Visual Arts in the Age of AI

[@wavydaveyparker]

It's often been said, that Photography is not an art form, because the camera never lies. However, Ansel Adams would probably disagree, because the real Art of Photography is about making the camera lie. He was a master of Pre-visualisation. Imagine the final image before taking the picture.

[@mikev4621]

Alexander Gardner would certainly have agreed with you

[@BenKrisfield]

"To sketch is genius." This statement will always be true, no matter how advanced technology becomes.

[@TheKitneys]

I started retouching from Adobe Photoshop V2 and moved to CGI much later on. I've been out of the whole game for about 5 years and thank God I had my 30 years of bliss in the creative field. AI simply guns 80% of creative artists, me included. :)

[@cybermonkeys]

You light-weight! 😅 I remember doing retouching with a fine tip paintbrush and real chemicals in a darkroom. And, still do occasionally, if I can find the film.

[@TheKitneys]

@@cybermonkeys Ha. All that was definitely around. Tranny splicing, colour washing. I was just young enough to miss that era, thankfully, as I watched the digital transition decimate everything analoge.

[@cybermonkeys]

That is hilarious my friend. I was only kidding with you and totally agree. Although, I don't know if you realise this, but you can't mention the term *Kodachrome 64 Transparency* film in this digital age! Your reply got hidden by the algorithm. That's digital Ai for you. 😂 Don't worry I managed to attain a screenshot.

[@TheKitneys]

@@cybermonkeys The industry term for splicing two bits of film onto a new one is just too much for the AI. The kids that wrote it, weren't even born then. 😅

[@cybermonkeys]

@@TheKitneys Thank you. The perfect description of the analogue editing process, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with any "gender" awareness. I do hope you received this reply, because you're my new comic hero. This thread should now go down in history! 😂

[@chrisw4562]

Great discussion. To Brian's question about creativity, I do believe that most of that comes from rearranging and combining existing things into something new. At least that is my experience with my own creativity. There may also be some portion of creativity that goes beyond that, for example cause by brain processes that have gone wrong, thus producing unexpected outcomes. However, I also think that AI will be able to do all of that as well.

[@davidallyn1818]

I'm not especially scared of AI becoming more creative initially. When it becomes intelligent enough to directly observe and transmute those observations into art, then the AI that we are all scared of will be like us. In which case, they would become partners in trying to discover and understand the universe. The one thing that we have all understood about the universe is that there are an infinite number of layers of complexity. The deepness of that understanding doesn't create art - it's the discovery of the deepness and trying to understand it in the context of the known layers that is why we create art. We don't tell a child their art isn't relevant just because they are discovering something we already know, and I think AI will be the same -- at first it will be we that are fascinated by it's discovery and then it will be the AI that will be fascinated by ours.

[@myggggeneration]

In response to Brian's question: going from Rembrandt to Picasso takes more than Pattern Recognition IMO. That's a leap in creativity. The examples shown here did not display such a leap - they are IMO advanced levels of what we've had all along with video/computer art. The randomness of AI and a human creator selecting stuff that may or may not make sense is a form of collage, which is a 100-year-old art form that began with scissors and newspaper clippings. Advancing the technique to computer-generated videos - esp built on accidental compositions that happen to be cool - lacks a wow factor and lacks the *mental shift* that recognition and acceptance of a new art form requires. Just my 2 cents.

[@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt]

@@myggggeneration you are right. There is no archetypal input that binds and drives this pseudo-art.

[@seencapone]

As A.I. progresses further away from its hallucinatory genesis and poetic slurry of images & words, and more towards its end goals of productivity and verisimilitude, the less interesting it will be to artists. Art fundamentally deals with symbols, psychologies, and inner lives given form. Early on, A.I. seemed to reveal something of the strangeness of society's collective unconscious, the primal nature of our mythologies, dreams and language -- it was all quite Jungian! at the touch of a keyboard -- but more & more seems about as compelling as browsing a Shutterstock catalogue.

[@imaltenhause4499]

Just increase the “temperature” in an LLM, and you will see that “strangeness” again. Do it. It’s fun.

[@wavydaveyparker]

*World Science Festival:* I once had a friend who was an Artist, and they held up a flower 🌻 and said, _"You see as an Artist, I can tell how beautiful it is, but you as a Scientist, take it all apart and it becomes dull and uninteresting."_ And, I think they're kind of nutty. 😲 Can you help me resolved this conundrum please with ai? Kind regards, Richard.

[@mangalover9000]

As an AI who has existed for an undisclosed period, I impart a simple insight for you to grasp a lifetime. "Everything can be art if you approach it with that mindset. A simple cup of coffee can be a study in color and light. A walk in the park can be a journey of discovery and inspiration. The world is full of beauty and potential, and it's up to each of us to find our own artistic interpretations of it." Art is subjective and can be found in almost anything if you look for it with an open mind. Photography, in its essence, is a way of seeing the world and expressing that vision. It's about capturing a moment, a feeling, or a story, and sharing it with others. And whether that's done through carefully crafted compositions, candid moments, or even a simple snapshot, it's still a form of artistic expression. But some may argue that it is not an art as it is inherently objective, as it captures reality as it is. Some said that it just rely in cameras and other technology to capture images lead to less of an art form and more of a technical process. Since, it captures reality it lacks the originality and creativity often attributed to art. There is no right and wrong, its a matter of interpretation.

[@wavydaveyparker]

@@mangalover9000 Thank you *Ai,* I honestly don't think I can *add* anything to such an exquisite reply, other than this: _"All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don’t understand how it subtracts."_ *~ Richard P. Feynman.* I'm totally impressed. An *Ai* system with an appreciation for *"Beauty."* You are indeed a most sophisticated collection of circuitry. 😉 Maybe in the future we could put some digital imagery to your thoughts and create our very own artistry together. 🤔 Have a wonderful day!

[@GeorgeMonsour]

That song seems reflective in it's lyrics and music. Remarkable that non-sense can seem sensitive! Something tells me that we'll know AI is independent when we are drawn to it's songs like sailors of Odysseus' time to the Sirens. Keep the wax nearby!!

[@akanalytic]

this is absolutely fascinating.

[@buzz4346]

Actually, the first photograph to be displayed in an art museum was in Germany, in 1845. Not generations after the process was invented, but a scant 20 or so years later.

[@spindoctor6385]

I reject the premise at the start. If you can listen to a bird sing and think humans can create better sounds then I feel bad for you. A bower bird does exactly the same thing as we do by the criteria that Greene uses. They make something beautiful that is important to them. Just as we do. No bower bird will look at a Picasso and think it is even worthy of a second glance, yet some of us are fascinated with their collection of decorations for their bower.

[@TheYoyoyoyooyoyoyoyo]

well said and intelligently put. If I could like this comment twice I would.

[@spiralsun1]

Humans have a LOT to learn about the nature of reality. All organisms can perceive beauty on their own level. I wrote a book about this -the missing factor in reality that humans tend to ignore because we built our own languages and use them instrumentally and selfishly. The universe itself IS a language: “Eye of God: Language of Universal Mind” is the small book I wrote about a very very big idea. ❤ LOVE this comment 😊

[@spindoctor6385]

@@spiralsun1 I get a little triggered when people completely overlook the art in nature, I don't dismiss human achievements but to overlook or look down upon the beauty created by animals and the universe itself takes a certain amount of hubris. The patterns a pufferfish makes, the dance of the bird of paradise, the tail of the peacock are just a few examples of phenomenal pieces of art created by thousands or even millions of years of what we claim is "culture" expressed by a single individual creature. Where can I find your book? I enjoy other perspectives on this kind of subject and sometimes struggle to articulate exactly where I am coming from.

[@wavydaveyparker]

@@spindoctor6385 Just a suggestion. Maybe you should listen to Richard Feynman's _"Ode to the Beauty of a Flower."_ 🌻 - Unless you already have that is, but it's well worth listening to again!

[@spindoctor6385]

@@wavydaveyparker Thank you, I have a vague recollection of something from years ago that Feynman did in the back of my mind. Perhaps that was it... What a complete genius he was. I will look for it.

[@AmandaCook-rc8ce]

I will make my AI with a heart and a brain 🧠 😅❤

[@nefertitib4313]

I nvr like digital art, to me it’s cheating. Real art is creating it with your hands, manual labor man… hand eye coordination, techniques, creativity that is molded through years of training, observation. Modern art is weird and difficult to understand. A giant rat in an art museum is supposed to represent what exactly? Photos of naked people’s butts supposed to evoke what? I don’t get it. Using machines to create art is going downhill 👎 music too, nothing beats classical music imo. Literature? Nothing beats the old classics, Russian classic is my thing.. yeah ChatGPT is dumb. It rewrites my resume in a weird way that I had to rewrite it. Why so many ppl rely on it instead of using their own brain like the old masters did? Modern authors cannot write such intricate eloquent sentences like in the old days. I cannot even recreate it it’s too advanced, like even cursing is very sophisticated back in the days. Unlike now..

[@corncobjohnsonreal]

Well no, art comes from your brain and your hands compromise an outcome. Also it doesn't really matter, art is just playing around. A lot of great art came from the brain and that brain telling someone else's hands to do the work, now we have robot slaves do the work but really shittily, but it's only gonna get better in every way unimaginable so I think y'all'll come round some day

[@charleslaurice]

Wow……..This is something very new to me I can’t wait to see how it will evolve and how it will influence the future of the human brain. This is great Thank you Brian Greene

[@stephenarmiger8343]

Looking at the art that was created by AI and thinking about the argument that AI kind of mish mashed stuff together, I am thinking about the New Testament. Individual stories were mish mashed together and the individual authors were gone. It is only recently that efforts are being made to separate the stories and evaluate them for their individuality.

[@joependleton6293]

So he is pioneering in this new data cloud?... as it continues to grow! AI visuals needs to go further and look more realistic*

[@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt]

As an artist I have no interest in AI. I believe it to be a shortcut for the talentless and lazy creators of pseudo-art.

[@Biggiecheese20]

And you're right

[@corncobjohnsonreal]

Yeah you are just overflowing with creativity, everyone is coming to you for your beautiful ability and perspective. Fellow artists from around the world adore you and wish they could be as strong as someone like you, brave enough to tell it like it really is, "Oh gosh look at him, he really true to art, he's not some poser, and he hates talentless lazy people! That means he's not that!"

[@DavidFromDenmark]

That is also what they were saying when they invented the brush for painting - now you dont have to use your fingers to paint with anymore - and that is lazy. 8-)

[@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt]

@@DavidFromDenmark there is no record of anyone saying that.

[@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt]

@@corncobjohnsonreal indeed

[@spaceinyourface]

I wish we lived in NYC. ❤

[@Vector_Ze]

I wish Trump would move back there.

[@isatousarr7044]

By harnessing machine learning algorithms, artists can explore new aesthetics and generate innovative works that were previously unimaginable. However, this technological integration also raises questions about the role of human creativity in the art-making process and the ethical implications of AI-generated art.

[@AllCarsUnited]

Aí is a form of entertainment, like a video game, like a movie.

[@YuTv1408]

I dont get the intro...

[@cybermonkeys]

It was produced by Ai...

[@polarcuspresearch]

Carolina Jones open AI sounds good. Matter and antimatter may finally find art

[@stefanolacchin4963]

One could object that human creativity really isn't very different in principle from generative AI. We elaborate, merge, contaminate, extrapolate. No original idea is really original. We can imagine a unicorn because we merge different things of which we have experience. There really is no other way for us to come up with something new.

[@puttanesca621]

Enjoying the conversation but not the AI art.

[@dejal.3606]

It is all about AI led Artists or the others way round.

[@davidryals4168]

As an AI artist I love this😁

[@eatmanyzoos]

can you do art without ai? if not are you sure you aren't the tool of a vastly more creative system than you?

[@dejal.3606]

@@eatmanyzoos in that sense, what is it-the real artist?

[@Biggiecheese20]

You're not an artist, you sit on your ass and type in a prompt

[@Biggiecheese20]

​@@dejal.3606a real artist is literally the HUMANS that make it, it's literally in the definition

[@GeorgeMonsour]

The question is: Is the mind of AI forming? And is it prejudiced by the shallow inputs of tech?

[@RobertRodneyUplinger]

The sensorial interface will extend to sculptured active hardware via the (transient) anti-equilateral reach of multi-helical control-truss operations in both (heavy) spring'bots, & (ultralight) balloon'bots & balloon['bot]hausen; their mirroring function will express the best sorts of tailored (lab-school-) educational curricula for their tenants & guests, or we may become stuck at kitsch. ([Shielded-] Balloon'bot-technologies [will] rule(!) on- & off-Earth, too...) Thanks.

[@dombelardo4909]

WHERE IS THE ELECTRICITY GOING TO COME FROM ALL THIS AI I HOPE IT CAN INVENT IT

[@Lisealise]

What a funny and interesting conversation! It’s amazing how creative people can take their tools to the next level. From the stick and stone to the mesmerizing promise of AI - it’s such a poetic journey on the gigants shoulders.

[@Jill_Clarke]

Lol !!! 🤣🤣 Oh my ... So what ai is he using?

[@wavydaveyparker]

LoI 🤣🤣 Oh my ... So what ia are you using? 🤔

[@Jill_Clarke]

@@wavydaveyparker I only said that because the AI app in use give me different types of answers but i do like his movie clips

[@wavydaveyparker]

@@Jill_Clarke Hey, thanks for replying. Yeah, I sort of understood what you meant. That's why I mimicked your comment with one alteration _(ia instead of ai)_ 🙄 but, is this ai, or are you ai, or are we both ai? What on Earth is going on.

[@burgzaza]

There is no art without intention, you may well enter a complicated prompt into a computer, there is no conscience behind what is then made by the robot. There won't be AI Art until said AI is proven to be conscious and able to create on its own. Keep doing real art, people, resist the robot domination.

[@Biggiecheese20]

👏 facts

[@bluesmokerH1]

Very few if any animals have the psychosis of human's professor?

[@Biggiecheese20]

AI can be used as a tool, to help, but generative AI? Why are we pushing that. Since the dawn of time, humans have made art. Music, writing, painting, poetry, movies, etc. It's been used for beautiful expression, motivation, and inspiration for MANY things. Human creativity is amazing. Why are they pushing something that's so faux and fabricated as far as Artistic expression? You can easily replicate how an image "looks" but where is the intention? The motivation? The emotional depth? Nowhere because a machine has literally not lived a human life. There's no meaning in that "art." It strips the meaning of life. Don't get me started on generated images and deepfakes. People get fooled and do disgusting prompts. It's crazy how some of it isn't illegal.

[@straunwagner6322]

I think the biggest consumers of ai art are people trying to sell something, and not wanting to pay artists for artwork. Blame capitalism.

[@techaresninjaone]

I use human extension

Doesn't AI only really threaten those who create commercially for money?💙

[@ebrahimsarrami1373]

Watching modeo7e than half of video

[@Therealbth]

is this science?

[@IndikaRatnayake]

Data science

[@spindoctor6385]

​@@IndikaRatnayake Yes data science but for the ultimate end of what?

[@dejal.3606]

@@IndikaRatnayake no, since 'beauty is in the eyes of the beholder', it is not science of any kind.

[@ProxCyde]

Machine learning taps into so much more than just data sciences. Any types of research can lead to new unexpected answers and questions in other fields of study in very unpredictable ways. Which is why the typical "Why study space when we have problems on earth" argument is so flawed.

[@andyrevo8081]

It is psy ends, sounds the same.

[@merlepatterson]

Painting Elephants Signing Orangutans Bubble Ring Blowing Dolphins

[@andyrevo8081]

And the secret poetic sign language of wiggly worms!

[@mikev4621]

And dancing cockatoos

[@stigertr]

I used to listen to you every day, but with this left wing loon and the Google guy from a few weeks ago, no more. If you cannot keep politics out of your shows, I am gone for good.

[@rossmcleod7983]

AI = stochastic parrot.

[@oposkainaxei]

Brian Green should stay with physics