@amandadube156]

is that necessarily a bad thing, though? Don't get me wrong, I probably would be upset about it if I was christian. But as humanity moves through time, at what point does a book written by people who lived before the advent of science, or globalized communication, become out-dated? Honestly, I don't think christ's message was to fearfully cling to a single interpretation of righteousness for dear life. anyone who believes that hasn't thought hard enough abut "love thy neighbor" or "judge not, lest ye be judged."

[@dickvandyke9448]

I went to a christian private school and literally half to 3 quarters of them were atheists. We used to go into the religion classes and just run a muck and cause trouble because literaly nobody cared about the bullshit stories they tried to force feed us.(and this is in a christian school) To me christianity is just a cult. The largest cult in the world, and the christian people, just like any other cult are so brainwashed into believing this crap that they refuse to aknowledge what is actually happening in the real world. The bible is literaly the only thing they know.

[@weeevilswine]

Here in Scotland, I'd be surprised if You could find a Christian in my school

[@chronicdisease35]

Atheism is this millenniums Christianity. Half the people who claim to be atheists don't even know what it's about.

[@HeyYouPMme]

Thank god

[@blupeppers6437]

I mean who said gay people can't be boring suburban dads ? Why do they think it's all sex,drugs and endless clubbing

[@Nemo_Anom]

+Ether Collins People get hung up on the stereotypes, especially if they live in a small town and don't have exposure to real gay people. That was my experience. Grew up in a really small town (pop 5000), and knew absolutely no one gay. Was raised in a horrible Christian fundamentalist household. For years while I was miserably closeted, I thought that gay people were a bunch of depressed sex-addicts desperately searching for meaning in endless one night stands of dangerous and bizarre sexual acts, endless drugs, and countless bottles of booze, which ultimately ended in a dramatic suicide. It's been more than a decade since I finally admitted to myself that I'm gay, and almost 10 years since I came out, and I'm still working on undoing all the damage caused by the filtered information, or even lack thereof, that I grew up with.

[@BriarMB13]

There's a point in life where you say "I'm too old for this shit." and stop. It's just too much on the hips and back man.

[@marcelocortez409]

That red hair guy is a genius

[@collinsje5]

I doubt I could even read the TITLES of his textbooks and make sense of them, and I'm a pretty smart guy.

[@letsdothis3332]

Marcelo Cortez she is indeed

[@daftpunkhelmet]

A gay one

[@ninnetterhodehouse8087]

Sid

[@gilbirdsareawesome]

I want his born perfect shirt.

[@MizzAmanda1109]

I'm lesbian. I know God loves me and he is okay with me not liking men. I was sexually abused by my father as a child and into my early teens until I ran away and seeked help. Now that I'm older, I don't have attractions towards men at all, I never have. I am in love with a woman now and we can't wait to get married. We're both Asian and we plan on having a Japanese wedding. I love her so much and can't wait to spend the rest of my life with her. She is my bestfriend.

[@ArmwrestlingJoe]

I can't picture God sending someone to hell for just being gay

[@beid777]

JED Productions god doesn't send people to hell, he offers every opportunity to help them. But it is impossible for God to be in the presence of sin, so he sent Jesus to take our sin from us (very simple explanation) and take our place in hell. Its up to us now if we want to continue living in sin then we need to take the punishment we've been told we will get (hell) or we can repent and trust in Jesus' ability to take our sin from us. God believes in free will thats why he gives UA this choice.

[@ogsmut]

I hope that you two will live a happy and a long life together. Good luck with the wedding :)

[@brettm7162]

JED Productions yea thats really messed up right

[@Shermingtan]

Tom Obeid God is such a great guy, he let's you choose between eternal torment if you don't kiss his ass and his stupid archaic rules or you can spend time in heaven with a lot of christians. Not sure which is worse though... Tom please sit down now. There is nothing you imagine as god in the universe and free will is an illusion. Now leave the religious bullshit behind and enjoy life as long as you can.

[@WilliamGilbert_KSP_Player]

"you cant be gay and christian, but you can be homosexual and christian" How does that make sense?

[@annsophie1234567]

William Gilbert I think what he means is that you can be attracted to the same sex and be christian but not living a 'gay lifestyle' if you will, like have a same sex partner and be christian. In my opinion that's total bullshit, although I'm not really fond of religion in general but as long as they're not hurting anyone people should be able to believe whatever they want to

[@cheyenne1095]

*none of the stated below reflects my opinions* I think what he's saying is that you can have an attraction to the same sex, But acting on it clashes with Christianity. That's just what I got from it. But like I said, that is not my personal opinion :)

[@newsmanfedora]

William Gilbert He's a psychologist who believes homosexuality is pathological. So it makes sense within his belief. He believes you can be Christian and have a psychological disorder but not act on those impulses. I guess.

[@susanmcharris4294]

Tell that to my moms. They're lesbians and they still force me to go to church.

[@Guillermo12339]

+aCynicalPie PRECISELY,aCynicalPie! That's the Distinction these Soldiers for ChrISIS,Christofascists/Judeo-fascist,or Whatever Extreme,usually Fundamentalist,Frequently "right"-Wing Religious Fascist either Fail/Don't Wish to make,or Ignore.MOST Refuse to accept Sexual Orientation as a largely Inborn,Genetically-Determined FACT. Most Insist that Being Homosexual is a Choice,a Sinful Choice,the Better to Justify their Condemning Judgment of it}OR,RARELY,Accepting Homosexual,or Bisexual Orientations as Determined,not Chosen Condemn Acting on that a SINFUL CHOICE,"Lifestyle" being the favored term. UNLESS one accepts that Any Sexual Activity before and Outside of Marriage[Heterosexual Marriage]is FORBIDDEN,they Condemn ALL Non-Heterosexuals to Loveless,Sexless Lives!!!!

[@TheRealAnarchrox]

Why on earth would anyone want to be a Christian? I'm a straight man and I don't believe that there's a thing in the world that can change a person's sexuality. It's like going up to a horse and saying "you're a duck, a fucking duck, you can be a duck if you want to be a duck, you just have to try and be a duck". Now you may get that horse to act like a duck, but it's still a horse. Let it be a horse.

[@SheaRoberts]

Some people are raised to believe that way. I was and even though I was skeptical my entire life I still dealt with it until my early 20's. I think religious indoctrination of ANY kind is mental child abuse. I would teach my children about religion and the different religions and the fact that people don't believe, and let them make up their own minds. If they choose to be religious later in life, I will still love them. I may not agree with the choice but it's their life to do with what they want.

[@god2896]

There are many types of christians, these are on the border of insanity. I don't think anyone can be blamed for something that doesn't depends from his choice

[@jesusroks545]

well I am glad that you represent the standard of absolute truth on the matter.

[@TheRealAnarchrox]

Do I detect sarcasm or has my cynical nature thwarted me?

[@jesusroks545]

TheRealAnarchrox yea, maybe. As a straight man, maybe you should also think that there are not many things that can change a persons faith.

[@633r]

whats this difference between gay and homosexual"? Arent they the same?

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

+633r Yes, they are the same. I have no idea what that person is talking about.

[@macroxela]

+633r Many christians define homosexual as the state of liking or having feelings for the same sex while gay is acting on those feelings. Many catholic churches throughout the U.S. preach this, 'You can be homosexual but not be gay (act on it)'

[@macroxela]

That's it pretty much. It's just the newest way of saying "Hate the sin not the sinner"

[@Stevenisbelieven]

+macroxela "Many catholic churches throughout the U.S. preach this, 'You can be homosexual but not be gay (act on it)'" It's out of necessity, how else are they going to get new priests?

[@annt.7785]

+633r I honestly wanted to punch that guy in his big nose when said lol. I was like IT'S THE SAME THING!!! They always try to reword shit just to try to have it make sense in their heads. It's so annoying.

[@cassiestreet2327]

instead of having places where you teach people that they're "not gay" when they are maybe you could make a place where you teach people to love themselves

[@tangytablets5150]

Cassie Street or maybe a place to help people sort out how they really feel or their emotions. Then they'd feel more confident about who they really are as a person. I would like it if people were given a chance to explore their feelings in an environment that wont prosecute or shame them and their decisions as they come to relize who they are and what they want while being in the precense of people who will support them and maybe warn them about the hardships or negative impacts their future lives may present.

[@thomassawyer9867]

"you can be homosexual and christian, but you can't be gay and christian" .-.

[@awesomeaustin7406]

God damn republicans

[@digitalfroot]

LMAO ITS LIKE HE DOESNT KNOW THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE

[@University_of_Shawn_Ryan]

+Thomas Sawyer Does that hurt your mind ?

[@jemjem8630]

+Thomas Sawyer The mans obviously a fucking idiot

[@Mattsgeekyscience]

+Thomas Sawyer I literally just looked at the comments to see if anyone else noticed.

[@kamrenwalker]

How about you can't be Christian and hate gay people. God believes you should love everyone no matter what color, race, or sexuality they are. So for you to hate them, you're not Christian

[@beid777]

If I believe that the way someone lives is going to send them to eternal torture is t not more loving to tell them and try and help them though it or is it more loving to say "you do you" and then send them off to eternal torture and pain. Which one is more loving?

[@justina.9782]

Tom Obeid he was talking about hating them, didn't say anything about trying to change them. Plus don't you think people like gays, atheists, and people with other religions living here don't already hear about how they're going to be tortured forever if they don't change they're ways? At that point it's obvious they don't believe the same things you do and they don't want to here the same threat of external torture all the time, they've heard it enough already

[@beid777]

First of all I agree Christians shouldn't hate! The only thing they should hate is sin and I don't agree with all these violent 'therapy' some organizations do, also not very christian. But I'm sorry I just don't believe from both a religious and secular moral perspective that if you saw someone with a gun to there head about to pull the trigger saying 'nah its fine I don't think it will kill me so it won't' you wouldn't do everything you could to stop them from killing themselves even though they don't think it will hurt them. I sorry I just can't conceive of a letting someone have some shirt to term gain for themselves only to eventually suffer for longer and in worse ways, for the christian that is there worldview. If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. "If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for" thats quote from Charles surgeon and I kinda think it illustrates my point quite nicely

[@brettm7162]

Exactly and thats where they miss the point of everything. Its quiet messed up when you think about it, the Jew persecuted Jesus on the grounds that he offend god. now Christians persecute gays because they offend god. You would of though think that people could find out that wrong already

[@insect212]

The bible is open to many interpretations and just because some people don't follow it the same way you do doesn't make them not a Christian.

[@isabelleburdge4308]

God doesn't love people who work for these places. Well he does. He's just disappointed.

[@Evergreenforest33]

You know god? Let me talk to him on line 3?

[@ashleyj97]

KJ Gulyban not even funny

[@thatbitch6249]

KJ Gulyban you don't have to know him to know that he doesn't want people to hate one another. Nor oneself. As someone who read the Bible every day as a child I never got the message that god hates gay or anyone for that fact but that all he wants is for people to love one another.

[@Bluntsameway]

There is no God

[@Ronin42069]

Psssss. god is more than likely not real!

[@TVKid89]

Anyone else noticed that none of these people are in shape?

[@MarinaAndTheDevil]

They try to eat out of the gay... Nobody can leave the gay...

[@candirockstar135]

No cause who cares

[@joellukewarriorforjesusthe293]

Very Critical Of You Don't You Think?

[@PADARM]

because they hate themselves so much

[@emmajackson9012]

"You can be homosexual and christian, but not gay and christian." ALL OF MY WAT

[@greyphantom100]

Jerry mcGimbles I'm pretty sure he didn't graduate high school, let alone get a degree in psychology. In part 1 the way he used the term "social construct" in the beginning made me cringe

[@WessCNY]

Look at that guy's shirt @1:30. I've never seen anyone's clothes fit so badly. He knew he was going to be in this documentary.

[@danmackdanmack]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed that ️haha!

[@graylobo133]

Looked like a human caterpillar!

[@isaiahneumann7988]

This is my favorite comment

[@Hiraganja]

WessCNY I thought the same and snickered, but as I watched him, I had a sad. It seems he may have cancer or some form of disease that causes bloating. :c

[@autumnlarbre]

+WessCNY "He knew he was going to be in this documentary" -- haha

[@citrussarcodactylis526]

“i remained gay, but became suicidal” this really is a way to sum up the issue in a single sentence

[@bedazzlejuju]

I love the lawyer and the nuclear physics gentleman! LOVE!

[@stephaniepress7339]

"You cannot be a Christian and gay." *I am a Christian and gay*

[@HaloFTW55]

Oh hey! Starfire from Teen Titians, I haven't seen that show in years.

[@alexthomas311]

God bless you

[@mrkekman9526]

Sure you can, but you'll pay for your sins.

[@rachelcookie321]

@@mrkekman9526 I’m thinking you forgot that we are all sinners and Jesus died on the cross so our sins can be forgiven. I don’t believe being gay is a sin but if it was it would be forgiven just like every other sin.

[@is17a985]

@@alexthomas311The guy above is not a Christian.

[@chynnhowe]

I’m straight and I cant imagine going to a camp that could make me stop loving dick. I respect the fact that different people have different beliefs though and I hope every guy that struggles with this within themselves find some sort of peace.

[@autumnleaf3667]

... his name is James Guay... That must have been hard in school considering his orientation. I'm sorry, it's just a strange coincidence!

[@grace-bp9zv]

god made me gay and god makes no mistake😚✨

[@brtecson]

not me im atheist LOL why woulldnt an all-knowing all-loving all-powerful just end gayness by his "grace" or his will?

[@michelle-nl4bb]

You Tried It! people aren't born as murderers, theives, or rapists

[@silverwoodmeadows9877]

+Michelle Melilli Yeah, But isn't the thing that God makes things happen to you? So he didn't create a murderous or criminal fetus, but he would have created the path the person would go down to become said... right? Idk I'm not that kind of religious

[@Guildnstrn]

Hell Yeah!!!

[@mannysssio6805]

You Tried It! Well the bible says that god made everything

[@rickrazz]

When he said, "At the sound of the drum beat, take one step to your left," I thought they were going to start doing the Hokey-Pokey.

[@ariadnabarrientos3625]

I thought about the Cha Cha Slide

[@mintystellar4268]

"Look at the outside of this man. Look at his physical appearance" *stares* "Step to your right" Hol up, i ain't done yet!

[@graciebeauregard8345]

I'm bisexual and Catholic. I believe God made me this way for a reason

[@sandro8643]

Gracie Beauregard Holy shit same but I’m like so confused like sometimes I do believe and sometimes I don’t And is confusing P.S my parents are Hispanic so if they find out they’ll probably disown me

[@cheesem3ist3r]

Gracie Beauregard same!! Well Christian but you know

[@Queen_Aman]

Gracie Beauregard From one bisexual to another, You are wonderful as you are, gracie, don't forget that!!

[@jessejones5001]

Wrong

[@kellymcgrath5541]

if homosexuals arent Christians... how do you explain priests? lol

[@coolusername337]

Gay means into men. Priests are into boys.

[@TinaXrisCuBaNa]

@@coolusername337 golden reply

[@lilithrey2126]

All the men in that group especially the first "psychologist" make me want to slap the sense into them!!!

[@AriGomes]

"you can't be Christian and gay" What if a guy's name is Christian and he's gay? Does the universe explode or something?

[@Olivia-xt1rx]

Clara CG yes

[@tripleq7888]

Yep

[@thecoolcarhd4402]

How old are you?

[@ApplePi3.1415]

TheCoolCarhd Ew. Why u asking ppls ages on the internet. Pervert

[@azulpanthervids478]

"Look deeply into this mans eyes" "Look at his physical appearance" Sound like sonething you read in a lgbtq+ romance novel 😹😹😹

[@TMNg0438]

I really feel for the guys who lead and later left the ex-gay movement. I was in a similar position where i was on the leadership of a group who believed not in getting rid of ones' sexuality, but not living it and confessing their "sins" and "attractions". I am so grateful to have left and been able to live the life I want. I am really glad other people realize that too and I hope that they are all able to leave before even more damage is done.

[@m.o.j8379]

I bet they are all secretly gay. -_-

[@Kevs602]

That's the whole point of that program.

[@tyrannosaurus_wex]

swag

[@Notafantbhm8]

Clearly you didn't get it

[@m.o.j8379]

lmao, not the gay people, the people trying to convert them so they become straight :P Kevs602 Zam W

[@rtuumm]

CignistBear well considering just about all of them "were" gay, I wouldnt be surprised at all if they are really still gay. The leader guy from Exodus said that like 95% of the people he treated never really change and that he him self was still gay after all those years of running the organization.

[@Sagaciousish]

God hates figs -Mathew 21:19

[@FvD714]

Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.

[@MrMundo3d]

you know who god actually hate,, people like you,, who think,,, you are the one who decided,, if the love of the father is not on you,, then you didn't even know god,,

[@SirGromble]

***** goo.gl/iAjaS4

[@jacksonoberhauser4322]

Yeah I'm allergic to figs so I gotta agree with this one

[@kahealaninakoa5921]

Sagaciousish I love fig newtond

[@camilliamccown4006]

"You can be homosexual and Christian, but you can't be gay and Christian." Last time I've checked, there wasn't a difference between homosexual and gay. Can't fix stupid.

[@tomasruckett]

Good message, bad haircut.

[@peepeepoopoo2243]

LOL

[@coffeeofthedevil7597]

I was about to say the same thing.

[@dejaforbus2501]

tomasruckett crying

[@sophietripp409]

Dave divorced his wife of 34 years and intended to live his life as a gay man in 2019 :)

[@yakumo961]

Why are so many people offended by the life choices and sexuality of OTHER people?

[@sethsha7826]

I went to the Journey into Manhood website, and they are still going. They currently have a waitlist to get into their retreat. This is so heartbreaking.

[@mattashtv]

I did a CBC Marketplace interview where Rich Wyler said to a younger CBC producer, "when you're in junior high and you felt that attraction, was it to boys your age?" Rich is a creep who put my life at risk from one of his participants in his camp. He never cared about me at all. The only thing that Rich cares about, is money

[@mommabear5390]

The way they run this camp would be like serving booze at Alcoholics Anonymous

[@andrewstafford123]

I wish there was a “I’m disappointed” button. As a Christian I’m ashamed at how the LGBTQ community has been treated.

[@pringlesthegoose1702]

"You can't be gay and Christian but you can be a homosexual and Christian." *brain.exe has stopped working*

[@cameronhammer8872]

The gay energy is so strong 2:36 look at this and tell me they don't look gay

[@scottbennett777]

Man with the mohawk is beautiful and smart and brave. His partner is a very lucky guy.

[@CarlosRibeiroArtist]

These ex gay movements are so similar to cults. Like it's scary

[@denisfl04]

“You can’t be gay and Christian but you can be homosexual and Christian” Me: 👁👄👁

[@sydneybrooks6038]

Online Profile 😂😂😂 for real

[@denisfl04]

Beth Berryhill The knowledge hit me like 🤯 I’m saved.

[@sydneybrooks6038]

Online Profile Lmaoooo

[@alexonmute2085]

You cant be gay but you can be gay

[@shara5985]

I know, I was so confused. "You can be homosexual and Christian, but you can't be gay and Christian". Illogical, which is pretty much all this conversion camp is anways.

[@joeylopezdesign]

The genteman who works in nuclear power, helps people figure out ex-gay therapy shams, and wears stilletos looking amazing, is literally whom I want my children to look at as a hero - someone who's not just successful because they're making money or doing what they love, but also giving back and volunteering to help someone, actually help people, not hate on people or put people down. That's MY kind of hero, and he makes me want to be a better man.

[@durpyrainbowp8405]

5:32 SLAYYY WITH THOSE HEELS GURL!!! S.L.A.Y.

[@electro2781]

OOO HE STRUTTING

[@biomechanicalintegration6137]

I literally just thought that hahah

[@kristijonaspaltanavicius7127]

i think they are totally barebacking during that weekend experience

[@benluschen4771]

My utter shock to see SAM BRINTON! appear in this 8 year old video lol

[@mr.existential3797]

0:52 dayum they caught me off guard when they zoomed out on him. 😭😂

[@letsdothis3332]

You can’t “Ex” anything about a person except an ex

[@Melissa-sf6fb]

In some terms, I bet ALMOST all of the people who watched this r part of lgbtq+ or an as (straight ally)

[@ziennanoordpool6639]

Yes

[@BeatsBySam]

Matt Damon has a baadass mohawk

[@recieve.believe3344]

😂😂😂👌

[@iamgiuseppec]

Him: You can't be gay and christian but you can be homosexual and christian. Synonyms: Am I a joke to you?

[@noahrosz3902]

He said you can be homosexual and Christian bit not gay and Christian I just stood up and spent an hour thinking about it

[@OVXX666]

what does that guy thing being gay means lol

[@deanm9652]

5:20 - OMG it's a biracial/gay/Matt Damon.

[@sowhosasking]

Dean M I was hoping I wasn't the only one who noticed!

[@TheInflicted]

Pretty sure the churches that use music like that played at 0:28 aren't the kinds of churches that endorse programs like this.

[@siinnead]

i wanna go to one of these and leave like YOURE SHIT AT YOUR JOB I STILL LIKE WOMEN

[@irina-alexandraboie2809]

the gayness that this video gives out is making my radar go insane lmao

[@xvminutes]

heart breaking.... these men... please just accept who you are!!! oh, it breaks my heart.

[@nicolexx8915]

it's 2016. why are there still homophobes. 🤔🤔

[@TheSubberBoy]

5:34 Those heels though.

[@breezyheartz3204]

"You could be a homosexual and Christian, but you can't be gay and Christian" Me: *brain short circuits*

[@Theforsakenmedia]

I'm gay, have only had sex with 2 people... And my fiancé has only had sex with 1 person... Me... And we've been together for 3-1/2 years and have never had a true fight and love each other very much. Yes we both have anxiety and depression, but it's not because we're gay .. it's because people have been abusive towards us throughout our lives for being gay. Being gay doesn't cause mental health problems, being treated like shit by other people for being gay is what causes mental health issues. That should be obvious.

[@doelroarpa3489]

Get married and be happy

[@MidnaRocks1000]

So many of these men are like "I had sexual attraction towards men... but I also wanted a family, children, a normal life, etc." but I feel like they don't even realise a number of things: 1) Bisexuality is a thing. So is pansexuality. Just throwing that out there because people seem to forget like. all the time. 2) You can still have a family if you're gay?? Just because the majority of the gay community is really into sex doesn't mean you can't have a partner and settle down... adopt or have a surrogate. And I know a lot of those things play into what you think is "right" and morally acceptable by your religion but like... come on guys. 3) Heteronormativity (this is my own definition): having your opinion on LGBT+ altered issues simply because the majority of the open, public community is straight/cis. It makes you think that you want these things, even though you naturally don't. Not saying that's always the case but it's possible. Not to mention I'd like to see where that anti-gay psychologist got all those "facts" from, and ask him if gay people "aren't physically compatible", then why is a man's g-spot up his ass?? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@matthewrharlan]

Born perfect guy is a homie though

[@mattashtv]

Not really...Sam lied about their story

[@aizaz1234]

Every religion is a lie. Just the fact there is more than one should tell you that. And for all the undeserved love religion gets here is the ignored side. I mean for fucks sake do you really need to be under constant threat of eternal punishment to be a good person?

[@beid777]

1 we 'good' people (even though Christians are still sinners) because we follow what god says because we trust he knows what's best for us, the whole swapping eternal punishment for eternal paradise thing is just one of the perks 2 are you really suggesting that we should use the world view of "there's more hen one veiw on the same topic so they must all be wrong" some scientist believe the big bang happened some believe other things happened in the early universe, by your logic that means the most scientifically credible idea is wrong because some people disagree with it and think there way is right

[@aizaz1234]

Tom Obeid 1 you accept blame for a sin you never committed. 2 you trust a being that blames you for a sin you never committed. 3 If such a god were real why would it be so bad at conveying its message? Its not having a diffrent view its believing in an all powerful being that is incapable of convincing its own creations that it exists.

[@friendlytingles642]

out of everyone on this, the psychologist pisses me off the most

[@hxntxrb]

"You can be homosexual and Christian, but you can't be gay and Christian" XD

[@justinroznik1997]

Irrelevant but the guy looked like Matt Damin

[@literallyanythingelseother]

I ain't got no issues with gays or anything but found it funny how many of them were fat only on the chest and stomach

[@PacificCircle1]

If someone, by there own free will (not forced), decides to try and convert, why not let them? Yeah, I know, you want a one way street.

[@narwhool]

They can try but it doesn't really work and that's why gay conversion therapy should be banned from being practiced on minors by "licensed medical professionals". If adults want to make themselves miserable by not accepting themselves that is their business. however, the people offering these retreats are doing more harm than good and feeding off the self denial and hatred of these gay men and that is hardly ethical...

[@PacificCircle1]

As long as it not abusive.

[@ShapoGuapo]

Exactly, if ther was a gay camp where you were convered from straight to gay all these SJWs would be backing it...

[@ShapoGuapo]

Converted*

[@AuntySemitist]

+♥ CHRISTINE ♥ agreed, kids are confused enough about themselves to introduce something like conversion therapy into their lives. But if a gay man wants to be straight, let him try all he likes

[@swedishem5336]

Not even a minute in and I’m already confused. “You can be homosexual and Christian, but you can’t be gay and Christian” Homophobes points make 0 sense.

[@sesshokitten]

What's sad is a lot of these men have married women and 20/30 years later they are crushing their spouses by admitting they never should've married them in the 1st place and are leaving them for another man. Leave your truth so that both of you don't throw away decades of your lives on fraud

[@emmajo8285]

3:47 connor in 20 years? :D

[@BM5X5]

+Emma Jo OMFG EXACTLY WHAT I SAID LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@jasperperez5338]

They look so alike!

[@jasperperez5338]

Their facial expressions are so similar!

[@lenas7867]

THATS SO WEIRD OMG

[@OmNomAcid]

5:22 Matt Damon’s gay brother

[@TonyStark-zz6rr]

"You can be homosexual and Christian but you can't be gay and Christian." WTH. That makes no freaking sense.

[@TonyStark-zz6rr]

If he's separating Homosexuality from being "gay". He's basically saying you can't be a happy Christian. Cause that's legit the only other definition of the word.

[@pepeshadilay]

Vice cured me of my heterosexuality

[@yukaima3309]

wait... why rich look like the chicken guy for toy story 😭😭😭😂😂😂

[@cellogirl11rw55]

"God couldn't love them the way they are." There isn't a more inaccurate statement in this world. I ask you this: If a father tried for years to have a child with his wife and one day found out she was pregnant, but that the child had severe spina bifida, after all those years, would he not see his child as perfect, despite his/her infirmity?

[@jwat4166]

cellogirl11RW you imply that being gay is an infirmity which is still part of the problem, it's no different then being straight so how about adjusting to the father having a kid and loving him in any light that may just naturally happen

[@cassiestreet2327]

gay=homosexual

[@The_world_spins_round]

Cassie Street no gay=happy duh christians shouldnt be happy thats all he said

[@GuiarGodCole]

I was expecting more Conversion Camp hate comments, but I'm happy there isn't to be honest. If people who are gay and want to go to these then that's their choice. I don't blame the camps, they are giving a service that some people ask for.

[@AngelicPhantom]

+GuiarGodCole I blame them because they are capitalizing on people's pain. Society tells gay people (at least some parts of society) that being gay is wrong and they are deviant and then these clowns come in with a 'fix'. The problem is that this 'treatment' doesn't work and can result in suicide. How can they not shoulder some of the blame? Also they knowingly provide false hope.

[@GuiarGodCole]

AngelicPhantom Lmao think about that hard, should McDonald's be ashamed because they help make a lot of people with eating disorders or weight problems get poorer health? No, it's the person's choice.

[@AngelicPhantom]

If you can't see how this is different... Then I honestly don't know what to tell you.

[@GuiarGodCole]

AngelicPhantom lmao no, if you don't see how it's literally the same thing then your stupid logic is flawed and you can see it. You can't have it both ways, a similar situation is the same thing so if you feel differently about one then it proves how hypocritical you are.

[@AngelicPhantom]

Look u the definition of literally mate. You're wrong and I don't really care enough about informing you to continue this conversation.

[@goobertron9099]

“You can’t be gay and Christian but you can be homosexual and Christian” *tAsK FAILed UNSUCCESSFULLY*

[@gehtdianschasau8372]

3:19 look at that, it's Lahey and Randy back together.