Conservatives Find an Unlikely Ally To Ban Books

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[@bakslayer3032]

Let's put these porn books in the synagogue library...

[@kimsteinke713]

Good show I just think we should have done this 10, years ago we told them we were going to have gay books and education in school. This is the battle. I'm 61 and I've been fighting it since I was 12 I'm glad everybody's having the same problem now at least I'm not crazy no more. 🙏🌈😄 This is the heart of the trouble w/truth 🙏🌈 right here right now Texas

[@Sj27m]

​@@kimsteinke713 GOOD At 61 it won't be too much longer until you are face to face with God. If you don't like these parents with morals you definitely will not like what God has to say.

[@carolbrady658]

Thank goodness for Muslims!!

[@scottmann4093]

These parents would be surprised at what their children are exposed to on the internet and social media. But that would require real parenting

[@maher.k22]

Plenty of kids are also introduced to drugs at a young age, so why not let them try it at school as well

[@bhinds]

Exactly. These types tried this here & the school just sent out waivers to the parents. Signed, their kids were preapproved to visit at will. Not signed, their kids had to clear any book w/their parents before it was checked out (guessing that involved a lot of back & forth). Beautiful. Put the onus where it belonged.

[@Flergenbergen]

And they better not open up a bible and start reading the stories because...wow.

[@gunterthekaiser6190]

@maherk22 I mean... you ever gone to a high-school? That place is probably the most profitable place for weed. It's really helpful for anxiety.

[@Flergenbergen]

@@maher.k22 Oh yup, there are no drugs at school, shitforbrains! Also drugs and books are a teensy bit different.

[@christopherhitchens163]

How is it an unlikely ally? Conservative Christians and Conservative Muslims? They agree on many things

[@brialapoint2608]

They usually hate each other. By default both religions believe only they are right

[@tsp1999]

oh yeah, I'm sick of leftists defending islam when its arguably WORSE in practice than christiantiy, for one forbidding arts and media, aka THE VERY THING THAT SEPARATES US FROM APES

[@Everyoneneedsaherotrue]

Your watching a left wing news youtube channel what do you expect, muslims and christians shoudve been allys from the start but theyre running this false narrative that all right wing christians are anti muslim when its just a couple hicks from the Alabama

[@CluelessCarter]

they agree on many things, but the media always focuses on the differences to always make sure they never see eye to eye

[@questcore636]

in a way they're not too different from each other, both hate gays, both hates educated societies

[@rosejustice]

Apparently none of these people remember what being a teen was like. I grew up in the late 70s/early 80s; my friends and I all thought about sex, talked about sex, and had questions about sex. Most of us graduated high school still virgins despite having books like Judy Blume’s *Forever* in our library. Stop trying to turn your kids’ lives into something that never existed 40 years ago!

[@EnormousPurpleGarden]

The only reason to be afraid of teenagers being sexually active or even just exposed to the concept of sex is if the said teenagers don't have the necessary knowledge to handle it, which will only be the case if sex education is sorely lacking. If they actually cared about their children, they'd want far more discussion of sex. Trying to avoid sexual discussion in schools to "save the children" is self-defeating and creates the problem that they claim to be trying to avoid.

[@humate9980]

Well that’s when it all started changing was in the late 70s early 80s I guarantee you it wasn’t in the early 70s and 60s that’s the whole reason you’re saying it

[@devanshepard9118]

this is the new moral panic . They tried this forty years ago with judy blume, and other authors who are now iconic.

[@AnthropogenicInversion]

@@humate9980 yeah because before people were fucking repressed, old joe.

[@mateohodge6998]

@MassiveLibCawk remember when they tried to cancel rap music and Rock & roll

[@oceanstaiga5928]

Here in Germany for me reading a book on drug addicted kids in Berlin was mandatory. It’s a famous book. No drug prevention class opened my eyes as much as that book did to hear a real life first hand account. I never touched drugs and I credit that book highly for it.

[@thischannelisbackon5679]

Whats the name of it?

[@oceanstaiga5928]

@@thischannelisbackon5679 it’s called zoo station

[@EelcoHillenius]

Yes. I read that as a (Dutch) teenager (13, 14?) and it made a huge impression on me. I actually suggested my almost 14 year old (living in the US now) he should read it.

[@franciswinston1040]

The fact that you even had to read a book about drugs to stop you from doing drugs is the problem. As a thirteen year old why should you be concerned about drugs. Even though you’re comparing apples to oranges here, it still makes this sound ridiculous.

[@goncaloalves8035]

i'm portuguese and that book was part of a recommended reading list (not mandatory) for teenagers, i read it when i was 12 or 13 and i think it has played a large role in my decisions around drugs. i became aware of the realities of using hard drugs and what it can do to you, your loved ones and your future. if i hadn't read that book, and watched other documentaries about the abuse of meth and heroin in particular on the discovery channel, i mightve been unaware of the realities of drug abuse and couldve made uninformed decisions that wouldve ruined my life. being aware of topics such as drug use, sexuality/sex, and other such ""adult"" topics is extremely helpful for teenagers who WILL encounter these issues AS TEENAGERS. you cant hide drugs, alcohol and sex from teenagers, theyre part of the real world that they also live in. if theyve never encountered these topics they will make the wrong decisions, and even worse they will not come to their parents for help or advice because they know they will not understand and will try to lecture them instead of help. i feel sad for all the children impacted by these selfish parents who think they get to dictate the world their children live in and the reality they will face. your kids arent an extension of you and you dont get to decide their life for them. you just have to be there to help guide them towards hopefully the better choices that they must make for themselves.

[@CortexNewsService]

Do they really think these books turn kids gay? How? "These characters sturggled and were harassed for being gay. I wanna be like that!" If your kid comes out after reading the book, they were already gay. All the book does is give them the words to express it. That is all.

[@cc-dtv]

they're afraid their kids are going to turn out gay. in a world with children literally dying of cancer and violence,

[@silfire2401]

What stopping there? Why not add in religious books or porno into the mix? Would that count as expressing?

[@CortexNewsService]

@@silfire2401 you do know that public libraries and school libraries have books on religion, right? Academic works and holy books. Bible, Koran, Torah. The point is access to all, not restricted to one point of view.

[@yipi5684]

your banal argument makes it sound incredibly simple, but what youre forgetting is that theyre KIDS, when children consume or are exposed to media/anything for that matter, they get influenced in one way or another, especially if it is romaticized or glamourized to be something beautiful and desirable

[@CortexNewsService]

@@yipi5684 I never got exposed to anything gay growing up. So how did I turn out gay

[@amisraelichai296]

What I don't get about this whole debate, is why even bother, most of students read books from their phones/kindles/ipads. Trust me nobody would ban Kindle.

[@work90]

Because it has access to kids?

[@Omar-te6nm]

I don't know if you ever were part of a classroom or have taken a specific course in any American institution, but teachers and Professors sometimes have required readings, meaning you do not have a choice BUT to read the book. So this isn't like, 'oh, if they don't like the book, don't read it' or 'oh, they could easily access similar things online' because these books could and would be recommended to these children.

[@Cbd_7ohm]

It seems like a lot of parents these days are just dumb, or becoming a parent lowers your IQ by 30 points. It's like they don't understand how kids are.

[@Cbd_7ohm]

@@work90 I get your point, but most kids are using phones and computers. My friend searched up porn when we were on the computer together in 4th grade and this was in 2003ish. Most parents don't even monitor their kids stuff.

[@gradstdnt7232]

This is all political theater. A performance to provide the illusion "something" is being done. Appeals to people who identify as religious. Nothing meaningful will happen. It's the idea that they are tying that wins votes from the gullible amongst us.

[@mizzysparrots4874]

Could you imagine if they took bullying as deeply as they are taking this book ban

[@michaelwangler1142]

no such thing as bullying

[@CentigradeMind]

@@michaelwangler1142 … what? 😂

[@erinmctague7188]

That’ll be the day…

[@taylorbassett2512]

They love bullying though

[@rscoops3986]

@@CentigradeMind Bullying is a part of life and growing up. The most serious incidents should be dealt with, but other than that it's not something to be eradicated.

[@franklyqueso]

"I don't have kids and I didn't read the book but I am going to go to a bunch of dumb meetings and make them even dumber!"

[@LC-xd2zy]

What do you expect from a bunch of dumb people

[@idrk7509]

​@@sirensynapse5603 the irony

[@TragiicWorld]

@@idrk7509 😂😂

[@kikkerslikker4533]

@@sirensynapse5603 this comment is hilarious

[@BenDover-xf3we]

How weird that someone would care about pedophiles infiltrating the public school system. Sorry (not really) people don’t like pedos. You are the worst kind of trash. Please keep a good distance from anyone underage!

[@BizzeeB]

Because the best, most successful way to get kids to stop doing something has always been to tell them they can't do it.

[@dune4433]

Well, that's how that works. If you don't tell them, then they definitely WILL do it.

[@BizzeeB]

@@dune4433 I guess you don't have kids. (besides the ones whose pictures you look at on your hard drive)

[@jasonnehceis3267]

Doesn’t anyone know or use the word “consequences” anymore? If the kid does what they are told not to do, tell them in plain language of the precise consequences. And then make it something they value greatly that you will remove from their lives. And then be prepared to do it. Because if you don’t, you will have just made a VERY big mistake. I’m not a parent, but I learned about being a parent from being a kid and experiencing the kind of parents I am so sincerely thankful for, no words can describe. And I know many people whose parents let them get away with anything and everything. They are either miserable, dysfunctional, disconnected, unhappy or just in jail.

[@dune4433]

@Bryan oh Bryan.....Bryan Bryan Bryan. Good one. I have 3 kids, and they all exceed in school, compliments every year about how well behaved they are. If you ever had kids, I'm sure they are raging drug addicts by now.

[@JohnM-ch4to]

@@dune4433 If you don't tell them then the you WILL do it. RECKLESSLY. Ever heard of unwanted pregnancy? Why haven't we solved that?

[@sneer0101]

It's almost like they are on the same side politically and always have been.

[@float_sam]

the both have the same ideas one what to do if you disagree with them, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#%22Biblical_Basis_for_War%22_manifesto

[@y.u.so.]

Both are same, just different when they fire guns. One says Allah Hu Akbar, and other says F*CK your Allah Hu Akbar and shoot. They don't care if it's children, women, old or young. Just their ideology. Sad but reality 😅🤣

[@PaulVegan]

Yes, they're all backwards and full of hate.

[@theunbeatable6598]

Divided by 👃 tribe

[@douglol4595]

Yeah, 90 percent of Muslims voted Republican before 2004. Maybe if they weren't so openly islamophobic they could secure they Muslim vote!

[@patrickdallaire5972]

I don't know if they still have it but my french-canadian catholic high school, as part of the curriculum we read an extremely violent revenge fiction novel called Les Sept Jours du Talion by Patrick Sénécal. It's about a father kidnapping and torturing the murderer/rapist of his ~8 year old daughter for 7 days before murdering him. From electroshock to mutilatation to the face, genitals, anus, etc. Naturally, this was very disturbing for some readers. Still, the book doesn't really condone what the main character is doing. Although many side-characters approve of what our main character is likely doing (people know about the kidnapping), we also follow the detective trying to stop this in favor of proper justice. Even the parent of another child victim questions what our main character is doing. Clearly, what he is doing, doesn't make our main character happier either; his daughter is still dead, on top of him now arguably a different kind of monster. In class, we got to talk about morality, when does a man become a "monster", etc. To this day, I haven't heard about anyone in our age group becoming a murderer. Go figure.

[@IceFireTerry]

america could never.

[@tonyli8084]

I still remember reading this book🥹

[@ryanmurdock2232]

There are legitimate arguments for banning books in school libraries if they depict graphic violence as a central plot element. Or at the very least, for contextualizing the book contents.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

I am learning french. Is this a childrens book level of reading? Merci beaucoup

[@patrickdallaire5972]

@@Tribuneoftheplebs Teenager, yeah. Like, I think I was in grade 14 years old. The author is widely regarded as the Quebecois version of Stephen King. Some of his other books have more supernatural elements.

[@shelbyliebler-kukuk76]

They should be concerned to what their children say in the hallways at school. They should be concerned with the fact that their children aren’t even picking up books. They should be concerned with their internet search history. They shouldn’t be concerned with a book that was never checked out.

[@CaseyEm]

@moneymoe95 These books weren't required reading. Before some brainless idiot decided to make a big deal out of it, these books were just another book in the walls of books no one read

[@shelbyliebler-kukuk76]

Nobody required them to read it. It was a book that was located on a national internet library browser. The school didn’t actually own a physical copy of the book.

[@accurrent]

I’m a teenager and the use of the N word and slurs in general is on the rise. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone call anyone a slur other than the word retard. It’s more so in a joking manner. I know that sounds bad, and it is bad, but I don’t ever hear it used out of angry or hate. It’s because teenage boys think they are funny when they do things they aren’t supposed to. I think that a major cause of this increased usage of these words (especially the N-word) is that when us kids see actual fucking racists and the stupid fucking alt right and far right on the media, we’re desensitized to the usage of these words. Most of the people who do this, or even just laugh at the “jokes” aren’t doing it maliciously. A lot of times I think it’s almost as a way to cope with the blatant racism and hatred seen on the media. On the other hand, “jokes” about LGBTQ people often seem serious. Homophobia is still rampant among teenagers, because a lot of teens don’t want something that sets apart like that

[@CaseyEm]

@dude_with_moustache if they were stupid enough to be caught off guard by these books being in the library, they aren't going to be smart enough to realize what kinds of thing people talk about at school. It's like they completely blocked their own memories of what school was like.

[@Saud-lv9ky]

Society shouldn’t be shoving this lgbt propaganda in everyone’s face

[@heinrichmuller7974]

by-far the funniest take away from this, at least for myself, is that the books are still gonna be available, you can still buy them but now that they are trying to be banned in school you'll see students actively searching for them _because_ they are banned. *how hilariously funny*

[@Julie-qr9ow]

Yeah…. Everyone knows that. There’s a difference between buying a book on your own and reading a book that’s been given some legitimacy by the school.

[@viciouslyeatingaburger]

@@Julie-qr9ow Precisely

[@alfonsodelafreg259]

@@Julie-qr9ow Try not to be stupid.

[@viciouslyeatingaburger]

If the kid wants to explore sex and adult things that's on him/her but a school providing those types of materials freely to kids is way out of line.

[@matthewhorrigan6129]

When I write a book, I want far-right organizations to try to ban it. Doesn't matter what it's about. Free advertising.

[@zytrik1]

The guy worried about the books his non-existent children read almost got me 🙌

[@liammorris7324]

That's the entire LGBTQ lol

[@salvadordali969]

So you don’t get to have an opinion if you don’t have kids???

[@JonMurray]

@@salvadordali969 he didn’t read the book either! Raging about something that has nothing to do with him and that he knows nothing about hahaha!

[@JonMurray]

Same hahaha!

[@zanews23]

@@salvadordali969 On something like this that’s about what kids in your district are reading? Internally, of course you can have whatever opinion you want, but it doesn’t matter even a little bit and you shouldn’t go to school board meetings trying to spread it.

[@mattd7695]

It makes me laugh when they think banning books will stop kids from reading them. They obviously don't understand just how easy it is to find things on the internet.

[@Jibril.ibn.Abdullah]

What kid is gonna google a book😭

[@Bimmer_MD]

They also forgot what it's like to be a teenager, and the fact that typically when a teenager is told not to do something they go and do the opposite.

[@Lerian_V]

@@Bimmer_MD Not always true.

[@nobodyspecial4702]

It's not about forbidding them from being read, it's about them not being appropriate for children to read.

[@priiifrg]

@@Lerian_V you know the meaning of 'typically' ?

[@brt5273]

7:50 "We have filed a lawsuit against the school under the GUISE of concerned parents..." Gotta love those Freudian slips.

[@Kalumbatsch]

Freudian slip assumes that she even knows what the word means.

[@malissahyatt2425]

Freudian wore slips.... wait,what?????

[@Rayzr_Sharp]

Their entire argument of protecting the kids falls apart the min they went against banning guns/gun control and letting them get shot, so honestly I could care less about their opinions

[@davidb3271]

But actually not, because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that banning guns will have no affect on the amount of mass shootings.

[@mikehoncho5389]

Guns have always been “banned” in schools. It’s always been illegal to shoot kids at school.

[@snowflakemelter7171]

Derp derp guns derp. Typical libtard 😂

[@targgthewise2892]

More on

[@Cbd_7ohm]

Banning guns won't prevent your kids from getting shot lol.

[@curryascocarrasco4829]

Seeing the interaction between those 2 women says a lot. The mother lady really does seem to have a hero complex.."we helped you Jane". I'd say sexual deviance is when someone coerces someone else into doing something sexual they don't want to. You can't gatekeep sexuality and why would the government want everyone to turn gay?

[@shyft09]

That's one of the things I find so amazing, a government conspiracy to turn people gay... because? 😂

[@Cbd_7ohm]

The word deviant, means outside the norm. Most people, especially Americans(relative to GDP), are too lazy to look up the definitions of words before using them. They think deviant = degenerate.

[@rasheedjamal9091]

Doesn't she look a little like MTG?

[@BroadcastsFromPoorFarm]

@@rasheedjamal9091 had that same thought while watching.

[@AbuBased731]

Because They d0n't want you to Repr0du¢e and Win Le ev0lutionary game lol

[@nychellebrewer]

"This teaches you to go against your parents"--bearded guy in the Nike shirt said it out loud. None of these book-ban folks are actually worried that books discussing issues of gender and sexuality will make their children more vulnerable to sexual assault. They just don't want their authority questioned. They don't want younger siblings "straying." They don't want their middle schooler sitting down at the dinner table saying "You know what? These feelings I'm having about ____ are normal. Lots of people are gay. Maybe these authors and educators know more than Pastor Jimmy or Imam Abdullatif about this stuff."

[@MrGert150]

Yeah I dont want the state to influence my child. I just want them to learn real school subjects like math and english

[@ldahmy]

Well how abt pastor Jimmy and imam Abdul-Latif actually having knowledge concerning these issues and might be able to help. But hey stereotyping ppl is still cool I guess.

[@Don-md6wn]

@@MrGert150 If you want your kid indoctrinated in everything you believe and nothing else, keep them at home. If the parents of every kid in public schools had veto power over everything in every textbook, what could they be taught? You sound like a Christian Scientist who thinks you should be able to let your kid die from a treatable disease because you don't believe in medicine, or beat your kid black and blue if necessary.

[@guitarPTH]

@@ldahmy then listen to them if you think what they are saying is important. But these people should not dictate to the rest of us what kinds of books we should have access to.

[@immkk1125]

right? also the amount of YA books romanticizing and normalizing non consensuel acts is scary, and i would understand their concern if that’s what they were concerned about, but nah lmao they just wanna hate gay ppl and healthy sexuality

[@sharkymcshark3392]

My school had “a clockwork orange” and “American psycho” in its library, so it’s kind of hard to take this seriously.

[@GRANOLA77]

But did anyone honestly read them?

[@sharkymcshark3392]

@@GRANOLA77 I did lol

[@GRANOLA77]

@Sharky McShark Ok great but you out of how many kids? Kids sadly don't read anymore

[@sharkymcshark3392]

@@GRANOLA77 I don't think that's true, reading has always been a thing that a only a small percentage of kids were into, there's a reason why some schoolchildren have been made fun of for being a "bookworm" since forever. They still exist, in the same quantities as ever I think. It's not like everyone was a heavy reader in the past. There's a reason why certain people are trying so hard to get all these books banned, because there are kids actually reading them.

[@leangrypoulet7523]

@@GRANOLA77 read ACO as a teen (AP wasn’t written when I was at school, but I read it when it was released). Both outstanding books and last time I checked neither turned me into either a violent gang member or a misogynistic serial killer. I may be wrong, so I’ll check with my wife. But I also read an unbelievably disturbing book at school which has got serious amounts of violence, racism, misogyny, sex, murder, torture, destruction of nature, famine, violence against women, intolerance etc; absolutely riven with it. It makes ACO look tame and I certainly think they should ban it as it definitely affects people, changes them, and influences them to become unpleasant bigots. It’s called the Bible. 🤔

[@johnmoore2537]

Wait until these parents hear about the internet...

[@EmirAbdKadder]

I mean I discovered live leak when I was like 12..... God forbid I read book from the library

[@zombiebillcosby]

@@EmirAbdKadder sad to say thanks to my older cousins, I too was traumatized at a young age. That book wouldn’t even have registered as controversial to me.

[@whathell6t]

@@EmirAbdKadder Technically! You don’t want to read in the library due to presence of homeless transients and vagrants being noisy. Ironically, the MAGAs and Proud Boys will avoid any library that has influx of homeless transients and vagrants.

[@unclebtoast9266]

Right

[@AlbertKimMusic]

@@EmirAbdKadder the difference with this is that if they just allow this book that mentions "busting a load and drinking it" inside of what they call a "childrens novel", and we continue that for a prolonged period of time, do you not see how more of these sort of materials, not only in book form, will start appearing across areas that children are around?

[@thecloudchannel8026]

I bet close to none of the students at this school in Michigan had heard of these books until their parents tried to ban them. Wish they could focus on more important issues, like making school lunches edible, or providing more classroom supplies so that teachers won't have to use their own money. But oh no, stop everything, a gay book might make a kid gay, and we can't have that.

[@MrGert150]

Good. Get rid of the books then.

[@anonymousdude5550]

Get rid of those filthy inappropriate books

[@macbaryum]

If these books won't convert them, the Drag Queen Story warriors will.

[@NoSpam1891]

If smart books made kids smarter most problems would be solved. No book can make kids gay.

[@Spade_FoxDerg]

@@anonymousdude5550 how? please explain to me how books about emotions, mistreatment, and sex ed are inappropriate? Emotions are just nature, the mistreatment is just the past and present, and we all need sex ed or STD will go wild, we wont know what to do or what not to do when we have consenting encounters, (at AT-LEAST 18, no one under 18 should be doing that, obviously) please explain how knowing some problems with the world and how our body work in a curtain situation is bad/"inappropriate"?

[@sasachiminesh1204]

The reason for access to sexual education at school is because some families FAIL to teach ANYTHING about sex, gender identity or keeping yourself safe from STDS, pregnancy, and being forced to live as someone you are not.

[@DerHirni]

Gender identity has absolutely nothing to do with sexual education.

[@jjamsterr]

@@DerHirni that’s a flat out lie, just think of the idea of conception, disease transmission, or preventative measures you take depending on what sex partake in. Use your brain a tiny bit.

[@DerHirni]

@Jamster You're talking about sexual orientation, that's not the same as gender identity. Maybe use your brain a tiny bit more .

[@jjamsterr]

@@DerHirni if you’ve ever done any sort of research, or listened to what the people trying to get rid of the books say, it’s all about the tie between gender identity and sex and how kids shouldn’t be “subjected” to it. Please use your critical thinking skills.

[@johnanderson4710]

@@jjamsterr that has nothing to do with gender identity but rather just aboriginal diseases. God u people are cringe

[@OneTheBlue]

This is probably the first time I have heard a reporter talk directly about drinking c*m during an interview.

[@fedbia2003]

Exactly. And the way he was trying to normalize it is the frustrating part.

[@omg_look_behind_you]

Damn. I wish the most pressing issue facing my teenage daughter was as trivial and singular as a few books I found to be offensive.

[@Rattlsnke]

I am not conservative and I would seek out some crazy things in middle and high school. I just looked up This Book is Gay. It is a train wreck of misinformation and overall completely ridiculous. It covers very little history of the gay community while teaching kids what scat is ffs. Scat isn’t even a big part of the gay community and it shouldn’t be in the book. This thing should never have been written. I was watching Queer as Folk in high school, which if you don’t know what that is, it’s a brilliant show, but borderline gay p*rn…or really soft p*rn, filled with drugs, and actually would give kids a better understanding of the gay community than this thing ever would. Ludicrous. I get why parents want this thing thrown out. I don’t believe pushing insane narratives like this or things like CRT have any place in school. Dear lord. Hand them a copy of Mein Kampf or have them watch Schindler’s List like my teachers did. History, math, English, etc…we have the internet and each other to learn about this crap. Vice really has turned into such a sh*t show.

[@delonwilliams8806]

😄

[@MrGert150]

It’s not the books its the rhetoric the school is teaching corrupting children you’re either too simple minded or are in denial about the mental health problems in the country

[@strangeaddictions3604]

It's not the most pressing but it is important we stop confusing our children with all this bs.

[@avery754]

@Strange Addictions some children need this and are faced with challenges of being different feeling different and don't know what it is. It is so short minded to believe that we can just ignore this all and not teach our youth.

[@joshuaallen7826]

When the guy said "Oh i dont have any kids" LMFAOOOO sir what are you doing hanging out at school board meetings when you are not in school and have no children lmfaoooooo

[@Chitchat502]

That person know himself, so he sat on extremely the last row. 😂🤣😹

[@nathanieljefferies5491]

He probably is some pervert who likes to have his way with em while they are “pure”

[@AquibA]

To be fair, I would attend this just to tell Muslim parents that they should understand the shifted climate their children faces enough to have better emotional intelligence for the important care towards the gender spectrum, social dynamics, personal space, sex wellbeing. (Am Muslim, not Parent).

[@nathanieljefferies5491]

@@AquibA them parents will go “what right do you have to lecture me about parenthood? You have no understanding of what I go through everyday to raise my children!”…parents like them get super defensive and act like they are special. It does not matter if they are muslim or christian they act all the same when confronted by someone who questions they parenting.

[@AquibA]

@@nathanieljefferies5491 You formed a great rhetoric. "The right I have is being a random citizen knowing that in school they will have social exchanges that you as parents won't ever fully capture, and of their perceptive understanding of the news, islamic-misguided criminal behaviours; and of discussions that will either complicate these real demographic groups + hormonal inner conflicts/affirmations or will accidentally antagonize them because you're raising your child everyday thinking books like these will automatically remove their logical conditioning and turn them into deviancies. When perhaps they just need to channel their curiousity towards their adult teachers that you should cooperate with, or with their parents who can be capable of reading fast enough to have full, analytical discussion with their children. That prescription of growth is the principle of ambitions that I have a right to bring to this attending community event; pridefully to have more resiliently conscious Muslims (who can be womxn/youth/nonbinaries/men)" Sum' along those lines. What do you think?

[@moonelfcosmo]

Their worried about these books yet their kids are probably on Tik Tok and the internet all day seeing far more 🙄

[@ebrimajallow9631]

Ikr, like who read anymore

[@Plimpert]

100,000%, like the internet has pictures/videos of way worse stuff than any book they want to ban.

[@henryjohnfacey8213]

Absolutely right.

[@ohanaproject985]

lol

[@iRxshed]

@@henryjohnfacey8213 no not absolutely right. if they are conservative i 100% bet you their kids aren’t on tiktok

[@ELL289]

Why should they even be reading about drinking semen? That’s gross and inappropriate. Just because some officials believe they should represent everyone, does this really include reading stories in which pranks are played on a character involving drinking semen?? I’m a Democrat, pretty centrist in my politics, but this is completely asinine. Certain factions on the left just can’t stop behaving foolishly and overreacting.

[@LarryMarsh]

No religion has the right to be an influence on all people of our nation. If you want your children to live religiously then send them to a religious school. Or just don't allow your kids to read it. Maybe we should ban religious books from libraries.

[@mahdiahmad]

Secular liberalism/wokeism is a secular religion. So using your logic, secular liberalism/wokeism should not have the right to influence on all people of our nation.

[@l0us3rr]

Well public schools are secular so we've already got that covered?

[@theguythatcoment]

@@mahdiahmad Following your logic the bible should be banned as well.

[@jacobhurst2281]

@@mahdiahmad Are you ok after doing that many mental gymnastics? lol

[@coreylee9342]

@@mahdiahmad Liberalism is no more a religion than conservatism, or do you follow 2 gods?

[@WhyGodby]

7:50 "We're actually filing a lawsuit under the guise of concerned parents" definition: "under the guise of" :by saying or acting as if something is other than what it really is Sometimes they're just not self aware enough to realize they're telegraphing the quite part out loud

[@Harleywayne]

I caught that the second she let the truth slip out! They tell on themselves all of the time.

[@fdfischer]

This or they've never read a dictionary

[@enzysingh2536]

How many kids are actually spending time in the library?

[@jamesmitch9792]

the numbers is lower than the IQ of these parents.

[@Umar_1994_]

you miss the point, from 2 books, it becomes 20; from the library, it goes into every classroom - bottom line is, every parent has a child to control what their child is exposed to, and no sensible adult who cares for their child's well-being wants a 5 year old exposed to this bullshit.

[@nelsonvazquez8104]

Exactly

[@Hazelnutwarrior]

They just want to hurt the minority group of kids/teens from having access to simple healthy narratives. American's swinging for banning books to hurt a very particular set of people (kids) aren't American, they have ill/bad faith agendas. Freedom to be wilfully ignorant I guess.

[@terrencejoesph7010]

As soon as I heard “ kids going against their parents wishes,” I knew this was just all about what the parents want 😂😂😂

[@lovesupreme1]

Right. Especially the gay/Tran ones. I find it odd that they have children that are also gay/Tran you know?😂

[@Bread-nx9fo]

@@lovesupreme1 not sure how it’s surprising, bigots will always project and be bigots regardless of if their kids are different, it’s usually projection.

[@Archeaon]

@@lovesupreme1 I think that probably 99% of gay people are not born from gay parents.

[@lovesupreme1]

@@Bread-nx9fo I’m a proud bigot. Since that word just like racist doesn’t mean anything these days. 😂

[@muslimresponse103]

most parents want what is best for their kids. do you seriously think that the people writing these books or the government who promotes them, want what is best for other peoples children? get real! also children need guidance in early life until they are old enough to make their own decisions. if given the choice, kids would drink fizzy drinks, eat snacks and play video games all day long or much worse than that and never do their homework or even go to school!

[@MootElm]

If I was a parent, I would teach my kids what is right and what is wrong and why and encourage them to reflect and to make up their own decisions and not to allow anyone to influence their decision. Hiding things from the kids will not be useful. The world is full of craziness and if we try to hide one thing, another will pop, if not already there. Better to focus the energy and time to invest in your kids, to do your best to give them knowledge, love, and strength.

[@bpcgos]

Except that they are kids, not all need to shown on children at early age. And they terribly bad at knowing context let alone taking decision for themselves.

[@mjanny6330]

So how often do you take your children out shooting?

[@paulwilliams4371]

@@bpcgos yea I don't think for the most part people under maybe 12-13 would be reading that. Also believe it or not teens are capable of deciding what they want to identify as its not hurting them and nor will it hurt you. this homophobia that is all over the place doesn't make sense to me 99% of the time gay people are not hurting you in any way and its not like going at them will help (not say you said that) just can't see why people can't live with people that are not straight

[@EnormousPurpleGarden]

Agreed. The only reason to be afraid of teenagers being sexually active or even just exposed to the concept of sex is if the said teenagers don't have the necessary knowledge to handle it, which will only be the case if sex education is sorely lacking. If one actually cares about one's children, one would want far more discussion of sex. Trying to avoid sexual discussion in schools to "save the children" is self-defeating and creates the problem that they claim to be trying to avoid.

[@JoaoOliveira-rk8gv]

Why not just let them be kids? What decisions do they have to make that is so important? Hiding can be helpful, specially sexual and political themes. School should be more play and socializing for longer times than simply the learning model we have today. We are imprinting them with bias of past generations. We ought to protect innocence for longer. Just my opinion.

[@SR-yz7wg]

I wish parents and adults who become this concerned about the content of education would instead just funnel their money and resources into funds that teachers could make use of year-round. The fact that most teachers pay for classroom resources out of their own pockets or work multiple jobs just to make ends meet is the most egregious problem in education today.

[@ShotsMerkzAll]

What makes you think the funding wouldn’t go towards unnecessary filthy books?

[@theswamps6589]

@@ShotsMerkzAll XD i hope youre joking

[@ShotsMerkzAll]

@@theswamps6589 It’s not a joke, it’s what actually happens

[@raphaelostrowski6336]

There’s plenty of other books that’s more educational not these dumb books

[@jeremyborno6502]

​@@ShotsMerkzAll What's truly filthy is red states who FAT, UNEDUCATED, CAN'T EVEN SPEAK PROPER ENGLISH, AND ARE ALWAYS ANGRY. The authors and readers of the books are way more intelligent and healthier than the Neanderthal parents😂

[@smarie3874]

Sometimes reading books on difficult subjects can help kids make informed choices. I read “Go Ask Alice” in high school and it has detailed depictions of drug use. That book was way better than any adults at telling me why to stay away from drugs. It literally, in detail, shows exactly what path drugs can take you down. The example they read sounded like an example of sexualized bullying and peer pressure to me. Why not have kids read that, think about why that’s not cool and stand up for themselves and others when/if they face it? You better believe they will be exposed to peer pressure at some point and (sadly) likely sex/gender based bullying too. I like the opt out idea, if the librarian scans the barcode and their parents have opted out they don’t get the book. Simple.

[@TTVFails]

''Why not have kids read that'' They are kids that's why, they should at least put a age restriction.🤔

[@corinaferrara1164]

Lol Go Ask Alice was wild…it made me much more curious about drugs and when I grew up and realized it was meant to fear monger I was so disappointed.

[@speccogecko7296]

Go ask Alice was devastating and incredibly haunting. I still do drugs but I’m very strict with myself because that book is a scar on my brain.

[@Joyful_Smiles]

I agree. Tupac's Brenda's Baby helped me to understand young girls who are pregnant and scared. I remember adults back then, especially church members and elders, would demonize these girls. There was no compassion or support for them by the adults who should have protected them.

[@jmehmed5915]

@@TTVFails you do your children no service taking away knowledge unless you really want to screw

[@stephenbrand5661]

The saddest thing about this stuff is that it distracts people from the economic issues that have allowed the richest people in America to become richer and richer while everyone else falls further behind.

[@stephenbrand5661]

@@NSOcarth The real cause isn't some great mystery. Back in 1977, the average American CEO made 35 times as much as the average American worker. Now, that CEO makes 300 to 400 times as much, and the Republican Party has done everything in its power to make sure that the wealthiest Americans pay less and less in taxes. It's no wonder they want to talk about banning books instead.

[@lily_likes_music668]

PREACH MA GUY

[@carinam.9447]

These people would have an absolute mental breakdown if they would see Germany's most popular teen magazine, Bravo 😂😂😂

[@ahsookee]

I assume you mean because of the sex education section. Surely they'd dislike sex education in general, yes. And then claim young women becoming pregnant accidently is their fault

[@LinguisticSugar]

Or any Swedish commercial with tits

[@rolfkrajewski4975]

I love Dr Sommer 😂

[@bufordard]

Can you get that magazine in school? I'm from Slovakia and it's normal on basic television, but people would never allow it to be taught/ manipulated/ brainwashed/ groomed.

[@ahsookee]

@@bufordard It's not available in schools but sex education is done in biology classes in high school anyways

[@biboibio]

It’s always the people with no kids who have so much to say…

[@reddead6842]

Why would you bring a child into this world. Parents are selfish as F.

[@AbuBased731]

@@reddead6842 >[To Win Le ev0luti0nary game] >[Continuing my bl00dline]

[@simplysasha19]

Mans never read the whole book and doesn’t even have kids, like the audacity 😭

[@jeremiasrobinson]

He probably hasn't read, not just that book, but any books at all.

[@nelsonvazquez8104]

@@jeremiasrobinson exactly

[@nelsonvazquez8104]

Lol 😂

[@Mamamel81]

I know right!? "I didn't read the book, but I read that page." 🙄💀

[@stanarcer8741]

😂

[@gregrichey840]

You only need to read the writings of people like Michelle Foucault, Gayle Rubin, Judith Butler Pat Califia etc to see where this is heading. Those writers and promoters of QUEER theory that is pushed by education wish to normalize sex with children. Foucault wanted age of sexual consent laws dropped to toddler age. Do you need to know much more than that? When they say they are coming for your children you should take that seriously.

[@IndicatedGoodLife]

The crossover nobody wanted and definitely nobody needed.

[@albertjose8879]

the only thing left is for everyone to be in hijabs and burqas

[@EmirAbdKadder]

I'm lost in it all. I just now want to move to the middle of Death Valley in a hut.

[@EmirAbdKadder]

@@albertjose8879 literally watch these these ' conservative ' white parents start doing that......

[@lebronjames4705]

The type of keep people divided smh if regular white Christian’s and Arab Muslims can get together anyone can. Just tell blacks to stop falling for democrat lies like BLM and WAKE UP

[@johnanderson4710]

@@albertjose8879 based af

[@PlanetSharkFoot]

Kids pay the price in many ways when fragile adults try to shield them from reality and keep them from learning about themselves and the world around them. They don't stand much of a chance when the adults in their lives can't even be mature enough to educate their own selves and have open intelligent conversations about sex, identity and the struggles of growing up.

[@wingnut6985]

Kids pay the price when immoral adults try to push sexualization and degeneracy onto them

[@ryan5758]

oh I'm sure the kids are totally suffering from not learning how to be a f****t. They should learn how to be proper men and women, learn useful educational skills and play sports. I'm so sick and tired of your liberal world.

[@jenalatz3589]

You're XX or XY not XYZ.

[@donovanlocust1106]

@jenalatz3589 There are other chromosome combinations , m0r0n

[@jenalatz3589]

@@donovanlocust1106 XXY sex chromosome which is rare but none that change as you get older...remain Blissful

[@The_Dude_Rugs]

The crossover we’ve all been waiting for

[@channel_no_longer_active]

Republican and Islamic forces join together to defeat the woke virus!!!

[@thecarbonprop]

Sunday at the dome! Monster trucks, wrestling and book burning! 😂

[@auntymarushkafah]

Redneck Girls in Burkas!

[@SubvertTheState]

@@channel_no_longer_active God is good, Alahu Akbar. Whatever gets the job done.

[@Rocket_Man.]

Good old fashion book bonfire fest

[@Primordial...]

Im not peddling pornography im just putting porn in schools, whats the prob

[@laylapreater7813]

The kids are gonna learn about it regardless of the books are there or not 🤦🏾‍♂️you can hide your kids from the world but you can’t hide the world from your kids

[@Antonchigurh_]

That’s not the point. Why are childless homosexuals so obsessed with teaching kids about sexual activity?

[@oonegro82]

Why kids these days don't have smartphones, and access to the internet... 🧐 they understand what incognito mode is for....

[@mskerczak]

Oh no, people can definitely keep their kids from the world. People keep people from the world.

[@braniefanie4938]

kids are gonna get groomed wether you like it or not so we may aswell groom them now LOL weirdo

[@HaidarAli-dg5vo]

world??? you mean west?

[@cristobalvillarroel2618]

the book goes out its way to show the scene in that page as a traumatic event for the protagonist, it`s lterally telling the reader how to identify an abuse and this people want to ban it to prevent the sexualitation of kids lol they want to ban a tool for abuse prevention in order to prevent abuse

[@down-to-earth-mystery-school]

Yep, what that was describing was male hazing, very abusive and dangerous bullying.

[@awesomedez]

If you’re gonna try to ban something, at least know what you’re banning. What until they learn about Ulysses or Catcher in the Rye. Or the Invisible Man. Or the Cantabury Tales. I can go one....

[@studybeanie]

Isn’t there a orgy at the end of 1984

[@kylerobb8066]

To be fair, those books are, shall we say, a bit too advanced for the mental acuity of a vast majority of the people who go to these sorts of meetings just to scream and yell.

[@joee7978]

Or the Bible lol

[@grumpybear123]

They want to ban some of those books too. It was a long list, they just focused on these in this story.

[@HimboVegan]

@@studybeanie 1984 is like half graphic sex lmao. I was really surprised when I read it. To be fair the sex represents freedom from oppression, radical self expression, and rebellion. Its complex and nuanced, but still, LOT of fucking lmao. There are at least 5 or 6 such scenes if I'm recalling correctly. But no it ends with SPOILERS: The main character and his girlfriend being tortured and brain washed until the conform. They lose themselves and don't just pretend to conform but truly believe in the system. The torture scenes are even more graphic than the sex and sorta framed as the inverse both thematically and litterally. Its sort of meant to be a warning as well. Plus an emotional gut punch to really make the book stick in your mind.

[@alejandroarias248]

As a gay teenager, I wish that I had read books like these because it would've been super relatable and made me feel less alienated from my peers. Yes, there are sexually suggestive parts of the book but that's because its realistic as to the kinds of experiences that many teenagers have growing up. I don't think that a book is ever going to make a kid turn gay because that's not how sexuality works at all. If your kid is going out of their way to look for a book with LGBT themes, chances are they are already questioning and exploring their sexuality and these books will help them understand that there is nothing wrong with them. Im grateful that my parents are accepting of my sexuality, but for someone growing up in an unaccepting, conservative, and religious family and being queer, a book like that could be the thing that keeps them from suicide. Its so sad to see how there is still so much pushback and ignorance keeping us from continuing to make progress and create a country in which someone can just be queer and live a life free from bigotry.

[@sabersin5368-c2c]

As a fellow teenager, I’m glad this book was banned. All this book does is validate the degenerate behaviors of degenerate teens who are pathetically insecure about their identity. Y’all need to grow tf up and stop indulging in degenerate culture that revolves around your gender and sexuality.

[@MrBibi86]

I know. I agree. if these books were around when I was at school it might have made me feel less alone. these idiots think you can catch GAY like it's a disease.

[@星yve6wns]

Sexuality isn't necessarily innate. Particularly if you're going to claim it's fluid.

[@UltraEgoMc]

Sorry but YOUR personal experience doesn’t trump other children’s well being and innocence.

[@nt_partlycloudy21]

@@UltraEgoMc As an lgbt person, I felt like crap in high school because i had no one to talk to. Reading books by lgbt authors really kept me going and motivated me to come out to my immediate family and close friends. For some lgbtq students, these books are really important, and taking them away can be really harmful.

[@michaelbartley407]

That one page was kind of a yikes, but this is not a textbook. It's just in the library. When I was in high school,it was Catcher in the Rye and Huckleberry Finn.

[@haadikhan9729]

Catcher in the Rye was not on Vice News. It was not the book all kids are curious to read about as *** in the bottle

[@6ixConfessions]

I remember reading 'The Pigman' & 'Pardon Me, But Your Stepping On My Eyeball.' by Paul Zindel & while there were some steamy moments in both books, about 2 in each that were, as a whole of little consequence to me as a teen, it was the stories themselves that stayed with me & what the characters went through as teens who were feeling lost & lonely until they formed a strong bond with someone else. The books were deeply poignant & even now, they should have their place in a school library. Kids will learn life's lessons hwether we want them to or not so, it's better to be prepared & ready to talk about it than to bury your head in the sand & pretend that you have total control over what they're subjected to on a daily basis.

[@targgthewise2892]

Sure let’s compare literature to gey underage pron books. Derp

[@dinkyboss]

It’s cringe but let’s not act like young men don’t do stuff like this

[@friedrice4015]

@@targgthewise2892 there is tons of sexual references and innuendo in catcher in the rye, I don’t think its an unfair comparison. There’s literally a prostitute character in it.

[@monacomorob9044]

I'm on the parents' side... tf is wrong with these teachers indoctrinating kids

[@kate178946]

The only common sense comment. The rest of the comments scared me. People are lost

[@maher.k22]

@@kate178946 don't undermine the power the far left have on the web, these social media companies are run by the same people that are pushing for this sick ideology on our kids

[@xwrtk]

The books that are being banned aren’t even required reads. The parents are just banning books that aren’t being taught but just put on the shelves for anyone to read. The actual pretty sexual books that are being taught often don’t make the banned book list by parents. I can easily give people some of those book titles.

[@monacomorob9044]

@@xwrtk Even if it isn't a required book, the teachers in this video encouraged kids to read it. One female teacher stated in the video 'the book covers suicide,' I guarantee she'd be promoting this grotesque book to kids.

[@xwrtk]

@@monacomorob9044 Some children are interested in those certain topics so the teachers suggest. Suggested books to read aren’t the same as required. Most children already learn about suicide in school. Most children have to read Romeo and Juliet. I was first introduced to suicide from reading Romeo and Juliet.

[@zaovi]

i mean… they said these were in high school and i feel in high school if parents are trying to hide everything from their kids and keep them “pure” by their choice they are incompetent anyway lmfao

[@mattkaz9604]

Honestly, even if these books have content that may challenge some of these people, odds-on they've been selected by qualified librarians and school groups as they overarchingly have insights into these issues. Comparatively, if you leave your kid, bereft of any sexual education, to source their own material on these topics you are almost certainly going to end up having them select and absorb far worse messaging.

[@xxxbigboidraco]

U would support adults writing books about kids sex, lmao stop sexualizong young kids yall some weirdos/pedo’s

[@forest12able]

So if I wanted to make the kids read atlas shrugged or the fountain head…. Would you still agree?

[@user-kb8rc5vq2i]

@@forest12able I think you'll find that none of us find the kids having those books avialbe to read in the school library to be of any concern.

[@ArisaemaTriphyllum]

@@forest12able I read all of Ayn Rand's books so I could effectively challenge them. The monologues are cringe boring. Like completely CRINGE boring. Also - Ayn Rand lived off of social services while she wrote Atlas Shrugged - yet she doesn't believe anyone else should get social services. Typical right wing hypocrite.

[@ArisaemaTriphyllum]

@@user-kb8rc5vq2i I'm about 99% positive Ayn Rand's books are in every library. Children will hate her books though, very boring. Except for "We the Living" (the shortest book) because it's interesting insight into how privileged ppl react to being treated the way her family treated peasants for decades.

[@michaelcorns1789]

She literally said "under the guise of concerned parents" 🤣🤣🤣

[@BenDover-xf3we]

Because they weren’t parents of children at the school genius. 😂😂. Let us all know when you catch up!

[@rivasimri]

@@BenDover-xf3we If they're aren't parents of children of the school, they should have no say in said school

[@EnormousPurpleGarden]

Because their concern doesn't come from their role as parents, and they know that. The only reason to be afraid of teenagers being sexually active or even just exposed to the concept of sex is if the said teenagers don't have the necessary knowledge to handle it, which will only be the case if sex education is sorely lacking. If they actually cared about their children, they'd want far more discussion of sex. Trying to avoid sexual discussion in schools to "save the children" is self-defeating and creates the problem that they claim to be trying to avoid.

[@theswamps6589]

@@EnormousPurpleGarden exactly...

[@whipcrack.mp3406]

"we have filed a lawsuit against the school, under the guise of concerned parents" the stupidity 🤣🤣🤣

[@jaeelder7535]

thank you, i was waiting to see this emphasized

[@MsZephyra]

She's not really great at words or nuance, give her a break :)

[@Clitdick2000]

@@MsZephyra no

[@whipcrack.mp3406]

@@MsZephyra no

[@lanetracarther7282]

These parents are fools!!! Even the guy that isn't a parent is a fool. Parents really think that banning these books will protect their children. Hiding the truth from children is not protecting them. It harms them even further. And shielding them from books that talk about sex and sexuality will only tickle their curiosity, and they'll find the book outside of the school library. I feel bad for kids today. They are being robbed of incredible literature out there, and the parents are to blame for it.

[@fubytv731]

This is not even about books. If schools provide them, it will be taken as a deliberate insult to their belief. Children getting them from outside though, not so much. The thing about religion, every opinion that contradict theirs can be taken as an insult anyway.

[@kraftpunk6654]

"This Book is Gay" isnt just a book that talks about sex and sexuality. It's literally teaching them about kinky sexual fetishes like golden showers, scat eating, & strap ons. Do you find that an acceptable thing to teach a 14 year old?

[@jeremyborno6502]

​@@kraftpunk6654The book teaches EVERYTHING about sex and sexuality dummy. So the answer is YES OF COURSE. Sexual kinks/fetishes are not the only things in the book.

[@tunkytunky]

​@@kraftpunk6654exactly, it is not "incredible literature". Something is very wrong with those librarians, teachers, and school boards.

[@E42545]

One time years ago when I worked in a bookstore (I was also a teenager), a teenage kid came in with their mother who was exactly like this. I witnessed the kid present a book they wanted, mom look at it, and hit the kid across the face, laugh, and tell them they were “f-king stupid for thinking they’d ever be allowed to read some s-t like that, let alone be smart enough to read it.” (hypocrisy of that statement duly noted) So I calmly told the mom she was disturbing other customers who had complained and that she had to leave, bought the book myself and held onto it until the kid came back in alone (they were around 17) and told them they could either take it for free as a gift or i could keep it here for whenever they wanted if home wasn’t a safe place to read it. I think about them all the time, esp in the midst of all this, and hope they’re doing well and don’t have contact with that monster anymore 😇

[@BenDover-xf3we]

This didn’t happen. You are way too desperate for attention. Get a life… a real one… with real stories

[@xiqueira]

Youth sometimes need just one adult to feel validated. Thank you for being that adult.

[@pinlight97]

Good for you!

[@E42545]

@@BenDover-xf3we weird thing to choose to not believe on a video where you have concrete visual evidence of people being exactly this insane and hateful 😂 best of luck to you here in the real world where things like this unfortunately do happen, regularly. 🙏

[@E42545]

@@xiqueira thank you! I was 19 and without a ton of resources myself so I’ve spent a lot of years since then hoping it was actually helpful/wondering how they wound up. This happened a lot (with parents getting irate about certain books literally just existing in the bookstore) but that was by far the worst. I’m glad this video exists/hopefully will show more people that there’s plenty of fascists alive and well in the world- and they are very loud. 🙃 We are very much not in a post-book-burning world and it’s scary af

[@jennamakesbugs]

Imagine if all of these parents took the time they have spent on the internet being drawn into conspiracy theories and culture wars ... and then actually spent that time being a parent to their children and forming the sort of bond that allows you to have conversations within your family about important issues. But no. They don't want to parent their own children but they certainly want to have a say in how your children are parented while they cover the world in mythological bubble wrap so that no child from henceforth will ever have a chance of becoming functioning adults.

[@Carlos_Alcaraz]

Hi pedophile!

[@karrybosco7966]

I prefer not to read porn in any school.

[@colbywood9936]

@@karrybosco7966 ok then tell me exactly what porn is in these classrooms and then provide me an in text citation on the exact exerpt that’s supposedly porn. Because it’s obviously not porn. You’ve never read any of these books, you’re overlords at Fox News told you it was bad and you’re to o much of a sheep to ever disregard your masters.

[@Sarah-kv3qs]

Where was the porn? Be very detailed in what was pornographic in nature in that comic books they claimed. They showed nothing explicit. In 6th grade they are searching up worse on the family computer. Some of you are not sticking to facts

[@Sj27m]

@@Sarah-kv3qs Since there are kids on KZbin i dont really want to say what they say except vaguely. One book taken out of schools talked about (minor) boys ( doing something) into a bottle and then drinking it. Another one talking about( minor)boys (doing something) in the back seat of a car and a "big dollop" of do do landing on the seat of the car. They use the c word, the b word the p word over and over and disgusting language that would make a porn reader blush. A lot of under age sex and filthy disgusting language that would sicken anyone but a truly sick depraved person. No kidding. I've worked on construction sights my whole life with very fowl mouthed men and I've never heard anything to come close to the language in some of these books.

[@1evilgsta1]

yo the lgbt rly caused an epic bossfight crossover lmao

[@Umar_1994_]

moral of the story: don't mess with people's kids

[@Apple-mg6jr]

@@Umar_1994_ cringe.

[@Plimpert]

@@Umar_1994_ do you also ban kids from using the internet?

[@nightskyj7579]

@Umar I think the message is these people need put down there so called religious books and actually go back to school and pick up a book

[@sneer0101]

It's not a crossover. They're both right wing

[@Filmfist]

"Schools are no place to teach blah and blah." Um, that's weird, i thought schools were the places where you TEACH things!

[@moy2010]

Not in 'murica

[@nurlucidamente9246]

“Teach blablabla” teach that peeing in the face of someone is funny, just one example

[@Stwmaniak]

I'm sure the realtor didn't intend on lending credence to the opposition, but I really feel like her saying "under the guise of concerned parents" says all you need to know.

[@phoenixhenson3689]

Look how powerful the Government is now.This should send chills up a persons spine. School Boards didnt have this much power years ago and why dont they have to register for solicitation of a minor?

[@Don-md6wn]

Fox News has rotted your brain.

[@phoenixhenson3689]

@@Don-md6wn what makes you say that

[@coldwar45]

I've figured this was going to happen sooner or later. It was just a matter of when.

[@WSmith_1984]

Do you know what is the book?

[@coldwar45]

@@WSmith_1984 There was two. One was This Book Is Gay and the other is Flamer.

[@juliahcornell]

I read books that were about as graphic as this one (which is to say not very graphic at all) in my high school English classes, because this stuff is a part of life, and it's part of art, and teenagers understand that.

[@FloriaG777]

While it was the 90s and the internet was significantly less in data and accessibility as it is in 2023. I sought out banned titles as a high schooler. I definitely wanted to know what those in power didn't want me to know. Hopefully free literature based databases will make issues like this obsolete. Although, I'll always think nostalgically of the beautiful feel of book pages between my fingers...

[@FloriaG777]

lol ... I think you better reflect on your analysis skills there, buddy. I believe goody two shoes was once one of my nicknames. Spent a lot of time as a rebel between school (3.9 GPA), working part-time in high school, athletics, student council activities, etc. As for the advertising, I am not certain where you attended school, but the only advertising I observed happened to be the actual books. There is a pretty good chance that my knowledge of the selection process just might surpass your own, especially considering I was employed by one for four years. Sorry, my writing isn't up to your standards. However Mr. Not susceptible to marketing. Judging by your comment, I find it difficult to believe you spent too much time in the library, righ?. It is never too late though, so let me offer some recommendations, "1984," "Unspeakable things," "Brave New World," "The Red Head of Auschwitz," "When Nietche Wept." Read those, then comment once more on susceptibility. comment once more on susceptibility.

[@MuslimJusticeNetworkAlliance]

Is VICE still going? I remember when they used to be respectable. Now? They just defend...vice. They didn't show the other book's content, they dare not.

[@tcct01]

"Any book worth banning is a book worth reading." -Isaac Asimov

[@boom8906]

How about the Nazis book? Are they worth to read?? Or only work for the ones you agree with it?

[@lansmgroup6540]

@@boom8906 great point

[@johnherriot6056]

@@boom8906 That's the point, there is nothing inherently wrong with learning about anything. Reading a book like Mein Kampf does not make someone a bad person, if anything it gives a better understanding of the evil in the world. Banning things just limits people's brains.

[@darcycullenward7568]

What's ur opinions on mein Kampf then? 🤔

[@sathesh4019]

What even paedophilic erotica?

[@rubbersole79]

Public schools should not be teaching anything about sexuality to minors without the parents (who are paying their salaries) consent.

[@mitchrodee]

He’s not gonna have kids if he only keeps coming in bottles.

[@sarahnicole45]

What I got out of this: "I'm an inept parent and cannot and won't parent my child(ren) and expect the school to because I'm too lazy to do it myself."

[@theswamps6589]

Also: "I wont educate my kids on sex in the hopes that when they first have it, they wont know what to do and how to have it safely, but everything for the kids right!!!!!"

[@lillianp8900]

sexual explicit novels and sex education are two different things

[@reddffox]

"I don't wanna read the whole book," says the man who wants to ban a book. We live in the stupidest timeline.

[@okaykatieokay]

I met Juno Dawson when I was 15 at a Stonewall conference. She gifted me her book, signed it for me, and through reading it I came to understand myself a bit better. It is ridiculous people think there is something inappropriate about that book.

[@NEWBOTANICA]

people just want to feel important nowadays, they'd much rather "protect" closeted kids from finding their identities rather than saving the earth...

[@DrGingerHamster]

You were 15...see any difference between 15 years old and 6 years old and why parents might be concerned that their 6 year olds might have access to it?

[@FlamingWalrus317]

@@DrGingerHamster The book is available to high schoolers, not grade schoolers numbnuts

[@kdilli6426]

Only people who haven't read a single page

[@theswamps6589]

@@DrGingerHamster Are you serious? What 6 year old child would even be able to go to the library unsupervised, and then pick, read and understand these books?? A 6 year old child most likely (here in germany at least) just entered first grade... like??????? Even IF it could, this would not harm them.. I really dont see your point.

[@jlee5821]

I wonder how many of these parents allow their kids to have phones that connect to the Internet or have any sort of contact with someone that does?

[@Atheism-And-Normative-Ethics]

Too complicated for them.

[@jimgrant4578]

They all do. The kids just learn to hide whatever weird stuff they look at or read.

[@BasedBlackPrism]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

[@laetitialogan2002]

Absolutely

[@Occam31]

I, as a father, get to have some say about what material my son is exposed to at school. I do not, however, get any say about what material your child is exposed to. This concept is really not difficult.

[@fedbia2003]

Exactly. Schools shouldn’t make blanket policies saying what kids should and shouldn’t be exposed to.

[@jamalkani1979]

The part of the book that he read is enough for him to reject it according to Islam, he doesn’t need to read the previous or following page for context

[@damian928]

Coming from a teenager myself on this topic, the more a parent pushes something towards a kid, the more they’re going to rebel. Kids and teens want to learn about the world around them. Sure, there should be boundaries and restrictions, but shielding them from the world completely isn’t the way to go.

[@bacon6501]

Not allowing kindergartens to access books endorsing elective/cosmetic chemical castration and mastectomies for minors in government funded institutions is not "banning" anything...

[@down-to-earth-mystery-school]

When I was in high school in the 80s, Tipper Gore went on a rampage about the Beasty Boys, how their music was warping the minds of my generation. Lawsuits were filed and eventually the warning stickers were put on CDs. When they told us we couldn’t listen, every student had a bootleg copy. You think they’ll never learn…

[@katiez688]

She went extra hard against Too Live Crew. MTV only played their video late at night anyway so most kids would have never seen it. I only saw images from it and heard some of the lyrics BECAUSE Tipper Gore’s cruscade led to it being covered in the news during the day.

[@sirus312]

Exactly and their lyrics were about busting nuts and drinking it. we turned out fine!

[@scottdellaire4552]

That’s so true…..memories. Memorable.

[@moonstruck0125]

I am with the parents. Protect our children from this madness.

[@marcborras4337]

I don't even have kids I agree ...

[@thegreypenguin5097]

kids cant be turned gay!

[@michelebella677]

Oh please, kids will now just want to read the books more now that they’re banned. Wouldn’t it be better if kids could actually come to their parents to talk about anything, rather than these helicopter parents trying to shield their kids from everyday life. What about the parents who want their kids to be exposed to all different types of things at school. If parents don’t want their kids reading books, it’s simple, don’t let your kids read the books. Just like movies. You don’t ban the movie from m everyone, you don’t allow your kids to watch it.

[@NamaGenesis]

Not a real parent, just lazy and attention seeker, also with nazis on this 😎

[@NamaGenesis]

They can also search their issues on it, Why even shelter crusade ? it looks mad

[@anymii6045]

Children are pure and innocent. They should not be free to take any decision about their life untill 18 . No one has right to teach someone kids what they are

[@samueljackson315]

The stuff in those books are tame af compared to what a lot of teens actually say and do in high school

[@timflelter5566]

So? Theres also alot of kids who do drugs when they're in high school. Does that mean that its okay for high school to dispense drugs to its students?

[@idk-se5fg]

@@timflelter5566 no one is saying that. it's literature. words on a page. the point is these "traumatizing" books are nothing compared to what teenagers deal with in real life lmfaoo

[@timflelter5566]

@@idk-se5fg it doesn't matter. He was essentially making the same argument. Just cause kids move in age inappropriate ways on their own time doesn't mean the school needs to prop that behavior up. There's a time and place for everything and that time and place shouldn't be at school

[@joylox]

Sounds like why the school I went to (private) banned Harry Potter and sex ed... We were told it was just something to ask your parents about, but most parents don't have things right. My mom didn't know that having nausea on periods is not normal, or have any advice for what I could do where I'm unable to take hormonal pills. She gave me a library book from the all ages public library down the road, but it didn't really do much either, as it was just talking about how babies are made. I'm asexual and it's been hard to navigate when there's nothing about sexuality and what that is. And I can assure you, if those parents were really worried, they'd be attacking websites. I thankfully got a lot of good sex ed content from KZbin, learning about different period products, anatomy, and how to navigate relationships and boundaries. But there's also a lot of stuff that isn't educational and should probably be age restricted that isn't (or isn't done well). I do a lot with websites, I've taken courses on internet safety, and that is clearly the bigger issue than two books that likely hardly anyone will read.

[@MichaelDodge27]

5:54 "When someone is 18 they can do whatever they want" ...except we want to force women to carry a pregnancy to term because our religion says we should tell you what you can and can't do with your own body or life.

[@EmmaDoty21]

In 2014, 11-year-old me saw the local library’s display for Banned Books Week. I started writing down the titles of all the books they listed. Knowing that there were people who didn’t want me to read those books made me want to read those books.

[@savannahreed3186]

Sales for a banned book go up when that book gets banned. Also, what you said reminded me of the South Park episode where Mr. Garrison tricked the whole class into reading JD Salinger's 'The Catcher in the Rye' by telling them how the book has been banned. Pretty much the whole class hated the book and felt tricked😂.

[@kentuckyboychris]

Like the Turner diaries

[@VanguardArmament]

I would have liked to see Vice interview one of the Arab parents to see what they had to say. It's quite odd that their individual representation was left out of this

[@foofeefog8908]

Probably because they had something level headed to say and that doesn’t make the drama needed for this video 😂

[@xiqueira]

I believe the guy on the couch was muslim.

[@TheMangoAnglo_onTwitter]

@@xiqueira I believe the bald guy who got excited about the excerpt from the childs book is a pedo.

[@Joey3rdeyelasix]

Raise a glass to the teachers who have to deal with this bullshit

[@SouthSoundMom]

Go to the public library and check these books out if you want your kid to read them!

[@Leftistattheparty]

These people think that being gay is just sexualized itself. There are plenty of straight books that are way more sexual and yet it doesn't matter to them because it's not about sex, it's about not liking gay people.

[@_robustus_]

“Our 2 communities have come together, like I never thought they would. Don’t get me wrong. I would deport them tomorrow, if they’d let me.”

[@AlbertKimMusic]

If you don't want to watch the entire video 4:39 7:22 that's all you need to watch.

[@shyft09]

I think a few of the commenters here didn't get to the 7:22 bit about bullying and suicide prevention. So easy to call for the banning of a book that hasn't been read

[@Wingedbull751]

So vice does not find anything wrong with sexual explicit acts like drinking cunning a children book to be problematic at all. WTF

[@freekashyyyk896]

It’s wild that people are complaining about the schools indoctrinating the kids. Indoctrination is intended the purpose and function of schools. They’re not really against indoctrination, they just want students to be indoctrinated with something else.

[@smartypants6198]

Just hearing that passage was disgusting.

[@JaredGSternRogers]

I’ve read both of the books in question. I’ve owned the first since I was a freshman in high school myself. Neither of them are pornographic AT ALL. This Book is Gay, the one that I own, is an educational handbook on how to live safely and healthily as an LGBTQ+ person. It’s well researched, well written, quotes studies and medical professionals, and is all around just a plainly innocuous book.

[@sparkles999rose2]

It’s not about banning books for adults it’s about protecting children. Giving sexually explicit content to minors is a felony.

[@squirrellax]

I don't get why the reporter doesn't understand how a parent would want to keep their middle schooler reading that filthy book

[@KenanTheFab]

keep abusing your child, Matt.

[@DrGingerHamster]

@Follow the howl There are sexually explicit images in Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, and others. Unacceptable for K-5 kids.

[@curtisthomas2670]

This teamup is sooooooo understandable and overdue. Surprised it took so long

[@Lichenroc]

Yep Bible thumpers and jihadis a match made in heaven or hell depending on who you are.

[@tunkytunky]

Wasn't it even prophesied in Islam?

[@mattg4836]

I remember being extremely influenced by the books in my library and not the Internet

[@confidenceezinne8007]

📩📩💌...✍️

[@nadublox]

that was in the 1970s bro, its 2023 now

[@jmehmed5915]

He most likely influenced in a good way

[@sabersin5368-c2c]

So basically you weren’t a real human?

[@madanigaming6595]

You're old matt

[@DarkReapersGrim1]

I'm Muslim and I don't agree with this. It's one thing to oppose the teaching of something, you have that right as a parent. It's entirely another to ban books/literature. When I think of "book bans" or "banning books," I have the images of fascist America burning books in a pile (which they've done many times before). Just tell your kids not to read them.