These Oregonians Would Rather Join Idaho Than Be in a Liberal State

Some conservative Oregonians living in rural areas are trying to move their county lines into Idaho, reigniting a secessionist movement that’s been brewing for decades.
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[@ricebuckets]

As many conservatives say “if you don’t like it you can leave” right?

[@linger4605]

That's when they'll tell you this is their country and for you to leave, communist!

[@jam5533]

That's what I was thinking as well.

[@ROLtheWolf]

Just sell your shitty cabin in the woods and get one in Idaho. Though, I hear, they're selling like hotcakes there, from all the morons trying to flee liberal policies of inclusion and equality.

[@jonathanblount6437]

Conservative is the way to go.

[@myawallaceee]

@@jonathanblount6437 democrats and republicans are 2 wings of the same old corrupt, bird..

[@unaeki]

“Good America, and bad America” That mindset is the answer why all of us are in this mess.

[@g-cgeneralcontractor8903]

Absolutely ‼️ well said 👍🏻😎

[@Hozugi]

Keep in mind that this mindset is not limited to republicans. Its enough to go through comments beneath this vid to notice that liberal/democrat part of America sees the other side as the "bad" side as well. Thats pretty sad because when you have two sides that dont want to find any common ground or move towards understanding other side's values because other side is just pure evil and bad - nothing good comes out of it.

[@g-cgeneralcontractor8903]

@@Hozugi Absolutely regardless of political status or beliefs. We are all human beings that need to try to understand each other and help each other. Not create divide and potentially hurt one another. 👍🏻😎

[@mayastic9570]

@@g-cgeneralcontractor8903 to be fair I see a lot off conservatives leave comments in interviews about killing me so I'm not that interested in giving even an inch at this point...

[@pizzaburger9928]

@@g-cgeneralcontractor8903 theres one side who hates minorities, gays, trans, immigrants, free healthcare, freedom of religion and we all know who that side is. So let's stop the centrist bullshit

[@lordansem2]

You know this is probably the same kind of person who says, “If you don’t like it, leave.”

[@Ahzpayne]

Or the kind who says "Life ain't fair, snowflake."

[@watamatafoyu]

And then denies he ever said it

[@mazzb305]

@@austingoomba Him technically doing that would be picking up and moving to Idaho genius.

[@petergreen5337]

Nothing could be TRUER.

[@-Oclock]

they are leaving, they love the land, they hate the lawless snowflakes burning down cities and making the place a shithole.

[@Cinephile1016]

The larger underlying problem, especially when it comes to ranching and farming is that you do have state legislatures in cities passing legislation that don’t think about the effect it has on rural citizens. That tax on diesel could very well be a death sentence for a farmer who is counting pennies and who has to buy thousands of gallons a year.

[@paultidwell8799]

Don't care, buy an electric tractor.

[@lars8319]

@@paultidwell8799 says the guy who buys all his food at the store and has never grown anything in his life

[@paultidwell8799]

:::yawnning::

[@PeansINbetweens]

@@paultidwell8799 you dont know much about that side of things do you? theyre pretty much on par with how bad they are for the environment

[@cahilla54]

@@paultidwell8799 electric tractors aren’t viable because they only have run times of a couple of hours. Get with it

[@krusher74]

"I like democracy but only if i'm part of the majority"

[@justandhans]

That’s basically everyone in our country tbfh

[@westonsmith7772]

No it's more like..we have lived in a true democracy and now we have inner-city morons and youth that are told to hate America bringing their Anti-American agenda on the rest of the population. The left tried to get Trump fired from day 1 until his very last day on any made-up lie they could think of. People are tired of living in societies controlled by the media...one that constantly lies and spreads propoganda.

[@justandhans]

@@westonsmith7772 Young people are seeing that religion and Republicans are antiquated and don’t serve their day-to-day needs. No one is being taught to hate their country, but to be critical of it.

[@westonsmith7772]

@@justandhans If you don't believe in God, I hope you find the light. Even those that aren't of faith have some sense of morality. It is ingrained in us. When you have a party that has their media brethren that put out articles on whether or not the American flag should be viewed as offensive, I'm sorry, but you won't have a country if you can't identify as one in the first place. It's hilarious how many are so spoiled in this nation. But continue to fight the fight against free speech and the rigjt to bear arms, amongst other things. The men will try to take care of this country while you sit on your high horse, with your skinny jeans and latte.

[@justandhans]

@Alex B It’s like 70/30 and continuously trends that way every decade

[@FireFox-er7qj]

Those “small” pockets of blue have millions of people while those large red pockets only have a couple thousand people.

[@whippinsaw]

In Oregon is where the video and all the comments are talking about. Some states are red but on the whole we lean more blue

[@TheDeepDiveOriginal]

And those small blue pockets count on the big red pockets to deliver them the food, they require to continue their little marksist liberal punk life. Millions of tons of it.

[@madmanszalinski]

@@TheDeepDiveOriginal they count more on corporate farmlands these days than private farmers, so the power of food is rapidly being taken from the hands of the rural areas

[@mjstecyk]

@@TheDeepDiveOriginal So you're saying the success of the red pockets is dependent on the blue pockets? Blue pockets also pay for roads and infrastructure for the big red pockets to enable them to actually participate in the economy.

[@AJ-sw8uf]

@@mjstecyk Or… how about they are co-dependent

[@ricky19grr]

Buddy straight up said libtard in a serious conversation

[@88mphDrBrown]

@@johnpapst7941 is this performance satire or are you actually this stupid?

[@johnpapst7941]

@@88mphDrBrown You're too comfortable in your echo chamber. Greetings from the Netherlands.

[@-Teca-]

@@johnpapst7941 LOLLL IMAGINE BEING EUROPEAN AND EVEN WORSE BEING PROUD OF IT😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭👎👎🤣🤣🤣😭

[@tc5328]

How to lose credibility for your movement in one simple word.

[@stevechance150]

@@-Teca- No No, his life is MUCH better than yours, unless you are part of the 0.1 %. I've been to Europe, I've seen it first hand with MY OWN EYES. Unless you are sitting on 30+ Million in wealth, the average Citizen in the Netherlands has it much better than the average citizen in Kentucky.

[@I_am_somebody_1234]

To those who think Greater Idaho is gonna happen, please take into account the fact that big cities make the most revenue and Greater Idaho is very rural. It would be a economically stagnating State and life quality would lower due to simple economics. Also Oregon isnt gonna give 75% of its land to Idaho just cuz 3% of Oregonians want it.

[@fvckcen5ortube147]

No you misunderstand, IDAHO doesnt want you. We are completely intollerant of marxist ideology, which would be CRT (Based of of Karl Marx's Critical theory, which Stalin used to fuel his own cultural revolouting until he culled them- "useful idiots" as he said) We think that meds are a choice not a requirement, and your not going to make it a requirement like portland, that went as far as to allow minors to get the vacc without the parents consent OR knowledge. Thats sick. We wont pay $10 a pack of cigs, or $4 a gallon of gas, or accept any of your ridiculous financial policies and decisions. With that in mind, we dont hate you, but hell if we want you here as is and no one wants your land weirdos

[@Monarch_Prime]

@@fvckcen5ortube147 how is CRT related to marxism?

[@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69]

@@Monarch_Prime You Cannot Reason People Out of Something They Were Not Reasoned Into

[@Monarch_Prime]

@@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69 ?

[@tas11117]

@@fvckcen5ortube147 critical theory was formed shortly after the second world war (primary in Germany until the advent of WW2) and has continued to be developed ever since. Critical theory was not a polical philosophy in Stalinist Russia. You seem to be some who likes to do their own research, why not read some books on the topic instead of regurgitating stuff you read on Facebook on KZbin comments?

[@ianloughney9570]

You gotta feel bad for all these people who can't get visas to move to Idaho

[@t.a6159]

Lolz

[@angelam2057]

😆

[@fred4089]

🤣😂😃

[@RoninMike-DR]

@C. T. L. where does he belong? Let me guess pro-life christian conservative, man I can pick these bongholes blindfolded.

[@Ms.Williams84]

😂🤣

[@BookofFuture]

Liberal Southerners have been largely disenfranchised but aren’t seceding from their States.

[@Yvaelle]

Texas is literally trying to pass a "Democrats can't vote" bill - and they're still fighting to fix their state, not run and hide and cry to mommy Idaho.

[@utmbunderground]

@@Yvaelle They literally left the state.

[@zephyrschiesser5408]

@@utmbunderground No, some government officials left the state in a political move to prevent people's rights from being taken away. The liberal/democrat citizens aren't whining to have borders changes for them.

[@utmbunderground]

​@@zephyrschiesser5408 No ones rights are being taken away - cut da bullshit. It was big hoopla about nothing, and they left the state to prevent quorum, which is illegal. Hopefully they are prosecuted for that act. The point I was making to Yvaelle is that Democrats have - while a minority - enough representation even in a conservative state like Texas to still effect legislative changes; whereas the super majorities in Oregon prevent the rural areas from doing that in their legislature. Thus, you see a different tactic, in contrast to Texan Democrats leaving the state to prevent quorum, Rural Oregonians are relegated instead to hoping for a transfer of their land to another state because they do not have significant enough representation to pull such a maneuver.

[@blasphimus]

@@utmbunderground If they want more jobs then start a business? Start a co-op . All of a sudden they want government to fix their problems? How much money does it take to dig a hole? None. You just do it. It doesn't cost money to build houses just resources. If you have the wood it costs literally nothing. What do you think people didn before capitalism was invented?

[@baddreams0919]

"the majority has the agenda" yeah.....thats how democracy works

[@genossestampede2754]

Disgusting politicans and their... agenda! I enjoy my politics without agenda🤔

[@charlessnortley4519]

Trumplicans when they had majority loved the hammer of Denial.

[@xtrafranky]

And that’s also one reason why democracy sucks, its tyranny by the majority.

[@baddreams0919]

@@xtrafranky that depends, I believe democracy works at a small level. Aka cities ir towns

[@Unshackled.Dreamer]

Rural conservatives tend to believe democracy is bad. Thats why they advocate for the electoral college and jerrymander districts. I know because I grew up and live in rural eastern Oregon. One of the counties that voted to leave actually

[@heyheytaytay]

Meanwhile hundreds of Idahoans drive to Ontario, OR just to buy weed every day. But bruh, if you don't like it Idaho is happy to make you pay for sales tax, and offer shitty low-paying work.

[@fatdaddyeddiejr]

That's funny that you say that about people from Idaho coming to Oregon to buy marijuana. Because Oregon State Police will call up their counterpart in Idaho. And tell them what cars to look out for for buying marijuana and then taking it across state lines.

[@anarchorepublican5954]

....and if they moved the Border those Idahoans would have to drive hundreds of miles farther to get legal weed....so Idahoans are definitely not gonna support this...its already too much of a pain in the butt...

[@ianmeyer4182]

@@fatdaddyeddiejr nah not usually

[@americafkyeah8695]

We actually drive to Montana which is another red state with lots of Trump supporters 😎

[@americafkyeah8695]

@@fatdaddyeddiejr highly doubt they do that 😂

[@mikebauer6917]

Oh course they gladly take their farm subsidies, highway funds and other rural welfare.

[@CavemanTravels]

I bet you think BLM is a good organization.

[@Misselfilmen]

It’s only evil socialist communism when someone else does it lmao. If they do it it’s ok.

[@DgurlSunshine]

now they are burning us out

[@mm5478]

@@CavemanTravels It beats the NRA or GOP. Both of those cabals are full of insurrection retards. They're about as useful as t*ts on a bull. See, I can use your stupid sayings, too.

[@CavemanTravels]

@@mm5478 BLM has done nothing for the Black community where as the GOP has.

[@DoneDealAC]

Ok so what about the Democrats in red states? Should they be allowed to merge with nearest blue state?

[@psulionz87]

HELL YEA BROTHA!

[@thesaint9276]

Ya why not?

[@GameByGame]

No they'd rather manipulate the Senate like in DC

[@Delvy787]

@Null Null Manipulate the senate in what way?

[@GameByGame]

@@Delvy787 get more senate seats despite being a tiny territory that would not be practical to administer as its own state, nor have the cultural precedent besides politics

[@OnGodsLevel]

the funniest part was that guy saying the word "libtard" in a serious conversation

[@chemoboy-dannypheleps9234]

Their ability to surpass grade 2 level thinking by gluing two words together for name calling is inspiring.

[@mcwilliams4546]

Funnier to me that you think you’re on God’s level…

[@Midwest..]

Conservatism is a mental disorder 😎

[@ismth]

lmaooo

[@2dope96]

@@Midwest.. and liberalism is the lead up ideal to authoritarianism

[@jamesbreedlove6490]

As a Southern Oregonian,I would like to encourage these ranchers to sell their multi million dollar plots of land and leave.

[@dawndunstan4218]

As an Idahoan, please keep them.

[@corinneobrien6196]

Wait... how much wealth do these ranchers have? How many millions...?

[@LunaticTheCat]

Same

[@jeromefitzroy]

Yeah

[@jamesbreedlove6490]

On the whole, agriculture doesn't make much money. Net income isn't that high. However, the value in agriculture is in the land and in the equipment. When we look at the value of the assets of the people in question, they are worth much more than the average American to the point that the average farm is worth over a million dollars. Of course, with the value being in the land and equipment, they would have to sell to cash in. How much they are worth would depend on the size of the ranch and a few other factors, and I tragically don't have the time to try and figure it out. I recommend looking into the work of Dr. Sarah Taber and Sarah K. Mock for more details on agriculture as a real estate venture.

[@tehfryguy]

I bet these people are totally fine with the rural states being overrepresented in the Senate. Totally fine with gerrymandering as well... For their cause. Oregon state Senate GOP frequently leaves to boycott everything. But we only hear about the Texan Dems doing it. I'm sure he doesn't mind his local GOP holding the state hostage.

[@Halo2012me]

You know that Democrats do gerrymandering to right?

[@tehfryguy]

@@Halo2012me you know Republicans overwhelmingly do it more? You know Republicans overwhelmingly make laws to limit voting right in states they have control over? You know the Republicans have completely changed the rules in many states post 2020 to overturn the popular vote for the electoral college voting? You know the Republicans have been re-counting votes via dark money traced to conspiracy theorists to find a "stolen"election, but with no prior credentials beyond Trump's entire false rhetoric? I can keep going. However, it's fun to see you cherry pick one small point in my paragraph.

[@jonhall2274]

@@tehfryguy wouldn't bother, most republicans are literally science denying, fact ignoring, screw the majority's opinion, only for their agenda mindset. Better off trying to convince a brick wall.

[@freeloader69]

My rep actually threatened to shoot any cop that came to find him when he was hiding at his vacation home in some sh** state so he and his dipsh** buddies could prevent the “commies” from trying to help the environment. He was convicted of helping insurrectionists enter our state capitol on January 6. Mike Nearman. Look him up. He’s no longer my rep, but I had to deal with that idiot.

[@alixir3010]

Great. Now I have a new argument to use. Thanks 🙏

[@nate6045]

What's funny is these are the kinda people that when you criticize the police and their political party, they will tell you "if you don't like it then leave" yet they won't actually move their asses to Idaho, they want Idaho to move to them. 😂😂

[@LeeeroyJenkins]

Portland doesn’t like the farmers messing up the senate seats either. It is mutual, the only difference is how they want to divide the state up.

[@whippinsaw]

@@LeeeroyJenkins right. But it's hypocrisy from these guys saying all the time, "if you don't like it here, just leave". Also what do you think blacks thought when they got freedom in the south. Do you think those states treated them and their votes fairly? A lot had to move to northern states. So move if you are oppressed

[@LeeeroyJenkins]

@@whippinsaw You mean they self segregated instead of solving the problem. MLK stayed in the south and fought the problem. Not everyone is willing to risk their lives to solve another person’s problem, henceforth they avoid the problem.

[@ChristinaGerard433]

@@LeeeroyJenkins Risk their lives? bruh what are you talking about? all they have to do to is sell their land, which is pretty easy these days, most 150 miles east buy new land. Done. You make it seem like they are trekking the unknown across dangerous land.

[@diegoaespitia]

i mean... if ur a farmer... u can't just pick up and move... sooo... whats ur point

[@penguin303]

"Let's go back to the Civil War", nah, let's not.

[@nearby222]

Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@LeeeroyJenkins]

Ngl, he had a little bit of my sympathy until he said that.

[@johnthemachine]

People who talk like that usually are 50+ pounds overweight, have heart problems and or are fast approaching 65 and still consuming copious amounts of alcohol. We saw them at the capitol beating up cops who were only armed with shields. Guys who couldn't run a 6 minute mile but got somewhere using football rush tactics. Id love to see what kind of "civil war" would ensue if these guys in Oregon tried that nonsense against fully armed Marines, a Tank, and an Attack Helicopter with shoot to kill orders. I'm not sure it'd even be considered a battle, rather a massacre.

[@Shottamanrambo]

@@LeeeroyJenkins sympathy?

[@thankyounext365]

America is not United enough on anything. American views are a spectrum. There are not enough extreme liberal or conservative people to sway the country entirely one way.

[@jamesroland800]

We in Idaho do not want our border changed, if you in Oregon want to be part of Idaho then move here.

[@Affluent-Ghetto-Blackman]

Aren’t these the same people who say they don’t want the government involved in their business?

[@moioioio]

yah, hahaha. the same stupid people. lol

[@linger4605]

These are the same people that will not want Biden to tell them anything about their guns, but want Biden to step in and fix the immigration problems in their state

[@Fox9582]

Buch of hill billies

[@Badmemphisurbanism]

You’re comment makes zero sense.

[@iamnemoo]

Yea but they want farm subsidies and other rural welfare. Just keep giving them their handouts and we can just keep ignoring the the cornfield welfare queens throw their tantrums in their fly over states.

[@jerseyboyce1]

they dont want to move, they want the world to move around them

[@lanciadr]

No it is not. It is about about the urban (majority) of Oregon that does not take any account of the input of rural Oregon. When they make laws actively trying to put you down, then why not separate yourself? They are the people of the land, they work on it, they follow the laws, pay taxes, yet the state basically treats you as dirt. It is a peaceful resolution where both parties win. The state of Oregon has nothing to loose if this does happen.

[@jerseyboyce1]

@@lanciadr i don't care if everyone affected votes for a thing then gets it. but you still described democracy. democracy isnt fair. it is merely the will of the majority.

[@gwynjustice6664]

It will, and unfortunately for them they won’t like it when it inevitably does.

[@bigchief70]

You want to live with conservatives?

[@seibertsmiths]

Yeah, the people inside those proposed new borders agree they want to change those border. What aren't you getting?

[@DoubleGoon]

"Good America, Bad America" When you talk like you hate us why would we value your input?

[@lakobosmerkel]

They pay taxes.... Probably more than you.... And they get a say

[@Derty_the_grower]

There is a lot of bad america that is on team biden, and constantly talks bad about anyone that is in the country, white, or straight men in general.. especially THIS channel commenters, and msnbc,etc. Get a clue, like whoa.

[@mastersonogashira1796]

This is like gerrymandering at the highest level

[@whippinsaw]

Lol farmers get like $20,000,000,000 a year in subsidies. These Oregon farmers probably don't but to say good America, bad America. Lol cringe. Go move to Hungary or something.

[@whippinsaw]

If you don't like it, you can leave, right?

[@RTristanBanks]

Ah yes, the good ol' "but look at how much red is on that map!!!!" This is just the last screams of landowners losing their grip on power. You own 40k acres? dope. You still get one vote.

[@virginia644]

Exactly. Land doesn't vote.

[@SYLFan2008]

@task force whisky : Now it's army and guns.. Goodness. You're playing your greatest shits, aren't you?

[@chadleach6009]

Sure, but why should they not be allowed to move to another jurisdiction more in line with their political, economic and social needs? It's like you want to keep people prisoner.

[@JoelWhoKillz]

@@chadleach6009 They're allowed to move, they aren't allowed to take state property and run away with it because they don't want to follow the law set by the state it's in.

[@chadleach6009]

@@JoelWhoKillz they are also allowed to join another state if the people of that community vote to do so. There not running away with anything, they are just changing jurisdiction.

[@Felcaster]

Land. Does. Not. Vote. My parents who were Republicans used to say it as well: "If you look at the map it's all Red!" We are a representative government of the people. No one wants a corn field deciding the election. They might have opinions on the ethanol market

[@Anon-yz1xr]

No, it does not. But popular sovereignty does have the unfortunate side effect of meaning that the people in the urban cities get to proscribe policy that affects rural people. They feel the government in Salem doesn't represent them or have any room for their problems, and having lived in both western and eastern oregon, I'd be inclined to agree.

[@Vaporifix]

@Kenny Powers I don't want deranged loons who believe ridiculous conspiracy theories to shield their fragile ego to vote either but it's their right.

[@JustAGooseman]

@@Vaporifix Is that why in the past 2 elections there have been formal investigations by the FEC into voter fraud and that they HAVE found voting fraud taking place but didn't have enough formal evidence outside of hear-say and video to actually prosecute? If you actually think that the federal government isn't ran by corrupt people trying to line their pockets then you are delusional.

[@pizzarat3275]

@@JustAGooseman So their inability to find proof of voter fraud is evidence now?

[@larslayton4472]

One is inhabited by producers of food for the entire nation and the other is inhabited by people who do nothing but waste food and resources.

[@VanlifewithAlan]

Wouldn't it be easier if they moved to Idaho?

[@thedavidjscott_]

Shhhhh. Don’t tell them that. It’s already too expensive to buy a house here

[@VanlifewithAlan]

@@thedavidjscott_ I understand your point. I would not want them in spoiling the neighbourhood!

[@xcitadel5763]

Hard to move a 32k acre ranch, this actually might be easier.

[@jakeoht791]

@@xcitadel5763 Maybe fix their perceived problem rather than run.

[@GameByGame]

Wouldn't it be easier if people in DC moved?

[@PTC61]

If they are successful, they will quickly discover how much taxes collected in urban areas subsidize them. Their income and property taxes would need to go up 30-50% in order to maintain their schools, roads, bridges, water systems, etc.

[@xSP3CTREx]

Just wait until the big cities figure out that the majority of products, food, and supplies they use are not made anywhere near them. It would be a shame to starve out entire blue areas, real shame...

[@brianlauren5618]

those taxes are collected from urban areas because urban areas are their primary consumers lol

[@jamesdragonforce]

@@xSP3CTREx Yes both sides would suffer.

[@volcrazy89]

@@xSP3CTREx I don't see the big cities whining about seceding

[@watamatafoyu]

It's OK, they'll just privatize everything so they'll pay 50% more on tolls than they would have with just taxes.

[@willkey8196]

This movement isn't going to happen but if multiple counties are even considering leaving your state it shows a massive failure to represent these people at a political and state level

[@mmlas8683]

The ‘blue dots’ he’s talking about are where most people actually live. These people need to realize that land doesn’t vote, people do.

[@EvilVacuum]

Because they think that puts them in the majority, more land covered. It’s like conservatives turn off logic to make them the majority and the victim at the same time.

[@RozenHusky]

The people who live cramped up together like that are all idiots, whoever they vote for.

[@EvilVacuum]

@@RozenHusky the larger the city, the more services, attractions, and choices it has. Some people aren’t happy with a single Family Dollar for grocery shopping and a greasy spoon for the lone restaurant.

[@yugen3968]

@@RozenHusky Not everybody likes kissing their sister mate. All the services you're enjoying come from those idiots who live in cramped cities.

[@RozenHusky]

@@EvilVacuum That's a pathetic view of the majority of America... You need to get out more.

[@stephenbarnes7241]

“You see a mass of red with blue pockets…” For the love of God, somebody tell these people that 12 million people don’t live in the fucking vast expanse of the Great Plains. Last I checked, 400 acres of wheat can’t cast a vote.

[@draunt7]

It actually can. that's the whole premise behind the Senate.

[@LsElite4210]

That 400 acres also feeds those 12 mill, I’m not saying this rancher is right but they way this country treats farmers is messed up

[@stephenbarnes7241]

@@draunt7 You're looking into it too much. He's equating color amount on a political map to vote size in the nation. A poor comparison that, oddly, too many people think on. It isn't the first time I've heard something along the lines of, "You see all that red?! How the hell is a DEMONcrat winning this?!" Like I said, 400 acres of wheat can't vote, but the Rancher that owns that land, can. No matter who you are in this country, whether you're the smartest, dumbest, laziest, hardest-working, whatever, your 1 vote is equal to another's 1 vote.

[@operationNOBO]

You are shitting on people who generally are the big food producers of America. Politics in Oregon have gone far too left. They are trying to introduce a bill to ban hunting, which is a tradition and livelihood for many people in E Oregon. On top of the extreme environmental laws that affect ranches and farms, you are killing food producers. Unless, you want to eat impossible meat for the rest of your life, you have to understand their reasoning. And vice of course isnt talking to the right people for their own benefit on this topic.

[@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS]

@@LsElite4210 they do business and sell crops. Feeding people is just an aftereffect of business. It's not doing anyone a favor and they by no means have an obligation to do so. If they don't want that business, they don't have to do it. They're not doing anyone any favors. Simple capitalism.

[@SeorgeGoros]

“We are tough patriots who fight for Freedom and democracy but if the democratic process is not in our favor we will throw the biggest fit the world has seen for a while” Conservatives

[@MiguelARuiz-er8bk]

@dingle Berry totally agree. It doesn’t matter who you vote for and or believe in. United States is fucked unless we “Unite” as a country. But we are only humans.

[@joshsmith503]

I mean every side that isn't winning their way does this we just watched for 4 years leftist throwing a fit because the right was in control and the previous eight years the right throwing a fit because the left was in control

[@EvilVacuum]

@@joshsmith503 you have to admit though, one side is consistently portraying themselves as the down trodden, the forgotten, the victims. They forget though, that many of the ways they are marginalized affects people regardless of political party. It’s just usually those who see themselves as the victim don’t have empathy for people who are different from them, because - they’re the victim.

[@bettzysdaddy]

@@joshsmith503 But the leftists didn't try to annex land already established, nor did we try to cede from the Union. You guys seem to be cry worse and threaten violence and cession because it's not how you want things. If you want a leader to force your lifestyle on everyone, move to Russia/China/Belarus/North Korea

[@joshsmith503]

@@bettzysdaddy i think you forgot southern democrat leftist did in fact cede from the the union. Or when California wanted to secede from "trumps America"

[@djp5414]

"Can't we just exist together" as he literally just casually threatened civil war

[@totallynotnoone4380]

It’s not civil war, it’s perfectly legal to change state borders and create new states. It’s happened many times before in American history

[@Jamesaepp]

He didn't threaten civil war. He literally said "I want to keep it away from the violent side."

[@ani-fail]

@@totallynotnoone4380 It's happened once before, during the civil war, when the federal government recognized a unionist legislative body in VA that supported the formation of WV. Good luck convincing the state government of Oregon to cede 75% of their landmass.

[@chadleach6009]

To taxation without representation, if these people don't feel like their views are being expressed why should they be forced to stay?

[@JoelWhoKillz]

@@chadleach6009 They aren't forced to do anything tool, they can move whenever they want. You don't like how America works you can leave, that's the saying right?

[@jab23702]

It's almost like being a minority kinda sucks 🤔

[@neeneko]

Sad thing is, they have immense political power, but they still see themselves as victims because they don't have ALL the power. There is a reason this community puts out so many militias, separatists, and sovereign citizens.

[@acuy2434]

Hmm so the so called Minority in large city aren't Minority after all.

[@sacramentoguy949]

Hundreds of miles of roads, power lines out to their houses, telephone lines, police and fire, schools, and welfare. Do they think the population of 2000 people pay for all those services? Alpine county in California wants to split off. It has a population 1101. That's 1.5 person per square mile. Of course the government seat doesn't listen, no one lives there. Also please don't tell me about rural morality when Alpine county has such a large percentage of Meth heads.

[@JohnDoe-pt7ru]

@@neeneko "immense" political power. Yes that's why they don't feel represented at all.

[@kapitan762x54R]

Imagine unironicly droping "libtard" unprovoked.

[@JundunYashua]

Imagine if you knew how to spell...

[@jacobw2573]

and without shame on video for the world to see...

[@kapitan762x54R]

@@jacobw2573 yeah. "Why can't we all get along" they say. Jesus..

[@kapitan762x54R]

@@DarkeningDemise I didn't. What are you on about?

[@jacobw2573]

Darkening Demise if the right’s constant xenophobia isn’t enough to provoke, then jan 6th definitely is...the right is obviously fascist.

[@Hotsauceonmy]

Thought he said we’re blessed to be rural Argonians

[@sneedmando186]

Oregon belongs to the Nords

[@PKB94]

Your sentence makes no sense. Lol

[@Luchingador]

They are argonians and Idaho is full of dunmmer

[@TheHyena-ru8bz]

Hahahaha best comment ever haha 😂🤣made my day

[@Grassy_Gnoll]

The warm sand of Elsweyr is far away from here.

[@cuseyeti5243]

These "Good America/Bad America" philosophers love discrediting urban dwellers. I like asking them the following: who transports your products to market, who sells your products at market, who buys your products at market, who transforms the raw materials you produce into the finished goods that sell at market, who maintains the shipping ports to ensure that your product has a wider customer base, who builds the equipment you utilize daily? Oh yeah, urban dwellers. We live in a symbiosis. When we drop the city mouse/country mouse b.s. we'll be much more productive and all better off for it.

[@Andyhoffman98]

Took the words out of my mouth.

[@lemiphil2388]

Everybody has a role to play.

[@ivryrayborn5970]

You couldn’t have said it any better

[@ivanvalera3250]

Not until they get those robots going then ur screwed

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@ivanvalera3250 yeah, I'm sure rural Oregon has plenty of robotics engineers to design, build, maintain, and repair them.

[@shomest2239]

Can't we exist together, as humans*? (*some terms and conditions apply)

[@DgurlSunshine]

AI algorithm Business model is set for profits and depopulation by a number mafia nuclear "research" cartel of data collectors. NAZIS! *I am not a LAB RAT* PIG PHARMA AGRIBUSINESS KILLED ECOLOGY / BAYER MONSANTO SCUM STOLE OUR LANDS & KILLED THE FAMILY FARMER! NUCLEAR BAN! Enough is enough genocide for globalist economic class/caste/religion/race wars! *WE ALL LIVE DOWNSTREAM!* "i was just a pebble"

[@CanOfMinus]

We want peace.... but only on our terms.

[@JallyJam]

People in cities have different needs than people in the mountains, people in cities will always have a higher population and pass popular laws for themselves leaving the rural Folk alienated. That’s why In America we have the electoral college so the biggest cities don’t elect presidents.

[@miapdx503]

We've been played...against each other. Red or blue, crip or blood, pick one. The same stupid thing in the street is the same stupid thing in politics. I'm old enough to remember when Americans were all Americans, and we respected each other. You got played. The elite who told you to hate each other then go and eat and drink and sleep together and laugh at how gullible we are. Red or blue. Idiocy! They are raping the nation financially and telling you "look over there!" Stop seeing your fellow American as your enemy. That's a lie from the pit of hell. Your enemy is the devil. Your enemy is ignorance. It's emotionality. Hate is your enemy. Stop embracing the enemy. Whoever you are reading this, God bless you. Draw near to Him. There's not much time, don't spend it in contention with your fellow man. It's simple; when you hate you please Satan. When you love you please God. The one you please is the one you serve. Choose your thoughts and your words carefully. 🌺

[@TH.417]

No

[@Dead_pixelz_]

I can understand the economic conflicts of interest, like when the rural guy mentioned diesel and property taxes. But when they start talking about immigration and transgenders and abortion I just don’t get that. Those cultural and social issues don’t really impact their lives so why do they care so much? Why do rural folk care so much about what goes on in the cities? They don’t live there, so what’s bothering them?

[@LordOfTheEyebots]

They were raised (for the most part) by parents who themselves had grown up in a time of extreme bigotry... some people grow past it, and some people don’t, sad to say...

[@rascal_rae]

@@LordOfTheEyebots friendly reminder that "transgenders" isn't a word, it's actually just "transgender" or "trans people" :) the more you know!

[@dukekenny9340]

Nobody everyone woke down their throat‘s

[@Dee-jq2ob]

Majority of the workers in eastern oregon are immigrants and illegal. They treat them horrible

[@adampeters9861]

"They don’t live there, so what’s bothering them?" Why do people in blue states care when people in red states try to pass more restrictive abortion laws?

[@brandonwinston7820]

Did he really just say that the civil war was a values issue?

[@grantglow4206]

let me guess you still believe the civil war was fought over slavery...

[@rowanogle]

@@grantglow4206 what was it about then

[@tc5328]

@@grantglow4206 There were multiple causes, but slavery was a major reason for it and that can’t be denied.

[@mrnarason]

sTaTeS rIgHtS

[@prime8nate]

@@grantglow4206 I love how you stay "still believe" like somehow recently information has come to light how it wasn't about slavery.

[@photostudio5861]

Every state has whiners like this. Yeah, lets draw a line around every county or small cluster of counties that feels different than the majority of their state and we'll have about 900 states.

[@NK-vd6wv]

Might not be a bad idea

[@gregfernandez420]

Lmao

[@melapelan2596]

That's fine as long as one group doesn't hold all the power but we know your liberal ways enjoys this manipulation of just representing the city. Keep acting like that and turning people on you surely it'll benefit you

[@David-qq9bk]

@@melapelan2596 blaine county, idaho voted overwhelmingly blue. by your logic you and your conservative ways enjoys the manipulation of not hearing the voices of the people in blaine county. just stop crying

[@Salvic_Brotherhood]

When I make decisions when it comes to voting as an example I don't look at if they're Republican or if they're Democrat no I write down let's say we're talking about governors I write down the 2 governors there are running in the race to be a governor of the state that I live in I look at their policies what they're planning on doing and I just do research on these 2 individuals and I make a list of pros and cons and the one that has more pros over cons is the 1 that I'm going to vote for even if that individual Might be the party that I normally don't represent or support.

[@MakeupMusicandMaddie]

"Men and girls sports leagues" Interesting how he doesn't write women and men or boys and girls. Small details like that say a lot

[@cjmhall]

He said "Men IN girls' sports leagues" meaning he doesn't like trans kids playing sports with the gender they identify with.

[@virginiamoss7045]

@@cjmhall Still, revealing.

[@therealbfunke]

@@virginiamoss7045 that's the point of saying something is to reveal an opinion

[@raymondclouston6255]

yup….language counts

[@virginiamoss7045]

@@therealbfunke The way it was said reveals not an opinion, but something more untoward. You figure it out.

[@hamman9994]

All I'm hearing is "people who live in cities should have less of a vote than me but since they don't I wish I was in a different state but I don't want to move."

[@valfor99]

You are missing the entire point. The people living in rural area has a different view on how things work and what they need. City solutions doesnt work in the rural area. I doubt yiu have been a rancher or a farmer to even remotely understand the difference. Its not like they want to move out of US. They are opting to join with a different state.

[@Bubbles99718]

@@valfor99 You are massively over simplifying

[@Bubbles99718]

The electoral college needs to go

[@h-6191]

@@Bubbles99718 It seems like you dont understand either. What should be controlled by local, county based governments are controlled by the state level. It just so happens that Idaho, Oregans neighbor has state level policies that fits those needs.

[@babayoga3672]

I think he feels more of the vote exists in the cities..it's true in California as well the coast is running the politics there with the major land mass of the state is contrary....the question is when your lifestyle might as well be on the moon to the others, how can you expect equity. I thought the current unrest is about abuse of minority's in this nation yet the minority of states get less benefit than the so called downtrodden... equity doesn't exist in the world

[@christopherebsch3766]

Here's the deal combine a bunch of states into a Wyo-monta-daho-regon. Two senators

[@noellethomas2589]

@Lynette Hicks have you heard of Panama? Canda? Lmao. We’re still connected to South America and Canada, dumby

[@96bars18]

wyomontandahogon

[@oglala3832]

@Lynette Hicks no thanks I just moved to Tijuana to leave the United States.

[@icel8828]

@@noellethomas2589 have YOU heard of Panama? You do realize what’s in the middle of Panama. Right?

[@americafkyeah8695]

That would be a massive RED state. I LOVE IT

[@angiemcmaster1308]

As a resident of Eastern Oregon, I DO NOT SUPPORT this! I love living in Oregon! If I wanted to live in Idaho, I would move to Idaho. There are better solutions to these issues.

[@anarchorepublican5954]

Rural Oregonians should spend a little time in Idaho...before they decide this...I know many who support the boundary move...who have never been to Idaho...Idaho is different...

[@ssfc117]

You’re in the minority of people in eastern oregon. The UN declared the right to self determination a human right, if we actually are to believe in that as a philosophy, you should be in favor. Also you’re prolly some Redmond or Bend head who trots out being from eastern oregon like it gives them some authority to speak for all eastern Oregonians. Dry Portland don’t count, chief

[@mddesign]

I want to be there the first time they have to pay sales tax.

[@timbuktu93]

The “blue pockets” are where the people live in Oregon, fool. They’re not pockets but 97% of Oregonians.

[@chaosXP3RT]

And yet they have more political power, but they have less land and resources. They don't grow food, don't invest in the country, don't mine resources and don't raise animals. They contribute very little in their slums

[@Yvaelle]

@@chaosXP3RT The highest median incomes (the counties that contribute the most to the economy) in Oregon are all on the west coast, generally centering on Portland. The further east you go in Oregon, the poorer Oregon gets, and it's stark. Malheur, Jefferson, Morrow, Wheeler, Harney and Umatilla are poorest counties in Oregon, and some of the poorest counties in the entire USA, and they're also the six Reddest counties in Oregon: that's not a coincidence. Rural republicans love to pretend they keep the country running, but what you actually do is closer to opioids, welfare, and incest.

[@nicholasfu5937]

@@chaosXP3RT Most of Oregon's GDP and economic activity comes from the cities. Rural oregon contributes very little.

[@jasonwilkins1969]

@@Yvaelle that's harsh but the reality is Rural America is generally more destitute and somewhat dependent on government policies that subsidize the Heartland using money collected largely from urban areas.

[@nickreeder99]

@@jasonwilkins1969 aside from like ALL of our food

[@RudieObias]

Why not just actually move to Idaho? It would probably be a lot easier than to secede from Oregon

[@CCitis]

They don't want to give up their land, some of which is probably family land.

[@psulionz87]

@@CCitis family land stolen from the natives, yea...

[@GameByGame]

Why don't people in DC just move?

[@helldeirch]

@@CCitis they can sell it and buy another land, they just don't like democracy

[@giannirocco7492]

@@CCitis they prefer to be a bunch of whiney,little babies crying for any kind of attention they can get!Growing up might be a wise option...

[@manegrindshard]

I guess the "if you don't like it then leave" mindset only applies to certain people lol

[@JallyJam]

And I guess minorities living under their own representation goes for only certain races.

[@DiogenesOfCa]

@@JallyJam They have representation, stop crying.

[@thechosenone1533]

They want to leave. Didn't you watch the video?

[@DiogenesOfCa]

@@thechosenone1533 No they wanted the border moved for them. Talk about entitlement.

[@manegrindshard]

@@thechosenone1533 the whole point of the video is they’d rather move the border then move their ass lol.

[@knudsenj100]

I grew up in rural Northern California surrounded by people who would complain "they" (the population in SoCal) didn't get "it" (I never know what "it" was). Now I live in rural Oregon and 40 years later hear the same complaints. It will be interesting to see what happens with population migration in Oregon and Idaho - If young people keep moving out of cities it will change the rural communities. If they resume migrating to urban areas then the increasingly liberal Bose will drive Idaho's politics just like Portland does in Oregon...

[@kbanghart]

What part of oregon? Like, what town?

[@aasisch]

I remember one of my friend telling me “ You know Minnesota is actually pretty conservative, its only Twin cities that vote democrat” and I was like “ You mean an area where 90 % of your population lives” At 6:00 when this guy talks about small blue pockets and “sea of red” its the same thing. US is thoroughly an Urban country where almost 90% of the population live in an Urban area or in that small blue pocket.

[@cc-dtv]

they are so concerned with all the rioting and looters in their communities i guess fox news is poison

[@alicesrabbit7126]

It's funny that republicans have been brainwashed on this. "Welfare democrats" in urban areas bring in around 80% of this country's wealth...these areas also by and large voted for Clinton in 2016 and even more so, Biden in 2020. Republicans can't win, they don't have the population, they don't have the wealth. They have the guns and leaders who are literally working 24/7 to keep democrats from voting and re-drawing districts and now, state borders. Just a party that knows they have to cheat and change the rules bc they can't win. We should give them Texas and let them build a wall around it.

[@thezfunk]

@@alicesrabbit7126 This is what I was going to say. The 'red' parts of the country are resource sucks. They function because of the money from the 'blue' areas. From what I heard, Idaho doesn't want them because they bring nothing to the table, economically. They would just cost the state more.

[@Brandolupa]

As someone who lives in Eastern Oregon i can attest that very few of these idiots have actually looked into what the count gets in funding from the state vs what we pay to it. The three largest cities in our country combined are less than 50k people (21k 18k and 10k last time I looked) with a total population of around 80k. There are neighborhoods in portland with more population than my county...and we are one of the more populous of eastern Oregon. The whole plan is ridiculous and not thought out at all. One of the things they failed to.mention is that they would "modernize" the port at coos Bay to be the main export site for grain from greater Idaho, ignoring that the current main port in portland has both rail lines, and the Columbia leading almost directly to it where coos bay has neither so it would take massive infrastructure improvements for both the port itself and the road ways, and would lead to a huge increase in truck traffic, driving up costs compared to shipping grain down the river in barges, all while getting lower wages for not all that much lower cost of living

[@lanciadr]

@@cc-dtv Yeah, it is not like it did not happen ,right?

[@rashad123us]

This man thinks land mass on those maps represents voting populations/individual voters. Those red areas would be tiny specs if that was the case 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ 5:50

[@Noah341]

That was a "big fucking moron" moment for sure.

[@cc-dtv]

MY COUNTY IS BIGGER LAND SO WE GET BIGGER VOTE GET OWNED LIBTARDS

[@lobsterpots]

Why should city dwellers reap the benefits of that extra land? Its just an arbitrary man made border after all. If the people that live there would rather be taxed and exist in Idaho's system, they should be allowed to use local representative democracy to do so

[@asajayunknown6290]

@Anastasia Delicious Nothing really. I'm from a tiny, rural community. Grew up working hard, sweating profusely, and getting paid very little. I've lived in a metro area now for 30+ years as an office professional. I feel that I'm pretty good at seeing both the urban and rural positions. The problem is: people like me are extremely rare. Most people have zero concept of the other life. They've either spent their whole life in rural or small-town OR they've always been urban/suburban.

[@betzaben.3021]

@Anastasia Delicious yeah, same. I moved here from a small Pueblo in Mexico and lived in LA and Vegas and Minneapolis, but I’ve also lived in Pequot Minnesota with the population of 300 and one road for several years and a small town in NC too far to ever properly shop. I think they need to take personal responsibility and accountability and JUST MOVE. Like everyone else does when they don’t like where they live. Like an adult. This honestly seems like a temper tantrum. Also, everyone I’ve seen in this video was and old person. They won’t even live long enough to see the consequences of their actions.

[@parryhooper]

They haven't thought it through. Good luck with not raising taxes to pay for $100M+ a year in fighting wildfires on all that land. This will be one of the poorest States in the country after this.

[@ROLtheWolf]

They'll eliminate all the money-making, taxable cities, and only have burnt forests! HAHAHAHA!!

[@michaelfrench3396]

Yeah very few of these people think about taxes where do you think the majority of the state's tax revenue comes from? The answer is it comes from cities. Just like in every other state. And because there is a much smaller population in the rural parts of the country they do not deserve as much representation as The parts that have more people That's how representative democracy works wherever the population centers are, that is where the power is mostly going to be centered.

[@DoneDealAC]

Don’t worry, red states depend on handouts from federal government which is mostly funded by blue states

[@psulionz87]

they'll come crying to the federal govt for assistance which majority of that money will be coming from blue America

[@chaosXP3RT]

Hey, can Oregon and California Democrats stop deporting homeless people to Idaho and Utah while giving more and more benefits to non-citizens? Thanks

[@BOYVIRGO666]

The best part was when he said the civil war was a cultural difference. Way to bury the lead.

[@Shng275]

I mean, he wasn't wrong. One side wanted to maintain the institution of chattel sIavery while the other wanted to maintain the union.

[@americafkyeah8695]

We would win it today

[@NoIwont]

@@americafkyeah8695 says the guy from tennessee...

[@Montfortracing]

@@americafkyeah8695 I do agree with what they're doing in eastern Oregon, but you guys would be annihilated in a civil war

[@javierdrake1803]

Now these guys know what us 5 million Texas dems feel like. Except I’m a proud Texan and would never secede from or leave my state(unconditional love).

[@sbrannon4585]

Naw , we could care less how you feel . Can’t wait 2022 , we’ll get even…

[@Noah-lj4rz]

As a Texan whose lived here his whole life I hate it here

[@jeckjeck3119]

@W W Nah, Texas will soon be blue;) It's gonna make fascists cry again.

[@jakoidtonge]

I love Texas,but Texas has a bunch of idiots.If you look at the certain events that occured in this country,most of the participants are from TX.Great state,good people,but also a bunch of nut heads live here.

[@lilmaxAlarcxn]

forget tx and that flea bit dust wash of a state.

[@d.l.sosnik2135]

one rancher said "they" want to take away their rights, but when asked for an example he immediately went to the 2nd amendment which has not been threatened or changed in any way, and he then laughed about the libtards and the issue was piled onto and the journalist moved on to another concern.

[@freeloader69]

An insightful analysis! Danke!

[@twinbee13monsterhunter]

He also said 1st amendment rights.

[@ohsugar5431]

Do you not recall the Bundy grazing rights standoff? January 26, 2016, the FBI killed Bundy over long standing practicing of allowing grazing on Federal Land. This is where the attacked on rural people started. Obama! Go sit still, you are misinformed and selling a very narrow agenda.

[@keriezy]

@@ohsugar5431 grazing which was no longer allowed so Bundy and crew tried to seize a federal property; sounds familiar (1/6?). Which is what got him killed. None of this has to do with Oregon.

[@GameByGame]

Lol the 2nd amendment has been under threat since the 50s

[@penguin303]

It's almost like population density is real.

[@thesaint9276]

Huh?

[@pearlofpandemonium8680]

@C. T. L. God, I'd love if America was ACTUALLY marxist. Sadly, it's just a bunch of neoliberals and reactionaries, such as yourself.

[@liberalsocialist9723]

@@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444 Have you seen the bread lines in Texas? We already have breadlines. We want to turn the USA more like Scandinavia where quality of life is far superior for the majority of Americans. Instead of strawmaning why don't you challenge our ideas head on like single payer healthcare?

[@chaosXP3RT]

It's almost like the rural people with more land, and resources contribute more to keeping the dense populations fed, and happy than the other way around

[@liberalsocialist9723]

@@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444 Question is Venezuela socialist 2 you?

[@elasmotherium12]

Those who complain that "muh goberment tryna taek muh freedoms" are the very same people who would go apoplectic if farm subsidies were canceled. Pick a lane, you can't have everything.

[@chadleach6009]

Actually most people on that side are against subsidies at all. They more take the view if your going to subsidize one industry it'd be foolish not to try and get some of that money.

[@byunbaekhyun2283]

@@chadleach6009 really? against subsidies?? so funny lmao, their farms couldn't even survive a week if it's not for the government subsidies, they will easily be crushed by competition from much cheaper agricultural products from South America and Asia.

[@chadleach6009]

@@byunbaekhyun2283 they'd just switch to a more profitable product then.

[@fuffthebucks7266]

lol I cannot believe that guy used the phrase "libtard"

[@dadnonlyd3]

it's a catchy phrase in the enclaves of online right wing edgelords

[@pesky716]

Yes you can

[@daftnord4957]

Vice is like "oh hell yeah we got that on camera"

[@tylernero6671]

That guy was probably super butthurt by HC saying "deplorables"

[@BuangAmerikano]

you mad libtard? @Conner Hendrick

[@ryanhenderson98]

“The majority has all the power!” That’s how democracy works bro

[@yardfowl3149]

your right, but this country was founded as a Republic

[@ithaca4201]

@@yardfowl3149 A republic by western standards is nothing else but a representative democracy. Why is this so hard to understand and accept for Americans? Just like the rest of the western world, the US is a democracy. Not a very good one, but a democracy nonetheless.

[@yardfowl3149]

@@ithaca4201 I like it when a foreigner tries to educate me on how my country was founded. Read the federalist papers, Payne's address to the Congress then get back to me.

[@Alex_Gorell]

@@yardfowl3149 a republic is a representative democracy. Any system where citizens get to vote is a democracy. Why is this so difficult for you people to understand. We aren’t a direct democracy but we are a democracy.

[@MaxSnowDude]

@@yardfowl3149 what does that change? We are a democratic republic there’s zero difference

[@RTDice11]

Tl;dr Weird ruralite loves where he lives, hates it so much he wants to turn it into a completely separate state, but doesn't hate it enough to move.

[@chihchang1139]

if these guys were able to make any sense, they wouldn't be republicans lmao

[@janedoe41276]

That's a common attitude in many rural areas. More so recently.

[@RTDice11]

@@supercarakita1148 the Portland metro area also has nearly half of the state's population, and most of the viable ocean access, most of the heavy industry, most of the higher education, most of the *ports* , etc, etc. Urbanites with higher paying jobs, higher value homes, and higher market activity generally end up subsidizing grossly inefficient and economically worthless towns deeper in their states. If American cities became independent most of their parent states would become 3rd-world countries.

[@totallynotnoone4380]

@@RTDice11 American cities are filled with the homeless people of every state. They have no way of producing food. Their divorce rates are higher. The air quality is worse. Suicide rate is higher. Real estate is way more expansive making it impossible to own land. Most importantly you can’t judge a place or people based purely on economic statues. Rural folk tend to be more welcoming. In a lot of towns people don’t have to lock their doors.

[@totallynotnoone4380]

He doesn’t hate where he lives, it just doesn’t make sense why rural communities should function under laws designed for an urban state. It’s just common sense. Why do you think America is a republic with multiple states? It’s because different parts of the country have different priority. This benefits both the rural and the urban in Oregon. Oregon can pass all the laws they want without having to worry about the rural vote, and vise versa. There’s no sense to pure mob rule, is a decision correct just because one side has more people than the other? Does that alone null the opinion of the minority?

[@dampaul13]

Could you imagine the potential for financial pressure on the Idaho budget, taking on such a large amount of land, requiring massive infrastructure spending, with only a small increase in population and revenue?

[@americafkyeah8695]

Because its not liberal, that area will start booming quick. Idaho is already getting packed, with greater idaho another Boise will be born. Its going to be the greatest state ever and its not liberal hahahaha.

[@alexandrostheodorou8387]

@@americafkyeah8695 Nobody wants to live in the sticks buddy.

[@bruhbutwhytho]

@@americafkyeah8695 "Idaho is already getting packed" what!?

[@Gamerad360]

False, rural communities don't need much infrastructure investment compared to cities, and they bring in massive revenue and jobs.

[@alexandrostheodorou8387]

@@Gamerad360 Billy Bobs Meth Head Operation is overblown.

[@AehabCries]

I'm from NorCal and this is the first I've heard of the Greater Idaho border, most people up here want the state of Jefferson, which is a whole other thing

[@westcoast2372]

I’m sorry but state of Jefferson would be pretty dope. (From southern oregon)

[@cadenhenry4446]

Jefferson is a cool idea but it’s not very likely to happen because of the amount of hoops you’d be jumping through

[@NovikNikolovic]

I thought they wanted Cascadia

[@saspurillie]

@@NovikNikolovic Depends on who you ask! Cascadia is more about uniting the ecosystem where, jefferson is about rights

[@NovikNikolovic]

@@saspurillie you from the area btw? Now I'm curious

[@BoldOne8760]

"If conservatives realise they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will reject democracy." Let this video serve as a warning for how the enemy thinks and acts.

[@alexanderfox-robinson4910]

Hilarious

[@chaosXP3RT]

If Democrats can leave the Texas Assembly to stop democracy, why can't Oregonians leave to join Idaho?

[@chaosXP3RT]

My fellow Americans are the enemy and the Democrats will lose the Civil War

[@BoldOne8760]

@@chaosXP3RT Democrats are leaving Texas to defend democracy because Republicans are trying to rig elections by restricting voting for poor people. Conservatives are not Americans, they are all traitors who hate the United States and wish to turn it fascist.

[@Schlabbeflicker]

LMAO by that definition the civil rights movement was a "rejection of democracy". Just because a majority wants something doesn't mean they have a right to take everything they want. People have rights specifically to protect them from the will of the mob. America is literally not a democracy, and thank God for it.

[@rule-of-three1483]

So at most, Idaho picks up one congressional seat, and Oregon can finally pass some climate change and economic reforms. Sounds good, where do I get to put my godless signature of endorsement?

[@izzyj.devlaeminck1487]

Yet only the Portland and possibly Eugene metro area (a very small portion of Oregon as you can see on the map) would be protected by climate change reform. Two nearby towns completely burned down where I live in southern Oregon last year and we would have less protection against reform that could have potentially saved the lives we lost last year... so no

[@brandonboi9465]

@@izzyj.devlaeminck1487 These people make up less then 3% of the population how can you justify that in the name of climate change? pollution I can understand in terms of run off but not carbon emissions? The majority of those are coming from China and India and you guys. (especially China) Who are building a coal power plant every 7 days. Your thought process is like digging a hole (or in this case making the farmer dig a hole) while you have several Chinese fill it.

[@Alterbridge321]

@@izzyj.devlaeminck1487 My first thought when I read into this situation was the amount of beautiful wilderness in Northern CA and Eastern Oregon/Washington that would be decided by the fate of the Idaho state government. Hell no.

[@RyetheBred]

Climate change has existed for 6 billion years now, no state laws are going to affect that whatsoever.

[@Alterbridge321]

@@RyetheBred I've never known that the climate has always been changing... You're blowing my mind right now :o

[@jimhunt1592]

Wouldn't it be easier and more logical for him to move to Idaho than to demand everyone else change for him?

[@theedon501]

As you can see by the number of counties backing the idea, it’s not just him. Portland, Eugene, and Salem compared to pretty much everything east is a completely different culture.

[@jimhunt1592]

@@theedon501 3% of the population or only 7 out of the many countries in three states are in favor of this plain. This is still a small minority of people demanding to have the larger majority accommodate their desires to be different from the majority. It is essentially a small group of disgruntled people saying I want to take my ball home and have my own way instead of working with in the system. I favor universal health care, but I'm not threatening to withdraw from the country if the majority of people don't change their mind and let me have my way. I choose to work with in the system and try to make things better instead of running away to Narnia where I can have my own way.

[@RichardCranium.]

Most people in his area agree support the GOP as well.

[@americafkyeah8695]

No doofus, idaho is getting packed and expensive, expanding real estate is wise.

[@americafkyeah8695]

@@theedon501 yes liberty and freedom 😎 love it

[@HShango]

"our freedom", it is not 1776 lol, us british folks are not invading you lot 😂😂😂😂

[@grindcoreninja6527]

Eh, gun culture is a pretty big deal in the States, I think he meant 2A rights. Which believe it or not I've canvassed for Bernie twice and consider myself a very left leaning person, but I still own several firearms including an AK-47. Unlike the right leaning people I don't think I own them to protect me from the government, I own them because I find them mechanically fascinating and it's a hell of a time betting who's a better shot with friends and throwing some money down for fun.

[@GameByGame]

You're right, it's worse, democracy is authoritarian and every vote is enforced at the end of the barrel of a gun

[@chaosXP3RT]

If the Native Reservations of Arizona want to join Mexico, shouldn't they be allowed? If Alaska wants to join Russia or Canada, shouldn't it be allowed? Isn't that Democracy? If Texas Democrats care about Democracy, why are they preventing it in Texas by refusing to return to session? If Texas Democrats can flee Texas, why can't part of Oregon flee to Idaho? Besides, the US state borders were created by white colonial imperialists. Who cares if they're redrawn?

[@williamlee9428]

The irony is completely lost on them that this is essentially the same argument that the Native American groups have always had about having their land stolen, but coming from those that currently own it.

[@lifesajoke6965]

Since I'm Native American why don't you give me your house then?

[@JohnDoe-pt7ru]

Natives wanted to live on their own land but the "majority" told them to shut up. Sounds familiar here...

[@TheKrjack]

Damn! If they join Idaho, who'll be subsidizing them then? There will be no places with real economic output apart from Boise.

[@brandonboi9465]

The vast majority of "subsidies" are typically tax deductibles (thanks for not taxing us to death I guess) But for some reason media types just lob it all together. The only real "grant" money we get is when the government has a trade spat with another country whose people are our clients. We plan everything with that in mind since we typically only get paid once or twice a year. We have no voice in that side of politics and I can't for the life of me understand you guys in the urban area's won't let us go? You clearly have nothing but disgust for us, so why keep us around? Not like you'll ever visit us?

[@TheKrjack]

@@brandonboi9465 "Tax deductibles"?? LOL! Look at the government income and expense by county and you'll that the only ones getting less than what they pay in are Portland and the surrounding urban counties. Rest are welfare queens.

[@johnendersby1619]

I don't think these guys should assume that their taxes will go down. A very small population and a lot of infrastructure without the economies of scale of cities.

[@TheKrjack]

@@johnendersby1619 They might go down and then the Federal government will step in to provide some welfare just like it does to the majority of red states. Or the taxes might go down - they'll just privatize everything and you'll have to pay a toll to roll out of your driveway. But hey, NO GUBERNMENT TAXES though!

[@brandonboi9465]

Your government is full of crap then because we sure as hell don't get any of this money your talking about. And how does Portland pay off anything when the city is broke? You honestly think infrastructure costs the same here then it does in overcrowded cities with a three day shelf life? Because if what your saying is true then your local government is pocketing a fuckton of cash because we're not seeing any of it.

[@LotharOfTheHillPeople]

"Greater Idaho" is the dumbest idea I've heard in a while. By this logic, can't every major city in a red state then split up their state to gain political control?

[@TroopperFoFo]

Yes. They are technically aloud to do that. Its how West Virginia split from standard Virginia. They voted to succeed and be their own state.

[@LotharOfTheHillPeople]

@@TroopperFoFo The context you're missing in that case is that was during the Civil War when Virginia seceded from the entire country. There is no modern precedent for a state splitting up due to political differences.

[@louismoran9413]

God I wish major cities would become their own states, leave everyone else alone.

[@dathip]

@@louismoran9413 Agree!

[@issstari954]

@@LotharOfTheHillPeople Actually there was no legal precedence to due that if your arguement was true west virginina would of rejoined Virginia due to the agreement post civil war but the supreme court ruled on it and decided this was not the case thats why there was the possiblity of splitting califorina a while ago

[@adammyatt3499]

Idaho is against marijuana. What great farmers they are anti-plant.

[@Derty_the_grower]

Yep, many of them are still massively uneducated on the medical proven science of the endocannabinoid system by Dr. Ethan Russo.

[@dimmadometv]

Yeah how stupid do have to be to not want to ruin people's lives

[@whippinsaw]

@@dimmadometv my dad smokes everyday and works as a plant manager, is happy and healthy. My grandpa drank everyday and was cruel and died young. You are misinformed. Weed doesn't kill people. But it's not a saint ethier. If you are against alcohol too then you are a better man than I.

[@slimshadyjr9889]

Conservatives hate weed. They’re happy that it’s still illegal in some states

[@dimmadometv]

@@whippinsaw Weed does considerable damage to your prefrontal cortex, a part of the brain commonly associated with risk taking, and goal chasing. Just because it is better then the alternative doesn't make it good

[@krystaldavid8940]

These are the same people that'd go "If you don't like it, then leave". If they don't like Oregon... then leave. Move to Idaho.

[@PBAmygdala2021]

Wow. This is taking Gerrymandering to a whole new level.

[@aidans4464]

How is this gerrymandering? It wouldn't affect the make up of Congress.

[@ixlnxs]

@@aidans4464 Gerrymandering is changing the shape of one or more constituencies to change the make up of the electorate and thus the outcome of the election. It can happen on a municipal level (lumping all your opponents in a few wards, so that your party gets all the others), or on a state level (to ensure that your party wins most of the seats in the state house, for instance) and here they try it on a national level: Greater Idaho would have more seats, what's left of Oregon would have fewer, and while Oregon would remain liberal and Idaho conservative, there would be more conservatives and fewer liberals in the House of Representatives, thus also influencing the Electoral College.

[@slaqasdq8787]

2:53 is a really interesting part of this video. The interviewer asks a question, presenting two options that both accuse rural Oregonians of being extremists. It's a very clever way of injecting his opinion into an interview that should be unbiased-he's not giving an opinion piece, he's reporting the news. The response he gets is also clever, as the interviewee quickly shuts down that claim that there is anything extreme about the movement. These are people who are literally being ignored by their representatives. In another video on CBS, Mike McCarter discusses a conversation he had with a representative from urban Oregon who argued that the reason that he wouldn't listen to Mike was that his vote was not in "the majority".

[@shnordo]

"These Argonians would rather join the Empire than be in Black Marsh" - Alternate Title

[@jimparsons9454]

These folks are desperately clinging to the past.

[@4mazIngxXGamEr]

Them: we want less regulations… Me: okay, I’m cutting USDA subsidies and ending foreign goods tarriffs. Them: no no not like that.

[@bigchief70]

I see... Do you like living with conservatives?

[@jimparsons9454]

@@bigchief70 sane conservatives who can actually reasoned with, yes. Edit: as for "conservatives" who follow dear leader agent orange, I don't consider them human.

[@t.a.ackerman4098]

They have elected representatives same as the cities do. What a bunch of clowns.

[@LeeeroyJenkins]

Funny how they say the klan says the same thing in the south about black people and the NAACP. Are you part of the klan?

[@t.a.ackerman4098]

@@LeeeroyJenkins No but these people most likely are and you as well. They're teaching their children to hate America and other Americans. I'll bet the whole bunch of them think Trump won the election.

[@LeeeroyJenkins]

@@t.a.ackerman4098 Last time I checked, Portland’s BLM chapter said “America should be disbanded “. So who is the real American haters?

[@chaosXP3RT]

Yes, and they're elected representatives want to go to another state. I know land ownership is a foreign concept to urbanites, but they have the right to live on their land. If the Native Reservations of Arizona want to join Mexico, shouldn't they be allowed? If Alaska wants to join Russia or Canada, shouldn't it be allowed? Isn't that Democracy?

[@t.a.ackerman4098]

@@chaosXP3RT Does state lines mean a damn thing to you clowns? What the f**k do yo u mean "land ownership" is a foreign concept. Nobody outside the "no brain zone" owns a home? Move your ass to Hungrary!

[@Ahrecks0]

They probably would have had been taken seriously if they didn’t put all that ignorant garbage in their advertisements.

[@dariantompkins5203]

What was so ignorant about it?

[@nikolasmakarios8639]

This dude doesn’t realize that land mass doesn’t vote.. people do lmao

[@lameemo]

Unfortunately, not in the senate

[@laughingshaman1]

They want outsized representation compared to their numbers. In other words, white minority rule.

[@einfachnurleo7099]

Someone tell this farmer that he shouldn't smoke his crops if they aren't weed.

[@fritzdeuces]

🤣😂🤣🤣😂

[@compassionatecurmudgeon7025]

Who knew you could farm bleach!?!?

[@lil----lil]

@ 06:38 "Can we just exist as humans together?" The IRONY is so too much I'm dying inside.

[@gofish7388]

It's an arbitrary line. Why can't you just let them move that line? They don't want to be dictated by you.

[@blasphimus]

@@gofish7388 So we don't need boarders all of a sudden? Just move and stop whining.

[@khefrenka2348]

We get down to the crux of it after that "They don't value my opinion". The adult white male version of "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE".

[@gofish7388]

@@blasphimus Everything he owns is in Oregon he can't move.

[@gofish7388]

@@khefrenka2348 that's racist and sexist. Also, he has the right to have his voice heard.

[@smithhoowe]

For a young reporter, the tact and diplomacy he shows with how he carefully frames the conversation with these groups demonstrates experience well beyond his years. I hope to see more interviews from him.

[@dcrz]

He doesn’t look young in any form of the word. Did you watch in 144p?

[@perfectplayingplaids]

Oh 😱 These radical groups 😰 I’m scawed did you heaw that scawy music? 😭😭😭 help me I think this is violence he said he wants to use legislation to change state boundawies 😭

[@MAFion]

They didn't cite many tangible laws that affect them, it's more cultural stuff. Which isn't a part of politics really. People act like their candidate is somehow a culture setter when there is so much more out there that drives the times. Yes, the world is increasingly cosmopolitan, fast, and liquid.

[@TheRealWinser]

The legislature wants to phase out diesel by 2028 to replace it with more expensive types of renewable diesel. Not to mention these folks would gladly switch to other alternatives if they were cheaper and readily available which the State can enact laws to encourage investment into that. But they have chosen to punish a whole segment of the economy

[@aleksilepisto7282]

He mentioned two at the start. That's only two

[@DieNibelungenliad]

@@TheRealWinser Renewable diesel?

[@TheRealWinser]

@@DieNibelungenliad I guess that is like biodiesel or mixtures of diesel and other stuff.

[@DieNibelungenliad]

@@TheRealWinser is biofuel considered renewable? I have to doubt it

[@fatula5302]

Lol. Not to mention they're not even considering Indigenous voices/impact in their plan. Very "on brand."

[@EH-pm1ke]

LOL wow you are hopeless

[@freeloader69]

@@EH-pm1ke If owning your history and recognizing the legitimacy of the concerns of the people who were here first is “hopeless” then I guess I’m “hopeless” too.

[@proletariategg]

How conservative of them. Much conservation, very effort.

[@chaosXP3RT]

If the Native Reservations of Arizona want to join Mexico, shouldn't they be allowed? If Alaska wants to join Russia or Canada, shouldn't it be allowed? Isn't that Democracy? If Texas Democrats care about Democracy, why are they preventing it in Texas by refusing to return to session? If Texas Democrats can flee Texas, why can't part of Oregon flee to Idaho?

[@freeloader69]

@@chaosXP3RT Why is the sky blue? Why did the lords of Westerose elect Brandon Stark as the new protector of the realm? Why did Elvis die on a toilet? If the evil spirit arms the tiger with claws, what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

[@michaeljames2349]

He’s literally complaining that a majority of people are making the decisions.

[@jboogie45213]

Great summary 🤣

[@Killswitch1411]

You mean the Hive mind of Portland is making all the decisions and they can't even control their own city.

[@stonymontana9773]

@@Killswitch1411 city slicker thinking

[@buzzerking]

@@Killswitch1411 Or the rural hive mind complaining instead of just moving?

[@Killswitch1411]

@@stonymontana9773 it's one thing to live and let live, but they constantly make new policies that overreach that effect rural America. Live by different foundations and principles. Rural America doesn't care how one lives their life, as long it doesn't impede on their values and beliefs. They want to be LGBTQ+ that's their business. But forcing people to accept something does the opposite effect.

[@XBKLYN]

It's bullcrap that rural America is under represented. Idaho has a population of 2M people with 2 senators. New Jersey has 2 senators for 9.1M people. I call BS.

[@wwbuirkle]

Not federally but they are misrepresented by the state

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@wwbuirkle They are a small MINORITY in Oregon. That's how democracy works, the majority rules. That's how the founders wanted it, that's America. If you hate democracy and hate America go find a better country to live in

[@ihatetheantichrist9545]

you are so desperate to be a tyrant

[@kythrathesuntamer9715]

over represented is more like it. you're on the money.

[@MONSTERKILL2013]

@@PendeltonWhiskey the founders wanted an america where only white people voted

[@ME-rd4so]

The guy with the hat and black shirt referred to "libtards". Wonder who he voted for. Seems hard to tell.

[@crucifyrobinhood]

Try harder commie.

[@aron5411]

@@crucifyrobinhood if he is a commie, your putins lap dog

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

@@crucifyrobinhood abusive divisive language like that is unAmerican. Hard cope.

[@xSP3CTREx]

Well he is still breathing, so def not a Dem candidate

[@SupaFlossy95]

Definitely didn't vote for Coward joe Biden.

[@AssaultTheLake]

Ralph Wiggum: I'm Idaho! Principal Skinner: Yes, of course you are.

[@slimshadyjr9889]

Fun fact: the Springfield state the Simpsons live in is Oregon. That would make a lot of sense because the creator Matt Groening is from there

[@12321whatwhatwhat]

I enjoyed this interviewer, he lulls you with his easiness but he really gets into some interesting and what could be risky questions.

[@MagnumCarta]

Eh, some of his questions were good but some were not great. Like asking if these rural Oregonians should be considered 'extremist'. Keep in mind that generally speaking, extremism means to do an action(s) that causes catastrophic damage and/or loss of life to spread a message. I don't think considering moving state boundaries should be considered an 'extremist' viewpoint.

[@dipthongthathongthongthong9691]

@@MagnumCarta Moving the border is a pretense for all the “cultural” grievances that were exposed when he was talking to the elderly rancher. Political freedom is the claim. Preserving Christian white nationalism is the aim. The guy even referenced the schisms of the civil war. It’s a friendlier folksy form of latent ethno-nationalism. Scared to death that the old world is changing.

[@shabberto]

@@MagnumCarta I don't agree with that conveniently narrow definition of extremist. Oxford: "a person who holds extreme political or religious views, especially one who advocates illegal, violent, or other extreme action." Seems like a contextually flexible word and that grievance with this rather charitable journalist in my opinion may be bias driven.

[@MagnumCarta]

@@shabberto Based off of the Oxford definition which of those last criteria would you describe it as: illegal, violent, or extreme? Even to that end, what does 'extreme' mean in this context? Obviously an extremist deals with extreme action but to what criteria do we define 'extreme'? I am all for 'contextually flexible words' when they resonate with the audience. The journalist is a conduit of information between the viewer and the source (i.e. who they interview). What I am less for is when inflated terms are used to spin a message. Let me give you an example: Edward Snowden. He is essentially in trouble for releasing confidential information. Confidential because we don't want the laypeople to know all of their data (or at least the metadata) is being analyzed. Is Edward Snowden an extremist for his actions? Would his actions constitute the criteria for 'extreme action' or would we give him a different label? I hope you understand my perspective with that example for why I don't like the blatent labeling of 'extremist', even for something like this (migrating part of Oregon into Idaho) which I do not agree with. However that doesn't mean I agree with labeling these individuals 'extremists', even when I disagree with their viewpoints.

[@babayoga3672]

@@dipthongthathongthongthong9691 And I suppose an entire change of the countries foundation is necessary when the majority of America does not agree with the attempts at socialism spoken by people that have obviously never experienced socialism. That is too big a jump considering Americans believe it or not are still centric. And you can go to any country you choose and people of the majority culture will always dominate the minorities. This is human instinct and behavior and it's never going to change where there majorities and minorities but I will tell you, this nation is still far and away more equitable to minorities than any other country on earth. That's why we have border problem....if it's so terrible here I don't think people would come

[@paulborneo7535]

Could it be that people who spend their lives on ranches in the desert know little of what is going on in the rest of the world? These people seem ignorant and self-absorbed.

[@historybuff1017]

Well, they are conservatives. That’s kinda their entire schtick

[@danceinstructor6662]

Could it be that people who spend their lives in cities know little of what is going on in the rest of the world? These people seem ignorant and self-absorbed.

[@businesscb]

you are right. except they aren't shoving their values, laws, and so-called "mandates" on you. if you guys leave us alone, we have and will continue to leave you alone.

[@chromberries7329]

​@@businesscb explain a single value, law, or mandate shoved on them that is hurting them mentally or physically.

[@Justin-ns2ym]

"If you don't like it, tell the state to redraw its border so I can leave".

[@XxDinoDumperxX]

Lmfaoooo

[@monsterman4496]

"United we stand, divided we fall" America - "Help I've fallen and I can't get up!!!"

[@brianisme6498]

Ah I’ve Mcfallen and I can’t get up

[@sigmasix3719]

Absolute morons have a distinct affinity for Republicans

[@Shng275]

TBH, America's never been "united". We've always been divided, be it through race, class, gender, religion, political affiliation, etc. Any semblance of "unity" was always a fantasy. Name ONE period in this nation's 400 yrs of existence that we were United.

[@brianisme6498]

@@Shng275 the united refers to the states which are all apart of America. They are united that they are all apart of the same country. Hence United STATES of America. Not united peoples of America.

[@Shng275]

@@brianisme6498 I know. Clearly I was referring to the ppl.

[@stevejones5075]

The main guy they interviewed didnt actually seem that extreme, a little misguided but I can see why he's frustrated

[@smiley4995]

When people get abused for years they tend to come to extreme solutions, this goes for individuals along with communities or societies. The main issue is that they have forcefully extracted the resources from these people to benefit solely the cities, while ignoring the people themselves, so really leaving the state either through moving or moving the boarder is the only solution that they can see. It really is a lesson in fairly listening to both sides and while helping your base, not abusing the opposite side for the benefit of yours.

[@bandyj20]

I can see why he is frustrated. Economic policies tailored to Portland don't make sense for farms and ranches and make business more costly.

[@tomtomtom6970]

@@bandyj20 If thats the case then fair enough but doesnt Idaho also have citites

[@jeremiahblake3949]

@@tomtomtom6970 just Boise, which isn't anywhere as near as proportionally large as the Portland metro is to Oregon

[@tomtomtom6970]

@@jeremiahblake3949 oh ok

[@IsraelSilva-pp9sv]

Most people in rural areas are on health insurance, the poverty rate in rural Oregon is HIGHER than urban areas. Joining Idaho will not benefit these people

[@johnbattle7518]

Sure it would that's mostly farm land as is Idaho and they'd have more conservative representatives in congress

[@paulgleason7191]

In Vermont we had a town talk about this years ago. They voted to leave Vermont for NH because of taxes. Didn’t seem to last long.

[@LAX3R47]

New England sucks I feel bad for you

[@quanbrooklynkid7776]

damn

[@paulgleason7191]

@@LAX3R47 ups/downs like everywhere

[@rbourgoine1]

@@LAX3R47 Maine, NH and Vermont are amazing.

[@americafkyeah8695]

@@rbourgoine1 yep, you couldn't afford it.

[@Silver803]

"good america and bad america" - this thinking is how civil wars get started.

[@AcidDaBomb]

We heading that direction

[@fifteen_march]

@@AcidDaBomb excited for that day

[@waynr]

This is a great idea! Imagine if we just put all the bumkin-filled rural counties into one massive country-spanning state. Then only give them two senators..

[@Gurziak]

Sounds awfully classist of you.

[@megamegamega]

@@Gurziak as someone who was born in the rural mountains, i can attest that bumpkin is not a classist or economic term. bumpkin is a state of mind.

[@dawsonstokes7400]

Amazing how those "bumkin-filled rural counties" have incredibly high poverty rates and consistently low oppurtunity for education.

[@kyledorrell2013]

And they can't leave their own state 🤣

[@pale_saint]

@@Gurziak the Commies like wayne are the worst classists

[@twt_figgy]

These are the same people that would say if you do t love America to get the hell out. The same people that have no problems when the other side’s freedom is Infringed with anti abortion, immigration, etc laws.

[@TheAleksander22]

We'll trade you for DC and Puerto Rico statehood.

[@NotShowingOff]

These ppl are either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid. They have a good chance of just splitting into Oregon 2 rather than absorbing into Idaho. So if I was them, I’d do that. It I figure there is enough movement for making DC a state that it would be another holy war to bring it up.

[@psulionz87]

throw in Guam and few others

[@GameByGame]

And Upstate NY statehood

[@chaosXP3RT]

If the Native Reservations of Arizona want to join Mexico, shouldn't they be allowed? If Alaska wants to join Russia or Canada, shouldn't it be allowed? Isn't that Democracy?

[@NotShowingOff]

@@chaosXP3RT For some reason nobody else wants to join a poorer major country. Texans don’t want their currency to be pesos, for instance.

[@AlexCab_49]

Conservatives: liberals want safe spaces Also conservatives: we want to form our safe space from liberals

[@rubensstudio5662]

liberals no good

[@logicVSpassion]

damn straight, liberals have no right to govern people that live hundreds of miles away... It's time to break up the states or make the cities their own states. That could work.

[@nsahandler]

@@logicVSpassion Aight so farmers can build their own tractors and automated systems now? FOH

[@dipthongthathongthongthong9691]

We want political representation is code for “Idaho looks more amenable to our preference for a rural white ethnostate.” Conservatives love gerrymandering districts. Moving state borders to suit their ideology ain’t that crazy. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hosank]

errrrr have you seen the rest of Oregon? it’s not exactly a multiracial paradise to begin with

[@knkonwd3374]

Simply moving to Idaho wasn't an option?