Vortex lift! (a vortex lifting a heavy metal disc)

This vortex machine produces a vortex that can lift up to 3.5kg, enough to lift a heavy metal disc! Do note though that the whole system can't lift itself.

[@pierrea4524]

good for cleaning dirt out of the carpet

[@glassofmilk7141]

lol

[@Trebseig]

Actually, dirt is being thrown away by such a vortex. It makes a mess. See tornado aftermath..

[@gerarditomx]

Dec 2021 Kentucky Masive Tornados has showed the big power of Vortex. Like You Did. Awesome experiment. Congratulations

[@tastindaganja]

best use of a vacuum cleaner ive seen to date!! Great work though :D

[@Trebseig]

LOL yea. And you can can rescue them motors from the trash. People throw away vacuum cleaners all the time.

[@FJCshoppe]

Thank you for sharing your experiments. If one were to invert the vortex creating mechanisim, would it life itself into the low pressure area? Then if the exhasted air were blown over a curved surface you would have a coanda saucer, no?

[@derekvolt]

Thats pretty cool is that a vacuum cleaner vortex ? Reminds me of the simple kitchen sink vortex lift experiment. At the kitchen sink, instead of having the plug out and having a vortex. Leave the plug in fill it half way, put a plate at the bottom and with the dish brush spin around and around on top of the plate if you do it right the plate will rise from the bottom and end up floating.

[@Trebseig]

Cool, yea, is actually very similar!

[@michaelkhobbs8263]

Funny how this came up again. A few weeks back I awoke with bright lights flickering on my wall. Bright and no sound. I opened the curtain and I saw the most spectacular lightning storm ever. In the bay area it's rare for such an event. But what really amazes me is that I could swear I saw a copper machine with spirals and other odd shapes resembling Nicola Teslas experiments. We simply don't have this technology to make a device on the scale of something that was miles in diameter and floating above the clouds. You're the only one I told. It was very real spreading lightning in every direction after about 5 minutes into the light show the sound came in. In the morning yellow skies that turned orange. No amount of fire could ever do this naturally. Thanks. 100%. My dreams now are big Quakes. No joke

[@Trebseig]

My guess, based on what I've seem so far, is the vortex lift is way more efficiënt than coanda lift. But... this vortex system as a whole can't fly, because with a straight vortex, the 2 ends produce the same force, in opposite directions, together zero force.

[@beatbaker7420]

why not directing the opposite end to the same way as the other end through some piping? or bent profile - as in Schaubergers pictures/ drawings

[@michaelkhobbs8263]

I watched a special on Viktor schauberger now he work with things that made sense like his impellers he made and shovels out of copper. Put the nutrients back into the soil instead of iron very smart guy by placing Boulders in a river he got the creek to do the work getting the heavy metals out of it gold and utilize the river to break up rocks over a course of time. He proved that water feeds. It feeds on the minerals on there from The Rock. Anyway thank you. That was a really cool experiment

[@db5837]

At least two causes of lift here : first is reduced pressure in centre of vortex (centrifuging of air) and therefore suction into vortex; second,as with air speeding over an aircraft wing, the circular flow of air over the top of the disc reduces air pressure on top of the disc. A third would be the recirculation of air from below the disc as it feeds back up into the vortex (if that is the direction of flow within the vortex).

[@edlingja1]

DB Yeah, this isn't how craft fly.. To produce the (likely) magnetism required to move air this way would mean using a machine with enough power density is impossible. If you could use nuclear energy to produce the fields, the actual device would also have to be of increased size or composed of some unknown substance much lighter and stronger than any stable elements we have available. In short, this won't fly and it certainly wouldn't allow for significant steering or directing.

[@edlingja1]

DB I think you'd be better of with opposing rotating mercury (or other metal(s)). That would allow for some form of gravitational effects; all the while enabling possibilities of steering. I think before we could look at using this type of transport outside atmospheres or with the assistance of a sort of force field/shield effect.

[@ItsmeDee777]

DB Viktor schauberger achieved this over 70 years ago but got suppressed sadly.

[@Trebseig]

First, yes: reduced pressure in centre of vortex. Second, no: just fast air does not produce lift. Third, probably not, in this experiment there is hardly any air motion under the disc, and there is an open connection with the air outside the apparatus (thus no large pressure difference).

[@Trebseig]

​@@ItsmeDee777 . Yes Viktor Schauberger was the vortex master. We wonder what all he has discovered, what we don't know yet.

[@leecone4051]

Akways wondered what it looked like inside a shop vac! 😊😊

[@crjr2013]

I dont know if I skep something how is gonna do in the space if there isnt air out there????

[@FredGrace]

Did you know your close to creating a plasma ball. Like Paul Pantone's vortex plasma. Great job

[@Ekonnahn]

Noticed that the disc wanted to shift to one side. That's due to the misbalance of the pressure from your side tube. If you added two more lines providing the same volume at equidistance (120 degrees) you would stabilize the disc and probably get a more smooth vertical lift.

[@Trebseig]

The "flight" of this heavy disc, was extremely unstable, that's why we put it on a square rod.

[@apismellifera1000]

Man that is quite a feat there!!! I like to make a 3 or 4 funnel tornado AKA multi vortex tornado I also like to simulate vortex breakdown as well.

[@jaywoodley6639]

Am I crazy or is producing light could just be reflection hence the rainbow colours but it seems like it got brighter

[@briancavanagh7048]

the distance from the disc to the diameter of your chamber effects the suction & therefore lift. A bigger chamber or smaller, but same weight disk & suction would, I think, not provide as efficient lift. wing tip loss of lift?

[@eljorisluypaert]

How is this different from the coanda effect? Have you tried using an impeller instead of a typical ventilator/vacuum prop (cf. Viktor Schauberger), you might pull in more air (venturi) and it possibly would work better without the chamber

[@sonicxfan8322]

perhaps a lily impeller

[@Trebseig]

I am mainly using impellers, as they have less troubles with turbulent air. More air is more power, but it is mainly about proof of concept here. This is very different from the Coanda effect, although they are friends. Goal is to get things flying without a chamber.

[@Trebseig]

The lily impeller, looks cool, no experience with yet. Do you?

[@darkorse9752]

Might I suggest instead creating an electromagnetic vortex using a halbach array in place of the propellers in one end, and in the other; using an ultrasonic transducer to propagate half a wavelength of levitating air molecules.

[@dudarromeo5872]

A sound vortex wud cancel gravity in a way it wil produce lift if u can do it

[@dzhanbeglovanz2597]

Energy depends on the square of the speed and power of the momentum P = mv Thus, with the increased air quantity is got more force. Here the trick is that through the concentrated point of application of the energy necessary to move as much air as possible, that is, has to be transformed the movement of small mass with high speed in the big one with low speed. The vortex is a great natural variant of transformation forces. It's very close to the right decision.

[@Trebseig]

Inverting the vortex creating mechanisim, like how did you have that in mind? The vortex and the coanda effect can be combined sometimes. I just uploaded a movie where you can see the combination of a ring vortex and the coanda effect, movie: "Large Invisible Vortex Ring"

[@GPRNZ]

good work guys!

[@Trebseig]

Thanks GPRNZ (is GPRNZ the sound of your moto-cycle? GGPRRRRRRNZZZzzzz)

[@TheRealThanos55]

What would happen if you were spinning a very high concentration of electrons outside a disk?

[@Yo-SoN]

Isolate yourself and then let us know! Lol

[@cynics84]

impressive!! now you can design an experiment to test whether your vortex is more efficient than the coanda effect.

[@islandonlinenews]

so if the disk was spinning you would get the same effect.

[@Trebseig]

No. A flat disc doesn't pump much air, and it would probably not create the low pressure tornado tunnel.

[@cervezacostanegra1903]

Did you make or buy the suction turbine?

[@user-if6ub7oj6v]

На старих фото Джона Серла не видно магнітів - є тільки диски. джерелом енергії є тепле повітря, яке у центр-сходячому вихрі перетворюється на обертальний рух. Основою є диск, який обертається між обкладинками, створюючи в центрі велике розрідження. У верхній обкладинці є отвір (по центру диска він теж є, щоб задіяти обидві сторони диску) над отвором є купол, в куполі по краям є отвори через які надходить тепле повітря. В куполі утворюється вихор який обертає маленьку (порівняно з диском) турбінку - турбінка прикріплена в центрі диска. Зниження температури таке сильне що замерзають підшипники (що є великою проблемою). При розгоні проблемою є виючий гучний звук, тон якого залежить від діамерту диска, причиною виючого звуку є пульсуючий вихор в центрі диска, треба розігнатись ще щоб пройти пульсації (тому і репульсин), вихор стабілізується, звук дискретно змінить тон на вищий, потім зникне зовсім. треба розганяти ще щоб пройти цей поріг, далі в куполі над диском формується вихор який штовхатиме турбіну. Температура повітря - це і є джерело енергії. Дякую...

[@edwinosantos]

Do you know how to build a truncated cone with the golden ratio/section ?

[@mk6315]

Just cut the top off a pyramid I guess

[@p1stolp.521]

that's really cool, I really enjoy your videos .. now I want to break my mom's vacuum and build my own..sadly I have a c-4 spinal cord injury.. have a good night..=)

[@Trebseig]

Thanks, and you have C4 SCI also?? I hope not.

[@YiquanNetwork]

you are doing cool stuff, i don't understand but it looks awesome! those who trash talk just trash talk, doers have vids ^ coolest vortex vid i saw tonight!

[@Trebseig]

Thanks Hoa. Yea; what all people write in the comments... while not creating anything themselves.

[@MT-THNDR207]

At 2:20, is that a Coanda Effect device sitting on the table?

[@aviral8173]

What if you make a hole down there at the bottom???

[@jerrypowell7194]

The vortex was going around the edges of the olate making diminished pressure on top and higher pressure underneath. much the same principal as an airplane wing.

[@forestdenizen6497]

Aircraft wings do not work in the way they teach in school. The lift is not generated by low pressure due to varying flow rates, it is really just reaction force of the wing pushing against the air. A completely flat wing with no aerofoil profile can also work. Low pressure due to venturi effect is a minor component.

[@AirshipNorway]

how is the set up for this? You have one fan at the top, and a hole where? And the additional fan? Its very interesting stuff.

[@Trebseig]

Sucktion at the top, smoke through little holes in the bottem, horizontal wind from the sides. I will try to be more clear next videos.

[@pharoahking4275]

Brilliant machine, absolutely brilliant. Next time secure disk with some sort of string/wire as my friend just said maybe the rod was a piston or some sort

[@Trebseig]

Well thank you Pharoah King. Yea; the rod looks a bit lame, but it sure ain't a piston (LOL; somebody under the table pushing it up!). We actually started with strings, but the disc became totally unstable and ripped the strings to pieces. Point of it all was to test how much lift a vortex can cause at that distance.

[@nobodyyouknow7758]

That would make for an awesome party trick.

[@Trebseig]

To see it for real is really nice, impressive.

[@takencareofbidness]

Sorry to be so random, but I LOVE the music at the beginning. Can you please share the title or author? Thanks

[@Trebseig]

That music I made myself! -Thanks for the loving it :-)

[@daTroost]

Nice concept, but how much power was used to generate the 3.5kg lift? A propeller of about 30cm @ 300W could lift 3.5kg. How strong were those fans,sounded like vacuum cleaner motors (1KW?)

[@Trebseig]

Good point. I think we we at all together 1500W. That is terrible, but we were not really aiming for efficiency. With more efficient motors and fans I am sure we can bring the energy usage way-way down.

[@rezaasaddoor2562]

Perfect

[@RedRider7240]

sir, i think a found some thing acoustic levitation, i did my own test and I noticed i can move marbles with my hand with out touching, its like im about the touch it but i stop my finger a inch away but its acts like the energy doesn't stop and more energy i use to move my hand fast the harder the marble moves away :D crazy

[@Trebseig]

That is some funky stuff you are saying.

[@jaywoodley6639]

Make a video I want to see this

[@dzhanbeglovanz2597]

it's a very good experiment. There is proved clear that the Takeoff force mostly consists of attached mass of air, If look to your video with the round wing (Koanda Effect) we can see that air flow is enough slim. And if flow would more the better for vertical force. But we know - power is the same. In this case with the same energy when is moving more mass of air we get bigger force but slower velocity.

[@naldozryd]

I would not call it lifting, it is been sucked upwards into to the vortex whirl, called implosion action. You can clearly see that you create a upside down vortex while blowing air into the cylinder and the eye is on top.

[@hili467]

Ok… so it’s basically a corander hover craft?

[@dercoolevonderschule314]

Very interesting

[@breatheasy06]

Why does the vortex always follow a curve from top to bottom. I also noticed that the disk move upwards and a little to the left. Is that the path of the vortex?

[@Trebseig]

Well, there are a lot of dynamics going on, not a totally balanced situation, where straight is just one of many options.

[@etsmith2820]

there is a similar photo of the rainbow colors in a vortex in the book Secrets in the Fields

[@Trebseig]

It is very common to see colors in a vortex, if the background is dark, and light comming from behind. I don't know that book, is it good?

[@hugofarias9150]

Its a helix based device or not?

[@TheNeokorben]

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE ELECTRIC MOTOR ON THE TOP DOING,WHERE IS THE SOURCE OF SMOKE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'VE DONE? SO WE COULD HAVE BETTER EXPLANATION FOR THE COLORS THAT SHOWED UP

[@Trebseig]

Sucktion at the top, smoke through little holes in the bottem, horizontal wind from the sides. I will try to be more clear next videos.

[@Journalistification]

I like the song at the end , : )

[@Trebseig]

Thanks; made it myself.

[@ericbelistan6591]

The coanda effect is a question of depression like a difference of potential. So ...how can it possible to accelerate this difference??? :)

[@djfliq1]

A theory about the rainbow is the vortex was fast enough to generate an increase/decrease in gravity which will bend the light around or through it! The light fractioning was in waves which could have been due to the video record speed but it could also have been because the particle interactions created a magnetic current. All theories, video is cool as hell none the less.

[@andrewlyons2638]

+clarence hairston Unlikely. Its probably just refraction through the condensation of water vapor in the air.

[@joshd9442]

+Andrew Lyons that was my first thought aswell,probably a small amount of moisture in whatever is being used to make the fog .

[@Trebseig]

I don't know exactly why the colors appear in the vortex, but it is pretty. Can be seen with the eye (thus not a camera effect). The fog is oil, not water.

[@bubblezovlove7213]

I'm really enjoying seeing these guyzes vortexisez... I'm going to give it a try myself soon with and Airzooka and see if I can do anything interesting besides terrorising the dog.... 😆

[@andrewcrause5683]

Interesting but I'm worried about the hand motion in the lower left corner correlating to the disc moving up and down. Can you explain what is going on there so we know that it wasn't you pushing the disc up.

[@daftpunk12321able]

I believe that was the knob controlling the power of the vaccuum

[@Trebseig]

@@daftpunk12321able Yea: we used a Variac to control the speed of the universal motor. Big nob on top.

[@unitittii]

inertial propulsion -- mass loose" her" weight and "his" inertia when you move it very quick. Cause mass power is a riding(ore glueing) on struktures who are in the vakuum.

[@Trebseig]

Sounds like you are in some kind of space all ready. Can't follow ya.

[@brasilbrasileiro9899]

how do you do?...

[@Gargamoth]

Is there any other type of vortex that can lift heavy objects besides a tornado of air?

[@sionmath]

Yes water vortex !

[@joshuasoanes1938]

Thats ausome its like a mini tornado

[@Trebseig]

Bonsai tornado

[@spacemanfabrication1860]

This is the awesome, the rainbow?? Vortex mfing cray. How did it take me so long to see this.

[@cristletower]

Yes I did

[@1humanhere]

I don't quite see where your idea is leading to? you've made a vacuum to lift an object... I have one of those in the cupboard. show me a video with the motor attached to the disc because im assuming that's what your getting at?

[@Trebseig]

It is not just a vacuum, there only is a vacuum (reduced air pressure) inside the center of the vortex. Try putting something heavy that far under a pretty strong air sucking hole; it will not get sucked up. I could place the motor on the disc, that can work, but the vortex would still need a ceiling to get strong. And that is the problem preventing vortex flight.

[@germangismondi944]

what is the purpose of this?

[@Trebseig]

Showing the lifting power of a vortex above a round surface.

[@arcmode]

Would it be possible to recreate a pinch effect at the middle of the vortex?

[@Trebseig]

What is a pinch effect?

[@arcmode]

@@Trebseig I meant "z pinch" which is a phenomenon that makes electrical vortexes (plasma in space) get narrow around a higher conductance. Many interesting things can happen in a Z pinch. Not sure if that could be replicated in a non-electrical vortex though.

[@Trebseig]

​@@arcmode Z-Pinch, Plasma Compression, nice! Would love to work on plasma vortices, but my aim was to research the gas pressures of a vortex in normal air. There is of course more than gas motion and pressure happening: temperature, static electricity from friction, maybe every some interesting magnetic fields. Lightning is often seen next to a tornado. So much interesting stuff, so little time.

[@wandalllither2452]

Hello to fuelless planes that nobody can see refueling

[@hugofarias2261]

This gadget has a helix or its pure eletrohidrodinamics?

[@Trebseig]

?? There is no electric current flowing here, just air in motion.

[@kukulcangod1]

I have done similar experiments, and so far what schauberger described has holded truth, One suggestion my friend, have you tried to let the disc spin? if not could you try it?, and also with a lighter version, you are proving here some aerodynamics better than the ones at nasa, equations aside, I know that certain shapes respond dramatically better and unexpectedly than others in the presence of a tornadic force, I'm inventing something based on it, and can't disclose much, it is my baby which will allow me to make many other things of benefit for all, and I don't have nearly as much resources as yourself, but I can tell you I made a clear plastic version of the schauberger ufo, with a vacuum cleaner motor as well, you are missing the double hull!! I'm sure the thing will fly with an r/c plane electrical motor, Naudin failed at observing this, I'm going on that direction for the suction is not nearly what is needed with vacuum motor weight ratios...See? with the guy Giorgio from "in search of ufos" nasa tested the nazi bell, shape at scale, with simple horizontal wind tunnel, without thinking that this phenomena creates and electrostatic field, ala biefeld brown/tesla electrostatic field effect, were aerodynamics are useless! used as such! Thank you for sharing continue please with your experiments.

[@Trebseig]

Hey, it sounds like you do know what you are talking about. Would love to see what you are working on. The schauberger ufo, these double wave plates, I still don't get it; was it just to get more compression, like a multi stage compressor, or were there important electric things going on? I do want to get electricity involved in the search for alternative propulsion.

[@hugofarias2261]

The ionezed air spining n riseup,right?

[@Trebseig]

I have not been noticing any electric effects. But there is a lot of friction going on, in air -that is an insulator- so I can imagine electric charge is created in a vortex. Why would ionized air rise up?

[@misobogdanov2422]

Not too impressed by the lift but very impressed by the machine

[@Trebseig]

Well, you should be impressed. Try making a vortex strong enough to to lift more than a wi bit. Ain't easy.

[@cikaconi]

How did you build this machine?

[@Trebseig]

In many stages: trying, improving, failing, trying, improving, ..

[@mjgarrett9885ify]

Just for fun put gunpowder or thermite in a vortex and ignite it . good video

[@jrmcreates]

The rainbow colors are the key to spece time.... That's the point where gravity start acting different

[@Trebseig]

Wow that sounds far out!

[@esmolol4091]

Scotty, beam me up!

[@jfullner00]

This is quite interesting. Not sure what the rainbow indicated, but I have have always believed there is some kind of electromagnetic force, possibly generating a time warp. Wind velocity doesn't seem to explain how straw can travel through class or other strange anomalies associated with tornadoes. I have no idea how you could test this...love to hear your thoughts.

[@andrewcrause5683]

Seems to be a nob where you control the power of the vortex?

[@Trebseig]

Yea: we used a Variac to control the speed of the universal motor. Big nob on top.

[@FreundCarlos]

Is because the Bernoulli's principle?

[@Trebseig]

What "Is because the Bernoulli's principle?".. (I don't understand your question)

[@JamaaLS]

Maybe this is how the ancients moved those megalithic objects. They certainly weren't using bronze tools to cut granite rocks with laser precision like we're taught in school.

[@reyszunig9877]

Quiero saber quien tiene el deseo que agamos algo mas grande soy ing. industrial.y compartir conocimiento

[@jota200_oficial3]

good, very good like, subscriber !!

[@Trebseig]

Thank you, and welcome!

[@Tevorier2nd]

0:01 This vortex is like a tornado not like indoor t

[@juskidding444]

You must have pressure around it.

[@Trebseig]

There is no higher pressure around it, just lower pressure on top.

[@jatnielubaldo2313]

Si el disco genera el vortice si se elevaria

[@Trebseig]

¡Exactamente! Pero como ¿Cómo puede el plato crear su propio tornado? Esa es la pregunta.

[@CurcuitsProductionz]

Where do I buy one of those

[@Trebseig]

You don't. You can make it yourself.

[@nova-ce7jc]

wow

[@user-fs3mx2nx4d]

Tin cook on top of the mercury alcachofa to land in 1:03

[@INDIAN-pb7ix]

Veda or vedas explains about vortex. Indian's rocks.

[@pvc988]

Cool mushroom.

[@Trebseig]

Mushroom? What have you been eating? ;-) And what kind of mushroom do you see in the vortex?

[@ronaldsykes966]

now that's interesting, not because of any of the stuff going on but the suttle other stuff going on we all know that a tornado lifts stuff, but did ya know the colorful rings are where the fun begins. put the tornado inside your ship and pump out the rings. then your going plaCES.

[@Trebseig]

Hmmm, ok, I like colors and going places. CES?

[@SolcitoBeatle]

Why colors appear?

[@willhaney96]

the redaction of light at different angles relative to where it is in the spectrum.... is a cloud basically...

[@md-1186]

Who else came here expecting to see Vortex lift(Delta wings)

[@timelord6063]

It looks impressive but not to sure how you can say this is ufo technogy.

[@Trebseig]

Who knows what UFO technology is? This vortex lift is real, and out of the ordinary, though not ready for flight and useless in space.

[@edbstrung]

My comment is Sci-fi/Sci-fact/Entertainment/Comedy: Did you know that by creating an extremely powerful vortex that you may accidentally be hacking into the 5th dimension & higher dimensions? Look at the the glass after your vortex begins to calm down. There is always a face staring back from the other side.

[@MikaelMurstam]

You create a low pressure above it and thus the air pressure underneath it lifts it up. Just like an airplane. Just a very very inefficient one.

[@Trebseig]

A wing does it in a very different way, and I guess you have no clue how to compare efficiency now do you? You are being a bit negative today.

[@justsaiyansteve]

Id like a Big Mac with Large fries and a Coke.

[@immortaliserwow]

Hahah yeah, that's exactly how it works. UFOs have never been noticed apart from tornadoes :D This will make a good vacuum-cleaner though

[@Baigle1]

what is the diamagnetic strength of a type 1 superconductor compared to liquid water, and how strong of a magnetic field was needed to float the frog? besides the material density and electron number, what is another factor that affects the diamagnetic strength of a particle? Define "Lorentz Force".

[@Tevorier2nd]

0:01 just A Inflow form tornado p

[@buritoboris4798]

i Take this Vid for my channel to link u

[@GIGI-jd5nz]

Bello, un tornado in miniatura. Bonsai tornado.

[@Trebseig]

"Bonsai tornado" I like that :-)

[@TibiSitibira]

nice video to explain (visualise) what electromagnetic propulsion does (hidden in flower of life ✻ thats more than ⑩ thousand years old like many believes ) ₪itibira₪

[@dudarromeo5872]

Can someone make a sound vortex ? I dare u

[@offenergurtel2059]

just air.. no anti gravity.. still cool tho

[@Trebseig]

No, yea; I am still working on the anti gravity part! Just air so far.

[@raymondhambrick9324]

Enough of a vortex, also called tornado, can make a pig fly, does that make it a UFO pig ? Technology ?

[@Trebseig]

That makes: pigs in space! But seriously; I think that a tornado kind of airflow is the best way of lifting an UFO shaped aircraft, unless you know of a better technique.