#10MinuteTalk

After we discussed the .243 in a previous 10 Minute Talk, many of you requested a similar episode on the venerable 22-250 round. A popular varmint, coyote and even potential deer/antelope cartridge with an incredibly cool backstory, the 22-250 is still a popular cartridge to this day, and we owe it all to some wacky wildcatters in their basements for devising this little beast. Ryan Muckenhirn joins Mark and Jimmy to discuss the who, what, where, when, why of this lean, mean, varmint-huntin’ machine!
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[@wrongway6100]

I grew up in rural Ohio we had 3 rifles and a shotgun . My first was a single shot .22 and then a Marlin .22 semi-auto ,but I was always waiting for the day my Dad would put me behind the glass on the 22-250 the day came he lifted me up onto a hay roll . I made quick work of that groundhog at about 100 yards I was about 7 or 8 and very proud but did not show it . That was in the 70's when the farmers would let you loose in their fields and let you fish their ponds afterwards . Those are memories of the America I love to recount .

[@anderson9767]

.22-250 is one of my favorite rounds. Needless to say I was a tad offended by the white claw comment. In all honesty it’s a great round especially for Varmint hunting. I personally use it for coyotes, hogs, and deer.

[@DPIDDY69]

He lost me at saying he just shoots the 243 instead. 22-250 is the finest 22 caliber center fire on the planet. GUNBLUES history on the cartridge is fantastic

[@JRDavis-hj4si]

I have a New England 22-250 handi-rifle. Best rifle ever made.

[@DrRxDawg]

And the white claw comment…ouch.

[@MrJtin69]

I prefer my custom 220 awift with a fast twist rate due to bigger cartridge

[@MrJtin69]

@@DrRxDawg ryans not wrong

[@karlfredsall116]

I've never had a White Claw but it must be pretty kick ass juice!

[@myname7654321]

Love yalls podcasts. Yall should have a 10 min talk about the 204 ruger and its development.

[@mrgooddeeds3115]

I wish that I would’ve seen your post before commenting. I totally agree with you. 👍🏻

[@balaton1]

22-250 was a round that I just read about over decades. Then I got a rifle (1 in 12 twist) and a vortex strike eagle and started chasing the 35/ 40grn vmax and varget powder. A month later, with a COAL of 2.40" and varget powder I shot my first 1 hole, 5 shot cloverleaf. That was yesterday. Today I shot my first 1 hole, non cloverleaf with both the 35 and 40 gr vmax at 100 3 times each. I jumped from the table and my range mates turned their scopes to see those shots. I was king for a day. I'm old Navy, so I'm not a rifleman as my USMC mates are. I have never shot this good, ever, from any rifle. 200 yards and 4" steel this load just goes ping. To me it's the most astounding round I have ever fired. 3 shots into a string with 1 hole gets my blood going. And to follow the next 2 the same? My rifle is a CVA cascade 22.250. I am determined to shoot this barrel out by the end of the year and replace it over and over until I die. My .223 bolt gun has been ladder tested at leat 15x more than the 22-250 and NEVER came close. My other bolts are a CZ 22lr and 17hmr, the other rifles are all levers, no optics. For what it's worth. I know I should look into 6.5 Creedmoor, but the KZbin groups are just not tight enough from what I'm getting from this old wild cat round. Your milage may very, but inside of 250yds, I'll take the 22-250.

[@KeystoneTexan]

The 22-250 is the best varmit round hands down!

[@chriscunnane6596]

i started using a savage single shot good guns affordable,and easy to put ona new tube

[@tunafish8769]

Absolutely! I coyote hunt with a Remington 700 chambered in 22-250. I love that rifle.

[@jabomorrison154]

243 is

[@mikecap580]

220 Swift

[@tristanmadsen5062]

Seeing way to many people complain about the gentleman’s opinion of the 243 over the 22-250! I love both calibers for coyote, deer and antelope!

[@tristanmadsen5062]

@Long Nards my opinion yes I only shoot 45 grain out of 22-250 and 100 grain out of 243 those are just the grains my rifles seem to like the best

[@CQCMachine]

Killed my first few deer with the 22-250! I honestly have more use for it than 6.5 Creed

[@DoomsdayIsComing73]

I used to be the, I need a .308 or .30-06 caliber guy (mostly because of my military experience and developed bias). Until the 6.5 came on the scene. THEN I discovered the .22-250. Here in Texas, it’s ALL you need for Deer, Hogs, and Coyotes. I have since sold my .308 and .30-06 bolt actions, still have my AR-10, though.. 😂Just a fantastic round for numerous applications. Gotta love that muzzle velocity, and BC… Just packs a pinch for a .22 caliber.. That White Claw comment was a little below the belt, though..

[@nicholasschenck641]

Can we get some talk on the forgotten 22 cal hero, the 222 Remington?

[@stephenland9361]

My Remington 700 BDL, heavy long barrel, 40 years old in .22-250 has been the bane of many a coyote on local farm and ranch land.

[@cpfpv6410]

I still don't understand why the LR-308 (AR-10) market exploded with 6.5 creedmore and not 243 win with a little faster twist rate.

[@rideswift]

Great talk, Im a big fan of the 22-250, I currently own a couple of them. One fun fact is that Hodgdon named H380 powder after his pet load for 22-250. 38 gr of powder under a 55 gr bullet was ..and is, a very accurate recipe. I use Sierra Blitz Kings and am getting sub .5" groups at 200 yards from a Savage model 10 PH Max-1

[@jamesshaunblackmon9365]

Good talk right up to him say the white claw comment and preferring 243 over a 22-250, then I started questioning,,,,

[@VortexNation]

We've all be questioning that one for a while now... :)

[@chriscunnane6596]

i don't think they have much experience hunting

[@bobbyhaney522]

@@chriscunnane6596 it kind of seems that way, I live in Kansas and have shot deer with 22-250. Coyote's and I drug it to Texas and shot Hogs with it. Put them crosshairs ride in a pig's ear they don't take a step

[@calvinborer6572]

My 6.5 creadmore is also like white claw FREAKIN BOMB🤟 #nolaws

[@thomaswilson517]

Parent cartridge dates from 1920. Modern cartridge? Wildcat until 1969? Greatly underappreciated!

[@robspath4203]

These cartridge talks are awesome!

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

If you have a 26” 22-250 you can punch through just about any body armor out there with just shear velocity. It hits armor like a black tip does..

[@hunterk6040]

I really enjoy your mixture of cartridge history/evolution, practical use for the round including bullet weight and speed. Really interesting stuff. Similar to what Ron Spomer does. Great work. Appreciate you guy very much. I learn a lot from your 10 minute talks. Thank you

[@stevenbaker572]

I really enjoy this series! Well done guys!

[@jwat2396]

Love the 22-250. I've made some wild shots with it and I've always been impressed with what you could accomplish with that little hotrod.

[@csw.youtube]

Great round, we use them a lot here in the UK for pest control.

[@beecoo66]

OMG, I have killed more deer with this thing back in the day. I killed a coyote at 500 yards as a kid. 55 grain HPBT reload

[@richardmartinek3467]

I was pushing a 55gr moly ballistic tip at 4000fps with around 1\2in groups. Love it

[@hbk22578]

Love your videos. Do you guys upload podcasts to other sites that are longer? It is quite enjoyable listening to the history!

[@waynesmith5629]

Don’t forget the sweetest of them all the triple deuce

[@frankholdburg2433]

I think a lot of it comes down to location and application of use. I see a lot of people griping about the "high recoil" comments, but what people are forgetting is that a mainstay in varmint shooting is being able to spot your impacts and more importantly spot your misses. The 22-250 was designed with larger fur bearing animals (coyotes) in mind shooting lighter weight high velocity rounds for minimal pelt damage. The 22-250 has had to be tweaked and barrels spun much faster in order to fill the gap for deep/antelope with heavier bullets to accommodate more appropriate medium sized game bullets (excluding the absolutely fantastic barnes 55gr ttsx.) I think the sweet spot is a 1:10 or a 1:12 twist barrel that can stabilize a 50 or 55gr vmax type round and a 60gr partition. That is if you are forced to have one rifle.... lets be honest though, there is no GREAT do it all calibers that are fur friendly. There are only calibers that do one or the other marginally well and usually you have to pick the correct twist rate which in the end compromises the strong point of the cartridge.

[@peckerwood2945]

alot of valuable info thanks fellas AWESOME

[@kickinwing_38]

Got a bergara b14 hmr 22.250 with a 1-9 twist topped with a vortex HST 6-24x50. With a zero MOA rail, I have banged steel at 700 yards with a 55 and 63 grain bullet. Neck dropped a doe at 280 with a 55 gr hornady varmint in a pinch.

[@tylarhaugan7908]

I wonder for the 1 in 9 twist would stablize a 70 grain accubond

[@johnballantyne6853]

My .22-250 is 25 years old, i’ve just had it’s barrel checked and the gunsmith says it is mint. It is moderated, with a 1 in 14 twist so it doesn’t stabilise a bullet over 60gn, but it shoots them into a half minute at 100 yards. ❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@georgecruz6226]

Super fast round! Lets hear some talk on the 300RUM! Love the vids!

[@robertstewart7856]

Reloaded my 22-250 used hollow point factory specs on powder and found it to be vary brutal impact. Vary flat shooting round. Had a 218 bee i reloaded for too.

[@missourirebel9669]

22-250 is a very light recoiling round...I have loaded them with 45 to 60 grain bullets over 3000fps and all were a joy to shoot

[@tonytice6207]

I just watched this podcast for the first time. I just finished my first build of an AR10 chambered in 22-250. I don't know about the White Claw of cartridges... it has way more spice than that. I'd say more of the Bloody Mary of cartridges. Great program.

[@grampa243]

this needs to be in the Cartridge Talks playlist. almost didn't see this one

[@brucerichardson1498]

Ton’s of fun to shoot, daughter has already spoken for my 700 VTR. Amazing how quickly you can get back on target with this round, shot after shot.

[@mikehagan4320]

I've seen a lot of Montana mule deer fall to the .22-250. Remington core lok 55 grain. Out to 500 yards.

[@REVOLVERS365]

I agree . It hits like a sledgehammer

[@BrunerRoughneck]

I grew up on whitetail with it and my only gripe is no blood trail if you don't drop them in their tracks. High level shooters on deer no problem, kids may have an issue.

[@dustinjacks9087]

Neck or body shots?

[@mtcoiner7994]

@@BrunerRoughneck I will admit I have had that happen to me with my 22-250. Drilled a doe in tall sagebrush and it took me 30 minutes to find her 40ft away from where I shot her because there was no blood at all.

[@mtcoiner7994]

I'm one of them. I kill mike deer every year with my Thomson Center Arms 22-250. Some of these Montana muleys are big bodied.

[@danielmorren5205]

For ground hogs we were using a 45 grain bullet at over 4500 feet per second. My remington has a 10:1 twist. Little dogs at 500yards were dust.

[@lmj2783]

An Amazing little round. The 22250 Ackley improved is a orson fox and Roe deer round . 50gn Nosler 4100 fps Smoking.

[@Peter-cp7xx]

I want to hear an episode about the 22 savage high power!!! Love the channel. My new fav actually!

[@Velshard]

I have a Browning X-bolt Eclipse varminter in 22-250, that rifle will cut a dime at 400 yards. Load is a 52 .grn SMK with about 35 grains of RE-15 pushing it to 3720 FPS. Love that rifle.

[@iambquinn]

Many of prairie dogs in the 500-600yd range have fallen to my 22-250, it’s range is underestimated. Coyotes at same range don’t stand a chance against a VMAX. Very easy to load and my factory Rem 700 VLS shot many loads under 1/2in at 100, my final load of 38.5 H380 50gr VMAX shot 1.5in at 300yds. Love the 22-250!

[@damham5689]

Not a mention about J. Gebby or Wotkyns, who actually invented the 22-250? Back in the 50s my Dad had J. Gebby build a BRNO 22-250 with a 26" bull barrel for him. He then added an Unertl varminter scope. I inherited it and its still an amazing shooting rifle.

[@Me2Lancer]

I'm taking my 22-250 to the range tomorrow with American Eagle 50 grain loads rated at 3800 fps. It's one of the best loads for varmints and predators.

[@jasoncummings1755]

The 22-250 is one superb varmint round! I will never be without one. When shooting coyotes I see way more runners with a 223 than a 22-250. The 250 just flat anchors them better. He says he doesn't own own one? He should try it!!!

[@Jeff_Seely]

God bless the cartridge prowess of Ryan M. I always thought the 22-250 was a 30-06 necked down to 22. I'm fascinated by this man's encyclopedic knowledge. Bravo Ryan!

[@whackemnstackemchronicleso3300]

More like a .308 necked down an 06 is way longer

[@mattporter2244]

22-250 is my go to coyote/wolf round. Out my my remington 783 it shoots .5moa out to 500yds all day long using Hornady Superformance Vmax 50gr

[@dennisjames5982]

Cartridge development has great stories. Great discussion. I love that Browning made a rifle in the 22-250 (if true) and no one made a round for it. Gutsy move.

[@jessehays5975]

I have the 22-250 and I love it I have shot one box of shells so far. Thank you for the information about the 22-250.

[@VortexNation]

Thanks for listening and glad you're loving that rifle!

[@chriscunnane6596]

great to hand load so many possibilities

[@jessehays5975]

I would love to learn how to hand load I think it would come in very handy being able to make your own ammo 👍

[@chriscunnane6596]

@@jessehays5975 go to a good gun store or contact RCBS they make some of the best supplies including complete packages, worlgs info on utube one is the ultimate reloader,hickock 45, MIDWAY,USA,but for gun powger and primers it is easier to buy from a store I hope you are not in calif

[@jessehays5975]

Chris Cunnane no sir I’m from TEXAS and I thankful for the info I have seen some Hitchcock 45 he is great also I would like to make my ammo incase for some reason I couldn’t buy it I think it would be a good skill to have.

[@zillboop4687]

I have a old husqvarna in 22-250 and it one of my favorites

[@ethanamldon5657]

I love my 22/250 its great on hogs and the small dear we have in the south

[@countryboysteve]

I have owned 2 of these rifles and loved everything but the high pitch report. It's a screaming fast deadly round but it kinda like shooting a 357 revolver. That extra zip zings the ears.

[@levihudson2521]

It would be interesting to see a 10 minute talk on the 222 rem, a now unsung cartridge

[@kurtbogle2973]

In Idaho the 22-250 is a deer cartridge as well. with the right bullet it's a very surgical cartridge. tite groups at long ranges. However if you compare the 5.56 to a 22 250 its only 200 fps slower. The problem is most 22 250's have a 1 in 14 twist. a 1in 8 or 1 in 7 makes it capable of shooting the heavy long range bullets.

[@richardbruyere9523]

Always educational guys. Now how about the 257 Weatherby Mag?

[@jamesshedd752]

I love me 22-250 it covers a lot of bases .true it’s not going to bring down a moose but will take just about everything else and it don’t beat me up win win

[@rldooley10]

I used a "classic" load developed by Bruce Hodgdon, a 53 gr. flat base hollowpoint (matchking) and can shoot a 1/4 - 1/2 inch groups at 3700+ fps. (Weatherby Vanguard 2 - with the barrel lapped with a Tubb lapping system [that ironed out the kinks]). Scope - nothing fancy, a Mueller 6 - 18 APV\AO.

[@Luke12582]

My ruger M77 hawkeye mkll likes 34gn of AR2206H powder with a 55gn Hornady V-max projectile. Because of the 1:12 barrel twist, I cannot use the maximum recommended weight projectile which is 70gn. I’ve probably put only 2000 rounds through it varminting in Australia in the 10 years I’ve owned it with no issues. 3800 feet per second is reasonable for a 400 yard flat shooting nail driver.

[@paulmurphy1707]

Would love a discussion of the 257 Roberts. Seems like an all around cartridge that never took off.

[@bradlehman1537]

It was rated the most underrated cartridge by a few gun writers.

[@thomasdaniel6495]

I agree,the 257 Roberts is a great cartridge,but unfortunately the 25-06 pretty much killed it.

[@paulmurphy1707]

@@thomasdaniel6495 .243 did an even better job of that.

[@LC-im3ps]

Just dropped.

[@mackledoodle]

It really took off in certain markets, it just wasn’t widespread. There was a time when most Texas ranchers had one in their truck. It’s a really good one.

[@timfarley6493]

A 22-250 Rem set up correctly has the ability to ring a 1000yd gong repeatedly. A friend and I have custom 22-250’s, his Savage action, and mine a Remington. We both use Shilen barrels 26” finish length, with 1:7 twist. This twist allows us to load Berger 85.5gr Hybrids. My go-to load is H4350 36.7grs with an average velocity of 3286fps, and at 100yds, sub 1/2MOA 5rds groups are the norm, when I do my part.

[@peterschmidt2849]

If you reload the round is unstoppable…..from Barnes copper bullets for hunting up to deer sized game to fast twist 22-250 that can shoot high BC bullets.

[@lauraburandt2655]

Love 22-250 and 243! Depends on what you want if for and where you want to prioritize. If I could only own one rifle and needed it to be versatile for bigger game - then of course I love the 243! The full time coyote hunt rig is 22-250, and it’s hard to beat!

[@worsel2113]

Sorry if you already covered it, but I think the .25-06 is an under-appreciated cartridge that deserves a talk. Drawbacks are the lack of a lot of variety of .25 cal bullets, and being overshadowed by the .257 Weatherby. But the although the Weatherby gives more velocity, it takes quite a bit more powder to do it.

[@VortexNation]

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[@ChitFromChinola]

Hey, what’s the significance of the stack of Spam cans? Love your vids, guys. Keep ‘em rockin’ . . .

[@daviesmith1311]

22-250 has no recoil to speak of its awesome

[@armandobenavides2417]

The 22-250 vs the Valkyrie! Is the Valkyrie a bunch of hype when theirs been the ol 22-250 available this whole time? I have a 22-250 & have been really pleased with it. It was my dads & he was too, however it’s barrel is twisted for varmint. So if both cartridges are twisted for target bullets. Are their any benefits one cartridge offers over the other? With all the hype I almost pulled the trigger on a Valkyrie but then considered the 250. Good stuff very insightful.

[@brandontanis388]

A friend of my dad's called it "the best meat gun available" and used it for caribou in Alaska. Another Alaskan named Heimo Korth uses his for moose.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

250 savage podcast needed

[@legneil]

Being a hunter for 40 years shot a 306,308,30/30,243 and the 22/250. Best one is 22/250 then 306. I put down bull moose’s with 22/250 and never lost any animal with it.

[@jwat2396]

First impressions of my 22-250 was when I shot a lead tipped hunting round at a 5/16 piece of steel and it flew through it like it wasn't there. I then took the same round and shot through a very fat prickly pear cactus pad with a rabbit behind it. The round along with the cactus pad blew sky high. The round never hit the rabbit but the cactus needles did. Young and dumb I didn't realize that would happen. I did get the rabbit because the cactus needles took care of that. Amazing round and a whole lot of fun to shoot.

[@dalegiessmann3729]

I’ve taken deer & hogs and varmints with handloaded 55 gr nosler ballistic tip great caliber and have taken coyotes out to 575 yards

[@The340king]

I have a 22-250 and like it. Traded a shot out a Ruger lightweight 7mm magnum for a Browning Abolt. It shoots tight groups. I actually need a better scope for it. I have a base model Vortex from 10 years ago.

[@mrsnoopyboy69]

10 minutes on the 22 hornet

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

I've always wanted one.That kind of speed is crazy compared to most cartridges around the 3000 fps range. With mono Cooper bullets, these should be certain death.

[@tylerm3371]

I have a 22-250 in the ruger m77 with a bull barrel, absolutely devastating to my ground hog population

[@jeffreyschell9211]

I hunted with a 250sav in a Remington 700 from the time I was 16 til 19 everything from groundhogs to whitetail and never had an issue

[@southfloridaarcheryguy114]

Very informative. I just have one point of contention. As far as the optimal twist rate for the 22-250, it was my understanding that it was more in the 1:10 to 1:14 range. Not the 1:9 or 1:8 as stated here.

[@wesstewart9264]

The faster the twist rate( the lower the number) the heavier bullets it will stabilize. For varmints and lighter bullets the 1:10+ will work. But for heavier bullets and larger game( deer and antelope) the faster twist rates are needed

[@duane.pearce]

A great deer round too..

[@MrMillez]

I’m now getting a 22 250. Thanks gentlemen.

[@VortexNation]

Heck yeah! Thanks for tuning in! Let us know how you like it!

[@jays9611]

how about discussing the forgotten cartriges like 338 win mag or the 35s

[@Alan.livingston]

Once upon a time any farmer i talked to in australia had a .222, fast forward 30 years and they all have a 22-250. Shoots flat and fast and is plenty powerful enough to take out most pest species around the place.

[@Kaelland]

"That level of recoil"? I fired a centerfire rifle for the first time when I was 7. It was my dad's Remington 788 in .22-250. All I can say is "what recoil?"

[@ronws2007]

I would sometimes watch another channel called woodchuckin' and he most often shot a .22-250. Flat trajectory and holds well in the wind. Those guys will dial elevation for distance and use holds for wind. Non-existent recoil.

[@JohnDoe-du6yi]

I have a 22/250 and love it, but it has a lot of down falls. First is it’s Barrel life, second is that it is generally always in a 1/14 twist. It can only shoot 55gr and lighter bullets. It was designed to shoot point of aim at small game out to 300 with 45gr pills at 4000fps. These light fast bullets burn barrels and they have horrible BC’s, so the wind plays hell on them and they run out of gas fast at distance. You guys touched on it, but a 1/8 twist rate would take it to another level. 69gr bullet at 3000fps would have good BC so it would shoot long range, and the slower bullet with less powder would extend barrel life. I honestly would rather have a 243. A 243 can do everything the 22-250 can, but the 243 can do what the 22-250 can’t.

[@jerad4336]

The 6.5 Creedmoor can do everything a 243 can do but even better.

[@nathaniellarson8]

@@jerad4336 6.8 Western can do everything a 6.5 Creedmoor can do, but better... 😂

[@philschroeder6350]

Love what you guys are doing! Have you covered the 257 weatherby at all?

[@VortexNation]

257 Roberts and 300 Weatherby but not specifically the 257 Weatherby! That said, in our 300 Wby podcast we did bring up the 257 for a bit :)

[@mattporter3218]

22-250 is my go to. Shooting a Hornady Superformance 50gr Vmax ive gotten 3" groups at 500yds out of a Remington 783.

[@utahprepper8925]

60 grains at 600 yards all day long. I shot F-Class with mine and it did very well.

[@hazcat640]

The 257 Bob had already done the 3000 fps but Remington crippled it by putting it in a short action instead or the intermediate action it was built for.

[@mentorofarisia371]

Also, the Hornady reloading manual says that the 22-250, unlike many other cartridges, is OK to load down to lower powder levels.

[@nickglyptis1860]

For me and I own one the 22-250 is the world's best varminting calibre hands down.

[@johno1126]

How about some love for the .220 Swift. The next step up from the .22-250. As a side note, I bought my first .22-250 in 1974, a Remington 700 V. Still in the safe.

[@spannaspinna]

I like the swift also but they are virtually ballistic twins

[@Conan361]

Was lucky enough to get my hands on an original 22 varminter custom made by Gebby himself

[@mikedar8484]

Just friggen great... now I have to have one of these also... and another gun safe.

[@herbertsmith6416]

Good job men.

[@paulnelson9907]

The Varmint'er or 22-250 The 22-250 was going to be the 220 Swift, but powers to be picked the 6mm Lee Navy case instead. 220 Swift with factory support became the varmint hunters dream but the 22-250 had a long history of wildcater's until Browning made it a factory gun and Remington made it a factory round. So many wild cat 22-250's were made you had to put the reamer manufactors name on the gun. It was really named the Varimiter in the late 1920's and 1930's.

[@justinburleson359]

Can we please do a 243 win #2 focusing on 110 grain loads and the fact that you need a 1:7 twist. It’s an awesome round

[@ianstuart7395]

22-250 is a very viable cartridge in many ways. Completely overlooked for big game as proven time and again. Most people look at .243 as totally suitable for deer but condemn the use of 22-250. They are so close energy wise it’s ridiculous, with good modern bullet designs even sp bullets in the 55-64 grain range can be outstanding mid sized game rifles.

[@bcoorough]

Almost like a history lesson, I had a 22-250 and it was an awesome coyote gun plus it would make a prairie dog explode.

[@dw5523]

It's so funny learning about cartridge history. The 22 / 6mm / 25 / 6.5 / 7 / 300 creedmoor cartridges are just recreating already existing cartridges - 22-250 / 243 / 250 savage / 260 Rem / 280 Rem or 7 Mag / 300 Win or H&H or Weatherby Magnum. I get that the creedmoor do things a little differently, and represent incremental improvements for precision shooting, but the fuzzy thing on the other side of the scope isn't going to know the difference. Not making a judgment call, just sharing my wonderment at the circular nature of "progress".

[@brettjones9326]

couldnt agree more its alot of marketing too pushing the newest latest and greatest when most been around a long long time but put a different spin on it all sell alot more stuff lol

[@davidlee50]

Is 22-250 more prevalent in the bolt action rifles that say the .224 AR in the Semi-auto?

[@irishoak7269]

It all traces back to the good ol' 30-06 in the end.