Viera Lore Kind of Sucks.

We call them cute bun boys, but according to the lore they're forced into an existence that is anything but cute.
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Alt Titles
- Bun Boys Go Through A LOT
- Bun Boys May Seem Cute But They're Very Much NOT
- Viera Society is Incredibly Cruel
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[@-Tucker]

>no community >no friends holy moly, he's literally me

[@foxcat4995]

I'm currently working on my bunboi's lore. I couldn't torture him. So I went the route of second generation. Where his mother had already decided on leaving before having him. So he gets to wonder about his culture but knows that he's just an outsider and not welcome.

[@Bubbins]

Being second generation is actually a really good idea

[@bolladragon]

What sucks even more is the Viera could justify the terrible isolation the men deal with with “survival of the fittest” level eugenics. Since the ones that thrive in said lifestyle have more kids anyway, you end up with more kids that fit right in. The Viera NPC from the Sage quests, Loifa, must’ve had a particularly gentle mentor considering how ill Loifa was, and Loifa wished to be a Wood Warder more than anything.

[@Setulge]

Yeah, I was wondering about Loifa as well. Maybe the mentor was actually his father? Then I guess, it might depend on the Mentor's point of view. Some maybe want to creat the strongest and finest warriors the village and some probably just want the male population to survive and be healthy in general.

[@Hasediel]

I mean, you would get increasingly stronger offspring as generations go by, but that doesn't mean the mind inside said bodies will like the lives that await them, nor that they will adapt correctly to it. That is to say, functionally you'd have more people adapted to such a life style, but not that will necessarily enjoy it.

[@LeAnhThyEli]

"You're rare and integral to the survival and continuation of our species, now get out there and don't get eaten by a bear. Ciao~" This is like next level of idiocracy, How is this race still around and has not gone extinct is out of my mind xD

[@Nazuiko]

And if the sex ratio is seriouosly 1:4, then one assumes each male propogates with a small harem each time he returns. Or perhaps, one woman each time, but a rotation of sorts. With 4 partners, returning every 3-4 years means producing a kid with one woman, waiting until her daughter comes of age, and if she's a boy then she's whisked away into the forest to train, getting her pregnant with a second at the same time. Else you end up with half a dozen kids every couple years, playing the odds to *maybe* have a son each cycle, and almost certainly at least one son each decade.

[@InvisibleLad007]

By being extremly fertile I guess? Otherwise your point is 100 percent well made- their culture doesn't seem very invested in protecting the rarer sex.

[@Orphim]

@@InvisibleLad007 They are bunny people. Wouldn't be the weirdest lore to add to them.

[@phonicrose8395]

To be fair, most of the men aren't allowed to leave their forests. So in that aspect they are more protected on average. But considering they're rabbits, they probably have a lot of kids during the matting cycles, lol.

[@phonicrose8395]

You've missed a few points. 1) The reason kids stay until the age of 13, is so that they can be nutured by their mother and tought the basics of their culture. 13 is the average age of puberty and thus manhood for a lot of cultures. 2) There are some lore sources that point to Viera men actually having pods in the Forests where they socialize with eachother inbetween guarding the forests. 3) While never showcased, its implied that the men are guarding some form of Primal. Which is a sacred calling for them.

[@bucca2]

I feel like the fun of having a bunnyboy is figuring out how they left the Green Word! But I think with the recent explosion of bunnyboys, you could just go a little meta and say the small percentage of Viera who left are now having kids of their own completely outside the Green Word.

[@belovedchaos1]

As a bun girl I still find this lore very hard to fully understand. It’s sad to think the males are practically abandoned. I would very much like to have more lore and back story as to why this seems law and why all Viera just go with it. What whispers in the forest were heard and why must this be so? Thank you for the video.

[@Orphim]

Viera are very much an Amazonian society and in FF12, where they were created initially for the story, there were no males. I'm thinking a major reason they went this way would be to explain why there are absolutely no male Viera in past games (they were created more due to a fan movement/poll than anything else from my understanding) so they don't really have to retcon or correct past games that take place in the same (or similar) world. Also very much keeps up the Amazonian style without going quite as dark as Amazonians were... (DC originally used those Amazonian truths with Wonder Woman but later retconned them as well recently.) I also believe that there's some lore about the Green Word and how the forests are all feminine personalities (FF12's Viera refer to the forest as her.) The forests also seem to only speak to the women (could have changed as I'm not super familiar with the male lore) and are incredibly jealous and protective of the Viera to the point of any who broke the Green Word coming back with non-Viera friends are likely to have the very forest set against them to kill their companions and pull the target Viera back into the forest. (Fran does have that moment of attempt in FF12 by her village's forest, which is fun implied storytelling.)

[@Scerttle]

I believe the Viera lore was written before they were going to make male vieras playable, so the lore is written so bleak to give an excuse for why we never see males... which is still messed up lol

[@nirestrunk4923]

this

[@AB-jt4rs]

There seems to be a male viera in the dawntrail trailer so I don't believe that was the issue. The devs just fuckin hate bunny boys with a raging passion

[@plainsalt]

Erenville, the viera in the trailer is actually one of YoshiP's favourite characters, which is why he'll get more screentime. @@AB-jt4rs

[@kingdomking224]

@@AB-jt4rshave you caught up on story? Him being a character doesn’t dismiss this hypothesis

[@Orphim]

@@AB-jt4rs Viera were originally written for FF12 and were supposed to be an all female race like Amazonians. I think they are trying to avoid retcons while adding something otherwise incompatible to the original lore for them. Also gives them a reason as to how they even had a population that makes biological sense in the world they'd already set up. Plus, let's be honest, it's a whole lot better than what their inspiration did to men.

[@DrGrabAss.]

My toon is a bun girl, and this lore makes me kind of sad. I’d really like more lore background that explains why this is the way it is. I’ve been pining for years for race-specific quests similar to the role quests so we can learn the lore of each race. This one would be so cool to learn about.

[@UrbanBeatz9]

I started the game as a male Viera and have stuck with it. The back story I chose for my guy is that he sensed the forest was in danger, and had to venture out to meet that danger. I get it with the lack of a good back story though. Not much to work with. Could be that a male child was found and picked up. Raised abroad and has no clue of their own race. As you mentioned, not much to go off of

[@raerae3682]

WOW thats a very sad way of life! i play a Veira my favorite race on FFxiv

[@akumamakima2280]

Yeah they haven't really thought this through. Like if you live to around 300 years then how are you considered of age at 13? Why not 30 or 50? And yeah male viera have a bad deal.

[@vegeta002]

Assuming the lifestyle they currently live is the same one they've had for at least a majority of their history, it makes sense that natural selection would likely favour rapid maturity over slow and steady. The Viera who mature slowly are probably the same ones who die in childhood.

[@akumamakima2280]

@@vegeta002 or could it be they die because they're put in dangerous situations as children?

[@vegeta002]

@@akumamakima2280Yes, and the ones who mature the fastest will have the best chance of surviving long enough to pass on their genes to the next generation, while those who lag behind are more likely to die in childhood and never have a chance to reproduce. Thus, natural selection would most likely produce a race that matures faster, rather than one with a longer childhood proportional to their lifespan.

[@MisterVyle]

Viera always struck me as bad ass forest rangers, living together in packs until a male woodwarder becomes a master warder and goes off on his own and then begins taking his own trainees.

[@sloideh]

life of solitude just to get a night with a viera once every 5 years? sign me up!

[@b.h.4249]

I actually love this lore for male Vieras. It's very bleak, but has so much potential for interesting backstories, worldviews and character philosophies. Just thinking about the implications of such a solitary existence is so exciting because it would influence so many parts of a person's personality, behavior, instincts, and mentality. I'm having the time of my life incorporating these aspects into my WoL's backstory, personality and character arc.

[@yuzuade2645]

I wrote my bun boy as an escaped slave- or ‘Aan’- of Garlemald. Got me out of the vague and lonely lore and gave him a reason to have beef with the Garleans all in one.

[@laurenlunamar4729]

I got two viable ways for leaving since the dalmascus was conquered by garlean and at one point then they could have been taken and used as a constripted soldier or as an experiment the other viable route was that my character had gotten common sense and decided to run away from it.

[@TaleSeeker]

If I was making a new bunboy instead of fantasiang my old char into one I think I would have one of those Bunmen gather a group of boys, maybe from other villagers, maybe other likeminded bunmen and en masse abandon the Greenword, have them start a community and go from there.

[@kaylads]

I have a viera female and a male, I couldnt really come up a unique reason for them to leave as well so they both have just similar/same backstories 😂

[@TaleSeeker]

Maybe their siblings (or even twins) who didn't want to be separated?

[@Setulge]

Fellow bunboy here. My character started out as a femroe but got stuck as bunboy now xD I play my character as a 'since they weren't born Viera, they don't know the customs so they try to understand why are the women (and some men) looking funny at 'him' (nonbunarry bun). Only Anden and some of the kinder women near the ruins explained "Technically you shouldn't be allowed into the village but you're the ally of Ronka and... your case is different... Also, you're bonded" xD But yeah, if the rumours about 7.0 is true (that we're going to see the Viera homeland) we might get some more lore on our bunny boys. But then again, isn't the lore kinda... connected to irl buns? I honestly have no idea how rabbit/hare/bunny biology/physiology and hierarchy works tho.

[@Bubbins]

Yeah I wonder how Viera society handles non-binary folks. Do they get to choose? 😅 Thanks for telling me about them!

[@Setulge]

@@Bubbins I guess children technically are nonbinary before they hit puberty when the sex is then obvious? As I understand both male and female viera names are 'neutral' since they don't know into which gender they will grown up. *shrugs* Hopefully more lore will explain.

[@Bubbins]

Oh right that's true. You'd think I'd remember that having literally just made the video. 🤣

[@Setulge]

@@Bubbins *wheeze* No worries, it happens. Keep up the good bun work xD

[@Setulge]

@@Bubbins ​But then again, that's a good question if the nonbinary Viera is of adult age. Are they considered intersex/3rd gender? Do they stay with the women if they are possible to have offsprings even if they physically don't look a certain way and vice versa with the males? Outcasted from both groups or even revered? Are they considered still immature and/or having health problems? We can also look from that point of view so, I would say that's a good question to ask.

[@cherryindil8869]

I main au ra and I loved learn about them in Stormblood so special quests about every race would be wholesome ❤

[@Lenodan100]

I would agree that SE lack of detail on Viera lore is pretty upsetting compared to most other races present but maybe that’s to add to how much we just don’t know about them. I’m a bunboy at heart tho. When I read their lore the first time it was hard to understand why they were that way, especially when we don’t know exactly why there is such inequality in their gender population like, is it just the green word? How much has war with others affected this? Also is their race just more disposed to having more women than men? It’s all kinda unknown. Knowing what has happened around them though I find what they do to be both noble and sad. It feels like the green word was a necessity to keep their people and their way of life alive in the face of oppression and destruction. I like to think that male viera have only one mate and that I’m pretty sure men live alone not only to be strong but also not be dominated by the systems of the women who heavily out number them, it’s meant to try and keep them as individuals and I believe that while they may at times feel worlds apart that that doesn’t degrade their love for one another Anyways… thank you for coming to my tedtalk 😂

[@vegeta002]

Viera society speaks to me of a people that sees men as expendable and whose live mean little to society, not one that views them as "valuable" in _any_ sense of the word. They're just sperm banks and disposable meat shields; they exist solely to create children they'll likely never see and die to protect the people who honestly don't seem to really care if they live or die. Frankly, the Warrior Bunnies from GATE are more intelligent than the Viera in this regard; _they_ at least have the good sense to take their defenders from the _majority_ group, while the Viera instead use the entirety of a minority group that also happens to be one half of the reproductive system as meat shields. A single competent invader could probably cripple a Viera tribes ability to reproduce without even seeing the villages containing the majority of their population. My first MSQ completion was with a former Wood-warder archer who just said "Fuck it" after around 40-60 years of isolation and became a travelling red mage, but just ditched his wood-warder name and uses his original birth name instead of making a whole new name (my headcanon is that if they're identical until 13, male Viera likely use the same style of names as the female ones prior to being taken for their "man training").

[@kakarottuzumaki4346]

0:30 min.: This count ONLY for the Male once. We females arent that lonley. The only negativ side is the lag of romance tbh.

[@Reptaurs]

I made my bun boy a villain because he hated his upbringing so much lmaoo

[@SchuldigXII]

I'm a male bun, and yeah, that's an awful backstory... no wonder mine left to be an adventurer instead... dang SE 😮

[@ariannas535]

i hated the lore too, was too sad and harsh so i just headcanon that my bunboi's mother didn't agree with the way the males were treated so she gave him up to a nearby village and was raised by the people there

[@plebeianwisdom4296]

Best RPG ever! I’m able to roleplay effortlessly. 😂

[@KnightRaymund]

Yeah, Viera lore sucks. Not so fond of Miqo'te either but this is much worse. Miqo'te also seem to have done some modernizing since many urban ones don't really follow those clan rules anymore. Which includes my character. I'd like to think those exiled Viera do something similar, so if I was one I'd just say I was born from exiles. The lore also makes so little sense. Men are fewer and valuable, but they're put through such rigorous training that it kills many of them as teenagers? That's so dumb. But I guess they want only the 'best' to procreate. Bleh.

[@CarrCab]

Try being a Hrothgar.

[@rotisseriepossum]

huh, i always thought this only applied to the rava and that the veena are more chill

[@overdrivedrinker8284]

I thought they basically have the same culture and systems, just live in different areas

[@cthulha_north]

Feels like the Barbie movie if written by Square Enix

[@momos5803]

Such a sad life for a cute lil bun boy/man.

[@gothicshark]

The mature into male is an actual condition humans face, mostly in the Dominican Republic See: 5-alpha reductase deficiency

[@qwertyman321]

So they are modern men. Got it.

[@AnActualRealPotato]

I started during Shadowbringers, and the main reason for starting were the Nier raids, the FFXII raids, and of course, playable Viera... and while I'm not really what you'd call a roleplayer by any stretch, I am aware of the lore since I'm a big fan of FFXII and FFTA. I jumped on being a bunny girl right away since I loved the Viera from when I first started playing FFTA as a kid. Badass Amazonian Bunny Ladies? And they can be summoners? Sign me the fuck up. That all aside, my two cents on this is that the male viera lore is kinda there I think to explain a lack of male viera out there, considering they came from FFTA originally and were all female in that game. FFXII fleshed out the Viera as a race of people some more, but you still never saw male viera. When it came time to add Viera in FFXIV, it made sense that they made them female only in Shadowbringers but of course with this being an MMO, they had to add male viera due to popular demand eventually, so now we have insanely bleak lore for our fellow bun buns. I feel bad for them but, y'know. Thems the breaks. I imagine there are tribes of viera out there, or at least familes, of outcasts who don't follow the green word. That's just my headcanon. My personal bunny WoL I imagine came from Rabanastre and fled from there to not live under Garlean rule. She was born and raised in Rabanastre, so she was an outcast from the getgo.

[@Hasediel]

Imagine vanishing the Warrior of Light dude, and then trying to kill him if he enters your forest for treasure, glamour, or scrips. *...Fire IV...*