Sly Cooper Theory: Sly's Parents & the Orphanage

[@repperex3745]

Who still wants the Series to continue

[@zviou8309]

Repper EX me

[@VtnVivi]

Everyone.

[@callme_dom4355]

I think they are contiuned just sly 5 is not realesed

[@SoapySlip4062]

Me

[@scott2488fan]

I do

[@ZeldaEd123]

I've actually had this theory for a while now that Sly's attraction to Carmelita may be hereditary and that all the Coopers (not counting Bob) have all been attracted to people in law enforcement with the possibility of Sly's Mom being a cop before settling down with Sly's Dad.

[@dylangouveia2424]

what if Carmelita came from a long line of cops that were supposed to catch the coopers or destined to marry

[@VtnVivi]

Carmelita is actually the fourth cop in her family!

[@chainzyt7912]

That's way I thought

[@crystalthunderheart8895]

Raising yourself is crazy, plus that means Sly got killed.

[@ukkothedwarf1259]

And it would never happen

[@rhithym]

Roba Fett no, you have to kill your younger self for events to disappear. if you killed the older self, the younger would just grow up and redo the loop all over again

[@tbossch]

Atleast he didn’t get thrown in a cell

[@Frzn_Blvd]

@@tbosschhe kinda did in a way he’s stuck in a time loop which forces him to live and die over and over if the theory is true

[@katelynbodiford5680]

Maybe Sly Cooper 5 will reveal the unanswered questions in Sly Cooper 4 because these are good questions maybe Sly was too young to remember what really happened

[@leod.rodriguez3399]

Katelyn Bodiford hopefully

[@amalfi5000]

I believe both Sly's parents were thieves together back then. So when Sly & Carmelita have a kid of their own in the future, he/she would live as both cop by day & thief by night.

[@IMidNightl]

I swear any game that involves time travel/multi-verse stuff always makes me loose brain cells lol

[@VtnVivi]

Same here

[@christinalittleton2242]

About a while ago, I once had a dream of a gameplay of Sly 5. In this gameplay, you're in Paris, France....playing as Sly's father (in his mid to late teens) and you're on a mission to prevent this international "Mistress of Disguise" from stealing something important. During the cutscene, you two gaze in each other's eyes as they glint in the full moon light. Conner Cooper: Excuse me, miss. I believe that you've stolen something from me that's priceless. Mistress of Disguise: Oh really? What might that be, per se? Conner Cooper: *sweeps her off her feet* My heart. Mistress of Disguise: *laughs* Oh please! The only thing here that's priceless is your sense of humor, Doll!

[@EvlutnTrnrDaisy]

Neat dream. ^_^

[@couragew6260]

I have had dreams before that became a reality months later. I hope you had that type of dream.

[@ShadowRaccoon54]

Write a fanfiction.

[@GEN1USYoutube]

Soooooo much writing

[@milsetamion7073]

I have dreams that Will happen in the future

[@jeffreywilliams8499]

This begs the question in the orphanage did Sly, Bentley, and Murray never got adopted to a new family when they were little kids or they decided to run away from that orphanage together from the mean headmistress Mrs. Puffin who be stealing cookies to herself not giving any of them to the orphan kids ?

[@VtnVivi]

I've always wondered :)

[@Bnatesgamer]

That's an insane theory man xD

[@VtnVivi]

+Bnatesgamer I know right XD. But it was still fun to cover :p

[@sharukrishnavigneswaran6902]

+VtnVivi hey i have a eastereeg in sly cooper theivs in time if you have the dragon claw then turn it over it will say clockwork was her :o

[@Sandman42561]

+Sharukrishna Vigneswaran Everyone knows that

[@juliareyes1234]

VTNVIVI I really enjoyed this, especially when you suggested Sly raised himself! Definitely a creative idea

[@starbrandsit-in5640]

In Sly 4 the father's name is Conner Cooper so we at least have his name.

[@VtnVivi]

Indeed.

[@crystalthunderheart8895]

Sis, "what if Conner married a fox. Just like every other cooper?" Me, "Would that mean Carmaleta and Sly are related?" Sis, "that's kinda creepy."

[@VtnVivi]

Something tells me the Coopers had a thing for foxes. Remember when Tennesse mentioned that Carmelita reminded him of someone ;)?

[@stlsheepgames4231]

sly's mom was murdered with sly's dad in sly 3 when they are talking about the panda king sly mentions it

[@seeltf]

Sly wears blue and yellow gloves, he also wears black and blue shoes. That's just a fun thing I noticed while playing Sly 1.

[@sohnwoo22]

My theory is just the super plain, Sly's father tried to protect his family, everyone died except Sly. All for Sucker Punch to add more mystery behind Sly's background. His mother was probably never a thief and therefore just dismissed by the company. They also probably hid his fathers face so they can do a huge reveal within the last game.

[@VtnVivi]

It could be as simple as that :P

[@Dincorta]

Ehh pretty generic and cliche if it's true. I just think Sly's parents are so mysterious because they're not important. They were another time, another generation. This story is about Sly and his legacy. I don't think we absolutely need to know everything about his parents. Adding mystery to his origin makes him more interesting.

[@afogelsangerproductions1791]

I agree.

[@hezrio622]

Dincorta maybe we can view his parents in sly 5

[@HamNcheese07]

I’m just curious you know like how the ancesters have ability’s we just wanna know there ability’s as well I mean I wanna know I think everyone else is set on who wore slys parents

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Mystery for the sake of mystery is just as cliché.

[@janskrzynski3753]

I hope sly 5 comes out as ss on as possible

[@VtnVivi]

+Jan Skrzynski It would be great!

[@janskrzynski3753]

VtnVivi we can hope

[@taigas7779]

your videos are amazing it surprises me that you only have 1,000

[@VtnVivi]

+Alejandro Santiago :D Thank you.

[@VtnVivi]

A 100 likes!? Thanks guys :D I noticed that a lot of you enjoyed this crazy theory :P

[@GamingWarlord64]

+VtnVivi this theory can't be true bechus at the end of sly 4 you unlock the ending if what happen to sly after the last battle he is in a desert it code be ancient egypt. IDK but it wood be amazing if in the 5 game if it comes out thy get sly back to the present and penelope starts her team of theves and mabby one of the members is slys mom? or clockwerk comes back to the present day and stuff IDK. but good video.

[@VtnVivi]

+Gaming Warlord This theory, let's just say, was for fun, it's pretty crazy. Sly's mom becoming part of a bad group? Anything is possible, unless she's really dead. Or who knows, time travel probably brought her to the present. Glad you enjoyed the vid :p

[@SlyCoolerBeastzYB]

+VtnVivi are you doing arpeggio theory next?

[@VtnVivi]

***** No, but it's in my list of upcoming vids :)

[@scottpalmer3108]

love your vids i am a huge sly fan and i love you theorys love your vids you most have 100.0000 subs in 2016 stil hoping sorry im not full english so I cant write perfect

[@luciasaavedra7142]

7:47 what if that's Carmelita fox, because the arm is the same color as her and she also wears yellow gloves :o

[@MrBarcelona1000Productions]

4:31 that picture of a Raccoon and a Fox is something that I have been wondering about since I played Sly 3 way back. Very interesting

[@ninorissanen2772]

I got so confused xD

[@VtnVivi]

+Nino Rissanen It is confusing XD

[@levialexander1916]

Hey VTNVIVI could you do a theory on if sly knew Carmelita at the orphanage when he was a child

[@hawker6723]

Don't think so hard , I loosely hold it together to better understand it.

[@rickm.4797]

What if Ratchet is Sly's father? Ah?

[@VtnVivi]

It explains everything, brain fart.

[@VtnVivi]

***** If so, that means the team doesn't know who they're up against, Penelope could have plotting something this whole time.

[@VtnVivi]

***** I don't think so.

[@callme_dom4355]

VTNVIVI what is that charcter as your logo?

[@AD-nv7nw]

i love your stuff, you literally have my 3 favorite games on one channel, its perfect, keep up the good work!!

[@VtnVivi]

+Alex Demers Thanks :D Glad you enjoy it!

[@stardogsmasher6217]

I'm having a hard time thinking if this would be possible from the mysteries of Sly's childhood before being on his own with Bentley and Murray.

[@VtnVivi]

Since his parents' faces always remained hidden (apart from Sly 4), I feel like there's this mystery. Why hide their faces right?

[@stardogsmasher6217]

VTNVIVI yeah that still makes things a big mystery.

[@coleinone5959]

Great vid as always! P.S. This is C Carter who usually comments on the Sly videos :)

[@LukeFolk]

What if a mini plot is that after sly goes back he wants to change the past and the gang has to actually stop him and it would be a really cool friendship thing

[@bestofmyeffortcustoms2581]

It's actually really sad to think about Sly taking care of himself and later dying. And just to have the same thing happen all over again. Oh well great theory.

[@VtnVivi]

+tailsandclankfan It's very sad actually. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@salad5549]

but maybe he remembers what happened to his father, and that its going to happen him in the same way so sly decide to change the future? I think that at least it would make sense that Sly will not need to die. ps I am so sorry that I have bad english because I am from Finland.

[@VtnVivi]

Salsahh ;3 If so, young Sly would've been raised in a foster home. That could've changed Sly's future completely.

[@salad5549]

Well thats true I didint even think abaut that

[@nonamemusic8328]

I think that they will reveal sly's father in the last sly cooper game and then never make another game about it. because when that happens, there is nothing more to fight or. he met his father and his the members of his family and put all the rivals of him in jail. what can they do after? maybe travelling to the future or something like that.

[@VtnVivi]

Or a prequel ;)

[@zackfair8762]

if sly raised himself as a kid, he would change himself completely in the future and it would mess a lot up

[@AlyssaFoxah.]

7:47 is there a chance that could have been Carmelita's arm? She has orange fur and yellow gloves like that. I'm just tossing out ideas.

[@VtnVivi]

+Alyssa Foxah Maybe!

[@darkf1014]

Cool, I subbed, I liked, and Commented! Nice work!

[@VtnVivi]

+dark f101 :D

[@dragoflight2noname952]

Sly's mom was killed in the kitchen of the house in an unreleased comic before

[@VtnVivi]

Really? Where'd you hear this?

[@KiwiBoi420]

sly realizes he can go back in time to his parents

[@KiwiBoi420]

like enough to be with them

[@VtnVivi]

That could to one very deep emotional story.

[@kamencj]

Great theory but there is one big hitch: Sly is stuck in ancient Egypt (look up the secret ending of thieves in time) so he has no way to time travel right now

[@VtnVivi]

I am fully aware ;)

[@kamencj]

@@VtnVivi yeah checked out you other theory vids and now know you are aware lots of my friends even though they love the game series are literally surprised when I show them that

[@wowfly6485]

What if penelopy was sly's father

[@ejss]

wtf

[@assassinofsorrow71]

Someone's brain is fried.

[@assassinofsorrow71]

And it's not mine

[@jamesiewalters2360]

Well, what can I say? Its been a long time, and it was one of his best memories, so it's possible that Carmalita was edited out to make it a perfect memory. You know how a humans memory changes over time, the same could happen here.

[@VtnVivi]

Edited out, do you mean Carmelita is the figure we see in the portrait?

[@jamesiewalters2360]

No, I mean that sly's memories grew hazier over time, and Carmalita vanished completely. You know no one can remember their childhood very clearly, it's like that.

[@jamesiewalters2360]

+Jamesie Walters I am of course referring to the orphanage memories.

[@bennu547]

Didn’t Sly literally say that his father will tell him stories about their family while he was sitting on his knee? So Sly knows he’s talking to his father. Not an older version of himself from the future

[@auroraborealis8155]

In sly 2 there is a cheat for this thing called TOM. TOM works like the alarm clock, but he either says "Hey, hey, HEY", or "Hey, hey, penuts". This could possibly be a toy Sly had as a kid and uses still today.

[@ultimateninja1241]

Toonami

[@zackarymario1335]

what is the music in the video

[@VtnVivi]

Scent of Silence Kingdom Hearts Re Chain

[@TheSaitIsHere]

I absolutely love your Sly Cooper videos Keep Up the good work

[@VtnVivi]

+JPF Thanks :D

[@TheSaitIsHere]

VtnVivi

[@raymond6845]

I own both comics. They took FOREVER to find at a price that wouldn't break the bank. Fun fact: Inspector Fox actually swears at Sly in the first issue. Also I'm glad you saw the portrait. I have been playing through the games again and when I saw it . . . I can't tell you what I felt . . . sort of a strange excitement for some reason.

[@VtnVivi]

+Raymond Davis I wish I could my hands on physical copies! When they briefly showed the portrait, I dunno, there was this mysterious feel to it.

[@blueranger7107]

Wow 8:40 thanks for talking about one of my theory that if all told together would make a big story

[@VtnVivi]

+Liam Fitzpatrick :)

[@Acruxicon]

That's the most confusing Sly Cooper theory I ever heard. No That's the most confusing gaming theory I've ever heard.

[@VtnVivi]

Haha XD

[@warriordarkgaming]

Should point out in the Recap for Sly 2, Sly talks about clockwork and says and I quote "Eventually he caught up with my parents" parents... as in plural... (yes I know this video came out like 6 years ago buttttttt my OCD requires me to correct the statement of his mom not being present at the time of the murder)

[@lightanddarkbros6646]

Slys mom got killed by the fiendish five

[@VtnVivi]

It is easily assumed yes! Plus Sly even said Clockwerk caught up with his PARENTS in Sly 2.

[@JimMcnugget]

At the start I thought you said ''to discuss his pants'' lol great video

[@VtnVivi]

+JimMcnugget haha. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@JimMcnugget]

VtnVivi :D Also I can't wait for thenew R&C game coming out in a coule of days! I'm doin gvideos on it on mychannel then like a mrarthonthing i can't wait :D

[@VtnVivi]

JimMcnugget In 3 dayyysss!!!

[@JimMcnugget]

I know :D AHHHHH!!

[@nrdfox7689]

Before this video I actually thought about Sly meeting his younger self and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a twist like that since the game has already put some twists out there like the Penelope betrayal. What if Sly's mom actually survived the fiendish fives attack and is trying to find Sly? But never got to since he is a thief. Awesome theory by the way! I'm looking forward to your future videos, you never disappoint!

[@VtnVivi]

+Fruity Smoothieh What if his mom sent him to the orphanage, in attempts of protecting him from Clockwerk and Fiendish Five? Although, Clockwerk explained that he spared Sly in order to prove that Coopers are nothing without the book. Maybe, his mom didn't want anything to do with him (very sad) and sent him to an orphanage? Anyways, Sly was probably sent to the orphanage by someone random, making the story a lot simpler. And thanks!

[@nrdfox7689]

+VtnVivi Like you said, this game has a lot of mysteries and questions that should be answered. He couldn't of just ended up at the orphanage. In Sly 5 If we meet his father that would probably answer questions. Or at least in Sly 5 have lots of Mysteries solved.

[@nrdfox7689]

+VtnVivi :D

[@TheGamingTemple]

Lol this theory is crazy, great video man!

[@VtnVivi]

+TheGamingTemple [TGT] Haha! It is pretty crazy (I was laughing when making this vid :p), even too crazy for such a simple game. But, it was still interesting to cover :). And thanks!

[@uberkirbeeh7954]

That would create a time paradox, the Cooper line would not continue on and they would be stuck in an endless loop. If you ask from me, they chose to not reveal Conner's face to create mystery and Sly's mom was killed during it. But she is not mentioned because she is not that important to the story.

[@VtnVivi]

This theory gives brainfarts and sounds far-fetched I know haha. And I agree, this creates a time loop. Sure, the parents aren't important to the story, but to leave them out in all games... I don't seems weird, like why?

[@uberkirbeeh7954]

VTNVIVI It is weird but maybe the parents were not focused on that much at the time but we do need more information about them.

[@natsudragneel130]

villian goes back in time sawes clockwork and tryes to kill sly

[@aaronpittman5583]

I just noticed your Profile Pic is Ratchet wearing a Sly Shirt also holding a keyblade and wearing a crown.

[@VtnVivi]

+Doctor Nefarious Haha yeah!

[@tales_of_fate4096]

The yellow glubes were just a thing I was thinking about do you believe me because I will come back

[@mael8938]

that mean sly knew he's gonna die when the 5 come to kill him, so it's impossible

[@Delbel_Giggles91]

What if his parents didn't actually die but Sly didn't know and he found out they were lost in time.

[@VtnVivi]

What if O_O

[@jamesiewalters2360]

Funny head cannon: when sly and the gang try to get back to their own time they wind up in the same time as the cookie hiest to see their younger selves being chased by a younger version of Carmalita with a cap gun. Just imagine their expressions!

[@VtnVivi]

Carmelita from the orphanage? We never heard about her parents, maybe she was orphaned as well. But wouldn't she have realised that by now, about happy camper?

[@jamesiewalters2360]

Something similar could have happened to Carmalita.

[@NordiusOfficial]

Carmelita is like 3 years older than Sly. Sly was 18 in 2002, making Carmelita 21 in 2002.

[@VtnVivi]

Yup :)

[@jpmccabe3745]

That time traveling being linked with sky's parents really does make sense but this theory could be the reason why sucker punch gave away the franchise and now that it's owned by a different company this will never get explained

[@VtnVivi]

+Jim McCabe Or maybe it will :P

[@rrmiko]

I think Sly 5 story is going to be sly founding his dad and mom with time machine

[@VtnVivi]

I'd like that to be honest, even if just we just see a glimpse of them, you know to keep that old tradition of not showing their faces.

[@nicksphatt5829]

I don’t know why Carmelita doesn’t care about sky’s parents that died from the clutches of clockwork

[@notsosmartguy6254]

My headcanon has always been that sly's mom was the daughter of of a mobboss and that she's still around and taking over her family business, she just rather Sly follow in her father's footsteps than become a mobboss.

[@VtnVivi]

+Notsosmartguy 625 What if she's still alive? If so, then why would she abandon Sly? What if she sent him to the orphanage, in attempts of moving away from his life? That would just be sad though.

[@TheAndkonmegalodon]

Remember the secret ending to Sly 4? I'm sure you've heard this theory thousands of times by now but I think Sly was sent back to Ancient Egypt (Thus explaining the desert in the ending) and he meets his ancestor there. Well, it just so happens that his ancestor is in the process of writing the Thievius Raccoonus. Sly plants a note in the book thus causing it to change for Bentley which allows him to take the time machine and rescue Sly.

[@VtnVivi]

+TheAndkonmegalodon ;p. I'll discuss about it eventually.

[@TheAndkonmegalodon]

VtnVivi Can't wait ;)

[@SlyCoolerBeastzYB]

+VtnVivi Penelope probably read thievious racconnus secrets, contents it maybe explain her betrayal

[@VtnVivi]

***** Penelope reading the book, interesting!

[@JamesDavy2009]

+TheAndkonmegalodon I've seen that occur in a certain show that shall remain nameless.

[@adamjones6473]

Maybe we'll find out what really happened to his parents in the next time traveling cooper game

[@VtnVivi]

+AJay Yes!

[@JamesDavy2009]

+AJay We know that Sly is stuck in Ancient Egypt at the end of Thieves in Time and according to the Thievius Raccoonus a Cooper did live in that time. If Sly 5 is a thing, time travel will need to be involved if Sly is to reunite with his friends.

[@VtnVivi]

JamesDavy2009 Yeah!

[@gustyko8668]

I think we may see Sly's mother in the future!

[@VtnVivi]

+Gustavo Barría Chavarría Since she was never mentioned, maybe!

[@The-Vigilante-and-the-Fox]

it could also be that sly's father was a fox & sly's mother was a raccoon 😇

[@TheViktous]

I just noticed that. the other could be Conner's gang with McSweny's tusks as a clear give away.

[@VtnVivi]

The picture on the bottom looks like the trio yes.

[@mar-nw6tc]

Sucker punch made such an interesting plot..sly's parents are a big mystery that we all want to know..

[@hassanghanim3966]

Heres my own crazy theory, is that every one of Sly's ancestors is married to a fox, first is the pic of sly's parent, and the second is that tennessee kid cooper mentioned that carmelita remind him of a girl he knows(carmelita's ancestors?).

[@VtnVivi]

+Hassan Ghanim ;p. I plan on talking about that.

[@CandyApples4ever]

XD foxes are just naturally sexually appealing to the coopers. Like I noticed in my family my female ancestors like black haired men.

[@chayluca]

Sly is stuck in a dessert , in a unknown time...

[@VtnVivi]

Yep.

[@angelworth1646]

I just got a crazy idea... What if slys mom was out on business for a few days, and all that happened while she was gone, the she got back, Conner is gone, sly is gone, and she has no idea where they are at? Then she goes off, gets married to someone else, and gave birth to Carmelita? It's crazy, I know. But you can only imagine right?

[@VtnVivi]

That would mean Carm is Sly's sister.

[@angelworth1646]

Lol yes, it would 😂😂

[@angelworth1646]

If slys mom is a fox and his dad is a raccoon, then that would make a hybrid kind of offspring. Sly would not be a raccoon. So what if Carmelita s mom was with Conner, but they did not have sly together

[@angelworth1646]

VTNVIVI so Conner with another raccoon, then having sly. Then something happens and Conner ends up with sly and the other raccoon leaves him and sly. Then carms mom comes along, and Conner and her get together but don't have kids, already having sly. Then maybe she left him for a fox, having Carmelita. Then they wouldn't be related.

[@VtnVivi]

Stepsister still too weird. Maybe Sly was a rare case, where he got all his genes from his father.

[@JakkiMiimikko]

Cool theory. I came up with this theory: Old Sly time travels to that time when his father was killed. Old Sly is the one who deciced help young Sly. Or maybe it's someone else. Like Murray :DDD Actually that would be cool, but kinda stupid. Great video again.

[@VtnVivi]

+JakkiMiimikko I think Sly time travelling right at the moment when his parents died is more likely. If Sly were to visit his parents, he would disrupt the timeline, resulting in him never meeting his friends and becoming who he is. And thanks!

[@hawker6723]

Vtnvivi, I think it's cool that sly helped his younger self with carmalita, at least in beginning. It sounds more likely to me(if slys father's name is Conner how can sly be his own father unless it's his biological father.

[@VtnVivi]

Ah now that's the thing, Sly wouldn't be his own biological father, an ''adoptive'' one instead.

[@theeighthwonderoftheworld7845]

I loved the theory and it is one of the best I've heard. I have to say that it is unlikely that the story would go that way:( It is to risky for the company. The theory seems a little bit to complex for a relatively simple video game. Although the picture and stuff would make sense. I have a theory that sly grew more and more powerful and eventually went back in time and either taught slightenkammon or is slightenkomman. This would make sense how it all started. I have to wonder how the cooper line spread through the world though. I am on the edge of working out a theory that every cooper is just one time tracking individual. Maybe at the end of each coopers life they go back in time and un age themselves into a child for them past selves to raise. And the first cooper was sly from the future. It would travel in a complete circle.

[@VtnVivi]

+Eli Roy You took the words right out of my mouth! About Slytunkhamen... I planning something ;p

[@theeighthwonderoftheworld7845]

Yeah I was just sitting there wondering how slyttnkhamen gained his skills. Like he was the first cooper and he had invisibility which is without a doubt the best move it seems like the moves would become better but instead slytunkhomman seems to be the best. Sly seems like he should be the peak cooper because of his knowing all the moves I think maybe that is where sly four left off maybe they'll official tell us but maybe they'll let us keep guessing

[@siresorb1419]

Problem with your theory. Sly and Carmelita get killed by younger versions of the fiendish five. A group sly single handedly took down as a rookie.

[@VtnVivi]

Hmm... My theory is Carmelita and Sly raise young Sly when his biological parents aren't around. This means Carm and Sly died by the hands of the fiendish five, they believed they had no choice but to die, you know to make sure this time loop would occur. Still though, this theory is still messed up now they I look at it back XD

[@georgecopers5071]

Connor: Son, have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagieus the Wise? Sly: No Connor: I thought not. It's not a story the Thevious Racconus would tell you. Thought of that meme when he asks his son about the Thevious Racconus

[@teddybear1143]

What if carmelita is sly's sister and his mom was a fox. This could be possible because after sly's dad was killed he was put in an orphanage (where he met bently and murray) and they got split up at the orphanage and took different routes...

[@VtnVivi]

So we're looking at incest?

[@pilop0073]

Sly Coopers dad also had a hat like young sly!You didnt see the shadow on the door when you said slys dad had brown arms and yellow glove.

[@VtnVivi]

A hat? Hmm...

[@pilop0073]

+VTNVIVI yes stop the video at 7:48 mins and u see that the shadow(Slys dad) has a hat just like young sly.

[@Coopergal33]

I think the point of having Sly's father being hidden (except for the little Sly4 cutscene) is that he is a mystery man. An ambiguous figure that no one knows except him. For the mother, I am not sure. But what if...this may sound farfetched..what if any memory of her is wiped off? Like for some reason it maybe...she must have did something to have some portions of her memory erased or messed with. Maybe to protect herself, her kid, some other agenda? We may never know. I am not sure if I brought this up earlier or not but I do believe that Penelope's inclusion in the Medieval level is a reference to the Black Plague. Not just for her being a mouse in England, but her black themed disguised as a call back to the black plague. Am I the only one who thought of this?

[@VtnVivi]

+Coopergal33 Despite this theory, his dad is a mysterious man that's all, like you said. I wonder if his mom is the one who sent him to the orphanage, to protect him basically. However, it's pretty sad that she would abandon her son. If she did abandon her son, then how come Sly doesn't remember her? (Maybe he did, but just hated bringing her up).

[@Coopergal33]

+VtnVivi What if she had no choice but to give him up? Since the Coopers are well known criminals, CPS might played a role in placing Sly in the orphanage. His mother sure is mysterious. Maybe more than his dad. Not to sound like a buzzkill but I've seen some stories where they use the "missing mom" trope. Even if the mother had an equal part as the father, the character will usually be concern more about the dad figure. Not all stories, but some stories. I could be wrong but that's just my thoughts.

[@VtnVivi]

***** Interesting :)

[@michaellynes3540]

Carmelita was born in 1981, Sly was born in 1984

[@StrictlyFactual]

But Sly can't meet his younger self, I thought if u were to ever come in contact with yourself from the past that would create a time paradox which would make you cease to exist

[@VtnVivi]

well, if you don't kill your younger self, then you should still exist. But, influencing your younger self might cause trouble. Your younger self might die at one point and you simply vanish like you mentioned.

[@JulienSlyProductions]

Hello ! I don't know if you will be able to see my comment 2 years later but i have something to tell you about what you said. "Sly never talked about his mom". I'm french, and in the french version of Sly he says "Ils ont tué mes parents" -> "They killed my parents". "Parents" in plural does mean that his mom died too, right ? ^^

[@VtnVivi]

Sly did say Clockwerk caught up with my parents, so it is believed the mother died as well. The question is, why didn't Sly ever mention her? Merci de partager :)

[@JulienSlyProductions]

Yes that’s a good question. I never asked it before your video Now i’m pertubated xd Ps : De rien ! Continue ton travail j’adore ! :)

[@pandasuper4718]

Wait but if sly was the father how could he steal the diamond/rubin

[@VtnVivi]

Let's just say that was his biological father.

[@lexusdriver1963]

Yeah to this day we have some facts about Mr. Cooper who his first name is Connor Cooper but we have no facts about Mrs. Cooper. In my opinion we don't know how Connor met Mrs. Cooper and to make things less confusing when Sly said "My father fought to protect us" this indicated that only Connor defended his young son and his wife so it turns out that Connor is the only one who was murdered by the Fiendish Five. Sly's mom Mrs. Cooper is nowhere to be seen so we're left with a thought whether she's out of the house for a while. When she arrives back home she was devastated when she discovers that her husband was murdered and the Thievius Racconus is ripped and stolen by the Fiendish Five. To explain the part where Sly ended up in the orphanage I would say that Sly's mom fell into severe depression that she couldn't take care of Sly that she sends him to the orphanage and at that point I believe that was the last time Sly gets to see his mom. So Sly's mom has been a total mystery but I believe in Sly 5 when Sly is reunited with his crew, Bentley and Murray and hopefully Penelope if she truly redeems herself and is exonerated and his girlfriend Carmelita they all get back together and when Bentley tries to locate where Mrs. Cooper is right now Sly can truly reunite with his long-lost mother and at that point Sly and his mom all hug each other as Sly's mom finally recovers from her depression and is glad to see her son all grown up together with his friends. For Carmelita I believe she might reopen the case of the Fiendish Five and there would be a retrial of the Fiendish Five excluding Clockwerk who is dead and the Panda King who is now living with his daughter and is exonerated. The Fiendish Five that would face the retrial are Sir Raleigh, Muggshot and Mz. Ruby and they're all convicted of first-degree murder of Connor Cooper and all their prison sentences would be changed to either Life Imprisonment without the possibility of parole or Capital Punishment. Long answer short Sly's mom has an ambiguous fate either she's dead or still alive.

[@micheleportatadino5919]

It's just amazing how much story this franchise contains, although my brain hurts from hearing all of this... That's why I hate time travelling, it messes up way too hard.

[@VtnVivi]

+Michele Portatadino Time travelling is complicated yes :p

[@tales_of_fate4096]

Thanks I keep watching this video over and over what if there could be clues in sly 5 have you herd when its coming out .

[@VtnVivi]

I haven't heard anything about Sly 5 yet.

[@sherlockedhetalian725]

+VTNVIVI it's just a rumor as of right now. I think it's a strong possibility though.

[@tales_of_fate4096]

+Mz Evenstar ok I don't get it what is the rumor

[@tales_of_fate4096]

+Mz Evenstar I am not a rumor 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@nerdyhokagexl6570]

dude this theory got me confused I think you need to do part 2 of this theory also great theory

[@nerdyhokagexl6570]

also I have a theory and it's about how ratchet and Clank remake. what if ratchet and clank went back in time and went before the series began. I do have proof about it like how Dr. nefarious is not a robot yet. maybe before up your arsenal dr. nefarious was not a robot but a alien or human. instead of quark killing nefarious what if ratchet and clank killed him. this could be one reason why nefarious hates ratchet and clank so much. what I mean is ratchet went back in time when clank was made and nefarious was not a robot. it could be ratchet as the murder and not clank. maybe clank does not know this and it's a secret. I don't really know if it can be true and it's the remake so I guess nefarious is like that but I think you should find more proof and make a video about it so whata you think about that?

[@VtnVivi]

+Laz bandicoot Time travel itself is confusing. What got you confused?

[@VtnVivi]

+Laz bandicoot Nefarious was originally an organic life form, confirmed in Up your Arsenal; Qwark was involved in him turning into a robot. Time travel was never actually introduced, apart from the Great Clock, which itself isn't really a time machine.

[@timisoderstrom5394]

can you found sly father to the start

[@mymusic9407]

It's like the grand father paradox

[@faniolecelestin3684]

who else loves sly like a son

[@juliasundberg7135]

What if sly IS THE OG COOPER? What if Sly got stuck in time and basically just started the whole cooper clane.

[@challengerpat9810]

I'm righting a fanfic on this topic but it's based on a true event

[@VtnVivi]

I see :O

[@blankblank7382]

What song from Kingdom Hearts is playing during the video?

[@garethmacklam4655]

I think that Carmelita's mom and Sly's dad are married.And Sly does not want Bentley and Murray to know.And Carmelita does not know that Sly is her brother.

[@VtnVivi]

Oh boy, Carmelita dating his brother... that would be one mess XD

[@crimsonking279]

If sucker punch developed sly 4 it would have been much better we probably would have got more information

[@mikeythewarriormtw5140]

With the movie that is coming some time soon, will we find out about his parents and see his parents in the movie?

[@VtnVivi]

+Michael Goodridge Hmm... I think they would go more towards some sort of flashback.

[@milsetamion7073]

I think Its Like this: Sly in the egypt somehow make the time Machine And use his weapon as the item to travel back, but he made Mistake And travel to time where his parents live (not maried). Then when he try to find his parents he relaizes that he was his father the whole time. After that he make the famile And do the same thing as his father (himself). And to hide the truth he paint himself And change his cloths.

[@VtnVivi]

Hmm....But how would his cane guarantee a trip to the present?

[@milsetamion7073]

@@VtnVivi i thing he Will make the Cane And hide it in the place, that he found his Cane whene he was younger. Plus i thing that sly (Future one) Will maried Fox that looks like caremira (sorry for the Wrong Spelling) but he knows that She wants divores as time goes on And that Fox Will maried someone else And make a baby And name her camerira (again sorry for spelling).

[@SoleEpochMultipod3592]

I guess they sacrificed themselves to ensure a better future for their son

[@ohmilkysmile]

7:45 the brown fur with yellow gloves, Carmelita fox, I dont think Slys father will be brown regardless though. (Or that the theory is real)

[@VtnVivi]

If that is Carmelita, then we got a time loop thing going on :P

[@ohmilkysmile]

@@VtnVivi wibbly wobbly timey wimey

[@ohmilkysmile]

@@VtnVivi also didnt expect you to reply to such an old video whoa

[@VtnVivi]

@@ohmilkysmile ;)

[@Kashboyrizz]

when I get older I'm gonna make sly 5 if these guys don't make one

[@VtnVivi]

Lets go!!!

[@callme_dom4355]

But if they make sly 5 you make sly 6 If it happen i vould be happy!

[@manbanasiak]

Are you sure it wasn't Sly's son from the future? That could be possible.

[@manbanasiak]

Any judgement?

[@VtnVivi]

+Michael Noble Sly's son from the future raising his own father O_o? Mind blown. Now that would be pretty crazy.

[@manbanasiak]

Yes indeed.

[@jacobtimms9404]

If sly where killed by the 5 after all that he has been trough and then the younger sly can kill him as an amuter