TWiV 1176: Clinical update with Dr. Daniel Griffin

[@JW4REnvironment]

Thanks to Dr. Griffin for his sadly needed quote here in the States: “Vaccines-they actually work.” Given the current situation, he and other practitioners do have to state the obvious over and over…and that vaccines are overall quite safe and save our country billions in health care yearly in addition to saving millions of Americans’ lives every year…When I was in junior high, I thought everyone knew this! But I guess not. Hats off to Dr. Grffin for his patience in dealing with all these issues!

[@FSMDog]

People knew it, but have now gone down conspiracy rabbitholes.... Convinced by people with nefarious motives that science cannot be trusted

[@Logotic]

That bit where Dr. Griffin was talking about the guy in his 90s who was getting near the end put a tear in my eye 😿

[@Fraan000]

Well I got a flu shot in November. First time in years I haven't come down with the flu before Christmas. Just because Dr. Griffin always goes on about it. Thanks so much. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah!

[@bobbywhite1645]

How can a 90 year old present with respiratory symptoms to a medical professional and NOT get tested for covid?? What is going on here

[@jonetyson]

Being a teaching assistant in grad school for "calculus for premeds" made me forever more scared of doctors.

[@MNP208]

It’s provider preference. Some of our providers don’t test patients who’ve had symptoms longer than 5 days.

[@MNP208]

@@jonetysonThis doesn’t make sense. Pre meds don’t know anything yet. It will take them another 6-8 years for them to practice! Also, some pre meds don’t make it into med school.

[@helengarrett6378]

This mystery disease is malaria complicated by poor nutrition according to what I've read. Eggs this week an my large chain grocery was $7.00/dozen for least expensive white grade AA large shell eggs. Polio is a serious disease that terrified my parents. They were completely relieved when I received the first vaccines at school and as a result did not fall ill in childhood as did some other unfortunate children. They saved dimes for the annual March of Dimes campaigns for Polio. Their fear was rekindled when my uncle came down with Polio serving in Korea during the Korean War. So we chidren got the IPV vaccine too when it came out. We were VACCINATED!

[@wendyg8536]

My 86yr fil who fell over and broke his neck after getting jbd..was in hospital no water given for half a week and a week before xray to discover broken neck. ... ..could be that age has something to do with it ...huh

[@mrscott3961]

Thanks!

[@DudeFun-yi7nu]

Do clinicians who don't test for covid on elderly patients presenting with symptoms have professional consequences?

[@jenniferw1595]

You can anonymously report any physician in the US online to the state.

[@litsci1877]

@@jenniferw1595 And none of it will matter so long as it's standard of care and reasonable within that doc's medical community.

[@litsci1877]

Hey you guys: as we rehearse all the terrible things that can happen when you don't get your shots and get serious infectious diseases, a thing we don't talk a whole lot about is why people seem to be okay with this. Like they're watching people they love die and become disabled and they just accept this as inevitable. I'd really love it if you had a psychologist or sociologist on to talk about how we got here -- we have all these wellness people on one hand, and that quest for health can't be entirely performative, and then people who 50 years ago would actually have cared about these diseases, so what's going on?

[@Tabitha_K]

I live in England. My 85 year old mother recently contracted a respiratory illness. Even though she is not eligible for Paxlovid (hardly anyone is here…), I suggested she test for Covid. She had 3 negative tests on 3 consecutive days. When she developed a secondary chest infection she informed a doctor over the phone that she had tested negative for Covid. His response: “there’s no need to test these days” 🤷‍♀️

[@jimkofron8638]

The petition in question was filed to the FDA in 2022 by lawyer Aaron Siri on behalf of the group ICAN not on behalf of RFK Jr. The petition seeked to revoke one particular vaccine - IPOL - (which is one of six currently licensed polio vaccines) only for infants and children and only up until a proper trial was conducted as IPOL (licensed in 1990) was licensed based on a new technology at the time including growing the polio virus in monkey kidney cells that have been genetically altered to replicate indefinitely similar to cancer cells and those cells end up in the vial of each dose. The clinical trial relied upon to license that vaccine reviewed safety for only 3 days after injection before it was licensed. ICAN wanted to make sure that the vaccine was licensed based on proper safety data

[@lmug1]

And what about the TDap and Hep A vaccines? What is his reasoning on those??

[@PeterOakcroft]

Thank you

[@WillNewcomb]

You guys are the best of the USA

[@solomon-uu5xh]

These two, & many others, for their lies & propaganda, will go down into a burning lake of fire, they'll go down down down & the flames 'll go higher, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire.

[@MNP208]

“the husband was useful” 😂😂 You made me laugh this morning! This is especially true when it comes to illnesses! 😂

[@litsci1877]

Suddenly flashing on Dr. Griffin being professionally tolerant of an entire career's worth of useless husbands in exam and hospital rooms

[@Logotic]

I've had nothing but respect and implicit trust for DR. Griffin for about 4 years now and I think he deserves respect as much for his occasional lacerating dry humor as for his clinical skills. This cracked me up 😆😅😂🤣🤘

[@razerginn]

10s of thousands of chickens have died, dead birds have overwhelmed our rendering plant in sac co. We are taking in big rig loads of dead birds into our landfill.its getting bad.

[@RiDankulous]

I thought the emergency was just for thecow version. Anyone having contact with such dead birds needs to use extreme caution for their own safety. I was joking with my dad when I asked him “you don’t play with bird corpses, do you?“ I’d be shocked if this thing is just happening in California, though with the birds in the landfills and rendering plants. Maybe that’s something peak there compared to other places though.

[@muscovyducks]

Thanks as always

[@LivingRiverJewelry]

I’m so sorry y’all have to keep defending SARS origins. It’s been frustrating hearing non virologists perpetuate conspiracy theories 🤦‍♀️

[@rbdesigner725]

Is it not true that we do not have all the data from the lab?

[@mariocomeq1961]

In France they refused to give all the information asked by epidemiologists. Case: Dr, Laurent Toubiana and Pierre Chaillot.

[@sbartdbarcelona44]

Thx you

[@TraceyRolandelli]

If someone has never had chicken pox, but had the vaccine as an adult (although years ago), should they get a shingles vaccine?

[@solomon-uu5xh]

It causes shingles.

[@isabelamer86]

My mom tested positive for Covid and they sent her home, she's in her mid 90's. Had to take her back 4 days later at which point she had pneumonia and blood clots so they admitted her. Luckily she came out alright, but no offer of covid treatment. (Oxygen, blood thinners, antiniotics and rehab.)

[@litsci1877]

(Sorry for so many) "Don't go out when it's raining" -- yeah, I love that. But Vincent, your predicted curve-squashing lasted long enough that I had a beautiful Thanksgiving with my (now grown) daughter and her boyfriend, the first real Thanksgiving here in a long time, and it felt great. We ate too much, we drank beautiful wine, we talked for hours and listened to some new records (yep, actual records) I'd just gotten, it was great. Young people are the best, they've got so much excitement and trepidation about the future, and everything's new for them. Chanukah, we'll see who's getting sick -- wastewater counts around here have skyrocketed -- but increasingly it looks like masks, just as well that no one really wants latkes anymore. Maybe we'll do early presents before she goes to the boyfriend's big family for Christmas, then she'll come over to light & mask. Anyway thanks for the clarification that at this point an infectious person is also much more likely to be a sick person. Also for the wastewater explainer.

[@mariocomeq1961]

[17:24] « Are we devided about climate changes? No. no.» Makes me laugh.

[@Sceince01]

Yeah some clowns do think we are divided. Lol . Level of stu pydity .

[@JillKnapp]

Thank you so much, gentlemen I'm so very for your knowledge and experience, (and your excellent communication skills).

[@solomon-uu5xh]

These two, & many others, for their lies & propaganda, will go down into a burning lake of fire, they'll go down down down & the flames 'll go higher, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire.

[@mariocomeq1961]

[17:51] I am waiting surely next monday an interview with professeur Didie Raoult. It will be very interesting. Is it vey curioos how this man from the beggining wast attacked.

[@robertcox14]

Can Africa "afford" American vaccines?

[@traianliviudanciu8665]

Did intoxication(poisoning) mimic infection disease ?

[@mariocomeq1961]

[12:05] Many professors recommend not to use polio vac any more.

[@Sceince01]

Half truths are basically lies . They recommend using injectable vaccine. Any body recommending not using polio vaccine at all are either taking advantage of people’s dumbness or are clueless.

[@solomon-uu5xh]

These two, & many others, for their lies & propaganda, will go down into a burning lake of fire, they'll go down down down & the flames 'll go higher, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire.

[@pawpawforhealth]

Two questions related to RFKjr. Do you reject him because of guilt by association? Do you consider the plans to work on other diseases than infectious diseases to be unworthy?

[@Sceince01]

I reject him because he is a true lo Life . A person you tell your son not to be like . He never apologized to any of the families of 83 he helped kill in Samoa. He never apologized to the families of 5k in Samoa he helped make sick He never apologized to Dr soffit for lying about his income and his vaccine and put his family in danger . He wrote a plethora of lies about a real life super hero Dr Fauci - imagine how tested a mind this clown has? Do you think he likes and praises Peter Duesberg because he helped kill hundreds of thousands or despite it ?

[@traianliviudanciu8665]

What toxic can mimic respiratory infection ?

[@traianliviudanciu8665]

Have hidroxichlorochine antiinflammatory effects ? Did inflammation increase severity of Covid19 ?

[@traianliviudanciu8665]

Have ivermectin antiinflammatory effects ?

[@traianliviudanciu8665]

Did antiinflammatory drugs decrease immune reactions ? Did antiinflamatory drugs enhance viral infection and virus spread ?

[@solomon-uu5xh]

Yes & yes.

[@solomon-uu5xh]

@@traianliviudanciu8665 Yes

[@solomon-uu5xh]

@@traianliviudanciu8665 The 2 you mentioned do not decrease immune function. But drugs like prednisone does lower your immune function.

[@terra6984]

No shots for me.

[@robertcox14]

You gave us measles numbers but NOT a WORD on manufacture of vaccines that is THE issue that causes people to AVOID a vaccine. Your lack of mentioning "problems" and "different variations of vaccines," omits the information we need to KNOW.

[@solomon-uu5xh]

These two, & many others, for their lies & propaganda, will go down into a burning lake of fire, they'll go down down down & the flames 'll go higher, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire.

[@larryvanbarriger6670]

It's sad listening to this propaganda

[@solomon-uu5xh]

These two, & many others, for their lies & propaganda, will go down into a burning lake of fire, they'll go down down down & the flames 'll go higher, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire, in that lake of fire.

[@traianliviudanciu8665]

Maybe ,,cold agglutinine,, and, or, higher cryoglobuline IgM level can explain some cases of long Covid19

[@litsci1877]

The discussion about alteration in skeletal muscle is deeply disturbing -- what in hell could be causing a switchover like that? (More research is needed, yes, I know; I'll have to read the paper, thanks for bringing it to our attention.) The slow changes of aging are bad enough; that sounds like the stuff of nightmare. Although it would seem to line up with the experience of so many previously highly athletic LC sufferers who just get knocked down -- they've got lots of skeletal muscle, and they're also going to notice the change in a profound way. Maybe it's not so much that 30something marathoners and Crossfit aficionados are specifically vulnerable: they just have more muscle available for changeover, so the change is more obvious. (Also, do we know what "deconditioning" means for this kind of uh revised tissue?) I will say that while it's interesting (and disturbing), it doesn't seem to speak to the experience of so many LC sufferers who seem to have significant *cardiac* involvement -- heart racing to the point they think they'll die, awareness of their hearts behaving dysfunctionally. I suppose that could be neurological but...well, again, I'll read the paper, and thank you.

[@5amiann]

People were increasingly getting racing heart issues before covid. Some say it's all the electronics in society now. I wonder if it's low magnesium in our increasingly terrible diets.

[@8-ec-8]

The high number of electronics - good subject for a presentation on Microbe TV!

[@litsci1877]

@@8-ec-8 no, it really isn't. EMF and all that was comprehensively debunked years ago as a driver of cancers and other diseases.