Vtol VR: Taking the AH-94 Stealth Helicopter DLC for a spin!

[@freedomplaza8523]

Love to see my fav DCS youtuber venturing out into the world of VTOL! Hope you make more content on it, VTOL is very overlooked by the overall simming community.

[@RedKiteRender]

It's a great little sim, dip into it every once in a while, VR is a pain in the arse to produce content with though! Lots of audio clean up, difficult recording setup, thankfully Vtol VR has a smoothed headtracking spectator camera!

[@christerjackson9589]

@@RedKiteRender The S-cam is amazing, not only for recording but also have a stabilized view if someone is watching on your monitor. I love the quality of life features and mods. The Media Player mod for example which syncd the already existing MP3 feature (Back left console on all of the aircraft iirc) to KZbin, Spotify etc so you don't have to go out of VR to lower the music or skip a song. Overall it is just so much more immersive.

[@gdspy]

You can hold the left trigger and press the left thumbstick to enable auto pylon tilt, so that the rocket pylon can automatically aim at the target.

[@gdspy]

When you want to make a quick turn, lower the collective first. Maximum collective means low maneuverability.

[@koekiejam18]

This looks like it would be an absolute blast to play using capto gloves and a HOTAS setup

[@ricbish]

This is definitely a under rated VR game! Lots of fun! Really loving the helicopter gunship!

[@hizokuto]

What a suprise! This is the game that got me into VR when I tried it at a friends house, and then got me into DCS.

[@RedKiteRender]

What a gateway drug!

[@JohnnyLawBMC]

Very nicely done. Thank you for sharing.

[@paulf1389]

You can actually set the control column between your legs, from the options menu on the MFCD, which I have found is a lot better. Great video, I have been trying this out too. It’s a lot of fun.

[@RedKiteRender]

I tried that but found it less comfortable for me as my armrest was a good height for the side stick.

[@vgaportauthority9932]

Comparing it to Microprose and 90s sims is so accurate. It's exactly what it is, and I kinda love it. Hardcore sims can get to be more than I really want to deal with a lot of the time. How everything is laid out for hands to touch, no shortcut buttons or anything, that really makes this game something special. Anyone can learn it because it's just super intuitive and not hidden behind a thousand keyboard shortcuts. Also love the minimalistic art style of the planes. Looks so clean in VR.

[@RedKiteRender]

It's a great game to introduce someone to flightsims if they're already into VR.

[@farmingandmaybemore5175]

Speaking of microprose, my favorite game was b17 the mighty 8th, 100's of hours in that game and still have it. But good news is they are remaking it to work fully in VR with 10 player multiplayer, can not wait!

[@RedKiteRender]

@@farmingandmaybemore5175 I love B-17 Mighty 8th! Used to play it a lot in the past. Commander mode was always so heart breaking when your fav crew slowly fell out of the sky on the way home due to battle damage.

[@robertmiles9942]

Back in the 8-bit and 16-bit days, Microprose used to put all controls around the perimeter keys of the keyboard, and every game included a cut-out keyboard overlay with every single control clearly labelled. I miss that simplicity.

[@RedKiteRender]

@@robertmiles9942 Only trouble with that is you end up with weird control binds that made no sense without that cut-out! Why is my Gear on 6! why did i just drop my bay doors instead of my flaps! I actually rebind the controls in old dos games to make them more logical these days. But there's no denying how cool those cut out sheets were.

[@indyjons321]

I do love how VTOL VR is the perfect mix of sim and arcade.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

5:29 You can set the sensitivity down to 0.6 in the options MFD (without sacrificing max throw), and you can also switch it over to a center stick :) 6:58 Totally agree, and it has that VR only controls which make it absolutely immersive and also accessible for people who don't have any HOTAS yet at the same time who might come over to DCS eventually after getting into the whole thing with this :)

[@warshrike666]

Yup i already changed the sensitivity my problem is properly trimming the chopper. For the life of me i cannot get it to just hover. If someone can do a proper trim video that would be awesome. I can pretty much get it flying straight and level no hand on stick but trying to just get it to hover in place yeah i am finding that very hard. Oh and i agree centre stick is way way easier and way more intuitive as it is a proper chopper control. You can hook a hotas up to Vr Vtol havn't tried to hook mine in but apparently the option is there.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

@@warshrike666 Weird thing is I can't even trim the thing, the wheelbrakes also don't work. But I can't use the thumbstick for anything anymore since the AH-96 update... guess they introduced some new bugs, unknowingly.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Solved my problem, somehow a few settings reverted and Thumbstick Mode was off in the controls tab.

[@warshrike666]

@@CakePrincessCelestia Oh ok i havn't had that issue. Tho to trim the collective you have to grab the lower handle wont work if you the have the forward part of the collective stick in your hand. I didn't know that at 1st. Its a awesome update and i love the chopper but in a futuristic Aircraft i would imagine a auto trim function would be 1 of the 1st innovative technologies 1 would expect in a chopper. :)

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

@@warshrike666 Had to figure that out as well, it's like the real apache which also has the flight and mission grips like that. Maybe we'll get some auto trim (=stabilization) after DCS: AH-64 drops. ED themselves say it's by far the easiest to fly of the helos so far because it does have such systems. I mean, even the Mi-8, Mi-24 and Ka-50 do have that in some form.

[@Yucci]

You can actually lower the sensitivty of the stick in the options, on your MFD. I have it set to 0.6, makes it so twitchy movements barely has any impact on the helicopter. I've had VTOL VR since 2018 but I can barely fly anything lol. I know how to fly the helicopter now and how to handle the weapons but damn I have so much to learn still.

[@mascot4950]

I got this game late yesterday, late enough that I only had about 15 minutes to give the first two tutorials a quick go before bedtime. My mental note was "there has to be a way to reduce how twitchy the stick is," so thank you for this. Now I know for tonight. :)

[@Al-Azraq]

Great video! Immediately wish listed this game especially because I’ll get into VR very soon. Sure aircraft are not real but I find them complex enough to have a ton of fun.

[@benbennit]

Totally agree it is the right balance of realism. A sim that is FUN, and this is probably the best since the days of EF2000 and F22.

[@Rodz88]

Very cool video!

[@barbieboy3243]

Pro tip: if you go to options there is a joystick sensitivity setting make it 0.60, makes it super easy to fly

[@MythionVR]

Just incase anyone was wondering, the AH-94 is actually based on the Bell 360 Invictus. :)

[@noobeip2]

Thanks bro i was searching for the name 😂😂😂

[@Skullizer]

Mixed with the RAH-66 👍

[@johncrichton4341]

Wow! I bought this game when it first released and check in now and then - this is a big update. I play a lot of MSFS2020 and the physics are certainly at least as good here as there. If the Developers improve the outsides it will be an even better simulator.

[@CosmiicCandii]

This is developed by a singular person.

[@alphanrd]

Hey! Great flying! I wanted to start with DCS but thought it might be better to wait until I get a proper hotas setup as well as a stronger PC. I think that VTOL VR is doing a great job getting me more hyped about, one day, entering DCS. I'm really glad they released the AH94, so far I'm loving it🙂

[@hommusC1]

DCS is a worse game experience to VTOL, it’s a lot less immersive due to a lack of physical input. Sure it’s a more realistic sim, but unless you are some sort of IRL fighter pilot, realism is actually a bad thing, makes things unnecessarily painful.

[@alphanrd]

@nog eagor I'm a fanboy of aviation and a great admire of pilots who have the ability to multitask in stressful situations. Civilian as well as fighter pilots. I find them impressive🙂 The people who built these aircrafts and their knowledge on things I'd never be able to figure out are to me, profoundly impressive 😂 I very much get your point in terms of realism. However, after i bought myself a PC and got introduced to simulations such as Squad and EFT, I'm now hooked on realistic games. It's actually pretty wierd how these type of games have had such of an impact on me. At the same time, one can learn a lot of interesting things and I'm able to put my brain to the test. Simulation games can most certainly be a painful experience but the rewards coming from all of the grinding and research along the way are to me, priceless👍

[@A5tr0101]

@@hommusC1 Is it? It doesn't lack physical input at all, it supports almost every flight stick, throttle and even MFD displays... Some planes fully support VR

[@BTKCuk]

Great video! Thanks for sharing. Gonna push the button for this now. I hope my Reverb G2 controllers are up to the job.

[@huntingfox3351]

They do the job perfectly for me

[@Rivers256]

It's nice to see people enjoying the heli. I turned the joystick sensitivity down to about .60, not sure if you have adjusted yours. It really helped a lot with maneuvering with stability. I also use the autopilot and just adjust the heading slightly to turn, for long trips.

[@Lb8068]

It’s nice to see a bit more of Red’s personality come across with all of the hand gestures :^)

[@RedKiteRender]

Honestly it's really fun to have hands in game for presenting! Wish i could do something similar in DCS, but DCS' VR is awful for recording without a smoothed camera and the woeful performance!

[@maxwarrior3324]

I wish DCS has this implemented 🙌

[@silenoz111]

The index finger pointing reminds me of Kenny Everett 😂😂😂

[@illusions4559]

Great vid! Its been filling the hole between the apache release and I can't wait for your videos on the mighty apache, quick thing you can adjust the joystick sensitivity in the option MFCD page

[@thomasmaier7053]

I love VTOL VR, it strikes a nice balance of arcade and tryharding.

[@Bluboy511]

You can switch joystick modes such that the yolk is between your legs. If you select option then joystick mode, it will switch the joystick to the middle of the cockpit. I find that it is much easier to fly using this mode. there is also the option to adjust sensitivity which will help as well.

[@thatsstoguy]

something cool, all of the vehicles, (only in F/A-26 if you have the TGP installed) you can do the thing with the camera, you just need to put down your visor in the AV-42 and F/A-26

[@mcribprime6594]

Airwolf VR, that’s what we need..

[@sofam84]

You sound so genuinely excited about this :) awesome!

[@MrKnotical]

Using the Index controller you can activate EOTS head tracking mode by holding the controller thumbstick down, release it & up / down thumbstick controls zoom. Re-click to lock camera on current. This completely changed the game for me. Can't wait for this helo.

[@RedKiteRender]

That is a very handy shortcut I'll try and remember that, thanks!

[@charlies40556]

Works with quest 2 as well :)

[@CosmiicCandii]

As a caveat, you have to be holding the combat collective and not the flight collective. And TADS has to be your SOI.

[@Pe11ePD]

The flight stick/controls are ultra smooth with Rift S and Quest 2. You can also set a sensitivity via MFD.

[@AV-8er]

I know I’m a little late, but you can change the sensitivity as well as the location of the joystick in the settings.

[@ernestwinslow7316]

That was a fantastic video. I particularly like the functionality of that overlayed camera and the ability to zoom in. Do you know if this functionality would be available in DCS version of the Apache?

[@RedKiteRender]

Whilst not entirely the same, yes! You've got a monocle which can display video in a very similar fashion. Wags showed it off in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5CYamOXhrl4fM0

[@ernestwinslow7316]

@@RedKiteRenderThanks. That zooming ability would just be cool for proper target id if implemented.

[@zikiziki469]

This is awesome thanks for the video.

[@christopherbernhardt]

I move the controls so that I am resting my left hand on my leg and can use where the controller sits on my leg as a pivot. Way easier to fly.

[@therealCG62]

the AH-94 is really neat, I just wish it had a PNVS turret in addition to the FLIR it has now so you don't sacrifice the thermal HMD overlay when you need to target something with the FLIR. Also yeah the lack of physical controls is a big pain in the ass. Not only is it more difficult to control than it really ought to be, I find I get tired a lot faster playing VTOL VR than I would in something like DCS, just because I'm having to very precisely hold my VR controllers in a specific place and rotation instead of just being able to push or pull on a physical controller.

[@RedKiteRender]

It's not an issue in sp, but yes! having a second camera would be so nice for multiplayer, stopping the infighting for tads control! I get the very same discomfort after an hours play as well, armrest helps but it also hinders!

[@gdspy]

You have a night vision goggle on your helmet, though you can't see through the cockpit.

[@allmight1612]

2:22 *methodically* presses button

[@Scaleo3]

Those looks like air-to-air stingers rather than Aim-9's

[@635_]

On one of the mfd's go into the options page to switch the stick mode to one between your legs its a lot less shaky and easier to control

[@AvengerBB1]

I've been thinking about this for a while. Might have to pull the trigger next time I have the cash.

[@alcmann]

Thanks for the review. Such a great game with potential, however no native (non mod) Support for a HOTAS or joystick input less the rudder pedals is a deal breaker for me still. Returned it when I figured this out. Hopefully The dev will add this in the future

[@potatonamedtate6727]

It has native rudder support, just gotta enable it in the settings. Dev has said he does not want HOTAS use as that is not the purpose of the game. It is designed from the ground up to be tactile, and well that dose not translate perfectly 100% of the time, I love not having to plug my stick in all the time

[@alcmann]

@@potatonamedtate6727 yea I know I said less the rudder. I knew it had axis inputs for that. Just silly they don’t add joystick support. Oh well

[@charlies40556]

@@alcmann why is it silly the whole game was built from the first line of code to not support HOTAS because it doesn’t need it and will never have it this isn’t DCS it’s a VR game not a 2d flight sim

[@gdspy]

The developer said in the FAQ: I don't think that there's a way to provide the level of interaction that I'm aiming for while using a HOTAS, especially with all of the cockpit systems like the MFDs and touch screens. Although it may be technically possible with a mouse, head pointing, or some combination of HOTAS and touch controls, it won't be without the clumsiness that I intended to move away from in the first place.

[@DFX2KX]

@@gdspy the issue is that unless you own a Vive or Index with it's laser-tracked controllers, actual precision is quite difficult, especially if you've got your head on a swivel with a Quest 2. The heli is fun, but it REALLLY doesn't like tracking loss. Even allowing for axis inputs alone would let me print and use a magnet mount on a normal joystick base, so I can still get consistent inputs while looking around.

[@anto687]

Centre-stick was the first change I made, followed closely by sensitivity drop!

[@ShawnF0912]

All aircrafts has tgp overlay on hmd functionality.

[@m0inster815]

Is it possible to lock on ground targets with the Head Targeting? It seems I cant lock on these targets with the Targeting on the Head. Just with the normal targeting monitor. Is there a way?

[@larryhunt8003]

While hovering in place, and twisting the stick, I find that I can only turn so far before it stops.

[@snux7364]

i find the thing i dislike about VTOL VR is the stick controls, you can change the sensitivity and also make the stick a centre stick instead of side stick which helps, you can also use physical rudder pedals which i would do if i had them

[@RedKiteRender]

I love that you can use rudders, although mine are too tangled to bring out into the room to use with VR. Trouble i have is accidental inputs and a de-synchronisation between personal handle angle and in-game stick angle.

[@NanoTrasen]

You say you dislike them, and then go on to list everything that makes them great.

[@RedKiteRender]

Things are rarely black and white, you can like and dislike something.

[@NanoTrasen]

@@RedKiteRender Indeed, as someone with hundreds/thousands of hours in both games, I agree. Merely poking fun at his wording. :P

[@RedKiteRender]

@Patridge Got to say, the thing i hate about food /is/ how good it tastes, it would make me fat without self control!

[@Spakianor]

Looks like you are tapping the buttons on the MFD (without pressing the knuckles trigger), if that's the case: Please tell me how!

[@varanzmaj]

I wish that the DCS devs would add a similar tactile hand-controller system to DCS World. Not all of it of course, but I would just like to hit the switches and buttons with the hand gestures instead of using the stupid laser pointer fingers, or the mouse. I'm currently using the mouse lefty-style in VR since I need to obviously keep my right hand on the cyclic/stick to keep flying. Would love to be able to just pick up a hand controller and hit the buttons intuitively.

[@SqaurebearSqaurebear]

you can decrease and increase the sensitivity of the joystick down to 0.6 from 1.0 and up to 1.8 in the opitions page on any mfd i think

[@RedKiteRender]

You can but, it's a treatment of the symptom not the cause of the issue.

[@robertmiles9942]

How are you getting the tooltips for the hand controls to pop up? That would be a big help for me with the AH-94 but mine doesn't do that. It just says "cyclic" and "collective"

[@RedKiteRender]

They're found under the options on the mfds, same page as the sensitivity i think.

[@alanharrington]

Where on earth did you find out how to use all the weapons systems? I can't find any resources in the game folder or anywhere?

[@RedKiteRender]

Systems are common across multiple aircraft, look at the tutorial missions for each one, was plenty enough for me to figure things out.

[@zaoc1]

wait, this game has finger tracking for index? I just played it for the 2nd time and don't have that. is there a setting somewhere I have to change so it knows I'm using a valve index?

[@RedKiteRender]

I believe it's one of the settings yes.

[@Gray1_9]

For me the joystick shakiness comes from my hand shaking, I mitigated alot by resting the controller on my thigh and pivoting it there

[@felixf4613]

This was my favourite VR game. I miss my rift s. :(

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

What happened to it? Works great on a Quest 2 as well I suppose. I'm not at home at the moment and I've been flying that thing with a Quest 1 via VPN and it was great already, even with the compression (just 32MBit/s in Virtual Desktop, since my Upload at home is just 40 and higher values generate massive lag spikes).

[@felixf4613]

@@CakePrincessCelestia The cable got broken and Amazon didn´t had a replacement nor the option for a repair and refunded the full price. There where no new models available. Maybe I´ll get another one someday.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

@@felixf4613 At least you got a refund. Try getting the Quest 2 128GB - it's basically an upgrade for less and added standalone/wireless PCVR capability. You can get the Link Cable for less image compression compared to AirLink from VR Cover for it, it's probably the best bang for the buck high quality link cable.

[@DFX2KX]

You can use a Quest 2 in PCVR mode. I use that with Virtual Desktop and it works fairly well. Still hate how often I loose tracking on the controllers (which the AN-94 dislikes immensely, lol) when I turn my head too far.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

@@DFX2KX That wouldn't be any better with the Rift "F" though, same tracking method. Their next controllers will have cameras instead of tracking rings to get rid of such problems. My Reverb G2 isn't much different, just even worse in that regard. It only works well enough with my old CV1, but that res... :D

[@jasonmeister6988]

I loved Vtol VR, I just hoped for more campaigns. But seeing a chopper thingy in it made my day. Does it have a campaign?

[@notalawyer9824]

The f-15 look alike and the jet version of the v22 have their respective campaigns, the f35 and helicopter just have some missions

[@nerdoutreachprogram5358]

Are there any mods for the game that will increase the render distance of the trees and stuff on the ground, to reduce pop in? Anyone know?

[@MrPhantom453]

Thanks for the vid Mr Kite. Love the bright red combat flying suite!! A little too arcade like I feel.

[@RedKiteRender]

It's funny hearing that, take someone from Ace Combat and they'll say it's realistic and complex!

[@charlies40556]

It’s not made to be a exact Apache sim you’ll be ok

[@huntingfox3351]

Its looks makes it feel more arcadey than it is. It goes pretty in depth. RCS is actually modelled better than in DCS afaik (pretty important for the F-45, which is the F-35 lookalike) so combat tactics definitely do apply. For GPS weapons you will need to set GPS target points, and you can set a path for cruise missiles. Also the dev has a video showing IR missile mechanics and flares, which makes me think is is modelled more accurately than just the x chance of defeating a missile per flare. Instead the flare actually seems to go for the average hottest point.

[@foxtrottone]

Magnifique !! ça me fais rêver ! Quelle est votre config ? Please ! pc.. vr Thanks

[@jazzdirt]

I find the stick more comfortable then the sidestick.. (you can switch those in options on the mfd) And you can set sensitivity there too...

[@RedKiteRender]

And i found it more comfortable with the sidestick!

[@jazzdirt]

@@RedKiteRender Yeah, I guess that's why they have both options.. LOL I rest my arm on my leg, and it feels rather natural to me.. Did the sensitivity do something for you, or did you just get used to the default?

[@RedKiteRender]

@@jazzdirt Funniliy enough i prefer my actual hotas centre mounted! Sensitivity helps, but it's more a case of controller position de-syncing over time and i go to move, and get a different result to what's expected. Re-grabbing and being more conscious of my own hand drifting helps reduce the issue.

[@jazzdirt]

@@RedKiteRender Yeah that happens.. keeping the controllers batteries full helps.. but I sometimes find myself making inputs I didn't make too.. I'd like to have haptics like in Wrench.. that you have an actual resistance in moving through haptics.. I felt it, it can be done.. In wrench when you near the torque a nut should be fastened at you feel the handle tightening up... That way you could create a center-point feel.. Because that's the reference you're missing.. or me... you get the point.. A way to feel your center without having to visually confirm it..

[@RedKiteRender]

@@jazzdirt Some people came up with a magnet gimbal that attaches to your chair, and you use that to maintain position with another magnet on the base of your controller. I might try 3d printing off something like that one day.

[@lithium1770]

For a stealth heli it sure get locked onto every 2 seconds.

[@koc988]

I feel like the ah-94 is a commentary on the Comanchd stealth attack heli that like most other 90s weapons was killed by the end of the cold war

[@YourRightSock]

I was thinking more of the Comanche heli back in the 90s lol.

[@koc988]

@@YourRightSock sorry yeah I was remembering a different aircraft that interestingly has a very similar design layouy to the Comanche but is a 70s design

[@MrErictank]

The Cheyenne, I believe that one was.

[@PebelWasTaken]

Can you use a Hotas with this game?

[@STgreenfish]

what mission is this?

[@Dcscinematics140]

I have been flying the apachi for a while but I have no clue how to fire the countermeasures but I do on the f18 and the f35

[@Dcscinematics140]

Can anyone help?

[@RedKiteRender]

Play the ingame tutorials for the other aircraft, they're functionally very similar overall with controls.

[@seuchenvater5687]

Hey I was wondering because I haven't full watched the video yet, nor have I been able to find anything online, but does anyone know how to deploy flares and chaff on the new helicopter? neither me (pilot) or my friend (copilot) could figure out how to. I have the flare and chaff switches on, but we couldn't find the button to launch them. I don't know if it explains that or not in this video

[@JustinVo99]

I think you need to hold the collective and hit the face button on your controller, so the ones on top of it.

[@Valkyrien04]

one thing i REALLY hate about the AH-94 is theres no NVG failover for whoever doesn't have access to the camera currently, i was running a mission on a random server and it made it extremely hard to pilot while my front seater set and fired weapons, we'd have to trade off and each time we did whoever lost the camera was basically blind. the rest of the bird is fantastic and i love it

[@gdspy]

You have a night vision goggle on your helmet.

[@Valkyrien04]

@@gdspy if so i've not found a way to turn it on. usually you have the NVG button in the cockpit, but i haven't seen it, and tapping the side of the helmet just drops the visor

[@gdspy]

@@Valkyrien04 Tap the forehead of the helmet, not the side.

[@flightsimstuff5417]

I think what the dev has done with this is great! But just can't get into the hand-controller only idea.

[@DFX2KX]

Indeed. I found it's a 'love it or hate it' thing. It's alright for just flying around, but trying to hover (in the F45 and especially the AH94) or carrier traps it becomes extremely frustrating.

[@alanharrington]

Great video, just wish you could use rudder pedals with this game :-(

[@RedKiteRender]

You can!

[@alanharrington]

@@RedKiteRender it's obviously been a long time since I played this game, LOL

[@ahmontebetton1840]

That plane you saw it was a F-22

[@RedKiteRender]

None of the aircraft in Vtol VR are real, it's a mix of Hornet/Raptor and Eagle to my eyes.

[@DFX2KX]

It's the F/A-36, VTOLVR's F/A-18 analogue. The F-35 analogue is the F-45, which is a Delta-Canard remix of it, and the completely unique VTOL one I've never used. And then the AH-94 helo you see here.

[@Darrylx444]

Anyone tried out the HOTAS mod for this game? If it works well, then I might consider buying the game. NOTE: I don't own VR hand controllers, but do enjoy other VR flight sims.

[@charlies40556]

Wouldn’t work well hands are a integral part to half the game and kinda needed for the menus

[@currololo]

@@charlies40556 I play DCS using HOTAS to fly and touch controllers to activate buttons on the cockpit. I don't know why this feature can't be implemented in VTOL VR.

[@Darrylx444]

@@charlies40556 Have you tried it?

[@gdspy]

@@currololo The developer said in the FAQ: I don't think that there's a way to provide the level of interaction that I'm aiming for while using a HOTAS, especially with all of the cockpit systems like the MFDs and touch screens. Although it may be technically possible with a mouse, head pointing, or some combination of HOTAS and touch controls, it won't be without the clumsiness that I intended to move away from in the first place.

[@DFX2KX]

There is a mod for it. From my understanding, it works well enough, though I've not used it personally. You are stuck memorizing keybinds if you don't have enough buttons, though. Some aircraft, like the F-45 in particular, wouldn't translate well to. At some point I'll set up a magnetic base control setup to just combine best of both worlds, more consistent axis inputs of HOTAS lacking tracking ring issues, finger controls of VR controllers.

[@kangrupabsi8649]

rest the joystick controller on your knee. its not hard

[@acromatic0189]

Helicopter is not stealth. Would be cool though.

[@michaelwestmoreland2530]

REALLY hope they fix the control issues.

[@W4lkerWings]

Needs physical HOTAS support. I find my hands keep hitting the arms of my chair or my HOTAS when playing, so don't play it that often.

[@RedKiteRender]

I had that issue, but adjusting the stick/throttle positions got around it for me. Personally whilst it'd be a load easier to precisely fly, HOTAS support would be detrimental to the game.

[@charlies40556]

It doesn’t need HOTAS support it’s a VR game not a Flight Sim 2d game with VR support. The whole point is to use ur hands you can even move the HOTAS in game to ur liking like wtf stop asking for it

[@gdspy]

The developer said in the FAQ: I don't think that there's a way to provide the level of interaction that I'm aiming for while using a HOTAS, especially with all of the cockpit systems like the MFDs and touch screens. Although it may be technically possible with a mouse, head pointing, or some combination of HOTAS and touch controls, it won't be without the clumsiness that I intended to move away from in the first place.

[@DFX2KX]

@@charlies40556 Enough people have found physical inputs desirable that they made a mod for it. It add HOTAS into the game, buuuuut you need enough buttons to map *every* function, and there are quite a few (or you have to use both). You can move the virtual controls (to some extent), but it doesn't entirely fix the lack of spring tension or other physical feedback, or lack of precise tracking on the quest 2 in particular. The F45's throttle also can't be moved, which is a pain because it loves to loose tracking when I'm trying to catch a wire. And the AN-94's love of going nuts when I'm trying to hover and loose tracking while looking left....

[@andreaskavak2364]

this isnt a stealth helicopter

[@exiletsj2570]

Well it's not even a helicopter is it pal

[@andreaskavak2364]

@@exiletsj2570 it is

[@RedKiteRender]

It's a mix of the Comanche and Apache, and yes, whilst external pylons are not 'stealth' it's very much visually designed as such.

[@andreaskavak2364]

@@RedKiteRender fair enough

[@specoppo]

@@RedKiteRender take a look to the Bell 360 invictus

[@monostripezebras]

Oh flightsim Ytubers these days become more and more faceless representants..

[@RedKiteRender]

I'm curious why you think that.

[@Shinobi117]

Those dreadful vr controllers. I really hope one day they allow us to use a physical flight stick for better precision. But dont say this on the forums you'll get eaten alive.

[@gdspy]

The developer said in the FAQ: I don't think that there's a way to provide the level of interaction that I'm aiming for while using a HOTAS, especially with all of the cockpit systems like the MFDs and touch screens. Although it may be technically possible with a mouse, head pointing, or some combination of HOTAS and touch controls, it won't be without the clumsiness that I intended to move away from in the first place.

[@Shinobi117]

@@gdspy well that sucks. What's clumsy is how you fly the aircraft. I'll wait till they fix the hotas mod.

[@Shinobi117]

@Patridge I understand that but that child would never fly with precision as one would with a physical flight stick. I do find the vr controllers elegant in this game but they will never match the precision of a real flight stick.

[@DFX2KX]

@Patridge a child could use the controllers, but a child wouldn't likely be, I dunno, trying to actually USE the tail-hook... Or hover the helicopter.... Both of which lack of physical controls make far harder than they should be. I don't mind the limited buttons (aside from wishing I had more buttons on my Q2 controllers in general), but the axis input is less precise then the T16000's I threw in the trash for being worn out.

[@magnumx70]

No hotas support no game

[@DFX2KX]

The whole point was to use the VR controllers you already had to avoid the pile of keybinds you have in Flight Sims. or mouse-clicking. However from a precision/consistency standpoint it leaves a lot to be desired. It's not TOO bad when flying fixed-wing most of the time, but hovering, the Helo in general, and carrier landings make me want to pull my hair out.

[@mrnobodyinvr9762]

Using the Virtual stick sucks, and it killing the gameplay, the Twist function is ridiculously inaccurate, and the Switch to Thumbstick option doesnt work. Its too bad, the game looked great, but the control scheme sucks it.