Voting Rights: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

John Oliver discusses the current attacks on voting rights, who’s behind them, and what we can do about it.
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[@captunbalanced8553]

As someone from Luxembourg: If Trump was still president he wouldn't be at war with us, because he probably does not know we are a country

[@JohnPanzer0]

He’d put an X in Sharpie on the wrong place on a map of Europe and the Republicans would just gulp and go along with it because none of them would dare to tell him he just ordered a missile strike on the wrong country.

[@Goreuncle]

Jokes aside, Trump was many despicable things, but warmonger wasn't one of them. Trying to pin the warmongering label on Trump, when he didn't get the US involved in any war nor expanded military intervention overseas, stinks of partisan bias and desperation. GW Bush and Obama were warmongers, Trump wasn't (whatever else he was).

[@nedflanders2943]

I'm curious, what do you call yourselves- Luxembourgians?

[@ventusvero4484]

@@Goreuncle I think there is a credible body of evidence to suggest that orchestrating, through deliberate arrogance and willful ignorance used with consent despite evidence to the contrary, the conditions that lead to a single inevitable conclusion makes that person culpable. January 6th is likely a good example.

[@florianschwitzky6352]

@@nedflanders2943 Luxembourger in english, Lëtzebuerger in their native language.

[@vicaria119]

How can the USA's election day not be a public holiday? Apparently voting is a privilege there.

[@mostlymento3068]

Ding Ding Ding. You're absolutely correct.

[@somethingclever4563]

Yep. Some corrupt bs

[@TheDilla]

Always has been.

[@yannick245]

What I don't get is the ID part. I which country on earth you DON'T need a valid ID to vote? I mean who doesn't have an ID? And if it's harder to get one, I think a little more afford (which was laughed at), can be expected. You can come up with hundreds of reasons, on how it is harder to get an ID (whatever that means), having one seems necessary to me. How was it handled before?

[@MidgarMerc]

@@TheDilla beat me to it

[@zeusingame]

“it cant be that easy” the sentence scared me so much because you can really see they treat this like a game and not like peoples lives are on the line

[@makokx7063]

@mllop aeet You mean "secede"? lol

[@seahorse2]

@mllop aeet No. From Canada, we don't want them.

[@Viking_Luchador]

what about Squid Game?

[@marcudemus]

Oh, I know, and as an Iowan who's already enraged at Kim Reynolds for every goddamn thing, this makes me loathe her and this Jessica Anderson at an unprecedented intensity. 🤬🔥

[@flux_casey]

@@spartacus7646 Funny thing, bud. The only people who care about Trump anymore are those on the right. Because, you know, he's not president anymore. Most people are happy trying to move past him. Not you though, eh? Gotta whip out those buzzwords to own the libs just like the good old days, eh? Come on, hit us with an "orange man bad" for old times sake!

[@ryanmuhm7584]

I love how quickly that interviewer blurted out "It's a right!." She ruled.

[@MarceloRamos-uk8cd]

In what time?

[@hoodiesticks]

​@@MarceloRamos-uk8cd5:49

[@yolandaponkers1581]

“I believe voting in this country is a privilege.” Getting a massage is a privilege. Having a say in elections is literally a constitutional right.

[@WanderingYankee]

Well, yes, but no. Remember that episode that John Oliver did a while back about felons who are unable to vote in certain states, even though they completed their sentence? Yea, I'm still peeved about that.

[@vivigesso3756]

The majority of people dont even know who theyre voting for.

[@hermanhoppe3773]

we need a vax pass in nyc. We need id to drink in a bar, to get a job,to get a car,to drive a car,to get a job to start a bussiness, to set up a bank account, to buy a sim, to buy insurence, to buy weed, to get vax. Why not to vote? If showing ID dictatorship so is showing vax card all the time. 72% nyc blacks are unvax so.. Vax passport is racist.

[@jepulis6674]

@@hermanhoppe3773 It is not. Government should pay for temp id if its needed for voting. The people who need wax passes are not the same people who cant vote. Homeless persons are not eating at michelin star restaurants or going to night clubs.

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

The funny thing about that is the US USED TO BE that. Between 1783 up until the 1820's, voting rights is restricted to landed farmers and merchants because they're the only ones that satisfy the prevailing property requirement then included with the suffrage. That and how many of the Founding Fathers like Tom Jefferson HATE factory workers and city dwellers. Manifest Destiny was fueled partly out of the desire to join in the franchise...

[@laura-vv5gd]

I'm from Germany and we had our federal election this Sunday. Elections are always on Sundays because most people don't have to work then. To vote, you receive your Wahlbenachrichtigung (voting notification) in the mail a few weeks beforehand which tells you where you are supposed to go to vote. When you get there, you stand in line for at most 30 minutes, usually less, you hand over the notification, (if you don't have it with you, you simply have to show ID instead) and they cross your name off the list of people registered to vote. You don't have to actively register because you are automatically registered when you move to a town/turn 18. You get your ballot, you make your vote, and put it in the ballot box. That's all it takes. It took us about 2 minutes to vote this weekend. I'm kind of horrified by the conditions in the US.

[@k9cop68]

Not nearly as horrified as us here in the US, having to consistently battle with the race baiting, virtue signaling DCP, doing everything they can to make voting as easily as possible to cheat.

[@n0m4nic]

@@Clusterboy Under Biden? That's... a little harder to disagree with.

[@k9cop68]

@@Clusterboy As long as you are referring to the DCP, you are correct. However WE, who support a constitutional republic, are not.

[@daisyflower2784]

@SussyBaka Germany also does virtually everything in its power to make sure that its citizens actually have an ID, unlike in the US where your access to literally anything is hugely impacted by where you live. There are hurdles US citizens often lack the time and energy to jump through to get an ID, that German citizens never face.

[@rustyshackelford6834]

What do you mean by you are horrified with the voting conditions in the US? It is way easier to vote in the US than what you described in Germany. I cast my ballot by mail as an absentee a month or two before the election even happens!

[@pinpoint0]

The rights vs. Privilege guy is saying some stuff that sounds awfully close to what wealthy southern slave owners might have said

[@ericanair9144]

In Portugal, we only have to go to the nearest school and present our ID. The elections are always on Sundays and everything is very efficient. The last election we had was for city councils and it was super quick. Got there, showed my ID, voted and left. All of this in less than ten minutes. God, I feel lucky now 😅

[@viperswhip]

Here in BC we get one or two days for local elections, a week or so (from 8am to 8pm) for Provincial and nearly two weeks of 8-8 for Federal elections. Most people still typically vote on the final day, idiots. Covid did restrict this a bit, but it was still easy as shit to vote early.

[@qbel4255]

Poland is similar but at some hours you have big queues

[@idenree8606]

Well, the problem is that most people in America think the idea of having to show an ID is racist, even though the facts don't support that.

[@PrometheusMMIV]

So you only have one day to vote, and you have to show ID? Isn't that just as, if not more restrictive that most US states that offer early voting and may or may not require ID?

[@lars7935]

@@PrometheusMMIV In most European countries it's extremely easy, cheap and required in general. Unlike laws in some US states that specifically require forms of ID that are harder to get for minorities. Also it's on a Sunday. That means everyone has time to vote and at least where I live you can always vote via mail.

[@tylerhackner9731]

He’s out of the void and I’m not used to it.

[@tylerw4593]

I honestly prefer the void. Studio laughter has always bothered me.

[@Broockle]

o ye... i didn't realise (╯▽╰ )

[@therightway2412]

Surprised no jokes were made when he transitioned from one place to the other.

[@noor5x9]

Oh god, I didn't know what that weird feeling was. I found it

[@thezyreick4289]

@@tylerw4593 it's not studio laughter, it's just pre recorded being replayed

[@leahb9983]

"But Canada requires voter id!" Yes, but Canada will let you use a student id and a utility bill if you don't have a driver's license. If you don't have those, you can have someone with an id vouch for you. Not exactly the same. "But you can get a free voter id!" If presenting documents proving who you are is good enough to get the free voter id, why wouldn't those same documents be good enough to prove who you are at the polls?

[@nonyabizness.original]

exactly. vouching for your friends and neighbors is a tradition that goes way back in america- until repubs killed that too. in 2008 i went to vote at the elementary school across the street, and found my next-door neighbor dejectedly sitting in the corner of the gym at a little kid desk. i said "hey, neighbor! whatcha doing sitting there?" we were both older homeowners who had lived there for years. he said that they would not let him vote, because his drivers license was recently expired. that's because he was up in age and had become too infirm to drive, so he didn't renew. i turned to the poll worker and said "well i vouch for him!" the poll worker looked relieved and happily called over my neighbor. BUT a stern lady in a bright red skirt suit, standing behind the poll worker, began loudly tapping a pen on her clipboard and vigorously shaking her head. a repub 'observer', she was not allowed to speak, but due to a change in the law, was now allowed to hover over the process. the poll worker deflated, and said that vouching was no longer allowed. the old black man who was my neighbor, and a born-and-raised american, never got to vote for the first black president of the united states.

[@googiegress7459]

@@nonyabizness.original That's a heartbreaking story.

[@jeffreyestahl]

Not to mention that in all those countries requiring ID, the government ensures that all eligible voters HAVE the aforementioned ID. It's not up to the individual. I would say the same here. You want voter ID? Then you MUST ensure that all eligible voters get one BEFORE you get your law enforced, otherwise it's just a perverse form of poll tax.

[@jimmyrussler9532]

6 states require photo ID to vote, and all 6 of them provide a photo ID for free. You people are stupid.

[@jeffreyestahl]

@@nonyabizness.original Worse is the reality of voter list purges. A common theme (oddly enough performed only in Republican controlled states for some reason - whoda thunk, eh?) is to purge thousands (lately hundreds of thousands with the largest number being 1.2 million in the 2018 GA election) of voters (because of ... whatever; the favorite seems to be registration inconsistencies) only to put all but a handful back on the list several weeks (averaging 5-6) after the election. "But those people can provide provisional ballots!" we hear. Unfortunately, any ballot (provisional or otherwise) can't be counted until that person is put back on the list. By the time they're returned to the list, the election has been counted and certified, making all those provisional ballots null and void. "But they can always vote in the next election, so we're not suppressing their right to vote!" we hear. Sorry again, but if there's nothing wrong with them to vote in the next election, there was nothing wrong for them to vote in the current election, so by not allowing their otherwise legal votes to count, that IS suppression.

[@dale8809]

As a veteran this is embarrassing. I signed up to preserve freedom and this is what we do?

[@masterofalltrades_]

To preserve profits of MIC and Big Oil*

[@projectpitchfork860]

You signed up to preserve the imperialist interests of the US goverment.

[@dale8809]

@@projectpitchfork860 so it would seem. Also because I came from a poor family and that was one of the few ways I could pay for college. Didn't see a lot of rich people there I'll tell you that.

[@paulmryglod4802]

Bud, we always have been a cog in a wealth creation/extraction machine. We signed up for a marketing campaign. America is business first, always.

[@capefeather]

A country that's trying to pass a "freedom to vote act" which will be blocked by a leader of one of the two parties in perpetual power, while others in that same party unabashedly say that voting is a privilege, sounds more like a military junta than a democracy to me.

[@kevinkirschenheuter1479]

America was never a democracy, this is a REPUBLIC.

[@capefeather]

@@kevinkirschenheuter1479 I've never gotten that argument when conservatives unironically use it. What do they think they're proving with that argument? "The US is not a democracy" "Yes"

[@asneakychicken322]

@@kevinkirschenheuter1479 ok, you can have that, then just agree to never again claim to represent freedom and democracy for the world, "shining city on the hill" my arse. I hope my country never votes to change from the constitutional monarchy that it is to become a republic, if the US is anything to go by it'll be a step backwards for representation.

[@SuperJohn12354]

Here is a hint if anything have freedom before the bill, it’s not a good thing

[@Mm-zr5qm]

There is already “freedom” to vote. This is to take away more states rights, and perpetuate Mail in voting fraud.

[@rasaecnai]

"I do believe that voting in this country is a privilege." Jesus H. Christ. This person is a state senator. Is American democracy done for? Im not American but my country has history of dictators. You are going there America.

[@andrewbogard2411]

The previous president wanted to become a dictator, he sent his supporters to stop the transfer of power, if all Republicans think like that, then our country is in a sad state, when it is written in the constitution that it is a right.

[@EventH0riz0n]

I'm not American either, but America isn't a democracy, is it? It's a federal presidential constitutional republic.

[@AllWIllFall2Me]

​@@EventH0riz0n Republics are a form of democracy. It's not a direct democracy, but the system as a whole is a type of democracy.

[@MisstressMourtisha]

I know. Its scary people actually agree with it. Right now it's just a bunch of baboons telling everyone they care while stealing their money and then telling the people to blame other people for it. There's so much compartmentalism (the controlling of information and beliefs based on class/demographic) its egregious. People can be informed but still have an implanted form of propaganda at some degree. Sometimes I feel like I'm surrounded by idiots. They'd rather hate their neighbor then the officials that control everything.

[@SerenityM54L2SAM5L5N1]

@@andrewbogard2411 Many lies there. FBI and independent reports have debunked the idea that Jan. 6 was an attempt to overthrow the state and that Trump was involved. Re-evaluate.

[@baka_yu9343]

I will never get over the fact that you're not just automatically elegible to vote when you're a resident of a place and it cannot be taken away from you. You don't have to do anything else other than show up at voting day (or request a mail ballot if you want to vote that way, which is super easy). Here in Germany, we have our own problems, but that ain't one of them, and it shouldn't be one anywhere.

[@HinekoAkahi]

Legitimately, the last few elections my only reason for requesting mail-in ballots was "I simply cannot be arsed to talk to anybody on a Sunday." That's it. _And no one asked me anyway._ The fact that you can be refused a ballot without a "legitimate reason", whatever that is, is absolutely baffling.

[@baka_yu9343]

@@HinekoAkahi Exactly! I've done that too. Or if I have plans on that sunday and don't want to bother with interrupting them, mail is so easy. (Which brings up the fact that American voting is a tuesday and how insane THAT is, since almost everyone has to work there.)

[@desireeespinosa3954]

That’s how our system is supposed to be, but these dicks are trying to change that.

[@test4274]

You are wrong. Du bist komplett hirntot. In Germany you can't vote as a simple resident. You need to be a citizen.

[@mickelodiansurname9578]

I don't know what Americans are up to... Voting rights is just one of a ship load of things they have falling apart. It looks like they are going into meltdown. But to be honest their entire history reads like one ongoing meltdown. But especially since 'Bush 2' it looks like a race to the bottom of the common sense barrel! Some of the things that come out of the US are complete lunacy, and its not looking like there's going to be a halt to it any day soon.

[@joanvanbecelaere5615]

We can't out organize voter suppression. These anti-voter laws - like ones proposed in Ohio - will stop voters like me who need early voting and drop boxes to make voting accessible to those with disabilities.

[@bobhabib7662]

So you're disabled, but getting outside to a drop box is easier? Logic fail. Drop boxes are nothing more than fraud incubators. You want a by mail vote? Vote absentee. No excuse as to why you can't do that. Even the postman will pick up your vote.

[@UUJusticeOhio]

And -- I would prefer not to trust my vote to the post office since the head of the post office seems intent on slowing and disrupting service. It took 3 weeks for a letter from Colorado to reach me in Ohio. I don't want to see that happen to my vote. Ohio had great vote integrity last election. We need to continue that positive practice.

[@bobhabib7662]

@@UUJusticeOhio so you can get to a drop box, but you can't make it to the Post Office due to your disability? Again, fail with your strawman argument. There are likely to be more mail boxes than drop boxes already. Secondly, putting fraudulent votes into the mail is a federal felony. Unlikely to see that happen with "drop boxes". lol what an appropriate name for them. Candidate losing? Never fear, just take a load down to the drive by drop box.

[@onkelpappkov2666]

As a Eurotrash person interested in the USA's development because shit that happens overseas often reaches us with a delay, it makes me a teensy bit sad to see how a person with disabilities speaking out against voter suppression is instantly being bullied by an internet troll who seems to represent a growing fascist movement. I take solace in the thought that they belong to a loud minority but man, it's disheartening.

[@bobhabib7662]

@@onkelpappkov2666 False arguements against voter ID have no place in a democracy. Mind your own business Europe. You simply do not understand any of the situation here at all. People are illegally harvesting votes, telling people how to vote by filling it out for them, then dropping it off for them. Not legal at all. Even in Europe there is voter ID and an immigration policy. We aren't as advanced as Europe in that respect. The only thing that is disheartening is that our liberals care so little about our founding that they are advocating ways to destroy us from within.

[@merissaj4518]

This video, more than any other, had me screaming "F*ck off" multiple times. Blood pressure through the roof.

[@joshuaford9714]

“I don’t like that he is pointing out our efforts to silence black voters, so I think he should sit down and be silenced.”

[@Q269]

Nevermind that POC were one of like 7 listed categories XD

[@HighInquisitor35]

The other guy should of point of ordered his point of order on the grounds of him assuming his reason to bring up black people as him assuming their reason to push the bill.

[@jonjdoe]

Are you saying that uncolored fellow cancelled the colored one?

[@oneirishpoet]

Exactly!

[@HylianFox3]

When he was all "Sit down and shut up" I went "Way to prove his point. Good job, there..."

[@artembentsionov]

“I’m personally offended by him legitimately pointing out certain facts, so I want him to stop.” Are we sure that they aren’t the snowflakes?

[@veryberry39]

These are also the people who scoff about the rest of us "living in fear," while they're peeing their pants every time the idea of brown people having rights is brought up. Or masks, they're terrified of those too. But if they deflect it onto the other party (like a second-grader), somehow it makes them feel better.

[@CoMtLion]

Yes but the GOP weaponizes hypocrisies.

[@katandromeda17]

Was told by a friend’s conservative and very right leaning family member when discussing politics and bringing up specific facts and studies and statistics she yelled in the middle of a store “I don’t care about facts or statistics!” So yeah. Snowflakes.

[@FerociousPaul]

@@katandromeda17 I'm glad they're going mask off now, pun intended. Once someone admits they don't care about truth you can press them on what their actual values are.

[@herb369nichols]

Was there ever any doubt who the snowflakes are?!!

[@minsk666]

USA: unable to solve a problem the other democracies have solved a long time ago. You have the most advanced tech firms in the world but you can't organise a proper voting system.

[@Trapezoidal]

It's been by design from the very beginning here...

[@12HitCombo]

Honestly, the system is pretty decent as it is. The problem is that we have one side trying desperately to reduce the number of votes to increase their chances, so they try to make every claim under the sun that the system is flawed without actually presenting any proof, so that they can get tighter restrictions. The system works great, we just have too many people who think their vote should be more important than someone else's.

[@sirius1696]

Can't or won't?

[@hakxsnow]

USA: Unable to organize a proper voting system but in turn, states can organize gambling systems. (that don't actually pay what they were "supposed" to be for)

[@CINO0816]

They don't want a good voting system. They want one easily manipulated.

[@marky1173]

Hon. Late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in her dissent of gutting of VRA said : “Throwing out preclearance when it has worked and is continuing to work to stop discriminatory changes is like throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you are not getting wet.” Nothing else can be said except the fact that she was right.

[@nifralo2752]

She also refused to guit when Obama was president now Row v Wade has been aborted. Did she really think she'd make it too 100 when she'd had cancer thrice?

[@daneroberts1996]

Black lawmaker: "this bill will make it harder for black and low-income people to vote" White man reading from tiny rulebook: "and I felt personally offended by that"

[@willowdove6703]

He literally said this black man should be “sat down not be allowed to speak”

[@chantalkellyman4591]

Right???

[@kristimeridith4189]

What a snowflake.

[@OlEgSaS32]

"And I took that personally..."

[@tytye8500]

Jesus I read that as black lawnmower

[@johnmcandrew852]

I wish John had talked about how easy registration and voting are in other democracies. We make it tortuous here, but in other countries election day is a holiday, and people are automatically and permanently registered until death. Easy peasy.

[@thomasakagi7545]

It's not really a fair comparison though, comparing America to civilized democracies.

[@johnmcandrew852]

@@TheCkhutton12 You should get out more.

[@johnmcandrew852]

@@TheCkhutton12 Dismissal and rebuttal are quite different.

[@Wolfe1966]

I never understood why the heck you have to register to vote in the USA. Here in the Netherlands everyone over 18 gets card in the mail wich allows you to vote during elections

[@Wolfe1966]

@@TheCkhutton12 every citizen should be able to vote. Your argument about taxes is flawed. Using that argument would mean that people without a job wouldn't be allowed to vote either. Goverment is more than just taxes, it's also about civil rights.

[@ob2kenobi388]

The point of the Jim Crow voting laws was to make it _technically_ possible for black people to vote, but so rare that it basically never happened. Restricting accessible voting is the new Jim Crow.

[@jessicascoullar3737]

This is why compulsory voting is a great idea. It is done in Australia and as a consequence minority viewpoints can’t capture the vote by keeping everyone else at home and the government has to make it easy to vote. We also have an independent, impartial electoral commission who draw up electorates based solely on population and not on political leanings. The fact that politicians get to draw the districts in the USA is insane.

[@oskarhenriksen]

If the US introduced compulsory voting, I bet you'd get huge movements of people fighting for their right to be politically irrelevant 😛

[@antonyduhamel1166]

@@oskarhenriksen For some people in America, you could give them a chest full of gold and they'd protest about how it's their God given right to be rich without having to lift something that heavy.

[@oskarhenriksen]

@@antonyduhamel1166 And if the government gave it too them, it'd be a violation of their God-given right to independence. Or something.

[@WrecklessEating]

Restricting voters access is what those in control do because they are afraid of change which will slowly take their power away. We should always aim for more people to vote.

[@franklin9400]

Except, they are no restrictive laws being passed. The changes are getting rid of pandemic changes, made for social distance and pandemic requirements.

[@Zefram0911]

think about how smart the average person is... half of people are dumber than that.

[@aileenburke4667]

@@franklin9400 omg, are you serious??

[@franklin9400]

@@aileenburke4667 Correct. Most democracies, even including your favorite European countries. Require a photo ID. Don't allow mail in ballots. IDK why you think drive through or 24 hour voting should be a thing. It's not McDonald's. There are security checks on voting in all major democracies for a reason. It made sense to "Stop the spread". "African Americans used drive through voting in that country". Well yeah, it was at the hight of a pandemic. Of course they voted with that option. Doesn't make sense in non pandemic times, and it doesn't restrict them from voting in future election, in person. Like majoirty of democracies around the world.

[@andrewbogard2411]

@@franklin9400 the texas law is only putting one drop box for each county, even in counties that have millions of people such as the one with dallas in it, they reduced the hours of voting on sunday a day that a lot of African Americans go out to vote after church, and so much more. It has so much wrong in it.

[@mariealexandrinne6997]

Seriously, every week it feels like American democracy is falling appart a little more, and it's frankly scary even from afar.

[@MsAnpassad]

USA have never been a democracy.

[@NikomaGrob]

@@MsAnpassad Yes they have, a republic democracy. But it's getting destroyed pretty quickly by those democrats for sure :D

[@MsAnpassad]

@@NikomaGrob No, they haven't. Check out the democracy index and you will see that they are indeed not a democracy, they are what's called a flawed one.

[@scientistsupreme5211]

@@NikomaGrob The hell that mean

[@sownheard]

Democracy is only as good as it's dumbest members. That's why American media is bought by the richest people / corporations. If they inform your opinion you won't have to think critically about there action's.

[@JohnMonash87]

This is why compulsory voting is so good, since it makes it impossible to pass discriminatory laws that make it harder to vote. In fact, since everyone has to vote, it's in the interest of politicians to make voting as easy as possible. In Australia, we pretty much always hold election day on a Saturday and keep the polls open for almost the entire day, which basically ensures that everyone has at least some time to vote during the day. The fact that the States is even having discussions around the right to vote boggles my mind, since here in Australia it's just accepted that when you turn 18, you enroll once and then you're all set. For a country that loves to promote the idea of democracy worldwide, America is bloody clueless when it comes to running their own.

[@vmwindustries]

The major problem with society, is that the youth want a massive amount of progress in their future, and the elderly want things to remain close to what they remember.

[@Mm-zr5qm]

Please define “progress”?

[@mastertrams]

@@Mm-zr5qm Change. That a good enough definition?

[@Mm-zr5qm]

@@mastertrams No. Is “change” always “progressive”? If I have a job that pays me $100k a year and that business goes under, I have to change jobs. If I can’t find a job paying the same, is that “progress”?

[@Mm-zr5qm]

@@mastertrams the median income in the US is $45k a year. Just to be above the poverty level in the US puts you in the top 1% of earners in the world. If you live in the US, you already got a lottery ticket. Quit crying about shit and go out and produce.

[@mastertrams]

@@Mm-zr5qm No, it isn't always progressive. But that will never stop people who don't know better, or even some who do, from claiming as such.

[@pmbluemoon]

Where I am, in a senior community apartment complex, they took away our voting place. Now they offer free rides to voting in my town, BUT, there aren't enough city busses to accommodate all the wheel chairs and special needs people to get to the voting place in time. It's absurd. I wish they could stop suppressing people who WANT to vote, but don't have the accessibility, no matter how hard my little town tries! I commend the city busses to try their best, but we are still not able to get everyone to voting in time. Also, some of the people who have access needs can't stand in line for long periods of time, or can't even be in one place too long (incontinence issues of both kinds, as well as diabetics, were the first topic once our voting place was removed from the building) This is getting to be a horrendous act. My state hasn't pulled any voter restrictions officially, but still, just getting rid of a convenient voting place close to us is an unofficial voter suppression that no laws will put "on the books" so to speak.

[@mcdjinn6975]

You need to sue under the ADA and laws protecting senior citizen’s rights.

[@sunfeatherX3]

If it’s a bunch of old people, that isn’t the worst voting block to cross out. :/

[@joycej9415]

@@sunfeatherX3 plenty of old people are Democrats

[@felinecontrolled]

@@sunfeatherX3 Essentially you're saying voter suppression is okay so long as it's a group of people you don't like.

[@tempestive1]

But you *can* technically still vote, right? So obviously they are correct, absolutely no voter supression going on here. _whistles nonchalantly_

[@user-jn4sw3iw4h]

"This *bill* does ........" -> 'point of order': "I feel I'm personally called a racist, therefore I need the black man who wants to prevent a law to shut up black people, to shut up" Well, if he wasn't called a racist before that statement, he sure should be now.

[@Hagunemnon]

Or, at the very least, he should be called "shut your damn mouth and let me finish before you pipe up like an ill-mannered jackass."

[@Chunkboi]

Well, here’s one possible reply. “I wasn’t calling you a racist, I correctly identified you as one by your behavior as demonstrated in this chamber. Your recent point of order only provides the evidence proving my statement is not a personal attack, as you are abusing the rule of conduct to silence me when I was addressing an egregious violation of civil rights.”

[@user-jn4sw3iw4h]

​@Rita 25 y.o - check my vidéó The issue there is the 'second case' he mentioned. Voting suppression based purely on party-lines is technically legal (it shouldn't be, but it is. This is also something that needs to change...... another entrypoint for the discussion on ending the 'individual veto, bullshit' that is the fillibuster) Voting suppression needs to be shown to be racially based. And in a way that's less circumstantial than the 'literal nazi's, tried a literal coup, on behalf of the party that proposes (and benefits from) this proposed law' While you bring up an interesting point on the former, for the latter we need exactly 'not that'.

[@amswain1]

I am from New Hampshire. "Florida with foliage" is pretty accurate. Also, not only do we have no adult seat belt law, but no motor vehicle insurance requirement, either! Yay cars!

[@dcs326]

Or a motorcycle helmet law lol 😂

[@cantthinkofabettername3889]

Last time Last Week Tonight covered this issue, they pointed out that a Voter ID station in a small rural town was only open for four days a year - and one of those days was after the election.

[@marcusalm7350]

"Voting is a privilege" No. Just no.

[@aceous99]

In that rich white mans eyes, if your not rich and white, your probably a damn felon. and they can't vote! LOL!

[@richardrobbin2225]

Well yeah, originally it was just landowners who were allowed to vote. So America was pretty flawed from the get-go* That guy is living in that past. * like to often think we've improved a bit, Sometimes

[@izuev2677]

Yes. Peasants should not vote

[@christinebenson518]

@@izuev2677 I read your comment as pheasants should not vote. Now I'm sad that pheasants don't get to vote. We need to get the Supreme Court of Dogs, Lobster, Gritty and whatever they came up for Barrett on this.

[@izuev2677]

@@christinebenson518 that I agree!

[@nicolebogda1482]

Not only what our ethnicity is, but discrimination of the “classes” financially. Single mothers, ppl who have to work during voting hours, the time it takes to get the votes in, etc. Ppl can’t afford to lose jobs to vote. Should ABSOLUTELY be a National holiday to the point even essential workers are given time needed to vote. Because, as it was said….it is our right as a nation.

[@suburbanhobbyist2752]

The Voter ID laws did not make it more difficult to vote by placing weird restrictions on voting times. They changed some times but also ADDED other times that were even easier for working people to vote. That was yet another myth created by the Democratic party. I could agree with a national holiday for voting, or make it Sunday or whatever, AS LONG AS WE FIRST SHORE UP OUR SECURITY BY REQUIRING ID TO VOTE.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@suburbanhobbyist2752 And do you also believe that every American should be issued a free ID by the government or do you support what is just a poll tax in disguise?

[@hedgehog3180]

Or at least place voting days in the weekend.

[@gietmex]

Yes I want a holiday for voting ID, or make it so that jobs can excuse you for voting similar to how they do for jury duty.

[@schwig44]

@@gietmex jobs can excuse now. the words you're looking for are HAVE TO.

[@mojosabien]

Seems that there is a simple test to measure the moral standard of any bill going through the Senate. If Mitch McConnell is against it, then it’s probably good the the American people, if he’s willing to filibuster it, then it’s probably vital to the country as a whole.

[@julmaass]

When voting margins are less than 1%, making it 5% harder for someone to stay in line to vote, or get off their shift before polls close, or get a valid ID, or just STAY on the voter rolls... that's ALL YOU NEED to change the election outcome!

[@MultiSciGeek]

I've been watching this show for about 5 years now, throughout thinking "oh that's a minor problem, they'll fix it in no time"... and here I am 5 years later rolling my eyes at the stupidity and shallowness of some of these problems. Like come on! Enter the 21st century, America!

[@zaczane]

Too many old people living in 1950/1970

[@WarEagle1023]

Once the old people die it’ll be a lot better...I hope...I’m 25 and there are a lot of racists in my generations...

[@josephdonovan2123]

Its all Regan's fault. He was the worst president we've ever had.

[@christopherperrote7780]

@@josephdonovan2123 all of them were and are trash

[@christopherperrote7780]

@@WarEagle1023 and that's why I, as a young person who is vaccinated, refuse to wear a mask indoors. Let's help them die off.

[@thetoastedhydro9269]

I do think that ID requirements for voting should be strict, but I also think that getting said ID should be EXTREMELY easy

[@austinrutherford4487]

I dont know what he means by strict. I think its a convenient blanket statement. Because in both Texas and Georgia voter integrity laws, any form of id is acceptable. drivers license ssn card, birth certificate. any of those is acceptable. Again, i think the phrase , strict voter laws, is just a blanket statement easy to be repeated over an over, and its never called to the matt and it sounds bad or sounds like something people would be opposed.

[@thetoastedhydro9269]

@@austinrutherford4487 I think the ID should be government issues and have a photo on it to easily confirm identity. Have a system where you can scan the barcode on the ID to tell for sure that it is real and verify information. It would take 2 minutes max to verify at the point of voting.

[@sirius1696]

Why do we need strict ID laws? Is there a demonstrable voter fraud epidemic?

[@rudesword2852]

@@sirius1696 because a person is good. People are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling. Many simply cannot be trusted to act with integrity, and in such cases, rules, laws and discipline help them stay inside the lines and be productive members of society. Ssn numbers, tax id numbers, drivers licenses, state id's, passports, birth certificates all serve a good purpose. Voting is a benefit of the privilege of being a citizen in these United States and should be treated as such. As much as people try to hate on it or talk smack, it is a privilege to be here.

[@rcwlson1]

Oh god, the guy who claims not to be racist immediately following it up with "also you can't call me racist" is sickening.

[@heatherm1092]

"it is possible to out-organize voter suppression." Well, maybe, but we shouldn't have to do that in the first place. There shouldn't be something/someone that's suppressing votes in the first place.

[@joshuakevinserdan9331]

But there is, so move your arse because those bloody republicans are moving theirs.

[@LG123ABC]

Dead people shouldn't vote.

[@behemoththekitty]

Sadly, the most powerful man in the country doesn't get it.

[@g.d.graham2446]

Exactly

[@MushfiqueBinHossain]

@@LG123ABC there is evidence that shows fabricated votes are in the minimal/marginal numbers, and are ultimately discarded cause there is a screening process in place? :\ wasn't there a trump issued third party that looked for voter fraud and found none?

[@sixthjayhawk]

Moved to Colorado five years ago. Was automatically registered to vote when I got a new drivers license, and I get my ballot in the mail every November. I fill it out and drop it off at the county courthouse, but other people mail it back. It’s easy, simple and it works. I wish all states were like this.

[@ferb7o2]

This is amazing!! why aren't more states implementing a system like this

[@jjb123455]

Washington is basically the same. Vote by mail and a couple polling places. It is insanely easy and encouraged here...and our voter turn out reflects that. Whats crazy is that our rural(generally right leaning) half of the state actually approves of it for the most part. Not having to drive 2 hours to a polling place is a huge plus for them. Also, our Secretary of State, who has built and implemented this system over many years, is a Republican. Like one of the only ones eleceted to state office. We all love her when it come to voting rights and policy, so this progressive state keeps voting her in. And she defended voting by mail up and down all last year while the rest of the party shat all over it.

[@mayanpaw]

Don't forget the amazing "Blue Book" that explains what all of the ballot initiatives are, breaks them all down, and gives reasons for and against each one. I love that book so much

[@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe]

And which way does that state vote? You have your answer.

[@CSXIV]

California's been encouraging vote by mail for years. My county has even been floating the idea of having only vote by mail and not setting up polling places on election day due to how many voters are on permanent vote by mail (note that CA has early voting with government offices having voting booths set up for 2 weeks; these would not go away on election day). There's also drop boxes everywhere; I could walk to a drop box for the recall. This year, ballots were automatically mailed to everyone due to the pandemic and it looks like that change will be permanent. And if you're concerned with your ballot not getting in, you can actually get an email confirmation that your ballot has been received. And want to know why it's not how some other states do things? The automatic vote by mail can be credited as one of the reasons the recall failed.

[@miasmacaron]

Watching this after having my gallbladder removed was a bad idea, almost bust my gut at that lobster bit.

[@konradhollenstein5813]

German here. You don't need prove of ID to vote in the US? Can anyone vote then, no matter if you are a citizen or not?

[@gilesluver]

Funnily enough, if the Lt. Governor of Texas knows 10 methods, you can probably bet he's tried all of them

[@spiellyable]

Hahaha! Yep. And all were written straight into their hideous new bill and codified into Texas law.

[@WeBeGood06]

Harris County Texas used FAKE "Paperless" Voting Machine, the method of cheating that Republicans never talk about. To get a REAL Paper Ballot, Harris County voters needed to use Mail-in Voting.

[@gilesluver]

@@WeBeGood06 is this sarc?

[@villaniousmustache4898]

@@WeBeGood06 nah the votes were there. I saw people counting them and I voted. I think you're full of crap though, that's a truth

[@GailColeman]

My thought too! Like, how do you know all these ways to easily cheat in an election? Was that a course you took, maybe a GOP pre-election training?! I feel certain he DOES know what he says he knows and will test those methods any chance he gets!

[@kyolicious]

I guess Adam Driver will be glad to see that John’s moved on.

[@zeusnitch]

Just momentarily distracted by lobsters, that's all

[@meritmaniastudios4408]

He's trying to make Adam jealous

[@huntingwithlewis7801]

To lobsters lol

[@KatStrega]

Adam Driver is secretly an enormous lobster wearing a human suit. We know how much John loves mascots...

[@erikab5412]

Merit Mania Studios He's trying to fake him out.

[@braesidebikes4344]

In Canada we have advance voting like 1-2 weeks ahead of the last day (so you have 7 to 14 DAYS to vote, including weekends), stations with long hours (early and late), your employer has to give you time off to vote, you don't have to bring ID - a utility bill and other similar documentation will do, or you can bring nothing at all and have someone with their own ID vouch for you, you can vote by mail and polling stations are plentiful. WTH America.

[@Moncriefs]

""Attorney General My Pillow Guy" lmfao! Man that was funny

[@NexEterna]

As a brandon, I am offended with both the tenacity of which another Brandon was mocked and the accuracy of our preferences. That wheel can get it

[@ZijnShayatanica]

That. Wheel. Can. Get. IT.

[@bwarned]

no

[@nezumired]

As someone who has lived in both Florida and New Hampshire, I can confirm. NH does enjoy slightly fewer reptile related hijix, but they make up for it with bears. Including a libertarians town taken over by bears.

[@t0jota]

Chandler

[@MsAnubisia]

Never forget the bear town.

[@12harrypotterfan34]

As someone who grew up in New England not far from the NH border, "Florida with foliage" may be the most accurate description I've ever heard.

[@Sullaban]

Nezumi R sounds very interesting New Hampshire I mean, Nezumi R I made an original which I put on KZbin and here I give you a link. Why? Because the subject is very very important. The link here goes, I confess not exactly on topic at all but it is worth a look thank you very much kzbin.info/www/bejne/epyyg5h_rtmChpY

[@ericc9321]

That just sounds like East Idaho to me.

[@lukek8357]

Voting shouldn't require any registration or renewal of registration. All American citizens should be automatically registered at the time of their 18th birthday and be able to attend any voting location and present any form state or federally issued identification and be allowed to vote. It's not that hard! Australia can do it with almost no effort and we just update our address when we move. We are all required to vote but technically you don't have to mark the paper you only have to have been given the ballot paper and have your name ticked off the roll.

[@RealSnarb]

13:40 I'm an election technician and I'm here to say that no, you can't think of 10 reasons you could "steal" thousands of votes. You don't think we check these things? You don't think we'd notice thousands of extra ballots just sitting around? Do you actually know how elections work? I'd really like his answer, honestly. I want to hear what he has to say about the matter, for my own entertainment.

[@mrmoment6061]

That would involve credibility Wich if check would screw them over. Though I would love to see that too. It's comical when these grifters have to actually explain themselves. Just watch Alex Jones and he recent legal problems.

[@rightfitfitnessperformance8209]

How come Jimmy Carter’s senate election got overturned for voter fraud in Georgia. Please don’t pretend that voter fraud happens

[@manuelschneider1105]

they know their voters don't know how elections work. Good enough for them

[@NewMessage]

"This is technically the better timeline." Hunh. I've never felt an involuntary shoulder slump before. Neat.

[@sebcw1204]

i disagree, the timelines diverged in 2000. bush was the start of the idiot timeline.

[@HarryPujols]

We would have hit the 10 millionth COVID death months ago with the shitshow that was going on, and we’d gotten more mass shootings because some white vigilantes saw “Antifa burning cities to the ground” on Facebook.

[@sbyers1978]

I agree with you. I thought Trump was pretty bad, but he has nothing on how incompetent Biden is..

[@themysteriousgravityfalls]

@@sbyers1978 Elaborate? What has Biden done that's offended you? Please be specific

[@monicarodriguez9797]

@@themysteriousgravityfalls that he is a Democrat. But they ignored to acknowledge the Republicans only care about the Rich not the regular citizens.

[@crazyandcurious2585]

In Finland voting is a fundamental right. when you turn 18 the state sends you a letter to reminds you that you should vote because it is a fundamental right. Even prisoners vote.

[@mousermind]

Unfortunately, that's where we differ. Here in America you lose the right to vote once imprisoned. Prisoners are still Americans (or at least they are if they were before imprisonment) and deserve the right to vote.

[@nalanibelvin251]

Another reason America should be following Finland's lead

[@StewyAdamRules]

Voting should be much easier, but I don’t think all prisoners should be allowed to vote. If it’s minor sure, but high security murderers and rapists cease to be people in my eyes and should have any rights at all.

[@zerarch77]

@@StewyAdamRules Do you really think less than 3% of prisoners would have enough combined political power to do anything bad? The voter suppression laws being passed today are infinitely more dangerous than prisoner votes could ever be.

[@whatabouttheearth]

In the US currently incarcerated convicted felons, released convicted felons and people dishonorably discharged from the military are barred from voting, getting public services such as food stamps, or owning a firearm other than a black powder firearm.

[@AowchMyFoot]

I've never laughed so hard at anything like I did at that members only commercial

[@Mayhemsmom]

Wait they don't send out voter registration cards that tell you the closest polling place is and gives you a list of acceptable ID to take with you? I have dual citizenship but vote in Canada because I live here I just always thought it at least made as much sense as the Canadian voting system . Holy hell .

[@DzheiSilis]

They do in the states that I have lived in.

[@Mayhemsmom]

@@DzheiSilis I thought they did but it's been a long time since I was in the USA election time so I wasn't sure about it.

[@braesidebikes4344]

you don't even need the registration card or ID in Canada. You can bring a utility bill and other documentation or bring nothing at all and have someone with their own ID vouch for you. You can also advance vote like 2 weeks ahead, or mail it in, and your employer has to give you time off to do it. It's wonderfully easy here.

[@DzheiSilis]

@@braesidebikes4344 Sounds like the US then.

[@ericnikus]

I'm one of the 43,000 votes that made a difference (georgia specifically)! Got many friends to vote for the first time :D

[@isabellemayer2296]

Thank you 🙏

[@johnny_eth]

We need you to do serious activism and flip the state in 2022. Help Stacey Abrahams.

[@tokul76]

Problem is that on Jan 5th your state elected two senators not by just voting. Election official asked people not to self suppress themselves. Red counties self suppressed themselves. All reds had to do is go and vote same way as they voted in November. They did not. Voter turn over was smaller.

[@annmbadzinski]

Thank you!!!

[@neon-rc6lc]

Thank you and thank you again 🙏

[@MellonVegan]

Having just had an election yesterday (ended at 6 pm, we had preliminary results within the hour and final results by now), the stark contrast is so apparent. Anyone got an invite to vote via their mail (or could get another one from their local town hall if they lost or didn't receive it), had the chance to go to their local booth with it and their ID (usually less than 5 minutes away by foot) and cast their vote. On a sunday where almost no one is working. In 2016, the US had 55% of people of legal voting age vote, while 86% of registered voters did. Such a huge number of people clearly not allowed into the process.

[@MajorMlgNoob]

Bro I wish we had the German Electoral System lol

[@robert-janthuis9927]

That is also in large part because people either a) don't care, or b) feel like their vote has no impact. How many Republican supporters will just straight up not bother to vote, in say, California? Why would they? The Democrats are going to win California and due to the way voting works in the US if your party doesn't win your vote is worth nothing. Most likely these numbers would go up if they 1. Make Election Day a national holiday, 2. End voter Fraud, and 3. Get rid of the First Past The Post system.

[@PhilfreezeCH]

Guten Tag nördlicher Nachbar, wir Schweizer haben Gestern auch gerade abgestimmt.

[@HermanTG]

Most of the time you don't even need to show your ID (you should have it ready tho), the invitation is enough. And voting by mail is very easy.

[@ryaneylee]

@@robert-janthuis9927 "2. End voter Fraud". There's the dog whistle. I guess you haven't bothered to listen to Oliver telling you that multiple studies and audits, including that recent one in Arizona, have repeatedly shown that there is no widespread voter fraud as framed by Republicans.

[@felixbibeau261]

Canadian here. If you have Republican friends saying we also have voter ID laws here, they're right. They're forgetting one very important detail though. Since we have universal healthcare, everyone has a state issued health card that can be used as an ID to vote. That's why our laws are fundamentally different. So if you have a Republican friend praising our voter ID laws, agree with him and propose universal healthcare ! P.S. Universal healthcare is great. I broke a vertabrate three years ago and went to the hospital. I barely waited, I was seen a few times by a doctor, got an MRI, and I was out by noon the next day. Didn't have to pay a dime out of pocket, didn't even have to pay for the neck brace I had to wear. Don't believe the fearmongering ✌️

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

Seppos who break their legs in oz are stunned they get to keep the crutches and the hosiptial doesnt say bring them back.

[@user-od9iz9cv1w]

I am Canadian. Just on the other side of Lake Ontario. Voting is easy. There are gov't web sites to tell you how and where to vote. The gov't sends out your voter card to make it easy. You can vote by mail, or you can go for early voting. Usually, no line up at all. If you wait till the voting day, maybe at most an hour. Usually under 30 minutes. (Pandemic had some problems) Even with all that we have a lousy turnout which something we need to work on.

[@am53n8]

Voting in the Netherlands is so easy, so seeing this mess is just unfathomable

[@Chris_W]

I know right? We like complaining about our politics over here and I mean they are far from perfect, holy shit if it aint a couple leagues above the shit the US pulls on its citizens.

[@michiganscythian2445]

My friend in Hungary couldn’t believe that vote counting took so long, that our voting day is on a Tuesday instead of a Sunday, and said that the electoral college was the dumbest thing he had ever heard of. This from a a guy who voted for the Jobbik party in Hungary

[@thecommunistgodsnews443]

Long live Communism kzbin.inforrtaIwwceEk?feature=share Long

[@benverzijlbergen2968]

Imagine when we start voting by DigID.. from the comfort of your own home.. or wherever you are, by phone! We're allowed to do all the other important government stuff through it, so it would be the next, logical step to get as many valid votes from people as possible.

[@felicia3924]

@@benverzijlbergen2968 I can see that. But you do have to think about the rule that says you can only enter a voting booth by yourself to give the voter privacy and to ward off any pressure to vote for X that might arise if you do it next to someone at the kitchen table or at work. You could get a couple of people together and influence them to vote X very easily.

[@mrburns805]

If voting is a right, then ID’s should be free. Otherwise there is a fee to participate in elections. It seems pretty straightforward.

[@musicplaylist6353]

Yes, absolutely. In many countries this is already the case, or voter IDs are subsidized and only present an extremely modest fee >$2-3.

[@Lordpeyre]

AND easy to get. In poor and POC communities, DMVs etc. are few and far between and it's not easy for them to get IDs.

[@user-tf4lk4fm7i]

Voting is a right to citizens, prove yourself to be a citizen with Identification, which cannot be free, nothing is "free".

[@user-tf4lk4fm7i]

@ So it's not free, you just want others to pay for it? I appreciate your honesty.

[@user-tf4lk4fm7i]

@ I did not argue your point, trust me I understand the implications that taxes bring forward.

[@sercancelenk7131]

I am from Turkey, admittedly a less democratic country than the richest nation on earth. Everyone (and I mean everyone including babies) have a national identification card, which you can get all the services you can possibly get, going to a hospital, buying medicine, getting your drivers license etc. Everything is tied to that card of course that includes voting registration too. It has a smart card chip with your biometric data. So being left out of voting because you didn't have the correct identification is absolutely out of question. Every citizen who are old enough to vote are automatically registered for voting. Election days are ,without exceptions, on Sundays, so pretty much everyone can go to their designated venue (which would most likely be the closest school to your home) and get on with voting within 10 minutes. Back in the day we would receive a drop of ink on one of our fingers to discern who has voted and who has not, but now you just give your signature after voting and get the hell out of that place in maximum of 15 minutes. I heard that in Estonia they can just be done with voting while having breakfast in their homes. Lucky bastards. We have other problems, I agree, but seeing that how United States can fuck up supposedly the easiest thing on earth is absolutely mind blowing.

[@RBlue118]

As someone from New Hampshire, I can confirm. The FBI has been called to one town alone twice in the past six months, once for a Russian smuggler, and once for a literal bomb which went off and shut down a road

[@kassiogomes8498]

Yeah. This does sound like Florida problems

[@kassiogomes8498]

Yeah. This does sound like Florida problems

[@pantpocket1741]

Yeah. This does sound like Florida problems

[@CharlieTheSalty]

As someone from a country with an average of +80% voter turn out each year, I find this so disgusting. Voting is a right, and right to all - voter suppression is the ways of dictators, not a democratic country.

[@jimmyrussler9532]

Democracy is cringe. Voting should be done only by people who are smart enough and have some stakes in the game. We have too many idiots voting for free money and legalization of drugs and pedophilia because any moron or brainwashed broad can vote. There should be an IQ requirement and a literacy test to vote.

[@lordXAVIJAANBJERGNOG]

@@jimmyrussler9532 You should get to decide who is worthy. We trust you.

[@samiraansari5686]

@@jimmyrussler9532 Literally everyone has „a stake in the game“. That‘s kinda the reasoning behind democracy- laws affect everyone, so everyone should get to vote.

[@derbaum7631]

@@jimmyrussler9532 Yeah very smart, making the right to vote dependant on the persons views. This literally makes voting obsolete. You do understand that shit like this ends up in fascist and autoritarian regimes and caveman ideologies.

[@jimmyrussler9532]

@@samiraansari5686 Should non-Americans vote? How about children? Pedophiles? Murderers? Rapists? You sound like a lunatic.

[@BeepBoop335]

We need to get Adam Driver to dress up in a lobster costume and surprise John Oliver.

[@patpierce4854]

YES!!!

[@AgentStepford]

@@patpierce4854 And act adoringly to John Oliver. That would be the most terrifying.

[@catherinewilliams9680]

Or how about him going all Kylo Ren on him.

[@cld7411]

Oliver’s audience are the dimmest witted people in society. The emotional bunch leading western civilization towards communism. The “rebellion” that supports the “empire”. You idiots echo what the liberal elites want. You think voter ID is racist and modern segregation just. You think trillion dollars bills won’t cost a dime on common folks pockets. You think printing money doesn’t result in hyper inflation. You think the supply crisis is actually a crisis and not a plot to further raise inflation. You think you’re bringing social justice and change when in fact you’ve only brought division and censorship. You think America was built to give you free stuff when in fact it only gives you the opportunity to work or die and that’s better than work, have nothing and die that communism offers. You all have one digit IQs

[@killerins1000]

Simple, get a free national ID card like almost every other county and make it super easy to vote in person or by in mail or even online. There would be no need to do so much voter ID shit or face recognition. No need to wait ridiculously long queues or staying overnight. This what happens when Americans choose "freedom" over convenience. Though closing of 24 hour poling stations and drive thrus are just plain dumb. Everyone has a right to vote. You're not supposed to make it harder for someone to vote.

[@far2ez539]

Any sensible republican would also be happy to have free national ID cards and a simplified process for getting them. The problem is that the discussion never gets that far, because rather than Dems addressing those issues, they just shriek "RACISM" the moment someone supports a voter ID law. Funny how dems seem to have no problem with how impossible IDs supposedly are to get. They don't want black people to need them for elections so they can vote, but as soon as teh election is over? No big deal that those same black people lack the ID needed to apply for a loan at the bank, get a hotel, drive a car, or do anything legal. They just don't give a shit about them as soon as their usefulness in the election is over.

[@drsingingeagle]

"Just go inside and get the keys." I once put on my glasses to help me see where I misplaced my glasses. 🤪🤓

[@hereigoagain5050]

John didn't mention the worst parts of these laws: giving the state legislatures the power to overturn elections or to replace, sue, or arrest election officials.

[@molybdaenmornell123hopp5]

How long before the blue states say they've had enough and secede?

[@e-spy]

yes! the worst of the worst! If we don't get the voter rights bills through, we may never have another free and fair election in this country again. (edit): and yes, I read most of the bills. chilling!

[@trent6319]

I mean technically state legislatures have always had the power to set voting however they want(with the exeption of they can't discriminate base on race, sex, ect). As example many states have agreed to give there votes to the national popular vote winner if a majority of states sign on.

[@sdfkjgh]

@@molybdaenmornell123hopp5: I say we give the right wing states what they've wanted for centuries: forced secession. texas & florida want so badly to be separate from the Union? Fine. You're your own failed states, with no Federal funding. Now taking bets on how soon before their leaders are strung up, and the regular citizens of those states come crawling back to us and their senses.

[@midknight]

EXACTLY

[@marlenatheresa1008]

Yesterday we had an election in Austria. I left my house at 2:45pm walked there 5mins, voted and made it to my coffee date with a friend at 3pm. Thats how easy voting should be for everyone!

[@mellertid]

I like to cast my vote on election day. Almost half of eligeble voters voted in advance last election (pre covid). /Sweden

[@brandonw9635]

The problem with voting here in the United States is because of the district's some districts are supergiant and have lots of people within so it can take quite a bit of time to vote some districts are very small or just don't have a lot of people within that District. Plus also they seem to get clogged up and long lines about 5 because that's the normal quitting time for most jobs

[@mellertid]

@@brandonw9635 I am sure there are challanges, but anticipaded problems can theoretically be, you know, worked out. I think the current debacle might tigger some reform?

[@hollanderson]

How was the coffee date? Had fun?

[@katesweeney9101]

@Brandon - there aren't a lot of polling places in some locations because thousands of them have been closed following the 2013 Shelby vs Holder decision. It's absurd. This voter suppression stuff has been going on a lot longer than a year.

[@joseangelmontoya8623]

There 3 things about the US that I truly don't get: 1) Why is more important the right to have an automatic gun than childrens life? 2) How can People be against universal healthcare? 3) Why is vote not a universal right?

[@6770chiefs]

The only requirement to vote by the constitution is legal U.S. Citizen and 18 years of age. The only requirements at polling places should be a legal document provided by the US that states you are a citizen and 18 years of age.

[@mystbunnygaming1449]

I've been turned away from the polls here in Texas twice, and both times I had legit photo ID, which they determined just wasn't legit enough, as well as crafting a new law requiring me to renew my license long before it was due, as well as shutting down DPS offices all over the area, so that if you show up early in the morning to the one under-staffed office with way too few parking spaces, you could be there till they close and still not be seen.

[@amberleeannalee1999]

We should give Texas back to Mexico. All the a holes will leave and head to Florida

[@MisFakapek]

@@amberleeannalee1999 I'm not US citizen but even I know that "States" are not "owned" by USA (hence cannot be "given away") . They are part of the union and can effectively leave whenever they want by an act of secession. I know you wanted to make it a joke (which IS funny BTW).

[@caliwagg1898]

@@MisFakapek States absolutely cannot leave whenever they want. There was a war about it.

[@DeAnoJackson]

That's scary as hell. Because reasons, I'm probably going to move to Texas soon (Frisco). I'm not unworried.

[@akiokami9367]

Time to pack up and burn it all down. Start anew.

[@nasifsiddiquey2234]

I'm surprised that "state's rights" is a concept when it comes to voting rights. I mean, we're supposed to be living in a democracy. The right to vote is the core fundamental of this nation. Wouldn't it be common sense to have a very simple, universal list of rights when it comes to voting?

[@wraithwrecker_]

Yes, but that only matters if you think all people are equal in value.

[@nasifsiddiquey2234]

@@wraithwrecker_ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" Shouldn't this be enough? I know for a lot of people, it isn't. But it should be.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

As been pointed out multiple times over the internet, the USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

[@rita25y.o-checkmyvideo26]

ake them to your grandmother☹️😲🤑🙃😕😔😓

[@rita25y.o-checkmyvideo26]

by her grandmother, and there 😏🤩😘😅

[@mjbuffalo716]

It never ceases to amaze me at how much John openly admits to being a furry. Like yeah, haha, but also that lobster tangent was long and specific 😂💀

[@laurabell6893]

Nailed every point. Thanks, John.

[@NoUploadJustComment]

I'm so glad John took on this topic. It might be the most important foundational issue facing America. Without fair voting rights the rest of it all falls apart.

[@Justusson]

I agree. The Republicans haven’t had a majority in most presidential wins ever. So, enforcing a flawed system, suppressing votes and crying wolf (voting fraud) is basically the only way they can win. The system is fundamentally flawed, imbalanced and suppressed since some hundred years ago. That has to change.

[@Justusson]

,.. People need to be out in the streets demonstrating and engaging themselves for that in the numbers like they did for George Floyd.

[@thecommunistgodsnews443]

Long live Communism kzbin.inforrtaIwwceEk?feature=share Long

[@scaper8]

@@ASS_ault Says the guy with the Cyrillic username.

[@Misteribel]

I live in a country where each time they try to get more people to vote, try to reach minorities, try to make it simpler, try to widen the window you can vote etc. That's democracy: get the people out, all people, so that the parlement can truly represent the people living in the country. It's astounding to see that a country that claims to be a beacon of democracy (they're not) actively tries to suppress voting and thereby deligitamizes their very own mandate to govern.

[@heathercalun4919]

I mean we never were. I've reached the point where I see all "rational and democratic forms of debate" as not an evolution BEYOND the barbarism of the past, but simply an attempt to retroactively consecrate whatever hierarchies arose out of past barbarism, into an illusion of fairness so that people won't revolt. Kill everyone who objects, then take a vote, and observe that your policy must be good, because support was unanimous. In short, "civilization" was never CIVIL. The masters are just getting antsy because the mask is slipping, and this time a ton of white people are marching as well, and "Oh shit, I don't think they're buying it this time"

[@bazingaburg8264]

@@heathercalun4919 Sometimes i think the ruling class welcomes climate armageddon as the final solution to over-population and drinking-water shortages by the inevitable collapse of capitalism. I'm currently learning the ins and outs of improvised water-filtration systems, but how to scale them up takes a frustrating amount of math. Christopher Titus said something like "if you haven't decided today which neighbour to eat first in a crisis, you can not call yourself a prepper." ^^

[@heathercalun4919]

@@bazingaburg8264 Ha. Yeah I've been meaning to stockpile activated charcoal for a while now. I don't think it's about overpopulation though. It might literally be about ending democracy. They know overpopulation isn't the real issue. They're just annoyed it isn't currently allowed to put shock collars on everyone.

[@bazingaburg8264]

@@heathercalun4919 (Edit: regarding shock- collers) How The Rich Are Dealing With Coronavirus - Some More News It's the continuation of Cody's show on Cracked, Some News. Recent stuff is full of ads, but the content remains relevant. Imagine a disgruntled news dude, disheveled proportionately to the current state of society. John Oliver is awesome, but sometimes not sufficiently bleak.

[@heathercalun4919]

@@bazingaburg8264 Yeah you're citing the video that originally made me paranoid about shock collars. If you click on the article, it's not QUITE as dystopian as Cody was making it out to be, but it's still fucked up. But yeah... I think we might have an echo chamber going on here. There probably are a ton of unhinged leftists such as myself out there who think extreme action is needed. The only reason conservatives make up the majority of assassination attempts, school shootings, and other mayhem is because they own the majority of the guns. Not because there's no one in Cody's audience who has seriously considered assassinating a politician. I'm not even saying it's immoral. Just that if somebody - NOT ME - _were_ to put a bullet in Mitch McConnell's head, Cody would have to take responsibility for the role he played in whipping a bunch of people who were already paranoid into a frenzy... Or he could just take the cowardly but more legally sound approach of disowning the whole thing. Of course, it's not exactly the messenger's fault, if the truth drives people to violence. I'm poorly prepared, but when shit does hit the fan and everything collapses, I'm establishing a matriarchy ruled with an iron fist. Democracy is cool and all. But if a majority rule comes to the conclusion to outlaw abortion, then fuck that, and fuck you too.

[@cocacola7845]

I know this just came out, but we need a Part II

[@jenniferlindsey2015]

“Oh!!! Fuck ALL THE WAY off!!! I love it! Thank you for making me laugh on a shitty day. And I agree with you on Tilda Swinton!

[@NoelRayland]

11:28 "Fuck Your Feelings" guy objects to his feelings getting triggered.

[@sagesheahan6732]

Right? Ego, hubris, arrogance, and yeah over-inflated feelings. Too many humans need to get over themselves.

[@rboss5919]

As someone who occasionally watches Wheel of Fortune and hasn't seen The Wire, I felt a bit called out.

[@Ganurath]

I eat pizza without sauce, and have only seen the occasional KZbin clip of The Wire, but there is absolutely nothing sexually interesting about that wheel.

[@austincde]

@@Ganurath pizza without sauce is just giant cheesy bread, I don't see a problem here

[@Ganurath]

@@austincde I still call it pizza. For some reason, some people take issue with that.

[@knyghtryder3599]

i am so sorry , but the good news is , you sound very chill and İ am sure you will only continue to get cooler throughout the rest of your life 😎

[@mandreadfg]

Omar comin' yall

[@yellowbubble7]

1:35 One of the best descriptions of NH ever (I say as a NH resident), but I really think that including the state motto being Live Free or Die could have driven it home a bit more.

[@cottrellbriank]

John Oliver: doing gods work

[@christophhanke6627]

We just voted in germany yesterday. Our requirements: Be a german citizen, be at least 18 years old and don't be dead. That's it. Way to unsafe for American standards right?^^

[@Dukenukem]

@silmarien That is only possible because you have assigned ID by the goverment (not sure federal or state in DE) so they have all the info they need. Many US people does not have that so their only way to "get ID" is to have drivers license or any other form of identification with Photo, and all of that costs money in US. The lack of mandatory issued ID card with pohoto is what's holding this debate alive and those laws possible. They are written with this in mind, they are actually all implemented in Europe because you still need to identify at the voting place.

[@werhoernchen]

@silmarien That is not a good thing that you didn't had to produce your ID to cast the vote. Who says you are the guy you say you are (at least in cities and not in rural villages).

[@werhoernchen]

@silmarien That is not the point. I can come with YOUR Letter and have no Proof, that I am silmarien. That's why it is clearly stated on that letter, that you need your ID. You can Vote without the letter, not without your ID. And they don't keep the Letter. Why would they? They cross you on the voting ledger after you cast the vote.

[@werhoernchen]

@silmarien Than your election helpers were mere idiots and violated election protocol. The crucial part is the ID. The letter has a number on it that allows the election helper to find you faster on the ledger. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@werhoernchen]

@silmarien It is very much in their rights to check ID. It results out of Article 56 Par 6 Nr 1a (Bundeswahlordnung). If they can prohibit you from casting your vote if you don't produce an ID they can ask you for ID. I know, its a "can" rule in germany. As auditor, I always favor the most secure way. And the most secure way is to check ID and check with the ledger, not check the letter with the ledger. The letter exists because of the ledger so it's "witzlos" to match those two documents in the end.

[@sixthjayhawk]

“You can out-organize voter suppression”? How about: “There shouldn’t be any voter suppression, and it needs to be eliminated now!”

[@jasonvargas7564]

Watching John Oliver really makes me mad, because he points out everything wrong with the country, but makes it known that unless politicians fix it, it will stay broken. And as we all know, Biden, mansion, cinema, and the establishment democrats will do nothing to stop republicans. Democrats will lose the midterms in 2022 and the general election in 2024. Republicans will instill Gilead and all we can do is watch.

[@loranekenyon8174]

RIGHT!!! The only way to do that is vote out those GQP bastards.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@jasonvargas7564 Consider organizing with unions and local community groups so you can offer an effective resistance that will force politicians to actually deal with the problem. Remember the 1965 Voting Rights Act didn't happen because people voted Democrat it happened because the Black Panthers were marching around and making it clear that black people weren't gonna take anymore shit.

[@makokx7063]

@@jasonvargas7564 Funny cause the other side thinks the same. Republicans need to stop democrats so boys can't be in the changing room with our daughters and people delusional about their sex can't force their delusions on our children in libraries. Both sides are insane.

[@jasonvargas7564]

@@makokx7063 except democrats’ fears about republicans are rooted in truth; republicans’ fears about democrats are rooted in religious pearl clutching and hypocrisy. How many of those conservative god fearing men cheat on their wives and pay for their mistresses to have abortions, yet prevent abortions for the ordinary woman? How many claim to be pro life yet do everything in their power to make life difficult and impossible for people?

[@wrongwayconway]

In Canada there's a box to tick when filling out our income tax to make sure you're on the Voting List for elections. Tick yes, boom, done. You're mailed a voter i.d. card, bring that to a polling station, vote. Done. Didn't get a card? Bring i.d. to a polling station & vote. And there's several days of advance voting (on weekends 9am to 9pm) too a week or two before election day. Employers must allow employees up to 4 hours to vote on election day (if their hours of work extend past voting hours).

[@regiergal]

This^ - I didn’t realize this wasn’t standard until recently.

[@braesidebikes4344]

you don't actually have to bring ID to vote in Canada. You can bring a utility bill and other documentation, or you can bring nothing and simply have someone with ID vouch for you.

[@boogie7778]

During State Rep Reginald Bolding's argument he never actually mentioned HOW it would affect those groups, just making a statement doesn't make it factual. If would have said 'b/c of X & Y" okay now we have something to discuss.

[@kingofthesharks]

Joe needs a reminder...the American Spirit to "go out and vote" is only outclassed by the American Spirit to "let someone else do the work"

[@Dukenukem]

@@markymarksthirdnipple8305 well, you can still give them the option to work for you or die.... so its voluntary as far as law is concerned if you are not holding them at gunpoint.

[@KaptenAmurika]

Now that I think about it, that kind of is the definition of a representative democracy...

[@thecommunistgodsnews443]

Long live Communism kzbin.inforrtaIwwceEk?feature=share Long live Communism

[@nighttrain1565]

That's the democratic philosophy not the American spirit lol.... Live off your neighbor, distribution of wealth, equality in outcome besides ability... globalist fascist that expand the government, expand the welfare state and censor whatever they don't agree with and ban any opinions of dissent from there tyranny.. Welcome to the democratic part 2021

[@candacen7779]

No, it's outclassed by the American Spirit to "work 1 full-time job, 1 part-time job, a side hustle, raise a family, and take care of 17 other things while trying to maintain my sanity".

[@GretchenSchmidtcitymouse]

“You can’t call me a racist when I’m being racist because it makes me feel bad when you point out my racism.” - Texas politicians

[@lip124]

WTF lol

[@khankrumV]

This comment is full of crap. What in showing ID is racist? So according your logic Banks, Postal office, Flight companies and every place you have to show ID are all racist?

[@alexanderm2175]

@@khankrumV bro look at the video he talks about this lol

[@khankrumV]

@@alexanderm2175 Do we all have to agree with the propaganda? Where is your logic too bro? Every legal citizen has to have at least personal ID. Laziness of some can't be a national issue nor a Racism.

[@joeherbert7556]

@@khankrumV This video doesn't contain any propaganda, it only contains logic and facts. And the fact is that the vast majority of the people who are negatively impacted by voter ID laws (meaning that they don't already have the necessary documentation or that it would be more difficult for them to obtain it) are people of color. That's just a straight up fact. And 'in person' voter fraud (the kind of voter fraud where you turn up in person and impersonate someone else who's already registered to vote) doesn't really exist. So no Voter ID law is ever capable of actually preventing voter fraud, because the type of voter fraud that it claims to be trying to prevent is fake / imaginary. So the only possible effect of Voter ID laws is that it will decrease the total number of black and brown Americans who vote. And 100% of the politicians who support this legislation know this for a fact, and this is their main goal, suppressing voter turnout for black and brown people in America. And the people who supported are all republicans, because they know that most black and brown Americans vote Democrat. So trying to figure out a way to keep black and brown people from voting anyway they can is just another morally bankrupt political strategy of Republican politicians. It's not that complicated. Voter surpression of people of color has been going on in lots of different forms for well over a hundred years in the United States. This is nothing new. But it is disgusting and non-american that needs to be opposed.

[@emceeStormcrow]

Anyone else notice how the captions spelled "Colored" when the guy from Arizona said it, but "Coloured" when John said it?

[@The__Creeper]

This video needs an update after what NC did on 4/28/2023.

[@henrylee4856]

The US really reminds me of the last years of the Roman Republic, right before it fell to autocratic rule. It became a plutocracy, then a kleptocracy, it’s institutions of law became corrupted; it was characterised by unrelenting political upheaval, was always at war abroad and the wealth disparity became ridiculous. It’s not exactly the same, there is no civil war, yet, but you gotta feel somethings coming, something terrible.

[@mzaite]

Oh we got our Civil War out of the way early to beat the rush.

[@FEARbraveheart]

The Senate, being a vulturous den of corruption and war criminals is far more corrupt than the Roman one.

What would be considered "liberal politics" brought down Rome. "Bread & Circus" is only sustainable when the citizenry has the work ethic to support it. "Liberal" philosophy rapidly erodes work ethic. Strong Men make Good Times. Good Times make Weak Men. Weak Men make Bad Times. Bad Times make Strong Men. Repeat. But that cycle stops working when the government borrows money to stave off the necessity of renewed work ethic.

[@floriangallus7760]

@ It has nothing to do with work ethic. You're not reasoning, you're being emotional.

[@mzaite]

@@FEARbraveheart and far more efficient at malignant self destructive narcissism than the romans ever were.

[@neelaynaman6481]

Meanwhile, India, a relatively much less rich and developed country than the USA has a polling booth every 1 mile. There's a mf polling booth right next to my house!

[@therightway2412]

Two different types of infrastructure. We can't have polling places ever mile. That would cost to much money and there are too remote areas for polling stations to properly cast votes.

[@MajorMlgNoob]

@@therightway2412 India is far more rural lol

[@meganegan5992]

@@therightway2412 Do you... Know, what India is? Do you know the logistical challenge of getting them to vote? Do you know how fucking remote the Himalayas are, which are, in part, *in India?*

[@kappadarwin9476]

@@therightway2412 The reason why we don't is because Republicans don't want people voting. They long accepted that their party and their politics are not popular in America.

[@DPoddy]

@@therightway2412 Man if only there was a way to send your votes to a far away place without actually doing so. If only we could POST our votes and be represented no matter how remote our homes are.

[@GranRey-0]

In Canada, we have several ways to prove one's identity to the government to register to vote, and once registered a voter card comes in the mail with the poll closest on it. We bring card to the poll listed to vote or just go to any polling station and tell them where you live and show the ID if don't have the card to vote there.

[@onkelpappkov2666]

Sorry for off-topic, but that's one cute Collie.

[@GranRey-0]

Thank you. I miss my Abby.. it's been just over 3 years since she passed.

[@braesidebikes4344]

you don't even have to bring ID or the registration card to vote - you can bring utility bills or bring nothing and have someone with ID vouch for you. plus you can vote like 2 weeks in advance or mail it in.

[@katoakman2761]

"[New Hampshire is] just Florida with foliage" I mean... Our state motto is "Live Free or Die", so I guess you aren't wrong. Just replace the sharks and beaches with bears and forests and yeah, the resemblance is uncanny

[@twarnold14]

11:10 “Colleague” is probably the wrong word to put there. That’s a child in the room playing dress up. A man points out how legislation is racist, you don’t cry, “He called me a racist and that’s mean.” That’s not how that works! When discussing laws, you can’t just dismiss things because you feel you have been called out. You discuss it and ideally make sure it’s not racist. Unless of course, you are being a racist. It really feels like the right swathe left say, “I’d rather you call me by my correct pronouns to show me respect” and twisted it to “well ok, then you better not call me a racist when I act like a racist.” A+ right there on being a terrible human being.

[@HylianFox3]

The way these people instantly become defensive is reeeaaallly telling.

[@jeffreyestahl]

I would add from a psychological perspective that if a person called out as a racist, he probably is one. Non-racists don't feel called out or insulted or hate themselves because of the discussion of racism. At no point in the first senator's speech did he make any comment specifically linking either a single person or group of persons to racism. The 2nd senator was just being a d!ck.

[@lizabethhampton4537]

I think I've seen one or two of them pull the "Well I don't *identify* as racist therefore you can't call me racist! checkmate libs!" so it's not as far fetched as it seems.

[@kmac8055]

The fact that we’re not implementing laws to make voting as easy as possible is absolutely insane to me. Why do we have ONE day where we’re allowed to vote? I voted via mail-in ballot last year. I was only allowed to do that Bc of the pandemic, and it couldn’t have been easier. No waiting in lines, no planning my day around what time I was working and when I could vote. I filled in a bubble sheet and dropped it off at my convenience in a drop box. I had a solid two weeks before having to do all of those things. I knew since 2016 who I’d be voting for in 2020, anyone but Trump. So wether it was 2 weeks before Election Day when I casted my vote or day of it wouldn’t have mattered

[@samualstanley8671]

Yesmaam exactly my thoughts n feelings

[@cggc9510]

Same here. Voted by mail. Voted early and it was the easiest thing in the world. More mail-in ballots please. Printed out my own I Voted! sticker from LWT.

[@leok7193]

Here's the thing: if you make voting as easy as possible (like sending an email, for example), you'll get a huge amount of uninformed voters out of convenience (not that there isn't plenty already). People will get into offices they're not qualified for at higher rates because of slogans, penises, exposure, name recognition, when voters who could've be bothered to watch a debate, read the platform, watch media coverage can vote at the cost of 2 minutes of personal time. I'd say if you're not willing to are least spend the time to get a state ID, maybe you don't care enough about participation in the voting process to cast a (informed) vote.

[@SGGCREATIVES]

@@leok7193 I can call out at least ten people in politics right now who are not qualified to run a lemonade stand, let alone political office. They were all voted in using current methods. One of them thinks because he saw snow outside, it means climate change is not real FFS!

[@juresichj]

@@leok7193 You are seriously uninformed.

[@Kwauhn.]

This is just straight up gerrymandering. I can't believe those kinds of enforcements are constitutional.

[@johnrichardson5599]

They aren't, that's the whole point.

[@B.matrix]

This would be a good time for a follow up to this topic

[@MissElectraable]

I often wonder: "how is the USA still considered a democracy"? 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@SuperSpidey313]

Was it ever?

[@mesaeddie]

Its been a Plutocracy from day one and is only getting more so thanks to republican Traitors.

[@pambronson4467]

I've often wondered why the UN hasn't sent troops here yet.

[@AisuruMirai]

Because of the disenfranchisement of Black Americans and of women, for most of its history, America hasn't been anything close to a democracy. And that is part of the American tradition that conservatives are trying desperately to conserve.

[@ra7319]

Oligarchy..