Viking Tactics Triple Threat Rifle Drill

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The Triple Threat is designed to really dial in on CQB-type shooting. It requires a great mix of both speed and accuracy. I recommend starting this one at about 5 yards. If you're routinely making all of your shots on this one, it's time to speed up!

[@VikingTactics]

Best recommendation I have would be to use bullseye targets to alleviate the confusion between shooting drills for skill development and tactical scenarios. This will hopefully alleviate any “training scar” issues.

[@VikingTactics]

@TheOperator150 I always run with the front sight up when using a red dot reflex type sight. I do this to help me quickly transition if need be to irons, using the front sight and the aperture of the scope as a rear sight. The other reason is to help eliminate parallax when shooting long range in crazy positions. I do not leave the sight up when using my Leupold scopes, I fold it down. I use the Troy folding BUIS. Kyle

[@boeydafunk3324]

I have been going back through old drills, and didnt realize this was Dan Brokos years ago. You sometimes see these videos and focus on one person, not realizing the other is a bad ass too.

[@VikingTactics]

Midwestgrunt Best BZO is 50 Yards, this works great out to 200. Up close like this drill you will have to hold over and be aware of the offset. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@JAndersonIV The problems we see involve folks double tapping and not driving their wpn b/w tgts. This is a shooting drill, not a scenario. it teaches folks to quickly drive from tgt to tgt and lead with their eyes. It also teaches them to shoot more than 2 rds into the chest IOT break the double tap or hammer “Training Scar”. It'll also help you to open your field of view & not get sucked into just looking thru ur sights while attempting to acquire a target quickly. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@survivalhub DVD’s should be out in two weeks. They will be on the Viking Tactics web site then. I think the first one will be out and the 2nd will follow shortly. Would love to get back out west, just let us know if you would like to schedule. We are booking July 2011 right now. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@tdo79: All three target areas on the body are effective. Different situations require different applications of fire, just want to get guys thinking. Kyle

[@Musashiprodigy]

@VikingTactics That makes sense. Interesting choice. I'm a big fan of Aimpoints and ACOGs. Thank you for the reply.

[@datzitteezy]

Kyle I enjoyed the short conversation we had today at the NRA convention. I was the tall black guy from Winston-Salem. Thanks for the insight an I really look forward to taking one of your carbine classes. stay safe!

[@VikingTactics]

@schreier72 They are coming soon, just waiting on the production now. Should be in the next couple weeks. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@benzy2 This is actually a shooting drill, not a scenario, Although I have seen several incidents where head, or groin were required due to armor or just some poorly placed chest shots. Once again this is a drill to teach driving the gun and looking for alternate places to shoot the threat. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@Quartz91 We want the shooter to have to shoot both directions during the same drill. This keeps it equal to both sides. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@TheSafetysoff It depends on the distance. When I am shooting up close I tend to see more of a blurry dot this isn’t an issue because of the distance, when I shoot at distance I focus on the dot like a front sight to maintain accuracy. You should work at shifting your focus but always seeing your sights before you send a round down range. Kyle

[@Michael38117]

Its a manipulation drill, not scenario. Focusing on driving the firearm fast and accurately.

[@VikingTactics]

@John234pwns I think that makes sense if you are really close in to the threat. The goal of this drill is to get the shooter to abruptly change directions with the weapon several times. Each tactical decision will dictate what will be shot first. “Anything worth shooting is worth shooting 30 times” -Kyle Lamb

[@turdferguson9725]

@VikingTactics No, I haven't. Was the article in last years book of the AR? The one I got recently has your article about rollover prone and impact shifts. I have read your book though. I guess I'll just have to learn it in one of your classes. On that note, thanks for bringing classes to AZ, when so many others won't. And thanks for responding.

[@VikingTactics]

@Sp3ctr3117 I prefer to do it 10 yards and closer so you get the speed and accuracy, we normally score it one round out you get a zero. KL

[@ELITEHAMSTER123]

@VikingTactics Seems very similar to the El presidente drill. That drill was intended to evaluate a shooters ability, not combat simulating.

[@VikingTactics]

@shocknawefilms I use the Leupold 1-8 or an EOTech right now. Although Leupold will have a new 1-6 out soon and that will be the prime choice in my book. ADIOS Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@whippledvst I zero either at 50 or 100, depending on the carbine. Long guns I normally zero at 200 for most. At the Triple Threat distance there is almost 2 1/2 inches of hold over. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@GiacomoKnox This is a drill not a scenario so the intention is to get more driving of the gun, in a tactical situation you are correct but for a drill we have a training goal in mind. Iron sights does require more focus for sure. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@nafetshtor Guten Tag. I would use three bullseyes on each target stand to simulate the Gravity boxes on the VTAC Targets. Head, chest, pelvis with a 6 inch bull would make this a good drill. Kyle

[@Delta8559272]

@Nater245689 you have a good point but you and soo many have yet to acknowlege that THERE IS NO BODY ARMOR FOR THR HEAD OR FACE. ergo it is a softer target. the pelvis may be a bigger target but a shot to the head drops them instantly if its not a grazing shot. and again a shot to the pelvis will leave them to blead out, the 5.56 punches a really clean small hole the initial shock of the wound may knock then unconcious but they will get up and fight again.

[@TheSafetysoff]

@VikingTactics ...Thank you, that make alot of sense..

[@VikingTactics]

@Delta8559272 We put one round in the pelvis because that is the drill, simply teaching students to drive the weapon. In a confrontation we would pick the available vital area and continue to engage the threat until it is neutralized. If I had a pelvis shot I would definitely take it. You can shoot this any way you want, just remember, this is a drill not a scenario. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@notanotch1107 Good question. I have seen it both ways. If it is a new student I would probably make them shoot from the dominant eye side. I am heavily left eye dominant but continuously work to be able to use my right eye. There are plenty of tricks to making the eyes see something differently. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@datzitteezy Great talking with you as well. Looking forward to seeing you in a class. Let me know if you need anything. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

Halson Trying to get guys out of the double tap mentality. You can also do this drill with single shots all around. KL

[@atoalltacticaloperators7946]

You do make it look easy. Your slow motion replays look like most shooters avg speed. Only remedy I know of is practice

[@silvermediastudio]

@Zulu1380 Most high explosives won't detonate from a bullet impact. They require a supersonic shockwave to initiate the reaction, such as a spark-gap (with or without a booster charge) or lower-level primary charge. You can shoot bricks of C-4 all day and it won't detonate.

[@gunube]

I agree 1000% with Kyle that this is a DRILL and about learning how to drive your weapon. Personally, I've changed this drill up a bit. I do head, hips, or hips, head, then three to center body mass.....and lots of moving and communicating. Difficult, but at first we walk, then we crawl, then we run. Peace

[@Volkov556]

Love this drill, thanks Kyle!

[@DT5236]

love the backup gun holster

[@mad7206]

I like those targets , shows you what you on target rounds will be hitting

[@williamrmould]

That is a good drill! Tried it and it really helps your speed and trigger control.

[@VikingTactics]

@blackriflex39 We used paint ball for tactical training in the army, maybe a little different than actual paintball but it definitely helps to work tactics as long as you are realistic with rules of engagement.

[@LNoHandle]

I like the rules....forces the shooter to me mindful. Good training.

[@rambosperm]

great drill and i've been through muliple shooting packages and have 2 combat deployments. BUT the only problem i have with these drills is the fact that when you shoot human at this distance, or any distance, they then to drop to the ground after the first shot or two depending on how fast you are. you need to incorperate a target falling to the ground when it comes to the clean up shots, because they will not be stationary or still standiing

[@VikingTactics]

@ProfVonW We have them coming soon. Should be on the web site in the next few weeks, DVD 1 followed shortly by DVD 2. Kyle

[@silvermediastudio]

Great vid, will work this one into the rotation at our shooting club.

[@fullrearview]

I know this video is over a year old, but given the recent Aurora incident, had an armed citizen been present, he would have had to take a pelvis shot. Great drill and we will be shooting it later this month. Thanks!

[@DoktorJeep]

In the time it takes the shoot the center target, the ones on the sides will hose you. I prefer the IDF version of this drill, which would only work with "targets" that are afraid of being shot at.

[@VikingTactics]

@sforcesrcg We try to shoot from a fighting stance, the square stance does not allow for quick movement and driving the weapon as quickly. The last issue of Book of the AR-15 had an article that we wrote about the fighting stance. Thanks Kyle

[@Delta8559272]

@ijackofftoanime that HARD chest plate you are talking about is a ceramic plate made from pressed boron carbide, that is made to shater on impact and if you are running with and M1A why are you using sporter rounds... you use military steel penetrators that run hot. and yes it will stop the first bullet as it should buth if the second shot is within 6 inches of the last one the hard plate will be powder and no resistance.

[@DannyCoreRacing]

I think triple kind of stands for the three zones your shooting on a target

[@hermanpotato]

@AusJackal some drills are designed to help with your ability to manipulate a weapon or drive the gun, obviously your not going to run into too many situations where three men of exact size stand in a perfect line waiting to be shot, but doing a drill like this teaches you to drive the gun and make nice accurate shots under time/stress constraints.by your reasoning no one should shoot a rifle slow fire qual because the "enemy" wont stand still while you shoot at him from 300yd's.

[@ParrotTactical]

Only downside is a drill like this could create training scars leaving you putting more rounds on individual targets than necessary (and not moving on to engage other targets with less overall time) as well as shooting for non-kill areas like the pelvis. Even if it puts the guy on the ground, that doesn't mean he is out of the fight.

[@VikingTactics]

@AusJackal This drill was actually put together to replicate the experience one of our instructors had engaging three terrorists wearing suicide vests. Seemed to work okay for him....

[@silvermediastudio]

@highmark33 Yes. Extra style points for a double horseshoe. Long cut, of course.

[@VikingTactics]

@liveblade Absolutely, whenever you have a chance, throw in the discrimination, it will change the whole perspective of the tactical shooter. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@Musashiprodigy I prefer a sight that works, that is not always the case with the EOTech. If the EOTech works it is faster than the Aimpoint, if it doesn’t work obviously it diminishes your speed a lot. I am currently transitioning to the new Leupold 1-6. Kyle

[@slaughterhound8793]

Great drill!

[@Delta8559272]

@ijackofftoanime and P.S. most if not all military type 3 vests have provisional plates for the pelvis and groin area thus rendering the shot almost if not completely useless

[@VikingTactics]

@Red53Rider I use the Competition Electronics Pro II, however I would not recommend it, I go through 2-3 a year but have not made the change to a better timer, there are some smaller timers available that give you just as many options I have not gotten around to buying one yet. Kyle

[@bastionblackperformance3804]

Great drill by the way Kyle, love you guys over at Vtac.

[@VikingTactics]

@Buckbaggums Absolutely not, only with a machine gun. Through all the years of training, auto fire is not needed and no more effective in a CQB scenario than semi auto fire. Of course this is just my opinion....

[@JustinCglass]

I think this would be a fun exercise I think I'm gonna try this as soon as I get some rounds

[@wedvarn]

@jacobninja25 Personal preference probably, its always best to just do whatever your comfortable with.

[@Delta8559272]

@ijackofftoanime yes but the shot to the head would be the thing to put him down. there is no body armor that protects the head well enough to protect from a .308

[@sgrife]

Gonna try this tomorrow!

[@Musashiprodigy]

@VikingTactics Hello Mr. Lamb. I just want to say I really respect what you do and what you have done. I practically started with your book Green Eyes Black Rifles when I got into tactical shooting. I'd been shooting my whole life but the book helped me more than I can explain. I was wondering why do you prefer EOTechs over Aimpoints? I know a lot of SOF use the EOTech for the speed.

[@VikingTactics]

@ARomanianKid14 Better stability, easier to drive and stop the weapon, easier to manipulate your light system, also gives more strength in a weapons retention situation. Good luck with your ROTC program, let us know if you or your mates need anything else. Kyle

[@Delta8559272]

@ijackofftoanime yes but when he is crawling around on the ground he still has his rifle and a working trigger finger...now you have a man with nothing to lose, shooting at you until he runs out of ammo or bleeds out. and yes the pelvis is better than nothing but i am arguing the point that a head shot is a superior shot to take than the pelvis because it is an immediate down instead of waiting 3 minutes for him to bleed out

[@VikingTactics]

@Failure2Fire I am not a fan of muzzle brakes for tactical use, that is unless you have one attached that will allow you to add your suppressor over it. Too much flash and concussion on all that I have seen. I like shooting with them, they do seem to make follow up shots a little easier, but the noise, blast and flash are too much. Kyle

[@Delta8559272]

@ijackofftoanime i understand that, but a shot to the pelvis will only immobilize the target while he is fully capable to fire back in the 5 minutes it takes him to bleed out. and if there is a potential for body armor take a mans rifle the M1A socom 2.

[@G4Disco]

Why not put 3 round center mass on each target, then reevaluate and put more rounds on target if needed? The other targets could be advancing on you while you are still working on the first one. Just a thought.

[@Delta8559272]

@Nater245689 first pertson to know what hes talking about. generally what ive seen with the groin protectors is the hard plate never soft armor. now im not saying he dosent know what hes tallking about im just saying that a typical mozambique will work better because there is no SAPI or E-SAPI plates in helmets or faceshields.

[@tdo79]

I hear ya, but this was still pretty damn quick.

[@norcofreerider604]

Damn, I want to try this now.

[@TheOperator150]

Kyle, I have noticed in all your shooting videos you run the FSB up or maybe it is fixed. Can you tell me what sight that is and why you prefer to run it at way? I have tried that but it seemed to cloud my FOV. Also do you run the Sight up when you are using your Leupold to?

[@VikingTactics]

@PokemonHaloFan If I had to choose 5.56 or 6.8 SPC I would pick 5.56. If I had to chose between 5.56 and 7.62 I would pick 7.62. 6.8 SPC is not proven, and most of the data I have seen is smoke and mirrors. I would take the 7.62 any day of the week. Piston/Direct, who cares? Does your weapon work? I have no issues with a DI system, have had a few issues with certain Piston Systems...I think the receiver said Made in Germany. I like POF’s 7.62 light weight Piston rifle. Kyle

[@VikingTactics]

@turdferguson9725 Yes sir last book of the AR. Had pics of some of the Phoenix guys. Kyle

[@LeMenuisier]

Great stuff as usual Kyle. What type/brand timer is that you are using? Very interested in getting one of these to improve my shooting. Thanks in advance for your response. Happy holidays and Merry Christmas to you and the family!

[@shocknawefilms]

Kyle, Which sight do you recommend for an AR? I have a bushnell red/green sight and it sticks too far off my rifle. I like the looks of the one on your rifle, and I'm sure you don't use anything but the best. Thanks. Erik Schacht

[@blackriflex39]

Kyle have you ever considered paintball as a training aid? i enjoy playing and see the benefits in shooting drills such as these ... great video enjoy everyone!

[@GY6vids]

I would like to practice this drill on homemade targets....what are the dimensions and spacing of the Boxes on each target? Thank you for all the great work you guys do -GY6vids

[@tdo79]

Is this this real life training, or just a transition drill? Meaning, would you really place rounds in those areas of the body in that sequence in a threat situation? It makes me cringe to think about taking a 5.56 round to the pelvis.

[@Delta8559272]

@VikingTactics i see but wouldnt a mozambique be faster with mulitple engagements like this exercise? but i know you will be faster and more comfortable with what you train with.

[@LRRPF52]

If someone was wearing hard armor designed to stop high velocity rifle projectiles, or they were continuing to close the distance w/ you, the pelvis & hard drive would be great places to bust. A Lieutenant shot one of the NCO's in my Battalion in Korea through the pelvis & it shut him down quick. It was supposed to be a blank fire exercise, but the douche had brought a live mag of 5.56 tracers IIRC & had them in his LBV. Dude survived, but was seriously ruined for life. LT went bye-bye after.

[@jamiesloan5902]

Looks like a Chris Farley stance. I like it!!!! I bet he has a van, down by the river...lol All jokes aside... Great shooting.

[@theVariedLife]

Neat drill but I haven't seen proof that pelvis is critical target area. If anyone has info please post it - I'm open to learning.

[@rhubarbpie2027]

From what I understand, shooting that joint makes the assailant a wailing immobile meat sack, but not dead. SafeArmsReview​

[@MoonSongVideo]

+SafeArmsReview seems like a variation on the Mozambique drill - in case target is wearing a ceramic plate or such. Pelvic wound is very hard to stop, and close to the femoral arteries, so most likely will bleed out.

[@odinzraider591]

Both of the gentleman above are correct. Any type of trauma to the pelvis will render that individual unable to walk or even stand. Also, due to the femoral artery and having no way to tourniquet it, a wound effecting the artery is usually fatal.

[@misterbill1911]

+SafeArmsReview Pelvis/hip joint is a major weight bearing structure. Break that, the opponent goes down, especially applicable with an attacker with a knife.

[@daxisperry7644]

In the Marine Corps they teach you to aim for the pelvic gurtle because if you have a guy who's drugged up and can potentially take those shots to the chest, aim for the pelvic gurtle and they collapse not out of pain, but because their body can't mechanically support the weight. 2 chest, 1 pelvic gurtle or head,it's called a 'failure to stop' drill. You can aim for the head, but the pelvic gurtle is a MUCH bigger target and moves less than the head can. OR if you need to stop someone without killing them (no guarentee on that one)

[@markash1971]

always aim for center of mass. more chance of missing with a head shot, and you dont want to be missing if the target is shooting, or ready to shoot back

[@VikingTactics]

@turdferguson9725 I prefer to point my weapon at the threat quickly. Have you read the article I wrote about Fighting Stance vs Shooting Stance? I don’t want to rely on the threat’s ability to aim at my plates, and as far as that goes the difference is negligible. Kyle

[@bastionblackperformance3804]

Weird things happen when you shoot people and some things defy convention, some are drugged up, some are just friggin tough and don't go down right away because of adrenaline and/or shot placement. Its like how you can arrow a deer through both lungs witha 4-blade broadhead and then you still have to track it 400, 800, 1600yds... Lane

[@PokemonHaloFan]

Kyle Very impressive and thank you for your service to our country. I was wondering what is your opinion on the new 6.8mm SPC round and some of the new piston driven AR platforms such as the LWRC M6 series and the Barrett REC7. I know the old DI vs Piston argument and 5.56 vs (Insert bigger round) has been argued to hell already but I was wondering if I could get the opinion of a former elite operator such as yourself. Any info you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

[@ASMRShalom]

Looks like a great drill. I have two questions. One, wouldn't it be more prudent to cut the pie; ie shoot from Left to Right or Right to Left, mimicking a real engagement? Two, how much harder would this drill be with iron sights, should the EOTech fail? Thanks, can't wait for more vids! G. Knox USMC 87-92

[@foughtwolf]

I could be wrong, but in a situation like this, wouldnt it make more sense to three shot core each target and then go for the head shots after that?

[@midwestgrunt]

Good hits at such close range. Im curious at what distance did you BZO these rifles. And/or what meter/yard line do you suggest as the all around best BZO?

[@Quartz91]

Why not go from left to right, or right to left, instead of what you do?

[@ProfVonW]

The start of the video says we can buy a DVD of drills on your website. I didn't see it on there. Is it not for sale yet?

[@TheSafetysoff]

Sir, are you guys looking at the dot or looking pass the dot? i tend to focus at the dot, but the dot is a bit blurred, so meaning i'm looking pass the dot, im always tracking a blurry dot. Should i train to focus completely on the dot like iron sights or the target when using electronic sights..

[@jimmydeanbreakfastsg]

Kyle, lets make the drill a little more interesting- the Osama Drill, two to the chest one in the left eye fast as you can.

[@ELITEHAMSTER123]

@VikingTactics whoops, someone all ready said that. O//////O

[@Yusuf1187]

I wouldn't want to face that guy in combat. He's training to shoot you right in the nuts with precision accuracy.

[@Glockcrazy19]

I'm about to order an upper from BCM with your TRX handguard on it, quick question what ammo do you guys prefer for training? Thanks for the vids, you guys put out great stuff.

[@tokentreez]

going out this sunday to run a few drills, what do you expect i should add to my time if anything with iron sights? also whichof your pistol and rifle vids do you suggest for a beginner shooter as far as self defense and preparedness goes? im signed up for local classes but i would like your opinion. i have the magpul vids, but your approach seems like more of a skill builder

[@Sp3ctr3117]

Great drill! Is there a particular range you recommend doing this drill including transitions to Pistol (After the 15 rounds with Carbine?) I'd like to use this with our new operators.

[@archon2346]

@VikingTactics check... and mate.

[@lazytd]

Not being flip at all... but if you had 3 attackers closing at that distance, why would you train to take so many shots before transitioning to the next attacker?

[@benzy2]

Never having shot at anyone I do have a question. After 3 COM shots, how still is a person standing to then follow up with both a groin and a head shot? It feels like the target would be moving before that 5th i