VW Golf R vs GTI: Is the Golf R Worth $15k More?

[@thomass1891]

I like the way the front of Golf looks more however the Golf has better tires than the Golf but ultimately if I had to make a decision I would definitely choose the Golf.

[@GemmaDelayne]

they are both golfs

[@rc.obsession8207]

ImaGiraffe no shit Sherlock, it’s a joke.

[@johnvu6560]

So did you end up getting a Golf?...

[@zadraking]

Thomas, please try to stay in topic please.

[@fartingnipple]

Did you see the golf at the beggining...very pretty car

[@johnschellhase7469]

As a Golf R owner, there are a few nit picky things I would like to point out: 1) The Mk7.5 R has a 7 speed DSG vs. the 6 speed for the pre-facelift. 2) the fake sound on the interior is actually made my vibrating the windshield not by the speakers. Called the soundaktor, or sound actuator. 3) The “15k difference” is not fair. The Golf R has so many more standard features. A fair comparison is an Autobahn GTI vs a Golf R. that is only about a $5k difference which I think it well worth it. 4) realistic gas mileage is much better for the Golf R. (at least mine, even with a neuspeed chip). Average is about 28 with consistently highway and city driving. On purely city driving, it gets around 31-32 at about 70-75. 5) With performance of DSG vs manual, the time gap is much smaller than stated. Also PS: this isn’t me trying to be rude this is just things I noticed that are small that I wanted to point out or explain! As usual I enjoyed the video and I like seeing these comparisons. I upgraded from a mk6 GTI to the mk7 R and love it. There are days I wish I had the DSG due to the raw power of the R but the manual is still so enjoyable. I live in a winter climate too, so having the awd helps a ton.

[@MblCJluTEJlb]

And if need be, the soundaktor can be easily removed/disconnected or turned off via OBDEleven, since there's no way to turn it off from the infotainment system.

[@stephenhendricks103]

As noted in the comment above, I found the real world price of a GTI versus a Golf R was at least twice the $5000 difference you cited. Things may have changed since four months ago but I purchased a GTI for about $6000 less than MSRP and did not find a single dealer willing to sell an R for less than MSRP. As for feature comparisons, the appropriate trim comparison is between a GTI Autobahn and the Golf R. In that comparison the "standard feature" differences consist of AWD vs FWD, the R's digital cockpit, an extra gear in the R's DSG version, and a front end frown vs a smiley face. :)

[@timothygermann780]

Good comments but concerning price, the $37,000 Autobahn can be found on lots around me for less than $33,000 while the Golf R's price not only doesn't come down EVER, it often sells for a grand or two over MSRP so the real world difference between the R and the GTI is 10K and the difference to the S cited in the video is closer to $20,000. Furthermore, snow tires make more of a difference in winter than does AWD so the GTI with dedicated summer and Snow tires can do 90% of what the R can for tens of thousands less.

[@johnschellhase7469]

Timothy Germann you are correct about price. I forgot that the GTI is frequently marked down.

[@JustKieffer]

Timothy Germann and my Golf R with winters kicks ass. That extra $10K was well worth it. I threw a JB4 in and she’s pushing 340 hp. :)

[@kevink1595]

I’ve owned a 2007 GTI and a 2013 GTI Wolfsburg before getting my 2018 Golf R and all I can say is Golf R all the way!!! (All have been/are manuals)

[@basscubs]

Nyce. Had an 04’ now a 2014. Better job now, thinking about an R or a Prius. Lol

[@jmj267]

Michael that was a great review. Let's see how many thumbs up we can give Michael for that incredible weight loss you look awesome buddy.

[@anthonyc1883]

I hadn't noticed, but as someone who has lost a substantial amount of weight, my hat is off to him. I'll try to find an old video to compare.

[@m1kerophone]

Thanks for the support John!

[@stephenhendricks103]

MIke, good comparison. I think you're spot on in a number of points; I'd quibble with a few. First, price. I faced exactly this choice about 4 months ago in the Seattle area. Comparing six dealers in the area I found only one willing to offer the "R" at the $42, 000+ MSRP and that was for a single example that another customer had ordered but then refused on delivery. Every other dealer added a second sticker of $2000-$4000 to the MSRP price for "R's" on their lots. In contrast I was able to purchase a fully loaded GTI Autobahn/DSG edition in the color I wanted for $32,043 + TTL. That's a much closer apples to apples comparison between the two new vehicles than a lower trim GTI vs an "R". So the real world price difference, at least here in Seattle for similar trims, was a minimum of $10,000, or so, rather than $15,000. Still, it was a much greater difference than the oft-cited "few thousand dollar" difference between MSRP's. And if I had been willing to pay a "market adjustment" for the R the difference would have approached the $15,000 you noted. Second, build quality in Germany versus Mexico. I had a 2013 MK6 GTI, the last model built in Germany. Overall, I've found the 2018 GTI assembled in Mexico to be tighter, stronger, and overall a better built vehicle. I attribute that to the MQB-based architecture in the MK7.x version of the Golf. Over the first 6000 miles in my GTI I've had literally no rattles or fit/finish issues. I'm sure the R is just as solidly built but I can't imagine how it would be better. In short, Mexican robots are just as capable as German robots. Third, AWD vs FWD. If I lived in Minnesota rather than the Pacific NW this would be a bigger issue. And I'd readily admit that the "R" feels more "planted" than the GTI. But as you noted, VW's 4Motion AWD is a front wheel biased system. The rear wheels come into play only when the car detects front wheel slip. And for that AWD you pay a penalty of about 300 lbs, the weight of an NFL lineman sitting in the back seat of a GTI. No wonder the R feels more "planted" in normal driving. Furthermore, the weight penalty in the R comes into play in braking. The two cars have the same brakes (as of 2018). With identical tires, it's only logical that the GTI has an advantage in stopping distance and that advantage is also felt in handling on twisty roads. The GTI is simply more nimble in most driving situations. Fourth, tune-ability issues. Stock vs stock there's no question that the GTI is at a serious disadvantage. But a Stage One (APR) tune in the GTI provides essentially the same HP and torque as a stock R. Of course, an R can be tuned, as well, and the results are fairly amazing. But apart from performance at a dragstrip and bragging rights over beers, I simply don't see the point of a 400 HP Golf. And for less than $1000 an ECU flash and improved intake is a very inexpensive performance improvement and one I could use every day. YMMV, of course. Tune-ability also has consequences in terms of a DSG vs MT choices. When I added a Stage One tune to my MK6 GTI, the shop owner asked if I had a DSG or a manual transmission. When I told him it was a DSG he replied, "OK. Well we won't have to the 'talk' about replacing your clutch on a regular basis." He was right. Over 20K miles, I never encountered a problem with my transmission after the tune, from what I've seen among other owners, that's a common experience not shared by those with manual transmissions. Fifth, other GTI features vs R features. The "R's" digital cockpit is attractive eye candy. I wish my GTI had it. But, for me, it's not a big deal and from what I've seen, that difference will disappear with the 2019 model year. The "R" has a seven speed DSG vs the GTI's six speed unit. Whether that's an advantage is debatable, I think. Personally, I drive my GTI in manual mode most of the time and the six speed unit is easier to manage and more than adequate. The seven speed unit may improve the R's fuel efficiency a bit but otherwise I'm skeptical. Again, YMMV. On the GTI side, the standard sunroof was more than a minor deal for me. When you live in Seattle you can use all the light in the cabin you can get. The fact that the R doesn't offer it, even as an option, wasn't a deal breaker but it was a disappointment. Otherwise, differences in the features of the GTI Autobahn edition and the R amount to badging and whether you prefer a frown or a smile on the front fascia. So for me, at least, the $10,000+ difference in price between the GTI and the R was simply too much to ignore. But I wouldn't criticize anyone who makes the opposite choice. As noted above YMMV.

[@MrAruzz]

solid reasoning. good read

[@dougaugustine933]

Great post. You make a lot of good points. I actually would prefer a GTI minus a sunroof plus the better stereo. Guess you can't have it all...

[@muddysneakers77]

I live in the Seattle area (Snohomish) and am having the same issue deciding. I refuse to pay over MSRP for any brand vehicle. Which dealer did you end up going with that worked out that decent Out the door price for your fully loaded Autobahn?

[@stephenhendricks103]

@@muddysneakers77 Hi there. Try Auburn VW (in Auburn...duh) and speak to Austin Martin in sales. Feel free to use my name. Auburn VW has a policy of not putting a second sticker on their vehicles. Not sure what the availability of vehicles is at this point but I've dealt with this dealer and can recommend them highly. I'll leave this message until you respond before removing it.

[@andrewlizotte7483]

I have MK7 Golf R stage 1+ ECU and TCU tune. Unitronic says it has 375 hp.. I could care less what it actually has. The thing drives like a monster when I want it to. I daily drive it and it's been reliable for 40k miles already the past 2 years! Wouldn't have wanted the $100 less a month car payment for the GTI.. if you have the money it's totally worth it. If your unable to spend the little extra a month then yes the GTI is also a great car. My car did awesome in Connecticut during heavy snow with snow tires and also ran a 12.2 quarter mile down in Florida on a very hot night. Roasted a corvette! With an intercooler down pipe and stage 2+.. probably even more of an amazing car.. soon.. LOVE THE DSG!

[@AtomNic]

love it man, that's dope!

[@MrVara411]

Looking to get a 2018-9 model for that awesome warranty but that's precisely what makes me hesitate to do a tune...! :-/

[@john335i]

Owned a Golf R for 2 years, great car, super fun to drive, yes it’s a lot of money but there is a lot of performance. I like that it doesn’t stand out, total sleeper. Fit and finish in the car is very good. Stock with the DSG it’s 4.5 seconds 0-60. Tuned it’s down below 4 seconds, it is seriously fast and can seat 4 without a problem

[@MarcJentzsch]

One word can resolve this debate: PLAID. Thank you. That is all.

[@MFnDahk]

Because plaid is rad.

[@christopheroldham885]

Played

[@MidWesti]

wait.. is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[@JustinAbroad]

You can just swap the seats...

[@MarcJentzsch]

@@JustinAbroad Hey, it's how I console myself about not being able to afford an R. BUT...if I ever got hold of a well-priced R, I would get a bespoke company near me to put in plaid cloth inserts or something, yeah.

[@justordinaryeverydaylife7977]

Great review! I had the 08 GTi in the R32 days and every time I would see them I used to wish the Bosch ME9 2.0t came on them because that would have been a dream. You know for the AWD feature. The Golf R is a dream!! I will hope to own one, one day.

[@240fxst]

I just purchased a 2019 “R”. I sold my Hot hatch Ferrari FF because I wanted a more mature hatchback with a third aluminum pedal. Money was not a consideration when intrinsic values are applied. Thanks for sharing.

[@flopkin]

I own a GTI, I wish I could afford the R lol

[@Kiss__Kiss]

Mike, your content in this video was somewhat subjective, but the overall directive was spot on. Very mature in your approach, and delivery. Keep it up, young man. You are an asset to the TFL lineup, as I'm sure you've already heard. 🤓👍

[@numbereightyseven]

Of course it's subjective, you plonker. It's all just opinion. ... or are you from the US, where different opinions are wrong, and must be legislated against and violently suppressed.

[@t1328]

I’ve had both. I regret upgrading to the R. My wife now has the GTI, and I’ve moved on from the R to a Kia Stinger GT. But at the end of the day, the R (this was the 6 year DSG, so this may have changed) is tunes to require much more throttle than the GTI before it’s starts moving beyond snail’s pace. Sure once you squeeze that accelerator it’s insanely fast. But that speed just feels a lot less accessible unless you’re in Sports mode all day long. The GTI is just more fun even though its not as quick. Obviously this is purely one persons opinion. But I regret ever deciding to get the R.

[@divvish]

My GTI get around 32 mpg on highway driving at around 70-80 mph. If slower then more like 35 mpg. Ofc it's completely stock, but loving every bit of it.

[@AnEvilBigfoot]

The GTI’s looks get even better when you have the lighting package and performance package, also with performance package you get R brakes so that’s a plus too. Another bonus is that you can get a sun roof with the GTI, and you can still get the black leather option as well

[@Newbyrock23]

I absolutely love my Mk7 GTI. The DSG is so underrated it’s not even funny. I’ve always been a standard guy, but I was blown away by the DSG. Practical, sporty, fun, what’s not to love about the GTI......oh.... and did I mention how tunable they are?

[@MichaelBacon212]

I enjoyed this video a lot. But for almost 16k more, that's a lot of performance upgrades you can put into that GTI.

[@M_773]

But you'll never get AWD. 16k more than a golf + 1k of upgrades on a golf r and you are already faster than a GTI will ever be

[@Tigerex966]

i think the fastest golf on the nurburgring was a lightweight 6 speed manual fwd tuned gti, not r

[@RacesForTheChannel]

My apr stage 2+ 2018 DSG Golf R will destroy a Stage 2 GTI lol

[@gigi9467]

42k???? lol give a me camaro 1le and ill run circles around the track with it. 42k lol

[@Tigerex966]

@@RacesForTheChannel in a straight line But the lighter weight may actually help the hit on some road courses

[@DouvikasC]

Michael killed it in this review. Excellent job Michael!!! Keep it up! Also, the editing for all of the TFL channels has been absolutely outstanding! I enjoy all of the TFL channels.

[@topcarsautosales]

Love you reviews very professional presentations, job well done.

[@mmante78]

I’ve had my base 2017 MK7 GTI DSG now for 2 years and I love it. For the price it’s way better than the competition. I got mine for under $25k and I’ve made some upgrades, like a MAPerformance downpipe, Cobb catback exhaust, Cobb AP, k&n performance drop-in filter, MAPerformance ots stage 2 tune and a CTS billet dogbone. That’s about $2.5k upgrade and boy it sounds good and reliability/ performance is awesome.

[@tactical_potato81]

Really enjoyed this video man. It seems you and I both share a lot of points and counterpoints with both of these cars. I look forward to seeing some more of your independent videos like this man. Hopefully in the near future we can see some other actual live performance comparisons as well

[@ned8249]

Your under key approach to your reviews is really refreshing and nice. I always appreciate them.

[@gaycha6589]

I have had both, and am now in my second 7R. I'd take the R every time for our damp bumpy UK roads.

[@jamesbutler606]

it not annoy you that 2 in every 3 golfs on the road are the R!?

[@jackkirkpatrick2849]

Good video Michael. Thanks for not doing the Doug DeMuro thing anymore lol. Honestly, I think your car looks better but at the end of the day, more power is awesome! Keep up the good work. You're a great addition to the TFL Team.

[@kent570253]

I had the same debate for 2 years. I finally got the best of both worlds ( although slower) Golf Sportwagon, manual 4 motion.

[@DcoyMcoy]

Like the comparison video. I have been driving my R32 since 2004, love it and can't talk myself into getting a newer model.

[@wocaomade]

R32s are the best!

[@carguybd]

Well done. In my case I bought a loaded 10k mi. GTI Autobahn, Certified by VW corporate, so tires/brakes etc. were brand new. It was $17k+ under the price of a new R. For that chasm, it didn’t make sense. There just aren’t that many Certified used Rs out there, and the ones that are, are priced commensurately. I live in the snow belt, however a good set of Blizzaks got my Mk VI through anything, always. Ummmm, that Golf R in deep silver is mighty handsome. Elegant even. Every day I wish I had the R, but the GTI is suited to my use just fine. Wants vs needs, ultimately.

[@ciscohour5884]

Everyday I wish I had a GTI vs my Golf.

[@carguybd]

@@ciscohour5884 the Golf is no slouch. My kid had a MK VII and it was a hoot.

[@nikogeorgiafentis7450]

Finally someone who sides with the GTI over the R. Great Video

[@CPSLondon]

I ordered and R today and am so excited!

[@JordanMG-ym6pl]

Still got it? i can’t decide between gti or R

[@koston777]

People say 300lb difference is not much. But if you think about it, its 10% of over all weight or having a 300lb NFL linebacker with you all the time.

[@bertito43]

Awesome review! You’ve come a long way!

[@mrich7363]

Love this My first car ever was VW golf MK1 now I am have MK3 and Mk4 busy getting the MK6

[@patrickbroaders2828]

Girlfriend and I asked ourselves this exact question last month while shopping for a new "fun" daily for her and we walked into VW with intentions of purchasing a Golf R. After spending time in both the Golf R and GTI & before price even came into consideration, the GTI surprisingly became the clear winner. The GTI has a much more responsive and nimble/direct feel while zipping around during common daily driving scenarios. Cliche adjectives aside, It simply just felt more fun. The red stripe on the grill, red brake callipers and iconic GTI badge adds to the car's "fun factor" and lets people know that it is not just a normal Golf. Price was then added to the equation and to make a long story short, a DSG GTI now sits in our driveway.

[@jeffk464]

The smaller turbo allows it to spool up faster. You get better low end but loose power at higher rpm's.

[@ByteSizedSociety]

I like both, I've driven both and they're both bonkers. You can't go wrong, IMO.

[@kbk011]

Patrick Broaders I was agreeing with everything and saying smart man. Then you wrote dsg and I packed up my bags and left. Manual all the way.

[@patrickbroaders2828]

@ Nick Richards - I agree! I don't know why I waited this long to experience an MQB platform with the EA888 engine. VW have a winner on their hands here. "insert someone's until it breaks comment here"

[@patrickbroaders2828]

@kbk011 - haha sorry i've let you down but nah, not for a daily. Hours in traffic with a manual isn't all that fun. I have a weekend/track/autox car to satisfy my manual thirst. I am a manual fan all the way, but the DSG transmission is reeeeeaaallly good, I have to say.

[@ferdinand2506]

I decided to get the GTI, because of YOU Thanks mate

[@pt6134]

Could afford the R but went GTI. As a hard commuter I would rarely be able to squeeze the performance out of the R since the larger turbo takes longer to spool. The lighter GTI felt more nimble for the speeds I’m able to reach on an on-ramp before sitting in socal traffic.

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

Great video. I own a tuned GTI mk6 and love it. It could only be replaced by a Golf R for the added traction. I do, however, believe the spiritual predecessor for the Golf R is the Rallye Golf which was made in greater numbers than 71. It had flared fenders, the g60, and all wheel drive. The only reason I know is because I knew someone who owned a dark blue one and he let me drive it when I was in high school. I have wanted one ever since. This car never made it to the US, but could be imported today.

[@richarddemelo]

If you need AWD then get the R. I'm in snowy Canada so R all the way

[@seanmikhaels]

I have a 17 model and due to the slick tires and the low ride height , the AWD is pretty much useless in snow.

[@lfsracer79]

@@seanmikhaels Ever heard of winter tires?

[@seanmikhaels]

lfsracer79 yep ! If its that bad to need snow tires, I'll take my truck and leave the R home

[@richarddemelo]

@@seanmikhaels thanks for your insight. Question..is the ride height of the R same as a TTS ? Because I have a TTS and with snow tires it runs pretty in upto 8-10 inches of snow

[@stephanechamberland8486]

And 40 colors are available in Canada for the R !

[@drouxbag94]

He really made it a reason for saving 3 mpg

[@marcusdavila5437]

Even though the Golf R is a faster and more luxurious car than GTI, you also must consider insurance cost. The Golf R cost more to insure. Plus the overall cost of maintenance of the Haldex awd system and dsg is something to consider. On a day to day use of normal driving I think the GTI with a manual transmission is the most cost effective.

[@simeonbonev4111]

I'm debating which one to get. Coming from multiple Audi's and many Subarus naturally I want AWD...BUT the GTI has the heritage look. The plaid cloth seats, the red line in the bumper/headlights, the golf ball shaped manual shifter, the real hand break lever...It's just as overall package the better car for me I feel. Might need to get trie winter tires , but anyway I'm not going offroad and proper tires are more important than AWD I think. What keeps e away from pulling the trigger on a new GTI is the electronic LSD vs the Mechanical one in the 2017 Sport.

[@marcusdavila5437]

I currently own a 2016 Gti 2 door. It’s the base model (yes with the mechanical LSD) I’m very happy with it. My local dealer has been calling me nonstop to trade it in for a new model. I refuse to trade it in because the 2 door is a rare model. Only 15 and 16 models were 2 door. It keeps the heritage of the original Gti. Unless you live in Europe where you can get a 2 door club sport. Maybe later on I’ll purchase a Golf R but I will keep my Gti.

[@simeonbonev4111]

In the USA basic version 2016 and 2017 GTI (S Trip) don't come with any LCD ....

[@marcusdavila5437]

Simeon Bonev all GtI’s come with a limited slip differential. Performance packs come with an electronically bias LSD. On the performance model the inside wheel doesn’t break loose in a turn which gives better traction.

[@simeonbonev4111]

NO . Not all GTI's come with LSD ! Very easy to check. Floor it on a dirt rod if it spins wheels it doesn't have an LSD... Only the Performance Pack had it in 2015-2017 . 2018 all GTI's have electronic LSD which is different then the mechanical VAQ front limited-slip differential lock in the performance pack and in the 2017 GTI Sport (not the same like S trim). Read more here www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5538 . For 2019 VW is introducing the Rabbit brand name again as a special model and that one will also have the VAQ mechanical LSD newsroom.vw.com/company/history/welcome-back-rabbit/

[@SavvyTruth]

I have a 2015 GTI also, but I put a Borla on it, sounds better than a stock R now without being obnoxious. Have a few videos of it up, definitely worth the $750 bucks.

[@joeman123964]

but the thing is for me...yeah 25k for gti. 42k for golf r. that price tag of 42k can't be compared to gti anymore. that 42k brings the golf r to the next bracket of "what can i get for 42k?" golf r verses very nice audi, fast loaded mustang, i mean hell i saw a maserati on the lot used for 47k. gti is 25k and can be compared to others around the price range. 42k isn't worth the performance golf r offers. there are other cars way superior for the 42k price tag. golf r is my dream car, but i am just being honest. i think it's about status in the vw community over all

[@SGxShadow]

For me, it was about speed. If we are doing a fair comparison between new cars, you won't be able to find a brand new luxury car, with the same 0-60, for 42k. I know, I looked. Now if you want a used AMG (insert model) with 30-50k miles from 2-3 years ago, then sure. You got all those luxury features and the power. For me, I wanted a new car. I didn't, and still don't, want someone else problems. That's just me though. Too many bad experiences with used cars.

[@joeman123964]

@@SGxShadow yeah. fair enough i can respect that 👍

[@Spinal2111]

The GTI vs R price point isn't that much if they're similarly equipped. The autobahn version of the GTI here in Canada is only about $4k less than the R, and for that difference, its well worth it, and thats what sealed the deal for me to buy one. In addition to the AWD system, the engine & other components are built for the extra power which is reassuring if you want to add more power later on. I do wish we had the performance pack option though like in Europe for the R.

[@TheTubaMan2]

No doubt the weight hurts the city MPG, but a LOT of the fuel economy difference on the highway is gearing. I had a 2015 GTI and now a 2018 Golf R, both manual. Most of my commute is highway (probably 75%). I see about a 4 MPG difference. The R will run about 3k RPM at 75 MPH, which is way more than the GTI. The MPG trade-off is worth it to me for the much better 1-2 shift and of course the power.

[@alexkostoff4875]

Im going to comment before I've watched 3 seconds into this video. No item is worth 15k more. But I'll still going to buy the Golf R. Video concluded congrats.

[@alexjones9111]

super pleasing video. i’ve watched some of your other vids on your white gti (as id like one too!) and this video stands out in a great way. well done mate!

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

The Golf R DSG was very difficult to find in Southern California. There were a handful of them about a month ago and pretty much zero now. Buyers may have to wait for the 2019 MY to get one.

[@stephenhendricks103]

The supply/demand curve is the main reason. VW limited dealers to only as many R's as they had firm orders for in 2018. I suspect that was to avoid cannibalizing Audi sales. As I noted in my longer post, I found only one dealer (out of six) willing to sell an R for MSRP and that one car was sold within 24 hours to a buyer from 500 miles away. The other dealers had added $2000-$4000 "market adjustments" to the cars they had. Just checked Autotrader and they list zero new "R's" for sale within 500 miles of Seattle.

[@simeonbonev4111]

Whaatt MSAR for a VW ?!?? Who does that ? $35-$36 tops for R $19K for GTI S. $23 for GTI SE . jalopnik.com/you-can-finally-get-a-great-deal-on-a-volkswagen-golf-r-1792353073

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

Simeon Bonev As soon as you find an R DSG with a huge discount in Southern California let me know. Manuals can be had with these discounts. I didn’t want a manual.

[@stephenhendricks103]

@@simeonbonev4111 Uh....did you happen to notice the date on that article? Nearly two years ago.

[@bongofury3176]

I get 38mpg long term average in my APR1 R...there are actually quite a few differences in the engines. Forged internals good for 600bhp on the R...

[@Tony-Stank18]

The 7.5 R is 310 bhp in the uk. Plus it has the 7speed dsg. Over the 6speed in the mk7 R. Upgraded from the gti edition 35. The R is definitely a big upgrade.

[@TQDRUMMER07]

I really want a Golf R... I never thought I would buy a car that is that expensive, but when you think about it, its sort of like a budget Audi. I know the GTI would be good but there's just something about the Golf R to me that is really appealing to have as a daily driver.

[@kolourblind3124]

AndrewGaro the R is more practical because it’s a hatchback and still shares the same platform (mqb) as the Audi a3 and same drivetrain as the s3

[@Peter-mm4ot]

@@kolourblind3124 what?

[@kolourblind3124]

Pete Ng the golf shares the same chassis and drivetrain with an Audi A3

[@owenkett6708]

AndrewGaro do it!! We have both. My wife has my old mk7 gti and I just got a 7.5 R. The R is sooo much better in every way.

[@TQDRUMMER07]

Owen Kett yea? You really think its worth the price?

[@ferrarienzokl]

The Golf R is already being discounted by a lot of dealers. Some sell them for 36k when MSRP is 41-42k.

[@H2oToGoWH]

KGL Nero 46k here in Canada lol for a 2019

[@seanmikhaels]

Love the new presenter , great Comparison !

[@AgtX999]

The sound doesnt come through the speakers, it resonates through the windscreen, its still artificial but clever. Golf R has 310bhp. Golf R is already heavy, having the auto gearbox just adds more weight & its a lot more expensive.

[@CristianOrnelas602]

Loved this video! Very real very interactive, answered all my questions :) thank you! You earned a new subscriber

[@stareluigi6702]

We need more of this guy. He is the face of TFL.

[@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK]

Dude, that was a great comparison and review. Now I'm even more confused which one I want lol. I was leaning towards the R but knowing the motors are exactly the same makes me want to save 300 lbs and get 3 more mpg as it is my DD.

[@helenbaylis6837]

i had a '18 GTI loaner while I waited for R to arrive. In reality there is a big difference in the engines. The R is much smoother and can cruise at 1600-1800 revs (they are both high geared) without any grumbling and then rev to the moon. The GTI feels quite "booster which is nice for overtaking speeds and the R's power feels more linear but it pulls forever. GTI's front end is real fun in the corners. Swapped the R's Bridgestone's to Michelin 4s tyres which helped a lot. Get the R. I traded my Alfa Quadrifoglio for the R. No regrets

[@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK]

Great thanx

[@ScottOrd]

I really liked the comparison, and the facts you dropped about these hot hatches - even learned a few things! Thanks!

[@seanryan2666]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the mk4 r32 was 2004 not 2002. And the mk5 was 2008 not 2005. Accord the the US. And I rather have my golf r than the gti. The gti with an is38 stage 2 makes about 340 hp. The golf r stage2 is over 430hp and roughly 487 tq add in the awd to the mix. The golf r is a monster and well worth every dollar

[@opencarry3860]

My 2016 VW Golf S 2 door with stage 1 tune is 242hp, 285tq, with a sticker price of $20,830. I paid $16,550 for it new, so with 17 inch wheels, tune, suspension tweeks, tax and license, I paid just under $20,000 for mine total. 400 lbs lighter than the R I am right on it's butt for half the money.

[@Templar0311]

The gti is a heavy hitter for its price range which is why its so popular, but the r has a lot more competition at its price range. If your looking for speed an sti, 370z, stinger, or one of the US's big 3 all have more hp at around the same price range. If luxury is more important you can get a base model cadillac, lexis, or one of germany's big 3. Or if you want both you can get a used cts-v, is350f, or cla amg 45 that are both luxurious and have more hp for the same price.

[@98vwgolf]

I sold both my Tiguan and gli for a golf r. Best decision I made. Tuned to stage 2 and I'm happy as a clam

[@buildmorefarms1007]

I like the GLI

[@scottroberts5529]

Golf r takes the win for me wth the dsg and that launch control is amazing

[@toms_garage]

GTD gets 50mpg tho

[@oakkblackbird]

Still have and daily drive my 2004 Golf R32. I love it and would never trade it for any Golf Rs. Bonus is I do not see another R32 as much as I see Golf Rs on the roads.

[@JustinAbroad]

15k just for awd is worth it. But. If you Want golf r power without awd just at the turbo upgrade

[@derekhong3012]

Would love to have a Golf R someday, but for now im in love with my 15' GTI, best bang for your buck

[@joeman123964]

2015 is my dream car. been looking for a decent price. one day I'll get one lol been saving for a few years now. how is insurance and maintenance? i am gonna get one next year once i get my new job

[@TheSnickars]

Love my 2015, last of the 2 doors

[@brians2711]

I will never understand how someone can say they like the sound of a 4banger. I had a 2019 Mustang Ecoboost and spent big money upgrading the entire exhaust system, added a CAI and a much better Intercooler. PLUS i had it professionally tuned. Long story short, it still sounded awful. These little cars are alot of fun to drive. I only wish the manufacturers could figure out a way to make the exhaust sound better. Without using fake sounds coming from the speakers. I didn’t keep the Mustang long, and made a really nice profit from the upgrades.

[@joelm3954]

Tough call. Both cars have their rightful merits. If I had the money then likely it’ll be the R. However the GTI is no slouch at all. Those plaid seats are a MUST and the performance is pretty damn good as well. I live in San Francisco so AWD is not necessary. Like I said tough call, you can’t go wrong with either choice just a matter if you want....or can afford the price difference.

[@ligerten4668]

I love my GTI! I have had it since new 2009! Not one problem & its done 100020klm!!

[@klizmo]

In Europe the Golf MK7.5 R is 310HP and 380 NM from 0-100km/h 4.6s and you can actually feel the difference

[@jasonschwartz8507]

GTI's can be had well below MSRP (up to $8,000 off) while R's generally only go at most $2,000. Right now in some markets (such as in DC) you can get a 2018 GTI for under $21,000. Is the Golf R worth double the price of a GTI...NO WAY!!

[@007mikes]

Great video thanks for taking the time for making this, im a local colorado guy i believe im going wit the golf r

[@vaughandurful]

Needed mention is the Golf Rabbit GTI which gets some parts and pieces from the R.

[@brandodurham]

Both are a lot of fun, just depends on your aspirations. Mid 3 second 60 times are pretty common with the new R’s with not much modification. That’s supercar fast, with fun handling as well. Gti is a sweet daily, but an R can really be something special. Loving mine!

[@mattcody4933]

I just bought a 7.5 GTi manual and I love it! But when it is time to upgrade (5 year lease). I think I'll be trying out the four wheel drive and extra power of the R!

[@JeffSpehar-ov1cn]

Pretty sure they are going to stop making the R soon.

[@adriaan3454]

Found my new favourite channel!

[@almaadams3631]

Buy the GTI and a Wavetrac diff. and a 38 turbo and tune. The added weight and drive train loss of the R (not to mention weight) will be a better handling car for most enthusiasts.

[@dougn6295]

Great clarity! Well done

[@barryung8172]

Love your comparison from Down Under

[@Personalinfo404]

get a mk7 GTI, get it to stage 2 (2400$), and laugh at all the money you saved.

[@Nweran]

But will it be all wheel drive?

[@Personalinfo404]

@@Nweran not worth it. Just slap wider tires on the front.

[@ReviewedByAndy]

I think the GTI becomes an even better proposition in the lightly used market. I just bought a 2017 with 11k miles for under $20,000! The problem with the golf r is that imo most people should just save their money and buy a lightly used RS3. You can’t beat that 5 cylinder turbo.

[@davidkirby484]

TFL'S best review!

[@bitronic1]

Both r good in their own rights... Get an apr/unitronic tune and either will become crazy bang for the buck performance wise. Since I own a wrx as a winter car, I opted for the gti as I find it more nimble overall as well as greater value...

[@raymondarcher4816]

Great comparison. I’m loving my MK7 GTI with manual 6 speed, however the Golf R is still pretty cool.

[@jeezusgarcia4255]

If you compare the gti autobahn edition to a golf r the price isnt that much more imo. Not everyone wants a base gti. I almost got a 2017 autobahn gti 6mt but decided to just get an R instead for the price. Compare the premium gti to the premium Golf r to make a better comparison. Just my 2 cents. Good video regardless.

[@coopsnz1]

Down under the base model in 2019 is a gti performance (180kw ) $47,000aud but only DSG , golf R only DSG is $10000aud more $57000aud = $7500usd price difference . Taxes on our retail prices is 10% gst , 5% tariffs , if car is above $67000aud its slugged with 33% luxury car tax aswell , unlike the states no taxes on retail price

[@blitzbbffl]

Great review and presentation skills!

[@daltonharrison681]

Great video man. Considering either one right now but definitely leaning towards the R

[@natalie2070]

If the $15,000 was just for the performance upgrades I would say get the GTI but it has all the upgrades the GTI gets in the higher trims and things the GTI never gets. I for one really love that gauge cluster in the R. I do like the plaid seats in the GTI but it isn't worth the tradeoff in other things. In my search for what will replace my current vehicle I am considering the Golf R. I'm a year out though so we shall see, maybe the GTI will have the cool upgraded gauges and it will end up being a non issue.

[@solen1849]

I get 40 mpg all day in my GTI, In the winter it's a bit lower, 35 mpg And the golf r gets more than a turbo, it has bigger injectors, forged rods and pistons, other youtube channels say it is good up to 600 hp with the dsg (manual needs a bigger clutch )

[@stephenhendricks103]

You should share your secret as to how you can always drive downhill. I'm a very experienced "light footed" driver when I choose to be and I can squeeze about 35mpg out of my GTI on long, flat freeway slogs with no stops.

[@devonhorne1992]

Totally true! Lot more going on than a bigger turbo and AWD. Also has a bigger intercooler and the brakes are bigger as well. In some markets to can get a brake upgrade on the GTI but for me im canada thats not a dealer option.

[@stephenhendricks103]

Devon Horne: Same brakes on the GTI Autobahn as the R.

[@Tigerex966]

what brand gas do you use any additives, oil brand, have you modded your car in anyway, are you using summer or winter tires, what is your elevation and where do you drive city/hwy/stop and go. Thats the type of mileage I got in my civic is, but only if I really tried too. normally I got low to mid thirty's on the freeway and low to mid twenties in the city, for a 26-29 average. My highest ever was just over 40 for one tank trying really hard mostly 60 Keeping rooms under 3500 in a 8200 rpm car which was not easy not bad for a 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, non turbo vtec 200 horsepower great handling, reliable daily. Surprised at your newer gti mileage still, you definitely got an ace engine , sometimes that just happens.

[@ajcip_poo]

solen 1 that’s amazing mpg, i get 34-36mpg, happy with it, but i still hope i can get my car that efficient. Are u tuned?

[@snoopwing1]

Yes you nailed it from scratch till the end !

[@xmlviking]

All wheel drive. You just can beat that hookup. I LOVE LOVE my Golf R. Leather seats :) I have spent more then 15k on my Golf R after I purchased it so yeah....lol your going to do that anyway.

[@LordHolley]

Nice video dude!

[@rreichar1]

Nice video. Like you, I bought a GTI. It’s a 2017 SE manual. What’s different is that I was shopping for a Golf R when I bought it. My SE with leather and the Fender audio was under 26K. The Golf R I was shopping was a DSG for about 43K. There was actually a slight markup for the R at that time. The GTI was discounted around 4-5K. I don’t remember the exact MSRP but it was a good discount. In the end I couldn’t say the experience of driving them was enough different to justify the price. I feel like I got 90% of the car for 60% of the price. So I guess it depends on how much that last 10% is worth to you. I ended up buying a GLI for my wife at the same time and the total for both cars wasn’t much more than the Golf R alone. That helped put it in perspective for me. I would still consider buying a Golf R. I love the car. I prefer the classy, sleeper look. But I doubt that I’ll ever pull the trigger. Just can’t quite justify it.

[@glubibobi]

Plus you can get a stage 1 or 1+ tune for the mk7 and have close to the power of the R. Sure, it's not AWD so you wont have the traction but its a better bang for your buck in my opinion. I would only buy the R and I had the extra cash to blow. With the difference winter tires makes, I don't see a true need to the AWD unless you enjoy snow drifting which is great.

[@MblCJluTEJlb]

Ditto. And if you get good tires, your traction will be great. I replaced the stock Pirellis on my GTI with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+, and the traction has been amazing for the past 20k+ miles (I have a very spirited driving style). Also, getting an OBDEleven dongle helps remove certain torque limiters that kick in at high torque to get rid of the wheel hop. Agree with all your points.

[@drtyboy]

Manual always!! Because anything with paddles feels like I'm just makin a margarita in a blender.

[@hungrychowhound11612]

Great video. I liked it. I too would consider my options at the time. Long story short looked at a low mileage mk5 R32 I know not the same car, but the cool factor was there. They had an mk6 gti dsg slightly higher, after some quick research and consideration we went with the gti, for practical reasons. I mentioned to my wife I would like a type r, well let's say the gti will around for a little while. And I was warned not to even consider trading in her 12 cc. So I'll just have to watch videos on this subject. Not complaining at all. Very happy with gti, just wish it was a Golf R some times. Cheers.

[@stevesynan3910]

GTI with a stage 1 tune and your'e set. Of course an R with a stage 1 tune will crush it, but we don't have to think about that.

[@jonlipton9079]

The AWD system isn’t really all wheel drive. It drives in Front wheel drive until it senses the some slip and then will add power to the rear wheels up to 50%

[@christophertrueman6701]

That's exactly what AWD is; a front or rear biased performance feature that can send power to the non biased wheels.

[@jonlipton9079]

The VW AWD system is front wheel drive until it senses slip. The Subaru AWD system is constantly moving all 4 wheels. And then torque vectors to the wheels when neeed

[@christophertrueman6701]

@@jonlipton9079 that's because it's symmetrical. most vehicles on the global market are not symmetrical based.

[@ck2503]

And a resounding YES was heard across the land.

[@Guvb235]

GTI all day, though the price difference between the two here in Australia is a lot less. GTI is more involving and has more character than the R.

[@DavidTapster]

In the UK it's like a £3000 difference! Well worth it, adding 4 wheel drive and 310hp.