Vijay Prashad: America’s Finger-Wagging Puts Global South in Danger | Endgame

Vijay Prashad-Indian historian, journalist, award-winning author, and Executive Director of Tricontinental: Institute for Social Research-talks about how history can teach us about humanity.
In this conversation:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:16 - What Hooked Vijay Into Writing
00:17:13 - Everlasting Nakba, Zionism, Resolution
00:40:52 - Ukraine-Palestine Double Standard
00:53:38 - Multipolarity, US' Democracy, De-dollarization
01:18:29 - Global South Leadership
01:39:11 - Africa: Future Economic Giant?
This is the final part of The Shifting World Order Series. Recorded on December 12, 2023.
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About the host:
Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur, educator, and currently a visiting scholar at The Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (APARC), Stanford University. Gita is also just appointed as an Honorary Professor of Politics and International Relations in the School of Politics and International Relations, University of Nottingham, UK.
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[@user-eb4vr1zr8x]

Listening to Vijay Prashad is such a wonderful and interesting experience. His knowledge, his wisdom and warm qualities as human being makes him a noble giant that let us to stand on his shoulder to see the real world from a different perspective. 🙏

[@syedahnaqvi1517]

Warm regards from Karachi , Pakistan

[@rickyg1441]

i love listening to Vijay Prashad

[@leechangming700]

Man with wisdom. Reallty fortunate to have very respectful and benovelent parents.

[@vazyachocoorchidas6246]

Oh, finally THE Vijay Prashad is on the show! Thank you for this, Pak Gita. It’s super insightful 🤩

[@jeankern2646]

The story of the birthday presents is amazing. Great parents. ❤

[@gost7213]

VP is super brilliant, insightful, super memories, always fighting for humanity…..👍💪👏

[@johnpereztwo6059]

We love vijay. Insightful . fresh truthful .intelectual. Courageous . interesting .

[@tunggulganggasdanisworo8943]

kita butuh sains komunikator seperti pak gita ditengah potensi ancaman erosi demokrasi, so please pak gita terus istiqomah mengambil peran itu agar arus intelektualitas bisa terus mengalir ke masyarakat

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[@AnnieT369]

Love this man - Vijay Prasad.

[@717bmohamed]

This is my first exposure to dr prasad. Love it...very insightful. Will try to find and read his books. Love his parents especially his mother...imagine sharing birthday presents with others..new way of thinking

[@tejbirring9673]

Wasn't expecting Vijay Prashad as guest on this channel. Excellent!

[@breezeanonymous6034]

A Bangla 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kamariahahmad727]

Pak, dont interupt him. Let him talk freely. After he end then you talk.

[@breezeanonymous6034]

@@kamariahahmad727 Are you Banglafrican?

[@user-in5sh5fg3s]

Thank you to Dr Vijay Prasad....must have been brought up by a noble mother...lots of kindness and humanity....may God bless you always

[@tidjaniassia7260]

Love that Lumumba pictur behind sir V.🎉

[@mansooraqureshi2696]

Love to listen to Vijay Prashad.

[@stevenng5238]

It's the most fascinating 110 minutes that I have ever spent on KZbin. Thank you, Pak Gita and VP, for giving me the best gift for the Chinese Lunar New Year!

[@robrosea4373]

Thank you Mr Gita for bringing out Dr Prashad, it’s deep and Insightful approach on the US proxy conflicts around the world and on the Washington bullets given to apartheid state of Israel to annihilate and violate the rights of Palestinian people. thank you Dr Pashad for amazingly sharing you childhood that mostly contributes and shapes your world views and makes you what you are today. It’s a pleasure to listen to you.

[@louisgaudreau1277]

Love to listen to anything from VIJAY. From Canada ❤

[@paramartayogi7696]

Vijay Prashad adalah salah satu seorang komunis yg prominen di Era ini pak, mantap skali konten ini, mengenal dunia dari beragam perspektif

[@nairravi]

Excellent interview 👏 👌 👍

[@madilauliaaa589]

wow this suprice me ,gita Wiryawan a preacher of capitalism, invited Vijay prasad one of the best marxist thinker in our current time.

[@muhamadnasrulahfajri9035]

Pak Gita bisa ngobrol asik gini sama Vijay Prashad. Sering-sering undang orang kiri, Pak. 😁

[@mariaannainditahernawati7132]

beda lagi kalo kata org india

[@IsukSore]

​@@mariaannainditahernawati7132 Kenapa emang?

[@bluemarlin9110]

Honestly, I do not quite understand what Mr Gita is saying. It feels almost like spaghetti of words but I certainly appreciate what Vijay is saying.

[@infoseputaronepiece]

Thank you pak Gita for delivering this wonderful conversation. I hope you can invite Prof Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappe, Rashid Khalidi, or Norman Finkelstein to explain more about the Israel-Palestine conflict 😄🙏

[@philostreet781]

Love that how the host started your interview by asking stories about the guest’s upbringing :: very informative❤

[@leoanazemi3797]

What a man we love you to make us a better human 🙏🙏🙏

[@tcpadli5375]

Vijay Prashad, thanks for the time sharing on ENDGAME. Terimakasih Pak Gita telah membawa narasumber luar biasa ke acara ini.

[@jbf5117]

As a no nothing American, thank you so much for your programming. It is wonderful to hear a different perspective on the wider world.

[@yaoliang1580]

The American national n foreign policy is to use whatever means to maintain n expand its world dominance n their endless wars of aggression around the world are cleverly disguise by their powerful media as defending national security, freedom n democracy. Hope you are not one of those brainwashed victims of your corrupt leaders fake news propaganda

[@janicetone1624]

Fellow No Nothing American here = we are kept STUPID on purpose !!!

[@asmaburney2028]

Great conversation

[@wingsyc]

Great session. I can listen for hours. Vijay's grasp of the global scenes is immense. Thanks Vijay and Pak Gita.

[@ikanarwidya9892]

Suka banget sama obrolan Pak Gita kali ini dengan Vijay Prashad. Mengkritisi Global North yang sering impose perspektif dan 'resepnya' ke Global South. Excellent!

[@tyttyywt]

I can listen to Vijay for hours. It would be great if you guys could do this more, expanding on major issues. Many thanks!💪💪💪👍👍👍

[@surrealistidealist]

Greetings from Philadelphia! 🇺🇸 Your channel is a treasure to humanity! Thank you!!! 🙏

[@LuckyvillageLife]

Yoo Mamarika y'all need Boorger n Starkbark, y'all gonna be Dolan Trump

[@AWSOM817]

@@LuckyvillageLifeshut up your idiotic trap, you no better than those maniac you called out.

[@adejaya1692]

Indonesian observers often refer to the US's democracy as if it's the barometer.

[@mady1605]

Wow.. i really like Vijay prespectives how he sees the world problem.

[@arturallay8116]

VJ, one of the best

[@hanipamaidin7945]

Interesting conversation Pak Gita. Always respect Dr Vijay Prasad. Bravo!

[@fedinvestment]

Man of great wisdom

[@ekaputrat]

Wow... glad to see that you bring him to your show! Amazing.

[@f0xylady100]

What a wonderful interview ❤

[@pedroghirotti]

Always a great pleasure to listen a profound conversation with Vijay. Thank you from Brazil!

[@wenderis]

Among the best episodes of this podcast. Fascinating how in in just less than 2 hours, you guys can cover so much ground. I love how Vijay choose his words to provoke you to search more, to be curious, to test him.

[@kaimanyu586]

I think the Indonesian guy has a very Western perspective on the world. He has a lot to learn.. At least he is open minded enough to let himself be educated by a wise man like Vijay.

[@wenderis]

@@kaimanyu586 i wouldn't use the word 'western', but yes i know what you mean and you're right. That makes it even more laudable and frankly very surprising to see Vijay in his podcast.

[@JjkJjk-or9kc]

​@@kaimanyu586but you love western music you love western platforms like KZbin which master xi has banned hypocrite

[@JjkJjk-or9kc]

​@@wenderisnah simping for china isn't intellect so is not being democratic

[@yougetaspear7799]

Thank you 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@davidlaw9686]

The world needs people like you to reason with the truth.

[@silverbeernuts4229]

Mr. Prashad is the voice of Asia. Amazing person. I'm so glad he has such great relationships throughout Asia.

[@rqnq2587]

Great genuine conversation of civilized humans, thank you

[@AvantAveGarde]

brilliant discussion

[@randallwong5561]

Vijay's knowledge & experience is simply encyclopaedic! 😲

[@supriadiramlan5545]

wew vijay prashad di interview lho mantep

[@nattyswede]

This channel is growing on me... Good interview technique Pak Gita - you allow your guests to express themselves without interruption. Prashad is a new acquaintance for me. I look forward to your next guest. Terimah kasih, ya? 🙏

[@isalutfi]

*Vijay Prashad,* Indian Historian, Journalist, Award-Winning Author, and Executive Director of Tricontinental (Institute for Social Research) *What Hooked Vijay Into Writing?* 00:00 - Intro 02:35 - Environmental, cultural, family background, influence, and values⭐ _“The past grips you in Asia … We haven’t had a complete break from some of the best of our traditions and some of the worsts.”_ _“I grew up in the household of debate (and discussion).”_ _“You really give something to somebody when you actually might want it, and that’s a real gift.”_ 09:37 - Terrors are what gave him inspiration to tell the stories of the world so that other young people can read and think seriously about what goes on in the world. 15:00 - The job of journalists, writers, and intellectuals is to talk about inconvenient truths in a way that doesn’t demoralize people.🔥 _“I think it's a terrible piece of advice to tell young people to be an intellectual you should be dispassionate. No! You should be deeply moved by things in the world, but don't let your emotions create the story. Try to put your emotions into a theory.”_ 📎 Vijay’s Message : Try to understand why it happens from history and try our best to create a world further from that. *Everlasting Nakba, Zionism, Resolution* 17:57 - Brief History 19:55 - Current State 20:53 - Global Response : Humanity Over Religion _“It's the brazenness of the violence the scale of the violence that has really upset tens if not hundreds of millions of people around the planet.”_ _“Anti-Semitism is a European problem. It's not an Asian, Arab, African, Latin (problem). It's a European problem. Europe doesn't want to face up to its own problem. Now, they are using that to attack critics of Israel. I mean, why would you call me an anti-semite? I don't have any history of anti-Semitism.”_ 25:25 - Ideological Debate : Has Zionism Evolved? _“The problem is this : Zionism has become this calcified form of ethno-religious nationalism.”_ 30:29 - Lessons for the rest of the world _“That (historical) complexity cannot afford an ethnic-religious State.”_ _“We (Asians) are a complicated ancient part of the world. We cannot afford some of these European fantasies of one people, one language, one religion, one this, one that.”_ 32:10 - Hope for Resolution • [33:33] Bitter resolution journey • [38:59] Vijay Prashad : _There's two things about war zones that people don't get. They see the death, but what they don't get is the banality of the war zone the noise is incredible … and secondly what has become banal is the dust, the debris, the amount of of toxic material._ • [40:12] Vijay Prashad : _I don't know what the Palestinians are supposed to do frankly._ *Ukraine-Palestine Double Standard* 42:53 - Juxtaposing Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine : It’s not the same 44:58 - The US’ position towards Ukraine and Taiwan is a way to weaken the economy of China. In other words, the US-China duel is an economic contestation, not an ideological one. • [47:13] First threat : Eurasian integration is a direct threat to US multinational corporations and ruling elites. • [52:11] Second threat : ‘The New Cold War’ *US Is Not Everything* 54:06 - US’ Multipolarization⭐ _“There’s nothing special about the United States.”_ 58:41 - US’ Democracy _“Democracy is a process, not a system.”_ _“Democracy doesn't mature when you get the most expensive voting system. Democracy is in the head it's not in the machine!”_ 1:00:57 - Gita Wirjawan’s idea of democracy 🔗 More about this : kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZakcpqCfcqkaa8 1:01:23 - US’ & allies’ military spending and its relationship with global security & safety 📌 75% of global military spending in 2021 was spent by the NATO countries; and 12% by China. 💡 Recalling Jeffrey Sach’s Article : www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/h29g9k7l7fymxp39yhzwxc5f72ancr _“China never made overseas transoceanic empires”_ and _“the United States is the least multilateral country among all major economies.”_ _“The irony is that since 1980 the US has been in at least 15 overseas wars of choice (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Panama, Serbia, Syria, and Yemen just to name a few), while China has been in none, and Russia only in one (Syria) beyond the former Soviet Union. The US has military bases in 85 countries, China in 3, and Russia in 1 (Syria) beyond the former Soviet Union.”_ ✔️ Fact Check : According to MIP, the US has undertaken almost 400 military interventions since 1776, with half of these operations undertaken between 1950 and 2019. Over 25% of them have occurred in the post-Cold War period. Source : journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/00220027221117546?icid=int.sj-full-text.similar-articles.9 1:06:14 - Vijay Prashad : Don’t look at a constitution to define a country; look at the budget!🔥 1:08:24 - Gita Wirjawan challenges Vijay’s data 1:10:24 - Military Keynesianism⭐ 1:13:23 - Dollar Seniority & De-dollarization _“There's no good public policy right now on the table to take us to a ‘multi-polar economic system’ … We don't have the boat yet, you know. We're still living on a sinking ship called the dollar.”_ *Global South* 1:18:29 - #GitaWirjawanLecture : Unequal distribution of global liquidity 1:19:48 - 1/3 of the global liquidity is ‘frozen’ in tax havens 1:23:57 - Vijay Prashad : (Global South) just don't have a project that's uniting them but I think it's going to appear! 1:24:12 - Lacking intellectual capacity and vision in our leadership🔥 _“Where are the Rajaratnam of today? … Where is the Lal Jayawardena of today?”_ 1:30:59 - Economic sovereignty : Sign of lacking ambition in our leadership 1:32:43 - Corruption is not the problem, it’s a symptom of the problem 📚 Book mentioned : The Myth of the Lazy Native Syed Hussein Alatas, 1977 *Africa : Future Economic Giant?* 1:40:11 - Vijay Prashad : _Attitude of treating Africa as a resource has not really gone away._ 1:41:36 - Mali story • [1:48:05] Vijay Prashad : _You can't change the world unless you have a broad humanistic perspective toward the world._ 💡 Recalling the Abraham and Constand Viljoen twin brother story on how they prevented the outbreak of armed violence by disaffected white South Africans prior to post-apartheid general elections. thecorrespondent.com/668/science-shows-the-remedy-for-hatred-and-prejudice-is-as-simple-as-it-is-revolutionary-contact-with-our-enemies sgpp.me/eps176notes

[@nattyswede]

A very useful summary - great work! Thank you 🙏

[@dharmawiguna3232]

COMRADE VIJAY PRASHAD !!!

[@nether_animation]

Thank you, Pak Gita. I really enjoyed it.

[@gwirjawan]

Glad to hear that 🙏

[@douglashobden]

Did not know of Vijay Prashad until today. Fascinating speaker.

[@bambangsuprayitno3274]

sangat berbobot dan memberi pengetahuan yang sangat luas .. terima kasih pak gita dan pak vijay ..

[@ernestomontoya1447]

Vijay Prashad - thank you for sharing your personal experiences and memories, resonates. - Education doesn't start at school.

[@sambaxrock]

Mr Prashad is the GOAT ❤️🖤🤍💚

[@kail9777]

I love love love Vijay Prashad. He is my hero like Noam Chomsky and Jeffery Sachs and Professor Mearsheimer and Kishore Mahbubani.

[@SuperBaresy]

Thanks alot mr Gita for open my knowledge, my eyes.

[@gwirjawan]

Terima kasih sudah menyimak ..

[@raiutube1]

Pas Pemilu, bintanga tamunya mr Vijay Prasad..... nancep

[@mcingraww]

this just points out the critical importance for Indonesia to actively shape the future it desires to uphold, making Hilirisasi an even more pressing task than ever before. No money No say, as simple as that.

[@herbchasan9186]

Excellent show!!

[@alhaah777]

Very interesting dialogue. I am listening very attentively.

[@garukoe]

Vijay Prashad is another example of this equisite Bengalian minds. It is not just this intellectual rigour but one is also laced by this deep, unwavering passion of humanity. In my field, the arts, it is Rustom Bharucha. Also from Calcutta, an eloquent writer and theatre dramaturg who wrote some really breakthrough books on various subjects of the field. Thanks you for featuring him.

[@GlobalDrifter1000]

Don’t use the bathroom and Calcutta airport. Just saying.

[@breezeanonymous6034]

Bengali???🤣🤣🤣🤣 the dirtiest and poorest states in India. Bengali have been successful in spreading lies that they are the most educated most smart most intelligent in the world but their own lands (West Bengal and Bangladesh) have been only land of misery.

[@breezeanonymous6034]

Bengal,the misery lands

[@shawkatosman2411]

They are from Calcutta, indeed, but not Bengalis.

[@breezeanonymous6034]

@@shawkatosman2411 Bangla on India side and Bangla in Bangladesh are same ethnicity & race, just different religion.

[@genocidegrand2057]

thats a great talk!

[@garfield2742]

Ah mantab pak Gita bawa Vijay Prashad.

[@wal9745]

Great talk!!

[@celeryzx2468]

Excellent talk!

[@MrLchao]

Great talk, enjoyed it.

[@hilmanriyadhi7183]

terbaik......

[@fitriynikarman8103]

I really enjpy the conversation, Thank you pak gitaaa!!! One of the best podcasttt I have.

[@NotesfromtheFuturesPast]

great interview

[@timboslyce1290]

Thanks!

[@gwirjawan]

Thanks for your support!

[@chavap5398]

Excellent! “Yasher Koach!” Bravo!

[@TanyaCPNS]

Mantep bener. Daging semua ini. Bahasanya juga mudah dipahami.

[@yanshanwei6764]

Very interesting subjects Good point of view

[@avvastore551]

The greatest discust to listen

[@vicwijaya]

Wow.. Vijay.. Great Source, Mr Gita.. Alexander Mercouris please.. He a very recources source for geopolitics..

[@iqbaldwimaulana9823]

Mantaaap ❤❤❤

[@uchitnaing2992]

Thank you Excellence Wise gentlemen sir both of you not only share the global big picture but also showed how to view the universe with the kind n noble heart.We appreciate really U R Great.

[@dionkristiancherazpardede9088]

lu bayangin komunis bisa nimbrung di podcast mantan menteri perdagangannya SBY. tapi gokss, episode terbaik inimah.

[@rya9320]

Very interesting. Worth a listen on 1x speed

[@philostreet781]

Great way to do with birthday gifts! Way to teach the genuine way of gift giving❤ 7:25

[@bordiranku8982]

sir please do much often seriel of international emminent people such Mr. Vijay on this channel, it challenge more us as Indonesian to be part of thos Global village.

[@gunsitorus9364]

Asli nnton ini ga kerasa dah 1 jam 49 menit. thank u pak gita udh menghadirkan bintang tamu dan obrolan yg sangat menggugah wawasan 🙏

[@gwirjawan]

Terima kasih sudah menyimak. Silahkan dibagikan ke rekan2 bila berkenan

[@danielduron0622]

Yo Vijay! I love hearing you speak on different shows. I didn’t know you were a Pomona College alum!!! I went to Pitzer College.

[@hendrika2876]

Another great video pak Gita!

[@PipoHargiyanto]

Mantap 👍🏻

[@maquinadesoldarautomatizac9013]

very intelligent

[@erithecure2123]

16:11 *noted

[@sguntarto]

In a thought-provoking discussion, Vijay Prashad challenges the perceived superiority of the United States, questioning why nations like Indonesia should defer to its leadership. He argues that democracy transcends mere voting systems, emphasizing the need to address colonial mentalities that underpin power dynamics. Prashad reflects on the grim realities of war zones, highlighting the banality and brutality often overlooked amidst the chaos. He critiques the global community's double standards in responding to conflicts, particularly noting the disproportionate attention given to Gaza compared to other regions like Ukraine. Prashad delves into geopolitical dynamics, analyzing the shift in global power dynamics and the opposition to emerging powers like China, suggesting a reevaluation of entrenched structures and ideologies.

[@TacticalMayo]

Tankie

[@rohand03]

Finally a worthy person interviewed

[@AndriSaputro-ed4bd]

Untuk menang segala cara kami lakukan....

[@suryandariglory]

❤❤❤❤

[@AlphaCookies]

You should invite Carl Zha, he is in Bali now.. lebih murah tiket sekaligus jalan2 😂

[@Free_Falastin2024]

24:25 100%

[@AFlyingCookieLOL]

❤

[@NotesfromtheFuturesPast]

I'd love to see an interview with the speaker, Shahid Bolsen from the Middle Nation channel.

[@rya9320]

That's exactly what I was thinking Sr. 😃

[@greendesertbedouin]

Also, a discussion between Vijay and Shahid would be interesting

[@anjaseidl4003]

A lot to learn from this man. Your father is a wise man. How about "politics" there, in your country. What does it look like?

[@heidhymarbangun2498]

Thank you for this!

[@gudanggaram8468]

Menyala 🔥🔥🔥