WHY WOULD OMNI-MAN DO THAT... *INVINCIBLE* (S1 - Part Four)

[@VKunia]

Sorry this took a lot longer than the last part, copyright issues but got around it just in time for you guys :) but aside from that MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE! HOPE YOU AND EVERYONE AROUND YOU HAS A GREAT DAY💖💖

[@CarlosDesmithy]

Merry Christmas 🎄! Thank you for the wonderful gift of just being you 😊!

[@khango6138]

Merry Christmas! Btw, its implied that Immortal was Abe Lincoln, or at least stood in his place.

[@agentspaniel4428]

Can't wait for you to watch season 2

[@b_g_c3281]

May you have a undeniably 🎄Merry Christmas🎄 (( and ❄️Blessed Yule❄️ )) and truly wonderful, truly 🎊Happy New Year🎉🕊🙏🏽💙🤍

[@agentspaniel4428]

In season 2 you'll find out that Nolan is fairly chill compared to other viltrumites

[@zionzzz3699]

The immortal was actually Abraham Lincoln lmao, thats the funniest part of his character imo

[@silentassason]

It's so funny that every single reactor I've seen has always thought he was Booth and not Lincoln 😂

[@cacho100uva]

@@silentassason I know, literally every single one

[@patrikcoh88]

I was today years old and I’ve watched it many times lol. It flashed by too quick for me to see. I just assumed he was at the theatre and saw the assassination.

[@cacho100uva]

@@patrikcoh88 hey, to be fair, I read the comic and that's probably the only reason I know he's one and not the other. I love the show but it does fail a few times to be clear about certain things.

[@morgankennedy6193]

@@cacho100uva Well he has Lincoln's face and not Booth's that was kinda the giveaway for me.

[@coadacatalin4510]

I said it before, and I'll say it again: Cecil is the best representation of a good man who has to do bad things to keep worse things from happening.

[@theswedishdude1]

nah Cecil is a bastard, Robot/Rudy would be the best representation of a good person working towards the greater good while being willing to do some bad.

[@Basshead004]

​@@theswedishdude1Cecil doesn't do things for himself, like Robot working with villains and stealing his teammates dna to get closer to his crush. Robot's a dick, he's just very good at acting like he isn't

[@mbpoblet]

I'm pretty certain Cecil would never call himself a good man. Or trust anyone who considered him one. And, yeah, he's a bastard. But he _does_ put his job above himself, so there's that. As for Rudy... that would be spoilers; let's just say he's got a very interesting character arc.

[@engteach1680]

The fact that Cecil hates himself is proof that he is ultimately a good man at his core. It's buried very deep down, but his foundation is one of service and sacrifice.

[@DCUEmp_prinzy]

@@Basshead004 someone has read the comics?

[@Mi3antropChallengeRuns]

Nolan calling Debbie a pet and all the other horrible words about humanity is actually him trying to talk himself into this as well. As seen in the flashback, his time on Earth actually did affect him. If he truly was still 100% loyal to Viltrum, he would've killed Debbie the moment she found out he murdered the Guardians. And when Nolan flew away, crying, it wasn't because he couldn't decide what to do. At that moment he did decide.

[@haystackbill6187]

He wouldn't have needed to kill Debbie tbf, after the Guardians were dead there was no real threat to him, that's why he killed them first. After that he could have done to the Earth what he did to the Flaxan's planet if he wanted, no problem.

[@morganf.1562]

I mean, he was't really wrong, she was like a pet to him. Pets like dogs and cats don't live long compared to humans, and for Nolan who already lived for 2000+ years her lifespan is like a hamster to us.

[@OttoGrainer27]

Disturbing that people are more reactive and offended by that term than anything else he says about humanity. There are far worse sins with how we treat and categorize life on this earth, than calling someone a pet. It's a particular nerve like every generation or class of people have that's "relevant" to their politics which writers love to milk. I love how it makes Omni-man a great character, but it's just tiresome because of how blindsided and insignificant the focus is compared to the immoral narrative shown in the show and real life. VKuna spent more time speaking and feeling that remark than any other point in the finale, like a wife's worth to her husband is more important and tear-jerking than anyone else who lost their life to his massacre. What a fucked up sensibility, I'm sorry I had to rant; it's the same as Amber playing pissy jealous for a guy who's the world's number one intel military asset, in a world where literal demons and aliens reign earth while she studies gender or art in uni. Get fucking real. No one watching this for the drama has any sense of scale or temperance for what that means, including the writers if I'm being literal. But if we're taking a backseat for entertainment, I can call any of you out for being overly engaged with one hypocrisy.

[@haystackbill6187]

@@OttoGrainer27 Bro wtf are you talking about us "being overly engaged with one hypocrisy"? You're taking this way too seriously, sit down and calm down. You clearly don't even know what you're talking about, you're just picking an argument with us for no reason.

[@crispford]

Yea and we need to realize that nolan comes from a brutal society.. Im wondering how viltrum trains children.. Probably let them have a pet and kills it after.. Or they make the children fight for survival or die.. Or just like that spartans did.. Throw the defective one on the cliff..

[@adrianng7339]

The scariest part about this is that Nolan is probably the nicest Viltrumite you'll ever see right now. The rest are practically much crazier.

[@TheBiggestPieceOfDogshit]

True

[@DjGrimmace]

Anissa entered the chat.

[@shockwave-e7g]

@@DjGrimmace Anissa is really bad but doesn't even comes close to Conquest

[@NameIsZ]

Episode 1: Omniman trains his son Episode 8: Omniman trains his son

[@edwardsorinio6511]

This comment is underrated 😂😂

[@soulscyther666]

What a good father, took his son to the Subway. Mark must be one happy kid to shove his face to all the meat.

[@abolfazlmd2398]

I'm dying😭😭😭

[@Ihavenobadintentions]

Overused ​@@edwardsorinio6511

[@samgomez9942]

​@@soulscyther666 Wtf does this comment even mean

[@josephtaylor3259]

The real question is, why would Mark make him do that?

[@appo9357]

Rebellious teen phase by not listening to his father.

[@TempestKrimps]

he's fighting so he can watch everyone around him die, is mark even thinking?

[@ncob12]

Exactly, like what will Mark have after 500 years? He's not thinking about the long run of this

[@god.usopp2yearsago115]

@@ncob12everything except his dad. The irony

[@urbent3147]

@@ncob12eve doesn’t have to age so once they’re together it’s cool

[@Abi_B1989]

To me personally, Nolan did love Debbie, but many people look at that scene from a human perspective, but even with a human perspective we can looooove deeply our dog or cat or hamster and they will still pass away far sooner than we will. Nolan does love Debbie but through the perspective of a practically immortal being.

[@tjarkschweizer]

From a certain point of view... Nolan is like those people who marry and fuck their pets 💀

[@mbpoblet]

We don't generally have sex (and children!) with our pets, though...

[@STarredNIght]

I honestly believe he loves Debbie completely, not even like a pet, Omni-man was just trying to convince himself he didn't because of all the viltrumite indoctrination he went through, let's be honest, he probably has hundreds of years worth of brainwashing to undo, 20 or so years on earth just weren't quite enough, i actually hate the fact they went with the whole "earth is a special place where viltrumites can learn compassion" bullshit, that's just the power of the plot forcing things that way, if a human can be convinced of something he learned to the point he'd kill himself for that idea in just a few decades, imagine how strong is the conviction of a character that was told things had to be that way for hundreds of years

[@Agent-57]

He does actually@@STarredNIght

[@tjarkschweizer]

@@STarredNIght Well, according to season two, earth isn't any special. The timeline we are following is just special.

[@joybhowmick7970]

Ironic, that Amber is talking about trust. She went to the party and hit on that dude, and things would have escalated if the dude didn't mention about her girlfriend.

[@RicoHelms]

Not to mention the fact she is angry at him, EVEN THOUGH HE SAVED HER AND WILLIAM AND SHE SHOUTED AT HIM FOR “being selfish” LIKE BITCH DIE

[@jonrazo7912]

Amber is the worst!

[@brittoncain5090]

Yeah, it seems like the writers tried to give Amber more character in the show than she does in the comics, and ended up making her kind of a bad person on accident.

[@dunringill1747]

The TV show screenwriters really fumbled the ball when they re-structured the Amber story line. They wound up making all the characters involved look inorganically bad, especially Amber.

[@JerginBootwyler]

And then i hate that they tried to make eve take ambers side "i didnt tell you to be an asshole about it"

[@diegopansini3152]

25:57 Thing is, he DOES love Debbie. He HAS changed. This entire fight was him trying to convince himself of the Viltrum cause, not Mark

[@unionblue21]

He’d have actually succeeded in turning Mark had he not called Debbie a pet.

[@Mayakran]

@@unionblue21I feel like that was a tipping point, but I don’t know if it was the only thing keeping Mark “good”

[@unionblue21]

@@Mayakran probably not but Mark was still convinced his father was good and was hearing him out. Had Nolan not called Debbie a pet he stood a pretty good chance of turning him.

[@rsmith8113]

For Nolan, Debbie is like a mouse or a gold fish. Her life span compared to his is probably even closer to an insect. It’s sad and wrong, but you can’t really blame him for trying to not get too attached to her.

[@Wouldyoukindly4545]

I think her life as a percentage of Nolan's is close to a year. Even goldfish live longer (under good conditions)

[@dunringill1747]

I did a little research on this subject. Here is what I found: According to Comic Vine, no Viltrumite is ever stated to pass the mark of 100,000 years old. Most average around 80,000 years - give or take. If we can assume the "time ratio feeling relative" (the story drops clues that support this) and the ratio of a Vitrumite living to 80,000 years to a human living to 80 years. 80,000 yrs / 80 yrs = a factor of 1,000 Same factor ratio by human standards - 80 years / 1,000 = 0.08 year Since 1 year = 365 days 0.08 x 365 days = 29.2 days So assuming the time ratio feeling relative - 80 years to a Viltrumite feels approximately like 29.2 days to a human. Debbie was already an adult when Nolan met her. His 20 years with her felt like around 7 1/2 days to him (30 ÷ 4 = 7.5). Her entire life would feel like a mini vacation for Nolan.

[@shvvagier4951]

@@dunringill1747 so less than a month

[@hulkslayer626]

Yeah, I've mentioned this same point in multiple reactions. It is ridiculous to expect someone to completely change their entire identity and purpose in life, turn their back on their family and people and home world all because you found a worker bee that was just so cute and needed help. Like... okay, When it dies, what do you do with the remaining 60+ years of your life now that you Gabe up everything you had/were for something that no longer exists?

[@swaswj414]

@@hulkslayer626 I feel like that's a false equivalence. It's an idea gets explored a lot in fantasy and sci-fi, so there's really a lot of layers to it that have been explored and examined. There's innumerable different takes on the long-life dilemma, and none of them are inherently wrong. The key factor is there's more to it than just the numbers. You can't connect with the worker bee because it's a bee, not a sapient being. In the flashback in episode 8, we can see Debbie engages with Nolan, she connects with him and challenges his thinking and teaches him new ideas, and it feels very likely that he genuinely loves her and that makes him afraid. "More like a pet" is probably indoctrination from the rules of interbreeding or straight denial, because no matter how short her life may be, she in some way completes him, and the thought of losing her is terrifying. The things he's shouting at Mark in the final moments are things he's clearly asked himself and doesn't have an answer for: "What will I have in 500 years when Debbie is gone?"

[@samuraishamploo3343]

This shows how Invincible lives up to his name. Its not his physical ability or power that quite makes him Invincible, but its his fighting spirit. No matter how outmatched he his, he still has the courage to fight for whats right. His spirit gave him the courage to stand up to his dad, even when he KNEW he wasnt gonna win.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

_"he still has the courage to fight for whats right"_ There's no such thing so it's like saying he has the courage to fight for what's morally orange.

[@Mayakran]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8psfor what most people watching would agree is “right.” Yes, value systems are subjective to some extent, but in this context moral relativism isn’t really relevant, lol.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@Mayakran "Value" is not subjective or objective, it's fictional, a myth, but that's not what I was talking about nor was "moral relativism" what I was talking about. Morality is never about "morally right" or "morally wrong" e.g. rape is neither accurate or inaccurate, rape is immoral because it's evil i.e. malevolent. EDIT: And before you start up about nihilism or "How can you say value is a myth?", nihilism is _stupid_ since meaning is everywhere around us and value is OBVIOUSLY made up, there was no "this amount of oxygen atoms is worth this amount of gold atoms or vice versa" before there was organic life with priorities i.e. oxygen and gold atoms did NOT line up at their local "value" stations to get a full tank of it unleaded because organic life was going to come onto the stage.

[@Mayakran]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps ….yeah I think we’re talking past each other here

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@Mayakran No, I understand you completely, I'm just clarifying why I made my earlier point.

[@alexanderren1097]

Everyone watching Episode 1: “Oh so he’s Superman with a mustache.” Everyone watching Episode 8: “He’s Vegeta with a mustache.”

[@BigGator5]

"Why did you make me do this? You're fighting so you can watch everyone around you die! Think, Mark! You'll outlast every fragile, insignificant being on this planet. You'll live to see this world crumble to dust and blow away! Everyone and everything you know will be gone! What will you have after 500 years?" "You, Dad. I'd still have you."

[@GiRR007]

Yep

[@Otchoe]

if you've read the comics then this dialogue is way sadder

[@rsmith8113]

@@OtchoeCan you tell me why? I’m actually very curious. Yes, Nolan was a pos but he did it for his race. He thought he’s doing the best for Earth

[@M1ke_Oxlong]

@@rsmith8113 I don't really want to spoil it. But essentially at the end of the series Mark has just about everything but his Dad after 500 years. Mark repeats his fathers words "What will I have after 500 years" and its the last dialogue in the entire series.

[@Otchoe]

@@rsmith8113 He knew that 'joining the viltrumite empire' was just a nice way of saying conquer, sure they might be brought more advanced technology, but in the end Earth would never have been free. There plan was to enslave the Earth and use it's resources, I can't remember if it's explicitly said but it's hinted that they would've used Earth and the human race as a breeding ground. The viltrumite empire' by that point only consisted of like 50 viltrumites, their main priority was repopulation, so Nolan and other viltrumites were sent to conquer and breed different planets. Also the sad part in regards to the 500 year part is that at the end of the run Mark has everything, a wife, children, an empire and peace. He has everything except his father, Nolan. He dies in the viltrumite war, the last real war in the comics. After that we get a 500 year flashforward.

[@Luster...]

19:47 I think it was hinted that the Immortal was Lincoln.

[@salvadormartinez8577]

It’s not hinted - it’s shown

[@lizzbethgaming8103]

The Immortal wasnt't wasn't john wilkes booth, he was Lincoln.

[@crispy_retrodude9463]

Ironically this isn’t even true either, in the official biography of the immortal it mentions that the immortal replaced abraham lincoln after his death

[@Man77772]

@@crispy_retrodude9463bro what ? Lincoln was already confirmed dead how could he have been replaced?

[@thedoctor4327]

Mark’s body: Maybe not so Invincible. Mark’s morals, heroic resolve, loyalty to humanity, and love for his family (despite one of them being an abusive and imperialist a$$hole): Invincible

[@diegopansini3152]

His invincible willpower, yes. His morals though are a little shaky despite leaning towards good. That’s what I like about him, he has both his mother’s humanity and his father’s “issues” to deal with, as he’s no Peter Parker. I swear, a telltale game about him would be a major success

[@ved2360]

That's kind of the point of Mark as a character foil to Omni-Man. Omni-Man is a Viltrumite fascist who glorifies strength and violence. Mark wins the moral victory simply by enduring and outlasting the strength of his enemies. Omni-Man won the battle, but Invincible won the war.

Nolan's face when he says "make another kid" always makes me laugh, he looks so unhinged.

[@Kratosx23]

Nolan is actually a pretty compassionate Viltrumite, all things considered. He's not even close to the worst of them.

[@Raether608]

Ol' Man Conq

[@jgrAnimations23]

Why does everyone think he was john wilkes booth he was honest abe himself 😂

[@bennywark3103]

I knew it was him

[@mbpoblet]

Well, not _that_ honest, was he? What with hiding his powers, and faking his own death, and all that...

[@MrTHEMONEEMAKER]

Seriously

[@dannybob42]

Yeah...character growth...about that... honestly a lot of people agree that Amber knowing Mark was Invincible all along and being mad about him keeping it from her was dumb, I mean there has been plenty of cases where it's the logical choice, plus she gave him a lot of grief for being late or having to run off while playing oblivious to it all, it wasn't the best of looks for her btw, the Immortal was Abe Lincoln, not John Wilkes Booth

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

It doesn't matter when Amber figured out he's a superhero, Mark strung her along for _five months,_ it's not a "one of them is the innocent party goodguy" in the scenario.

[@dannybob42]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps strung her along isn't the choice of words I'd use for this situation, would you tell someone you were dating for less than half a year that you were a superhero? Bearing in mind that they started dating about a week after he got his powers and a fair fraction of that relationship was likely spent not interacting since Mark was in hospital or on Mars. Every time Mark has been late or called away it's been forced upon him outside of his intentions, he's apologized and tried to balance it out, Amber knows why this happens but still accuses him of not prioritizing her even though she could've told him that she knew

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@dannybob42 _"strung her along isn't the choice of words I'd use for this situation,"_ But that is exactly what is going on. _"would you tell someone you were dating for less than half a year that you were a superhero?"_ As I say elsewhere in the comments here, it's basically "Unofficial superhero rule to avoid being an a-hole: You get three months of dating a normal person then you either come clean to that person or you break it off. Because there's a limit to how much lying to someone's face you do, no matter how much good we do at superheroing." No matter how badly Amber behaves or how horrible she is as a person Atom Eve is entirely right when she basically goes "I didn't tell you to string her along for five months, Mark! What is wrong with you?!" So to answer you, yes, I would have told her by then because _otherwise I would have no business dating her, being an a-hole stringing her along._ _"Bearing in mind that they started dating about a week after he got his powers"_ So what? _"and a fair fraction of that relationship was likely spent not interacting since Mark was in hospital or on Mars."_ Yeah, which is part of how he's stringing her along _because she didn't sign up for that,_ that's what being strung along means. _"Every time Mark has been late or called away it's been forced upon him outside of his intentions,"_ No, it hasn't. He has _a superhero suit for the occasion._ He's intentionally being a superhero. He's not living his life like a sleeper agent who gets activated, does the mission and then gets his mind wiped so he goes back to Amber and tells her what he's been doing as per his false implanted memories! _"he's apologized and tried to balance it out,"_ So what? He's actively stringing her along and lying to her face. No amount of heartfelt apologies and trying genuinely to... how do I put it, "bribe" her to overlook him not "playing his role in a relationship" makes him not actively stringing her along and lying to her face. _"Amber knows why this happens but still accuses him of not prioritizing her even though she could've told him that she knew"_ To my recollection Amber never makes the argument Mark is to prioritize her. And her knowing does not excuse Mark's behavior. And her telling him that she knows or witholding that she knows from Mark also does not excuse Mark's behavior. We can argue that her witholding that she knows from Mark is Amber stringing Mark along but that would be about HER behavior, not about HIS behavior and HIS behavior is the basis of Amber not un-dumping him.

[@god.usopp2yearsago115]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps3 months? Lmao that’s not even enough time to trust a regular person let alone share your superhero identity. Your attempts at defending amber are amusing and frankly, pathetic to see. She thinks her soup kitchen is more important than mark saving lives out there and can’t understand why he will be away even after knowing he is a supe. She just wants his attention and does actually care about what he does. If she already knows mark is a supe, she should have this much thinking capacity to understand why he wouldn’t immediately announce it to her. Gtfo with your amber meatriding

[@Mayakran]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8psI mean, you can try to make sense of it, but the writers between episodes 6 and 7 miscommunicated. In 6 they wrote Amber as literally having no idea Mark is a superhero. In 7, she’s known all along. Her behavior just doesn’t line up.

[@vinster0937]

I think it's really funny when people say that Mark was a terrible boyfriend when he didn't do anything wrong.

[@jordanarchuleta1649]

I will cut Mark some slack because he is still young. However, he DID mess up. From a realistic lense, if you're a superhero, you know that dating someone will put them in danger. You can't just date anybody. If you're a hero and want to be in a relationship, you should make sure you can trust them and are willing to tell them what you do. She has a right to be upset. If he wasn't sure, he should have stayed friends with her instead until he was sure he could trust her with his secret. "I'm a hero" isn't an excuse to make someone feel unimportant. The relationship matters too.

[@silentassason]

​@@jordanarchuleta1649glad I'm not the only one who has this point of view on it. Then again it took me a while to finally come to this conclusion. Tho the show does do a terrible job of properly showing that doing this for half a year is a reasonable reason to be upset.

[@jordanarchuleta1649]

@silentassason same, I didn't understand why she would be upset until I took the time to really think about it from her point of view. It's a shitty situation to feel the need to save others while you should also be making your partner feel loved. But that's why you have to trust the other person enough before jumping into a relationship like that.

[@silentassason]

​@@jordanarchuleta1649yeah. They should have stayed broken up the first time she wanted to break it off. But Mark couldn't see he can't handle both a relationship and being a hero and kept stringing her along and making plans for the future for the both of them while continuing to do the same actions that caused the want for the break up to begin with.

[@Alte.Kameraden]

@@jordanarchuleta1649 Well I think the issue with that argument is, she finds out eventually he is a super hero. Doesn't let him know she knows. Trust is important yes, but plausible deniability is necessary. It isn't just about trust, but safety. Anyone, and I mean anyone some how gets their hands on the information that Mark is Invisible. Anyone who knows/love will be a target including Amber herself. So I'd say he has a very good reason for keeping that secret and Amber should understand. Who knows, Amber's laptop could be listening to her in her sleep, so even if he trusted her it's still dangerous. They'd have to get Cecil involved to keep Amber's toys from spying on her like Google/Apple love to do.

[@intendedexpression6609]

Regardless of how short their lives are, you still love your pets and the short time you spent with them. Nolan definitely loves Debbie.

[@transformersrevenge9]

The cool thing is, the comic this is based on, has a definitive ending. And they are gonna try to cover all of it in 6-7 seasons. And well, each season is gonna not only get bigger, but also better. We have seen nothing yet. And another cool thing is that the author of the comic is working on the show, and he is rewriting/rearranging a lot of stuff that maybe didn't work as well when he wrote it in his 20s. So yeah, hopefully there will be no more big gaps between seasons, and we will have a decade of invincible seasons coming.

[@austintrimm1482]

I did not know that, and it is so encouraging to hear after what felt like terrible writing in season 2. I really hope you are right.

[@transformersrevenge9]

@@austintrimm1482 what was so terrible about season 2?

[@austintrimm1482]

​@@transformersrevenge9 Episodes 2 and 3 were far worse than 1 and 4, to be fair, and I was so confused with the discrepancy, that I looked up the writers of those bad episodes and found that they produced trash in the past (Matt Lambert wrote Ep. 2, Adria Lang wrote Ep. 3). These two episodes were mostly filler, but the bad writing comes in with character continuation, such as the fact that Robot stops fighting remotely with no justification for why (explanation is not good reason), and Amber still exists. LOL sorry, but what I mean is that at the end of Season 1, Amber broke up with Mark after badly gaslighting and mistreating him. She went from being a narcissist to being sweet and supportive, and that is fine, but there is no good explanation for why, or transition to her arc. There is also no explanation for how they are back together suddenly, and the fact that Amber did not have to grow as a person to earn it leaves a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths. There are other issues with the writing, such as bland dialogue (but maybe that is a comic problem, I didn't read the comics), but on the production side there are also problems, the best description of which I found on Reddit right here: www.reddit.com/r/Invincible/comments/17n9ke6/did_the_show_change_or_bring_on_writers_for/ Sorry for the rant! The second half of Season two is set up pretty well after the last episode.

[@NeverOhVer]

The Immortal didn’t kill Lincoln, he IS Lincoln. He felt bad when John Wilkes Booth was killed because technically he didn’t kill anybody.

[@liveinamber1307]

Robot's storyline is by far my favourite in Invicible. The fact that this deformed man literally cloned himself so that he could be with the person he likes is both beautiful and tragic at the same time. He barely knows her and yet he's ready to go this far. (EDIT: Also the "so you freed villains, cloned Rex in secret and you expect us to trust you?" "I... Yes." is such an autism moment. So relatable. This is why I love Robot. He's such a goof.)

[@spongybananas6967]

Not sure if you’ve read the comics but he’s my favourite character in the comics in terms of development. Especially what happens much later down the line

[@michaelstollard7126]

OMG he's totally autistic you're right. The complete lack of awareness with that "yes?" Is so funny now. I did always like Rudy now I know why

[@Dekuoni]

Just wait to see what he turns into lol

[@liveinamber1307]

Yes, as a matter of fact I know the full story. I still like him though.

[@iansrife5107]

Actually, in his condition, how did he even get his robot setup in the first place?

[@jojogarlin8369]

When Omni Man called Debbie a pet he meant like life span wise. When you have pets you love them but deep down you know that their life span is short compared to yours so even though he does love Debbie he's tries not be too attached. To be fair Omni Man has been alive for over hundreds of years and has had Viltrumite philosophy engrave to him since he was a child. Its not so easy to break something like that compared to other Viltrumites Omni man is basically a softie

[@AceOfSerberit]

Considering the flashback during the fight, and the tear he shed. I'm convinced that a good portion of his speech was Omniman trying to convince himself

[@mbpoblet]

Yeah, as Allen said, a Viltrumite abandoning their post is unheard of, but Debbie and Mark managed to make him go native to such an extent that he needed all that to convince himself not to be the first one... and it wasn't enough.

[@unionblue21]

That is literally what it was, Nolan was battling his Viltrumite brainwashing.

[@athernandez666]

"I'd still have you" I cried like a little bitch, man.

[@skribblestyle]

"WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 500 YEARS!?" "You, dad... I'd still have you..." One of the most brutal exchanges ever written.

[@haystackbill6187]

He did love Debbie and Mark, and even cares about the human race. This entire episode was just him trying to convince himself as much as convince Mark to help him assimilate the Earth into the Viltrum Empire. He was just distancing himself from those feelings so he could do his job even if it meant killing Mark. If you wanna know what it looks like when he doesn't care look no further than the Flaxans and their civilization in episode 2. In fact Nolan planned on living out Debbie's and Mark's lives originally before resuming his mission to take over the planet for the Empire, but when Mark told him he got his powers, that's why he looked so disappointed and shortly after killed the Guardians, because he realized that now Mark would live as long as him at least, and that he couldn't delay his mission any longer, and that disappointed him because he did enjoy his time on Earth and loved his family.

[@jkeuwk]

"I'd still have you." First time I ever cried at a comic book. Glad it still hits twenty years later.

[@kilzitxd45]

A lot of people love their pets, have funerals and cry over them. You also understand they have significantly shorter lives. That’s what Omniman meant. Plus what do you think an entire viltrumite army would do?

[@Mayakran]

He was emotionally distancing himself from her, he doesn’t ACTUALLY think of her like a pet-she was his wife.

[@alexanderren1097]

I know the Maulers say that Robot gave them bad specs for that control collar but I prefer to believe the specs were good but Immortal was just SO angry that he overpowered it. Also, I love how the Maulers react when Immortal rips off the collar

[@dunringill1747]

I took it that way as well. Immortal's rage overcame the control collar.

[@tristanrafael6731]

I think she needs a hug after this scene... She looks very traumatized 28:13

[@danieldickson8591]

Everything Nolan said to Mark about what he thinks of Humanity, and about Debbie, he was actually trying to convince himself that he still believed in Viltrum's doctrine. But his time on Earth really did change him. Nolan has a long hard journey ahead of him.

[@davidgrider4302]

Debbie is the real HERO. She raised a good son. MVP

[@grimerime23]

it wasn't the beam itself that killed everything, that'd be like saying a nuke shouldn't have a huge explosion because of how "small" the body of the nuke is.

[@Kade_Kapes]

Damn, I literally just watched this pop up in the subscription tab lol. That’s never happened before.

[@VKunia]

Had to show you something new for christmas hehe LMAO merry christmas :)

[@ИванФилатов-у2з]

Remember one single thing. Nolan has lived with Viltrum's ideology for hundreds of years. We know many stories about how people who lived in an environment with a certain philosophy could not recover and open up to something new in the future. In the case of Nolan, everything is a thousand times worse, because he really has lived so long and is so superior to the vast majority of life forms that people are literally equal to insects for him. And despite all this, just 17 years of living on Earth as a husband for Debi and a father for Mark have changed him. He did not want to kill his son and take over the planet, as his duty dictates. This is an incredible progress for someone who, in principle, cannot be measured by our standards of morality.

[@dubbcee1000]

Why do most reactors think that the immortal was john Wilkes booth. He's got the same eyes and hairline as Lincoln in the flashback

[@TheSunwalkers686]

Greatest reactor of all time 🤷‍♂️

[@VKunia]

😭😭💖

[@lifeisberserk9566]

Most beautiful to

[@DanielGonzalez-xu1hi]

Debbie being a pet to omni man is so terrible but true in a way. Our life time literally feels like nothing to Viltrumites. Its like getting dog. U love them but you know you will eventually outlast them.

[@Depre666]

24:46 I felt the same way like the way Omni-Man called his wife a Pet ☹️

[@b_g_c3281]

Amber was horribly written. In the comic, she was quite different, that is to say, quite better. In this tv-adaptation, she was written into being a Covert Narcissist with a hint of Machiavellian.:: ▫️ She blackmails the highschool bully into being a kind of errand-boy and probe to ascertain whether Mark was interested in him. ▫️After Mark had fully recovered from being hit by a bus [[ _in actuality, recovered from being _*_nearly beaten to death_*_ by Battle Beast_ ]] Amber goes back to her behaviors of being unwilling to listen _and yet_ highly expectant of nothing less than flawless attentiveness and punctuality [[ ...and as far I'm concerned, of being constantly _servile_ in the relationship ]] ▫️ At the college campus, she witnessed the most easily solvable 'mystery' disappearance of Mark, _seconds before the all-of-a-sudden, out-of-nowhere arrival of Invincible_ who saves both she and William just in the nick of time... But instead of conveying even subtly that she knows that Mark is Invincible, she berates and shames him; accusing him of cowardice and being untrustworthy... In retrospect, it seems thoroughly clear that she had correctly deduced that Mark is Invincible and _therefore_ understood the real reason why he 'disappeared' _as well as_ why he would often be late for their dates... _and yet..._ ▫️ Once Mark discloses his secret identity, instead of exhibiting even a scintilla of a willingness to understand [[ _to _*_empathize_* ]] instead, she condemns him for... (?!?)not trusting her enough(?!?), when their relationship hadn't even reached half-a-year... Amber was rewritten from an intelligent, pleasant, kindhearted idealist (( in the comic )), into someone who's seemingly a good-natured social reformer/civil advocate, but in actually is a self-centered, manipulative, would-be dominatrix....

[@Morten_Storvik]

Okay so 1. She gives a bully a taste of his own medicine. 2. Amber probably knew Mark was lying to her face already. 3. Most people are not happy about their partner lying to their face. 4. Why would she be happy with him? He exposes her to potential dangers without given her the option to consent to said dangers, he is not open to her about the things that he goes through and he only decides to be open to her *AFTER* she has broken up with him. What i see here is a person that is justifiably angry at Mark.

[@Mayakran]

The writers of episodes 6 and 7 apparently didn’t really *talk* to one another, lol.

[@Grf1556]

Odd, I just got done reading the comic and in it Amber was a dumb airhead who only really cared about partying. In what supplement book is this intelligent and interesting version of Amber you speak of.

[@austintrimm1482]

@b_g_c3281 Thank you for this cathartic take on the most hated side character in superhero lore. I can tell you saw Derek's video. I did not immediately understand just how terrible Amber is when first watching the show (just that something felt wrong), and I understand that reactors don't have time to process why before posting. I just hate that in Season 2 they don't acknowledge what she did or explain why she is still there after she broke things off. No explanation for how or why she got back together with Mark. It feels like purposeful lazy writing, but after looking up the writers of episodes 2 and 3 and their previous work, I'm not surprised.

[@FrostbiteDigital]

@@Morten_Storvik Amber defender. Opinion invalidated

[@Dudeamis17]

I didn't know I was a sadist until I started watching people watch this episode, the train scene is just so horrific and yet I can't stop watching people watch it. I'm sorry you experienced that.

[@Lich_King_Cos_21]

In film theory matpat mentioned that to Nolans Canon lifespan and Debbie's lifespan . Debbie would be the age of a carnival goldfish compared to Nolan if Nolan would have been a human thats how short her lifespan is . I recommend you this video in your own time it really gives you alot more insight in Nolans perspective

[@silentassason]

True. Still a fked up thing to say tho lol

[@Mayakran]

Well, you can’t have conversations with a goldfish, and you certainly can’t have children with them lol

[@jaketrovillion6159]

Next up is the Atom Eve Special Episode, then the first half of Season 2. You're going to love it!

[@AnonymousTheThird]

Weird, but I don't like S2 so far. The writing is still good (close enough to the comic), but execution - shockingly weak.

[@nathanielhollas8471]

I love the hand motions Omniman does to chop The Immortal in half, something about it just looks so precise and smooth, from left to right and rips him in half

[@Luster...]

After this comes season 2 part 1. Part 2 comes early 2024. Highly recommend reading the comics if you can't wait for the show to be animated.

[@salvadormartinez8577]

She’ll love the Atom Eve episode too! Can’t skip that

[@Saiman9000]

And spoiler. The character of Amber was race swapped from the comics.

[@mekareactsandreviews3026]

The problem with ppl watching both seasons back to back...their going to have a hard time digesting the next...Their going to go into with all that hate towards Omiman...Where the rest of us had time to get over it 😅

[@tjarkschweizer]

The worst part for me was being a huge fan of Allan and not having read the comics...

[@mekareactsandreviews3026]

@@tjarkschweizer Just keep watching...😌

[@MarijnvdSterre]

25:55 Hey! Nolan did/does love Debby! Don't you love your pets? Some people love their pets more as other people. It is still massively messed up of course.

[@iampotsataja]

What a lovely family oriented show to release for christmas. Before you start s02, watch the Atom Eve special. And happy holidays V, hope you're having a good one 😊

[@username-gs2tp]

no worries about the wait, love your reactions regardless, amazing video as always! Keep being awesome!

[@daved2352]

I love how the immortal comes back to life so immediately red hot and furious.

[@Anakinvoorhees]

Omni-Man’s kill streak was insane after that. Must have leveled up at least 50 times

[@molossuspraetor]

merry christmas vkunia! i am loving seeing you react to invincible and i hope to see you watch the second season!!

[@thedeep6570]

"He was John Wilkes booth?" No he was lincoln

[@anibalbarca9549]

I always hated how emotional manipulative Amber is

[@TheJerbol]

Personally I chalk it up to the writers just collectively losing their minds for a couple episodes

[@Noble_W]

@@TheJerbol yeah pretty much, robert kirkman (The creator of Invincible) has even stepped out and asaid he apologizes for how she was handled in season 1. They fixed her in season 2 so its okay!

[@anibalbarca9549]

@@Noble_W yeah, but they kinda over fixed her dont they? Cuz it feel so drastic the change that its just unnatural. And now it feels Amber doesn't even have a personality. I mean... i know its important for the story i guess... but maybe at this point the best thing to do for the animation would have been to just disappear amber for good.

[@Mayakran]

She really doesn’t make much sense. If you imagine a character as a structure made of moving parts, hers don’t quite line up, lol.

[@Noble_W]

@@anibalbarca9549 i mean she is important to a degree in the story of invincible (i’m not going into detail assuming you haven’t read the comics) and she is much more like season 2 amber in the comics. season 1 amber wasnt like comics amber at all hence why they changed her so much in terms of her being upset towards mark for lying about being a superhero.

[@Jchomze]

kinda hard to fault him for his mentality tho... its like trying to care for something you knew for a day knowing that it'll be dead tomorrow. not justifying it or anything but we really are like ants to him

[@dunringill1747]

The TV show screenwriters really fumbled the ball when they re-structured the Amber story line. They wound up making all the characters involved look inorganically bad, especially Amber. "Think, Mark! THINK!" - I think Omni-Man was trying to convince himself. *Omni-Man was telling the truth when he said his life on Earth felt like a speck of time for him.* Viltrumites live for an EXTREMELY long time. I could be remembering this wrong, but I think a clue dropped at one point when Omni-Man said "he remembered something from yesterday" and Debbie corrected him saying "that happened years ago". That clue might have been from the show or the comics, I don't remember. I believe episode 1 Omni-Man was hoping that both Debbie and Mark would die of old age and never find out his true mission on Earth. Once Mark got his powers, Nolan knew it meant he couldn't wait for Mark to "age out". Therefore, Nolan had to stop his little "vacation" and get back to work conquering Earth. SIDEBAR SPECULATION ON VILTRUMITE AGING AND WHY DEBBIE WOULD FEEL LIKE A PET: To give a perspective of time for Omni-Man: When Omni-Man crushed Red Rush's head, it lasted less than a second but felt like hours to Red Rush. Omni-Man has the opposite problem. According to Comic Vine, no Viltrumite is ever stated to pass the mark of 100,000 years old. Most average around 80,000 years - give or take. If we can assume the "time ratio feeling relative" and the ratio of a Vitrumite living to 80,000 years to a human living to 80 years. 80,000 yrs / 80 yrs = a factor of 1,000 Same factor ratio by human standards - 80 years / 1,000 = 0.08 year Since 1 year = 365 days 0.08 x 365 days = 29.2 days So assuming the time ratio feeling relative - 80 years to a Viltrumite feels approximately like 29.2 days to a human. Debbie was already an adult when Nolan met her. Her entire life would feel like a mini vacation to him. It was Debbie's short lifespan that made her feel more like a "pet" to Nolan.

[@Agent-57]

Nolan does love his family as you see him leaving Earth for them which is a death sentence. And that alone is far more than most humans. Nolan lived for more that a thousand years, we are to him the same as insects are to us. So the fact that just in 17 years which is a very very little speck of his life, he grew to love his son is astounding. When you say "How can you think one life is superior to another" we already do that. Do we care when we eat plants ? They are still life forms. Or when we wash our hands ? Bacterias are single cell but they are still alive. This is best put by Death in Supernatural "You have an inflated sense of your importance. To a thing like me, a thing like you, well... Think how you'd feel if a bacterium sat at your table and started to get snarky. This is one little planet in one tiny solar system in a galaxy that's barely out of its diapers. I'm old, Dean. Very old. So, I invite you to contemplate how insignificant I find you." That is exactly how viltrums think of most others. Like how we think of microorganisms

[@hypershadow87]

*100% logical and correct.*

[@solarbear26]

The pet line is so interesting. People are so offended when Nolan attributes it to a human life... Debbie.... However Nolan isn't human. Ask a dog owner how they feel about their pet and I bet most would risk their lives to save them and consider them as much a part of their family as their own kids... Nolan DOES love Debbie. That's why I love this line soooo much.

[@Mayakran]

Eh, he loves her like we love our partners, he’s just saying that as a part of his trying to convince himself he doesn’t care.

[@solarbear26]

@@Mayakran could be that too... Many little moments and interactions with Debbie, like the baseball scene changed him so his viewpoints like "a pet" are him covering up how he actually feels? You might be right.

[@Mayakran]

@@solarbear26 yeah, there are a ton of little moments. For instance, there are times where he gets upset when he’s concerned about losing Debbie or her affection. He continually tells her he loves her, he regards her as equal in importance to Mark in his plans, during his “practice speech” he tells imaginary Mark that he loves him AND his mother, etc.

[@scope40k]

I remember the first video I watched on your channel - it was reaction to Castaway. It's been really interesting few years since then, where you grew into a fully adult and beautiful young lady, having your own apartment and such, while I was busy getting more grey in my hair, getting my life together. You were totally terrified that first (for me) time, just of watching a plane crash, and look at you now, dealing with some serious stuff, like Invincible getting 'trained' by Nolan, getting truly excited by Oppenheimer, starting to put some spicy words in your vocabulary now and then 😏. Don't know what comes next, but thank you for sharing your thoughts and emotions, it's being a great few years so far, so I wish you and your channel to grow, and prosper, and bloom, as yourself. Keep up the good work 👍 Pardon my English, I'm not a native speaker.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

So Fun Fact: The subway train scene was adapted for Mortal Kombat 1 as Omni-Man's "FINISH HIM move.

[@jayblescashews]

Seeing this show through her eyes made me feel differently than when i watched this alone

[@rednova2212]

About the end comments about how fragile we are as humans. Yeah, we are very fragile. Get the wrong wires crossed, or spill the wrong fluids into the wrong streams or the wrong parts mixed with the wrong other parts with our body. The wrong injury to just one part of us can take us out. Or just one part going out for us with age is enough for us. In the comic though, Viltrumites are *UNBELIEVABLY* more resilient. __COMIC SPOILERS AHEAD__ Near an alien planet, Mark, his alien (rapidly aged forward brother) and his father end up in a fight which leaves Mark with a wound and his guts hanging out in space. They're defeated, but left rather than finishing the job (or was it that Nolan finished the fight? I forget, that issue was a while ago for me.) Marks brother and father took him planetside, pushed his guts back into his body and wrapped him up. Without medical equipment, on a planet not even into the prehistoric era, the two watched over Mark, ate mostly uncooked Alien meat and fed Mark the liquids from the aliens to keep them all alive, and Mark made an entirely full recovery. Yeah, Viltrumites are EXTREMELY durable and powerful. The only thing that's comparable might be Allen.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

"I don't know how the cameras are keeping up with them." lol. Well, VKunia, they're keeping because there ARE no cameras. it's all animated. And done extremely well. The fact that you actually had that thought shows just HOW well the animation is.

[@xenotanto8537]

She was wondering how the in universe cameras were keeping up with the high speed fight, as the guardians were watching it on a screen.

[@sensaiuriah5440]

​@@xenotanto8537 idk if he was being serious, but he really thought he was cooking 😂

[@askandanswer1503]

Imagine instantly going from only empire in the world to planetary genocide someones got their word associa down😂

[@ved2360]

One of the subtle bits of characterization from Robot/Rudy's cloning process is how he's different from the Mauler Twins. The Mauler Twins need the process to be seamless and leave doubt about who the original is. They squabble constantly about who the clone is because they're narcissists who assume the strong should rule and exploit the weak -- and of course, the original must be perfect in every way. They don't for a moment hesitate to throw the other one under the bus. And if they had any capacity for self-reflection or empathy, they wouldn't be attempting to seize the White House with guns under the assumption that people will just obey a brute show of strength. They assume what must be true for them is also true of Robot. However, Rudy/Robot does have compassion and empathy, and the new Rudy offers to build a shared future together as allies, but still nonetheless respects the old Rudy's wishes to die. I feel this is one of the core themes of Invincible. The Mauler Twins are the Viltrumite ideology writ small. Narcissistic, cruel and self-defeating. The thing is that neither the Maulers nor Omni-Man are stupid, despite their great physical strength. They're both cunning, cultivated and deliberate in their violence. They're artists and masters of their craft. But they squander their talents for nothing more than empty vanity. Neither are truly capable of happiness as they are.

[@veryvery2155]

The Immortal was Lincoln 😅

[@GEKGanon]

I think a lot of people miss what it means to Nolan during the flashback when Debbie is telling him "As we get older, it is harder to have that feeling. The weight of the world bogs us down." , in light of the fact he's thousands of years old.

[@kinderjoker]

Why does everyone think Immortal was JWB? He literally looks like AL without his hat... 🤦‍♂

[@GiRR007]

Ok here we go... about to watch amber again. Just let me prepare myself. 😤

[@emessar]

Invincible is a really awesome show. Can't wait for you to watch season 2. Note that it's only the first half of the season. The other half will come later. Also, there is a single episode just for Atom Eve that I think you'll love as well.

[@kamo124]

The line "in the grand scheme of things...." always gets me.

[@michaelriddick7116]

"👉THINK MARK! THINK!👈 " 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣 And thus one of the best meme templates ever was formed! 😂🤣😂🤣

[@KurNorock]

I really don't get why every reactor channel thinks Immortal assassinated Lincoln. It's so obvious that he WAS Lincoln.

[@johnnk3256]

Nolan is like 1000s of years old, and he would live for 50 to 60 thousand years. The twenty years he spent on Earth is like a few days. Debbie and Mark were truly just like insects, until Mark got his powers.

[@Mayakran]

In the comics it explains that as Mark grew older and it seemed like he wasn’t going to have any powers, Nolan got used to the idea of waiting another 60 years until Debbie and Mark had died and THEN start his reign of terror. Mark turning out to have inherited his father’s Viltrumite abilities is what “reminded” Nolan of his real mission.

[@stoic0012]

Okay before I start my rant I want to say, this really is a great show. I love the ending of this season bc you can see that even though Mark lost the physical battle, he definitely won the psychological and emotional battle. Now, this is why I can't stand Amber's character. She admits she knew that he was a superhero, but bc he didn't tell her his SECRET IDENTITY she gets mad!? And then after seeing the massive fight he has with his father she just goes back to him like she didn't just dump him for the dumbest reason ever. I completely agree with your assessment that Amber was not a feasible long-term partner for him. Mark deserved better.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

_"Now, this is why I can't stand Amber's character. She admits she knew that he was a superhero, but bc he didn't tell her his SECRET IDENTITY she gets mad!?"_ Yes. Because he strung her along for _five months._ It's basically "Unofficial superhero rule to avoid being an a-hole: You get maybe three months of dating a normal person then you either come clean to that person or you break it off. Because there's a limit to how much lying to someone's face you do, no matter how much good we do at superheroing." _"And then after seeing the massive fight he has with his father she just goes back to him like she didn't just dump him for the dumbest reason ever."_ It's not the dumbest reason ever. I'm not saying Amber's great or anything, for example she could have handled the whole "Where were you?" scene better if she'd already figured it out by that point. _"Mark deserved better."_ '"Deserving" is a narcissist myth.

[@joshuawedgeworth9824]

"I'd still have you dad.." those words cut through omniman like a knife through butter.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

I just realized Mark's treatment of Amber (no matter how good or bad a person she is), as Eve puts it, "stringing her along for five months while being an asshole", actually reflects Nolan's "she's more like... a pet".

[@Mayakran]

He wasn’t asshole, though. The writers of episode 6 and 7 apparently didn’t communicate well with each other, lol.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@Mayakran He _was_ being an asshole. A non-asshole would have broken up with her or told her what situation she was in. It's called superdickery, look it up.

[@Evan-k]

Marks treatment of amber? Don't you think you should be looking at it the other way? Amber is a manipulative gaslighting child, she wasn't into mark till he was hanging out with eve, she blackmailed todd instead of just talking to mark, she "knew" he was invincible and still acted like he was abandoning her, she literally is textbook narcissism

[@shade2138]

I mean... For an "alien" race that super strong and survived fighting his own people to death just to be in that position and lived for thousands of years... Yeah he would be like that, he won't feel remorse or empathy towards beneath him. It's like us humans, we kill insects because we can and we're disgusted with them. If I asked some people would they annihilate mosquitos if they have the power to do it, I'm sure they would be glad to mass unalive all mosquitos or cockroaches. Nolan may look like a human but he is an alien. Although I can say that because of the time he spent on earth, I think he developed a little bit of remorse or familial emotion. That's why he said what he felt towards Debbie is like a pet. You know, like us, we really love our pets (dogs, cats, etc.) so, I think what Nolan said is his true feelings towards Debbie.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

William IS NOT right. Mark was NOT a terrible boyfriend to Amber. SHE was a terrible girlfriend. and worse she kept intentionally disrespecting him even when she KNEW what he was doing. She said herself she's known for a few months. I don't care if she was his WIFE. They are secret identities for a reason. HE'S the superhero; not her. She gets NO SAY in whether he tells her. If she finds out, then she either should accept it or dump his ass. Amber stayed with him WHILE KNOWING he was Invincible and STILL made him feel like shit. THAT'S HER shit. Not Mark's. MONTHS she's known ans she still acted like he was flaking on her and even so much as started to hook up with some random college guy just to be petty. She likely thought if I force his hand he'll tell me. But of course when he starts to tell her she slams the door in his face, KNOWING what he was trying to tell her. And Mark is a bad boyfriend?? No, no, no, no. Amber is a toxic girlfriend.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

So you routinely don't show up for things you've promised your girlfriend to and then lie to your girlfriend's face about the reason and also witholding that they are in a relationship that they did not knowingly sign up for (namely with someone who can get them targeted by supervillains etc) and you do this for five months and you're still not a terrible boyfriend? _"She likely thought if I force his hand he'll tell me. But of course when he starts to tell her she slams the door in his face, KNOWING what he was trying to tell her."_ Doesn't the latter mean the former was not what she likely thought? That she likely dumped him "for being a coward" rather than tell him she knew about him being a superhero and then dump him? "Amber was stringing HIM along and being an asshole about it" Amber's not my favorite character but I have no idea what you mean by this.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps This is the part where you have to understand that we're not talking about the teenagers down the street. This is a superhero. and his right to protect his secret identity overrules Amber "feelings" As I said SHE stayed with him knowing he was Invincible and continued to act like he was flaking on her. He wasn't flaking out. His not showing up was ONLY ever because he was saving lives. he wasn't just goofing off on his PS5. from the moment she realized he was Invincible there was an obvious moral choice. Get over herself or dump him. Amber CHOSE to wait MONTHS, even going so far as to act single and flirt with other guys. he wasn't being a coward he was keeping HER away from enemies that WOULD without a doubt target HER SPECIFICALLY if they knew she was his girlfriend. I really don't care what defense you have for that A superhero's girlfriend does NOT get a say in WHEN he decides to tell her or even IF he decides to tell her. If she finds out on her own then she's morally being intentionally toxic by acting like he's a bad boyfriend when he's saving thousands of lives rather than make HER the center of attention. Like I said Amber is a narcissist. She ONLY became interested in Mark after her friend says that mark was beaten up BECAUSE of her. In fact her first words to him were "So, I heard you took a punch for me." Which of course he didn't. He took a punch to see how much he COULD take. Amber was not even a factor. Her first words and she's already emphasising that SHE is more important than he is.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@patrickcromwell7554 _"This is the part where you have to understand that we're not talking about the teenagers down the street."_ But we are. Amber is a teenager down the street. _"This is a superhero."_ Mark is. Amber isn't. Does that mean she is to service him as his girlfriend simply because he wants her to? _"and his right to protect his secret identity overrules Amber "feelings""_ That's not how it works. (Especially since "rights" are a myth we humans made up a long time ago.) _"As I said SHE stayed with him knowing he was Invincible and continued to act like he was flaking on her. He wasn't flaking out."_ That depends on what you mean by "flaking out" on someone? Can you define it for me (so I understand your perspective better)? _"His not showing up was ONLY ever because he was saving lives. he wasn't just goofing off on his PS5."_ Sure, but let me put it like this: It's basically "Unofficial superhero rule to avoid being an a-hole: You get three months of dating a normal person then you either come clean to that person or you break it off. Because there's a limit to how much lying to someone's face you do, no matter how much good we do while superheroing." This means that no matter how many lives Wonder Woman saves, there is a cut-off point to how long Diana Prince gets to string Steve Trevor along by bailing on their plans together and then lying to his face about it while keeping him believing he's dating a normal everyday woman who won't get them targeted by supervillains etc. And what that cut-off point is is really up to Steve Trevor. _"from the moment she realized he was Invincible there was an obvious moral choice. Get over herself or dump him. Amber CHOSE to wait MONTHS"_ Sure, but how is that "Amber stringing Mark along and being an asshole about it"? She's not suddenly keeping him in the dark about who and what he's dating e.g. it's not like she's now a vampire so potential cursed immortality (intended or not) is now in the cards for him. _"even going so far as to act single and flirt with other guys."_ Isn't that at the five months's end and where she was likely about to dump Mark anyway since she chooses to go all "Where were you, coward? Consider yourself dumped."? Not saying that she's a great person or anything, I mean that you're a bit all over the place. _"he wasn't being a coward"_ That's what Amber calls him while she is pretending she is unaware of his secret identity so it's neither here nor there in the actual conversation. _"he was keeping HER away from enemies that WOULD without a doubt target HER SPECIFICALLY if they knew she was his girlfriend."_ Wow, that's some convoluted thinking. A Clark Kent dating Lois Lane for five months not telling her he is Superman in no way protect Lois Lane from being targeted by Superman's enemies unless you are saying women will automatically announce it to the world or something. Not dating Lois Lane would protect her from being targeted by Superman's enemies. _"I really don't care what defense you have for that"_ That's not surprising given how convoluted "that" is. _"A superhero's girlfriend does NOT get a say in WHEN he decides to tell her or even IF he decides to tell her."_ That is not the issue though. The issue is whether she continues to date him or not. _"If she finds out on her own then she's morally being intentionally toxic by acting like he's a bad boyfriend when he's saving thousands of lives rather than make HER the center of attention."_ That is leaping to a conclusion about what Amber is saying when she's telling Mark he made her "feel stupid and unimportant". I do not interpret this as Amber saying she expects Mark to prioritize being her boyfriend over saving lives, the issue is him lying about it yet continuing the relationship. _"Like I said Amber is a narcissist. She ONLY became interested in Mark after her friend says that mark was beaten up BECAUSE of her. In fact her first words to him were "So, I heard you took a punch for me." Which of course he didn't. He took a punch to see how much he COULD take. Amber was not even a factor."_ I don't really see the relevance of that in regards to her dumping him for his behavior. _"Her first words and she's already emphasising that SHE is more important than he is."_ That seems a stretch to me but again, don't see the relevance.

[@daurydavis3983]

Exactly

[@baddbabylon]

The Immortal actually was Abe Lincoln, not John Wilkes-Booth 😂 Also Debbie = Best Character

[@Ultimaniacx4]

So Amber apparently knew Mark's identity when he saved them from the cyborgs and she just tried to gaslight him after saving their lives. That's just vile. "Where the hell did you go?!" "How dare you save my life and the lives of others without giving me all the details! I guess I can take you back because your dad is an evil murderer that beat you half to death. That's almost as bad as lying to me."

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

You're not seeing the whole picture. Yes, she's not... behaving well when she's berating him and calling him a coward but she's not going "how dare you save my life and the lives of others without giving me all the details", it's "You've been dating me for FIVE MONTHS without coming clean when any decent person would have either broken it off or come clean months ago! I get that you save peoples' lives but that doesn't give you the right to just leave me hanging half the time and lie to my face as to why!"

[@Ultimaniacx4]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps Secret super hero identity trumps all of that. To feel otherwise is selfish. "You lied to my face about saving people" overshadows "you lied to my face about missing dinner."

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@Ultimaniacx4 _"Secret super hero identity trumps all of that."_ It gives leeway but not as much as you assume. Read on. _"To feel otherwise is selfish. "You lied to my face about saving people" overshadows "you lied to my face about missing dinner.""_ You're not seeing the whole picture. It's "You lied to my face about missing dinner but you were saving people, that would get you un-dumped except you did it for five months so no, you're still dumped." As I say elsewhere in the comments here, it's basically "Unofficial superhero rule to avoid being an a-hole: You get three months of dating a normal person then you either come clean to that person or you break it off. Because there's a limit to how much lying to someone's face you do, no matter how much good we do at superheroing." No matter how badly Amber behaves or how horrible she is as a person Atom Eve is entirely right when she basically goes "I didn't tell you to string her along for five months, Mark! What is wrong with you?!"

[@Mayakran]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8psand as I’ve said, it’s because the writers weren’t talking to each other when they planned the episodes out lol

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@Mayakran I think you haven't stopped to imagine Amber's side of things. Being treated badly by your boyfriend means you get the option to end the relationship, it's not like Mark would die from getting dumped or something.

[@iansrife5107]

Me yesterday: Oh, she uploaded a Christmas movie...? I was expecting Invincible, but you know... this is honestly better. Nobody should have to watch THOSE last two episodes on their happy Christmas day. Me, seeing this upload the next day:

[@ImDerpyDuck]

The Robot farewell scene literally kills me every time, for a "real character" to be introduced and then removed within 3 minutes and be so impactful shows good writing

[@kieranc3142]

I watched this last year and my stomach actually felt queasy on the 8th episode🤣☠️ was insane

[@crimzon5100]

Vkunia ur videos really help me with my depression, merry Christmas

[@theoneandonlyoni]

Somehow I completely knew that Nolan saying he loved Debbie more like a “Pet” would fully get to you...

[@WhiteWoof]

Nolan loving Debbie like a pet isn't too far off when you consider how attached people get with their pets, though our pets only live a fraction of our own lives. Given his lifespan and abilities, normal human lifespan and ability really does make us more akin to small dogs for him.

[@Mayakran]

He clearly loved her more than a pet and he’s just trying to emotionally distance himself from her during this conversation.

[@Aaayyyeeee214]

"Frieren: beyond journey's end" also puts into perspective how differing lifespans can give someone the perspective nolan was pushing. It also shows how even (within the context of their vastly different lifespans) a brief moment in their lives can change these beings.

[@CB-eo6xo]

Better watch the Atom Eve special before starting season 2, the story of Atom Eve and how she came to be at what she is now.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

No. No; no no; Vicky. Do not sympathise with Amber. She in fact DOES understand; she just doesn't CARE. She's essentially pissed that Mark choses to save lives instead of being with HER. She's not his first priority and she's butt hurt. She's a narcissist plain and simple. when Mark was doting on her and devoted every last second of his attention on her she was fine; but when he uses his abilities to help people he's a bad boyfriend. It's like that one scene in Incredibles when Frozone's wife hid his uniform so he couldn't be able to use it. In her mind SHE is more important than saving the city from a robot that's destroying it. Saving lives isn't as important as SHE is.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

_"She's essentially pissed that Mark choses to save lives instead of being with HER."_ That's leaping to a conclusion about Amber saying Mark made her "feel stupid and unimportant". It's more likely she was referring to him hurting her feelings by standing her up _before_ she figured out he was a superhero.

[@patrickcromwell7554]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps It's not a leap. she KNOWS he's saving lives being a hero and she doesn't care. Him saving lives means nothing because SHE had to wait for mark. THAT'S what's important to her. When will people get this concept. A superhero's girlfriend/boyfriend doesn't get to BE angry when they KNOW that their partner is being a superhero and saving lives. You might as well be angry that your partner is a firefighter and gets a last minute emergency call instead of coming home. You might as well be angry that they're saving a family from a burning home instead of listening to how your day went. Is THAT what you're saying. She's his girlfriend so he needs to ask her permission to be a superhero, before saving lives. Are you that person??

[@sensaiuriah5440]

​@@patrickcromwell7554 don't waste your time with that bot 😂. Mans been literally defending amber in every comment mentioning her 💀

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@patrickcromwell7554 _"It's not a leap. she KNOWS he's saving lives being a hero and she doesn't care."_ She doesn't care in terms of still dating him. That's like Lois Lane dumping Superman because he's sleeping with other women and him going "Whut, you can't leave me, I save lives!" _"Him saving lives means nothing because SHE had to wait for mark. THAT'S what's important to her."_ That's the less intelligent interpretation of what she's saying. She's saying she doesn't want to date him anymore and "But I was out being a superhero!" does not make her want to keep dating him. _"When will people get this concept. A superhero's girlfriend/boyfriend doesn't get to BE angry when they KNOW that their partner is being a superhero and saving lives."_ I don't think that's the concept at work here. The concept is Mark strung her along for five months LYING to her about what kind of relationship she was in. I think your concept is implying that Steve Trevor is to service Wonder Woman as her boyfriend simply because she wants him to and doesn't get a say in it. _"You might as well be angry that your partner is a firefighter and gets a last minute emergency call instead of coming home."_ Firefighters lie about what they do to their partners for five months? _"You might as well be angry that they're saving a family from a burning home instead of listening to how your day went. Is THAT what you're saying."_ No, see above, that's where your analogy utterly misses the mark. _"She's his girlfriend so he needs to ask her permission to be a superhero, before saving lives."_ Again, that is the less intelligent interpretation of why Amber dumps Mark and doesn't take him back because "I'm a superhero, I was saving lives, I just didn't tell you so it's all okay!" doesn't make her want to be back in a relationship with him. _"Are you that person??"_ I feel confident that if you really take in what I've said above you are now asking yourself something similar.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@sensaiuriah5440 _Mans been literally defending amber in every comment mentioning her_ No, just the ones that imply "Mark was saving lives as a superhero so he was not being a terrible boyfriend!" which is factually wrong which irks me.

[@firecat4529]

31:45 here you can see that he shed more than 1 tear, he was actually crying

[@Yoinkyy]

It's always so fun to see people implementing human morals and concepts into Viltrumites. They are a complete alien race. The only thing that somewhat makes them similar to humans is that their biology is the same from the outside. Their morals are WAAAY different to ours. To them murder is just something that happens, nothing tragic at all. They are a warrior race mostly deprived of empathy and driven by tradition and battle. For Nolan, an elite Viltrumite soldier to actually *FEEL* at all is insane. Absolute insanity. You gotta remember, Nolan's been conquering planets for thousands of years, he's probably conquered hundreds of them. It just took a liitle time on earth, a loving wife and a family to have him genuinely break through that Viltrumite ideology and to have him abandon his post

[@nateisler3]

I truly hope VKunia lives up to her name to watch this episode and survive she'll need to be 25:48

[@patrickcromwell7554]

Except that the voice of the Robot isn't the same actor as the kid, though. the Robot is voiced by Zachary Quinto (who plays Spock in J.J. Abrams star Trek and Sylar in Heroes) don't know who voices the kid though.

[@LeshaunBennett]

Honestly I don't really dislike Omni-Man. The way he thinks about his wife is like how we feel about our pets, we love them yes but they are only alive for a fraction of our lives. Plus the way he talks abou his time on Earth makes it seem like he would have liked to stay and be a hero if he didn't have a job to do.

[@Mayakran]

The thing is, the “pet” comment is just an expression of him forcefully rejecting his feelings for her. Edit: I also didn’t really dislike Omni-man any more than I would dislike a hurricane or other natural disaster. He exists outside of our human morality and so we can’t expect him to behave according to our social mores.