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This is my Hindle 4-1 VMAX with ceramic packing in the muffler vs. the stock packing. It seems to have given more bass and less V4 internal sounds, but still has that rattle when you rev to mid level at idle. It does NOT rattle while riding, only at idle. I think it is a resonation of the muffler (its construction) itself, since my other muffler doesn't do it at all on the same system.