Why women’s ice hockey has a higher concussion rate than football

[@Vox]

A note on the data: Many of you have noticed that the survey cited at 0:24 contradicts the fact that female athletes report concussions at a higher rate than men playing a comparable sport. However, despite that data point, the general understanding, established through many years of study by different researchers using a variety of methods, is that women do report higher rates of concussion. Although I wasn't able to squeeze all the data in the video, I've listed several sources in the description above. If you'd like to learn more, make sure to check them out. Thanks for watching! -Mac

[@SdoubleA]

Sashu At what point did Vox become a News Channel? Stop parroting your boss.

[@davidcrescencio4483]

Vox do you think maybe the NFL doesn’t report all of them and hides a lot

[@jonwickefortnite5937]

you are a dum dum

[@frisbeeeater]

please remove this video. its ruining vox's credibility

[@williambaskin3611]

Flld

[@cameronshearer6075]

why did you edit it at 2:08 to make it look like the women's shot was the one that broke the glass?

[@grxphynlxb6045]

Cameron Shearer that’s actually so funny

[@iwearmysunglassesatnight1213]

Haha

[@michaelhouk431]

Bruh lmao

[@LS-ye5pp]

Cameron Shearer good eye

[@dubbled7286]

Excellent find !!

[@henriktiger9073]

Hockey player here. Part of the reason why female hockey players have high concussion rates (even though women’s hockey has no body checking) is because of bad habits. When girls start playing hockey, they often aren’t taught about the physical aspects of the game. While there’s no checking, there are still collisions and a high amount of body contact. (Important to note that most girls hockey players play in all girls’ leagues, but some do play with boys until middle/high school) With most girls thinking they don’t have to worry about being on the receiving end of a huge hit, females hockey players (even high level ones) continually do the one thing that you’ll rarely see male players in high school leagues and higher do: have their head down while skating. Male hockey players don’t skate with their head down because they know that if they do, they’re gonna end up unconscious in the hospital for a few days. Because there’s no checking in women’s hockey, females don’t think about body contact - even though women’s hockey still has a lot of collisions - so they don’t pick their heads up to see if someone’s coming at them. This is a bad habit that’s not been corrected by a coach at younger levels, and it carries on to big leagues. You can watch High level Girls’ high school hockey, Women’s D1 hockey, even the Women’s Olympic hockey games - you’ll always see them skate with their heads down, and that lack of preparedness for body contact is part of the reason why Women’s hockey has a high concussion rate.

[@Vincent-bt1qy]

What position do you play? Just curious

[@HIJT2FAUTIKA]

"Keep your head up kid".

[@LS-ye5pp]

HenrikTiger good point, makes sense

[@cosmosisrose]

Hold up...women aren't being taught properly? Why?

[@thevisualkidd]

They also go into corners at awkward angles and often without a shoulder check. They don’t go in expecting contact so when it does happen it catches them off guard and results in more injuries

I have a feeling that the difference comes from the fact that men don't report concussions as much as women, if they do they can be seen as weak, fragile and therefore loose their teammates / coach confidence. We also tend to ignore certain symptoms and are encouraged to "toughen up" and "be a man". Of course that's wrong, concussions are a very serious injury and leads to CTE, which has been linked to early dementia in many contact sports players, especially football.

[@Jesse__H]

maybe watch the video first, huh?

[@CRYGamer7]

Well when I had a concussion, I havent had reported it. I just wasnt able to tell you, where I am and which year it was. You are maybe right, in terms of statistical numbers. But I cant imagine a reasons why someone should do that. Greetings from Austria 😁

[@ZhaoDrek]

as a rugby player, i totally agree with you

[@nickmiller323]

Antoine Morin-Prévost i agree with you 100%. I lost count on how many teammates I have had in my life suffer serious injuries, because they wouldn’t report symptoms of a minor injury.

[@aquajock9413]

Anecdotal evidence but I played water polo in college and our coach told us we better be damn sure we have a concussion before we even say the word "concussion;" if the trainer heard that they'd immediately have to pull us from the water for at least 24-hours, to test and we might not even have had a concussion. Meanwhile, he also coached the girls team and my friends on the team said he never had such a rule with them. The girls were more likely to report anything, not just concussions. While he would yell at and berate us, he would rarely raise his voice with the girls players. This is all on NCAA Division I teams. We also had our goalie get a serious concussion mid-season one year, however he was the only goalie on the team at the time. He wore sunglasses to class for two weeks and now has a completely different personality since the incident, but he never reported any concussion. I would argue that socio-cultural differences are one of the largest factors in this concussion rate discrepancy. Concussions probably happen at near-similar rates however the difference comes from reporting. And this doesn't mean men are tougher or women are weaker; men are just heavily socially pressured to ignore serious issues to achieve goals in the short term while ignoring the long term repercussions.

[@jackmurphy6510]

Women's sports pretty universally have less money-making potential, so there is less financial incentive to avoid reporting. There is a larger and more lucrative market for men's sports, giving greater incentive to continue despite experiencing symptoms. It has been reported that NFL players will intentionally do poorly on their baseline concussion test so that they are less likely to get flagged for subsequent concussions, because there is a lot of money at stake. I suspect that this explains most of the difference.

[@chrisredfieldjm]

I really hope your opinion is wrong. I say this because hiding a concussion would be an entire team's effort. I would think most people would notice when you can not remember plays, formations, or that you are married. It is rather difficult to hide.

[@jackmurphy6510]

chrisredfieldjm American football at least has a pretty well documented history of encouraging players to play through concussions or to return too soon after sustaining them. The NFL has shown a cavalier attitude toward brain injury at a cultural and even administrative level, and has only begun reforming in light of recent lawsuits and medical findings. Whole teams are absolutely in on covering it up, playing through hard hits is just part of the culture, and if players are a little off afterwards, well, they'll just shake it off, tough it out. Most of the dementia doesn't arise until players are 40 or 50 anyway, at which point the player is retired and nobody really cares anymore. Anyone with severe early onset dementia simply gets cut from the team and again, nobody really cares anymore. Somehow, I doubt that the NFL agreed to that massive settlement in their 2017 class action concussion lawsuit just because they're nice guys.

[@susu959]

No it's just something to do with a natural body not about money or anything

[@youareamoron6668]

Or maybe its because women are just soft.

[@morganroberts6678]

you are a moron shut you idiot.. you are the moron.. you can’t help if you get a concussion dipshit

[@thatRyzzle]

Why aren't women hockey players allowed to check each other, though? Especially when they're playing against other women, and not men? Why take that aspect out of their game at all?

[@threethrushes]

Because women are equal (unless they don't want to do something).

[@jacksonfromwisconsin2005]

Women don't want it in the game in fact they voted against it.

[@demonpride1975]

@@osv38 ummmmmmmmmmm body checking is not always enforced, and it's not laws it rules.

[@fridgepuff1722]

Women want equal rights not equal fights

[@Jeremy_plays_sax]

Contact used to be allowed in IIHF women’s games, but was banned in 1990 because the Canadian and American women’s teams were dominating their European opponents so badly.

[@elistevens6366]

At 0:25 it shows that the "Men's ice hockey" concussion rate is 7.91 and women's is 7.50. It seems like the video is trying to create a narrative that women are suffering more concussions than men...but not when you compare them to the same sports. The video is comparing Women's Ice Hockey to Men's Football...apples and oranges.

[@leftwinglimbaugh9224]

Ahhh... you didn’t realize this was a vox video?

[@RowMeow]

@@leftwinglimbaugh9224 thats tru

[@magnusbratlie]

Why are you ignoring the two other charts?

[@netajithevar296]

Yeah this whole video is bs

[@asafvirin2181]

What about men’s football and women’s football, men’s basketball and women’s basketball, it literally shows in the video a comparison and women’s concussion rates are shown to be higher in other sports. Maybe watch the video huh?

[@jwebbed]

At 0:24 did I read the data correctly that Men's ice hockey has a higher concussion rate? Not that I find the content of this less interesting but it feels like the video implies that the worst sport for concussions is Women's hockey, particularly when at 2:29 you show how the women's sports have a higher concussion rate but specifically seem to exclude hockey there. Generally good video but I do feel like it was misleading in some ways

[@cia5791]

yeah the video is pretty useless as it completely ignores the fact that in ice hockey men still have higher concussion rates

[@NeuroticKnight9]

Saba Blah 0:26

[@xenathcytrin202]

Really, a Vox story that is misleading or outright lies to you? Who would have guessed?

[@i.i.iiii.i.i]

3:27 "social bias can still be a factor" in this video, that's why they didn't adress this fact in the video.

[@i.i.iiii.i.i]

And the fact that checking is not allowed in female ice hockey might explain why they have a lower concussion rate than men in ice hockey compared to other sports...

[@joachimrosenkvist1076]

"I'll walk it off" Ever heard your head ring? Most guys respond with "eh?" And shrugs.

[@moesgymmom]

0:25 It says that men's Ice hockey has more concussions

[@PaulGuy]

Literally the very first statistic they show.

[@jasondaskalakos3776]

@Abhinav Banerjee I really dont understand why they compared 2 completely different sports

[@gohelmehul4329]

Its was compared with football tho 😂😂 ....

[@bjornswan6592]

Wait but Women's hockey doesn't allow checking...

[@ilikechickennuggets7976]

astromann445 exactly it don’t make sense

[@noahmccusker5257]

Women’s Hockey is cheeks too

[@bjornswan6592]

@@noahmccusker5257 what

[@owenkalbfleisch5548]

Boah big facts. The USA women’s team barely won 3-2 against a midget minor AAA team(16’s) with no contact allowed

[@hockeyheather3321]

No checking, but body contact is allowed. I played Women's B level hockey for 6 years and while no checking is allowed, you can definitely still hit people while making it look like you're going for the puck. I'm not fast and started playing in my 20's but grew up around the game since the age of 3, so I had to use my body to get the puck. I had 3 concussions from being tripped, slewfooted, etc and either hitting my head on the boards on the way down, or getting the whiplash effect when I hit the ice. In 22 years of playing, I've had 8 concussions....2 diagnosed. You don't have to be checked or check someone to receive a concussion. Hitting a cut in the ice and getting whiplash when you fall, or hitting your head on the ice can give you a concussion just as easily as checking. Make sense now?

[@noahdoerksen1908]

I think it all comes down to the fact male athletes don't report concussions because they want to stay in the game

[@planet1416]

Noah Doerksen The women most likely want to stay in the game too but they care more a bout their health and that is what men should do too.

[@fridavargas9771]

Blah blah 🤦

[@masterofdisaster8577]

Possibly

[@Lundy.Fastnet.Irish_Sea]

Outdoor LBH i suspect it has something to do with social pressure men experience causing them to report less injuries.

[@jellyfishattack]

Exactly, women want to keep simply keep playing, but men hopefully, want to make the show. Women, we know we can't.

[@biancacezara2427]

*Vox answering questions that i never thought and never will* Great video!

[@cia5791]

but there wasn't a question since they ignored the fact that men have higher concussion rates in ice hockey. the info at 0:24 shoows how useless this video is.

[@InessaMaximova]

Alicia Mn is your profile photo an art by Ilya Kuvshinov?

[@stardust4001]

The answer was pretty obvious unless you are 12 or a feminist

[@TeaRex]

It meant in general. Outliers do occur.

[@TeaRex]

But wouldn't that lead women to deliver weaker hits and lower the rate of injury? The answer is not so cut and dry.

[@samwalker4913]

I suspect women are more likely to report

[@nickjerome4992]

Sam Walker Thats what I thought, I think men are more likely to just not report it and try and play through

[@dab1732]

bongo155 ur mom

[@krombopulos_michael]

At a college or international level, I doubt its up to the athlete to report. If you get a concussion, your team physio will notice.

[@MeliLove8]

are you dumb? every coach and player knows when someone has a concussion or can suspect it. it is so obvious, NO ONE can “play it off”

[@sor3999]

There is this culture of telling the players to "just walk it off". I blame the coaches.

[@derekthehalfabee7942]

"When college athletes play the same sport, women report concussions more often than men." - vox "Here is the data that shows the exact opposite of what we just said." - vox

[@sonnder]

Are you saying the men and women aren't the same?

[@katk5205]

sonnder well theorising here, but if you think waaayuy back men were hunters and women gatherers, and it’s quite possible that men evolved differently to be able to take a hit better since concussion was a real everyday threat back then. And then with the different play styles it makes perfect sense that women get hurt more

[@taylorallen2695]

Kat K its not quite possibly, its yes. And it goes far back beyond our years as humans. In short concussions are caused by whiplash and stronger necks minimize whiplash force. Men have stronger muscles, necks included, hence larger hits to the head are needed to create enough whiplash force to cause concussion.

[@vaguepepper4028]

Kat K he was making a joke

[@Slymel22]

Well I will tell you this one: If you'Re sleeping with a girl and she ends up b**f***ng you. Either she has a Strap-on or you've found a disguised man. :-)

[@eqh1593]

men were born to hunt.. its not that they evolved into it. look at 90% of animals.. same there.

[@salokin3087]

Strange species, we smash into each other causing major damage all for a sport

[@kampfmuffin3535]

Salokin well some species injur each other to smash ._. (Sry for my engrish)

[@superposition3717]

It’s not about damaging the other person.

[@drazgul9403]

Four Disastrous Years Coming Most advanced, but also the dumbest.

[@MrChinner118]

Actually a lot of animals do this.

[@hijack69]

All for *💰

[@zurilift]

Tbh it's sad how some "I repeat just SOME" sports fans demand the sport has less emphasis on safety and focus more on physical impact. Ignoring the athletes health and future. Don't get me wrong some sports demand physical contact but I think if we can minimise the damage dealt to these people as much as we can then we morally and ethically should regardless of how thirsty we are for bone breakage and brain damage. Just my thought tho.

[@mcorpsqman]

It's people like you, that want to feminize sports, is the reason we don't have Gladiator death matches anymore. Shame on you. P.S. I'm just joking.

[@zurilift]

mcorpsqman hahaha I can tell 😂

[@michaelzhang1891]

Charles Eye I doubt that they know the score going in. Most if not all the professionals started playing when they are really young and don't actually know about the risks starting the sport. They just know its fun and they love it. Then as they get older, they know they can make money from it if they're really good. So they practice and practice and get better so that they can get glory, riches and fame doing something that they love. Only really recently do players and the general public know that there is a huge risk to their mental and physical health even decades after they retire. Risks that possibly mean sudden premature death.

[@jjc5475]

this is really interesting vox. make sure to make a follow up video if more research has been done!

[@HarfangX]

Right now that "yeah guys don't report it" has little backing this up except for stereotypes. Neck strength and the culture of violence in sports making men more prepared seems more quantifiable.

[@debodatta7398]

Men don't report it because they don't want to be seen as weak. Women don't care about being seen as weak so they report it.

[@HarfangX]

Yeah I understand the stereotype. I think it’s ridiculous. High level athletes are all about their health and protecting their ability to keep performing. There’s just no basis for that assumption, no science or research. There a lot of questions in this video but little actual data and research done on this

[@jjc5475]

i think it's not just stereotypes. a quick google search shows enough trustable sources all claiming similar things. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8588686.stm (bbc news) and tbh i see this in my daily life too. i like talking with women a lot more about mental illness because they're way more open over their own problems than most men.

[@TheUnlocked]

HarfangX It's actually not true at there's no basis. Here's a paper abstract on it. Unfortunately you need to subscribe to the journal to get the full paper. journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1359105314551623

[@Frank85t]

key word: R E P O R T I N G

[@markzucc3277]

Women are getting too many concussions: Vox: allow checking in woman’s hockey

[@gunnarnyberg7471]

☠️☠️

[@dstblj5222]

honestly it might work taking away helmets would make football safer

[@salvatornado]

...happy Valentine's day?..

[@SnaptrixGaming]

salvatornado this is a concussion induced daze this video isn't real...

[@xWolfGuyx]

salvatornado you too friend no idea how I ended up here.

[@number1spritefan]

happy valentine’s day!!! *body slams you into oblivion*

[@GumaroRVillamil]

Have you seen women's football (soccer)? It's crazy. The tackles they pull, punching, elbowing, hair pulling, etc. They're insane. And probably the refs are less strict.

[@TheNotSoFakeNews]

the title was referring to mens american football, not womens soccer

[@KutiePieKiera]

Gumaro R. Villamil as a hockey ref, it’s really hard to be lenient. There is a certain extent that when a fight looks like it’s going to break out, you need to stop shit. I have had fights break out in the handshake line, I’ve been pulled to the ground, I’ve been grabbed by the sweater, I’ve seen numerous girls knocked out

[@TibiaOTarena]

Ye I seen it, the level is so low that I could compete there it's crazy

[@infinitude7625]

Yeah I remember seeing a professional female soccer player had blood gushing out of her forehead from a hit, and they all acted like it was nothing to be concerned severely. And there have been many incidents in which a male soccer athlete got hit on his knee and he'd lie on the field screaming life. I think since male sports are prevalent and taken more seriously in every country, there are more safety rules (do's and don'ts) than in female sports.

[@GumaroRVillamil]

infinitude Male footballers are notorious for screaming bloody murder and flailing around when they get the slightest tap. They make all this fuss and medical has to get in the pitch, for them to get back in 2 minutes later. When serious injury does occur, they actually get all quiet and lie still.

[@XD123771]

2 reasons: 1. Women have weaker neck strength 2. Female players generally play with bad habits (skating with head down)

[@braydengoddard4569]

Jesse Outhouse lol

[@catherinelawrence3367]

Jesse Outhouse still better than you will ever be

[@baseballgod2642]

@@catherinelawrence3367why arent u in the kitchen

[@cupid3890]

@@baseballgod2642 uhhhh

[@lockandloadlikehell]

@Emmawat What He's bitter because *you're* small and fragile?? Sounds like it's the other way around (22" neck current 110Kg state record holder)

[@Chris_Cross]

I once went to a fight, and a hockey game broke out.

[@erikrobinson2547]

Thank you for making these videos about all these sports. I've learned so much about the aspects, details and issues from them that i would not have otherwise.

[@lovemae7540]

as a figure skater, we’re always complaining about the hockey players “stinking up the locker rooms” or “messing up the ice” but honestly i really respect the sport. these athletes are truly fearless and risk a lot for their sport. it’s admirable.

[@zavus540]

studywithjolie messing up the ice? But don’t you people have toe picks that will mess up the ice more than hockey skates?

[@jaimethibodeaux6844]

I am on year 3 of recovery from a major concussion. The first physician supposedly specializing in concussions accused me of having a personality disorder wanting to be seen as sick. Physicians need to understand the subtleties of symptoms for ALL athletes. This video did a really good job of explaining the issues. I help manage a concussion support group online and we are 90% women, all who are seeking answers to improve our health. I do think we are more aggressive at reporting and protecting our health than some men.

[@landonhansch430]

I love how they showed the stats for concussions, with men's ice hockey above it, but they do it for the women's league.

[@amysuresh4292]

True

[@Vonwra]

We’ll also most football teams won’t publicly announce 75% of concussions

[@paulaceron7494]

I love how this was on my recommended as I'm sitting here going through my third concussion

[@sb9017]

It's definitely the issue of not being able to check. Which results in skating different and not having proper form for contact as well. I quit after 2 collisions broke different bones. This was due to the other skaters not being aware and going the wrong way in drills. Women aren't weak and fragile they just need to be trained just as the men with the same rules.

[@sb9017]

I don't know that much about the other one it will have to be dealt with each sport on their own.

[@tijan8948]

Boys are rough and tumble since birth; girls may not generally have the level of rough play as boys growing up. Also concussions are caused by other people, so variability in skill level may be higher in women’s sports due to a lower overall selection pool. This is probably getting me in trouble!

[@Lundy.Fastnet.Irish_Sea]

Tijan kids are rough and tumble. There might be a difference between how "rough and tumbly" kids of different genders are, but how children are raised definitely has an effect. If a boy is raised the way girls usually are, he probably won't be as "rough and tumbly" as the average boy. Another factor is simply the amount of participants. In my experience doing Karate, the men can be separated into weight classes because there are enough participants. There are very few female participants so separating classes just isn't possible. This is likely the case of other sports too. If you have few participants, you can't afford to be too picky on who gets to be in the team.

[@skatergrl13]

I play hockey and they should just allow freaking checking, or at least teach them how to take a hit properly, because just because there’s no checking, there’s still body contact allowed

[@LadyCoyKoi]

Geofanny..."Another factor is simply the amount of participants. In my experience doing Karate, the men can be separated into weight classes because there are enough participants. There are very few female participants so separating classes just isn't possible. This is likely the case of other sports too. If you have few participants, you can't afford to be too picky on who gets to be in the team." In response to that, when I was in karate, our teachers didn't care about sex, gender or ethnicity, etc, he made us fight one another, because in truth of life, your attacker is most likely someone who is either smaller or bigger than you are, shorter or taller than you are, or a wide variety of gender, sex, ethnicity, etc. You don't know when where and who you will have to use self defense against, so our teachers were very smart in only separating classes based on belt or ability range rather than weight, height, or gender/sex. I had fought against boys twice my weight and a foot taller than I am. O_O

[@Erik_The_Viking]

Having played a lot of ice hockey myself, you quickly learn to keep your head on a swivel when playing because you never know when you're going to get clocked. I'm sure that the style of play, and actual reporting itself would have the largest effect. Good video.

[@gabig3633]

A very informative watch. Played competitive ice hockey for the better of my life and had to give it up because of a concussion. I commend Josephine's decision considering how hard of a choice it is. Wish I knew more about this subject when I was playing.

[@Daniel-pt5ek]

These are my favourtie videos from Vox. No politics, no choosing sides.

[@mathematics117]

That women you were talking to was very articulate and amazing! She definitely deserved a medal!

[@JustWood40]

The reason why concussion rates in hockey are so much higher than football is due to the structure of their helmets. Hockey helmets are used to protect against skull fractures, ​not concussions.

[@OGSumo]

JustWood40 i doubt this, considering how poor football helmets actually preform in preventing concussions.

[@MrtinVarela]

+Adam Nope Maybe football helmets are indeed more effective and you don't notice it because the sport itself is more prone to concussions?

[@OGSumo]

Martín Varela could be. Plus its a more popular sport so the numbers could be inflated. I remember researching for school about concussions and helmets a few years ago, specifically football. The consensus seemed to be helmets do what they're designed to, but that's not really what causes most concussions. ideas.ted.com/football-helmets-dont-protect-against-concussion-and-were-not-sure-what-does/ This article i just found via google talks about it a little bit.

[@MrtinVarela]

+Adam Nope Thanks, I'm just being curious.

[@minecraftminertime]

Wow, I did not know that! Are you sure about that or did you just guess that hockey helmets are designed to be less effective against concussions?

[@abrvalg321]

0:25 makes you think why they aren't talking about mens' hockey

[@JoeAas]

I have coached both boys and girls youth hockey and I've had a daughter that had to quit hockey because of concussions. I have always felt that the primary physiological difference between boys and girls that makes girls (and women) more susceptible to concussions was neck strength. When I skate and when I get hit in the head, I am able to keep my head stable with my neck. I have a pretty thick neck. My daughter has a tiny neck and combine that with a big heavy helmet there is no way she can use her neck muscles to stop a blow to the head in the same manner a strong male can. My daughter's first concussion came from a mid-ice stray elbow and not from hitting the boards or the ice. To address the difference between checking and non-check hockey, I'm not really buying that. Watch a girls and women's game and see that they are using their bodies to create space for themselves on the ice just like the boys. Yes, there is a huge difference when you don't have to worry about getting hit like boys end up having to do, but the hitting doesn't appear in the boys game until they are 14U. This is a great video and I will send it to my daughter for her to look at. She has moved on to tennis now and is at peace with no longer playing hockey.

[@e-nm3544]

Good vid...unexpected results. As an ex rugby player, I can relate to the fact that expecting a hits helps prevent concussions. In rugby you will not get tackled unless you are carrying the ball, as opposed to American football where blindside hits (less frequent these days) lead to whiplash/concussions.

[@KevinSar]

anyone who follows combat sports know, knockouts happen because of whiplash, the stronger and thicker and shorter your neck is, the less likely you will to get whiplash and get knocked out. Longer, thinner necks, means more chance of concussion.

[@mubarekdaha]

The fact they don't mention that MALE ice hockey is Also worse that American football

[@dathawk4579]

( 00:27 ) Male 7.90 Female 7.50 ... i dont get that part... Why on earth would u compare different sports! / the concussion thing is kinda funny ... maybe they take playing with ur head to literally XD

[@minecraftminertime]

Did you even watch the whole video or read the note that vox left about that statistic?

[@dathawk4579]

if u look at the time-stamp they wrote it an hour after me . ...

[@dathawk4579]

XD if u go to the research he listed ( www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20858376 ) ( www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Concussion%20%20GOALS%20Exec%20Summary_Feb_12_2014_FINALpost_0.pdf ) u can find out that men still have more concussions ^^ sry m8 the video is actually stupid ...

[@michaelzhang1891]

You understand that there is a difference between going up to someone and asking them "Have you been in a concussion or what you thought was a concussion?" and "Hey NHL/NBA/NFL/MLB, give us your reported concussions."

[@rianweston-dodds6247]

Why compare anything at all

[@joshpollack5936]

women care, and ask each oether how they are feeling. they then respond honestly, and concussions are diagnosed. men dont do this as often #facts

[@laneyw6099]

you guys make well informed videos about topics i dont care about, but i love watching them

[@davetheisen9426]

I’m not sure if the same can be said for hockey or women’s hockey but from my experience playing high school and college football 90% of concussions go unreported people want to keep playing

[@brendanross1604]

I love how much they sugarcoat the fact that since they start hitting later they just can’t take hits

[@madeniran-8557]

When I get hit hard, most of the time I try to get up. And when I’m hurt and my bone is broken( hands), I’m still getting up, and I’m still trying to play But a scratch got nothing on me, but if my left foot is broken and I can’t walk, I’m going to stay down

[@elijahtoppersons7827]

Stop the cap

[@elijahtoppersons7827]

If your bones are broken in your hands you can’t grap/grip the hockey stick and shoot you capping

[@ViolentOrchid]

You're relying on self reporting from groups that have been socialized to handle injuries in opposite ways. Are there other controls?

[@stephenharvey4138]

There was a journal article that came out a year ago comparing male and female jockeys and concussions when falling from a horse. Females were twice as likely to be concussed. I think it came from the UK.

[@alexnndder]

This was really intriguing , thanks for this.

[@frankgazzolo6413]

Shut up woman make me a sandwich

[@Sphere723]

Big hockey fan. I have to say that the women's game has a lot more awkward contact/falls than the men's game. True, there's no checking in the women's game, but there's plenty of contact. In order for the women to not get a penalty, you have to be playing the puck. So there's a lot of tangling and accidental collisions when two players are trying to get the puck at the same time. It's like the collisions which used to happen with the old touch-icing rule. Every loose puck is a like a touch-icing play.

[@TheseYeahThese]

YES! They often make less intuitive, less safe, and awkward decisions that puts them in very vulnerable positions resulting in injuries that shouldn't occur. I see women try to make make plays that are not worth making, then over exerting themselves and creating a dangerous play, for nothing. It's purely based on athleticism, awareness, and strength.

[@landryharrell7]

Not a hockey watcher but a soccer fan. So I’m that regard, checking is basically contact with someone without going to the puck?

[@Sphere723]

@@landryharrell7Yes, that's body checking. Forcefully hitting someone who has the puck or just got rid of it. It's illegal in the women's game.

[@The1stFishBone]

We need data on the average g force of a head collision in mens vs. womens hockey and the number of collisions in a game to make a determination if women are more susceptible to concussions. I would think men's hockey would have more high impact collisions, so for men's and women's hockey to have a similar rates of concussions it would indicate women are more susceptible to concussions. I believe this is the case. The higher concussion rate for women in soccer where the rules are the same for men and women even though the men are moving much faster and heading harder balls gives a strong indication women are more susceptible to concussions. It is possible women are more likely to report concussion symptoms and women are certainly more looked after than male athletes, but I don't think that is enough to make up for the concussion disparity. I strongly disagree with the idea that women know more about concussions. Men watch more sports and have more friends that are competitive athletes. Every guy knows people who've had concussions and we see it on T.V. more regularly than women. It is possible that a coach of female athletes would put more emphasis on educating their players, but I don't think that would be too big a difference.

[@doreenwu5990]

The1stFishBone man ur dedication is like 💯💯

[@demonpride1975]

@@doreenwu5990 he's kinda got a point, i can guarantee men in hockey hit each other 10 times harder. this applies to both of the men's heads colliding also.

[@palomajune1863]

I'm begging y'all... please watch the video before commenting

[@wallstreetoneil]

Here is my experience (48 yr old man), growing up playing Contact Hockey from aged 6 (I always played contact), coaching hockey as kids transition from non-contact to contact, coaching kids that play non-elite hockey as well as AAA level in Toronto - and, myself having played elite soccer from the age of 6 until 17 years old. In the old days, when soccer balls were heavy, got water logged, I use to be, and always was, the header on my team - played midfield - had to head the opposing goalie kicks - and was always the kid who headed corner kicks. I can tell you, that if I ever had to head that extremely waterlogged ball that was kicked way in the air by the goalie - I basically saw stars every time - at no time, ever, playing the most extreme elite crazy old days hockey, did I ever see stars - not once - and this is my opinion of why. On my first day of hockey, 6 years old, playing against 7 year olds, I step on the ice and got smoked in the first 10 seconds. The 2nd shift - I got run over again - like from a Don Cherry video. I was a very good skater, but I can tell you that on my 3rd shift, and every single shift I took until I stopped playing, and my job as a D was to try and kill / decapitate the opposing forward as he came across the blue-line or the centermen as he got the break out pass from his winger in his end (I would try and time it and basically kill him), from that 3rd shift on, when I was 6, the only thing I have every thought about was, if my head isn't up, and I can't calculate what is about to try and kill me, then bail immediately - and that is the biggest difference, as mentioned in this video, about learning contact at an extremely young age (which is no longer done) - it is that you don't give a crap where the puck is as the first priority - the only thing you care about is where is everyone that is trying to kill you - and this part is especially important - I call it spiddy senses - if, you have somehow lost the puck in your feet, for more than 1/2 a second, and you are still looking down for it, once you have been smoked like I was on my 1st two shifts, every fiber in your being tells you to duck - and you do - because you know, that you are about to get killed - so you adjust to take the hit which is coming - and this is what was pointed out in this video from the elite lady playing boys hockey - it is coming - so bail and protect yourself. So fast forward to today, where the hockey I grew up playing is not allowed, and contact doesn't start until boys have played non contact for many years = disaster - except for the most elite AAA players, like the girl in this video, who just process faster and 'get it' and know it is coming and adjust. Contact, taught at a later age than 6 - is a disaster - except for those super elite guys heading to the NHL who are so f'ing fast in the brain they know it is coming and you can't catch them anyways. My 2 cents is that there is no difference in male / female brains - my soccer brain, heading a heavy waterlogged ball saw stars every time - yet in hockey, and I played death sport hockey 35 years ago - never had a head injury after nearly dying on my first two shifts. If your kids are going to the NHL they will be fine - otherwise keep them entirely away from contact because it isn't taught at 6 years old and it will never, ever, ever work - my fellow coaches, who all grew up playing the game when I did, we could easily send every kid on the ice to the hospital on our team because they don't know contact like the game we learned - think Scott Stevens - we talk about it all the time.

[@bethanya99]

Thank you for bringing awareness to this topic of Concussions and Brain Injury. I work with people rehabilitating from brain injuries, and they are so common these days. I also noticed how little knowledge people have on how brain Injuries can affect people. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, create a video educating people on the multiple and various symptoms of brain injuries and how to interact with people who are recovering from them.

[@alexjimz615]

2:44 What is the correlation of “a woman in her period” and her getting more or less concussions?

[@PaulGuy]

"Why do women's hockey players get concussions?" Because all hockey players get concussions.

[@TheTacticalWalnut]

I’ve played hockey my whole life and believe, from my own experience, that social factors such as being perceived as “tough” by friends and teammates plays a role as to why men report less head injuries. A number of times I’ve had my bell rung, was definitely concussed, and felt the need to keep playing because of my own pride and peer pressures. At the same time, I don’t think that this “macho” factor is as serious in men’s hockey as it is in football. Even having sustained a few concussions in hockey, they are relatively rare and almost always occur because of self negligence or disobedience of the rules. It’s a safe sport when played smart and by the rules.

[@davidbroughall3782]

If you believe men are socialized to behave that way, then why don't all men behave that way? It's because the innate personality traits of individuals cause individuals to behave in different ways. We are not born blank slates.

[@TheTacticalWalnut]

David Broughall I don’t doubt that biological factors play a role in this attitude but was merely highlighting the fact that social factors likely play a role as well

[@davidbroughall3782]

Fine, but the "you have to be tough" attitude among males must have originated somewhere. I believe that attitude is so old that it can't be traced to a starting point, thus making it an innate male tendency. I use the word tendency purposely because I felt the "be tough" pressure in my youth, but that pressure never took. If we are born with our sexual preference already established, then why not other traits?

[@stephaneperron9852]

When you play non-contact hockey, you more easily develop the habit of looking down at the puck when tired. Standing tall opens your chest which is hard when breathing heavy after a few rushes. You add in stakes to the game and refs, players get competitive. Hockey is meant to be played with contact.

[@BarbedFire]

To be honest I most amazed by the fact that so many people seem to be convinced that the "cause" of the higher concussion rate is only due to one thing or the other. If men's necks are indeed stronger on average (no idea if that is the case or not) then it could contribute. And equally so could the idea of being told to toughen up and get over it. In that situation you then have a slightly reduced rate of male concussions in comparison, but then you also have a factor of under-reporting, so the disparity becomes even more pronounced.

[@AlejandroGarcia-uz3ne]

Josephine Pucci? Araki really went all out with part 9.

[@JaneDoe-ci3gj]

This is so sad,😢 thanks for shining a light on this!🙏 I think what's said about style of play and not having checking so you're not bracing for impact is the key! In amateur touch rugby (no tackling) mixed teams there are more injuries than in regular amateur Rugby also mixed teams. In regular Rugby you're aware that you can be tackled and you always brace for impact. When you tackle somebody you measure your speed and force for the tackle. In touch Rugby mixed teames where you don't tackle you tend to run faster and you collide with someone full speed ahead without either bracing for impact or measuing your force and speed!

[@Teagantomas]

Lmao I'm a girl recovering from a concussion from 🏒😂

[@joecrow2082]

Teagan .tomas 🥰🥰

[@OriginalPuro]

Typing in emoticons can be a sign of severe brain injury.

[@peytoncox8146]

Whether or not women report concussions more often, it is easy to notice when someone is concussed. As an alpine ski racer I have had quite a few friends get concussions. And if they are male or female it is definitely easy to tell when someone has a concussion.

[@nicholass5405]

i feel the one important part of that is that is that the numbers are the number of reported concussions and a lot of times in mens sports dont report them.

[@juliena4808]

The Karlsson hit though

[@rnqtn]

Hockey is lit.

[@dustyhistory]

Did he he made a power puff girls reference?

[@majdabreliof1138]

That's why my parents only agreed on me playing volleyball, they were so against soccer because of injuries Thank you mom and dad

[@JAB1545]

majda breliof I’ve been playing soccer, hockey and basketball with guys since I was supper young and I turned out fine😂 I play boys hockey and I check all the time as much as the guys do and the worst I’ve got was a hairline fracture to the foot because of a shot 😂 your parents are very conservative and they should try things before being scared of it. Not saying that your parents are bad, but they shouldn’t stop their kid from doing something because they’re afraid of it.

[@edsalisch4322]

I think Perucci made the point about keeping aware of it coming helps you protect yourself from impact and keeping your head on a swivel. The best way to protect yourself from a concussion is paying attention. I would argue they should be checking in the women's game.

[@planet1416]

Really they should allow checking in women’s hockey. There is no good reason why not if the men are already doing it.

[@kuuurt4242]

They have a higher risk of injuries.

[@shrekt1000]

i totally agree. omg!! a woman hit another woman!! penalty!!!! despite being pretty sexist the no checking rule alows the game to flow much more smoothly and overall be more satisfying to watch

[@threethrushes]

How the hell do they get so many concussions if there is no checking?

[@Deloxo]

American women’s hockey lost to the canadians at Sochi

[@boltactoinbarney]

Because they admit they are hurt. Thats why.

[@qwertzuiopqwertzuiop2107]

I couldnt take the video seriously after how theyve spliced together 2 videos at 2:06 trying to make it looks like it was the womens shot breaking the glass. I dont think women are weak, but how can u trust a source if they do stuff like this. Honestly just shameful

[@Brand-yk6dw]

tbh i always wondered why there were fewer improvements to hockey headgear and leg protection for blades

[@bibtebo]

'Beyond socio cultural factors, researchers are also asking if biological factors play a part to' Says it all about Vox

[@Oleander410]

Researchers are also looking into whether or not lemons are sour, or if that's merely a cultural convention.

[@joshyfowler1997]

or if lemons just have a genetic, biological predisposition to being sour due to genetic engineering over time

[@oliverwilson11]

Yeah it must be completely natural just like the completely natural sport of hockey Moron

[@unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956]

Com Lag I agree with you but they’re also talking more about whose gonna be reporting their symptoms more often. Your misunderstanding their point.

[@teh_reel_nb5632]

Username 1 he might have misunderstood that one point but it doesn’t take away from his.

[@aldeagopalazzo680]

I love how when you show any contact it’s almost always men there was like one girl hockey collision

[@JW-ez6yr]

How do you get a concussion in non contact hockey? 😂

[@platypiisaweirdword]

Accidental collisions, pucks to the skull, high speed falls, etc etc etc

[@danimal4202danimal]

Because there's men who feel their "manhood" is tarnished by reporting injury, where women don't have that stigma. Furthermore, men's sports have waaaaay larger financial ramifications for injury than women's sports, so an injury a man has may go unreported.

[@BnMProductions11]

My father used to ref elite womens and mens hockey and he said the trainers would be out on the ice literally every 5 minutes. You wont see the trainer on the ice for the men unless they physically cannot move.

[@moonstoneopal2917]

Riley is shook

[@tijan8948]

Well why don’t men and women play together? There’s your answer. Nonetheless I think concussion being singled out as the injury of study has some hidden agenda. Clearly studying bone fractures wouldn’t have as much sensationalism as concussion. This study needs to be taken with a grain of salt

[@yayjuiws4224]

Tijan That would be a massacre in the women's part literally, maybe train or adapt the females for heavier and harder collisions first before letting them play with men's hockey.

[@KutiePieKiera]

We are technically allowed to play with boys, it’s our choice whether we want to play with either gender. When there are no girls teams, you play with boys. It’s pretty simple

[@timlepo7080]

Are boys then also allowed to play with girls if there's no boy teams?

[@jaywalker_4629]

Kyla, but a girl playing on a boys team isn't? Lmao

[@ril3yjordan]

There are few boys teams, just teams and girls teams

[@plasmapoweredsabby]

Because it’s hockey the worlds most violent sport. /I’m not counting the after world cup party time in the violence of the sport... sorry footballers.

[@thehypnotoad5184]

You ever watched mma/boxing/any combat sport?

[@matthewwelsh294]

Rugby is more violent lol

[@CanucksHub]

Matthew Welsh I don't really think so, because in hockey the players are moving at a much faster speed and the collisions are harder which forces them wear a lot of equipment

[@shrkypeek]

The source showing that women had more concussions than men is from 2007. A time when hockey was much much slower than in the current years. That explains atleast partly why men get more concussions than before. The reason why women got more back then makes no sense to me. Also, the data showing if people had had a concussion makes me belive that a lot more women get concussions, but a single man gets more. In that case my theory is this. Men get concussions in certain roles becouse of their playing style and women get concussions due to unfortunate events like accidental hits out of the blue. If you have any ideas on disproving or bettering this theory defenitely comment.

[@Sam-vv4zd]

Vox: Why women’s ice hockey has a higher concussion rate than football Vox: No one knows

[@Vox]

Vox Skate Week is over, but you can still watch the rest of our videos about ice skating here: We interviewed Olympic skaters like Mirai Nagasu and Adam Rippon, and break down into the sport of skating in three other videos. bit.ly/2oGrA7N

[@emil5459]

Vox wait a minute.... This isn't figure skating, this is women's ice hockey!!! Bamboozled again, the old switch-a-roo

[@Wesely66]

Vox Nice video. But i feel like you kinda ignored that this is a problem in hockey overall. and it has nothing to do with what league you play in male or female. But more in how the game is played and what kind of protection we get while being on the ice. But still its inportent that we show some light on the problem and i think you did that well and i thank you for that.

[@tomzbomzer70]

Lmao “Neck Strength”

[@ddlithuania819]

just because of the number of reports about head concussions yall say that tere is more of it on the women side? Men are different and mostly dont report these things

[@minecraftminertime]

Watch the whole video before you comment. You look dumb because you're arguing at the video for saying something that it didn't even say. Also, do you know how the English language works?

[@d.y.358]

0:28 BOTH woman's and men's hockey report higher rate of concussion than men's football. All it means is that hockey's a more dangerous sport, which make sense because bodies are moving faster. Another key word is "report", which is a different statistic than the actual number of players suffering from concussions.

[@1000teresa4ever]

As a Nurse I can tell you, women in general are more open to reporting any signs of symptoms of feeling unwell much sooner. In life generally. Social expectations of men to be tough play a big part.

[@derekthehalfabee7942]

"However, despite that data point, the general understanding" Did you really just write that? So, ignore the DATA that YOU provided, and just go with your opinion? "although I wasn't able to squeeze all the data in the video, " So you were just able to fit in data that directly contradicts your point, but the tons of data that supports your opinion was left out?

[@PaulGuy]

Vox loves ignoring data in favor of a narrative.

[@kashminion4849]

2:42 women are more knowledgeable Smh

[@justas423]

1:11 Her last name reminds me of a certain gay priest.

[@WRcoug24]

One thing i notice when watching women's sport is a great variability in talent. Could it be that this plays causative role when women of vastly different abilities are facing one another?

[@The-Dom]

Concussion rates for men coming from not hitting leagues or countries to hitting is also much higher. In Canada our hockey program has considered removing hitting from the youth leagues, but realised that this then left then unskilled in receiving a hit, and resulted in significantly more injuries.

[@ThatTimeTheThingHappened]

Let’s just take a look at the reporting of the “women REPORT more” analysis. The conclusion here was that women are looked upon as weak, like their social perception of being “sugar spice and everything nice” makes them “weaker.” And this makes them the victim? Why is this the conclusion?? You could just as easily be that if men aren’t reporting concussions, it because they have to live in fear of being looked at as weak. So many more men are suffering and aren’t getting help. Why aren’t men looked upon as the victim then? Either way. Women could be OVER reporting, which makes all of this meaningless. We would need to see how accurate reporting occurs between men and women.

[@ErikGiovani]

Cuz they’re clumzo 😂❤️

[@NocturnalX7]

Applauded? Ok sweetbuns. Also this point "You don't show how tough you are by playing through concussion symptoms." How do you define someone as being tough? Showing up at school after someone made a mean comment about you? Going to work after sneezing a few times? Men generally not caring about health is a universal truth but come on, reported concussions? Not checking? How far do you have to look to know you're more likely to get knocked out by a sucker punch than an anticipated one?

[@minecraftminertime]

www.dictionary.com/browse/tough Showing that you can play through concussion symptoms makes you more stupid than tough. Being tough means being able to go through hardship. Concussion symptoms are mild, so someone trying to keep playing after getting a concussion isn't tough if they attempt to go through the mild symptoms. There is a line between tough and stupid. For example, pushing a car up a hill is tough. Not eating food for 5 months isn't tough; it's stupid.

[@Oleander410]

Not eating for 5 months is tough and stupid. Pushing a car DOWNHILL is stupid.

[@MC-up9nx]

I find it hard to watch a video that stretches out a one sentence answer, into six minutes.