Videoing In National Parks - An Update

The purpose of this video is to warn anyone who posts their videos to social media that right now we're getting conflicting information from National Park Service law enforcement concerning whether or not we need to have a permit for taking videos in areas controlled by the NPS. This is the information that I've been able to gather most recently.
It's time to start planning your summer vacation and if you plan on going to one of our nation's beautiful National Parks or Monuments, you better beware of this potential pitfall. Most of us today enjoying sharing our travels on social media, of one form or another, and this is where the potential problem lies. Watch this video to see what you need to do to be legal while videoing in National Parks, Monuments and other NPS areas.
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[@BulletSpoung]

Sounds like they forgot that the parks belong to us, not them.

[@nerolsalguod4649]

No , actually they don't. The Fed signed them over to the UN to manage and control and the UN dictates all rules governing them.

[@tomwhite716]

Don’t reveal where you are…….

[@patrickday4206]

They are literally held in trust for us

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Sorry mate but that is simply wrong. They belong to the local government, Native American, US, Canadian, European etc. Not to the citizens. Not even in Switzerland.

[@hughacosta1090]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 National Park Service chapter 7, paragraph 7.5.2, National parks belong to all of the nation’s people and should have opportunities to enjoy them.

[@ernieterrell2104]

The government is out of control

[@Gregknows-uj8gg]

Yes! The Government is out of control. It got way too big and wasted Trillions of the tax payers dollars. If you only knew how much of your dollar goes too taxes. Income tax, road tax, import tax, export tax, sales tax, a fee for this and a fee for that. Completely out of control. And they want more and more and more.

[@Wootangtw]

Exactly…

[@jaggjagg5928]

Agreed.

[@charlottewilson4279]

👵It reminds me of a song that was and prob. is still popular that rings in my head, "i'll watch every move you make, every breath you take". . . I take it to the next level however because i m a reborn Christian and Jesus Christ knows every thought I think and you think . . . Satan is stirring up the ocean which translated means every people and nation. . . More epic stuff on the verge of happening. My advice is to get down 2 brass tacks . . The last chapter of the last book of the Bible is here. . . there's no ignoring Bible prophecy and it's decision time. . . God Bless. . .🤗💝🙏

[@Gregknows-uj8gg]

@@charlottewilson4279 You may think what you want and believe what you want so far but it may get you crucified and killed. There is a GOD and Jesus Christ was very special. This Civilization will destroy itself at some point in the future and another one will take it's place. And they too will tell stories and they too shall rise too a high level Technology and they too will destroy themselves and it will go on this way until life is no more.

[@explorer867]

This is a ridiculous law. As is the case more and more in our country, we're losing our freedoms.

[@DrJohn493]

What freedom, the freedom to be a freeloader using public land to make money and not paying the civic rent when it's due?

[@BenDover-kt2pe]

@@DrJohn493 Can you read the Constitution in original text? Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. "Shall not be infringed"

[@janesmith6513]

@@BenDover-kt2pe that phrase is not in the Constitution. It is in the Declaration of Independence.

[@BenDover-kt2pe]

@@janesmith6513 Don't be so pedantic. Look at the whole statement!

[@enmodo]

It should definitely be revisited. Requiring permits for commercial activities that would disrupt the park for others and / or extract significant income from it is fair. But fining some KZbinr who makes a short video with no impact to anyone or anything and makes a few hundred bucks or even a few thousand - it's just not in the spirit of what the parks were intended for. If anything such videos do way more promote the parks system and more visitors and revenue to the parks than anything negative. But these laws against unpermitted commercial activities have been there for ages - maybe it is time for KZbinrs to petition to get them changed or relaxed? Regardless of what fines do exist, at the very least they should offer a no-foul warning procedure for misdemeanors because just like all those multi-page long "customer service agreements" we all click-through on the web, no one reads up on all the National Park laws before busting out their phone to make a video there. Or at least let you pay on the spot or retroactively with no-foul. The current procedures just seem to create negative sentiment against parks and rangers and do a disservice to the National Park system. For whatever reason National Park rangers seem to have a lowest tolerance for anything, there's no excuses. Perhaps it's because of the shenanigans and stupidity they have to deal with on a daily basis. Or maybe the job attracts folks with an extremely tight sphincter. Or maybe they are reward for number of tickets issued and that's how you become head ranger at the end of your career?

[@arlo4051]

How can they claim a ''view' is government property. It takes away nothing, it harms nothing, it leaves nothing.

[@b2major9th]

Government property = public property. As far as I know filming public property while on public property is protected by the 1st amendment to the constitution. This overreach by the government needs to be taken down by massive noncompliance.

[@JasonKjellberg]

I just checked out the NPS gov website, you do need a permit for any commercial video but on the Q&A What fees will I pay section it states 1-2 people, camera & tripod only - $0/day. Pack light and the permit is free.

[@Lynn-kh5rs]

Maybe I'm paranoid but I would take a screen shot of that info w/date-time stamp and then if you do video an area take pictures of your set up also w/a date-time stamp. This way if you get a call from the gov. you have some video proof of what & how you filmed.

[@suesokoloski6644]

I agree that the government is out of control and grubby money grubbing fingers. That’s a shame.

[@DrJohn493]

The money grubbers are the social influencers that want to use public lands to make money and not pay the civic rent. Loggers can't go into the national forests, cut the trees down for a profit, and not pay the public (think taxpayers) for the privilege to make their money. Or, think of it as money that will be used to keep the national parks and public lands open to everyone.

[@joergmeyer4145]

No, it is NOT the government! We need to be precise here, please. It is the National Park Service. Someone thought it is ok to come up with this rule without knowing anything about the First Amendment. Anybody can take photos, or videos, or any recording in public spaces freely without needing a permission.

[@tman8939]

@@joergmeyer4145the national park service is our federal government.

[@joergmeyer4145]

@@tman8939 Please be precise. The NPS is governed by the Department of the interior, which is a department of the Federal Government. The NPS is just one part of this Department of the Interior. The NPS is NOT the Government. Your household is not governed by the NPS. Your financials are not governed by the NPS, your job, your housing, your taxes, your community, etc is NOT governed by the NPS. What is governed by the NPS are the 50+ National Parks. Every one of them is public, like every post office is public, like every town hall is public, like every public place in the US is public. In all of these public places every one of us has the right to perform recordings of any kind. We even can and are allowed to record public officials, like rangers, like police officers, like representatives in public offices. This all is covered and protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the US.

[@randallsmerna384]

​@@tman8939Jorge is right but who's got the deep pockets and the cojones to go up against the Feds?

[@craftytraveler9238]

Thanks for the video. The ruling isn't going to change until there is another court case to change it.

[@PISQUEFrancis]

One can talk to the south end of an ass, going north, for as long as one's willing to step in shiet, and get nowhere, but the need to be cleansed ... IT'S truly, a sad state of affairs when the court needs to be involved, at great expense, to explain to a truly ignorant public employee(who usually thinks he/she, is really is really truly smart), with some degree of power to make completely contrary decisions that affect people's rights. The person that made this decision is nothing more that an educated, power monger, simpleton.

[@badgerpa9]

Need to get someone like David Paulides appointed in the National Parks commission he has been fighting this for 3 decades.

[@jimpeel]

If you are given verbal permission always get the person's name and station. An affirmative defense is called "Entrapment by estoppel." From the DoJ Archives: "The last of the possible government authority defenses is "entrapment by estoppel," which is somewhat similar to public authority. In the defense of public authority, it is the defendant whose mistake leads to the commission of the crime; with "entrapment by estoppel," a government official commits an error and, in reliance thereon, the defendant thereby violates the law."

[@randallsmerna384]

Yeah but you can't use that defense if you knowingly violate the law because you happen to get verbal permission.

[@jimpeel]

You need to re-watch the video.

[@kirkyorg7654]

a "verbal contract" is only as good as the "paper its written on" lol

[@jimpeel]

@@kirkyorg7654 Then why does the rule exist in federal and state law as an affirmative defense to criminal charges?

[@rendezvous5784]

"We the People" who want to preserve our freedoms, vote accordingly...

[@ChucklesMcGurk]

like who?

[@jasons_tx_adventures]

It's a darn shame! Hope the law changes soon! These land are supposed to be preserved for our enjoyment and we can't even post a video of them...not right at all. Thanks for the video and update! Much appreciated!

[@TheMadriverboy]

So much for it being the peoples land.

[@joergmeyer4145]

This is NOT a law! It is a rule which someone came up with without consulting the National Park Service Legal Department.

[@dianehickman5960]

Elections have consequences Bring back fair elections at polling sites only w/ proof of citizenship

[@randallsmerna384]

​@@joergmeyer4145 Is it policy or is it law?

[@dustinjohnson1410]

I follow your channel because of all the cool and hidden gems you explore outside the NPS. We all know how beautiful Yellowstone, Glacier, Zion, and the Grand Canyon are. You and Linda show us the fun we can have in the ghost towns, state parks, and forests. Also lets not forget where to find the best pie in every small town inthe western US. (It would be a great service to all of us weary travelers if you would keep a pie map for your loyal fans)

[@gonagain]

Hmmm...pie...

[@Steven-cr8ju]

​@@gonagainIt seems Public Law 106-206, as amended in 2007 and 2013 in the Federal Register at 78 FR 52087, has gone astray of its intent. I would like to call "my guy" in DC and I would need a bit more detail. Such as just you or others, how much gear or just camera only, were you in open areas or restricted, etc. Remember, NPS issues permits based on "commercial" environmental impact (rolling my eyes here), and intended use, not the content being recorded. If filming for KZbin, NPS would not know that unless told. And most folks filming casually may not know they would upload in the future.

[@arnoldgrubbs2005]

Guess a lot of us will be avoiding the parks and just going where you don't have to worry about someone looking over your shoulder. Wouldn't want to get accused to taking a picture and have it show up on FB and get stuck in a legal SNAFU.. best to just go around the place and forget it.

[@JeffandLeslie]

that would suit the NPS just fine. If they had their way, I believe they would be happy if all the parks were closed to peasants. It is the King's land as they see it.

[@joergmeyer4145]

Why are you backing down?

[@larion2336]

@@JeffandLeslie yeah, and who funds their salaries?

[@user-fu9vj9ix3g]

You might do that, but they'll catch on and limit those lands, too. Many areas are already closed from COVID and have never re-opened. Rabid enviro commies don't want any human footprint in wild places. Big Left never wastes an opportunity to increase control.

[@tc2882]

People refuse to respect the rights of other people to enjoy these places, then complain when the authorities are forced to put measures in place to curtail bad behavior.

[@martykong3592]

Thanks for the PSA! A lot of us would not think of a permit needed :( Just good to know! ALL the BEST and Cheers! :) Safe travels too!

[@gonagain]

You bet!

[@MOTrav]

Keep pushing for a more sane user friendly filming rule in National Parks! In the meantime I like the out of the way places and small towns you highlight. Keep giving those special places your good coverage! 😎

[@stevertherver3887]

I understand completely. But... We love your channel for the simplicity of your travels and the "off the beaten path" content. Thanks for the great video's!!

[@Maybe-So]

Gobberment: You can do anything if you first give us money. Taxes? No, we want more.

[@freeandhappy8562]

Taking some photos or video on a family outing or for a small youtube channel seems like such an innocous thing. Such a shame that it's illegal. Definite government overreach in my opinion. In any case; Thanks for the head's up and be safe.

[@TheBaldr]

Why do you not need a permit and make money but a small film crew that may not make their money back on a shoot and still get a permit?

[@oneadVANtureatatime]

Thanks for posting this video. It seems this is in the foreground again! It needs to be! Dave and I were just talking the other day that it didn’t matter if you got verbal permission…. You better get it in writing!

[@gonagain]

I figured I better post this because even the NPS Chief Rangers are confused!

[@karenexner7284]

It's just down right sad how Money Hungry our country has become. We went to Estes Park, CO for over 20yrs and really enjoyed it. But now that you are required to have "reservations" to get in........that has taken the "fun and adventure" out of the place. We now travel in our Travel trailer and go to the "forgotten" places that you and Linda visit. .........Safe Travels, where ever they shall lead you.

[@DrJohn493]

The money hungry country got that way because the congressional politicians won't adequately fund our national parks and public lands. Hell, some of those politicians want to turn the public parks and lands over to private developers to create more of an amusement park experience.

[@funone8716]

Don't travel or leave your home. Sit at your computer and work from home 7 days a week and pay your taxes and keep your mouth shut. You will own nothing, and you will be happy. That is the goal they are working toward.

[@GeneLeeRollins]

Yankee in the South and Park Junkie were two GREAT channels that i used to watch. Park Junkie had great NP news and updates and showcased great hikes in places that I have been and places I want to visit. Yankee in the South exposed me to great places in the GSMNP, a place that is now more accessible to me from living just a couple of hours away. Freedom of speech is plainly the issue... the govt is now treating us as if we are corporate entiities instead of individual CITIZENS with rights.

[@DrJohn493]

Wide of the mark LB. If you're gonna make money off public lands, pay the civic rent so you and future generations can enjoy the open spaces.

[@falcorthewonderdog2758]

They only do this because no one has challenged them. The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Photography in any form is protected by the first amendment. Your permit is the US Constitution Bill of Rights.

[@PilotMcbride]

A bit bloody stupid of them. I’d write a letter (nicely worded) to the Chief Ranger of the 7 divisions, explaining what you do, and ask politely for clarification of their districts. Verbal permission for such things is never good enough, but a written response can be used as permission (hopefully) if things get rough. To push boundaries a bit, video parts of the national park from just outside the boundary with gps coordinates. These people are using the old “one shoe fits all” approach which, imo, is disgraceful behaviour. Also, take it up with your local Congressperson as a matter urgency, explaining the lack of clarity between the different areas and don’t let it rest, keep at them, be a PITA - Pain In Their A**, because legal clarity is very important. Thanks for posting Rick, all the best to you and the Boss. Stay safe.

[@gonagain]

Nice to hear from you! Hope all is well with you and the fam.

[@gonagain]

Thanks, Pilot. i hope you're doing well Down Under!

[@PilotMcbride]

Bloody hot ol’ mate. We’ve had a long, hot run of hi 90s, 100 yesterday and looking at 110 today & tomorrow 😂😂

[@DrJohn493]

....always somebody trying to cheat the system.

[@ohsweetmystery]

The Forest Service is anti-citizen. Where I live they are purposefully allowing fire roads, camp sites, and trails to fall into dire states of disrepair and/or trying to disallow access to private citizens completely.

[@josephjalbert3642]

God Bless ! The bureaucracy in action. Continue to limit our communication and togetherness.

[@johnedwardculp6621]

That is a Free Speech Tax. The utility is not being burdened by the free speech. Certainly it's not about the communication on media or even profit. It's about room for others to access the same park. Inalienable Rights are on the table for this discussion ❤.

[@Lynn7015hb]

Great video, ty. In your ex using facebook, it should be illegal for them to place ads on ppl's posts of nat'l parks.

[@RFBennett]

Like many "Laws" in this country, it seems to be "at the discretion of the encountering officer", until it's conveniently not.

[@bigjimslade6250]

Thanks for the update. If the NPS regulations on video production in parks & advertising revenue causing causing a violation were taken to their logical conclusion, then a TV news crew go out & film a news story that ends up on the evening news & the station runs a commercial during the news cast, then the TV crew is in violation. Such a result clearly violates the 1st Amendment.

[@todddunn945]

No, the regulations specifically allow journalists to shoot video on federal lands, but it is limited to journalist employed by news organizations (TV stations, etc.).

[@bigjimslade6250]

@@todddunn945 So freelance journalists & storm chasers would be required to have a permit. The regulation is inherently flawed

[@joergmeyer4145]

You are CORRECT!!!

[@OregonMike]

That's wrong... so they determine who is a journalist and who isn't. Just imagine if they get mad at CBS but are happy with ABC. This just needs The Institute for Justice to take someones case. Not to mention that we have a whole lot of people and even more cameras... 😂

[@josephtitus5459]

@@OregonMike Yeah I’m willing to bet the parks would be forced to change the law because it isn’t constitutional if this were taken to a federal court. People should be allowed to film on public land. The government should not be able to decide who is and is not a journalist. This needs to be a project for 1st amendment auditors and organizations such as the ACLU and IJ.

[@CollinsL]

Thank you for the information, that is so sad that they have done that!

[@vivianallen9772]

I understand why a big production company should get a permit, but not an Individual with their little camera. I would love to watch videos from KZbinrs in the National Parks. You guys are how I see the country, and enjoy camping! We love your channel, Rick and Linda!

[@gonagain]

Thank you very much!

[@michaelwoods6660]

I feel the reason they do this is maybe because sooo many people do not respect the parks, the animals, or the laws, more visitors means more maintenance and a lot of parks are hurting for funding. I may be real off-base here, but there are just a lot of people that don’t care and of course the rules are for the lowest common denominator and those of us who do behave in the parks suffer because of those who don’t.

[@ex-engineer6657]

Thanks for the update.

[@Anita_T-Rex]

We can see that the once-reasonable law was intended to collect income from commercial film companies to offset disruption and costs to the national parks. Some government bean counters saw an opportunity to collect big fees from individuals posting videos on social media. Another income stream! Writers of legislation rewrote or reinterpreted the language of regulations with the intention to gouge "video permit fee" money from individual park and other federal land users. It was enacted with the cooperation of your elected legislators. It's all about the money and no one is advocating for us, we're just potential income sources.

[@jenniferlittle9038]

I really appreciate what you said about the difficulties of timing/scheduling your national park filming permit during a long road trip that usually leads to unexpected delays, often due to weather. I could never be sure of making it to the park at the exact time I booked a filming permit, so I would not do it for that reason alone. I think you also have to book the filming permits far in advance, and you could not know if the weather at the time would actually give you the filming conditions or even safe road access you need. Many of the parks have high risk of dangerous flash floods or severe winter storm conditions much of the year.

[@texling93]

Well looks likeI won't be going to the parks. Thanks for the information. My passports on order. Safe travels

[@alvisjenkins1305]

Why will you not be going to national parks ? When Rick started reading the letter, it read, "commercial photography " and therefore you can relax and make all the photos you wish to make.

[@DrJohn493]

Bon Voyage!

[@JohnSmith-km7li]

National parks have become city parks due to the huge number of visitors.

[@JohnSmith-km7li]

⁠Did you not hear what he said after that? Anyone who posts on social media that has advertising appear, .ie. Facebook, is liable for fines. He said just don't film in the parks.

[@kevinamsteam7816]

So let me get this straight. We pay taxes so that we can buy the land for the parks, we pay to maintain the parks, we pay the wages of everyone that maintains and takes care of the parks, and we cannot take photos of each other in those parks? I thought I was in AMerica!

[@alvisjenkins1305]

Hearsay is not the law. Read the actual law on photographing in the national parks and see that you are free to make photos.

[@AcmeRacing]

I heard about this from watching Long Long Honeymoon. Sean and Kristy are two of the biggest advocates for responsible use of the National Parks system, and now they can no longer share park footage.

[@gordonvanlieshout8134]

Sad that govt wants a piece of everything! 😢

[@stalbaum]

We should end the policy of fees, admissions, tickets and permits which are designed to pay for America's greatest idea, in place of taxes. Everytime you hang your "Adventue Pass" in the window, remember as a common American it is so some rich people and companies don't have to pay their fair share. Why not taxes for public goods instead of corporate welfare for share holders who are not even all Americans?

[@Weathernerd27]

I study science as a hobby, take a week long backpack trip every summer and want to protect nature. It says alot when someone like me voted against the most recent expansion of Olympic National Park and would vote against the creation of future National Parks. My issues with the park service are as follows 1) They make it too hard to access the park, most of my hikes are in National Forest land because there is so much less red tape. I was extremely disappointed when the Parks were closed for months at a time during COVID when it was obvious to anyone who understood alittle bit of science that spending time outside was good. I get that certain parts of the park were overcrowded but shutting down the entire park was not the answer maybe close the most popular buildings and limit parking in the busiest areas but don't stop people from enjoying nature. I get that the park service doesn't always have the staff to rescue stupid tourists that got in over their head, but let me enter the park at my own risk, I enter the National Forest at my own risk all the time. No one wants a tradjety in the park but unfortunately I think a Darwin award or two is the only way some of these tourists will learn to act responsibly. 2) The park service is becoming just as money grubbing as every other part of the government as park entry fees skyrocket we get less and less services and now their are all these additional fees on top of the entry fee. Costs have risen to the point where poor people can no longer afford to visit the park and I don't want the Park Service to get any of my tax dollars if only wealthier people can use the parks. 3) Some of the park's rules have gotten ridicoulous. For example I was recently questioned for having the wrong bear canister, the ranger wanted me to buy a heavier more expensive canister. I'm all about keeping food out of reach of bears but I;ve been using this bear canister for 20 years without a problem, my pack is heavy enough and in this era of inflation I don't need to be spending money on things I already have. Mt Rainier has also implemented a you can only camp in designated sites. A big part of the fun of a backpacking trip is to not have to stick to schedule to pitch you're tent wherever you feel like it. I get that camping in meadows and right next to creeks is bad and the Park Service should hire a few more rangers so they can ticket the people camping in meadows but don't tell us rule abiding backpackers that he we have to camp exactly where you say and pay a big fee. I get that the Park Service doesn't want a full length movie filmed in the park without their permission but a short family video posted on facebook so a few friends can see it is not the same thing common how stupid are these park officials. .The park is always preaching don't take rocks, pine cones but now we can't take pictures are you ($&(#*$# kidding me? I'm not against big government but I'm against corrupt incompetent government and the Park Service needs to clean up their act if they want any support from me in the future.

[@quixoticPrancer]

Seems like a classic case of the spirit of the law vs the letter of it. The ranger is speaking to the spirit/intention of the law, but the enforcement arm is going by the letter.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

Good video Rick, thanks for the information. I like the coat you're wearing too. JT

[@gonagain]

Thanks 👍

[@redmoss24]

Thank you for posting this!!!

[@Go4Corvette]

Get that in writing and signed by the chief. 🤣

[@AnasAdventures111]

Bummer! I was looking forward to hearing the good news.

[@gonagain]

When I told you about it I thought I had great news, but then found out that getting verbal permission didn't cut it. Good luck in your new place and job!

[@lignow9762]

“The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.” Tacitus

[@VTPSTTU]

I suspect that there's a bureaucrat somewhere who is able to send out fines even though people haven't violated the law. Until someone makes a big enough complaint, that bureaucrat will get away with sending out the fines. I also suspect that this bureaucrat is applying the law inconsistently and prejudicially. If the right person were to learn of this situation, maybe that bureaucrat will be fired and sued. That's what needs to happen. The other needed reform is for people who report national park videos to be sued for harassment. We have to get back to a time when "karens" have to pay a high price for being "karens." When that day comes, our society will start to get better.

[@jimnelson7740]

Show me the last time a government employee was fired....maybe 1/10th of 1 percent. Just doesn't happen.

[@dwnsth3529]

As others have alluded to, the park service is no longer about oublic acces. Much of the overcrowding is allowed on purpose to focus on the 'overwhelming' impact of visitation. My home park is GSMNP - they always tout as the most visited park i the nation. Ive seen bear jams that the rangers could clear but refuse. Also, there are huge easily accesses areas of the park that no one visits. They only ever show the crowds and traffic jams. The new parking system is designed to frustrate people so the park can claim too many people again. It saddens me to see what has happened to what was once a great system now full of bureaucrats.

[@gonagain]

Thanks for sharing your observations. We've come across problems with long term campers in our National Forests, but are told that they don't have the manpower to do anything about it. Instead they just close down more access.

[@becausehelivesministryintl6841]

I thought the land of our Nation belongs to ALL of U.S. Citizens that is. I would think the Government would have better things to do with their time?? Unreal

[@abeautifullife5303]

"My country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty." Doesn't sound like we live in a constitutional country anymore, does it?

[@skippylippy547]

Next thing we'll hear is FBI SWAT raids on people at 3AM for taking a photo in a park.

[@abeautifullife5303]

@skippylippy547 Yeah... Hello...I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.

[@skippylippy547]

@@abeautifullife5303 exactly.

[@DrJohn493]

The land of liberty doen't mean a person doesn't have to pay for using public property to make money. Cattle grazers on public land have to pay their civic rent, why shouldn't a KZbinr monetizing his or her channel that's essentially doing the same thing not pay up?

[@abeautifullife5303]

@DrJohn493 I guess what the country needs now more than ever is unity, AND the right to agree to disagree.

[@jasonmcintosh2632]

For everyone who says “there aught to be a law”, you got your wish. The bigger the government gets, the more pressure and power it has to get bigger. Nothing will limit this other than the voters.

[@CowboyBikerAdventures]

Rick, thank you for the update. Don

[@gonagain]

Safe travels to you, Don.

[@CowboyBikerAdventures]

@gonagain Hi Rick and Linda. Thank you and safe travels to you also.

[@_LikeATumbleweed]

I think a written permission in email form would also suffice. Apply under FIrst Amendment use (see the application itself) to avoid having to submit the permit fee. They likely will reply in email that you don't need a permit. Then you have proof you were given permission. I'm going to try doing this,

[@gonagain]

I just heard about this recently as well. Thanks fo the tip.

[@sarah_n_tank_girl]

Can you list it as non-monetized? And is this lands managed by NPS or any land managed by Dept. of Interior? I had not heard of it covering National Wildlife Refuges operated by USFWS...very troublesome 😢

[@EfficientRVer]

Monetized or not monetized yourself, the platform you post it on is still making money, and you are at risk.

[@Tatiacha]

that needs to be litigated@@EfficientRVer

[@nufosmatic]

6:29 - So, most of Washington, DC, is covered by the National Park Service - can nobody film their family on The Mall any more?

[@Thomas-fr8nx]

Call your Congressional representatives and request they do something besides spend more money we don't have. Your permit number is your SSN.

[@martinphilip8998]

They don’t need to promote these parks. However, not all of us can visit for various reasons. Got to be in the club now.

[@nancysmith2295]

These videos are terrific for housebound people. Or bedridden in a rest home. Elderly who can't travel. Sad that the USA doesn't want the beautiful parks shared by unpaid volunteers! 😢

[@arthurbach9016]

Tyranny comes in all Forms

[@chadroberts44]

Seems like they would make more money off of park entrance fees from multiple people excited to come because of a KZbin video they saw than they would from a filming permit from a few people.

[@davidmcpherson7451]

When in NP, everyone should film everything all the time. Everyone. All the time. Millions do this they might get the message.

[@timothylinn]

While it may not be intuitive to treat KZbinrs like commercial operators, I'm all for it. The parks are being overwhelmed by visitors. Thanks to social media, visitors now have to reserve a time slot just to enter some parks. The Park Service doesn't need more views and more visitors. They need fewer views and fewer visitors. If this permit requirement helps reduce visitation, I'm all for it. Maybe consider just visiting the parks for your own personal enjoyment.

[@Thesaltymedic36]

This land ain’t my land. This land ain’t your land. Not the NY islands or the red wood forest 😢 Glad I pay taxes and as a Vet, defended the constitution that apparently doesn’t apply anymore.

[@DustyReinsStories]

Thank you for sharing this issue with your viewers. I have had some experiences in this area for more than four decades in various national and several state parks in several states, Most of those issues have been related to commercial productions such as movies and commercials or as a local television news team covering a newsworthy incident in a park. In most of those cases, it makes sense to me for the overseeing agency to charge a fee or even fines for impacts on human or natural resources that also had an impact on our tax dollars that support those parks. Now we are in a situation where we as individuals are inhibited from exercising free speech to share our sights and experiences in those places along with education about respecting them and leaving them as you found them. I have avoided visiting any state and national parks for four years now due to this issue. Thank you for helping me to consider to more outspoken on my own channel.

[@milesbliss3256]

Thanks!

[@gonagain]

Thank you, Miles!

[@k9blood01]

Great info! thanks.

[@olliechristopher467]

I'm so happy I did all my filming and memories before the crowds and these regulations became out of control.

[@rickgotner7596]

They don't want the public to see the traffic jams and the grotesquely high entry fees. I visited Yellowstone last year, and it was a nightmare.

[@gonagain]

That's a fact! We tried to get into Zion a couple of years ago and the line of traffic was over a mile long. We turned around and left.

[@helenferris575]

Greetings. This is outrageous. And what kind of self-righteous creep ratted out that guy. ... Keep well.

[@drylinedrifter]

Interesting. Good to know...thanks.

[@kennethalmond8922]

Good one!

[@ThePhotofred]

A couple of years ago, the USFS and NPS rule on filming was shot down in the courts as unconstitutional. I had a copy of the ruling but can't seem to find it right now. You should be able to find it by doing a search of case law.

[@gonagain]

The USFS appealed, won and reinstated the original ruling while further restricting individuals with small cameras.

[@ebenezerwheezer2957]

Correction you can shoot video in National Parks you just cannot upload it or post it to a social media platform that monetizes it. If you wish to send it to a family member or a friend you can email it to them no problem.

[@markreynolds3850]

Thanks for sharing this video, interesting stuff.😊

[@geecee58]

I have to agree with previous responses to your video, that what you Linda show us is just as beautiful and perhaps more approachable than some of the places in the National Park. I've been to several myself, but have always enjoyed the views and places on the outside of the parks better. One question I have though, "Does this ban also include pictures a person takes with a still camera?" If it doesn't, would it be possible to visit a National Park, take still pictures and post those on a KZbin channel? I know it's not quite the same as hearing the rush of a fast moving river, or thunderous roar of a giant water fall, but pictures can paint a thousand words and stir the imagination to almost hear what you're looking at....

[@gonagain]

A permit is required for stills.

[@geecee58]

I guess they get you coming and going. What a shame.... Thanks for your reply.@@gonagain

[@james1965]

@@gonagain I'm not saying that you couldn't get fined for stills but it seems to be allowed Excerpt from the npc.gov faq on filming and still photography. In most cases, still photography does not require a permit. A permit is required for still photography only when: 1)the activity takes place in an area closed to the public; or 2)the activity uses a model, set, or prop; or 3)the National Park Service would incur additional administrative costs to monitor the activity. A “model” means a person or object that serves as the subject for still photography for the purpose of promoting the sale or use of a product or service. Models include, but are not limited to, individuals, animals, or inanimate objects, such as vehicles, boats, articles of clothing, and food and beverage products. Portrait subjects, such as wedding parties and high school graduates, are not considered models, if the image will not be used to promote or sell a product or service

[@tm8747]

GREAT VIDEO INFORMATION RICK!! SAY HI TO LINDA

[@chuckaltvater4506]

Someone who receives a fine for this needs to challenge it in court. Don't acquiesce and don't pay the fine without a fight. Surely, there's an attorney out there who would love to take on the NPS.

[@josephtitus5459]

Yes. If anyone receives a fine they should contact the ACLU or IJ. I don’t see this law surviving in a court.

[@pburgess888]

Thank you very much for the heads-up. I wonder if you could still take snap shots and add them in a video? It wouldn't actually be videotaping. Like you could make a video saying, we went here for the weekend and here are some snap shots and talk about what you saw & your experience in the park.

[@gonagain]

I was going to use that technique in my last video, but I see that you even need a permit for still photography.

[@WisconsinWanderer]

i’m so angry i can’t comment appropriately 🤬

[@pchts1]

Do you see something in the future that snapshot pictures will be affected also, if posted on KZbin Facebook or Instagram or any other place like that just curious

[@gonagain]

Still photography also needs a permit in National Parks. "In addition, Federal law also requires the National Park Service to collect a location fee that provides a fair return to the United States for the use of park lands for commercial filming and for still photography requires a permit. The National Park Service uses the following fee schedules for filming and photography: Still Photography 1-10 people - $50/day 11-30 people - $150/day"

[@bryantaylor4956]

That part about " if you go where the public goes" brings up some interesting questios.

[@Me4Evidence]

The government has no idea what they are doing. I've gone to so many places and spent money on so many visits only because I was prepared and I watched KZbin channels to prepare me for hikes or camping trips etc

[@wandacraig8286]

I've had four other channels report on this in the last year and it's my understanding that the fees on getting a permit to film can be in the hundreds to thousands. So yeah, I wouldn't do it either. But isn't it a shame that a family standing by the Grand Canyon can't take a picture and post it for friends and family without risking being fined!?! Really sad. And it's nuts that no one in these government agencies are on the same page!

[@Tatiacha]

you do get that taking a photo and filming are two different things? no one in the gov cares about the stills unless you are going out and doing a commercial model shoot. In fact if you are not sharing phone video or whatever publically you can tak e all the video you want, you are not "commercial"

[@cargotrailerkenny]

Thanks for the info.i iwas aware of the regulations im National Parks but I thought monuments, refuges, etc. were allowed.

[@seanwilson6521]

I've hiked the Appalachian Trail and have watched many hiker's KZbin channels about their hikes, some of which are monetized and I've never heard anyone talk about permits for their posts when hiking through National Parks which the AT passes through several. What's up with that, do you think?

[@NelloCambelli]

Article V Convention of States to reign Rules & Regulatory Overreach + Fiscal Responsibility + Term Limits.

[@allegrosotto2126]

A Tasmanian photographer had the same issue Parks and was very vocal about it. Now he refuses to enter any National Park. Ive been fulltime on the road for six years with my cat and dog. Thought i knew the law and never entered parks where pets were forbidden but yesterday police moved me on from State forest land cos they saw my cat, on a lead with me holding it, next to my van. New legislation brought in, police taken over from forest department and cats are now not allowed. Hits me hard especially during summer when i need shade. Another aspect, a reliable source in America speaks of hidden military units in many of your parks, ready to act in the event of an uprising. Thats why filming isnt wanted! Its a global, especially in Western countries, restricting of free movement. Freedom is an illusion, the Corporation rules.

[@vencenzodemarco4393]

Well Cripes, this doesn't sound good. No CATS??? What is going on here????

[@abeautifullife5303]

Yep!

[@allegrosotto2126]

@@vencenzodemarco4393 there are whole towns in Victoria where any cat is banned.

[@allegrosotto2126]

And in the 1800s the government sent train loads of cat’s into the bush.

[@candyalexander2196]

We traveled out west from NC in 2018 for 2 months no issues of this sort then..things can change fast..no NP reservations anywhere..saw cats lots of places..no military camps in the woods if we saw trash we picked it up..in Florida a camper at a cracKer barrel had their stabilizers down slides out and Disconnected..we can not travel cross country to our destinations with our cracker barrels it's just to expensive..so if this activity grows all will be stopped and we will no longer b able to take cross county trips to see this beautiful land called American our homeland

[@MargaretWinchester]

I did hear that about filming at the national parks. It's really too bad that we can not😢

[@bottitaadventures6389]

Imagine all the folks that would buy a $100 yearly permit to any of the parks to shoot video. They can put a rule in there that it is for certain size set ups or something. The NPS would get a lot more money and much more exposure.

[@markwoods7237]

Wow! This is crazy.

[@goodmaro]

Are movies made before this policy was adopted grandfathered? Or does it count from the time of posting rather than production? For instance, what about the movies I have from 60 years ago of family at Gettysburg; could I post them to a potentially monetized site? Does it apply to still photography? Google's Street View camera car goes thru lots of national parks taking a succession of stills; did they need to pay? They also have contributors taking shots from scenic sites. But I don't know whether Google Maps is considered a monetized site if they have linked ads. How about aerial drone footage or stills? What if the vantage point is from outside the park?

[@shawnbryant60]

Thanks for the heads-up! Cause thats what I like to do is go to the mountains and do filming, 'and ya gotta douge natianal parks or just know where they are, and what a pain, dissapointing like you said, but how much is a permit cost?

[@gonagain]

The permit ranges from $100-$300, plus the daily fee and other possible expenses. There's a Bill making it's way through Congress right now that is supposed to address this problem and make it easier for us in the future.

[@vernlemasters6504]

Hello, I have seemingly lost track,of you guys. You said we can’t video in National wildlife refuges? My wife and I have both volunteered at the Crab Orchard National Wildlife Refuge in southern Illinois. I knew you couldn’t video in national parks but had no idea it also applied to wildlife refuges. I have belonged to the friends of crab orchard wildlife refuge photography club for many years and no one has ever mentioned that we couldn’t video. While I am a photographer and not a videographer I still very much appreciate knowing this. Thank you Vern

[@PinePowerLI]

Just do it, it's not like they're gonna arrest you if you don't pay. Unless this isn't the USA anymore....

[@jimbarta5482]

It's no longer "We the People..." but "We the Government..."

[@maskedmallard537]

More like, "We the Shareholders Who Bought The Government..."

[@boscodog4358]

Very sad start of affairs 😔

[@alanosborne1947]

Does this apply to still photos? If not you could just post stills of your trips.

[@slowercuber7767]

So much for the old Boy Scout adage: Leave only footprints, take only photographs.

[@videocamper]

The answer is always NO when you ASK a government organization. These are just regulations developed and interpreted by way too powerful bureaucrats. THEY ARE NOT LAWS!. But who can afford to fight them as you point out. More bureaucrats = more regulations. (Good job security for them.) Less is more when it comes to government.

[@markperry222]

In the UK the government got hell bent on 'Revenue Generation' of publicly owned assets, including information. Someone had this bright idea of all the money that would be earned. Guess what, all that happened was denial of access, as nobody ever paid. And ultimately when I was with a company that did want to buy something, there was no mechanism for payment. In my companies case it was information or road traffic to serve to the public. The thinking in government was that the companies paid them and the public paid us. The public did not want to pay us, a private company, for information that they had already paid for (as tax payers) and that they used to have access to for free in the past. As for the high fees, I remember a parallel with a well known photo hosting website that used to be free. There were some commercial users, but the vast majority of users were just private users. The the company got the bright idea that everyone would now have pay $100 to access their photos, when before it had been free. Result, most people said FU. Many people might have been willing to pay $10 but not $100. The hosting site shot itself in the foot.

[@lanemontgomery4968]

This goes back over a decade ago. I was at the National Capital and was taking a picture from one of the steps toward the mall when two Capital policemen approached me to ask what I was doing. My camera was on a tripod and I explained that I have a tremor and the tripod helped me take clear pictures. They asked me to accompany them into the bowels of the Capital (which was kinda neat, but totally unnecessary) where they examined my camera to make sure it could only shoot pictures and no ammunition. They then gave me a permit and released me to take my pictures. Thankfully, they didn't ask for a fee. Sounds ridiculous, but that's what happened to me as I was merely taking still pictures of the National Mall in Washington, DC.

[@gonagain]

Interesting story. Yeah, I always thought that Nikon SLR looked pretty suspicious!