Suspend Your Disbelief (or, how to ruin everything in 7 steps)

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Vihart

Vihart

Күн бұрын

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@Ardorstorm
@Ardorstorm 5 жыл бұрын
“It takes effort to not accidentally become a cult” I uhhh... i just got here...
@CerberusConstellation
@CerberusConstellation 3 жыл бұрын
It also takes effort to not accidentally make a cult I've done it on at least 3 different occasions
@combatneenja4528
@combatneenja4528 3 жыл бұрын
one of us! one of us!
@beep8538
@beep8538 2 жыл бұрын
Same, I had a cult phase years ago when I accidentally mentioned a fruit name change-
@Callie_Cosmo
@Callie_Cosmo 2 жыл бұрын
Whatdaya mean???? It’s not a cult it’s just… educational lying! /j
@Anon-jf4el
@Anon-jf4el 2 жыл бұрын
@@combatneenja4528block pig with crown
@Load_the_ducks
@Load_the_ducks 6 жыл бұрын
I like this video; I'm a fairly information literate person (I _think_ ), but you make sure throughout the video that you don't do that which you warn of. I'm the guy who takes pride in disliking or not caring about clickbait, but you make sure to call me out on that too. I think this video raises a bit of awareness of how some content creators operate, but it doesn't allow those who aer allready aware sit up on their highhorse. Also, it's an effective use of satire. And it's funny. Mainly that. Now, let me resume my suspension.
@craigandjodiehand7510
@craigandjodiehand7510 2 жыл бұрын
That was an azing peice of literature lemme just print that off... there we go cheers mate
@Lucy_LostWord
@Lucy_LostWord Жыл бұрын
Yeet
@austinhodges1031
@austinhodges1031 Ай бұрын
I agree with what you say! That's exactly how I feel, and just feel bad for people who can't clearly see this. It feels good to be smart and really get what Vi is trying to tell us intellectuals here. (On a serious note, it was fun to realize that is exactly what I felt for a bit when reading your comment, and then I felt good about myself typing this serious note part of 'honest reflection', man, it just goes all the way down huh)
@Koolstr
@Koolstr 6 жыл бұрын
That....was so much more profound than I was expecting it to be. You never fail to amaze and impress Vihart - with this superb self-awareness, meta-commentary, sensible metaphor, and powerful implications, I will never see my browsing on KZbin as I used to.
@thefrostychemist
@thefrostychemist 6 жыл бұрын
That was really, really meta, and had a lot of definite implications that are solid yet subjective.
@douglaspantz
@douglaspantz 3 жыл бұрын
if Jreg was actually good
@lifestarmoonlight7460
@lifestarmoonlight7460 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve already accepted the world is like this
@Watchmedothatfor.u
@Watchmedothatfor.u 7 ай бұрын
I'm meta commenting now
@benm4784
@benm4784 2 жыл бұрын
This video becomes more relevant with each passing year. I try to watch it at least once a year, and every time it gets me to take a pause and think about what factors I allow to influence my media consumption. Thank you Vihart, you are a blessing to us all.
@OIeka
@OIeka Ай бұрын
It’s hitting in 2024 😭
@indecision6326
@indecision6326 6 жыл бұрын
"It might seem... unethical." Ethics aren't the first thing you think of when you're trying to ruin everything.
@trickytreyperfected1482
@trickytreyperfected1482 2 жыл бұрын
And ethics aren't exactly present in politics either, which I think this is meant to be an allegory/metaphor for.
@gamerdomain6618
@gamerdomain6618 2 жыл бұрын
@@trickytreyperfected1482 A metaphor? She's right in a direct, literal sense.
@trickytreyperfected1482
@trickytreyperfected1482 2 жыл бұрын
@@gamerdomain6618 right, but as far as I know she doesn't talk directly about politics in the video with the exception of making the passing joke "pi-litically" correct.
@Sold_a_dummy
@Sold_a_dummy 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant! A brilliant way to break down a very complicated topic. This happens everywhere but is only seen by the _fake enemies_
@syndicalistspeedsolver
@syndicalistspeedsolver 6 жыл бұрын
KZbin is the enemy. I call for a boycott
@firstclassstupid97
@firstclassstupid97 6 жыл бұрын
sorry, I just ruined your pretty 888 likes by liking your comment....
@elliotcm
@elliotcm 6 жыл бұрын
.. what?
@pierrecurie
@pierrecurie 6 жыл бұрын
+dorkly morkly You clearly missed the point of the video. The Nazis did follow the 7 steps, but this video wasn't specific to Nazis. Many awful cults and dictators have followed some variant of the 7 steps. This video is a warning to not allow ourselves to fall into the hands of some leader.
@khalilkafieh8099
@khalilkafieh8099 6 жыл бұрын
dorkly morkly looks like somebody liked their own comment.
@dresdnhope
@dresdnhope 6 жыл бұрын
"KZbin is like a giant cross-temporal Oujia board with a algorithmic triangle thingy." That's pretty much what I've been saying all along. Whenever old people ask what's KZbin, I tell them it's a like a cross-temporal Ouija board, and they're like, "Well why didn't they just say that in the first place?"
@absurdistcat
@absurdistcat 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve added “Cross-temporal ouija board” to my vocabulary
@Shrooblord
@Shrooblord 6 жыл бұрын
Right~! It makes so much more sense now I see it this way too!
@cubeofcheese5574
@cubeofcheese5574 6 жыл бұрын
+
@stilltoomanyhats
@stilltoomanyhats 6 жыл бұрын
I heard somewhere that ouija boards were originally sold as a simple party game without any pretence of talking to ghosts, the premise being an honest illustration of how people would string together meaningful sentences without conscious, deliberate coordination. Now I'm starting to think messages emanating from beyond the grave were a better marketing tactic not because it's scarier, but because it frees people from the greater horror of assuming responsibility for the stories and messages they create.
@stilltoomanyhats
@stilltoomanyhats 6 жыл бұрын
I probably went too far into Slavoj Zizek mode to make myself understood earlier, but if we continue the theme of KZbin as a ouija board, there's an interesting parallel between "why is the ghost such a creepy pervert? Not our fault, blame the ghost" and "why is [dumb controversy] getting so much attention? Not our fault, blame the algorithm / advertising incentives / manipulation by this or that malicious actor" Of course, there is more truth to the latter objection than the former (and if you didn't want to summon an entity with a tentacle fetish, you shouldn't have used the Necronomicon), but the psychology behind both is pretty similar. "No John, you are the demons - mon semamble, mon frère!"
@OmniSzron
@OmniSzron 6 жыл бұрын
Savage comment on radicalising echo chamber communities in a fun, innocuous package. Kudos. You've done it again.
@cucaulwell1287
@cucaulwell1287 6 жыл бұрын
"It takes effort to not accidentally become a cult." This is some Night Vale level stuff. Actually , on the subject of Night Vale, Vihart would make a really good Voice. I wonder if they've ever considered a position in radio...
@xogdo5260
@xogdo5260 5 жыл бұрын
I totally agree
@TheEvilCheesecake
@TheEvilCheesecake 2 жыл бұрын
When you only have four things you're interested in, everything will start to look like one of those four things.
@totally_not_a_bot
@totally_not_a_bot Жыл бұрын
​@@TheEvilCheesecakeWhen the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail.
@conoroneill8067
@conoroneill8067 6 жыл бұрын
People should really watch this multiple times. The first time I saw this, I saw it as an allegory of Trump and the alt-right. The second time I saw this, I saw it as an allegory for... well... me, and my own political beliefs.
@raney150
@raney150 6 жыл бұрын
I think that really is a good point. Trump and his fans fit this to a T. They aren't quite to step 7 yet, but they are in it. But also, people can easily fall for it for other ideologies. I briefly fell for this line of thinking in the Bernie or Bust movement. I snapped out of it by the time of the election, but I did fall for a bit. If I were to do it all over, I would still vote Bernie in the primaries, but I wouldn't fall into the Bernie or bust camp. Also, Bernie himself didn't want Bernie or bust, we were just hijacked by other people who took over. Even had an ally, Jill Stein who is close to Bernie on the political compass, make those flames even bigger.
@nottherealpaulsmith
@nottherealpaulsmith 6 жыл бұрын
I dunno, dude. /pol/ is looking pretty unironic.
@Kavukamari
@Kavukamari 6 жыл бұрын
now im trying to figure out who's tricking me and make sure all of my ideas are my own
@jenniemaes1967
@jenniemaes1967 6 жыл бұрын
Kavukamari There's no such thing, you're always influenced by the society you live in before coming up with your own ideas... Best you can do is pause and reevaluate from time to time to make sure you're making sense
@dermaniac5205
@dermaniac5205 6 жыл бұрын
Hm, when she made the comment about how the other side does not even believe what they claim to believe, and is just trying to be pi-litically correct, I thought it was pretty clear that it was an allegory of the alt-right.
@Carl.jpeg_
@Carl.jpeg_ 6 жыл бұрын
When I was Still in school after I watched one of your videos I would talk about them with my math teacher. And we got really close over it and I just want to thank you. I also want to do more and more with math because of you.
@mathdemigod8162
@mathdemigod8162 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a math teacher, and I regularly break up the monotony of lessons with a Vi Hart video. Students look forward to it every week. As such, I also thank you, Vi. You're inspiring a lot of people.
@xenathcytrin202
@xenathcytrin202 6 жыл бұрын
At first I was angry, thinking that your were talking about [INSERT BELIEF HERE], but then I realized you were talking about [INSERT OPPOSITION TO BELIEF HERE] and I totally agree. [INSERT OPPOSITION TO BELIEF HERE] is totally a cult and are basically evil in every way.
@likira111
@likira111 6 жыл бұрын
Xenath Cytrin this is pretty cutting, thats great. But I'm allready agaisnt both of two opposing sides (that I'm NOT bringing up here) so maybe thats why...hmmm........)
@catboyhole
@catboyhole 6 жыл бұрын
likira111 against both or for both or not giving a shit. it's all the same pretty much. it's still all taking a stand.
@R0DisG0D
@R0DisG0D 6 жыл бұрын
likira111 You are aware that the same narrative can be applied to centrists?
@MonzennCarloMallari
@MonzennCarloMallari 6 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say: Meta Step 1: Watch this video and conclude that the other side is exactly doing these steps. Meta Step 2: Be proud of yourself and move along, completely missing the point of the video.
@likira111
@likira111 6 жыл бұрын
R0DisG0D Yup I was trying to make a little self depriciating humor about that as well. Though I'm not centrist I'm more liberal (but I could be a bigger narsistic fuck and say I pride myself on centrists being more able to make fun of the self and thus futhering the cycle by calling myself a narsisistic fuck....hmmmm...........)
@folumb
@folumb 6 жыл бұрын
wow. I watch your videos to feel smarter than other people. I'm not as good a person as I thought
@dyllanusher1379
@dyllanusher1379 6 жыл бұрын
folumb that’s a very great thing to open up to! It’s not about you being a good or bad person because everyone has things they can work on:) you saying this publicly makes me think you are being honest with yourself and also that you can do some personal growth with this self realization!
@nixtypikal
@nixtypikal 5 жыл бұрын
I watch her videos to try and fool myself and me think I'm smart which will also make people think I'm smart by telling people that I watch videos about math, I have an inferiority complex, how fun
@seanboyd2898
@seanboyd2898 6 жыл бұрын
Love the 1984 newspeak double entendre at the end. While I never thought of those doodling in math class series as "real", I always assumed they were based on your grade school experience of being bored and doodling in class. I've read it takes around 1,000 hours of practise to obtain mastery, so you need to get your time in somewhere!
@yashpermalla3494
@yashpermalla3494 6 жыл бұрын
We would be an awesome cult
@johnkappel63
@johnkappel63 6 жыл бұрын
You could make a religion out of- No don't.
@lukewatson8848
@lukewatson8848 6 жыл бұрын
"Dammit Jim, I'm not a doctor, I'm a mathmatician"
@aquawoelfly
@aquawoelfly 6 жыл бұрын
@@johnkappel63 or a social justice sect... We must rescue maths from the repressive totalitarian views of the piarchy! Toa have rights too.
@syborg64
@syborg64 6 жыл бұрын
you must hexaflex to please the tri-god!
@HEELEO
@HEELEO 6 жыл бұрын
We are Tauists
@BigJoel
@BigJoel 6 жыл бұрын
This gave me chills, great work!
@agcummings11
@agcummings11 6 жыл бұрын
Hey look its you, your vids are cool! ( except youre wrong and incorrect and false about incredibles >:(
@AvalonisHere
@AvalonisHere 6 жыл бұрын
Whoah, Big Joel's here. You're my favourite!
@oof-rr5nf
@oof-rr5nf 6 жыл бұрын
Heya, Big Joel! Love your work.
@SSardonic
@SSardonic 6 жыл бұрын
Anyone interested in practicing media literacy would benefit from checking this Big Joel fellow's content
@zestyorangez
@zestyorangez 6 жыл бұрын
it's joel! keep up the good vids man
@niraofgallifrey315
@niraofgallifrey315 6 жыл бұрын
This was fun and depressing and informative and thought-provoking. Thank you, sort of
@mellowyellow7523
@mellowyellow7523 2 жыл бұрын
never before have i related so strongly to a comment posted 4 years prior my current experience
@archerbias6597
@archerbias6597 2 жыл бұрын
@@mellowyellow7523 i feel you there
@griffinshorts785
@griffinshorts785 Жыл бұрын
@@mellowyellow7523 this feels profound somehow
@thealsoperson2372
@thealsoperson2372 6 жыл бұрын
This video is just giving me flashbacks to so many different online communities.
@aMulliganStew
@aMulliganStew 6 жыл бұрын
The Also Person I was reminded of my time with the KZbin atheists.
@ElectricLimeade
@ElectricLimeade 6 жыл бұрын
This video is about your enemies. This video is about your friends. This video is about you. This video is about me. About all of us.
@BlackJaguarTV
@BlackJaguarTV 6 жыл бұрын
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@WNYmathGuy
@WNYmathGuy 6 жыл бұрын
Sir Brokoli I thought the URL was clip-board-monkey.com
@HuslWusl
@HuslWusl 6 жыл бұрын
This video's about communism
@WNYmathGuy
@WNYmathGuy 6 жыл бұрын
Husl Wusl if you named an idea you didn't like without naming the idea you like most, you missed the main point.
@HuslWusl
@HuslWusl 6 жыл бұрын
Michael Rupp r/whooosh
@LikelyToBeEatenByAGrue
@LikelyToBeEatenByAGrue 3 жыл бұрын
I come back to this one every once in a while when I recognize these things happening to me. It's a pretty good guide on how to spot manipulation in many forms. Thanks vihart of years past.
@riripebby
@riripebby 6 жыл бұрын
This video was doubleplusgood. I love Big Triangle.
@calebjowens
@calebjowens 6 жыл бұрын
Want to buy a glass paperweight?
@lazergurka-smerlin6561
@lazergurka-smerlin6561 6 жыл бұрын
Would you like a telescreen comrade?
@somebody-xu4mz
@somebody-xu4mz 6 жыл бұрын
I love how you both completely simplify everything to the point where you use almost baby language (plankie) and also dissect incredibly complex social and culteral issues.
@pedroscoponi4905
@pedroscoponi4905 6 жыл бұрын
This is a masterpiece
@1_1bman
@1_1bman 6 жыл бұрын
hello proto
@DanielDugovic
@DanielDugovic 6 жыл бұрын
Indeed, 13 minutes of building up tension, only to subvert expectations once again. Brilliant!
@petartsankov8655
@petartsankov8655 6 жыл бұрын
i wanna like this comment but it has exactly 360 likes and i don't want to ruin it
@Fassle
@Fassle 6 жыл бұрын
it's a step 2
@Fearabbit
@Fearabbit 6 жыл бұрын
Honest question - in which way is this a masterpiece? To me, who just found this channel, this was pretty hard to follow. I get that there's apparently some in-joke about pi and tau, but I'm having a hard time following her train of thought that seems determined to link suspension of disbelief, KZbin fandom, cults, and politics together. I kind of see some connections, but the common denominator seems to be herd mentality, which is a relatively simple concept. So if you could explain to me the brilliance of this, I would be grateful. And again, I'm being honest and serious about this. I want to understand what you're seeing here.
@vkflake8086
@vkflake8086 6 жыл бұрын
Step one was innocent enough.. But then, by step seven.. *_Benevolent Dictatorship_*
@sporepics
@sporepics 2 жыл бұрын
"it might be hard to find people who love you if you hurt others to get what you want." Wow, I wish this was true.
@lyrablack8621
@lyrablack8621 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm I agree sort of (that it's not true). In one sense, people who are more likely to love you are also the ones who are more likely to get hurt by you (citation: am sociopath :p). It's also not hard to get a following of adoring fans when everyone else is always labeled the enemy; that being said, I would consider neither of these forms of love to be anything particularly intimate, and in fact fall more along the lines of convenient untruths people tell themselves to justify actions. I do think it's incredibly hard to find intimate, long-term love when you foster an environment too cold to facilitate the warmth of mushy affections.
@icannotchoose
@icannotchoose 6 жыл бұрын
I am feeling so conflicted about buying a shirt after thus.
@LimeyLassen
@LimeyLassen 6 жыл бұрын
Split the difference and steal a shirt
@rotopenguin7357
@rotopenguin7357 6 жыл бұрын
conflicted between choosing one color, or buying both?
@mellowfish316
@mellowfish316 6 жыл бұрын
I suddenly had the horrible idea that either color would pair well with a red baseball cap. I am so torn.
@CatherineLu
@CatherineLu 6 жыл бұрын
i'm thinking that was kind of the point, too. :O
@Christian-ev1zu
@Christian-ev1zu 6 жыл бұрын
The main question is: What should we do with the people who don't buy shirts, that look down on us, hate us and want to ruin everything!
@eruyommo
@eruyommo 6 жыл бұрын
These are the most political maths I've seen since Pythagoras.
@Pfhorrest
@Pfhorrest 6 жыл бұрын
It never even occurred to me to consider the non-unsuspended-disbelief view of your videos (e.g. to think that you actually hated pi), and now realizing that some people might actually view things that way suddenly sheds light on possible origins of a lot of internet controversies. That is, I'm suddenly wondering if a reason why some people so vehemently hate some other people online is because they're seeing a fictional wrapper added to their opinions for the sake of art or entertainment as their real self. Sort of like Poe's Law, maybe. Some people are sarcastically saying absurdly over-the-top things as a rhetorical device, but other people don't get the sarcasm and think it's just an honest assertion of an absurd extremist view. And then people in the same camp as those people do the same thing but with the views reversed, and now you have a flamewar between two groups both attacking the sarcastic rhetorical strawmen of the other side and not actually engaging with each other.
@drelthian1114
@drelthian1114 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there was one KZbinr I was watching, and over time the community became too toxic for me. Watching this video, I'm starting to realize why. They followed these steps nearly to a tee, and it was already a bit too late when they tried to stop it.
@marksmod
@marksmod 6 жыл бұрын
this is not limited to "other people online"
@kagitsune
@kagitsune 6 жыл бұрын
Also trolls looking for a rise out of people. It's now considered "cool and edgy" to be hateful.
@rai_l
@rai_l 6 жыл бұрын
"Non-unsuspended disbelief" that thing's like 70% affixes at this point lol
@Mad.E
@Mad.E 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, very well put! But I also think that especially in case of youtubers we often enough tend to blame the youtuber's audience or the creator themself simply depending on whether we do or don't like them, you know? When we like the youtuber it's obvious to us that it's not her fault that some people misunderstand her art. But when we look at youtubers that have a worse reputation, suddenly they're responsible for every possible interpretation of what they say.
@cobaltcloud64
@cobaltcloud64 2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing this video as it came out and thinking i was understanding it... Man, a lot has changed in three years
@prestonang8216
@prestonang8216 6 жыл бұрын
“But im a professional person with a FACE” But is ur face a triangle? :P
@whatno5090
@whatno5090 5 жыл бұрын
Professional face person
@microwavedkoolaid9193
@microwavedkoolaid9193 5 жыл бұрын
Cosmetologist
@terryendicott2939
@terryendicott2939 6 жыл бұрын
"It is not political if it's a fact. Right?" --- Great ending to your metaphor. (By the way Tau is for people who can't divide by 2.)
@Walthanar
@Walthanar 6 жыл бұрын
Your start is so random and nonetheless the stream of consciousness proceeds in a direction so rational and so accurate that it's almost frightening in describing collective social interactions. I love you more every tau day.
@Fstop313
@Fstop313 6 жыл бұрын
damn. that got deep real quick
@robertnett9793
@robertnett9793 6 жыл бұрын
Came for snakes, stayed for deep philosphical thoughts...
@charliedulol
@charliedulol 6 жыл бұрын
facts at this point.
@benjaminmiller3620
@benjaminmiller3620 6 жыл бұрын
I mean... This IS ViHart after all.
@OIeka
@OIeka Ай бұрын
What did you expect
@LunaLuckyLight
@LunaLuckyLight 6 жыл бұрын
I need to watch this again, and develop countermeasures.
@dwolfy8916
@dwolfy8916 6 жыл бұрын
I cracked up on "pilitically correct" XD
@LJCRIA
@LJCRIA 6 жыл бұрын
Dwolfy 11:00 Wouldn't be surprised if stumbling upon that pun snowballed this script idea.
@GarbageGamer74
@GarbageGamer74 6 жыл бұрын
I think this is your best video yet, which is saying a lot. It's like a classic theorem, applicable on so many levels and to so many situations.
@samrel7746
@samrel7746 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think you broke the fourth wall. I think you actually showed us that we are within the four walls of the narrative.
@unblorbosyourshows9635
@unblorbosyourshows9635 2 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing comment, holy shit
@Nyzackon
@Nyzackon 2 жыл бұрын
+
@hellfirelordofevil
@hellfirelordofevil 6 жыл бұрын
Damn that described the mechanics of digital populism so accurately
@azukizukisan
@azukizukisan 6 жыл бұрын
leave out the part about planky and it's dead-on for pre-internet culty groupthink, too!
@JimFortune
@JimFortune 6 жыл бұрын
Is this how the whole "flat earth" thing got started?
@kyutora1024
@kyutora1024 6 жыл бұрын
Probably. I mean, wanting to feel superior is the best explanation to all this shit that I have right now.
@228anonymous
@228anonymous 6 жыл бұрын
No it’s how the whole “round earth” thing got start You’re part of a cult and you don’t even know it smh
@dynamicworlds1
@dynamicworlds1 6 жыл бұрын
Oh it gets far bigger than that. I won't name names as that would be counter productive, but I couldn't stop thinking about a certain figure going around political circles who's very much exploited the 1st 6 steps (including very successfully setting themselves up as a surrogate parental figgure)....and let's not forget what step 7 is. Well meaning people can fumble their way through this into creating a mess, but to those with an understanding of psychology and less grounded ethics, this is a roadmap to the beginnings of a cult or dangerous authoritarian political movement. Flat earthers are a fairly benign example.
@bradboxrud7233
@bradboxrud7233 6 жыл бұрын
this is how every major belief started, ever heard of the crusades?
@stylis666
@stylis666 6 жыл бұрын
Brad Boxrud Or the persecution complex. OMG They're letting GAYS get married now? Stop forcing your atheism on us!! Next thing you know they're taking prayer out of schools and it will be chaos! Cats and dogs sleeping together! Mass hysteria!! A nice little straw man that some people actually believe, unless that entire channel where people said that is just there to troll people like so people like me can feel a little better about themselves and superior! I know better on one topic so I AM better! Ha! Okay, maybe not. But isn't it all just about love? Apart from maybe the dictator who just wants power for themselves, pretty much everyone else just wants the best for the people around them because that keeps us breeding and safe. We just have very different opinions on what is actually good, or better, or what leads to our DOOM! Besides gay sex of course because our all powerful homophobic god will throw fire and brimstone on us for just thinking about it, like he always d... wait... how are there still gay people? Anyway. The way Vi 'ruined everything' was by explaining how things work and not by saying we ruin everything by making enemies of each other. Obviously everyone focused on the ingroup vs. outgroup bit because that has always been a thing that sucks us in and it's great to think about how we interact and why( hint, we (think we) need something to fight against to keep us motivated and alert and grouping helps with bonding which helps with procreation), but I noticed that she explained the 'magic trick' behind this video and behind story telling and that seemingly no one else noticed that. Now, think about this for a minute: is a magic trick less fun if you know how it works? Was this video less fun because she told you what she was doing, how she manipulates the audience? Is love less valuable if you know how it's just electrical and chemical processes in your brain? How afraid are people to lose the 'magic' if they learn how things work? Afraid enough to pretend that it's not true but your favorite wrong explanation is? Did you have an existential crisis when you learned that love is physics or that ultimately nothing matters? Did you then choose to stop, go backwards and unlearn how the magic trick works or did you try to learn more and find out that reality is actually far more beautiful in all its weirdness than any fantasy is? Anyway, that's my two cents on this video, my story that I projected on my planky. Just as all other comments are the projections from their respective authors. Now, read them again and see how much love, curiosity and how many humble attemps there are in them to show the current state of their ideas in the hopes to get feedback in order to learn more, but like Vi said, aren't we just talking to ourselves to reaffirm? I think it's both. Practice makes perfect. Ideas grow both through feedback from ourselves and from others and the more information we have the better our decisions are. I know it's a ridiculously long comment and if I actually understood it better myself then I could probably have made it a lot shorter, but I don't, yet. Then again, saying something is a short and concise way doesn't make it true nor does it show that we do understand everything it implies and being concise makes it a lot harder to find where we made mistakes and to correct them.
@slunce12
@slunce12 6 жыл бұрын
This made feel about as optimistic as CGP Grey's "7 Ways to Maximize Misery". Well done, Vihart.
@Frikiman_H
@Frikiman_H 6 жыл бұрын
Also known as: how to turn an inside joke into a how-to of group behavior and politics.
@ernststravoblofeld
@ernststravoblofeld 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Totally nailed it. Everyone should watch this one several times.
@brightonbetoit463
@brightonbetoit463 6 жыл бұрын
Excuse me?? Step 5?? Did you think I would miss that? Cause I almost did. Dont suspend your disbelief too much, kids!
@Atabi55
@Atabi55 6 жыл бұрын
Brighton Betoit ViHaRt sAiD 5 oN ThE 6tH sTEp omG !!1!1!!11!1!!one1!!
@brightonbetoit463
@brightonbetoit463 6 жыл бұрын
Ata Güler fair enough.
@Halokon
@Halokon 6 жыл бұрын
Fake views, only the failing Brighton Betoit thinks she said 5 when she was on 6. The real people (TAU) know better. SAD. What about when the Pi people are wrong? What's your answer for that?
@brightonbetoit463
@brightonbetoit463 6 жыл бұрын
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@Halokon
@Halokon 6 жыл бұрын
Nick Jonas once baked a tau and he binned it without even thinking. He's a monster, and his Pi is hollow.
@raykent3211
@raykent3211 6 жыл бұрын
A Greek said that pi should be pronounced pee. If tau (tor, not taow) is 2 pi, then we have two-pee, which sounds like toupie, the French for a spinning top, which is round and turns in circles. Deep or what? Toupie or not toupie, c'est la question. For an indecisive bladder. I'm torn.
@Mineman1998
@Mineman1998 5 жыл бұрын
Or.... 2*pee =pee pee
@flameindigo8035
@flameindigo8035 2 жыл бұрын
put the piss stone down.
@omeragam8628
@omeragam8628 6 жыл бұрын
you forgot the most important step: convince *yourself* of everything , thus becoming part of the cult yourself and removing the last week point in the cult.
@Blackmark52
@Blackmark52 6 жыл бұрын
The Pi and Tau controversy aside, this is a very good analysis of how political/religious factions and demogoguery work.
@dallaswalker340
@dallaswalker340 6 жыл бұрын
this feels so universally true that i was able to apply it to some roleplay group drama that's been going on in my vicinity... you seem to understand humans well.
@fatsquirrel75
@fatsquirrel75 6 жыл бұрын
I was hoping Planky was going to be on the t-shirt.
@Dragon22999
@Dragon22999 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe get people to sign something?
@MrLowbob
@MrLowbob 6 жыл бұрын
Okay, I've watched it 3 times now... I feel like I got it and also feel like I still missed a lot of it. The 3 most important questions I got now are: 1. which of my own peer groups are somewhere into these 7 steps? 2. what could we do, to break a peer group which is already kind of deep into these 7 steps? and 3. how to best defend yourself against falling for such things?
@kentslocum
@kentslocum Жыл бұрын
My favorite manufactured controversy is Qwerty versus Dvorak keyboard layouts.
@Mortegris
@Mortegris 6 жыл бұрын
I know this isn't really connected except for me, but step 6 applies to how my family views homosexuality. They said to me there are lots of people who pretend to be gay for sympathy. This is crazy insightful, and it really does apply to everything @_@ Great video.
@satibel
@satibel 6 жыл бұрын
Thing is there are people that pretend to be gay for sympathy, and there's also a lot of people who pretend to be straight for sympathy too. Trust me I'm an easily dismissable comment from someone you never met and probably won't talk to again, or maybe exchange a few extra lines of text if you reply. I'm getting too meta I should go to sleep.
@Mortegris
@Mortegris 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that, relatable-fellow-human. I appreciate your insight, and I'm sure there are people who do that as you say. It was just the way they said it made it sound like it was a much LARGER sub-set. Sleep is good.
@satibel
@satibel 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know your parents but you can probably argue (put forth counter arguments) when you disagree with them, they may be your parents and older than you but they are still humans, they don't know everything. Unless they are really stubborn, if you have good points, they probably would accept them.
@Mortegris
@Mortegris 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they said it a little while ago so I don't know if they've changed their minds, but they're like... 50/50 stubborn ratio? Thanks for the advice, random human.
@vitormelomedeiros
@vitormelomedeiros 6 жыл бұрын
This is the most brilliant political allegory I've seen after '08.
@papayacatproductions
@papayacatproductions 6 жыл бұрын
Torilovem Interwebs oh eight?! You better mean two kay sixteen or I’ll be so mad!!!!
@vitormelomedeiros
@vitormelomedeiros 6 жыл бұрын
What great political allegory was made between 2008 and 2016? Were the events themselves the allegory? That'd be so meta.
@Cernoise
@Cernoise 6 жыл бұрын
16>8
@grahamashtonuk2554
@grahamashtonuk2554 6 жыл бұрын
Torilovem Interwebs . Admit it. You're a tautard
@vitormelomedeiros
@vitormelomedeiros 6 жыл бұрын
Of course I am a tauist! You are the one who is an ableist pi-ist. Pi-ist looks terrible written down, I even added a dash because piist is even worse. Oh well lol
@seijiextra8789
@seijiextra8789 6 жыл бұрын
Well... that got dark *Fast*
@zenithquasar9623
@zenithquasar9623 6 жыл бұрын
Okay, I did not think you were literally in your algebra class, but I have thought, many times, that you might have really felt that way in your maths classes lol. Like, rather than a character, I thought you were genuinely sharing your thoughts. Personal looking channels like yours, I assume what is told is somewhat authentic and personal experience vs manufactured character. Maybe I am really naive lol.
@thatpitter
@thatpitter 6 жыл бұрын
This is the most interesting, in-depth video I've seen on KZbin in a really long time. Thanks for being able to teach people about difficult topics in ways that make things easier to understand! I love your videos!
@danieltaber4924
@danieltaber4924 6 жыл бұрын
Anyone else bugged by the hole in the center of her notebook?
@matthiasburger2315
@matthiasburger2315 6 жыл бұрын
Daniel Taber hat to rewatch the video for that. Yes, that is really creepy. Looks as if she had hammered a nail through it...
@AxiomPenguin
@AxiomPenguin 6 жыл бұрын
Came to the comments for this
@johnhyde
@johnhyde 6 жыл бұрын
might it be from when she had the foot spiral?
@danieltaber4924
@danieltaber4924 6 жыл бұрын
That... makes sense, actually.
@arfyness
@arfyness 6 жыл бұрын
No, just distracted wondering which video it came from.
@matamoney
@matamoney 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely destroyed the fourth wall, I love it. It's a Tau Day miracle!
@Xartab
@Xartab 6 жыл бұрын
Fantaustic!
@johnharvey5412
@johnharvey5412 6 жыл бұрын
"I'm so glad this is about every movement except the ones I'm a part of" - Everybody in this comment section
@pluspiping
@pluspiping 3 жыл бұрын
"this couldn't POSSIBLY be about progressive politics, though", say the progressives in the comments section. Then they go back to their other social media pages... where 'progressive' blogs post screencaps from Obviously Satire blogs, frame them as real, and fan the flames of outrage (while mentioning "by the way, buy this stuff from our sponsors, and remember that voting is pointless!") Yes. Your Group has cult dynamics that do this too. Watch for it.
@xhantTheFirst
@xhantTheFirst 2 жыл бұрын
@@pluspiping Clearly this was not charged at all :^)
@itismethatguy
@itismethatguy 2 жыл бұрын
xD and that applies to some types of comments which are against that too. Except of course me cuz im good and likable and cool but unnoticed because if people notice me they wouldn’t get sympathy or money
@ruizmanuel69
@ruizmanuel69 5 жыл бұрын
Wait a second... it took me this long to realize Vihart tells her stories in second person?
@austinbryan6759
@austinbryan6759 5 жыл бұрын
Oh shit she does. That's wack but dope
@1noxaj
@1noxaj 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this masterfully crafted plan. I will share this plan with my friend, and watch as he conquers KZbin one step at a time.
@adirmugrabi
@adirmugrabi 6 жыл бұрын
wait, what?! you are not really in math class? my life is just as it was before i knew this except that now i DO KNOW THIS!!!
@icecubeviking
@icecubeviking 6 жыл бұрын
She bakes pies in this videos.
@icecubeviking
@icecubeviking 6 жыл бұрын
r/woosh
@FlyingDominion
@FlyingDominion 6 жыл бұрын
vava EXE I enjoyed that venn pie-agram. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZ6wlniBfN6hna8
@Qieth
@Qieth 6 жыл бұрын
adir mugrabi that's when I realised that I was the one in class!
@iisgray
@iisgray 6 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace, or wake in peace, whichever you're currently doing.
@Peter
@Peter 6 жыл бұрын
Well done, SO well done.
@FaliusAren
@FaliusAren 6 жыл бұрын
Wait, is there no intersection of your fans and Vi's? How is this comment not drowned in replies by now?
@Peter
@Peter 6 жыл бұрын
This is nice of you. ❤
@15schaa
@15schaa 6 жыл бұрын
6:36 Mathematically correct, I suppose.
@MirrorsofConsciousness
@MirrorsofConsciousness 5 жыл бұрын
This is perhaps your best yet - and all of your videos are fantastic. Everyone needs to watch this several times… as I will!
@MsJaneEHawkins
@MsJaneEHawkins 6 жыл бұрын
WOW! Saved to my best loved playlist, now I’m going to share with everyone who might listen. This is amazing on so many levels that I hope it goes massively viral.
@jasoniyu
@jasoniyu 6 жыл бұрын
Happy Tau day! :)
@isabelledew6474
@isabelledew6474 6 жыл бұрын
6.28.2018! -well, in england, its 28.06.2018, but, who cares when you have MATHS?-
@Yotanido
@Yotanido 6 жыл бұрын
2018-06-28 with an ISO 8601 date. Let's just ignore the year and call it 06-28.
@mads_in_zero
@mads_in_zero 6 жыл бұрын
Me: Man, this is a good Vi video Video: Starts getting all metaphor-y about biases ingrained by fiction Me: Heck yes!
@valirionsaphris
@valirionsaphris 6 жыл бұрын
Yay! New vihart video!
@fluff926
@fluff926 6 жыл бұрын
Yay! ViHeart content!
@KccArt
@KccArt 5 жыл бұрын
As someone who is in a class about the study of genocide, this isn't far off of how to start a genocide, and is similar to the steps Hitler himself took. So that's cool.
@maesmattias
@maesmattias 5 жыл бұрын
This is so applicable to like any opposite opinion groups. Loved this. I know this a video from years ago but still found the need to post this. Thx Vi Hart.
@elena4256
@elena4256 6 жыл бұрын
Is this a,,,,, METAPHOR???
@only20frickinletters
@only20frickinletters 6 жыл бұрын
But what's the meta for?
@Zolbat
@Zolbat 6 жыл бұрын
17inchcorkscrew could be many things (the whole thing kind of our zeitgeist). Some manifestations of feminism maybe, or the cultural appropriation thing etc.
@Graemyr
@Graemyr 6 жыл бұрын
That's the beauty of it, eh? My mind immediately jumped to xenophobia/the acolytes of Trump. The people who we perceive as doing harm are the ones we'll ascribe this cult mentality to. It's up to us to reflect on our own beliefs/actions to determine which cults we ourselves have fallen prey to!
@justinwhite2725
@justinwhite2725 6 жыл бұрын
Graemyr Interesting - it seems to me that the metaphor perfectly describes intersectionalism and identity politics - especially the part 4 about making the group feel like they are hated (IE victims) even when nothing could be further from the truth.
@justinwhite2725
@justinwhite2725 6 жыл бұрын
OTOH now that I got to #6 it sounds like radical Islam. Sounds to me like this analogy fits for pretty much any radical ideology.
@FellshardYT
@FellshardYT 6 жыл бұрын
If your first reaction to this video is, "See, that's what does! I knew they were bad!"; may I suggest you re-watch, this time examining your own thoughts, motives, and perspective to see if you yourself aren't infected with the same disease? See how similar that sounds to what you just accused of?
@merepseu
@merepseu 6 жыл бұрын
I tried but all the actual murders they'd been doing kind of skewed it all over again.
@FellshardYT
@FellshardYT 6 жыл бұрын
Does a group do murders? Is a group responsible?
@AvalonisHere
@AvalonisHere 6 жыл бұрын
Fellshard If a group has come together under their shared interest in murder, then I'd say signs point to yes.
@FellshardYT
@FellshardYT 6 жыл бұрын
Now find me such a group, and show me that their intent and interest is indeed murder. Ascribing motives and intents to someone that does not hold them is itself part and parcel of what Vihart is speaking of.
@SuperCaleb283
@SuperCaleb283 6 жыл бұрын
The Klan? Can we agree that the Klan is legitimately interested in murdering/enslaving non-whites? Nazis wanting to eradicate the Jewish people, maybe? Surely we can generally agree on those.
@siyeons_arms
@siyeons_arms 6 жыл бұрын
So my school celebrates pi day and not tau day? Wow ok whatever
@ieatgarbage8771
@ieatgarbage8771 6 жыл бұрын
i fangirl cos i can girl yeah, it really suck for people who like tau, with schools even pushing pi.
@aether8344
@aether8344 6 жыл бұрын
I’m not even in school for tau day. Isn’t it summer vacation for you too?
@lvodniza
@lvodniza 6 жыл бұрын
Aethermations I’m pretty sure no one is in school lol
@malhalewell6846
@malhalewell6846 6 жыл бұрын
Those two-faced bastards
@BlueTissue
@BlueTissue 6 жыл бұрын
Same
@Ylurple
@Ylurple 6 жыл бұрын
Vi, your videos are always so amazing and intriguing that you have one of the very few channels where I never can multitask with other windows while watching. I always fullscreen your videos and sit attentively, since they're so good.
@dman375
@dman375 6 жыл бұрын
EVERYONE should see this!!! Outstanding breakdown of a complicated and important topic!
@heyandy889
@heyandy889 6 жыл бұрын
The shirt actually exists? So ... I'm totally lost on the intended message of the shirt. Is it "Ha ha I am wearing this shirt as an ironic comment on the inescapable cross-temporal Ouija board we call social media as a driving factor of delusional beliefs about the physical world." Or is it "I like tau?" Because the message from the video I got was the former, but it seems like the t-shirt says the latter.
@tori3881
@tori3881 6 жыл бұрын
its both kinda
@toriknorth3324
@toriknorth3324 6 жыл бұрын
You might think it's one of those two possible messages, but secretly the shirts are a plot by Vi to carry out steps 1-3 in the video >:D
@danilooliveira6580
@danilooliveira6580 6 жыл бұрын
that all depends on how seriously you take it. for me its just a funny and really cool looking shirt about a math community joke. but for some it may be the beginning of a cult sold by social media algorithm.
@abhishekchavan51
@abhishekchavan51 6 жыл бұрын
Snakes 🐍
@armelfrancois7009
@armelfrancois7009 6 жыл бұрын
this comment MUST get the most likes
@thomasboys7216
@thomasboys7216 6 жыл бұрын
Snakesnakesnakesnake
@abhishekchavan51
@abhishekchavan51 6 жыл бұрын
Thomas Boys 🐍🐍 vihart💙
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 6 жыл бұрын
There needs to be a sneksneksneksneksneksnek shirt.
@starrychloe
@starrychloe 6 жыл бұрын
Don't tread on me, yo.
@onerandomnerdygirl2306
@onerandomnerdygirl2306 6 жыл бұрын
You’re videos are some of my favorite suspended disbelief sessions I ever have. Also serpent-agram still decorates my college notes sometimes ❤️
@amys3168
@amys3168 6 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you brought the mood up at the end. I was working on crying, screaming, and sinking into a deep dark place...
@EnHatchEss
@EnHatchEss 6 жыл бұрын
I do not leave comments anywhere, however this was genius. Thank you for making the world ever so slightly better via your presence and output.
@MagicPigeon
@MagicPigeon 6 жыл бұрын
10:50 First you tell me tau is better than pi and now that six doesn't really exist???? #Justice4Six
@Wander4P
@Wander4P 6 жыл бұрын
This is wonderful. I love how the hole is still in the notebook.
@MatthijsvanDuin
@MatthijsvanDuin 6 жыл бұрын
Can't we just skip to the last step? Hail overlord Vihart! Your legion awaits your command!
@frechjo
@frechjo 5 жыл бұрын
It's so good to see a social communicator actually care about their effect on the audience (beyond getting more views, that is), and trying to educate their audience into critical viewing. I feel that classic text analysis is easier when most of the context is driven by people making decisions. This new interactions between partially hidden automatic parts, emergent social behaviours, and the communicator's intentions and ideas about the system makes it all bit more messy and complex. Of course, all this just following along with the fiction of the video ;) We _are_ just a cult after all.
@isaaaaaaaa6340
@isaaaaaaaa6340 Жыл бұрын
I was so interested in this so I’m sad she stopped posting… she learned me most of my fun math facts :)
@markoneill2447
@markoneill2447 6 жыл бұрын
This is media literacy.
@kalimer0968
@kalimer0968 6 жыл бұрын
Yes! That's very well put. Had it at the tip of my tongue, but couldn't quite get there.
@2ndviolin
@2ndviolin 6 жыл бұрын
KZbin does channel you to videos that confirm your existing belief. Luckily, I am have the right opinions already.
@j.redhead
@j.redhead 6 жыл бұрын
oh that's good to-- wait a minute
@starrychloe
@starrychloe 6 жыл бұрын
Lucky you. I get both Jordan Peterson and Antifasciste videos. Maybe I'm a special snowflake?
@conoroneill8067
@conoroneill8067 6 жыл бұрын
Same. But I actively had to work for months to show me that, because I deliberately wanted it to show me videos that were outside my echo chamber. Even then, I feel like it still preferences left-wing channels (my actual beliefs).
@Fassle
@Fassle 6 жыл бұрын
guys, it's a step 4
@DancingRain
@DancingRain 6 жыл бұрын
Bravo! May I drop something in the suggestion box? The Bowl and the Laser Bat (the jazzy version) on a T-shirt.
@MissingRaptor
@MissingRaptor 5 жыл бұрын
This video is so good it gives me chills and plenty to think about. Thanks Vihart!
@AddilynneLastname
@AddilynneLastname 6 жыл бұрын
this is great allegory, and at a time when we really need it, thanks
@kappaross6124
@kappaross6124 6 жыл бұрын
"Trapezoids are always the villain" Wow now I feel sorry for Trapezoids... >.>
@brianmchaney7473
@brianmchaney7473 6 жыл бұрын
Well, did you ever stop to think that there might be a reason for that? Not shapist, btw. my sister's boyfriend is a trapezoid, so.....
@4saken404
@4saken404 6 жыл бұрын
Vihart, you're a national treasure. But how dare you sell out and make t-shirts. Because what I really want is fridge magnets!
@davinkie3510
@davinkie3510 6 жыл бұрын
Vihart? KZbin animator? Musician? Mathmation? Educator? Entertainer? Cult leader? The world will never know
@rabbitpiet7182
@rabbitpiet7182 6 жыл бұрын
Brooklen wits because she’ll send the cult out to keep it a secret I mean uhm...nope...nobody will know.
@enbyennui
@enbyennui 5 жыл бұрын
Or, "When Vihart became Innuendo Studios for 14 minutes"
@skylertaliesin3132
@skylertaliesin3132 2 жыл бұрын
This popped up at just the right time (as so many of these things do, Praise the Holy Algorithm) and it really got me thinking about my media consumption. I'm just self-aware enough to know that I'm particularly vulnerable to suggestion because I always try to "see things from the other side" and give people the benefit of the doubt. That's a helpful trait to have, until I adopt new beliefs without thinking critically about *why* I should believe them. It's not exclusive to one particular group, or one political ideology, or one religion (or group based around a lack thereof,) this is a fundamentally *human* phenomenon. If you hold the steadfast belief that you're immune to it, you're probably among the most susceptible. (And it certainly doesn't help that social media companies make boatloads of money from manufacturing outrage and divisiveness, but I'll leave that for another soapbox.)
@LucasPreti
@LucasPreti 6 жыл бұрын
This video is what KZbin was meant for. *It made it all worth it.*
@toobusytocreateaname
@toobusytocreateaname 6 жыл бұрын
Lucas Preti +
@MrDowntemp0
@MrDowntemp0 6 жыл бұрын
10:49 Step 5 ? Vi has gone to the other side. Numbers are meaningless and no-longer real!
@IDWpresents
@IDWpresents 6 жыл бұрын
Seeing all these comments that say Stuff like "YAY VI HART UPLOADED" make me feel uneasy now
@qtipcraicmarauder
@qtipcraicmarauder 6 жыл бұрын
IDWpresents why? (Not to be rude or nosey)
@IDWpresents
@IDWpresents 6 жыл бұрын
Its step 1 of the process Vi outlined: Create a group identity behind a shared belief (That Vi Hart Is Awesome). Its obviously not particularly dangerous because of the particular topic of this video but it does make me uneasy
@BeCurieUs
@BeCurieUs 6 жыл бұрын
Introspection is always good :D
@qtipcraicmarauder
@qtipcraicmarauder 6 жыл бұрын
IDWpresents yeah I get what you mean
@timh.6872
@timh.6872 6 жыл бұрын
So the trick there is that sometimes comment threads turn into debates that turn into ideology battles, and entire wars can be waged as described in the video. Other times, people are just legitimately expressing their excitement and support for things they enjoy, like kids being excited about getting ice cream after school. Until things start getting creepy and groupthinky, I feel it's safe to assume "yay vi uploaded something!" is an entirely innocent expression of support and encouragement to the content creator. The caveat to this video is that the formula she laid out can be applied to nearly everything in varying intensity. Brand loyalty is literally a slimmed down version of this phenomenon, particularly in fast food and cell phone companies. Apply it too much, and you'll worry your way out of enjoying anything, which is A) no fun and B) entirely not the point. It's good to be aware of, but not good to be constantly fretting about.
@AlaapHasan
@AlaapHasan Жыл бұрын
Insights from 5 years ago 5:00 , vi hart You’re a real inspiration Don’t make me rewatch all your videos, please we need more nutrition
@ruthkinyon4665
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I feel like I could watch this 1000 times and each time focus on a different senario that this applies to cause it applies to so much
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