VW Arteon Elegance FULL REVIEW: kzbin.info/www/bejne/poPaomRnmKx1j6M
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
VW Arteon R-Line FULL REVIEW: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3u6q2Cqoq9jabM
@xDRAN0x7 жыл бұрын
Thomas asking the right questions, great review again
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thank you so much and keep watching Autogefühl :)
@TheRorymcloughlin7 жыл бұрын
I have the new Passat which will be given to my wife next year when I order this one! Thanks again Thomas, always costing me money :-)
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
ahaha sorry =)
@pronominal61887 жыл бұрын
Thank you for asking the designer about the front lip. I had a question myself, why make such a risky design solution?! At first I personally didn't really accept the front lip as an attractive element of the car. But when seeing the car few times I'm actually starting to accept it.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
always trying to answer the questions of the community!
@disciniz487 жыл бұрын
Front bonnet extension should have been one piece. I think it's about the cost and pedestrian safety
@94mikyyy7 жыл бұрын
pronominal the lip is because of safety of pedestrians because plastic must bend and absorb impact if someone is hit in legs
@maouAOUT7 жыл бұрын
Quite a few new automobiles already incorporate this split bonnet for the reasons noted above (insurance and safety). It's looking to be the new norm.
@fth9617 жыл бұрын
Thomas dropping the bomb again ! ⚡⚡
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
YEAH !
@scottthompson58557 жыл бұрын
I am a serious U.S. Customer for the Arteon R-Line. I am a former CC owner and have owned five VW products. The deal-breaker for me is the manual option. If a manual is offered I will purchase this car. If NOT, I will go elsewhere. Love the car!
@devildrifterX7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Thomas for this video! I'm really excited for this car here in the US and can't wait! I'll definitely be upgrading from my 2016 Passat to this in a couple of years!
@berylgreen19737 жыл бұрын
A really handsome contemporary design. This will be a huge success for VW. Glückwünsche aus Los Angeles!
@egushlak7 жыл бұрын
You're the man Tomas
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
+egushlak yeah :D
@dagripreaper18167 жыл бұрын
so, apparently, the r line with the 280 engine starts from around 49.000E and goes to around 60.000 fully loaded. Now that's a lot of money for a VW. Even so, it's my dream car at the moment
@marco11737 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Fastbacks are underrated but I'm glad to see manufacturers try.
@chukaone7 жыл бұрын
I have a CC right now and have a feeling this would be my next car in the coming year
@thegangstagentle7 жыл бұрын
I never liked a VW before, but this is one I'd like to have!
@MrTARIQSs7 жыл бұрын
9:22 for the most epic beatbox ever
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
sure is. Trivia: The bags were there to put the car a little lower as it was completely without fluids that would have shown the normal height due to their weight etc.
@elliottierney54527 жыл бұрын
Autogefühl ahh I was wondering about that thanks
@MrDarrenNice7 жыл бұрын
I think it looks great. I would buy one. It's obviously VW's version of the new A5 Sportback and again, you could argue and say it is the new CC. Not that any of this is a bad thing. Can't wait to the full review with driving as well. Great work 👍😊
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thanks we ll keep u updated!
@timo97487 жыл бұрын
Great video! Lovely Car! The Music is very good this time! sometimes it feels kind of weird, but it was great this time. Always happy to see a new Autogefühl Video, thank you Thomas! :)
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
enjoy!
@vlad6127 жыл бұрын
I like this evolution of the VW CC. I'm a bit biased towards the car, since I own a CC myself, but it has some undeniable qualities. It's pretty, spacious, has an air of quality to it and is somewhat upper classy without being ostentatious. It can punch above its weight class, so to say, but I don't think that it can be a real competitor for the E class, 5 series or the A6, unless the buyer can't really afford those... I'd take it however over the A4/5, 3/4 series and C class. Oh, and no animal skin interior for me please, Thomas really opened my eyes on this issue!
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
awesome :)
@carljones30787 жыл бұрын
My r line in turmeric being delivered in 4 weeks
@Tallandcharming6 жыл бұрын
carl jones I love mine; 280hp R line in white with the panoramic roof and 20” turbine wheels! It’s getting chipped next week to 325HP.
@radustefan6097 жыл бұрын
1 thing that bothers me is that you are wearing snickers whith that suit :) Good review tho
@ax10397 жыл бұрын
Radu Stefan I didn't know you could wear candy bars as shoes.
@ax10397 жыл бұрын
Radu Stefan I didn't know you could wear candy bars as shoes.
@kraenk127 жыл бұрын
Just imagine he'd wear some Mars or Twix...hilarious.
@thestranger70617 жыл бұрын
Good job Vw!! This will be my next one. An upgrade from cc. 👍👍👍
@richardmcfarlane-cen61326 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed watching this review/interview combo again. One thing that I always find curious, is that car journalists always mention Audi A5 as competition for this car. If people chose this car over the A5, I personally don’t think VW will care, as it is more cannibalisation, rather than competition. They get the money anyway. I think VW will be happy either way. Audi is VW is Porsche etc.
@64hawki7 жыл бұрын
Love this car inside and out want one 😀
@garynembhard74336 жыл бұрын
North America is supposed to get this replacement for the CC late 2018. I hope it does well. Historically, VWs German built offerings (Touareg, previous Passat) have not.
@TheNiel907 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, with regards to your question about the "child safety test" of the rear hatch.... If the motor used to close the boot of the Passat is also used in this car then the reason for this one stopping easier is that the N.m (Newton meter) the motor needs to generate to push your arms out of the way is much higher as the motor is placed further away from your arms as with the Passat, thus the further you are from the motor the easier it is to stop it... As always great video... Greetings from South Africa
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
ye thats what i meant, thanks for clarifying =)
@CT37BN7 жыл бұрын
Really nice looking car., even better than an Audi A4/A5/Sportback. Interior and dash lay-out also has better presentation. Like the color combo in the video, just the right amount of chrome to make it stand-out more. Top review Thomas., really appreciate that you have the designer to explain further how some of the detailing within the exterior was thought out.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
+metring073 👍👍👍
@kingtiger317 жыл бұрын
Great car looking foward to see in my city
@swright56907 жыл бұрын
Noice! Interesting car and great review. Much better looking than current CC. I think VW is on to something here. If you can offer style and interior space like an MB E or BWM 5 or Audi A6 for the high $30 to low/mid $40K (USD) then you really have to start to wonder if they can steal some market share from the premium brands that cost $15K-$20K more
@zenjitsuman7 жыл бұрын
Also, if VW is selling this for $3,000 less than Audi with a more powerful engine, that is something to consider as a big reason to go for the VW
@navdeepdhesi77207 жыл бұрын
Cool car
@abdul0187 жыл бұрын
thank you for the informative clip. my question to VW is we are in 2017, WHY IS THERE NO COMPARTMENT FOR A MOBILE PHONE. iv sen many of your clips about cars NO NEW CAR manufacture has made a compartment for a mobile phone. can you please request these car makers to make one. thank you
@saeedanwar15367 жыл бұрын
Excellent review as usual!!! Please keep up the excellent work I love the VW Arteon its a great looking car both internally and externally Not sure about UK price will be interesting to see what the price is at launch in the UK Saeed
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thanks saeed! Guess uk prices will approx be the same if you convert Euro to Pounds
@djferr85617 жыл бұрын
Another great Review, Thomas! This car looks great. Great design as well as functionality with fast back design!! I'm cross shopping the Audi A5, BMW 5 Series and 4 Series Gran Coupe. For a slightly better price point and phenomenal build quality and terrific looks I will go with the Arteon. Beautiful Car!!
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
+DJ Ferr interesting!
@dracolnyte7 жыл бұрын
stellar review as always
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thanks stick with us!
@JD05097 жыл бұрын
I would like to consider 280HP car. Sporty and very spacious. Good job VW
@SplendidoSplendente7 жыл бұрын
Why are LED lights an optional on such a car in 2017? The rear view is very nice! I hope to see more alcantara & leatherette seats: best solution for the environment and convenient for the customer. The analog clock err...NOPE! Hahaha in Italy we would find a cooled steering wheel more useful. VW have a really good build quality so beware Mercedes and BMW :D
@eoslove20227 жыл бұрын
We approve of the ARTEON in terms of its design language and VW's bid to remain relevant in the mid-sized market. We are not keen to pay the premium price of an Audi A5 or E-Class MB simply for it's prestige and exclusivity when we can have similar comfort, performance and safety features for thousands less! We look forward to your road test evaluation, particularly the 4-Motion model as we live in Canada where traction and control are an issue for nearly six months of the year.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
will do !
@KB-bh9hp7 жыл бұрын
I love it except for that body colored area that pushes the center grill down past the headlights ,would have preferred a linear grill
@misi_epa7 жыл бұрын
Beautiful car, well done VW. Great review as always, a pleasure to watch!!!
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thanks keep recommending us!
@twai80367 жыл бұрын
When will this be released in the USA?
@twinjuke7 жыл бұрын
As a Passat CC owner: it seems to be a decent upgrade, as every changes/improvements was done with care I can see, but... but I miss a few state-of-the-art stuff. As an icon, this car deserves a little pack of high-end features if not all. Just a few examples: true HUD, faster infotainment with 21st century graphics (like any mid/high-end phone that potent owners of this car will have), some hybrid solutions (nowadays a sporty car does not mean the opposit of an eco-friendly vehicle), etc. Anyway Arteon is really appealing, but VW play a safe game here, a bit too conservative. And the video: again, professional, very clear and points at the most important factors. Thank you Thomas! Ps.: the birth of Arteon raises me a rather difficult question: Which way should I upgrade: A5 or Arteon? Until now it was an easy answer.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
+János Szabó thanks! Really a tough question I agree
@MrBrown787 жыл бұрын
What car is better? The 2018 Audi Q5 or the 2018 Volvo XC60?
Autogefühl But will you review the XC60 as well? :)
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
for sure
@mpc0077 жыл бұрын
XC60 definitely. if you can live with 4 cylinders tho
@kraenk127 жыл бұрын
Better?! Q5! Better looking?! XC60
@johndemerse91727 жыл бұрын
Excellent review! Think I will trade my 2013 Lexus ES for this car. I hope it comes to Canada.
@atalayo3o0o7 жыл бұрын
i like the framless backdoors.
@mieszkooracz73707 жыл бұрын
I like the opposit, but it is just a matter of taste :) Non is bad :D
@ssr16807 жыл бұрын
Is the 20 inch wheels coming over here with the Arteon ? And when is it coming to America?
@alperdogan93737 жыл бұрын
Here is how arteon engineers designed interior trim. Turn on the computer And go; Users/vw/desktop/passatb8/interior/design.dll Click right and copy And go; Users/vw/desktop/arteon/interior Click right and paste Car is ready.
@philchao7 жыл бұрын
TURN ON THE HEADLIGHTS! in every review so far, no one talks about the nighttime headlamps or how they look...
@altern8ive7 жыл бұрын
thanks thomas, great review and nice looking vehicle. i expect the frameless windows to freeze up in winter making entry into the car difficult. every frameless design i've owned has failed with this 'characteristic' :)
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thanks pal! Never heard of problems for Coupés etc. yet but interesting aspect
@systemfails7 жыл бұрын
Excellent vehicle, i really like it. Thank you Thomas, i always appreciate your work.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
+Mehmet Bakır I appreciate your support
@yoanns65737 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review !!
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
+Yoann S np
@eggbirdtherooster7 жыл бұрын
The exhaust is not fake.. the chrome tips are integraded, and a exhaust must have space for moving around a little bit!
@MeridianLuxTravelService7 жыл бұрын
Thomas you should be doing there Job you explained more about the car than the actual designers.
@rjamn20107 жыл бұрын
Does this come with apple carplay/andriod auto? Arteon vs Audi A5 sportback, which would you prefer?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
yes it does
@Argetimable7 жыл бұрын
A cheaper and better looking Audi A7 with a VW badge. Great review, Thomas! Btw, I would like to see an Usual Thomas Review of the Lexus LC500 / 500h. It would be also worth of spending the time watching it.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
lets see what we can do !
@Moisi5477 жыл бұрын
For a cheaper option compared to the Mercedes e class, audi and BMW, that interior is beautiful. So is the car
@ICcreepers7 жыл бұрын
The Interviews were a funny contrast: the first guy was very genuine and honest and obviously very proud of the car. The second guy though was a bit confused and didnt really seem to know how to answer the questions :D i think it was a bit funny... maybe it was the language barrier, who knows :)
@MrTARIQSs7 жыл бұрын
ICcreepers lmao the amount of times he repeated "it's" just killed me 😂
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
Hehe. Well it was his first interview of this kind, for that I found it totally ok. And he is the responsible guy for that car so that was still the right choice.
@ICcreepers7 жыл бұрын
Autogefühl Yeah, I have nothing against him, it was just a funny contrast between the two interviews :) Yeah what a beautiful car he is responsible for! And when it comes to interviews, practise makes perfect :)
@MrDerKrischi7 жыл бұрын
Such a nice car from the inside and outside. Any further information on planned hybrid engine systems(s)?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
No info on that yet, but we ll keep u updated
@hardware.experts7 жыл бұрын
Nice review, good job! At the beggining of the video you said that you will talk about the prices but you didn't said anything, except that 1.5 engine is a good choice for fleet customers. Wanted to know the price differences between Passat and Arteon on the same engines.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
Didnt I tell them? 35 k entry in Germany with 1.5 l and 50 k as it stood there right now
@hardware.experts7 жыл бұрын
Then it seems that I missed that few seconds when you told the prices, sorry. Thanks for the fast answer.
@vasileiosxanthopoulos66217 жыл бұрын
I would like your opinion on the Kia stinger gr8
@supotube7 жыл бұрын
First "Das Auto" I would really like to buy.
@GeeeBeeee7 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, Thomas. Very straightforward and asking the right questions! I have a leased 2016 VW Jetta GLI Autobahn 2.0 TSI and was hoping to get the Arteon R-Line. I'm looking to get one in April 2019 when my lease ends. Couple of questions for you: Is the 280hp 2.0t engine the same as the MK7 Golf R? Will the 3.6 VR6 be available as well? USA release date was 2018 according to VW or later?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary! The 2.0l turbo is basically all the same in VAG corp., just tuned to different hp
@appleboy37934 жыл бұрын
This car is beautiful, great all around, should be the most famous VW out there but it’s underrated and for a good reason: It’s just a more expensive Passat, beautiful outside but identical underneath and inside, which is not a bad thing but then when you’re about to spend 30K on a Arteon and you see an identical Passat for 25K, you choose the Passat cuz it might not be as Sexy as the Arteon but it still very good looking car And then it’s the problem of if VW make Arteon much better then the Passat, which puts Arteon on a scale of and Audi or a Benz, and that leads to a higher price and when you’re about to spend that much money and you see that for 5K more you can actually but a much fancier car, ofc you go for the fancier one. I love this car, but I don’t see it as long lasting series, just like the CC.
@akccc4347 жыл бұрын
Great review Thomas! Just that the back of the Arteon looks like a copy of the new Mercedes E-Class coupé, not saying its ugly though.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thanks pal!
@manishdj557 жыл бұрын
your review is much more sexier then aarteon... keep it up buddy.....
@Fastfitnesstips7 жыл бұрын
Great format to have the designer and project lead featured in the video. Looks like an appealing car but terrible not to have the option of a hybrid. I cannot understand this given VW strong GTE variants.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
glad u like it
@kraenk127 жыл бұрын
GTE version like the concept will be released later.
@kopter287 жыл бұрын
Thomas, so if understanding correctly this will come to US/Canada as the B9 Passat? Do you know when?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
B8 it is m8, yes to Northern America this will come, 2018
@tomaszszolc93487 жыл бұрын
Thomas, did You ask VW about biger engines in future? maybe V6? or something else?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
+Tomasz Szolc wont fit mqb
@petejr75837 жыл бұрын
Very good, professional job Thomas! Thank you! A5 Sportback wins by-the-way. I like the profile. Like most 4 door coupes, it has a sporting vibe. Saab wants it's turbine wheels back. The face is cartoonishly bold like most VW and Audi's these days, so unfortunately we will have to wait longer for VAG to get this trend out of their system. Cheap add on lip to the front of the bonnet. The tail lights were borrowed from unimaginative Audi and BMW designs of the last 10 years. More masculinity or "butch block" (I'm going to trademark that 😉) with the the interior design. The more I see the VAG cars with the endless horizontal front dashboard air vent, the less I appreciate it, and them. Ridiculous and passionless! VAG needs to go shopping for designers in Italy again. Ciao!
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
grazie! =)
@IgorOrlic7 жыл бұрын
Can we expect estate/station wagon option? It would look great I think.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
+Igor Orlic I don't think so, that's what the passat is for
@antoniorogic17 жыл бұрын
Nice review
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thanks atonio!
@tamerlanibragimov16117 жыл бұрын
Always perfect reviews. Thanks. I would like to ask you to stop testing acceleration from 0 to 100 and start 50-150-200. People mostly don't compete to each other in the cities where acceleration from 0km/h gives sence, but on a high-way good acceleration from 50 to 200 could be very helpful for everyone. Today every car producer announces good or very good time, but, for example, Japanise cars fade after 120 and seems like it takes them an etermity to accelerate to top speed of some ordinary 160-180-200km/h.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thanks! Actually we are more often giving you some 70-120 etc. than the full 0-100, as seen as in many of the recent reviews! Reason is safety first, its quite often not that safe to do from full stop
@tamerlanibragimov16117 жыл бұрын
Yes, you do, but 120 is still not enough. I drive now Honda CRV and exactly after 120 engine fades. I also remember my stress on German high-way with Mazda 6, which drammaticaly weakened after 120 too. I believe those data to be very important as here hides a true difference between German and other cars. Also I believe that the potention of a car after 120 directly regards to safeness of drive as fast overtaking is very important too. P.S. I felt in love with Arteon from the first moment. It's great and I want it!
@izzyifdu75997 жыл бұрын
Can someone clarify for me, is this coming to the States to replace the U.S. Passat we have now or just the CC? Or are they still going to offer both like they do currently?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
Coming to the states yes. Not replacing the Passat, successor of the CC
@izzyifdu75997 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Cjdergrosse7 жыл бұрын
Great review as always, will this car come to the States?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
+Chris Jarmon ye!
@european11147 жыл бұрын
Nice car, good review 👍 Can you review Lincoln Continental 2017?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
thanks! Lincoln not available in Germany :/
@Kinoya-sama7 жыл бұрын
My one big question: one or two rear fog lights? :D I hate the asymetry on most cars. And really, 2.0l as a top engine? What happend to the great idea of the 3.6 VR6 CC? Damn those small engines really blow... That's what bothers me with the most non-german brands here in Germany, the lack of more than 4-cylinder engines. All in all, as a lover of the CC design I think the Arteon looks a bit futuristic, but still a really nice design, look forward to see it in person.
@zenjitsuman7 жыл бұрын
The competition is Audi A5 sportback has 252hp 280 ftlb. on VW I see 280hp but nobody gave torque. 30hp should make the VW faster if it also uses same 7speed DSG For me the VW grille and hood lip and headlight integration looks more busy, I won't say the Audi A5 SB looks better just more classic, and I would need to see it in person to decide if I like it as much as Audi. Something to get used to, I guess.
@sodjas7 жыл бұрын
Beuatiful car but is it just the video or the gap between trunk door and side panel is really that big? It looks like my iphone will fit in there...
@joaomarques9097 жыл бұрын
The rear part strongly reminds me of the S Class Coupe
@mpc0077 жыл бұрын
Base model cool? Really that would be the first time in a Volkswagen. Usually the baseline gets stripped of everything like the alu trim, fog lamps, led or xenon lights, leather, satnav, decent wheels, you name it. Configure a Passat Trendline par example, its utter poorness.
@acericoniadak7 жыл бұрын
this car is sick I loved it
@TheJerry447 жыл бұрын
If there's a manual in the top trim I"ll buy one.
@herrdoktorknowitall7 жыл бұрын
I don't see how both this and the A5 Sportback can compete with the 4 series grans coupe without canibalizing each other. I don't see anyone buying this over a 5-series or the e-class
@Khaloodi_u7 жыл бұрын
Hello Tom , can you please review the Audi RS3 please ,? Important to me to see ur view because I want to order it when come out
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
Holger was just for us at the event and we are post-producing m8
@Khaloodi_u7 жыл бұрын
Autogefühl thanks tom
@camiladasgracas63667 жыл бұрын
nice car ,waiting in brazil
@fmsantoscar7 жыл бұрын
beautiful car exterior, VW should have designed a new interior to go with it too instead of using the Passat interior.
@JMFCOliveira7 жыл бұрын
Exceptional car, very good looking, but the interior is so much like the Passat I'll probably still prefer to go for the Passat. After all, inside is where I find myself most of the time...
@94mikyyy7 жыл бұрын
is there an option for rear glass wiper?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
no
@aadarsh55967 жыл бұрын
Thomas- like always you're the best :D, btw will this car launch in India?
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
Jürgen Stackmann said they would do that at some point
@itmustbelove087 жыл бұрын
I get the whole one line part but it still would have been better to make that part of the hood.
@vincentrichardson12057 жыл бұрын
I think the lack of a PHEV is a serious own goal for VW, especially when the initial concept was. I also find it strange that they have said it's not on their agenda to release the Arteon as a PHEV either. I think the 530e will be the vehicle of choice at the higher end of the price point for the Arteon. Well in Europe that is, given the impending attack on diesel here. I say this as an owner of a VW CC and was waiting with great anticipation for this vehicle. I love its appearance and practicality, but it's direction in sustainability is questionable, animal skins aside.
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
yeah the plugin should be there
@golfastra4827 жыл бұрын
hello, think you for the review,....... i think we will be lucky with onother review for the Opel Insignia Grand Sport or Sports Tourer, please please please please ...........
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
sure we ll do that!
@flyymal7 жыл бұрын
This car is soo beautiful
@coldude25597 жыл бұрын
looks pretty good!
@selamidursun46267 жыл бұрын
You dressed well but your shoes are from 80s i guess:) nice review. Thank you sir.
@user4387 жыл бұрын
Arteon is best looking machine in world
@DimitarAngelkov7 жыл бұрын
Actually I didn't get what is the difference between the old CC and this new Arteon. Looks like they just want to rename it for marketing reasons, but the explanation of Andreas Paeplow about the difference sounds funny :) "1) It's bigger than CC" - ahaha good point "2) It's a part of the MQB" - good one "3) They tried to build new car with more space" - just like the CC "4) Very nice design" - Yeah the design is really nice, just like the previous CC "5) A lot of functions" - man... you killed me... really.
@tolomeiu7 жыл бұрын
Is this the new Renault Talisman?
@cedmaster20007 жыл бұрын
Anzug mit Turnschuhen :D läuft
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
warum mit der Masse schwimmen ? :)
@autogefuehl7 жыл бұрын
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@JaeAR207 жыл бұрын
He seems know more than the people who put the car together