Virpil MT50 CM2 - New Premium Grip - Overview & Review - Star Citizen

[@RedLir_Live]

First!

[@molexer8756]

I’ve been using this grip for 2 weeks now. I couldn’t be more happy. Paired with the chair mounts and pedals it makes for very comfortable combat gameplay.

[@thomaseccles627]

I've just ordered one for myself, mounts and throttle too - time to get rid of my Saitek X-56!

[@nielsarum8057]

Joystick market was dead before Virpil and VBK showed up to take the lead, and now they just keep pushing. But i feel like there is room for some mid tier joysticks as well.

[@fubarace1027]

Thrustmaster owns that solidly with the T16k joysticks (which are left AND right handed with a quick unscrew and rescrew) and their Hotas which is surprisingly good at the price range. The pedals are a bit too small imo, but people use them, and I have gigantic feet (size 13) so maybe you wont feel like I do. If you consider them, go to amazon and buy a tube of nyogel 767A and regrease the sticks and the hotas, it makes a considerable difference in their feel and play. It cost me $30 and now that I've done it, I'd do it again in a heartbeat. There are many howto videos here both on how to do it, and displaying before and after.

[@mikezombik]

Well... VPC is a premium segment, logitech (with their Saitek's products) + Thrustmaster has the mid

[@JETZcorp]

Just adding in for future visitors to the comments. The current midrange king of sticks is the VKB Gladiator NXT. Better gimbal than Thrustmaster or Saitek, and comes with the full-fat Kosmosima grip. $150 for the Premium version. If only they had a throttle to go with it. The Thrustmaster T16000 throttle is a popular pairing with the VKB, making a solid midrange hotas pair that kicks the balls off of the full T16K set or the X56.

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

If Virpil release something like your suggestion with an analog thumbstick and a twist in left and right hand grips, I would be AAAAAALL over that.

[@verpine3534]

Thanks for this intro to Virpil's new stick, Noob. With all the constructive feedback Virpil received in the past, and their knowledge that their hardware is sought by space sim pilots as well as flight sim folks, I'd have thought they would have produced this stick with your suggestions already in place. Virpil knows they have a subset of customers who want a top-end stick with the options for left hand, twist, and a mini-stick for space sims.

[@kennethjones8683]

I have been asking Virpil to come out with an mini extension that allows a Z axis (since the original MT-50 release). They already sell 20, 40, 60mm extensions. Imagine a 15 or 20mm extension that would allow Z axis? They would sell sooooo many of these. I just simply don't know why they don't research and produce this (other than they want to sell space sim grips - which I hate the design). Seriously Virpil - look at 2:48 - take that part and design it into an extension already.

[@jube1907]

I like the Cameras which show your hands and the sticks while playing 👍🏼

[@JS-xp9fg]

I agree with all of your suggestions and would like to add a few of my own. Add English labels to the new stick so users aren't limited to Russian, and see if you can decrease the overall size of the stick. Their model line-up is rather large when compared to sticks offered by other manufacturers. Great content as always! Keep up the good work!

[@bryanusmc88]

No Z axis is huge deal breaker. It's the only reason I don't all ready own one

[@TatakaiEX]

+1 I've had my eye on a the MT-50's for a while, but the lack of z-axis makes it a no-go.

[@OLomasO]

Count yourself lucky 90% of people don't own any model of these because they make them 5 at a time and they sell out in the first 3 seconds they are restocked. People have been trying to get on of any model of them for months.

[@pirateradio8420]

I would like the option for a twist axis also, but if you have rudder pedals with toe brakes, you really don't need the twist.

[@ph11p3540]

Currently I have two grips for each of these bases. Two T50 have been sent into careful storage until Virpil makes a set of rudder pedals, power number pad (like Logitechs G13 or Razors n52te), and MFD panels while I use the Constellation grips.

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

Yeah Virpil listen to what he says ! i want this grip with twist and 1 analog stick (i use it for walking in games like with an X box controller) Also plz make one left and right handed thx.

[@rastas3742]

Definitely. Virpil, listen to this guy!

[@fubarace1027]

Virpil, for me, add a Z axis and I'll buy the grip. I was a little disappointed to convince myself to settle with the WaBRD grip (ordering it right now, just reviewing his videos to decide on extra cams with or without soft center) as I felt it would be difficult to learn to use pedals (plus I'd have to buy them). I'd MUCH rather use this grip than the Delta, I like the shape, buttons, and layout. So either make this grip WITH a Z axis, or make a Z axis addon and I'll buy this grip too. Thanks for the review!

[@jonasblane1786]

Watching this two years later knowing the Constellation Alpha exists feels like they literally took your advice word for word

[@aarontavis8085]

This Virpil! Exactly this. Replace that 8-way HAT with an analog stick, make a left-hand version, call it the constellation alpha and you're done! Good job Noob!

[@strinhinottawa]

Yes, this. I would totally have opted for this for Star Citizen it if weren't for the missing Z-axis. I can do without the analog stick, but Z-axis is definitely a must. Thanks again Noob! Great content.

[@jeanwinter5275]

Start with the pedals (roll), then choose the joystick. No compromises for Star Citizen!

[@NikosTsoumas]

Well said Noob, MT-50 with Z axis will be the grip to have. Although I already own both MT-50CM and a Delta, I keep hoping for an MT-50 with Z axis to come along, and it will (hopefully) I’ll get both left and right

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

To me its a market that needs some effort.

[@harabecswurveweathers]

I watching this video again because I'm set to get a CM2 and WarBRD Base in a couple weeks, and your comment about adding a mini-stick and a Z axis seems to have come true with the upcoming Constellation Alpha. I'm going to go ahead getting the CM2 but I'll wait for your review and if it's as good as it looks I'll likely sell the CM2 and replace it. Good video as always, Noob! The CM2 will be a big upgrade over my T16000M!

[@parakletos9994]

Absolutely nailed it! I hope Virpil gets on it with a CM2 type stick, left-handed, AND Z-Axis. Many have asked and their response has been "...the Delta." It's a valiant effort, but nope! The look, function, AND button options just aren't there. The sticks I need must serve the purposes of three games I, along with many others, simply will not compromise so I just keep the money on tap waiting for the day that Virpil (or VKB) builds what I/we need while getting by with what I/we have already. I hope they listen this time around and get on it...

[@JonoDuPreez]

Holy crap. So many key binding options on those joysticks. I would still go with a mouse for when I exit my ship though.

[@MMORPG87]

sadly i didnt get my grip on the first restock due to sever being swamped, only got my throttle and base.. held out for this recent restock but my soul died a lil after seeing the increase in price for the cm2( only version now for right hand :/) once u add shipping and if buy credit card there is a 20 fee for outta country the grip is well over 200$ alone.. had to decide on sellng or buying other option so i chose the vpc WB grip just cause i hate the look of the delta being so over saturated with hat switches.. Virpil should dive into being the first company with modular buttons.. buy the grip shape u like and then swap out any hats with buttons out vise versa. i like the idea of the joystick for a hat.. using it to nav through the MFD in SC would be amazing

[@silentone11111111]

If it goes twist grip Im in . Otherwise I think Ill wait for a Kosmosima. Since neither provider ever seems to have stock in for long enough for me to buy. Might be waiting a while . lol.

[@fubarace1027]

Your suggestions were right on point, though given the option, I'd prefer the analogue mini stick on the throttle over the stick, but I might be the minority in that opinion. I had read somewhere that a z axis addition was in the works, but I didn't see much about it, nor did I see any posts directly from Virpil Staff. Hopefully it ends up being an addon extension so as to make everyone happy, it'd would be awesome to have twist when I play Star Citizen, then be able to remove it when I'm flying in DCS. It just seems like it would be confusing at times manipulating the joystick in different directions while also manipulating the analogue mini stick in opposing directions, but I haven't tried it. Besides, they have more room to work with if they put the analogue stick on the throttle, and I really like their throttle. Having a mini stick as a thumb controlled option would be perfect as the thumb has good small control. My current setup has the analogue mini stick as a forefinger controlled device, and it's harder doing fine control with it.

[@EliteNewbie]

Would love to see a Space Sim version of this stick like you said - seems like it would be a knockout.... just need shipping to AUS to be better.

[@airmaric]

Love the honest flightstick reviews, NOOB - thanks for the excellent work!

[@Butzitube]

This grip with a ministick and left handet would be awesome... But the constellation is good enough for my needs

[@greatwood9127]

Looks solid. Will pick one up with the new gimbal release. Looks like a solid right hand choice

[@cybertaniwha]

Im itching to add to my collection of sticks, but I just want to wait and see what good space sim grips come out the few leading companys. There is some really good stuff coming out and some good stuff that has been refined.

[@TheRealYann]

Virpil keeps coming with the gear!

[@BCSchmerker]

+BrianMP5T *I've already shortlisted a few changes for VIRPIL® to consider* for a MongoosТ-50БМ™ ( _Болшая Модернизацыя_ "Great Modernization"). For the top pod, I picture a 5-way trim in the lower-right position (replacing the plain push), and a ministick in the lower-left position. On the grip left, a push in the thumbrest flank (about where it is on the Virtual Engineering Bureau's (RUS) MCG Pro), and a pinky outrigger push (as on the AvijaAvtomatika® center-stick grips for OKBa Milja (cyclic, hover toggle) and Mikojanja (external fuel tank jett)). The Z-axis input, if any, will probably have to be in the base below the air-brake grip.

[@337sim]

Nice looking flight sticks

[@rasmusjensen3966]

all those sticks which one to choose... or wait?!

[@JaumeSabater]

Noobifier, would you consider doing a video of what set up you use to play Star Citizen and how you've mapped the buttons? Either HOTAS or HOSAS. Please? :-)

[@LordBattleSmurf]

I want it with a mouse scroll wheel too like the Delta has for adjusting speed limit in SC. As well as a analog ministick and twist option also maybe a button instead of one of the hats. It's nice to have a missile button rather than a hat.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

The second trigger is what I’m using for missile

[@LordBattleSmurf]

Good point ty. I still want that scroll wheel in the next "high end" Virpil space sim grip. I don't see why they WOULDN'T include it as it doesn't seem to take the place of anything else? That will be VERY useful more multiple things in Star Citizen from speed limiter to mining laser ect

[@andrewrowland1354]

Crazy it doesn’t have twist, as this is a product you hopefully only buy once and keep for a long time, the first manufacturer that produces the product people want will clean up leaving the other manufacturers in their wake. Virpil, listen to your customers and make a stick (pair) with twist and 1 analog thumb = sell lots of products.

[@neonspark707]

I think you will be pleased with the new FM. The days of "COD in space" are over since that is not the game wing commander was. But the leaks show a MUCH slower game than anything to date, yet seems more positionally rewarding. Precisely the kind of game that would benefit from fly enhancement input devices instead of the old fly model that rewarded aim enhancement input devices. Let's hope for the best.

[@JamesStow]

Excellent summation as usual bud!

[@jh-lp7cg]

Dual Deltas and T50CM2 bases + mounts are on the way to me from Virpil.. Can't wait.

[@harpoon_bakery162]

what was the total cost with shipping? (usd)

[@Furstaide]

Nice overview, thanks

[@frestyl]

Hopefully, they can quickly kick out a model for space sims with those additional features.

[@harpoon_bakery162]

i believe they are coming out with a control panel as well, which will mound to a CM2 base

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

I think they should also release a lefty or ambidextrous throttle. I'm my quest for dual joysticks I've seen many a forum with left handed gamers looking for a HOTAS.

[@jckutten]

This is great. Will you be doing a teardown video of the CM2 as well?

[@ZZCheetahZZ]

I also want to see that review..

[@-few-fernando11]

Funny you where asking for the constelation Alpha! Good call

[@spartarex]

Sounds like a great stick, Noobifier. It is a shame they didn't make a left-handed version too.

[@spencer1886]

They have.

[@billma8]

Still waiting on those Baur pedals Virpil has been teasing since their website revamp :(

[@KamalaChameleon]

I hope your channel does more hotas/man toy reviews. It's why I subscribed

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It’s a balance between topics and yes, more are coming

[@danielekirylo]

Totaly agree with you noob, that's why I am waiting for the new Delta.

[@solidblack3888]

Always keeping it real for us, keep doing what you do

[@LoVeRSaMa]

Seems perfect, though I don’t want pedals and it has no twist :(

[@spencer1886]

Not going to lie, expected a bit more from this review. I have the delta and love it, just bought this grip to be my right stick. But i wish you had spent more time going through what each button can do, how easily accessible they are, do you utilize all buttons in SC? I get Virpil makes amazing products, some may need tweaking, but i expected more from this review. Leaves me feeling like, its a good stick mad by VIrpil, but... details? People may spend about 400 bucks on this grip, plus base, plus shipping, which i did. Details please.

[@ED-2.0.9.]

Dad-gum, I can't decide when I want to Virp out! Delta current front runner, I just hang up on it's radical looks.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Almost

[@ED-2.0.9.]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 owww. You wrinkled my brain there man ...

[@get_outdoors]

Hi, new subscriber here, found your videos on Virpil very helpful. I believe the switches and hats have been updated, do you have any experience of the revised trigger, I’ve seen comments on the original stick saying it ‘mushy’. Thanks

[@SnakingIvY]

I CANT WAITTTT. Expensive as equipment have been getting dusty lately

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

3.5 hype

[@jorjkordaal]

Can we see a head-to-head comparison between the Virpil CM2 and the VKB MGC Pro? Now there you have a real like-for-like comparison.

[@cugino6325]

Hmm still missing z-axis twist... sadly not a option for what I'm looking for... Will love a mini stick on a throttle, on a joystick I don't miss it and I prefer an extra button or a 2-way hat

[@E9rendil]

No more Virpil product since I baught the previous MT50 and its base. The grip quality is good but the gimbal is the worth I never experienced. Compared to the VBK GFII there is no question for me for the joystick part.

[@rainsmods3462]

Hey Noob what are your thoughts on VR, and do you think you will cover the new headsets announced at GDC?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX_cgayaidWWmZo I like VR very much. We need more resolution

[@psychotoddler2149]

How were you able to keep the reticle in center of the hud? Even with gimbals locked, mine (the round one with the dot) flys around with my flight controls, which is confusing when you’re trying to place your locked weapons on the PIP.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Look Ahead Toggle

[@psychotoddler2149]

TheNOOBIFIER1337 Good grief, why isn’t that tied to the gimbal lock function! Why is that even a thing! I don’t remember this being an issue before the current version.

[@ghali3059]

Hi, would be coold if you could make a video where you can hear the sound of the click-buttons. Cause the first virpirl moongost had bad click sound.

[@harpoon_bakery162]

I had heard that. Did you find an answer to that?

[@julianlandicho2511]

How come the stick for manhood says not compatibal with desktop

[@LeifPalmin]

Thank you for your work Sir.

[@bountyhuntersgamingBHxG]

Question - I'm left handed. Do they sell a left hand grip with a right handed throttle>?

[@owd200]

Good breakdown, thanks man. Wish I could afford these sticks!

[@T3hBr0k3nM0nk3y]

Thanks for the info, Noobifier!!!

[@jordanb1465]

What are people mapping the two-way hat with push for? (Is that the toggle accessible by the trigger finger?)

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Zoom in and out?

[@harpoon_bakery162]

Would this be a good stick for DCS A-10C? Or would this be a mistake for Flight Simmer's like me? I don't do space flight, but who knows, I have Star Citizen and maybe I'll update it at a later time,,,been about a year. Thanks for any help with this. I am certainly going to get the Mongoos50CM2 throttle so now i'm looking to pair it with a good base and stick

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

CM2 is fantastic, but for the future, you could use a right Alpha Grip for A10, and then have a layout for Star Citizen as well

[@GW2Vids1]

I love the new flight model and feel of dogfighting. Can you mount the grip in an angled position?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

Yes, it can rotate 360

[@Chiitect98]

Nice review on the CM@ N00B. You made a good point about this not being a great stick for Space Sim pilots. Any chance of you working on a review of the VKG Kosmosima/SCG?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

If VKB sends me them to test, I will gladly do that.

[@Chiitect98]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 Understandable. Lets hope that opportunity comes soon!

[@barnigranero5882]

It's strange that Virpil have released right handed only grips when one of their selling points is left and right handed options.

[@DIABULUSKIRA]

Foind what i am going to buy when i finally get money for high end PC and ofc money for HOTAS + pedals for flight sim 😁 It reminds a lot of Mig29 stick whitch is great. 😁

[@Nana-kq4ld]

Wow they really gave you everything you wanted with the alpha

[@hilok]

analog MINISTICK and i'll absolutely buy another one !! if z-axis, please implement a TWIST LOCKING SYSTEM, there are plenty of us using rudder pedals...

[@Daniel-tx8wy]

Nice! Great review my man! That is a lot of bindable buttons.

[@jeanwinter5275]

Hope such manufacturers decide to make availability higher than the demand as it is too hard to get in your hands something other than the present $hit on the market

[@theloafness]

If they would incorporate the twist/zed axis into this grip along with a ministick i'd be all over it like a fat kid on a cupcake and if they made the lefty of that i'd buy two.

[@furiousfelicia5751]

If they did what you suggest (I don’t understand why they didn’t do it already) then the Virgil would level out wit VKBs Kosmosima.

[@SuperFrodo95]

As a DCS player, I don't want an analog stick on the grip, but on the back of the throttle grip for slewing the TDC. The CM2 wasn't really made for space simmers.

[@mtnmist1]

I much prefer the thumb analog to the throttle middle finger WH analog. Aside the WH stock analog being terrible, I have better control with a thumb (referring to a MCG style grip, not sure yet on the delta arrangement). I know a lot of folks are stuck on the throttle analog, but honestly I think that is more "tradition" than it is practical. To each their own, I'm stoked we finally have good quality options to choose from in the past two years or so.

[@req00]

Thanks Noob

[@watchm4ker]

It’s kind of amusing that he basically describes the Constellation Alpha as what he wished the MT50CM2 was...

[@petermuller8863]

Star Citizen dogfighters maybe not like a twist on the right side. (When you aim with the right hand.)A twist is not so good for aiming then a stick without twist. I fly a dual stick with peddals. Left stick with twist, right one without. So i have 6 axis and the cm2 is my choice. But without paddels you are right - you need 2x twist with dual sticks.

[@ccdeadaccount]

Dead on Noobifier. Why will they not listen and combine the best features of their best two sticks?

[@jarisipilainen3875]

well. they send me some..you send them back or keep them? is it realistic for any plane like f16 or f18. or had all and more buttons?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It is SU27 as far as I know

[@jarisipilainen3875]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 good to know its look bad also :D saves my money

[@psykodiak5333]

That's nuts.

[@ThrakazogZ]

You hit the nail on the head. If this new stick had an analog thumb, twist axis, and a left and right version, I would plan on buying them. Without those things, not so much.

[@Sokol10]

You test T50CM2 in Warthog base?

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

It won’t work. That base is limited

[@skmo7072]

Yup - I got this one - it’s tasty

[@TheDream3873]

So waiting for AC to repopulate again. Make AC great again!

[@geoduet5461]

A winderful stick indeed, I'm still windering how you can stand for hours playing arena, but hey, as long as it works !

[@loganrhodes4405]

i fly standing up he says....so many questions...first question. why?

[@ContrastIT]

Good luck getting one.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

I have one

[@ContrastIT]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 You must be a pro at the f5 game then sir. Even if you are lucky enough to get the thing in the cart it does not remove the item from their inventory. I was told that it was out of stock between the time it was added to cart and when I went to complete the transaction.

[@ContrastIT]

I have tried getting this 3 times at their announced restock events with $1000 bucks worth of stuff. Everytime they are out of stock on multiple items by the time I checkout.

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

They take pre order now

[@ContrastIT]

@@NOOBIFIER1337 I am glad to hear that as I was getting pretty discouraged. Thanks for the info.

[@goji059]

Don't need twist but I need the LH grip

[@Lichachron]

Cool!

[@arbelarad1980]

i'm planing to make a sliding mount for one handed 6 axis control for translation movement, do you have suggestions?

[@billma8]

Arbel arad I can only imagine the difficulty you will face getting cross axis movement to not be horrible in such a device. Pitch up while trying surge back, or roll left while fighting strafe left are likely going to be a struggle.

[@arbelarad1980]

@@billma8 i just want to test it, i can't make it professional anyway i don't have the tools or the money for that

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

But 2.6 was good... also ttk will go up further once we get the armor system, i agree to AC should play different from PU as high ttk in PU is good but wrong for AC...

[@NOOBIFIER1337]

2.6 was NOT good compared to 2.3

[@neonspark707]

IMO they should kill AC for good. CIG has been trying to make both work, and each time they improve one, they wreck the other. Fundamentally they are trying to design two completely incompatible games and it is about time AC bites the dust. A more preferable approach while still providing the sandbox within the sandbox would be like the gamescon early 3.x build. You could fight in space, you could fight on vehicles, you could switch swap, you could do this in atmo or not atmo and there was a time limit. That would more accurately simulate the PU and balancing ships there would balance them on the PU.

[@fanustheron8178]

I did not know that you play standing up.

[@jbirdmax]

damn fine vid. as usual

[@simonhouel1984]

Virpil should re-release this grip ...

[@reprobite]

Well said, the shape of the Delta is awful, I had to get rid of both of mine because of the shape

[@dabneyoffermein595]

Does anyone make a grip that has a good trigger button? the CM2 feels so cheap, it has those two positions and both are really bad. metal trigger would be good but that's rare. I don't want a Thrustmaster Warthog , unless you tell me I need to reconsider..ive never had one but I've heard it's really just good for the A10 Warthog plane only.

[@WN6V5E719R8CQB]

So many buttons... what does this one do... oops ... ejected again.

[@DamonCzanik]

Yeah pass for me. I need twist and an analog stick if I'm going to spend that kind of money on dual sticks. They need to look into Star Citizen's complex controls and design a stick for space combat enthusiasts. I want new sticks, and want to give you my money.