Suspend Your Disbelief (or, how to ruin everything in 7 steps)

[@Ardorstorm]

“It takes effort to not accidentally become a cult” I uhhh... i just got here...

[@CerberusConstellation]

It also takes effort to not accidentally make a cult I've done it on at least 3 different occasions

[@combatneenja4528]

one of us! one of us!

[@beep8538]

Same, I had a cult phase years ago when I accidentally mentioned a fruit name change-

[@Callie_Cosmo]

Whatdaya mean???? It’s not a cult it’s just… educational lying! /j

[@Anon-jf4el]

@@combatneenja4528block pig with crown

[@Load_the_ducks]

I like this video; I'm a fairly information literate person (I _think_ ), but you make sure throughout the video that you don't do that which you warn of. I'm the guy who takes pride in disliking or not caring about clickbait, but you make sure to call me out on that too. I think this video raises a bit of awareness of how some content creators operate, but it doesn't allow those who aer allready aware sit up on their highhorse. Also, it's an effective use of satire. And it's funny. Mainly that. Now, let me resume my suspension.

[@craigandjodiehand7510]

That was an azing peice of literature lemme just print that off... there we go cheers mate

[@Lucy_LostWord]

Yeet

[@austinhodges1031]

I agree with what you say! That's exactly how I feel, and just feel bad for people who can't clearly see this. It feels good to be smart and really get what Vi is trying to tell us intellectuals here. (On a serious note, it was fun to realize that is exactly what I felt for a bit when reading your comment, and then I felt good about myself typing this serious note part of 'honest reflection', man, it just goes all the way down huh)

[@Sold_a_dummy]

Absolutely brilliant! A brilliant way to break down a very complicated topic. This happens everywhere but is only seen by the _fake enemies_

[@syndicalistspeedsolver]

KZbin is the enemy. I call for a boycott

[@firstclassstupid97]

sorry, I just ruined your pretty 888 likes by liking your comment....

[@elliotcm]

.. what?

[@pierrecurie]

+dorkly morkly You clearly missed the point of the video. The Nazis did follow the 7 steps, but this video wasn't specific to Nazis. Many awful cults and dictators have followed some variant of the 7 steps. This video is a warning to not allow ourselves to fall into the hands of some leader.

[@khalilkafieh8099]

dorkly morkly looks like somebody liked their own comment.

[@cucaulwell1287]

"It takes effort to not accidentally become a cult." This is some Night Vale level stuff. Actually , on the subject of Night Vale, Vihart would make a really good Voice. I wonder if they've ever considered a position in radio...

[@xogdo5260]

I totally agree

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

When you only have four things you're interested in, everything will start to look like one of those four things.

[@totally_not_a_bot]

​@@TheEvilCheesecakeWhen the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail.

[@benm4784]

This video becomes more relevant with each passing year. I try to watch it at least once a year, and every time it gets me to take a pause and think about what factors I allow to influence my media consumption. Thank you Vihart, you are a blessing to us all.

[@OIeka]

It’s hitting in 2024 😭

[@Koolstr]

That....was so much more profound than I was expecting it to be. You never fail to amaze and impress Vihart - with this superb self-awareness, meta-commentary, sensible metaphor, and powerful implications, I will never see my browsing on KZbin as I used to.

[@thefrostychemist]

That was really, really meta, and had a lot of definite implications that are solid yet subjective.

[@douglaspantz]

if Jreg was actually good

[@lifestarmoonlight7460]

I’ve already accepted the world is like this

[@Watchmedothatfor.u]

I'm meta commenting now

[@dresdnhope]

"KZbin is like a giant cross-temporal Oujia board with a algorithmic triangle thingy." That's pretty much what I've been saying all along. Whenever old people ask what's KZbin, I tell them it's a like a cross-temporal Ouija board, and they're like, "Well why didn't they just say that in the first place?"

[@absurdistcat]

I’ve added “Cross-temporal ouija board” to my vocabulary

[@Shrooblord]

Right~! It makes so much more sense now I see it this way too!

[@cubeofcheese5574]

+

[@stilltoomanyhats]

I heard somewhere that ouija boards were originally sold as a simple party game without any pretence of talking to ghosts, the premise being an honest illustration of how people would string together meaningful sentences without conscious, deliberate coordination. Now I'm starting to think messages emanating from beyond the grave were a better marketing tactic not because it's scarier, but because it frees people from the greater horror of assuming responsibility for the stories and messages they create.

[@stilltoomanyhats]

I probably went too far into Slavoj Zizek mode to make myself understood earlier, but if we continue the theme of KZbin as a ouija board, there's an interesting parallel between "why is the ghost such a creepy pervert? Not our fault, blame the ghost" and "why is [dumb controversy] getting so much attention? Not our fault, blame the algorithm / advertising incentives / manipulation by this or that malicious actor" Of course, there is more truth to the latter objection than the former (and if you didn't want to summon an entity with a tentacle fetish, you shouldn't have used the Necronomicon), but the psychology behind both is pretty similar. "No John, you are the demons - mon semamble, mon frère!"

[@BigJoel]

This gave me chills, great work!

[@agcummings11]

Hey look its you, your vids are cool! ( except youre wrong and incorrect and false about incredibles >:(

[@AvalonisHere]

Whoah, Big Joel's here. You're my favourite!

[@oof-rr5nf]

Heya, Big Joel! Love your work.

[@SSardonic]

Anyone interested in practicing media literacy would benefit from checking this Big Joel fellow's content

[@zestyorangez]

it's joel! keep up the good vids man

[@indecision6326]

"It might seem... unethical." Ethics aren't the first thing you think of when you're trying to ruin everything.

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

And ethics aren't exactly present in politics either, which I think this is meant to be an allegory/metaphor for.

[@gamerdomain6618]

@@trickytreyperfected1482 A metaphor? She's right in a direct, literal sense.

[@trickytreyperfected1482]

@@gamerdomain6618 right, but as far as I know she doesn't talk directly about politics in the video with the exception of making the passing joke "pi-litically" correct.

[@conoroneill8067]

People should really watch this multiple times. The first time I saw this, I saw it as an allegory of Trump and the alt-right. The second time I saw this, I saw it as an allegory for... well... me, and my own political beliefs.

[@raney150]

I think that really is a good point. Trump and his fans fit this to a T. They aren't quite to step 7 yet, but they are in it. But also, people can easily fall for it for other ideologies. I briefly fell for this line of thinking in the Bernie or Bust movement. I snapped out of it by the time of the election, but I did fall for a bit. If I were to do it all over, I would still vote Bernie in the primaries, but I wouldn't fall into the Bernie or bust camp. Also, Bernie himself didn't want Bernie or bust, we were just hijacked by other people who took over. Even had an ally, Jill Stein who is close to Bernie on the political compass, make those flames even bigger.

[@nottherealpaulsmith]

I dunno, dude. /pol/ is looking pretty unironic.

[@Kavukamari]

now im trying to figure out who's tricking me and make sure all of my ideas are my own

[@jenniemaes1967]

Kavukamari There's no such thing, you're always influenced by the society you live in before coming up with your own ideas... Best you can do is pause and reevaluate from time to time to make sure you're making sense

[@dermaniac5205]

Hm, when she made the comment about how the other side does not even believe what they claim to believe, and is just trying to be pi-litically correct, I thought it was pretty clear that it was an allegory of the alt-right.

[@Carl.jpeg_]

When I was Still in school after I watched one of your videos I would talk about them with my math teacher. And we got really close over it and I just want to thank you. I also want to do more and more with math because of you.

[@mathdemigod8162]

I'm a math teacher, and I regularly break up the monotony of lessons with a Vi Hart video. Students look forward to it every week. As such, I also thank you, Vi. You're inspiring a lot of people.

[@xenathcytrin202]

At first I was angry, thinking that your were talking about [INSERT BELIEF HERE], but then I realized you were talking about [INSERT OPPOSITION TO BELIEF HERE] and I totally agree. [INSERT OPPOSITION TO BELIEF HERE] is totally a cult and are basically evil in every way.

[@likira111]

Xenath Cytrin this is pretty cutting, thats great. But I'm allready agaisnt both of two opposing sides (that I'm NOT bringing up here) so maybe thats why...hmmm........)

[@catboyhole]

likira111 against both or for both or not giving a shit. it's all the same pretty much. it's still all taking a stand.

[@R0DisG0D]

likira111 You are aware that the same narrative can be applied to centrists?

[@MonzennCarloMallari]

I was gonna say: Meta Step 1: Watch this video and conclude that the other side is exactly doing these steps. Meta Step 2: Be proud of yourself and move along, completely missing the point of the video.

[@likira111]

R0DisG0D Yup I was trying to make a little self depriciating humor about that as well. Though I'm not centrist I'm more liberal (but I could be a bigger narsistic fuck and say I pride myself on centrists being more able to make fun of the self and thus futhering the cycle by calling myself a narsisistic fuck....hmmmm...........)

[@OmniSzron]

Savage comment on radicalising echo chamber communities in a fun, innocuous package. Kudos. You've done it again.

[@seanboyd2898]

Love the 1984 newspeak double entendre at the end. While I never thought of those doodling in math class series as "real", I always assumed they were based on your grade school experience of being bored and doodling in class. I've read it takes around 1,000 hours of practise to obtain mastery, so you need to get your time in somewhere!

[@folumb]

wow. I watch your videos to feel smarter than other people. I'm not as good a person as I thought

[@dyllanusher1379]

folumb that’s a very great thing to open up to! It’s not about you being a good or bad person because everyone has things they can work on:) you saying this publicly makes me think you are being honest with yourself and also that you can do some personal growth with this self realization!

[@nixtypikal]

I watch her videos to try and fool myself and me think I'm smart which will also make people think I'm smart by telling people that I watch videos about math, I have an inferiority complex, how fun

[@pedroscoponi4905]

This is a masterpiece

[@1_1bman]

hello proto

[@DanielDugovic]

Indeed, 13 minutes of building up tension, only to subvert expectations once again. Brilliant!

[@petartsankov8655]

i wanna like this comment but it has exactly 360 likes and i don't want to ruin it

[@Fassle]

it's a step 2

[@Fearabbit]

Honest question - in which way is this a masterpiece? To me, who just found this channel, this was pretty hard to follow. I get that there's apparently some in-joke about pi and tau, but I'm having a hard time following her train of thought that seems determined to link suspension of disbelief, KZbin fandom, cults, and politics together. I kind of see some connections, but the common denominator seems to be herd mentality, which is a relatively simple concept. So if you could explain to me the brilliance of this, I would be grateful. And again, I'm being honest and serious about this. I want to understand what you're seeing here.

[@niraofgallifrey315]

This was fun and depressing and informative and thought-provoking. Thank you, sort of

[@mellowyellow7523]

never before have i related so strongly to a comment posted 4 years prior my current experience

[@archerbias6597]

@@mellowyellow7523 i feel you there

[@griffinshorts785]

@@mellowyellow7523 this feels profound somehow

[@yashpermalla3494]

We would be an awesome cult

[@johnkappel63]

You could make a religion out of- No don't.

[@User7624name]

We would just forcefully teach people about shapes

[@lukewatson8848]

"Dammit Jim, I'm not a doctor, I'm a mathmatician"

[@aquawoelfly]

@@johnkappel63 or a social justice sect... We must rescue maths from the repressive totalitarian views of the piarchy! Toa have rights too.

[@syborg64]

you must hexaflex to please the tri-god!

[@ElectricLimeade]

This video is about your enemies. This video is about your friends. This video is about you. This video is about me. About all of us.

[@BlackJaguarTV]

And this video is about the Just Dance App - now available for iOS and Android for free! Get your own coupon code on www.easysurvey.org and enjoy your dancing sessions!

[@WNYmathGuy]

Sir Brokoli I thought the URL was clip-board-monkey.com

[@HuslWusl]

This video's about communism

[@WNYmathGuy]

Husl Wusl if you named an idea you didn't like without naming the idea you like most, you missed the main point.

[@HuslWusl]

Michael Rupp r/whooosh

[@LikelyToBeEatenByAGrue]

I come back to this one every once in a while when I recognize these things happening to me. It's a pretty good guide on how to spot manipulation in many forms. Thanks vihart of years past.

[@icannotchoose]

I am feeling so conflicted about buying a shirt after thus.

[@LimeyLassen]

Split the difference and steal a shirt

[@rotopenguin7357]

conflicted between choosing one color, or buying both?

[@mellowfish316]

I suddenly had the horrible idea that either color would pair well with a red baseball cap. I am so torn.

[@CatherineLu]

i'm thinking that was kind of the point, too. :O

[@Christian-ev1zu]

The main question is: What should we do with the people who don't buy shirts, that look down on us, hate us and want to ruin everything!

[@Fstop313]

damn. that got deep real quick

[@robertnett9793]

Came for snakes, stayed for deep philosphical thoughts...

[@charliedulol]

facts at this point.

[@benjaminmiller3620]

I mean... This IS ViHart after all.

[@OIeka]

What did you expect

[@thealsoperson2372]

This video is just giving me flashbacks to so many different online communities.

[@aMulliganStew]

The Also Person I was reminded of my time with the KZbin atheists.

[@vkflake8086]

Step one was innocent enough.. But then, by step seven.. *_Benevolent Dictatorship_*

[@prestonang8216]

“But im a professional person with a FACE” But is ur face a triangle? :P

[@whatno5090]

Professional face person

[@microwavedkoolaid9193]

Cosmetologist

[@riripebby]

This video was doubleplusgood. I love Big Triangle.

[@calebjowens]

Want to buy a glass paperweight?

[@lazergurka-smerlin6561]

Would you like a telescreen comrade?

[@somebody-xu4mz]

I love how you both completely simplify everything to the point where you use almost baby language (plankie) and also dissect incredibly complex social and culteral issues.

[@fatsquirrel75]

I was hoping Planky was going to be on the t-shirt.

[@Dragon22999]

Maybe get people to sign something?

[@dwolfy8916]

I cracked up on "pilitically correct" XD

[@LJCRIA]

Dwolfy 11:00 Wouldn't be surprised if stumbling upon that pun snowballed this script idea.

[@slunce12]

This made feel about as optimistic as CGP Grey's "7 Ways to Maximize Misery". Well done, Vihart.

[@Walthanar]

Your start is so random and nonetheless the stream of consciousness proceeds in a direction so rational and so accurate that it's almost frightening in describing collective social interactions. I love you more every tau day.

[@eruyommo]

These are the most political maths I've seen since Pythagoras.

[@matamoney]

Absolutely destroyed the fourth wall, I love it. It's a Tau Day miracle!

[@Xartab]

Fantaustic!

[@LunaLuckyLight]

I need to watch this again, and develop countermeasures.

[@JimFortune]

Is this how the whole "flat earth" thing got started?

[@kyutora1024]

Probably. I mean, wanting to feel superior is the best explanation to all this shit that I have right now.

[@228anonymous]

No it’s how the whole “round earth” thing got start You’re part of a cult and you don’t even know it smh

[@dynamicworlds1]

Oh it gets far bigger than that. I won't name names as that would be counter productive, but I couldn't stop thinking about a certain figure going around political circles who's very much exploited the 1st 6 steps (including very successfully setting themselves up as a surrogate parental figgure)....and let's not forget what step 7 is. Well meaning people can fumble their way through this into creating a mess, but to those with an understanding of psychology and less grounded ethics, this is a roadmap to the beginnings of a cult or dangerous authoritarian political movement. Flat earthers are a fairly benign example.

[@bradboxrud7233]

this is how every major belief started, ever heard of the crusades?

[@stylis666]

Brad Boxrud Or the persecution complex. OMG They're letting GAYS get married now? Stop forcing your atheism on us!! Next thing you know they're taking prayer out of schools and it will be chaos! Cats and dogs sleeping together! Mass hysteria!! A nice little straw man that some people actually believe, unless that entire channel where people said that is just there to troll people like so people like me can feel a little better about themselves and superior! I know better on one topic so I AM better! Ha! Okay, maybe not. But isn't it all just about love? Apart from maybe the dictator who just wants power for themselves, pretty much everyone else just wants the best for the people around them because that keeps us breeding and safe. We just have very different opinions on what is actually good, or better, or what leads to our DOOM! Besides gay sex of course because our all powerful homophobic god will throw fire and brimstone on us for just thinking about it, like he always d... wait... how are there still gay people? Anyway. The way Vi 'ruined everything' was by explaining how things work and not by saying we ruin everything by making enemies of each other. Obviously everyone focused on the ingroup vs. outgroup bit because that has always been a thing that sucks us in and it's great to think about how we interact and why( hint, we (think we) need something to fight against to keep us motivated and alert and grouping helps with bonding which helps with procreation), but I noticed that she explained the 'magic trick' behind this video and behind story telling and that seemingly no one else noticed that. Now, think about this for a minute: is a magic trick less fun if you know how it works? Was this video less fun because she told you what she was doing, how she manipulates the audience? Is love less valuable if you know how it's just electrical and chemical processes in your brain? How afraid are people to lose the 'magic' if they learn how things work? Afraid enough to pretend that it's not true but your favorite wrong explanation is? Did you have an existential crisis when you learned that love is physics or that ultimately nothing matters? Did you then choose to stop, go backwards and unlearn how the magic trick works or did you try to learn more and find out that reality is actually far more beautiful in all its weirdness than any fantasy is? Anyway, that's my two cents on this video, my story that I projected on my planky. Just as all other comments are the projections from their respective authors. Now, read them again and see how much love, curiosity and how many humble attemps there are in them to show the current state of their ideas in the hopes to get feedback in order to learn more, but like Vi said, aren't we just talking to ourselves to reaffirm? I think it's both. Practice makes perfect. Ideas grow both through feedback from ourselves and from others and the more information we have the better our decisions are. I know it's a ridiculously long comment and if I actually understood it better myself then I could probably have made it a lot shorter, but I don't, yet. Then again, saying something is a short and concise way doesn't make it true nor does it show that we do understand everything it implies and being concise makes it a lot harder to find where we made mistakes and to correct them.

[@Peter]

Well done, SO well done.

[@FaliusAren]

Wait, is there no intersection of your fans and Vi's? How is this comment not drowned in replies by now?

[@Peter]

This is nice of you. ❤

[@vitormelomedeiros]

This is the most brilliant political allegory I've seen after '08.

[@papayacatproductions]

Torilovem Interwebs oh eight?! You better mean two kay sixteen or I’ll be so mad!!!!

[@vitormelomedeiros]

What great political allegory was made between 2008 and 2016? Were the events themselves the allegory? That'd be so meta.

[@Cernoise]

16>8

[@grahamashtonuk2554]

Torilovem Interwebs . Admit it. You're a tautard

[@vitormelomedeiros]

Of course I am a tauist! You are the one who is an ableist pi-ist. Pi-ist looks terrible written down, I even added a dash because piist is even worse. Oh well lol

[@GarbageGamer74]

I think this is your best video yet, which is saying a lot. It's like a classic theorem, applicable on so many levels and to so many situations.

[@thatpitter]

This is the most interesting, in-depth video I've seen on KZbin in a really long time. Thanks for being able to teach people about difficult topics in ways that make things easier to understand! I love your videos!

[@raykent3211]

A Greek said that pi should be pronounced pee. If tau (tor, not taow) is 2 pi, then we have two-pee, which sounds like toupie, the French for a spinning top, which is round and turns in circles. Deep or what? Toupie or not toupie, c'est la question. For an indecisive bladder. I'm torn.

[@Mineman1998]

Or.... 2*pee =pee pee

[@flameindigo8035]

put the piss stone down.

[@ernststravoblofeld]

Wow! Totally nailed it. Everyone should watch this one several times.

[@terryendicott2939]

"It is not political if it's a fact. Right?" --- Great ending to your metaphor. (By the way Tau is for people who can't divide by 2.)

[@adirmugrabi]

wait, what?! you are not really in math class? my life is just as it was before i knew this except that now i DO KNOW THIS!!!

[@icecubeviking]

She bakes pies in this videos.

[@icecubeviking]

r/woosh

[@FlyingDominion]

vava EXE I enjoyed that venn pie-agram. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZ6wlniBfN6hna8

[@Qieth]

adir mugrabi that's when I realised that I was the one in class!

[@iisgray]

Rest in peace, or wake in peace, whichever you're currently doing.

[@cobaltcloud64]

I remember seeing this video as it came out and thinking i was understanding it... Man, a lot has changed in three years

[@MirrorsofConsciousness]

This is perhaps your best yet - and all of your videos are fantastic. Everyone needs to watch this several times… as I will!

[@dallaswalker340]

this feels so universally true that i was able to apply it to some roleplay group drama that's been going on in my vicinity... you seem to understand humans well.

[@hellfirelordofevil]

Damn that described the mechanics of digital populism so accurately

[@azukizukisan]

leave out the part about planky and it's dead-on for pre-internet culty groupthink, too!

[@Mortegris]

I know this isn't really connected except for me, but step 6 applies to how my family views homosexuality. They said to me there are lots of people who pretend to be gay for sympathy. This is crazy insightful, and it really does apply to everything @_@ Great video.

[@satibel]

Thing is there are people that pretend to be gay for sympathy, and there's also a lot of people who pretend to be straight for sympathy too. Trust me I'm an easily dismissable comment from someone you never met and probably won't talk to again, or maybe exchange a few extra lines of text if you reply. I'm getting too meta I should go to sleep.

[@Mortegris]

Thanks for that, relatable-fellow-human. I appreciate your insight, and I'm sure there are people who do that as you say. It was just the way they said it made it sound like it was a much LARGER sub-set. Sleep is good.

[@satibel]

I don't know your parents but you can probably argue (put forth counter arguments) when you disagree with them, they may be your parents and older than you but they are still humans, they don't know everything. Unless they are really stubborn, if you have good points, they probably would accept them.

[@Mortegris]

Yeah, they said it a little while ago so I don't know if they've changed their minds, but they're like... 50/50 stubborn ratio? Thanks for the advice, random human.

[@zenithquasar9623]

Okay, I did not think you were literally in your algebra class, but I have thought, many times, that you might have really felt that way in your maths classes lol. Like, rather than a character, I thought you were genuinely sharing your thoughts. Personal looking channels like yours, I assume what is told is somewhat authentic and personal experience vs manufactured character. Maybe I am really naive lol.

[@MrLowbob]

Okay, I've watched it 3 times now... I feel like I got it and also feel like I still missed a lot of it. The 3 most important questions I got now are: 1. which of my own peer groups are somewhere into these 7 steps? 2. what could we do, to break a peer group which is already kind of deep into these 7 steps? and 3. how to best defend yourself against falling for such things?

[@johnharvey5412]

"I'm so glad this is about every movement except the ones I'm a part of" - Everybody in this comment section

[@pluspiping]

"this couldn't POSSIBLY be about progressive politics, though", say the progressives in the comments section. Then they go back to their other social media pages... where 'progressive' blogs post screencaps from Obviously Satire blogs, frame them as real, and fan the flames of outrage (while mentioning "by the way, buy this stuff from our sponsors, and remember that voting is pointless!") Yes. Your Group has cult dynamics that do this too. Watch for it.

[@xhantTheFirst]

@@pluspiping Clearly this was not charged at all :^)

[@itismethatguy]

xD and that applies to some types of comments which are against that too. Except of course me cuz im good and likable and cool but unnoticed because if people notice me they wouldn’t get sympathy or money

[@brightonbetoit463]

Excuse me?? Step 5?? Did you think I would miss that? Cause I almost did. Dont suspend your disbelief too much, kids!

[@Atabi55]

Brighton Betoit ViHaRt sAiD 5 oN ThE 6tH sTEp omG !!1!1!!11!1!!one1!!

[@brightonbetoit463]

Ata Güler fair enough.

[@Halokon]

Fake views, only the failing Brighton Betoit thinks she said 5 when she was on 6. The real people (TAU) know better. SAD. What about when the Pi people are wrong? What's your answer for that?

[@brightonbetoit463]

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[@Halokon]

Nick Jonas once baked a tau and he binned it without even thinking. He's a monster, and his Pi is hollow.

[@danieltaber4924]

Anyone else bugged by the hole in the center of her notebook?

[@matthiasburger2315]

Daniel Taber hat to rewatch the video for that. Yes, that is really creepy. Looks as if she had hammered a nail through it...

[@AxiomPenguin]

Came to the comments for this

[@johnhyde]

might it be from when she had the foot spiral?

[@danieltaber4924]

That... makes sense, actually.

[@arfyness]

No, just distracted wondering which video it came from.

[@sporepics]

"it might be hard to find people who love you if you hurt others to get what you want." Wow, I wish this was true.

[@lyrablack8621]

Hmmm I agree sort of (that it's not true). In one sense, people who are more likely to love you are also the ones who are more likely to get hurt by you (citation: am sociopath :p). It's also not hard to get a following of adoring fans when everyone else is always labeled the enemy; that being said, I would consider neither of these forms of love to be anything particularly intimate, and in fact fall more along the lines of convenient untruths people tell themselves to justify actions. I do think it's incredibly hard to find intimate, long-term love when you foster an environment too cold to facilitate the warmth of mushy affections.

[@MsJaneEHawkins]

WOW! Saved to my best loved playlist, now I’m going to share with everyone who might listen. This is amazing on so many levels that I hope it goes massively viral.

[@seijiextra8789]

Well... that got dark *Fast*

[@Pfhorrest]

It never even occurred to me to consider the non-unsuspended-disbelief view of your videos (e.g. to think that you actually hated pi), and now realizing that some people might actually view things that way suddenly sheds light on possible origins of a lot of internet controversies. That is, I'm suddenly wondering if a reason why some people so vehemently hate some other people online is because they're seeing a fictional wrapper added to their opinions for the sake of art or entertainment as their real self. Sort of like Poe's Law, maybe. Some people are sarcastically saying absurdly over-the-top things as a rhetorical device, but other people don't get the sarcasm and think it's just an honest assertion of an absurd extremist view. And then people in the same camp as those people do the same thing but with the views reversed, and now you have a flamewar between two groups both attacking the sarcastic rhetorical strawmen of the other side and not actually engaging with each other.

[@drelthian1114]

Yeah, there was one KZbinr I was watching, and over time the community became too toxic for me. Watching this video, I'm starting to realize why. They followed these steps nearly to a tee, and it was already a bit too late when they tried to stop it.

[@marksmod]

this is not limited to "other people online"

[@kagitsune]

Also trolls looking for a rise out of people. It's now considered "cool and edgy" to be hateful.

[@rai_l]

"Non-unsuspended disbelief" that thing's like 70% affixes at this point lol

[@Mad.E]

Yes, very well put! But I also think that especially in case of youtubers we often enough tend to blame the youtuber's audience or the creator themself simply depending on whether we do or don't like them, you know? When we like the youtuber it's obvious to us that it's not her fault that some people misunderstand her art. But when we look at youtubers that have a worse reputation, suddenly they're responsible for every possible interpretation of what they say.

[@15schaa]

6:36 Mathematically correct, I suppose.

[@omeragam8628]

you forgot the most important step: convince *yourself* of everything , thus becoming part of the cult yourself and removing the last week point in the cult.

[@kentslocum]

My favorite manufactured controversy is Qwerty versus Dvorak keyboard layouts.

[@valirionsaphris]

Yay! New vihart video!

[@fluff926]

Yay! ViHeart content!

[@Frikiman_H]

Also known as: how to turn an inside joke into a how-to of group behavior and politics.

[@abhishekchavan51]

Snakes 🐍

[@armelfrancois7009]

this comment MUST get the most likes

[@thomasboys7216]

Snakesnakesnakesnake

[@abhishekchavan51]

Thomas Boys 🐍🐍 vihart💙

[@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself]

There needs to be a sneksneksneksneksneksnek shirt.

[@starrychloe]

Don't tread on me, yo.

[@Ylurple]

Vi, your videos are always so amazing and intriguing that you have one of the very few channels where I never can multitask with other windows while watching. I always fullscreen your videos and sit attentively, since they're so good.

[@ruizmanuel69]

Wait a second... it took me this long to realize Vihart tells her stories in second person?

[@austinbryan6759]

Oh shit she does. That's wack but dope

[@jasoniyu]

Happy Tau day! :)

[@isabelledew6474]

6.28.2018! -well, in england, its 28.06.2018, but, who cares when you have MATHS?-

[@Yotanido]

2018-06-28 with an ISO 8601 date. Let's just ignore the year and call it 06-28.

[@elena4256]

Is this a,,,,, METAPHOR???

[@only20frickinletters]

But what's the meta for?

[@Zolbat]

17inchcorkscrew could be many things (the whole thing kind of our zeitgeist). Some manifestations of feminism maybe, or the cultural appropriation thing etc.

[@Graemyr]

That's the beauty of it, eh? My mind immediately jumped to xenophobia/the acolytes of Trump. The people who we perceive as doing harm are the ones we'll ascribe this cult mentality to. It's up to us to reflect on our own beliefs/actions to determine which cults we ourselves have fallen prey to!

[@justinwhite2725]

Graemyr Interesting - it seems to me that the metaphor perfectly describes intersectionalism and identity politics - especially the part 4 about making the group feel like they are hated (IE victims) even when nothing could be further from the truth.

[@justinwhite2725]

OTOH now that I got to #6 it sounds like radical Islam. Sounds to me like this analogy fits for pretty much any radical ideology.

[@samrel7746]

I don't think you broke the fourth wall. I think you actually showed us that we are within the four walls of the narrative.

[@unblorbosyourshows9635]

This is an amazing comment, holy shit

[@Nyzackon]

+

[@KccArt]

As someone who is in a class about the study of genocide, this isn't far off of how to start a genocide, and is similar to the steps Hitler himself took. So that's cool.

[@amys3168]

I’m glad you brought the mood up at the end. I was working on crying, screaming, and sinking into a deep dark place...

[@onerandomnerdygirl2306]

You’re videos are some of my favorite suspended disbelief sessions I ever have. Also serpent-agram still decorates my college notes sometimes ❤️

[@Blackmark52]

The Pi and Tau controversy aside, this is a very good analysis of how political/religious factions and demogoguery work.

[@DancingRain]

Bravo! May I drop something in the suggestion box? The Bowl and the Laser Bat (the jazzy version) on a T-shirt.

[@MissingRaptor]

This video is so good it gives me chills and plenty to think about. Thanks Vihart!

[@maesmattias]

This is so applicable to like any opposite opinion groups. Loved this. I know this a video from years ago but still found the need to post this. Thx Vi Hart.

[@markoneill2447]

This is media literacy.

[@kalimer0968]

Yes! That's very well put. Had it at the tip of my tongue, but couldn't quite get there.

[@FellshardYT]

If your first reaction to this video is, "See, that's what does! I knew they were bad!"; may I suggest you re-watch, this time examining your own thoughts, motives, and perspective to see if you yourself aren't infected with the same disease? See how similar that sounds to what you just accused of?

[@merepseu]

I tried but all the actual murders they'd been doing kind of skewed it all over again.

[@FellshardYT]

Does a group do murders? Is a group responsible?

[@AvalonisHere]

Fellshard If a group has come together under their shared interest in murder, then I'd say signs point to yes.

[@FellshardYT]

Now find me such a group, and show me that their intent and interest is indeed murder. Ascribing motives and intents to someone that does not hold them is itself part and parcel of what Vihart is speaking of.

[@SuperCaleb283]

The Klan? Can we agree that the Klan is legitimately interested in murdering/enslaving non-whites? Nazis wanting to eradicate the Jewish people, maybe? Surely we can generally agree on those.

[@2ndviolin]

KZbin does channel you to videos that confirm your existing belief. Luckily, I am have the right opinions already.

[@j.redhead]

oh that's good to-- wait a minute

[@starrychloe]

Lucky you. I get both Jordan Peterson and Antifasciste videos. Maybe I'm a special snowflake?

[@conoroneill8067]

Same. But I actively had to work for months to show me that, because I deliberately wanted it to show me videos that were outside my echo chamber. Even then, I feel like it still preferences left-wing channels (my actual beliefs).

[@Fassle]

guys, it's a step 4

[@1noxaj]

Thank you for this masterfully crafted plan. I will share this plan with my friend, and watch as he conquers KZbin one step at a time.

[@AddilynneLastname]

this is great allegory, and at a time when we really need it, thanks

[@MagicPigeon]

10:50 First you tell me tau is better than pi and now that six doesn't really exist???? #Justice4Six

[@siyeons_arms]

So my school celebrates pi day and not tau day? Wow ok whatever

[@ieatgarbage8771]

i fangirl cos i can girl yeah, it really suck for people who like tau, with schools even pushing pi.

[@aether8344]

I’m not even in school for tau day. Isn’t it summer vacation for you too?

[@lvodniza]

Aethermations I’m pretty sure no one is in school lol

[@malhalewell6846]

Those two-faced bastards

[@BlueTissue]

Same

[@mads_in_zero]

Me: Man, this is a good Vi video Video: Starts getting all metaphor-y about biases ingrained by fiction Me: Heck yes!

[@robertabugelis3962]

As always, I really enjoyed your video. I have to rewatch this with a specific topic to use as an analogy later; you had me bounching many different ideas back and forth while watching. Fourth wall breaking was admittedly weird, but you used it very well. Keep up the good work Vi. Happy (Ta...)Pi day

[@asimplecadence]

I have watched your videos for a *very* long time and I *very much* appreciate you taking the time to make this video. It is very much needed.

[@dalek2538]

#CircleConstantsCanCoexist

[@jeremy3046]

Ew no, let's not teach teach redundant things to already-confused geometry students.

[@Arnaz87]

NO!

[@binaryblackhole8666]

Follow that line of reasoning and the rest of us are going to have to learn imperial in addition to metric.

[@dalek2538]

I never said that both constants had to be taught, and even if they were, one can be easily converted to the other, unlike the imperial and metric systems.

[@xenathcytrin202]

Moderates, in choosing to take both or neither side, will always be hated by everyone not also a moderate. In a war one of the worst things you can do is stay neutral, because if you reject both sides then the only outcome in which you win is if both sides destroy each other to a degree that the winner is either you or does not have the strength to exact revenge against you, which is rather unlikely. In almost all cases one side will win and, whichever one does, they will punish you for not helping them just as severely as if you had fought against them. It reminds me of the prisoner's dilemma, where the optimal solution for both parties in long term is to do one thing, but in the short term doing that thing will always lead to a worse outcome.

[@Wander4P]

This is wonderful. I love how the hole is still in the notebook.

[@heyandy889]

The shirt actually exists? So ... I'm totally lost on the intended message of the shirt. Is it "Ha ha I am wearing this shirt as an ironic comment on the inescapable cross-temporal Ouija board we call social media as a driving factor of delusional beliefs about the physical world." Or is it "I like tau?" Because the message from the video I got was the former, but it seems like the t-shirt says the latter.

[@tori3881]

its both kinda

[@toriknorth3324]

You might think it's one of those two possible messages, but secretly the shirts are a plot by Vi to carry out steps 1-3 in the video >:D

[@danilooliveira6580]

that all depends on how seriously you take it. for me its just a funny and really cool looking shirt about a math community joke. but for some it may be the beginning of a cult sold by social media algorithm.

[@johnchessant3012]

8:30 "I will make you non-convex!! RAAAH" (threatening to take a bite out of him lol)

[@dman375]

EVERYONE should see this!!! Outstanding breakdown of a complicated and important topic!

[@MrDowntemp0]

10:49 Step 5 ? Vi has gone to the other side. Numbers are meaningless and no-longer real!

[@MatthijsvanDuin]

Can't we just skip to the last step? Hail overlord Vihart! Your legion awaits your command!

[@JustinY.]

Snakes? Snakes??? SNAAAKKEEES!

[@sprix1055]

justin, why

[@DESMal]

SNEEEEEEEEEKSSSSSS

[@yobaafett]

Who are you?

[@AlvinBalvin321]

Justin Y. U seem fimiliar

[@zachjohnson3370]

Justin Y. I have found u.

[@Piper_____]

Wow, I've had this thought before, but I just had it again and I'm remembering to comment it, I'm really impressed that you have both the artistic skills to create these videos, and also the mathematical knowledge and understanding to use those videos to convey things about complicated topics in a way that's simple to understand without complex context. Both that knowledge, and those skills take a lot of time to build up, and so having built both up to this degree is really impressive! It's really cool that you can do that. :)

[@Piper_____]

And also the intuition/knowledge about psychology (either way, know-how) to transform that information into a compelling narrative, through/aided by compelling visual aids. (aides?)

[@isaaaaaaaa6340]

I was so interested in this so I’m sad she stopped posting… she learned me most of my fun math facts :)

[@CalifornianMapping]

Darn it, she actually ruined everything

[@shieldkirby]

10:51 5 = 6 confirmed truth

[@bethanjihen]

i wasn't the only one, phew

[@johnnotownsend6958]

It really broke my suspension of disbelief

[@thicc_apple4977]

i clicked as FAST as i could

[@BacadoTheSkoggy]

_i came as soon as i heard_

[@williamturner6192]

Plainly dragged me here, run.

[@ruthkinyon4665]

I feel like I could watch this 1000 times and each time focus on a different senario that this applies to cause it applies to so much

[@EnHatchEss]

I do not leave comments anywhere, however this was genius. Thank you for making the world ever so slightly better via your presence and output.